Anglican Unscripted 877 - Will the real Mary please stand up?

[@stanleystone8636]

Thankyou for speaking up for our minister Rev Brett Murphy He is a man of God and his persecution is dreadful

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Thanks for continuing to cover the debacle unfolding in the FCE brothers.

[@johnsbox]

Hi bros! Greetings from Poland. Yes, I'm Roman Catholic and love Anglican Unscripted. Mary can never be on equal par or higher than Jesus our Lord. We believe that she intercedes for us at our Saviour Jesus Christ. We seek her prayers and protection on our journery to heaven. Pope Francis should know she is our Mother NOT Sister. I love you both and rarely miss your episodes. I love Brett Murphy and support him and his family through this difficult time. I often tuned in the the services in Morcambe. See you again next week.

[@Doweunderstand6419]

Didnt Mary die? Cant see any point in praying to a dead person. (Refer to your bible for more info on the prohibition if contacting the dead). However, as Jesus rose again and is still alive, praying to Him and his Father makes absolute sense. Mary, no.

[@ianp.7536]

Blessings my friend- Pax Christi

[@gordoncarter7344]

@@Doweunderstand6419 The point is: Mary and her fellow Saints are not dead persons..they are ALIVE in Christ! We do not pray to dead persons.. we pray to our brothers and sisters,including the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God , the Christ. Gordon Carter. Adelaide. South Australia.

[@sandragrubham8076]

Totally agree the “climate change “ is a great lie, that the world, like c@vid has been deceived. As Jesus said ‘be sure no one deceives you’. End times gentlemen 💐🌹🤗

[@MaryAnnLaRue]

Thank you my friends!!

[@RichardDCook]

At 44:57 I'm in full agreement with you. I was raised Methodist, then began attending Episcopal services, before ultimately becoming Catholic. I, like many practicing Catholics, have reconciled my love for the Catholic faith to my underlying fundamentalism, rejecting anything contrary to scripture.

[@wemuk5170]

I have no problem with RCs and believe that some are saved if their hope & salvation is in Christ alone (Mary is no sinless Co-redemtrix redeeming them) whatever secondary doctrines they may believe. But Matthew 1:24-25 is a direct contradiction to the perpetual virginity teaching and psalm 14, 53 and Romans 3 teach that all have sinned and no one is good since Adam fell. Mary therefore has to be a sinner unless one ignores the clear teachings of Scripture. What Scripture informs cannot be contradicted by what may be purportedly implied or inferred by the popes. Nor can any pope be infallible by virtue of those same Scripture verses on universal sin. Except Christ which Scripture declares to be without sin.

[@RichardDCook]

@@wemuk5170 Exactly so. I do reject Papal Infallibility due to the obvious truth that no human is infallible. However fundamentalists do claim infallibility for a number of humans, which I also reject, those being the writers of the New Testament. The claim that their infallibility is due to them being guided by God could equally be claimed by (or for) any other human including a Pope.

[@jamesweldon5037]

I’ve been a Baptist and a conservative Presbyterian, the more I see of denominations that have Bishops (Methodists, Episcopal, Anglican) and what happens when you get bad ones and apparently can’t get rid of them the more I question why you would want to be in that kind of denomination. Not saying the others don’t have problems but you can usually get rid of them.

[@patriottex4813]

Unlike Evangelical denominations a bishop can help give a level of accountability and oversightt to keep pastors and priests from building kingdoms to themselves. 90 percent of the time it works great. I'd never go back to a denomination that doesn't have bishops.

[@robmarshall956]

@@royquick-s5nwhat denomination do you attend ?

[@robmarshall956]

@@royquick-s5n you like not answering questions Roy ) that’s a pretty deceptive fruit. 🙏

[@robmarshall956]

@@royquick-s5n mate I can’t be bothered ) you are just being allusive, your quite happy to ask people as you did last week but you ain’t happy to respond and be clear, it’s a sign of dodgy fruit Roy )

[@robmarshall956]

@@royquick-s5n I think you like to be deceptive Roy, this is a problem for you mate, I’m not here to cause trouble I simply asked a question of you as you did me last week ) that you need to dance around this shows what you are about , you simply have trouble being truthful and need to be deceptive instead of just being honest, that’s what’s going on here nothing to do with James comment at all.

[@martingerber8277]

Thank you for your kind presentation of Mary and my Catholic Church. You are Anglican and are presenting your Reformation theology. Catholics hold that salvation is from Christ alone. Mary, as Mother of God and Queen, subordinate to Jesus, holds the highest place of vernation, not adoration. She, as our Mother, intercedes for us at the throne of our Saviour and Lord Jesus. We seek her prayers and protection on our journery to heaven. May she lead us closer to Jesus now and at the hour of our death. Amen

[@marmeemarch7080]

Nothing that wasn't affirmed in the first millennium!

[@marmeemarch7080]

@royquick-s5n if you never ask your friends to pray for you or for the stuff going on in your life, then your argument makes sense.

[@marmeemarch7080]

@royquick-s5n don't be so quick to paint with broad strokes. As Treebeard said, don't be too hasty. If someone does practice a difference between veneration and adoration, it may be you'd need to see it to understand it. But there is a real difference.

[@bmbutler2]

The Bible says nothing about Mary interceding for us. And I can tell you from first hand experience - Mary is worshipped. And please answer the question about the missing true 2nd commandment in the Catholic Church.

[@martingerber8277]

Read John 21:25 if you hold Scripture alone. Re intercession of the saints, if you hold that is not right, why do you ask other to pray for you? Mary is, if you will, the leader of the prayer group. She joins us in our prayer for our needs and others. Don't ask your church to pray for you if you don't want the intercession of others. Just pray alone through Jesus and be done with it.

[@MichaelPetek]

80 per cent of the money that's voted for aid to Ukraine is spent in the United States on new equipment for the US military. Old equipment, that the US would have to decommission anyway, is sent to Ukraine.

