Walksnail Avatar The Truth

[@AndyRCchannel]

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[@matejpevec]

FatShark’s repair service is as good as ever - the only problem is that for EU their repair centre is in the UK, so there are quite some logistic issues (due to brexit). In the end they sent me the broken parts for free and I installed them myself to avoid unnecessary customs or anything like that, but they are indeed super friendly!

[@robertogden5239]

I have bad eyesight can you fit persciption lens in the googles or can the DJI insert I already have fit ?

[@AndyRCchannel]

No you can't do that. Only adjust the prescription using the built in dipper adjustment

[@BBFPV]

Are your sure the Streaming Codec is H264/h265? I Think this is only the DVR. For streaming is it a high custom Codec?

[@BowserMG]

I think you deserve a bit more credit for your news about the Caddx and DJI breakup. It was an eye opener. I think I will look to your channel about Walksnail new from now on, less BS and speculation.

[@imager09tube]

Welcome back my friend, very glad you are here!

[@AndyRCchannel]

Thank you

[@EnglishTurbines]

I ordered the VRX and VTX camera package, at £200 it would be rude not to...Yes, DJI are so arrogant, but the iphone lovers can't see it....I think Walksnail is the future, DJI hate the FPV community. We ain't their main business model...😳😳😏🇬🇧

[@mihavuk]

Now that is what you can call informative video. In 20 minutes you provided more information than everyone else in a month with numerous videos. 👍👌 Thank you very much Andy.

[@AndyRCchannel]

that was my goal thank you :)

[@tonhabraken9339]

Totally agree!

[@SCFPV]

It hard for the other guys to do a quick video, when they spend most of the time trying to make it sound better than what it really is. I can't tell you how much money I've wasted on the next big greatest thing, heavily pushed by a certain learn something today youtuber, just to find out its garbage. Andy is the real deal.

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@SCFPV I try my best thank you

[@Alexandr.9999]

@@SCFPV Russian KZbin is the same that a non-blogger praises the advertised shit so much, there is one channel. my friends even have an expression "top fat should be taken" like another junk ahahh. but the war changed what :( .sibiria

[@GeorgeCooper_LoneWolf]

Extremely informative Andy it's bloody obvious how much work went into this video👍👍👍 However as you said right at the beginning it's a work in progress and they're not quite there yet, and seeing as the DJI system is bloody amazing there's no way I would be switching.

[@AndyRCchannel]

yes its taken about a week to make and I havent slept for the last day so time for some sleep haha. Cheers George.

[@deadmoo83]

I was getting so frustrated trying to scrape up every little morsel of info. I should have saved myself the stress and just waited for this video.

[@traxfpv]

I thank you for your closing remarks. It IS an amazing time to be in FPV. For people like us that have been building and flying FPV for years and years, we have so many amazing options now and a lot of new pilots just don't appreciate what they have lol!

[@cyberflightfpv4184]

As much as i want to upgrade to digital, it just seems like a such volatile pissing match right now with sub par results.

[@bwonline5725]

What proof do you have that the DJI v3’s won’t be backwards compatible? Is that speculative? You state it as fact in the video and I’d like to hear/see the proof if possible.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Caddx saw the dji 03 system and at the time they said they were not gonna be backwards compatible with vistas and caddx only makes profit from the cameras they make for dji and saw no future for the vista and then working with dji in the long run as the new 03 is a bespoke camera by dji with no options for caddx or runcam to make cameras for them ..however what iv now been told is that it is possible they have delayed the release so that it does to try and wipe out walksnail. We won't know now till it is released but when this video came out it was a true fact. Caddx still think they won't be backwards compatible and will discontinue them because it will affect the sales of the new system. And the vistas and air units need 120hz refresh rate... the new goggles are 100hz so they would need a new firmware for the units. No doubt lock up some features while they are at it. They didn't take too kind to the DJI drone having it's power output hacked for Europe and I'm sure with remote I'd coming the restrictions will be even tighter

[@Mgm_Designs]

This is why I haven't flown fpv since 2016, cause my last goggles just up and died in me and I gave up after numerous attempts of trying to fix them. I want to know the next time I spend $600< on a system that it will last a very long time and good customer support. Even now it seems DJI is trying to control everything, I hope WalkSnail takes the stage as a competitive platform for fpv

[@xymaryai8283]

after loosing my display cable for my monitor and instead having to use a basic one, i can assure you that 120hz is a very meaningful improvement. not just for latency, and not just for smoothness, but for clarity. coupled with fast pixel response times, like OLED displays can, it can dramatically improve your information about how the drone is moving in short periods of time.

[@adilsongoliveira]

HD FPV is beautifull but it's expensive as heck and, until there's compatibility between different manufacturers the same way we have with analog, I'm not moving to digital.

