‪@Angel_zayna‬

[@Flotalendy]

I’m asking once again, despite the warnings under my channel guidelines and about page, to not attack anyone I have learned after this video Zayna was apparently between 11/12, meaning we can give her room of doubt of her not knowing tracing unless more evidence is found

[@jardsboyfriendandhusbamd]

ok im not braindead enough to attack someone when told not to anyway

[@judasisgone]

Uh… Flo… check her community page…

[@cmool]

11 to 12? shes so young.

[@noellovesbutterflies]

​​@@judasisgoneyeah Flo she said she gave credit and apologized on her recent community post... But im still not sure about this....

[@BigComfyCouchBronyGal]

I'm a nice per....*ahem* pony. I'd NEVER attack anyone. But yes, Undersood.

[@fuyunoyoru]

can we talk about how much flotalendy's art has got prettier? i love the perspective of her oc in the speedpaint :D

[@definitionofepic]

ikr❤

[@jiyakuches220]

Yes :))

[@_Hana_24]

Yaa

[@SakuraStarXD]

agreed!

[@Jeon-Seyeon]

Agreed!!! 💕

[@fredweasleysrealwife]

can we all agree that this community is basically just never going to catch a break? off topic, but flohida, your art has gotten wayyy better!! the drawing here looks gorgeous

[@y2k.lover.boo0]

fr

[@vyhuynh332]

Flotalendy

[@luluthewolf9995]

It was 2 months ago!

[@Gacha_Nazrinofficial]

Which is why I quit Gacha

[@PinkSnowAJ]

flohida is a such a cute name xd

[@Flotalendy]

What’s worse? Tracing a box or cropping the box’s background and implementing it directly in your video?

[@projecttsar]

yes

[@teetertaater]

I don't even know 💀

[@Eepyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

Cropping the box's background and implementing into the video

[@confetti_x]

yes chain

[@MelanieMartinezsuperior]

Well it depends on how much they do it

[@justagrape2343]

As an artist since 2018 I wanna clear something, I used to trace poses and and hands when I was a beginner and I got some hate because of that, so I started to train by tracing without posting them and now my art is amazing, in short instead of tracing without learning anything from it it's better to use it to learn by practicing after figuring out how it was drawn

[@Happy_Face864]

It's ok but there's no problem tracing it, I understand you but you have to leave credits if you're going to trace something you won't suffer hate

[@Wafflezz0_0]

@@Happy_Face864actually if the creator doesn’t want it to be traced at all it’s a problem

[@confetti_x]

Tracing a box is literally so f-ing embarrassing, this is coming from someone who’s an artist. This is just triggering to me-

[@CheetixGlitch]

I'm not an artist but yea- Like I'm still learning and I'm still confused on why she had to trace the box out of everything. The aesthetic ig. Still wrong tho

[@Ionlyeatchipzeveryday]

Right? I'm an animal and landscape artist but like I can literally draw cubes or even boxes when it comes to math 💀

[@realdavidtennant]

@@sillysillysillysillysillys1lly ok so? there's tons of other things she traced

[@kaneko89]

i’ve practice for years on perfecting my shoujo style girl drawings and yet i can draw a box

[@LiterallyInklingGirl]

It’s literally just 3 squares 😭😭 it’s not really even that hard

[@WannabeMagicall]

I was gonna say that they referenced it but at this point this isn’t referencing anymore-

[@SageTheDoodle]

I’m so dissapointed, also tracing a box?! A box? I can hardly trust anyone anymore T-T…

[@notxiconic0]

The fact she traced a box 😭💀

[@lazzy-sy6dr]

Girlie hit a different low-

[@wutchadoin]

She didn't traced it, SHE IMPORTED IT THEN PUT HER OC IN IT 😭💀

[@notxiconic0]

@@wutchadoin why did dumbass just replied after a year

[@KatT_0n_pawZ]

@@wutchadoin 😂

[@MitZQueen]

⁠​⁠@@wutchadoinbruh she literally stole it💀._.