[@royquick-s5n]

Does the U.S. involvement in the Ukraine have anything to do with the past activities of Biden's son in the Ukraine? Can it be said the Putin was eager to get involved in the way that the ethnic Russians were being treated in the Donetsk region? Has everybody forgotten that the admittedly corrupt government in Kiev had been waging a civil war with the ethnic Russians for eight or nine years before Putin got involved? Does not the way the Ukraine Church under the Russian patriarch is being treated confirm a prejudice, distain, bias against Ukrainians of Russian ethnicity?

[@jgcl138]

You are absolutely right.

[@taniaharrington4297]

Gaslighting isn't just lying - it's bullying through emotional blackmail, control etc. thereby causing fear and anxiety. 😊 And also, the U.S. is just as bad with group think. ❤

[@pamoliver5381]

Always enjoy your conversation. Greetings from Nova Scotia .. a child of the cloth!

[@mikecrees9715]

My son (2 busses and a train ) went down to Emanuel on Sunday and got there in time to see the kerfuffle. A most unsavoury business apparently, though thankfully he didn't smack the bloke (the bishop) but he did tell me that many de-camped to Bretts house to meet up there for at least some fellowship. So it even looks like Fenwick may even be a failure at his new profession of Church wrecker. What kind of witness and example to young Christians is this man? One of these days In going to take my 6 foot 5 250lbs to go see him if he ever pulls the heavy on my lad.

[@Dave-cf4xq]

He didn't call the transgender archdeacon a witch, his exact words were that he call him "a bloke".

[@kenbeach5021]

Brett Murphy shows he's not woke When he refers to a man as a bloke This particular archdeacon Is hardly a beacon But rather an unfunny joke.

[@RevBrettMurphy]

Yes that's correct I called Mann a bloke. I do sometimes discuss female ordination in relation to witchcraft too, that stirs up the woke liberals in the church a lot as well.

[@Dave-cf4xq]

And you're right on both accounts. He is a bloke and priestesses did not come from Christianity

[@marmeemarch7080]

​@@kenbeach5021niiice.

[@kenbeach5021]

​@@RevBrettMurphy I think you stir up the spiritual hosts of wickedness who are really behind all this!

[@Ozmulki]

Precisely… Fenwick has no accountability! Who’s watching the ‘watchman’? There is no Archbishop. This guy seems to be a law unto himself. Earlier we heard that he is no ‘bishop’ but a Presbyter only and on level with his fellow presbyters.

[@TheDuncanmacster]

Time for am investigative journalist to have a look at the Free Church of England.

[@johnhudghton3535]

"All Creatures Great and Small was rural Yorkshire". The Church building in question with the heating issue is St.John The Baptist, Tideswell, Derbyshire. It is a grand gothic cathedra-esque building, indeed carrying the well deserved nick-name "The Cathedral of The Peak". I used to be in the same Deanery as that church when I was Team Rector in Buxton. It is in a very high, cold, wet place and it needs a good heating system. Beyond that I could not possibly comment because of legal restrictions.

[@marcokite]

***It is truly meet to bless you, O Theotokos, ever-blessed and most pure, and the Mother of our God. More honorable than the Cherubim, and more glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, without defilement you gave birth to God the Word. True Theotokos we magnify you!*** ☦☦☦☦☦☦☦

[@kenbeach5021]

Me thinketh thou dost protest a tad too much! 🙂

[@davidmorrison2739]

Mary was a sinner in need of a Saviour, just like the rest of us.

[@marmeemarch7080]

​@davidmorrison2739 but she received that Savior, and is "now" glorified and interceding for us!

[@marmeemarch7080]

Amen!

[@davidmorrison2739]

@@marmeemarch7080 I doubt whether Mary has any idea of what is happening on earth, whatever her state as she awaits the resurrection.

[@johnjon1823]

As a Catholic I can tell you that nobody in his right mind would have a problem calling Mary our sister in the faith, because she is that. I think the upset may be that she is often called Mother Mary; it is her motherhood of the Lord that is emphasized, and since Jesus is our brother she is also our mother in that way as well as at the cross, there being ZERO siblings of Jesus to take care of Mary, she was, quite sensibly given to John, and since she was called by Christ from the cross: Woman, in reference to Eve, and John called the disciple, in reference to disciples generally, it is taken that she is now mother of all the disciples. There are all kinds of ways to think and all kinds of titles used for her, sister is just triggering to some because Francis is kind of a troll. As for the co-redemptrix thing, that's a theological construct espoused by some in which Mary's suffering at the time she was there at the cross with Jesus was united to His passion and cross, in full surrender of all to the will of the Father. My understanding of it is that it is not somehow that she saved anything, but that she offered herself with Christ. Inasmuch as Christ this very day allows and in fact expects all Christians to unite their own sufferings to His One and only redemption of us on the cross. This is inherent in "picking up your cross every day" as Jesus said. Since the head, Jesus is crucified, so the body, the church. Inasmuch as we unite our suffering to His, we do indeed fill up as St. Paul says, that which was lacking in His offering. This is because ONLY WE as individuals can offer our crosses to the Lord, that is what Paul refers to, since in fact nothing is lacking in His perfect sacrifice on His part. In that sense, her suffering was redemptive as is ours. He allows us to tack it on His work. He calls us each to be another Christ.

[@richardroberts1171]

US military do not use AK 47’s

[@mraNewfoundland]

I am a Canadian and yes that popped out at me too, I was thinking it should be the M16 (C 7 in Canada) but then again that just could be Russian miss information.

[@nigelbamber202]

I can no longer attend the apostate C of E and looking at alternatives in the uk I now feel I must sadly no longer be an Anglican

[@TheAnglicanNazarene]

The guard is most certainly not carrying an AK-47. He is carrying an M4. American military do not issue Soviet made weapons. Especially not in garrison.