[@rcrdps8144]

As always, extremely detailed. Especially liked the encoder talk. From a quick look, I had originally thought that the basically double compression of of h265 would perfectly match the double pixels of 1080p. But then there's the processing and latency,... Keeping my eye on these goggles. Pretty skeptical about the new DJI stuff. Maybe by the holidays.

[@JohnCuppi]

3:35 hit the nail on the head! trust is everything! had this product release been approached differently, with care to answering some of more burning technical questions people had, even with the system as-is, the response to it would have been much different.

[@Melpandi]

So better dji or walksnail??

[@ojkolsrud1]

I think you're too underappreciated by the community, Andy. I've always thought you're one of the best and most honest of the reviewers out there! Keep it up! Would you recommend going with Fatshark or Walksnail, by the way?

[@AndyRCchannel]

Thank you. personally I'd go with walksnail. But that's because I'm based in the uk and the fatshark repair centre has been shut down so it's a quicker turn around for me to send direct to walksnail if there is an issue. If you are closer to a fatshark repair centre it might make more sense to go fatshark. But currently if the problem is with walksnail and not the goggle part you send the goggles to fatshark and then they send them to walksnail which would mean a lot longer waiting times. That should change so farshark can repair the walksnail part eventuallt but I don't know when. U get antennas with the walksnail which I like and despite people saying they are no good... They are working nice for me. So the answer is.. it depends on where you live

[@ojkolsrud1]

@@AndyRCchannel Cheers, man! I live in Norway, and my main vendor is Elefun, which I *think* only sells Fatshark goggles (and Walksnail VTX). I'd definitely buy directly off of them, and I guess I'd send it to them for repairs. They would then probably send it to the nearest FS repair centre. But, are you saying that there's no other difference to them than the repair options? What about firmware updates, will they too be exactly the same? Thanks again for your work, Andy.

[@tranceonline]

Regarding FPS an Human Eye can see: 1. Most real studies have shown that the max Hz of humans are different from person to person and that the upper limit for most humans is around 230 to 250 hz !!!! 2. There is a HUGE difference between 60 hz and 144 hz. Almost everyone can see the difference. It just feels smoother and sometimes even better in image quality 3. Linus tech tips did a test with pro gamers, avarage PC users and PC noobs to see if they can see differences between 60, 144 and 240 hz and other refresh rates. It shows that more Hz gives an advantage. Yes because of latency BUT if human eye couldn SEE that shorter latency, why even have a shorter latency at all? The thing is, as TV came with 24 fps, everybody said that a human cant see more than 24fps, which is BS. Than 60 hz became standart and everybody said "we cant see more than 60 hz" which is BS too! Now when we have the technology to have 240 hz any even more, we can REALLY test what the human eye can see. I mean, just have a 144 hz and a 60 hz display side by side, like me, and move the mouse or an open folder. you can clearly see that its more fluid. And this is not about latency at all! Its just more fluid!

[@LyroLife]

Every tech guy knows that

[@MrIndyjonescj]

I've noticed Companies such as Fatshark, Skyzone, Hd zero and others is that they seem to put out products that are not ready for release, prematurely. This leaves us (the consumer) to purchase inferior products as guinea pigs or unsuspecting beta testers only to have a very expensive video system totally discontinued or changed to the point that we regret purchasing the item. These companies are feeding off of die hard enthusiast to fund their R&D. I've now learned to wait a while. However, as quick as things change in FPV, there's no way to keep up unless you are very wealthy. Thanks for your information and honesty. Have a great day!

[@KoelAnderson]

Keep up the awesome content Andy! :)

[@AndyRCchannel]

thanks so much Koel

[@letsthinkaboutit7859]

I would like to ask you regarding the refresh rate: don't you think that it might change the pixel persistence time? There are good videos explaining why OLD crt's can show less blurry pictures when showing moving objects in comparison to LCD and similar screens. I can understand that the latency would be in the worst case 1/60s when using 60 Hz. But if the image processing uses a pipe for processing that might also increase the latency above the time 1/frequency. I would be also interested if there is any mechanism used to reduce blur caused by the pixel persistence. Thank you very much for your videos!

[@AndyRCchannel]

Unfortunately as fatshark make the goggles and I have no contact with them. I can't obtain that information but is definitely food for thought. The only reason I bring it up is that people have tested the latency and the goggles are reporting the lower latency then real-world tests

[@SickocrowAU]

Wonder what the likely hood of a good diopter solution? DJI googles are solid for me because of the diopter support (Astigmatism).

[@AndyRCchannel]

Best to try some. I have astigmatism but the view is fine for me

[@IshamPadron]

How did Cadxx/Walksnail develop this so fast and why did someone find code in the new DJI system called Avata? It took DJI many iterations to come to the current system we have now.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Avata not avatar. They didn't develop it fast.

