Angelic Tongues? Personal Prayer Language? Saint Paul says, 'No!'

Angelic Tongues? Personal Prayer Language? Saint Paul says, 'No!' | Charismatic Error

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@juliang3995 Ай бұрын

Thank you Mr.Kennedy, I feel a lot of the time like this when my spirit prays in latin and my intellect is dimmed as to what I am praying, but my soul understands.

@lestersenra5407 Ай бұрын

As always thank you for the amazing video!! And please keep it up! People need to hear how bad that infiltration is for all of our souls. God bless!

@teresaoftheandes6279 Ай бұрын

I truly enjoy and learn something from every Mere Tradition video. Thank you Kennedy. 🙏

@JeffreyThomas-eb9hz Ай бұрын

Your blessed

@BryanKirch Ай бұрын

Try getting any charismatic person to abandon their “gift” I’ve tried every possible way. Gently, Bible proofs, it’s so real to them they can’t let it go. It’s their new “identity” after their “rebirth”

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

I cannot deny what God has done for me, else I'd be like you - a mocker and a scoffer.

@BryanKirch Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsername I know you’re sincere. Would you be able to explain to us the exact benefit of what you call speaking in tongues and why god feels it’s necessary to have you use this particular way of speaking ? What specific fruits does this special language produce and why is it beneficial above the language God gave you through your parents?

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@@BryanKirch In the overtly supernatural experiences I have had with the gift of tongues, it's an intimate encounter with the living God which is very much like a dance. The Spirit of God moves you to speak from within and then speaks through you and with you as you speak. The benefits are that you experience God's presence, His love, His peace, His power. Being filled with the Spirit is like being in Heaven for a brief time while on earth. It clears your mind of worldly or even personal concerns. All anxiety and fear is taken away for the duration and you experience supernatural love, joy, and peace. God becomes very real to you. If there is a prophetic message involved, you then have the joy of hearing a word from the Lord for that specific time and place and people.

@BryanKirch Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsername do you believe st padre Pio received the stigmata and was able to read peoples hearts without them confessing their sins?

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@@BryanKirch What does that have to do with anything?

@davidrodriguez9362 Ай бұрын

This is good I love it keep up the good works.

@guillelainez Ай бұрын

Ironically in my diocese the Charismatic Movement mass is the most reverent of them all.

@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын

And ?

@BobCatholicOrHell Ай бұрын

No its not. The NO mass is anthropocentric and therefore since it is oriented towards man, it can never be reverent.

@annmarierose1086 Ай бұрын

Charismatics are often enthusiastic and highly emotional. They talk about holiness a lot. But tears and lots of words doesn’t necessarily equal truth or a path to sanctification. More likely an opening for demonic influence and being misled while in an emotional state.

@beatricec9238 Ай бұрын

Must be pretty bad where you are at.. God bless

@melarrow6202 Ай бұрын

@@BobCatholicOrHell Seriously ? There is no part of the NO liturgy not addressing God. Either in praise, worship, or in repeating his Word or in appeals to his mercy. Don’t use big words you don’t understand.

@buckan8r999 Ай бұрын

Question- if angels are spirits and dont have ears or voices, how do we account for the Archangel Gabriel and being able to speak to Mary?

@ellacrup1 Ай бұрын

Angels have the ability to move matters in order for us to hear.

@michaelbranham5854 Ай бұрын

Man truly has no clue what Angels are like. Anyone who says different is using mans limited knowledge to place attributes onto the Angels.