[@KevinKallsen]

They issues M4/M4A1 5.56mm carbine like the one Kevin owns. However, with an international audience it was best to use the visual of a AK as most know what it refers to around the world

[@TheAnglicanNazarene]

@@KevinKallsen Fair point

[@PP266]

Billy Idol is 68 and having the time of his life. Raised in a religious Anglican home, doesn't like any religion (has called Christ a fellow punk rocker). But God loves him a lot, he avoided dead more times a than an Ukrainian veteran soldier in Donbas. And he used often to play with the religious imaginary. But if Idol is problematic in any sense being old punker who's having fun.

[@davidmorrison2739]

The head of the UN said that "we are living through climate collapse in real time". The sad thing is that many people think he was saying something sensible when in fact his statement is meaningless nonsense.

[@MichaelReilly-r7h]

Our Francis is long since entered into Apostacy. Not to be taking seriously but dangerous to the sheep.

[@MichaelReilly-r7h]

@@royquick-s5n No credit due

[@fionaharland153]

PS Guys, Brett went to Ridley College, the evangelical college in Melbourne. Perhaps, the small size of the Free Church of England says something about why he was sacked. I pray he sees Bishop Andy Lines from Gafcon as they are always church planting, although he does seem to be a bit high church, so who knows!

[@k3grappler]

Andy Lines 'high' church? He didn't even wear a mitre at his consecration.

[@wemuk5170]

GEORGE is absolutely right! Shame on both Canterbury & my former old church, ASLP: God’s church is a house of prayer and worship, not for entertainment. And shame on Charlie Skrine, too, if he didn’t scream blue murder.

[@petros810]

The reason why I as an Anglican I believe in bishops is because that exactly the form of church govt you had for the first 1600 years. Even during Arian controversy where the majority of bishops were arians nobody at the time including athanius where dear call for the end of bishops. Your question is grounded on American pragmatism and not on sound biblical and historical ecclesiology.

[@rogeronthesouthfork175]

Thank you for telling the truth. Very sad.

[@lindam5512]

The virgin birth and immaculate conception are two different things. The Immaculate Conception is the belief that the Mary was conceived and born without the stain of original sin, it has nothing to do with whether she ever had sex. She boar her son, God the Son, so is obviously the God Bearer. As such, blessed among women and graced with a unique role in bringing about our salvation by contributing her flesh/DNA to Jesus and carrying God in her body. Staggering thought! As for Francis using the term sister, Jesus is called our brother is He not? We are adopted heirs of God the Father. Yet Jesus is also God and Lord. Mary, is an adopted child of God saved through Christ, therefore our sister, yet also the mother of our Lord and appointed by Him (says the Church of Rome) to be our mother too. She is both. This shouldn't be causing any sort of storm - except that anything Francis says is parsed for the least charitable interpretation.

[@gordoncarter7344]

Excellent response! For the priests,sisters and brothers in the Carmelite Order, which evolved on Mount Carmel in the Holy Land in the late 12th century, Mary has always been recognized as more sister than mother or Queen. Gordon Carter. Adelaide. South Australia.

[@altowood9724]

I'm an Anglican and my belief has always been that Mary was a virgin until she gave birth to Jesus.

[@KevinKallsen]

Correct: Matthew 1:25 confirms that Joseph and Mary did not "Know", :) until after Jesus was born.

[@emetahava]

Miryam her name was.

[@altowood9724]

@@emetahava , that's her Hebrew (Jewish) name correct?

[@patrickwalker4259]

Thanks Kevin and George good subjects discussed Im learning great stuff, stay blessed ✝️🕎✡️🙏❤

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

Its okay fellas. I will ask Holy Mother Mary Our Lady of Good Help to pray to her Son for you. Maranatha

[@donaldveitch2158]

Helpful commentary.

[@seyedabbass3843]

And the gates of hell shall not prevail, AMEN

[@robertirwin7644]

I wondered what the problem was with Boeing. What you said about DEI makes sense.

[@mhasslacher]

I doubt the Navy issues AK-47s..

[@ATVMinistries]

They issues M4/M4A1 5.56mm carbine like the one Kevin owns. However, with an international audience it was best to use the visual of a AK as most know what it refers to around the world.

[@787Earl]

God bless you, thank you

[@caterinemasak2193]

Francis by starting messes in the Church has himself become a mess.

[@Anna-jg5br]

Obviously she is not adored by Catholics. I honour her as the earthly mother of Jesus. He would have learned from her the stories of his Jewish heritage as all Jewish mothers traditionally performed this task. In John’s gospel Jesus worked his first ‘sign’ or miracle at her remark, “They have no wine”. Jesus acted upon her statement which wasn’t a request even though ‘ His hour had not come’. She was so confident He would act on her observation that Mary told the servants to do exactly what Jesus said. Of course I ask God directly in the name of Jesus for needs - I also ask Mary on occasion to join her prayer with mine. I see nothing wrong with that and I shall continue as it bears fruit!

[@francislyons774]

Vatican II moves Mary from soteriology to ecclesiology. Francis is just supporting that.

[@1984isHereNow]

Englands greatest cathedral, Durham has silent discos, yoga, harry potter events and pop concerts.

[@thomasyeutter1112]

The only concert that should occur in a Church Building is a concert that features Anglican Chant and/or Gregorian Chanting of the Psalter.

[@johnrogers5399]

And Praise to the One True God I'd Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

[@annakimborahpa]

1. George at 40:24-36: "Traditionally Catholics have taken that from the passage in the Gospel where Jesus on the cross and says to the beloved disciple John 'behold MY mother'. Response: John 19:26-27 (KJV): When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, "Woman, behold thy son!" Then He said to the disciple, “Behold YOUR mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. 2. George at 41:03-23: "Francis, in summing up, said that we need to follow Mary, our sister in the faith, leading the way, not our mother in the faith, not the mother of us all, but our sister in the faith which is a mainstream Anglican understanding." Response: A. Matthew 12:50 (KJV): "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my BROTHER, and SISTER, and MOTHER." B. Luke 11:27-28 (KJV): And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, "Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked." But he said, "Yea rather, BLESSED ARE THEY THAT HEAR THE WORD OF GOD, AND KEEP IT." C. Luke 1:39-48: And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. AND BLESSED IS SHE THAT BELIEVED: FOR THERE SHALL BE A PERFORMANCE OF THOSE THINGS WHICH WERE TOLD HER FROM THE LORD." And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: FOR BEHOLD, FROM HENCEFORTH ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED." 3. And if the King James Bible was good enough for St. John, St Matthew and St. Luke ...