[@BigComfyCouchBronyGal]

So, about me not knowing how to draw. Well, as a person who's already a tracer in the first place (!!!FULL CREDIT TO THE ORIGINAL OWNERS FOR THE BASES!!!), I do honestly feel bad for what the original artists, who Angel_zayna traced, had to go through with being traced by Angel or anyone else. Now before all of you come raging in my comment, DO let me explain. Firstly, I'm SLOWLY getting better at drawing. But, I still don't know how to make a straight line. Even with or without a ruler, digital or handdrawn But if you take a look at my artwork so far, you can clearly see that I didn't use any other pose base for most of them. I mean, sure. I created my own base through some Gacha apps/mods, and yet I still do it since I don't know jack crap about drawing full poses. There's a bit of a lesson for ya, I guess. And hopefully this explains my path of becoming a tracer. Not a bad tracer, but a LEARNING tracer (Again, slowly getting better. But, I can't draw worth a darn [lol]). Do take care now, and as two of my favorite youtubers always say: "Stay awesome!" and "May harmony finds you."

[@saraannriiko]

If the tracing actually helps improve your art and you’re not claiming that it’s yours and you don’t post it, you’re safe and fine. I used to try to copy exactly of what other artists drew (I began traditional but the image was digital) and that was really cringe of me, but I eventually learnt to draw original content.

[@BigComfyCouchBronyGal]

Exactly the point. To me, doing that sort of thing is like a practice. But as I thought how bad it is (since I've seen so many calling out a tracer), I just got a little better. Once more, even without a base. But now I'm starting to create my own pose base through gacha apps/mods, I'm slowly getting better at drawing the full poses. But when it comes to using a base from an artist, I kept it to myself. Mind you once again, this is before I even started this YT channel for fun and I barely even know how to do YT. I'll keep saying this and I do apologize, I can't draw as well as Flo or any other talented artists. Through my art while looking back, it looks like I drew a bobblehead figure of Lavender Wings, myself, or any youtuber I drew. I can't draw full body poses. Heck, I can't even draw freaking hands or fingers.

[@insamitygacha2468]

@@BigComfyCouchBronyGal To be fair, hands are really hard to draw, lol

[@CheetixGlitch]

I honestly do trace yes but only to get used to drawing. I just find the image on google on a website or smt and I use it. It never says anything about copyright or og artists but whenever I use an art that isn't mine, I just say that the art isn't mine and idk who the og artist is/put the name and link the artist

[@CheetixGlitch]

​@insamitygacha2468 Agreed. I'm learning and I use gacha as a base or a pose on ibis or Google. They are so hard.

[@confetti_x]

This community can’t have a break. Why can’t people just give proper credits or make their own. LIKE ZAYNA LITERALLY TOOK A BOX FROM SOMEONE! ITS NOT THAT HARD TO MAKE A BOX YOURSELF- like is it that hard to make a cardboard cube? It’s not that hard to put someone’s name when you give credits. It’s not that hard . Sorry for ranting

[@Moon_l1ght_15]

She is now giving credits but she probably didn't know what credits mean- like you never know-

[@Ark_Kit-2023]

She might've been not so good at drawing or have issues making it, but still doesn't give her the right to js use it and not even credit

[@Ark_Kit-2023]

​@@Moon_l1ght_15True, but I'm pretty sure she knows what it means and most likely didn't want to credit.

[@caramel3141]

All the drama aside your so fricking good at drawing omg

[@eggzoticbutters]

In those videos where she got exposed for tracing, she apologized. However, I’m indeed sure that if Flo did not expose her, she wouldn’t have apologized. Obviously she knows that she had to credit, if she watched the TikTok’s where she traced she saw that they requested for credit. She also stated that she was going to credit, but I checked her videos but she never credited (correct me if I’m wrong). Crazy. Also, off topic from the video and my comment but, your art has gotten so much better, Flo! Keep drawing! :D ❤

[@Flotalendy]

I feel the exact same thing about ghis

[@GalaxyTheMarker]

As someone who uses free props for my videos, i credit every artist for the prop, and i only use the free to use ones. And i sometimes draw my own props. There's a different between tracing and using free to use bases.

[@charlydance1777]

Flo is the living proof that practicing = improvement

[@yourfriendosky]

I hate the people who trace without credit on purpose they think they can get away with anything

[@sunny0days]

How are people that lazy to trace people's art AND not give them any credit? AND think they can get away with it, It's so stupid!