[@eXi1981]

Because i got my Walksnail Systems I had some questions to walksnail and their answer was that their Walksnail (not Fatsharks) googles can 6S. But i still worry about, because in the googles description they say 5S. Either Walksnail or Fatshark googles, there do not excist safety data sheets or technical data sheets. Because of this makes this whole situation pretty weird to me.

[@AndyRCchannel]

They are 5s. I think all this 5s 6s nonsense comes from the fact that the vtx is 6s and it's getting lost with the Chinese translation

[@eXi1981]

@@AndyRCchannel I know exactly what you mean, thats why i asked walksnail. So i got the answer of the Walksnail support, that the googles can use 6S. So i asked them again because in their description they say straight at the googles 5S. But i did not received an answer yet.

[@eXi1981]

infact is that many online stores set their description wrong in my opinion. Many of them say 6S, some of them 5S, but on walksnails original website they say straight at the googles 5S. I really do not wanna frie my googles just to test it out XD. As i said, there also do not excist any safety data sheets or technical data sheets in pdf or something else information of Walksnail or the Fatshark googles. But Walksnail support really said 6S (25.2Volts) not just 5S (21 Volts) Best regards from germany my friend

[@eXi1981]

that fact really confuses me

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@eXi1981 it's 5s. Their supports english needs work

[@pheargoth]

Awesome video Andy. Very clear. I really think the WalkShark/FatSnail system is going to be excellent. I love how rapidly the updates are coming out. They really seem to care what the community thinks and features they want too. I love my DJI Air Unit and Caddx vista drones (I happen to have an abundance of vistas) but I f**king HATE DJI as a company. I've been eagerly awaiting a viable competitor for years and I think it's finally here.

[@bugsy742]

Same mate 👍🤝

[@MrMartinRome]

Thanks Andy, very interesting information. I am sticking with DJI but it is good to get your take on what’s going on.

[@petebuttons210]

Thanks!

[@AndyRCchannel]

thank you :)

[@dronefilmsgermany]

I am a bit confused, if I get a walk snail googles then I can buy and HD whoop, 5 inch, cinewhoop from bangood and bind it with walk snail right? or do I only need to buy quads which have walk snail mentioned on them? Please excuse me being so naive.

[@McLogo76]

Thanks for this very informative video. I‘m just getting back into FPV after 2 years and should get my Walksnail tomorrow. I think it‘s great to have a variety of systems and it hopefully also pushes companies to do more that the FPV community wants.

[@AndyRCchannel]

i hope so too. Enjoy

[@mihavuk]

Thank you very much Andy.

[@AndyRCchannel]

thanks so much

[@audiogek]

Can't find it now, but I've watched a video explaining why h265 can actually be worse than h264 in certain scenarios. Was a test with noise patterns, not really a real life problem he said. But if you consider that grass is basically a large noise pattern, it could explain the fuzzy grass problem. Personally I never use h265 because storage and bandwidth was never a problem, cpu does become a problem with H265 and is also much more expensive to upgrade compared to storage. So it really only makes sense for streaming, but on the other hand, in most of the world bandwidth isn't really a problem. Hope I can find that video, thought it was quite interesting. And thanks for your always honest and thorough videos.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Its starting to look really good with the latest firmware. at least in my experience. Bandwidth is a problem for FPV

[@billyocean9236]

Walksnail needs to implement some type of focus mode that focuses more on the center.

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@billyocean9236 I never use focus mode myself. Find it very distracting but despite that. It is being worked on

[@jejefpv]

Thanks for clearing the warrantly blur. Do you have any source to assume new DJI Goggles won't be backward compatible ? I have heard rumors that, for a change, there might be backward compatibility this time, but it is just hearsay.

[@AndyRCchannel]

That's because making up rumours and speculating get clicks. count how many times "we don't know" gets said the next time u watch one of those videos. and then count how many times I said that in this video. One of the reasons the walkanail system was born is because they knew the v3 wasn't gonna work with current air units.and vistas.

[@jejefpv]

​@@AndyRCchannel Sorry, I just wanted to be sure, it sounded like a checked fact when you said it. Did WalkSnail tell you so and are they 100% sure about that statement ? I actually haven't heard this "rumor" from a click bait review. It was a discrete comment from a very serious french reviewer saying that "DJI confirmed to him, off the record, that some efforts will be done towards backward compatibility". I agree it is not accurate, it doesn't mean current AU or Vistas will be compatible, but it gives hope ;)

[@billyocean9236]

Why would that make any sense? Dji would make less money if they make them backwards compatible. Those units are already sold. Unfortunately, that would be a poor business decision. Though wishers will be wishers and dreamers will be dreamers. Good luck with that my guy. Hope and wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which one fills up first. Would be nice if it was the other way around.