[@georgeconger2850]

Behold thy mother

[@marmeemarch7080]

Keep that KJV comin'!

[@nickyc98]

Pope Paul VI called her our SISTER in an Apostolic Constitution in 1973, saying: “Mary in fact is one of our race, a true daughter of Eve; though free of that mother’s sin. And truly our sister, who as a poor and humble woman fully shared our lot.” Traditionalists lost the plot DECADES ago, Francis has said NOTHING NEW here. Pope Francis acknowledges that Mary is our Mother, and he created a feast day commemorating her as Mary, Mother of the Church in 2018. This isn’t an either/or thing, she is mother and she is sister. These traditionalists are uncharitable in their interpretation of the Holy Father’s every sentence. Don’t spend too much time listening to them, guys!

[@emetahava]

Miryam her name was and she was a sinner like us both.

[@cdy1952]

The immaculate conception and assumption of Mary bodily into heaven can be proven even by RC Church historians to be later accretions not believed or universally accepted by the earliest Church Fathers and Doctors nor in the earliest Church Councils.

[@monicabrewster2476]

Britain is in tatters, as Ursula van de Leyen would say 😂

[@wemuk5170]

True, but so is the EU and especially France who according to Anglican Unscripted, mocked God in both the opening and closing ceremonies of the recent Olympics.

[@marmeemarch7080]

80s Night should'a been Petra, the Second Chapter of Acts, Keith Green, Don Francisco's "He's Alive," maybe Steve Taylor. . .

[@archdeaconwebb]

Nothing can start a fight amongst Christians faster than a debate about Mary 😢. Jesus not Mary is Lord.

[@kenbeach5021]

I think it often delineates Christians i.e. followers of _Christ_ from religious persons.

[@marmeemarch7080]

Nobody is calling her that. To call her the Theotokos is to affirm that she was the mother of Jesus and that He was and is God.

[@stufen11]

Name one Catholic who claims Mary to be Lord.

[@PalermoTrapani]

@@marmeemarch7080 Correct, all the Apostolic Churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox) and yes Assyrian Church of the East now Hold to the Council of Ephesus in 431 AD. The Assyrian Church of the East which went into Schism at Ephesus in 431 AD signed a Christological Declaration with the Catholic Church under Pope John Paul II on 11 November 1994. Accordingly, according to Canon 844, the Catholic Church allows members of the Assyrian Church of the East to partake of Holy Communion in a Catholic parish if they do not have access to the Eucharist from a priest of the Assyrian Church of the East. Cheers and God Bless

[@marmeemarch7080]

@royquick-s5n ah, yes, Queen of Heaven. There's Old Testament meaning behind that. Not sure I can summarize the reasoning in a comment. It relates to the Divine Council imagery.

[@MichaelReilly-r7h]

Yes ! I am mad at you but I still like.

[@annakimborahpa]

1. Since there has been a stream of comments about Mary, the mother of Jesus, in response to this Anglican Unscripted video #877 - Will the real Mary please stand up?, I would like to solicit any information regarding Simeon's prophecy when Joseph and Mary presented Jesus in the temple according to the Gospel of Luke 2:34-35 (KJV): And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, "Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed." 2. What is this sword Simeon is speaking of that will pierce the soul of Mary? 3. And as always, if the King James Bible was good enough for St. Luke ...

[@tombretislow7091]

On the subject of Mary I'd like to hear Kevin explain why he thinks Fatima was a fake. This is something he said on another video.

[@tombretislow7091]

@@royquick-s5n Yes I know, but if there is a good reason to regard Fatima as fake I want to know what it is.

[@stuartwilliams3164]

Sounds like A NICOLAITAN Bishop

[@sjoerdpasterkamp9826]

nicolaitan is claudian

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

Yes, Jesus wouldn’t honor His Mother as much as He did Elijah and Enoch. No body or shrine exists for Mary ever to have suggest the Church being aware she was buried. Surely there is no evidence St John’s Mother isn’t bodily in Heaven Rev 11:19 - Rev 12:14-17. John 2:4 - John 19:27 - Rev 12:1 Stong’s 1135 I wonder when John wrote these books? Maranatha

[@bobjepsen4804]

Anglicans are not "sola scriptura". The ACNA believes in Scripture and the first 5 centuries of the ecumenical councils(tradition). The Assumption of Mary was believed as early as the 5th century and the earliest teahings. Revelation 12 depicts Mary as reigning in heaven as fully glorified which is our destiny as believers. Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church to learn the truth of what she believes. It clearly states that we are saved only through the saving of Jesus Christ on the Cross. FYI, both Luther and Calvin believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary.

[@royquick-s5n]

Do not Anglicans generally respect and support Article VI of the Articles of Religion?🤔

[@martinploughboy988]

Article 6 of the 39 Articles pretty much summarises sola scriptura: "Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation." Councils, being man made are, unlike Scripture, fallible. Nor does it matter what men believe, our authority is Scripture & Scripture speaks of Jesus' brothers & sisters in a way that makes it clear they were children of Mary. The cult of Mary did appear quite early, but has no basis in Scripture. Revelation 12 is talking of the Church, the Bride of Christ, not Mary.

[@annakimborahpa]

I would like to solicit any information you may have regarding Simeon's prophecy when Joseph and Mary presented Jesus in the temple according to the Gospel of Luke 2:34-35 (KJV): And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, "Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed." What is this sword Simeon is speaking of that will pierce the soul of Mary? Shouldn't there be an explanation of this prophecy after 2,000 years?