[@ChuuyaNakaharaIsGorgeous]

She traced a *box* .. A BOX- LITTERALLY A BROWN RECTANGLE AND DONE- BUT SHE TRACED IT.. WHAT 😭✋

[@xxmissthailandxx3780]

Merci beaucoup Flo ! Merci pour informer tout le monde ❤ I'm french too

[@_viaXlove_]

Reading the pinned comment, and seeing she’s 11/12 makes me feel so bad for the other people in those two specific ages (such as myself) and how 11/12 yr olds are presented as, “emo, cringe, ignorant, irresponsible, etc.” and mostly ignoring the fact there are actual 11/12 yr olds that are way better than what is said across the internet. I hope she makes a well-made and good apology, we need that hope of light right now since there’s been a lot going on.

[@aviizz]

its so good! but girl's worried bout a box ...

[@K1tty_X0]

Why do they never credit? Like it’s not that hard😭😭

[@Cawffee7]

Unless they got it from Pinterest where everybody reposts everybody’s art w/o credit, 100% 💀

[@MiniEmber]

@@Cawffee7 Most of the gacha community use art from pinterest and say it's ok because it's there then wonder why the art community dislike the gacha community

[@Cawffee7]

@@MiniEmber whenever i get art from pinterest i try to look for a watermark, and most times they don’t have one ☹️

[@MiniEmber]

@@Cawffee7 A lot of people erase them on purpose

[@Cawffee7]

@@MiniEmber probably

[@HidingfromShuu]

This makes me very sad because she is my friend..she was the one that made me reach this far..I can't believe it :( thanks for the information Flo

[@angelsunicorns1081]

the previous video was someone thanking u for giving courage to stand up to cinna u get a sub for that

[@OfficialCallmehLight]

Yt Remmomended me this video- I'm so glad they did! I never knew the creator of those hand bases and I thought they were free bases since I got it from pinterest, I'm gonna credit the creator right now- since I used it to many times. Thank you for giving this information! :D

[@Quit-c4x]

I saw the community post already but im still gonna watch

[@BruhOlivia]

The worst part is that some of the artists don’t want things to be traced, like the “there was a certain man in Russia long ago” (OLD TREND BTW, THE CREATOR OF THE BASE SHOWN IN SHORTS DIDNT WANT IT TO BE USED) so history is basically repeating itself (the trend didn’t die though, ppl are using different bases and (maybe) giving credit.)

[@MiniEmber]

The base use originally was not even a base and was traced From Unknownspy's artwork then uploaded to pinterest as a base. People do this a lot

[@BruhOlivia]

@@MiniEmber yeah 😭😭

[@justagrape2343]

Out of context, your art is getting a lot better proud of you 😔💜

[@Arikiranix]

My opinion is tracing is fine for learning or if your art needs guidance, but you ALWAYS need to credit the og artist or don't post it. It's better to not trace if you want to become good at art. Instead do art studies!

[@MiniEmber]

One correction. F2u bases always require credit, they are free to use if you credit the artist and do not remove any watermark on the base (if there is one). Nothing is free to use without credit, that's how f2u bases work.

[@red_star-ys5jg]

Why do I happen to be subscribed to everyone that does bad things? How does this happen? 😭

[@Iheartchiori]

Thanks for telling us! there are too many tracers nowadays..

[@teetertaater]

Nooo I thought she was good !!Thanks for sharing tho flo,I would not have figured it out ❤

[@AlienFriend]

Me at first: Oh it looks like she might just be using them as a reference. Me literally 1 minute later: *Oh...nevermind then...* (Nah, cause it aint even that hard to draw a box...A BOX.)

[@h_editshhh]

The art in the background is so beautiful and you’re so talented!

[@kiwi_studios7778]

Even if she is 11/12, she sould know at the bare minimum that tracing without credit isn't ok. However I will give her the benefit of the doubt since she is still 11/12. (Also the art looks REALLY COOL :D

[@Random_Fellas]

I hate it when peoples don’t realise how much hard work the person did to do theses.