[@jejefpv]

@@billyocean9236 On the opposit, that would be making good sense. It would help v1 and v2 owners to move to new Goggles because they would still be able to fly all their quads and update slowly their VTX. Especially now that WalkSnail offers an alternative. Not making them backward compatible would just push pilots towards WalkSnail, and DJI might end up losing some customers. I think they would actually sell more new Goggles if they were backward compatible.

[@schael24]

Hey Andy did you have a link about the Recorder/Monitor at 18:49‘ ? Thank you for answering 😉

[@chritx0606]

One question: is it possible for you to leave your glasses on with the walksnail goggles? If so is it still comfortable? Or do you use contact lenses? Thanks in advance!

[@spinderkfpv3169]

Hello, the video is very well explained, even so I would like your personal opinion if you currently had to choose a digital system, which one would you choose according to your experience, dji or walk snail, thanks.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Can't say right now. If they stop making vistas and air units it's gonna be hard to reccomended it. Only the future will tell but everything is a risk at the moment.. apart from hdzero

[@KhoPhi]

This is the best video I've seen on this whole walksnail thing. I truly dislike the idea of creators/pilots comparing a less than 6 month vtx video feed with something that's been out on the market for years. Funny enough, the avatar hd has seen more updates and significant improvements in its short lifespan so far than the other has seen in its entire 2-3 years span. I'm fully switching to avatar hd, because as long as the hardware is rock solid, the software improvements is only a matter of time. I so badly wanna be DJI-free in the next year or two. Finally a relief.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Thanks for the nice feedback and watching

[@gandaulf_fpv6925]

Thank you Andy. Good to see you.

[@miquelmarti6537]

I also love Vox amps with blue alnico speakers. Very good info in this video.

[@SCFPV]

I'm heavily invested in the DJI Fpv system, V1 & V2 goggles, along with 5 Vista's, and 4 AU's. I will continue to use it for now, but once the units start failing, I will migrate away to something else. I'm just about tired of the HD fpv debacle. All these systems popping up, then disappearing after people invest a ton of money in them. Very irritating, and beginning to be not really worth the headache anymore. I don't have this issue with analog, and it's cheaper, readily available, and not nearly as expensive. Matter of fact, I'm just about done with fpv. As always Andy, great very informative video, Thanks!

[@califpv]

✌🏼

[@moesotaku]

its dji. you should have see it coming. how did you think hdzero become famous

[@AcruxFPV]

I completely applaud your sentiment. I've researched FPV for many months, hundreds of hours and literally over $10k on "the best gear" according to "affluencers" that has repeatedly come up short and has made me rethink this FPV pursuit more frequently than I'd have liked. It is VERY apparent that FPV has become factional, and frankly I'm getting pretty tired of the sales pitches, the contoversies and the specualtions, the fads that come and go, the changing of minds....I could go on forever. Thank you @AndyRC for making it clear and for your independently-minded reviews and honesty. At the end of the day, I just want to fly...

[@bugsy742]

@@moesotaku 👍👍👍

[@abertheham]

Y’all new here? Welcome to FPV, *an ongoing expense.* Been obsessed with pretending to be a bird since 2016, and it’s been this way the whole time. Product development doesn’t end. It cycles rapidly and gets better, which comes at a cost. But the tech advancing is a good thing; competition in the HD market is a good thing. It’s sort of comical how worked up some of you get when DJI does what the rest of us knew they would do (because it’s what they’ve literally always done). As Andy put it: “that’s their business model.” Like, I get it, FPV isn’t free. But it’s a hobby, and as hobbies go, it’s actually pretty reasonably priced - just look into cars or golf, or boating, or traveling, or photography sometime. To my mind, hobbies are, by definition, luxuries intended to be relegated to disposable-income-only. If it’s not a hobby, then it’s a business expense, in which case you absolutely need to be considering these things as overhead and have no excuse for being caught off-guard by DJI’s entirely predictable business move. If you put yourself in a place of financial strain, I can only conclude it’s because you either didn’t appropriately consider your means, or you didn’t think it was enough money to justify the time needed to learn before handing over your hard-earned cash. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve got a couple thousand into DJI too. I wish it was going to last forever too. But it’s been 2 years, and I knew it wouldn’t. I’ll get some more time out of what’s around, enjoy the shit out of it, send it and break it. Then I’ll move on. If you can’t or won’t do the same, that’s fine too. It just means FPV might not be the hobby for you.

[@bobwyattfpv9847]

Super Thanks! This was definitely worth the wait. I’ve watched so many vids and vlogs that they contradict each other but this lays it straight. I’m currently dji and vista but am interested to see what happens in the future. All the best.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Me too thanks for watching Bob

[@AerialWaviator]

Great overview of what 'we' know today. Exciting message at 20:42. This an important point lost on some, 'we' have choices. :)

[@Melpandi]

what frame can be used to mount the vtx walknail?