@dariaschooler Ай бұрын

One hypothesis for the Catholic Charismatic fad is predictive programming from the film ‘Mary Poppins’. In 1970 at age 10, I won the 4th grade spelling bee with: “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!” Dick Van Dyke & Julie Andrews - Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious [MARY POPPINS] It's... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious If you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! [BERT] Because I was afraid to speak when I was just a lad Me father gave me nose a tweak and told me I was bad But then one day I learned a word that saved me achin' nose [MARY POPPINS & BERT] The biggest word you ever heard, and this is how it goes: Oh, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious If you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! [MARY POPPINS] He traveled all around the world and everywhere he went He'd use his word and all would say, "There goes a clever gent!" [BERT] When Dukes or Maharajas pass the time of day with me I say me special word and then they ask me out to tea [MARY POPPINS & BERT] Oh, supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious If you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! Um diddle diddle diddle, um diddle ay! [MARY POPPINS, spoken] You know you can say it backwards which is "dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirupus"... but that's going a bit too far, don't you think? [BERT, spoken] Indubitably! [MARY POPPINS, sung] So when the cat has got your tongue, there's no need for dismay Just summon up this word and then you've got a lot to say But better use it carefully or it could change your life! [MAN, spoken] For example... [MARY POPPINS, spoken] Yes? [MAN, spoken] One night I said it to me girl, and now me girl's my wife! Oh, and a lovely thing she is, too [MARY POPPINS & BERT] She's.... Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious! --- Gnostic nonsensical utterances are not of God. Therefore they are heresy. Misinterpretation of Bible verses to justify such erroneous works is a comprehension issue.

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

there is good video on yt called: The "Catholic" Charismatic Movement Exposed. I do not know have you watched it or not but if you have not watched it I recommend it because it exposes heretical and demonic charismatic movement so good that it is really eye opening video. Here is link of video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJC2dHuBp7aLbq8

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

@Mr2Badboybrown Ай бұрын

every time he talks about papayas i get hungry

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

Please consider stopping the mockery and adopting a more godly attitude.

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsername Klingon says: hold my beer. Klingon is more sensible then gibberish. Tolkien's languages as well

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsernameboom shakalaka and papaya intoxication

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsername mocking fake gifts is good thing. It is good to mock false gifts

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

no respect for false gifts whatsoever from me

@beatricec9238 Ай бұрын

I can understand why the charismatic supporters here will totally not understand this video. 1) they would not watch till the end to understand the context of St Paul to the Corinthians becauae they might get too emotional within the first 3 mins 2) they cant tell the difference between Latin and boomshakalakapapaya because they are used to hearing something they dont understand and 'how is it possible that Kennedy is speaking tongues?!' 3) they have probably never attended a TLM and cannot see how it contrasts with the NO in its venacular. A world where one has been worshipping in the venecular makes one who encounters pseudo-tongues think that they are getting the same experience at the TLM. I empathise.

@paulvela3306 Ай бұрын

The first century Church is where we find origins of tongues and prophecy and the first liturgical rules and so on, described in1 Corinthians 14.27 and elsewhere, they can not be referring to Latin because Latin was not introduced until the fourth century as the language and exquisitely beautiful language of the Mass..We need to put on our thinking caps and cautiously identify and take the steps necessary to extricate ourselves from reshaping to our own liking first century mentalities by later distortions gaps and fictions as pronounced by our dear friend beatrice.

@WilberWiley Ай бұрын

RIGHT SPIRITS COMMUNICATE WITH THOUGHT. THEY DONT SPEAK AS HUMANS DO. HOW CAN THEY?THEY DONT NEED SPACE TO EXIST. SPACE AND TIME ARE LINKED. YOU CANNOT HAVE TIME WITHOUT SPACE. WHY? BECAUSE YOU NEED SPACE TO MEASURE MOVEMENT. IF NO SPACE, NO MOVEMENT, THEREFORE NO TIME. A THING, NEEDS SPACE. VERY SIMPLE IF YOU ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT IT AND USE THE BRAIN GOD GAVE YOU.

@colleenavery232 Ай бұрын

Far too many people quote and bring their vision of what is being communicated down to a human level rather than raising themselves to a holy understanding The Bible is used to justify heresy when it's not only completely out of context but without any true understanding of the truths known for centuries AND WRITTEN DOWN if only these people weren't too busy and self righteous to actually read. People do not seem to grasp that there is no language between Angels - Glory to God in The Highest, Sanctus etc is communicated to the mind READ AQUINAS! STUDY THE FATHERS AND THE FAITH Stop taking superficial man created idiocy from television and movies and forming a vision of heavenly things!