[@skom_protagwolftale8309]

Oh my gosh the Clothes at The thumbnail I saw In Instagram, Its so cute! But Again, Its so Recognizable to many Especially Artist That She Took that Clothes from Either insta or Google

[@sharminbiswas4900]

But what if they don't know that they are tracing? Because some gachatubers uses ideas from pintrest and also says that those ideas are from "pintrest" without knowing the actual artist of it. Because in pintrest we all know that there ain't any sign of the real artist (not very much).

[@Akari_Sasaki-kinichlover]

All seriousness aside, YOUR ART IMPROVE SMM

[@Kumo_.]

Artists can’t catch a break from tracing and stealing these days.. Hopefully, they will own up to their mistakes! It’s so sad to see many artists’ hard work being stolen.

[@deeleriexs]

I believe that most of the time, she’s not even tracing. She just overlayed the other pic and that makes the problem even worse in my opinion.

[@EclipsePalette]

"This box, not hers" made me die woth laughter

[@LizandAiz]

Your art is so good, especially I struggle with perspective art, lol.

[@quanashiab.9620]

At 2:00, a box tho? That's embarrassing, I really hope she stops this crap.

[@GlowwingHeart]

I can't believe I commented on one of her videos,thanks for Making me aware Flo!

[@le4h_x]

Wow- I actually thought she took pride in her work and was actually really proud of her- well, I found out about the hand thing because ive seening everywhere-(encluding cinna's incident) thanks for explaining this ro us!

[@Mel-isTiredXD]

And ur art is amazing since u don’t trace & ur very talented 😁

[@D30D0R4NT]

Come on guys say it with me now, If it is on the Internet expect it to be, Reused, traced and stolen. If it is a blank base like that, as a b a s e, it is 110% free to use.

[@D30D0R4NT]

Like Yes it May be “wrong” but still expect it to fucking happen. It’s the Internet you have literally control over nobody besides yourself, for example, me, I use bases all the fucking time that’s because they are Bases. In the end result, it doesn’t matter and nothings going to fucking happen because you can’t “get her banned” or whatever you think your end goal is.

[@Shimmy-od1gs]

Agreed

[@AUCreatoer]

Wow- th audacity Also your art is so pretty!

[@CrappyDappy]

Bro she traced the box??? BOXES ARE LIKE GENUINELY NOT HARD TO DRAW LIKE WHAT.

[@im_lhj]

how does she do this without any shame? definitely unsubbing to her after this. smh. i used to trace when I was a beginner artist and I am rlly ashamed of my actions back then. I wish i could turn back time and fix my mistake of tracing.

[@thecraycraycrayon]

the gacha commuity is just total drama but just to bring it up..i love your art!! its beauiful

[@alvoriia]

We need to spread this !!

[@ltsKenzie]

You always spot the unseen, its really incredible that you have a good eyesight 😵‍💫

[@anastasiaz._pt]

OMG i loved the vid where you make the SHAKE IT collab with Mika rou!!! It was so cuteeee❤❤❤ Around last year and older, i loved to trace and just add things extra, only using a base from Google and making the others myself. Now, as i was drawing for fun, i realized my art was starting to look better. I learned not to trace and just draw things myself. Its just because I was not good at art at older days, and i need to trace.

[@its_not_akio_]

Pinterest is also the thing to blame Like people would just reposting it on Pinterest, not giving credits, what so ever And other that saw it just assume it’s free and stuff so they would use it

[@winternanamilol]

Girl traced a box 💀

[@Banana011]

Your voice is so calming btw i love your drawing

[@altedhmarsperez4231]

Alright then Flo and Your Art is Looking Goos Flo

[@NyxWasHere__]

I did use the hands u mentioned in the video early on, i did add the link to the hands since i didn't know the creator of them and i didn't feel confident to draw that day. I saw another person give the link to the hands too. But using them without ANY credit is just sick.

[@Swifti3Lov3]

Love this art!

[@trixareecubillas2061]

A box? She copied a box? As an artist, my disappointment is immeasurable

[@lenanan25]

imagine tracing a….box.😊😊😊

[@Itz._.berryna]

It's literally not even due to tracking if we take Pinterest photos but you take it for due to tracking when Pinterest is open to all gachatuber 😩🤚

[@JustH4ni]

A BOX? THAT IS ACTUALLY EMBARRASSING

[@right662]

FR WHO THE HECK WOULD TRACE A LITERALLY BROWN SQUARE TO PLAY

[@blueapple5274]

omg this is the 5th rant i saw about a gachatuber/artist today 😭

[@flo-o3c]

İ really appreciate u for exposing the problematic,tracer or stealer people soo much Flo!As always ty for the info!💙💙 İm really excited to see her reaction to getting exposed too ngl. İll just have my tea and my popcorn(such a combo i know.