[@AndyRCchannel]

Any. If your frame has 25 x25 mounting holes it will screw into that. I 3d printed a mount for mine. Some people simply taping it and or using zip ties

[@bushcrafter6416]

Still in development, But want top tier price, They can keep em.

[@pofotiouzois]

Does the vtx transmit audio back to the goggles? thank you

[@squaddingquads]

Thanks for this Andy, the WS system currently just seems so half baked currently

[@ethrrr]

The thing about codecs was really interesting! Great video!

[@AliBFPV]

No fatshark uk repair centre anymore. Gets directed to America which takes like a week even for a response. It’s terrible

[@AndyRCchannel]

thats what I suspected

[@shapethefuturetech6005]

The walksnail team's main engineers comes from dji, so they had a tight relationship before, and now they have became enimies.

[@crazicat]

Awesome delivery of the important info with a positive attitude. Thank you so much for this and for staying out of the rumer mill muck.

[@hojiqabait]

You've killed all other reviewers bs. You're the man! 👊

[@AndyRCchannel]

Thanks for watching

[@aaronbrenneman6266]

Thanks for all you do for the Community Andy. Always nice to see dedication to the Hobby. From across the pond....

[@hrhodes2768]

if I ever go digital I may go with the walksnail because I don't like dji

[@snydher]

Nice review Andy, thanks! I have V1 DJI googles, controller and air unit. This is the first time I considere to change my setup. Nice time for the 'FPV scene'

[@AndyRCchannel]

yes very interesting times

[@TheEviling]

Gotta say i'm quite worried about Cadex and DJI parting ways on the air unit/vistas, this system is still way too young for me to replace with a new system. Hopefully there will still be air units to get for the v1 goggles.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Yes that Is something to worry about with DJI v3 round the corner.... hence the birth of this system

[@paulbizard3493]

Down with DJI ! Open HD rules ! Lol, the digital scene is not settled yet.

[@yoann_m491]

8:49 Just as an intersting addition: Everyone is sheding light on the HDO2, but little know that Fatshark released the attitude V6 one year later. They feature an evolution of the lens adjustment system (that is actually the one that equips the DominatorHD/Avata now) and are similar in many ways to the HDO2 (even the mainboard got 'HDO2 v1.xx' label) apart from the displays, wich are regular LCDs instead of expensive OLEDs. They could even have trimmed the volume of the goggles, as the Attitude's display modules are way shorter than the Oled modules, it results in an case shell that is mostly empty, lmao. They were aimed to be a less expensive alternative to the HDO2. So people wanting to jump on the Sharkbyte HD system without a prior headset (or one w/o hdmi) would not have to pay the 500€ HDOled tax.

[@AndyRCchannel]

If only they hadn't ditched HDzero and continued to support both. They would have not lost so much respect

[@JD-FPV]

I thought the atti v6 were LCOS instead of LCD? with a non-direct optic

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@JD-FPV yes I think the were lcos. All of my lcos goggles developed holes in the polorization optics. Never had fatshark ones though.

[@JD-FPV]

@@AndyRCchannel the lost a LOT of their community respect with the multiple direction changes, and the way they were so coy about the details on this product. Their last 2 launches (Bytefrost, and this one) both have seemed very 'knee-jerk reaction' rather than thought out. Both had a feeling of "quick do something, anything". I'm super happy with where HDZero has gotten to now, but it was touch an go for a bit, and I would have thought a brand name as a launch partner should have helped, but I think they (fatshark) almost did more harm than good, yet to be seen how much help they ultimately are for walksnail

[@Maorifpv]

What’s going to happen with people like that still have goggles v1?

[@AndyRCchannel]

Vistas and air units will still work providing you can still get them

[@pli3rs]

How'd you record the betaflight OSD?

[@AndyRCchannel]

Using the HDMI out to a monitor with built in recorder

[@greatquotestoliveby]

The only thing is that dji will continue pushing the limits making everything else, including their own previous systems, look outdated.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Assuming it can interact with betaflight and is affordable considering it's looking like it's using the action 2 which costs 500 dollars on it's own

[@radtech6576]

for the price of the Walksnail, I would expect a better product. DJI just works and does it well, and by the way, the Goggles 2 will be reverse compatible by December, this was just announced!

[@MadDragon75]

As far as the Fat Shark Dominator becoming bricked, Joshua Bardwell had just recently made a walkthrough on how to fix it. You might want to watch that because there is a lot of waiting and people can get impatient..... So you might want to watch him actually unbrick them before attempting to do it yourself.

[@AndyRCchannel]

I am aware of this, as I said there are a lot of brittle ribbon cables in there that only take a small bend when removing from the tape and the goggles are done for as well as your warranty. Id rather wait. But I understand people having a go themselves and that's totally up to them

[@MadDragon75]

@@AndyRCchannel yeah I'm one of those people that like to do it myself. This is why after I watched him do it and realized what it involved I decided it's probably best to urge people to watch it done first. It might scare them away from opening it up in the first place. I'm experienced and I would have been nervous.