[@martinploughboy988]

@@annakimborahpa I'd expect that Jesus' death on the cross fit's the criteria.

[@annakimborahpa]

1. Thank you for the courtesy of your reply, the content of which is consistent with Roman Catholic tradition. 2. In the first two stanzas of 13th century Latin hymn 'Stabat Mater Dolorosa', Mary, the mother of Jesus, at the foot of the cross receives a sword of sorrow and anguish into her heart from her Son, thereby linking the Crucified Saviour with the sword: "At the cross her station keeping, Stood the mournful Mother weeping, Close to Jesus to the last. Through her heart, His sorrow sharing, All His bitter anguish bearing, Now at length the sword had pass'd." [Catholic Culture Org /culture/liturgicalyear/prayers/view.cfm?id=774] 3. Is there anything anywhere in the Anglican tradition that supports your "I'd expect that Jesus' death on the cross fits the criteria"? 4. Also, your 'expectation' involves deductive reasoning, since there is no mention of a sword in the four gospel accounts of Jesus' death on the cross. Is there anywhere in scripture supporting your 'expectation' where Jesus Christ is specifically identified with a sword?

[@stufen11]

I thought a war would be a state of emergency. So how do you afford a luxury vehicle, to drive around Russian bomb craters. Is Mary, not in every Christmas Nativity scene , in hymns, such as Away in a Manger etc. Was she not at the foot of the cross. What about Madonna's greatest hits album 'The Immaculate Collection'. Uurgh! Phew!

[@johnsandeman4465]

Regarding the uncripted report of David sping's arrest. It would have been a more well-rounded report of it had included IMHO two salient facts. 1) Spring pled guilty 2) He also apoligised for his actions. "Defending, Piers Kiss-Wilson said his client David Spring is ashamed of his actions. 'The defendant asked me to put forward his apologies to the court and he says he is embarrassed by his behaviour and he is ashamed by it," he said."He wants to apologise to his family and friends and his wife who don't deserve this." IMHO Spring yelled the equivelent of "fire" in a crowded theatre. We can question the sentencing, but the arrest would seem to have some justification.

[@emetahava]

UNITED KINGDOM not England!!!!

[@HB-iq6bl]

hello from NZ

[@SaintAidansMission]

You Lads are fair with everything you say. my view REC should step in and take over FCE. Yes I know they have no control lol

[@johnreuben1970]

The Olena Zelenska Bugatti story is Russian propaganda and it doesn’t take much effort to find that out.

[@1984isHereNow]

Except the receipt was published on line, I cant post the screen shot here.

[@RaymondCopplestone]

I have recently advised my "followers" saying that parents should not allow their children to attend a Taylor Swift event. RayJC UK

[@Martin_Adams184]

Your comments about the many morally questionable aspects of Ukraine's government and other authorities are a welcome moderator to the simplistic good-guys (Ukraine) versus bad-guys (Russia) perspective taken by most Western news outlets and analysis. Even a Ukrainian nurse whom I met around a year ago complained about that perspective, saying that the subject is far more complicated than is generally reported in the West. And that is NOT to imply that Russia's invasion is anything other than barbarous and reprehensible. However, the story about Mrs Zelensky's Bugatti has been widely discredited. Reuters, fullfact, and factcheck, are just three of many organisations that report the story as originating in a Russian-run disinformation website. Moreover, and as the last of these three organisations recounts in some detail, the Paris-based car dealership ostensibly involved has vehemently asserted the falsity of the story, with back-up documentation and critiques of the paperwork that purports to prove the purchase. The Russians have always been masters of disinformation. (I speak as a Russophile, at least as far as literature, music and architecture are concerned.) It took me about five minutes to check-out the veracity of this Bugatti story; and it quickly became obvious that it is, at the very least, questionable -- the latest in a long line of slurs (mostly discredited) implying personal enrichment by the Zelenskys. So it would be better to report the story as a claim rather than a fact. If we present such misinformation as fact, we play into the Russians' hands and join the long line of those whom the Russians and others call "useful idiots." That said, it is sadly true that in Ukraine corruption is endemic and profoundly embedded. The Ukrainian nurse I spoke to admitted as much.

[@alan-muscat]

This is sensible reporting. George you need to learn from it. The number of times you guys have given inaccurate information, I have lost count; you can't keep peddling inaccuracies and half truths.

[@emetahava]

Nice music!!! Pet Shop Boys!!!

[@emetahava]

BRITISH!!!!!

[@emetahava]

BRITISH AND BRITAIN!!! IT OUTLIVES ENGLAND AND ENGLISH!! GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT.

[@Jay-d4t5m]

Miriam (Mary) is actually crucial to God's plan of salvation. Because Yeshua (Jesus) birth is not through a human paternal line. The vital lineage comes through Miriam...she combines the lines of Aaron the High Priest through Zadok from her Mother Anna Joseph the suffering Messiah through Omri King of Ephraim, and King David through her father Joachim. So Miriam is actually a princess of Israel from royal and priestly lineage. Miriam was selected by God very carefully to bring all these lines together into his son Yeshua. So protestants and catholics alike should venerate God's choice in Miriam.

[@stephend7420]

There's a good book "Mary in the New Testament" by Joseph Fitzmeyer and Raymond E. Browne (both world-ranking Catholic bible scholars) and other authors.

[@williamwilkes503]

And yet another by Jaroslav Pelican. (Pelican is the notable church historian and former Lutheran who, together with his wife entered the Orthodox Church in their later years)

[@albertito77]

Revelation called the Woman of Rev12 the Ark of the Covenant

[@PalermoTrapani]

I think that was Revelation 11:19 which is seen as Mary, as early as Saint Irenaeus of Lyons writing 175-180 AD, the Virgin Mary was already in His Recapitulation Theory of the Atonement as both the "New or Second Eve" and the "Ark of the Covenant". In the Catholic Liturgy using the 1970 Roman Missal, the reading from Revelation was Rev 11:19 to 12:1-6. Cheers

[@martinploughboy988]

@@PalermoTrapani Which demonstrates nothing more than that Irenaeus believed it.