[@Whydemgenshinboyscute]

OMG TYSM FOR TELLING US ABOUT THE HANDS I WAS ABOUT TO USE THEM AND I DIDN’T KNOW 😭 also guess what?! The person on Pinterest I searched up “ free gacha hand trace “ and it came up . They had re named it and put a text on it that said “ free hand trace “

[@EmoDonutWolf]

Ok I will try my best not to do mistakes to not get myself in these kinda problems 😭

[@Naynab.Roblox]

Oh darling... Out of all things you can trace... You chose... *A box*

[@JaydenL0v3sY0u]

I am sorry this is off topic your art is getting better every day

[@Courtneys_Lawyer]

Who would trace a box they are easy to draw💀

[@ZZEENN_.]

im disappointed. she's also Indonesian.. but this is old now, and she already apologized.

[@xoxo.vvivi.]

why r all of my fav gacha tubers turning out like this?? 😭 beautiful art btw ✨🍓❤

[@Kata_ki_Hana_ko]

You got me on your side to help 😊❤❤❤

[@madokaslvr]

If she really wanted to trace don’t make it that obvious 💀

[@Kimorawu]

Your art is so cuteeee!!!

[@Pastel_kitty_FPE]

Can u tell me who made this SLAY outfit at 1:30 ? Edit : Sorry pookie but who made those that angel zayna traced?

[@AnthonyAstro]

I will make a post on my channel about this , thank you 🙏 ❤

[@Suzuki-rw5pp]

WHO IS A TRACER AGAIN JOE MAMA?!?

[@SunshineSparkle]

Hi you are my favorite youtuber ❤ cuz i love watching yours gacha updates on oct 2023 You are my inspiration ❤❤❤❤❤

[@SAKIE-143]

Thank you for telling us!!

[@P4ggie]

I will be helping too, I'm currently on her channel

[@Lila-gc4qq]

Hi Flo, i wanna ask if u can make a rant on this one gacha tuber called Only_Mirii (sister of Only_Mehhh) bc she traced many other artists, even Devil Bona, so if u can make a rant on her, it would be appreciated thank you for reading.

[@StarBrush13]

For the first one I remember tracing it but not uploading the art work, so thank lord

[@theparticipationtrophy]

It’s not hard to make things yourself, you just got to try and if it goes well it goes well, and if you fail you fail. That’s basically how it works, you shouldn’t trace no matter what. (Unless it’s practice, a base, or you give credit and don’t claim it as yours and don’t steal the whole thing)

[@nthnhppns]

the fact she deleted all her posts- she knows she messed up :,) thanks for the info Flo!

[@IAmCertainlyHuman]

That box better have been the BEST box to put into your gacha edit because who would trace a literal BOX?? 🤨🤨

[@LiterallyInklingGirl]

Why is every in this community taking “I’m already tracer” literally?

[@Boba-sensei]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think its ok to trace a base as long you give credit and like you said when she traced the hand. The original creator said they wanted credits if they use that hand

[@saraannriiko]

Yeah, but in this case she didn’t give a single ounce of credit.

[@luce.7]

Yes, it will be okay to use a base if the original creator allows, but in this case, she did not give a credit nor tell her fans it's a base, which is same as saying she made it. Well, she gave credits now so I guess the drama is ✨️over✨️

[@maeve_xx]

She also traced art, 1 month ago in her cp the art she made for that girl has inconsistent lining - which is common in tracing And aswell a video she posted on the 5th of June she made a gacha art video which both the art styles are not similar in any way, and also has inconsistent lining, my friend also has seen a peice of art which is similar to the drawing, though he doesnt know where he saw the art and doesnt have a picture of it.

[@Alisonsgachaverse]

I have a friend named Angelina Zina and at the beginning the captions said "Angel Zina" and I got scared

[@SCARED_CAT-AHHHHH]

I use those for reference so i can have a better perspective for drawing clothing but girl- TRACING?!!