@chiyo256 Ай бұрын

The papaya, guayaba, enchilada thing😂😂😂😂

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

Too much Papaya must be intoxicating

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

imagine 100% alcohol and Papaya and Papaya gibberish well that is getting Papaya intoxication for sure

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

Mango Mango, papaya and lemonade and boom shakalaka

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

gibber gabber is very trouble

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

dabidabadu hey now I am flinstone language expert

@pj_ytmt-123 Ай бұрын

Ok, but if the matter was clear cut then why did Rome approve the spread of eg. El Shaddai movement within Catholic parishes? 🤔 (Not that I'm a part of them)

@carolynkimberly4021 Ай бұрын

Vatican ll invited in every Protestant and pagan heresy.

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

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@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

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@deathstar2294 Ай бұрын

Rome approves a lot of weird things. The neo catechumenal way for example

@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын

Rome approved francis

@BryanKirch Ай бұрын

I think praying in tongues is an illusion but the idea of angels not being able to manifest as physical beings is incorrect. Genesis 18-19 for example … The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. It continues on for 2 chapters of angelic humanoids who eat and drink

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

You're right about the angels' abilities but wrong about the gift of tongues being an 'illusion'. It is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that Paul specifically teaches on in 1 Cor 12-14. There are multiple incidences in Acts where people speaking in tongues is seen as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit falling on them. The Apostles certainly did not treat those incidents as illusions but as concrete proof that the people had believed and had received the Spirit just as they had on Pentecost. And there was no translating involved, no communication issues, and no discussion of liturgical languages (the latest ridiculous claim by Kennedy).

@BryanKirch Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsername with all due respect we won’t make any progress in our conversation. We are on very different ends of the fence for your personal interpretation of these passages and even if I definitively demonstrate it you’ll never abandon your position. So our conversation is a non starter. I’m sure you’re a very well meaning person but this topic will go nowhere. I’ve tried countless times you guys don’t drop your position you just stop responding once I biblically prove your interpretation is wrong.

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@@BryanKirch What is it you think you can "definitively demonstrate"? And what "personal interpretations" of mine are you talking about? The references to speaking in tongues in Scripture have been there for 2000 years. I didn't write them, nor is it my "personal interpretation" that Peter and Paul both take speaking in tongues as a sign that the Holy Spirit has fallen on the people they were preaching to and praying for. I was baptized in the Spirit on 7/11/83 and I spoke in tongues. Of course it is a nonstarter if you are going to claim that this didn't happen to me or that I "conjured" it as another misguided person here just said to me, having no knowledge of me whatsoever. I know exactly what happened to me. I was there. I also have witnesses, one of them being my mother. You can't "biblically prove" that the gift of tongues isn't real - and good luck with that stuff on judgment day, by the way.

@BryanKirch Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsername I believe you had a supernatural experience or what felt like one. Either way it wouldn’t change my argument against the interpretation of what it would precisely mean to speak in tongues and how you’re misunderstanding the Bible because you’re not reading the passages in their obvious and clear context. I don’t want to try and take anything away from your experiences. Like I said this won’t go anywhere I’ve had this exact conversation with countless charismatics and it always goes the same way. You’re free to do or believe anything you’d like. If you think the sections of the Bible have no room for misinterpretation then I also won’t make any progress. I hope you have a wonderful day

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@@BryanKirch "I don’t want to try and take anything away from your experiences." This sentiment directly contradicts your assertion that, "I believe you had a supernatural experience or what felt like one." By this you obviously mean that my experience was either demonic or fake. In any case, it was not from God, correct? That's what you are trying to say, so how is that not taking away from what God did for me? And if you're not going to back up what you say - apparently because your 'argument' is unconvincing - why say these things in the first place?

@silentium9639 Ай бұрын

Isn’t everything in scripture a matter of faith and/or morals? I’d specifically argue that Anything on liturgy is a matter of faith: Lex orandi statuat legem CREDENDI.

@josephcillojr.7035 Ай бұрын

Angels sing. That is a thing…

@MereTradition Ай бұрын

Not with vocal cords. And it is metaphorical language in scripture but not like humans sing. Aquinas is clear on this

@guillelainez Ай бұрын

@@MereTradition But they are singing "Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus". Is that also metaphorical?