[@PalermoTrapani]

@@martinploughboy988 Well it also shows he was integrated into the Western Church. That it does demonstrate!

[@martinploughboy988]

@@PalermoTrapani If you're saying that Irenaeus was part of the Western Church, so what?

[@PalermoTrapani]

@@martinploughboy988 Well lets be even more specific, although it might get deleted, he had a high, high, high view of Primacy of the Church of Rome thus the Bishop of Rome. Cheers and God Bless

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

Misandry. I wonder how many people are even aware this word exists?

[@jesuslovesaves2682]

Is their a female Imam of a Mosque any where?

[@johnhudghton3535]

The same carbon footprint effect regarding church heating could be achieved by about 8 families giving up keeping large dogs as pets. We have an epidemic of multiple dog ownership in the UK - if church officers are so concerned for "carbon footprint" why not talk about dogs? An average-sized dog generates 770 kg of CO2e, and an even bigger dog can emit upwards of 2,500 kilograms of CO2e, which is twice as much as the emissions deriving from an average family car per year. A large church carbon footprint is about 19600 kg of CO2. Do the math(s). Why are church eco officers and all the other " green agenda " people not talking about the dog issue when it comes to CO2 issues - if you really do believe in that stuff Heck, you could make a difference by swapping your large dog for a small dog. It really is stupidity.

[@marmeemarch7080]

There's a small farming company in Cornwall or Devon that has figured out how to turn the CO2 from cow patties into fuel for their machines, to the point of negative carbon footprint numbers. Something to smile about.

[@martinploughboy988]

Nowt wrong with CO2, it makes plants grow.

[@johnhudghton3535]

@@martinploughboy988 I agree with you. I am merely criticising the foolishness a d inconsistency of the so called "environmental officers" of the C of E.

[@marmeemarch7080]

@johnhudghton3535 foolishness -- more like pridefulness, that they think people not trained in any science or gifted in statesmanship should go around telling people how to be more "environmental."

[@harrparr8988]

11:24 ""We believe in accountability," Kevin declares, just ten minutes after labeling everyone who disagrees with him as a troll.

[@KevinKallsen]

Where is the time stamp where Kevin calls "EVERYONE" a troll?

[@harrparr8988]

@@KevinKallsen You didn't have to say it. It was implicit. The point is that talking about trolls is shorthand for saying that you only want comments from people who agree with you. That's the opposite of accountability.

[@KevinKallsen]

@@harrparr8988 So then we delete comments from Trolls? No. Anybody can comment here and I said we don't have time to comment on everything and some are trolls: Define online Troll: An online troll is a person who deliberately posts provocative, inflammatory, or off-topic messages in online communities, such as social media, forums, or comment sections, with the intention of provoking emotional responses, disrupting discussions, or causing conflict. Trolls often seek to gain attention, amuse themselves, or create discord by targeting individuals or groups with controversial or offensive content. Their behavior is generally considered disruptive and harmful to constructive online communication.

[@williamwilkes503]

Of course. Kevin and George have always branded their critics as either trolls or cranks. That's old news

[@roberthilsdon3900]

Hi I gave up cable for 5g and have better and faster Internet.

[@chunton3820]

Kevin, AK KUH KEEK

[@marmeemarch7080]

May the blessed parish of Christ Church Accokeek be ever free from stormtrooping suffragans.

[@chunton3820]

Christ Church Accokeek has a long history of brave witness to our Lord and the Gospel. Principled and courageous parishioners strong in the faith were unwavering, and the gifted clergy leadership of Stephen Arpee for 6 years and of Brian Vander Wel from 2007 through the present has been crucial. I joined the parish a few months after Bishop Dixon's attempts to take over. Our Lord will judge her, just as He will judge each of us flawed people. I am very grateful for her pastoral attention to dear elderly St Alban's parishioner friends of mine some years before she became a bishop. May God have mercy on all of us, and RIP Jane Dixon.

[@alanbiddle]

Think "Tongue in cheek" before you pronounce Accokeek, and it will come out about right.

[@marmeemarch7080]

@@chunton3820 that's very nice to hear.

[@brianpriestboy]

Thank you Kevin, Chris, and others for your kind words for us at Christ Church in Accokeek, ("tongue in cheek" / AK - kuh - keek). We are happily a member congregation of the Diocese of the Mid-Atlantic in the ACNA after an amicable separation with TEC and the Diocese of Washington in April 2021. (May God bless Bishop Marian Budde in her kindness, generosity and personal integrity in the manner in which she made our agreement possible.) We are deeply grateful for our most excellent bishop, The Right Rev. Chris Warner. I suspect "stormtrooping suffragans" / bishops pro tempore (whatever they are, canonically) are in the rear view mirror for a while. As a parish established in 1698, I would say we are off to a pretty good start. The Lord be praised! -- Father Brian

[@jjrgj]

As a Catholic listener I think it is required to believe that Mary was assumed into heaven but there is an unresolved question as to whether she was dead or not when she was assumed. You can have your own opinion on that if you want. :) You know, there is the commandment about honoring your father and mother. I would ask you in what ways Jesus honored his mother.

[@marmeemarch7080]

I think the doctrine of Assumption says that she was alive (never died), and the Eastern Orthodox doctrine of her Dormition says that she died ("fell asleep") but then was taken up into heaven and glorified. But the Eastern Orthodox sometimes don't like to pin things down in a legal-code way; "it's a mystery," they say, and leave it at that.

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@marmeemarch7080nope. Assumed either alive or dead.

[@jjrgj]

@@royquick-s5n OK, but how? Did Jesus just NOT honor his father and mother? In the Bible it appears that he insulted her more than once instead of honoring her. Something else must be going on here. The Catholics have an answer to this question but what is yours?

[@marmeemarch7080]

@anthonyhulse1248 thanks for the clarification.