[@RCRitterFPV]

but will the new Airunits work with V2 DJI goggles ? I've seen the DVR and it looked pretty good, Better with the OLED under ideal conditions. I didn't fly it, I did't see the moving blob. it was on a Beta Firmware before the 50mb. really liked the Goggles, so much smaller, lighter, better fit and those Screens... big Fan. but stll seems Beta... If I was starting now... and felt like being a early adapotor... I'd go Walksnail. if I want "It just works"... go DJI Apple = DJI android = Walksnail. Linux = HDzero

[@AndyRCchannel]

no they will not work with the v2 goggles.

[@its-my-life]

@@AndyRCchannel That's very interesting. Can you say where you know this from, or is it just your personal opinion? Many thanks for the awesome content.

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@its-my-life its not my opinion. Its one of the reasons walksnail came out with the avatar system because they knew vistas and air units (which at the time they were selling for them) were not going to work with the new dji v3 system. Its possible the old FPV drone will (that part is an opinion) I suppose you could speculate that now DJI has a competitor with walksnail they could back track on that to try screw them over. Id say thats unlikely otherwise whats the point developing a v3 goggle? why not just release a v2 air unit that works with the existing v2 goggles?

[@its-my-life]

@@AndyRCchannel Many thanks for that quick reply. It's interesting times right now. I sold all my old FPV gear and I'm now sitting on some cash trying to figure out which system to go for. DJI v3, Walksnail or HDZero. DJI v3 was FCC filed yesterday, as you surely noticed (Ian did a video on it), so we should soon know more there. I think (!) I will have to dedice between DJI v3 and Walksnail, HDZero is nice, but it seems to suffer when it comes to long range and it simply does not look as "clear" as the other two options.

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@its-my-life I think everyone is currently deciding where to spend their cash. the patient will wait and the live fast die young will buy now. What i will say about dji. Since the air units and vistas that came out three years ago. What has come out since that's been any use to us?

[@sendalkotak285]

can you tell me the model of your pocket hdmi monitor?

[@AndyRCchannel]

its called the DIGITNOW! HD Video Capture Box 1080P 60FPS but dont buy a new one. I spent a few days looking at second hand ones on ebay. It seems that people buy them to convert old vhs footage and then bin them on ebay as a bid. I bid on one that i lost that went for 48 dollars but won one for 20 dollars. Its very good for the avatars. also make sure you but a 90 degree HDMI cable. Ill cover this in another video but a 90 degree usb cable has a lateral force not horizontal so it never falls out. this is the one I used: amzn.to/3zaknRQ or in america amzn.to/3S6xwDQ

[@sendalkotak285]

@@AndyRCchannel Thanks bro, I'll look for it.

[@AndrewHyams]

What's the channel allocation like? Is it going to be friendly with VTx timing systems in the way HDZero is, or banned from a load of racemeets like the DJI stuff? The other thing HDZero have done to really ingratiate themselves with race organisers is provide their events DVR multiway VRx...

[@AndyRCchannel]

they match the DJI frequencies I believe but ill do a deeper dive into that. This was more about clearing up some stuff that I believe was hindering its progress. I would imagine the goggles transmitting on a frequency as soon as they are powered up for now would cause issues. But as they say they are also working on fixed latency. Maybe that can be the one for racers

[@licensetodrive9930]

Too ill recently to follow the Walksnail situation closely, only managed to fly about 4 whoop packs this year, but from what you're saying it sounds like Walksnail is going to be the DJI FPV system that so many wanted.

[@AndyRCchannel]

so sorry to hear about your illness. I hhope you get better soon. I can relate.

[@licensetodrive9930]

@@AndyRCchannel Thank you, near 2.5 years of long covid fatigue issues is taking its toll on me, still trying to design quad parts for everyone because I can do that whilst sitting down and it helps takes my mind off things.

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@licensetodrive9930 so sorry to hear that. covid has been a bugger to me also. Glad you are able to make the best of it. Hopefully it goes away

[@jakeh3144]

HDO2's are trash compared to the sky04x. I for one am not a fan of my eye balls touching the lenses.

[@AndyRCchannel]

The skyzones don't fit my nose unfortunately. Very uncomfortable to fly for me

[@gingfpv]

I'm waiting for echine digital till then 1000mw analogue all the way for me to expensive

[@AndyRCchannel]

I respect your patience :)

[@gingfpv]

Its got be in there pipe line

[@nq0amark138]

Great information Andy ! Your explanation on h264 and h265 finally help me understand a little more about the way the codex works. You have given me more solid information than I have found elsewhere. Good stuff. Double thumbs up from me !... Cheers from Utah. ;-)

[@AndyRCchannel]

Glad it helped!