@bigtobacco1098 Ай бұрын

@@guillelainezand ???

@josephcillojr.7035 Ай бұрын

@@MereTradition Angels are messengers. They communicate with words. I understand St. Thomas has his theology, but scripture is replete with angels talking with people and singing in languages. Believe me, I am about as skeptical as possible about charismatic babbling and even had one of these people suggest I had committed the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit because I questioned this stuff. But you have taken a difficult position in saying angels don’t speak in languages. Frankly, I don’t think this argument is persuasive and worth making. A better argument is that the babbling is not language at all, not that angels don’t speak. I remember seeing a program long ago on the real phenomenon of speaking in tongues. A recording was presented to a language specialist who determined it to be an ancient dialect of French, and he translated it as praising God. I believe that angels can speak through people which should not be surprising, since any exorcist will tell you demons speak through people-and demons are angels.

@BryanKirch Ай бұрын

@@MereTraditionyou’ll both hate this but the angels singing are synonymous with “the harmony of the spheres” and people probably won’t like what the spheres are.

@paulvela3306 Ай бұрын

Hebrews 13.2 in speaking of people who have showed hospitality to Angels unaware they were not ordinary people. This contains evidence there is no place here for your Angels being distinguishable by lack of speech and their being linguistically limited .I received the gift of tongues and tested one of the phrases that came out like the sound of flowing water , and, once translated into English, was amazed it was a nice Hebrew prayer. I hope I say this without trace of bitterness or rancor and with respect for your obvious love of Christ, these points render your critique as being the mere babble you accuse tongues of being.

@starchildslover Ай бұрын

thank you paul for the courage to speak the truth on this point and i agree with you 100%

@beatricec9238 Ай бұрын

But you did not know what you were saying while you were saying it. Which is not how it's supposed to be if you had the true version of tongues. Which as explained in this video, was the language used to say the Mass. Which the means, that the priest knows what he is saying to God on behalf of the people.

@elsbethsutherland624 Ай бұрын

Doesn’t scripture somewhere say that angels are constantly singing the Lord’s praises? Also what do you know/think of the parish renewal programme “Divine Renovations” ?

@LeoOrlando-yd2ut Ай бұрын

Oh, I’m sorry Mr. Kennedy, but you must have mistaken me for someone who cares about your opinions. 👎

@rosezingleman5007 17 күн бұрын

Then why are you here?

@JacobQuinlan-h4g Ай бұрын

But Papaya

@honoriaglennon1705 Ай бұрын

Did i see you in athlone last week ??

@duncescotus2342 13 күн бұрын

Wha? Look, it takes more than a beard to make an apologist. If you're called to be a teacher of Gods' people, you will be "held to higher account." St. Paul is clear. NO speaking in tongues in a corporate setting without interpretation. That's a matter of church discipline. End of story. However, WHAT the purpose of tongues is, he does not elaborate on. He DOES seem to say it's for personal edification. IN ANY CASE, prophecy is what we ought to be doing. And the gift of prophecy is well established in Charismatic circles. Those who disbelieve it "neither know the scriptures nor the power of God." I say this to your shame, Irishman. Grow up. Time is short!

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

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@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

Vatican II: Council of Apostasy (full length)

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@2:44 - "he's not referring to the gift of tongues. What he's saying is language, and he's talking about liturgical language." This is a truly absurd interpretation. Where did you get this from? The context is clearly about the charisms, not about Greek dialects.

@user-pt2ss2zd3y Ай бұрын

Get off this channel

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@2:26 - Please apply this to yourself. All of your feigned knowledge is for nought since you have not charity.

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@@soniamartin2007 "the Church Fathers' understanding of the gift of tongues." Like St. Paul? He explains the gift of tongues with mocking it or referring to those who receive it as heretics. "Protestant 'gift of tongues....'jkodeefbvjtdsdttiohfdnnmouysdhkhhhhjhjjopplliugfscvjkhtjkyjk'." There is no "Protestant gift of tongues," and any language that one does not understand can sound like, "kjadfkdlafkjaodfpwojeijaj..." "A missionry priest..." So what?