[@jjrgj]

@@royquick-s5n The Catholic Church does not say Mary and Joseph are deities. But you still have not answered my question. :) TIA

[@johnhudghton3535]

No it will not be an AK47. I thought you Republicans knew about guns? 😂😂😂

[@jamesweldon5037]

lol, I laughed when he said that. Obviously not a gun guy. Probably an AR.

[@ATVMinistries]

They issues M4/M4A1 5.56mm carbine like the one Kevin owns. However, with an international audience it was best to use the visual of a AK as most know what it refers to around the world.

[@fionaharland153]

You guys never answer me so I didn't know I was a troll! I do get a bit hot under the collar when you guys talk American politics! I think US politics is pretty extreme and divisive and probably best left alone!

[@darylmulwane3430]

Things are falling into place.

[@williamwilkes503]

Of course Mary is our sister; because she is a a member of the human family. She is also our mother because of her unique cooperation in our redemption. The Undivided Church proclaimed Mary as Theotokos - Mother of God - at the Council of Ephesus in the 5th century. So...Francis did not err in referring to her as our sister. He would surely acknowledge her as Mother of God also. This talk is much to do about nothing.

[@marmeemarch7080]

I thought Billy Idol became a US citizen in 2018?

[@marcokite]

When the woman in the crowd shouted 'blessed is the womb that bore thee and the breast from which you suckled...' the Lord replies 'yes' (i.e He agreed) which doesn't always come out in the English translation. He then said 'more blessed are they who hear the word of God and keep it', He was here pointing to His Holy Mother, the Blessed Virgin was chosen BECAUSE she 'heard the word of God and kept it'. Don't think George does theology.

[@georgeconger2850]

Not a universal understanding by any means. Raymond Brown, the RC, NT scholar urges caution with these extra scriptural interpretations

[@gordoncarter7344]

@@georgeconger2850 NO..he didn't George. GCC

[@georgeconger2850]

@@gordoncarter7344 I disagree. For example Brown urges caution with the Mary full of grace language of the annunciation, p326-7 from the Birth of the Messiah. It’s currently usage is foreign to the Greek text of Luke

[@johngillatt2740]

Will Labour have a next election?

[@marcokite]

Poor George mentions St Athanasius and states that P.F. is sort of preaching as he did. OK - a prayer of that Saint; 'Mother of God and our Queen, come to our aid'. He said the Holy Virgin was 'greater than any other greatness' and greater than the Cherubim, Archangels and Angels etc etc. Alas! George and the Fathers of the Church don't seem to come together that much!

[@georgeconger2850]

Athanasius used the language Francis used. No one claimed that was all he said on this issue.

[@harrparr8988]

55:10 Kevin: "The climate has changed daily, hourly". Wikipedia:"Climate is the long-term weather pattern in a region, typically averaged over 30 years" How can you say climate change is a fraud when you don't even know what the word means? Go on, call me a troll why don't you. It's easier than learning what words actually mean.

[@KevinKallsen]

You are correct Climate is the long-term pattern of weather conditions in a particular region, including factors like temperature, humidity, wind, and precipitation, typically averaged over a period of 30 years or more.

[@HB-iq6bl]

Rev calvin robinson is leaving the UK

[@tombretislow7091]

as to those women whose disobedience you fear, then admonish them and sleep apart from them, and beat them Ayah an-Nisa` (Women) 4:34

[@brotherathelstan8818]

Thank you, gentlemen, for another excellent episode! Upsetting the RC's (as evidenced here by certain comments) has always been an unfortunate, yet unsurprising reaction to the divinely inspired Anglican Church!

[@anthonyhulse1248]

Henry VIII was divinely inspired? 🤣🤣🤣

[@gordoncarter7344]

@@anthonyhulse1248 Anthony I presumed he was joking! Poor Henry, divorced his wife Catherine, married his mistress then beheaded her..!! .suppressed more than 800 abbeys, monasteries, convents and priories in England and Wales....wasted the wealth on his favourites and a useless war with France. What sick man. GCC

[@williamwilkes503]

Which Anglican Church? I think there were at least four competitors at last count and a new one might see coming down the road any day?

[@marcokite]

George says, re; the Marian dogmas, that he uses (among other things) 'human reason'. I think George listens to Richard Dawkins way too much.

[@georgeconger2850]

The three legged stool by which Anglicans do theology is Scripture, tradition and reason.

[@marmeemarch7080]

Huh?

[@anthonyhulse1248]

@@georgeconger2850they need to make sure that the stool is the right way up.

[@MichaelReilly-r7h]

oops like you

[@emetahava]

They have made Mary (Miryam real name) an IDOL.

[@sjoerdpasterkamp9826]

Agrippina minor. mary the elder ; Agrippina maior

[@marcokite]

Kevin please try to have SOME respect when talking of the Panagia, don't just say 'Mary' for goodness sake. Say 'Mother of God' or 'All Holy' or 'Our Lady' or 'Blessed Virgin' or 'Holy Mary' or some such. On the subject, Kevin stated she is the 'Mother of Jesus', (I think he means the LORD Jesus CHRIST, but with Kevin, who knows?) - so she is but - OVER AND ABOVE anything she is MOTHER OF GOD, why did Kevin never use that title? Anyone who denies that she is the Theotokos is NOT a Christian as they therefore deny Christ. Insisting on 'Mother of Jesus' to the exclusion of 'Mother of God' is heresy, as taught since the Council of Ephesus.

[@georgeconger2850]

Foolishness and idolatry

[@marmeemarch7080]

​@@georgeconger2850nah. Not idolatry. I mean, the actual historic teachings, not the way they were stretched beyond their original form.

[@gordoncarter7344]

@@georgeconger2850 George I have mostly liked what you have said in the past ..but...I must agree with @marcokite. The Fathers of the Council of Ephesus would agree..if you do not believe that Mary is the Mother of Jesus..who is the Son of God..and that she is therefore the Mother of God, (obviously not of God the Father!) then I'm afraid, 'marcokite' is correct. GCC.