[@Aili_Ranaly]

Where did you get these pictures? (oh and btw your cool and good at exposing people

[@gwenthegremlin]

Off topic but, YOUR ART IS LOVELY

[@Kaiyax_]

The only time I ever trace is for practice, and even then I don’t ever post the traces art. I use it to help me find good ways for me to draw anatomy or clothes or etc

[@Movedtopinterest]

Oh my goodness?!! 😂😂😂 tracing a box?!! BAHAHHA!!!

[@HushMizuki]

I Saw In Her Community Post That She Already Apologized And Gave Credit... She Seems Young, And Perhaps Didn't Understand That It Wasn't Right For Her To Be Tracing. She Has Learned Her Lesson. I Don't Watch Her (I Never Heard Of Her Until Now) But She Really Seems Nice. So Yeah... Please Don't Attack Her. Yeah, She Traced A Box, Okay, But Stop Harassing Her Over It. I Saw Some People In The Community Post Going, "The audacity to trace a box 💀" Just Like In This Comment Section But, Stop. Please. I Hate This Behavior. They Look Like Toddlers Wanting Excuses To Harass Someone.

[@jardsboyfriendandhusbamd]

harassment by law is assault and threats you cant assault through a screen and nobody was threatening her, so quit lying just because shes 11 - 12 doesnt mean she cant apologize and is exempt of any consequences ps: if she was sorry she wouldnt be deleting comments that nicely say that credits arent enough after she has already traced the art

[@HushMizuki]

@@jardsboyfriendandhusbamd Wha- How Am I Lying...? I Simply Said 'Harassment' Because, Well, Other People Consider It (And Call) As Harassment. Of Course Everyone Knows That Harassment Through Screen Isn't Actually Doing Much Damage. Also I Never Said About Anyone Threatening Her Either. I Simply Meant That Those Types Of Comments, When Over-Used Too Much, Become Unfunny And Annoying. I Mean, Yesterday I Saw Many, Many People Saying The Same Thing Over And Over Again. Also, That Was First Impressions. I Didn't Know At That Time That She Was Deleting Comments. The Tone You Are Using To Write Your Reply Is Rather Aggressive-Type, And I Simply Hope, Instead Of That Kind Of Tone, Use A Nicer One...? Not Sure But Yeah. Sorry If I Offended You, Or Anyone. I Wasn't Defending Her Whatsoever, If That's What You Think. I Simply Thought So, At That Time, That She Seemed Genuine... I'm Honestly Tired... Tired Of All These Meaningless Dramas... Why... Why Does This Keep Happening..... Over And Over Again... These Tracing... These People Not Giving Credit, etc... WHY. And All These People Do Is Not Apologize, Keep Running Away, Not Face Consequences Despite Constant Warnings... I Hate This All... The Only Person I Remember Actually Apologizing And Doing Good Is Noxula... Yet All These Other People Like Nehema, Breadz... And Now Zayna. The Gacha Community Is Cursed At This Point, I'm So Disappointed. I'm Pretty Glad I Left This Community, But I Still Do Support People Who Try To Make Good Contents.

[@HushMizuki]

@@RxinboeClxudz Reminder To Not Trust People With 'Angel' In Their Name?... Noted. Also True. I Am Actually Also A Digital Artist, And Well, Not Much To Say, But Use References Would Be My Advice.

[@jardsboyfriendandhusbamd]

@@HushMizuki i am not reading all thaf🔥🔥 okay but i did read all that and good that you learned she was deleting comments and she most likely isnt sorry also if i seem rude its because i feel as if i cant control it and dont know how to word it in a nicer way (mayb its the autism because that causes me to process social cues slower and i csnt read tone through text so if i take something in the wrong way id probably be rude) sorry

[@HushMizuki]

@@jardsboyfriendandhusbamd Ah, It's Okay! Don't Worry, I Also Have That Tone Problem... My Parents Always Shout At Me For That... Anyways, I Hope The Gacha Community Can Catch A Break Sometimes. These Dramas Are... Frustrating. Hope You Have A Good Day Though! :)

[@StarryLightsqx]

Meanwhile me sitting here taking hours on drawing a character for a video that I can’t be bothered to edit until like today: 😢