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

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@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

Vatican II: Council of Apostasy (full length)

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@ just 35 SECONDS in, he once again falsely states that "Charismatics come from the heresy of Pentecostalism, so they don't know what they are talking about." What does "come from the heresy" even mean?

@joshuabussell4379 Ай бұрын

It means that the people who started the Catholic Charismatic movement acknowledge, openly, that they had a bunch of Pentecostals pay hands on them and pray for them to receive the Holy Spirit. That they were actively participating in the religious rites of Protestants with Protestants. That they got their theology from a Protestant book called, "The Cross and The Switchblade".

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

@@joshuabussell4379 So you know what he means? You are his interpreter? So then, in saying, "it means that the people who started the Catholic movement....," you mean to say that when he says "charismatics," he only means a handful of aging Catholics who were personally involved in the beginnings of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in the late 60s, and not, say, all charismatics, or all Catholic charismatics? Out of curiosity, how did you manage that interpretation of his babbling? I didn't know that "come from a heresy" meant that specifically. I thought it just sounded like the typical guilt-by-association smear that he always uses. But since he usually applies his smears to all charismatics, I don't quite see how you can claim to be interpreting him as only meaning to smear a handful of them. Who specifically are you and he referring to then? Who, as you claim, "had a bunch of Pentecostals pay hands on them..."? "That they were actively participating in the religious rites of Protestants with Protestants." Again, who specifically? And which 'rites'? So then, those who didn't do this do not "come from the heresy," such as me for instance? "That they got their theology from a Protestant book" Who is 'they' specifically? And what does "got their theology from" mean in this context? If a Protestant writes a book saying that Jesus is the Son of God, and you read it, does it then follow that you "got your theology from a Protestant book"? Are you aware that Kennedy was touting a Protestant author and reading his material - because it was anti-charismatic. Does this mean it's fair to say that Kennedy "got his theology from a Protestant book"? Yes or no, and why? Have you ever read any Protestant books? C. S. Lewis perhaps? Ever listened to a Protestant radio program or watched a Protestant TV program, listened to a podcast, seen a video clip? Just wondering if you view yourself and any others who may have been exposed to any Protestants in any contexts as having gotten their theology from Protestants.

@joshuabussell4379 Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsername I'm not going to read all of that. No I don't read any protestant books. No I don't subscribe to an 8th Sacrament known as the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

@jep6752 Ай бұрын

Hello there I am a recently confirmed Catholic who grew up in a pentecostal denomination. Perhaps we can chat about this.

@gracewhite1601 Ай бұрын

@@MillionthUsernamethe Roman Catholic Faith is the one true Faith, end of story

@MillionthUsername Ай бұрын

He starts off, yet again, blaspheming the Holy Spirit, saying, "hashamama," etc., making fun of the gift of tongues, calling it "babbling," when Sacred Scripture says that one who speaks in a tongue "speaks to God" and "utters mysteries in the Spirit."He makes no effort to make proper distinctions, which is absolutely required for rational thought and argument, but immediately and continually reverts to mockery when 'discussing' this issue. I invite you all to join me in soundly rebuke him for his vile behavior in posting all of these sensationalistic anti-Catholic, anti-charismatic videos. Enough already.

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

Watch video: The "Catholic" Charismatic Movement Exposed by Bro. Michael Dimond of Most Holy Family Monastery. If you have not watched it already. It is eye opening video definitely. Then after that think about movement as whole. It seems that it is necessary to post link of that video so people can see truth about charismatic movement. Truth about charismatic movement is much much worst then it seems at first, especially truth about charismatic movement is completely proven and demonstrated in that mentioned video.

@anzot6903 Ай бұрын

@@sedevacantistradthis guy is a troll - no use engaging, he's stuck.

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

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@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

try to debate Dimond brothers if you want. Nothing can be refuted in video called:The "Catholic" Charismatic Movement Exposed. No one can refute that.

@sedevacantistrad Ай бұрын

@@anzot6903 well I agree, it is no use engaging him for sure. I am only wasting my time with commenting to him