[@georgeconger2850]

@@gordoncarter7344 Yes, I hold to the creedal formularies about Mary. Never said otherwise. What I reject are the post apostolic innovations that have no scriptural warrant. Unfortunately there is no ready solution to this issue. Those who believe the RC church speaks infallibly will hold to one view. Those who are of the "prima scriptural" -- the Anglican way which is not sola scriptural which some allege -- viewpoint will see the excessive adulation of Mary as idolatry. The key words are excessive adulation -- some who object to the Anglican way say it is all or nothing -- the four Marian dogmas, putting her between the believer and God as a mediator and so forth -- when it is a rejection of the first part.

[@marcokite]

Poor muddled George says that Mary All Holy is not mentioned by St Paul, well the Theotokos is mentioned plenty in St Luke's Gospel, who was St Luke? A disciple of St Paul - the Gospel would have been written with St Paul's blessing and probably guidance.

[@georgeconger2850]

Kindly show where the apostle Paul refers to Mary in Scripture? My memory does not bring up any references. The question of Paul blessing Luke’s Gospel does come up against the problem that Paul was dead for at least 20 years before Luke’s gospel was written

[@stevelinley1073]

@@georgeconger2850 Was he? Then surely Luke would have mentioned his death in Acts, which he wrote after writing his Gospel.

[@georgeconger2850]

Luke’s gospel was written between 80 and 110 AD. Paul died between 60 and 65 AD. At this time this is the commonly held scholarly consensus. But these dates ate not set in stone. Paul’s death is pretty tightly bound by the persecutions of the Claudian emperors. The thinking at present is that Luke drew upon Mark and other sources

[@stevelinley1073]

@@georgeconger2850 I know all that. Scholarly consensus (an argumentum ad populum and appeal to authority) is the tradition of man and neither authoritative nor normative. What are the merits of the argument? Daniel Wallace (inter alia) makes (IMO) a compelling case for early dating of all of the New Testament rather than the late dating so beloved of secular scholars/critics.

[@georgeconger2850]

A matter then of opinion as you say as to whom to believe

[@MichaelPetek]

Co-Redemptrix means that the act of redemption wrought by Christ was done, and by law had to be done, in the presence of Mary. Deuteronomy 12 requires offerings to be made only in the place the LORD chooses as a home for His Name. Consider that the Divine Name is embedded in the names of each of the men who were responsible for her during her life. As to perpetual virginity, Mark chapter 6 mentions the brothers of Jesus. It also names Philip Herod and Herod Antipas as brothers, though Josephus tells us that they had different mothers.

[@davidmorrison2739]

Unless someone can prove otherwise, there is no reason for believng that Joseph and Mary didn't have a normal marriage relationship after the birth of Jesus. The birth narrative certainly implies that they would have a normal marriage.

[@davidmorrison2739]

@@royquick-s5n And it does great dishonour to our Lord.

[@marmeemarch7080]

​@@davidmorrison2739apparently the early Fathers didn't see it that way. But nor did they make her perpetual virginity a point in the Creeds. I think some of the beliefs about her should be considered adiaphora, the ones not referred to in the Creeds or Scriptures.

[@MichaelPetek]

@@royquick-s5n The role of Jesus and that of Mary in redemption are not interchangeable, any more than are the roles of a man and a woman in the transmission of life. The commandment of the Torah for the Passover sacrifice is that the people must hold a sacred assembly. So, it's not Jesus on his own, but Jesus in the presence of Mary - and then Jesus in the presence of Mary and those to whom it is given to share her faith. Have you noticed that (the Transfiguration excepted) Jesus reveals His glory only in the presence of Mary?

[@MichaelPetek]

@@davidmorrison2739 Jerome, Against Helvidius: "21. But as we do not deny what is written, so we do reject what is not written. We believe that God was born of the Virgin, because we read it. That Mary was married [sic] after she brought forth, we do not believe, because we do not read it."

[@PeterForster-f6t]

You are unfair to Bishop Lane, and perhaps abusive in calling her ‘dumb’. She is required to obtain safeguarding clearance before making any appointment, and to act with regard to that advice. In relation to the fabric of churches she has no formal role. She would not be able to sit on the diocesan fabric committee, which offers advice to parishes. I agree that the UK net zero legislation is deeply foolish, but the CofE is required to act in accordance with it. CofE bishops do not occupy the CEO role which TEC follows.

[@georgeconger2850]

Bishop Lane’s abilities - or lack there of - are well known. Her reputation is that of a lightweight

[@PeterForster-f6t]

Whatever you believe her reputation to be, you should not criticise her for actions which are not hers to take.

[@marcokite]

G&K's obsession with Scripture is un-Biblical!! St Paul (in the Bible) says that the CHURCH is the 'pillar and ground of the truth' - he also talks of the importance of Tradition. For TWO THOUSAND YEARS the Church has taught that the Most Pure Mother of God was 1/ Ever Virgin and 2/ was Assumed Body & Soul into Heaven (note that there are NO relics of the All Holy Virgin). Does George not read books? Even the heretics Martin Luther and John Calvin believed that the Mother of God was 'ever virgin'.

[@georgeconger2850]

Problem with this argument is that it is false. Nothing about Mary in Scripture after the Ascension in Acts. No scriptural basis for such a claim.

[@marmeemarch7080]

​@@georgeconger2850 correct, but it's in tradition. But we shouldn't then make it a dogma.

[@marmeemarch7080]

Okay, but wouldn't she want you to defend her in a spirit of peace?

[@williamwilkes503]

They might well profit by reading "Thinking Orthodox" by Orthodox theologian Jeannie Constantinou. But realizing that they can "never understand the Church" might just scare the pants off them.

[@williamwilkes503]

Sola Scriptura will get you nowhere! The Holy Tradition of the One, Holy, Cartholic and Apostolic is THE author and interpreter of her scriptures. George, try reading "Thinking Orthodox" by Jeannie Constantinou. Just might broaden your understanding of The Church