[@ApappieK]

Thanks for sharing and clearing up the fog around this product and the company's. Lot's of interesting info and this is the first video which gives me confidence that there is a bright future for this digital system because of technological possibilities and their focus what to do first.

[@AndyRCchannel]

thank you. I am feeling the same

[@miquelmarti6537]

ok, now I understand the relation btw. these companies. I was very wrong and missjudged

[@MFD005]

I love FPV flying is one of the coolest 😎 feelings. Thanks for the hard work making FPV videos. I'm thinking about going digital, and walksnail is the route I'm going. Thanks again

[@johndavis6482]

Explains the stutter !! Your so good at what you do!

[@thinkaboutwhy]

Andy, thank you for the information. First video I have seen on the subject that didnt sound tribal or sales pitch. I actually dont feel negative about this product like I did before your video. Have a great day.

[@DiogoFilipeR]

I really like to have an analogue receiver mounted to my dji goggles to fly whoops and older drones I still have.. Maybe I'll wait for the second version in a year or so and sell dji at that time. Although dji will drop a lot more value by then... Right now I could just sell all dji stuff and buy the walksnail without investing more money basically.. But then... The whoop flying... 😄 can't live without the whoops too

[@AndyRCchannel]

Walksnail will have a whoop vtx. DJI will not

[@DiogoFilipeR]

@@AndyRCchannel so we will have hd whoops to fly indoors? I saw some hdzero for whoops too.. This digital future will create so many different protocols and non compatible stuff between brands. 😩 analog days will be missed if a standard protocol can't be created

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@DiogoFilipeR could you not say the same about control links? tbs, ghost, elrs, frsky, flysky? choice is good it means things get better

[@DiogoFilipeR]

@@AndyRCchannel sure, that's a good point but they are just modules that you can change on the controller without buying a new controller. You can't say the same about these goggles and each costs 600+

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@DiogoFilipeR you can say the same about the stand alone vrx such as hd zero and the upcoming walksnail vrx. But it's true that hd video systems are more expensive. Just stick to analogue for the cheapest.

[@zefixx6659]

The System will be as good as DJI in Termes of Imagequality some day. But at this moment DJI is outstandig better in 50MBit HQ Mode. There is no compression at all line of sight. Lets hope Caddx will deliver.

[@AndyRCchannel]

do you have the avatars or are you commenting on what you have seen from other videos? i would disagree that there is no comparison. especially in 1080p mode

[@zefixx6659]

@@AndyRCchannel Hi Andy from other videos. Mad´s Tech´s video Avatar Digital FPV - 19mm Camera Looked Amazing For One Pack shows what the system can do for this one pack. Here i see that is on paar with DJI and no compression in the grass. For shure the DJI system compresses also but not nearly as much like the Avatar. But this one clean looking pack vrom Mad´s Tech looks realy good to me. Lets hope this will be the standard in near future of the Avatar system...

[@paulhope3401]

Good points and it deffo has potential... but there are also no guarantees a future FS/Walksnail system will be backwards compatible either... unless you know otherwise?

[@AndyRCchannel]

they are dedicated to this hardware

[@AliBFPV]

Great vid btw. Think that’s got the most useful information of all the vids so far 👍

[@AndyRCchannel]

thanks :)

[@AliBFPV]

No thanks mr spam 🙂

[@xigxagz]

Thank you for the fine effort you've undertaken to investigate and share this info. Much appreciated.

[@bernardhfox]

Watching again to see the truth! You nailed it Andy, great to see you back flying again, you have been missed. I did try to get support on my analog goggles HDO. No response from Fatshark at all. Was really disappointed in how Fatshark did the analog community. I'm looking forward to getting a set of HDZero goggles.

[@davidanderson6222]

I must be the last person still analogue’n with my hd3’s 😂. No worries! But thanks for the detailed heads up Andy. (I’m broke anyway)

[@AndyRCchannel]

Nah from my viewing figures 80 percent of viewers still fly analogue including myself. I just think theres less analogue bind and flys these days which is why you see a lot of digital reviews but they are too expensive for most

[@juliansjames]

Well done Andy. Great background info.

[@badassdrones778]

Great insight ! Thanks for making all this clear to me. It's frustrating to know it would only take few weeks for dji to make the perfect product fulfilling all our Fpv needs but they don't. Can't blame them for making a living from their work though... Real challenge for companies nowadays is to create a profitable business model for open source projects...

[@motionsic]

Thanks Andy for the very well researched video. I appreciate the detail explanation on differences of H.264 and H.265.

[@AndyRCchannel]

Glad it was helpful!

[@EnglishTurbines]

One of the things we need is a STAND ALONE VRX.... HDMI output to your fave Box goggle or monitor. Shouldn't need saying..🤔🤔😳🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧😏

[@wattage2007]

The goggles transmit at 1200mw?

[@AndyRCchannel]

They can do yes if unlocked. Depends what power output u select

[@wattage2007]

@@AndyRCchannel interesting. I’d thought it was just the VTX which could transmit at that power. Two-way 1.2W transmission!

[@brendand.2269]

I think it’s funny how DJI created HD FPV and made it absolutely amazing with near bulletproof components. The second another company came knocking at the door and saying they were making a HD fpv system, they reply with 1080 lol it’s literally hysterical. The ONLY time DJI will be beat is if they “let” someone beat them

[@AndyRCchannel]

You may only find it funny if they don't stop making current vistas and the new air unit / avata and goggles 2 having to comply to FCC and ce power output laws. And costing 300 dollars a unit. And then having to comply with remote I'd. September or next year / where caddx does not have to do any of that. Is that gonna be fun? Or funny?

[@burrefpv9273]

Tack!

[@AndyRCchannel]

thanks so much

[@craigjohnstone87]

Dave is no more in the UK Andy. Shut down last year and no replacement in UK as yet.

[@AndyRCchannel]

thats really sad :( especially as the HDO2 is gonna get used more now I have an HD zero VRX. Where do you send them to now? thx for the info

[@craigjohnstone87]

@@AndyRCchannel I dedicate my time to testing new HDZero products and work closely with the lead dev so give me a shout if you need any assistance. No idea regarding where they are sent now. Be very careful with your HDMI port though, I'm on #4 🤣 Dave sent a me a spare one not long before they stopped service.

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@craigjohnstone87 yes I have heard this thanks for the heads up. hopefully the hdzero dedicated goggle sorts that out

[@January_Cold]

Thank you! I'm a newbie and I'm really lost in the sea of vtx tech. If you were me and can only afford to buy just one system to use for the next few years, which one would you go with? I'm leaning towards Walksnail because I believe in the community contribution and updates.

[@AndyRCchannel]

It's hard to say right now. Dji is the most finished product but it's end of life and might not be able to get for much longer. Hdzero is great but it worked slightly differently so check out my hd zero video as it breaks up differently. The dji V3 we really don't know how much use it's going to be for all fpv pilots or if it's going to be affordable. The avatar is not quite there yet. Maybe it's best to wait a few weeks to see walksnail get better before making a big purchase. Walksnail is progressing very fast and I'll be the first to let you know when it's good enough to buy.

[@califpv]

Do like I did... I knew dji V1 & V2 goggles would not last forever because DJi = No backwards compatibility... I bought about a dozen dji and nebula pro cams along with 10 vista VTX's and 5 Air units ... I have yet to see a single one of my 4 builds running the vista stop working... Get a small stock pile of Vista's and dji cams now while you can and you'll be good for a long time... As another person said ... DJi has the most well finished and best functioning HD system as of now .. HDzero will take over the micro HD game. Eventually, the Avatar system "should" be on par with DJi....

[@January_Cold]

@@califpv I decided yesterday that I was going to wait for HDzero's standalone headset 👍🏻 I believe in the open source concept.

[@MrLaserpowered]

Excellent summary of the system.

[@rtpman1953]

Finally a straight-to-the-point video explaining both versions. Thanks.

[@Super_Mario_Fpv]

I bet you can use frostbite on the new vrx

[@AndyRCchannel]

I would not bet a lot

[@Super_Mario_Fpv]

@@AndyRCchannel I'll ask Carl, I only made that comment because Carl did make a point to make backwards compatibility to all hdzero products. Including frostbyte. I'll post up when I get an answer.

[@Super_Mario_Fpv]

@@AndyRCchannel seems like as of now even the frostbyte hardware is still compatible with the new vrx.

[@AndyRCchannel]

@@Super_Mario_Fpv oh apologies I thought you were talking about walksnail working with hdzero. Yes the old sharkbyte stuff works with hdzero to my knowledge

[@Super_Mario_Fpv]

@@AndyRCchannel ah lol. I feel like I misunderstood something now. No worries. I appreciate the content, makes my day more interesting.

[@AKtoTok]

Very interesting!! Thank you for all the insight!

[@DriftFPV]

Great video Andy

[@Gosuminer]

Can the Walksnail system even benefit from the advantages of H.265? I always thought the fancy prediction and compression methods required buffering several frames and with 90 Hz frame rate each buffered frame means 11 ms more latency so fpv systems need to use simpler compression methods (both in H.265 and H.265) that basically only use I frames.

[@AndyRCchannel]

It's doing good so far at this early stage. Time will tell. H265 wasn't plucked out of the air put it that way ;-)

[@Sketchy_FPV]

Nicely done mate

[@olichromoly3660]

I'm pissed at having bought the DJI remote 1 just to realize I can now throw it the bin.

[@ATekFPV]

Very much appreciate all this clear communication, this kind of discussion day one would have helped heaps for anyone looking to onboard.

[@AndyRCchannel]

thank you for watching