Anglicanism, Churchmanship and the Eucharist

The concept of Churchmanship in Anglicanism and its effects on the Eucharist (Holy Communion, Mass, Divine Liturgy, the Lord's Supper).
Two Priests volunteered to be filmed conducting the Eucharist; One in the Low Church Tradition, and one in the High Church Tradition
Service used was:
Eucharistic Prayer 1
Book of Alternative Services (1985), Anglican Church of Canada
Thanks to
The Rev. Canon Travis Enright
Vicar of All Saints' Cathedral, Edmonton and
Canon Missioner for Indigenous Ministries
The Rev. Nick Trussell
Priest-in-Mission for the Synod of the Diocese of Edmonton
Filmed on Location at
The Cathedral Church of All Saints', Edmonton
www.allsaintscathedral.com/

[@jasonmullins7115]

I just recently joined an Episcopal parish and with my recent circumstances, I go to a church that is more high church and one that is closer to low church and I really appreciate this video. Despite the difference in the two, I love the Anglican tradition of the liturgy. I grew up as a Methodist preacher's kid, so I have grown accustomed to liturgy. But I saw that faith grow away from liturgy and into something that was far away from something John and Charles Wesley would be comfortable with.

[@brgman7]

I respect them both but warmed more toward Fr. Travis. In our culture we no longer stand in absolute awe and reverence before anyone or anything - not even a hurricane. We bow to no-one, for me that's a problem.

[@michaelking1579]

It is one of the wonders of Anglicanism that differences can be accepted and respected. It is a practice the world desperately needs.

[@jacobsen976]

Good presentation of the Anglican Church. It is Catholic and Protestant at the same time. Holy Writ is our guidline! It is all about worship and not about singing or witnessing a stage show. Get what I am saying? We live on a flat surface, not trying to climb up a mountain. Mankind is on the same course and we have salvation in love only in and through Jesus Christ our only mediator and advocate! Best shown in the Holy Euchurist!

[@scotswahae4541]

Best videos on Episcopal Church I've seen, thanks Canuck.

[@vincentwilliams8685]

I have really enjoyed all of your videos. I have recently started attending an Anglican Church in the Uk coming from a Pentecostal/Calvinistic background so I would be so low church its not even funny; I have found your videos invaluable to my understanding of the Anglican Communion! Thank you, please make some more.....your friend Vincent.

[@meinnameistdreck3145]

Your videos are always so informative, Maple Anglican! I prefer high church to low church myself, but to each his own.

[@doristheslug9609]

I'm high church and I appreciate you being so reasonable. To each his own indeed.

[@TimothyForbesXXI]

And I admire how these gents have respect for each other! This is very welcome!

[@gnarledrose]

This is the fourth video of yours I've watched today, and I plan on watching more after work. As someone only recently discovering Anglicanism (and "recovering" from Mormonism), thanks for such a large library of thoughtful and well put together videos.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

How's the recovery going? I was raised in the two by twos group.

[@geistlingster]

I really liked this. Coming from a pretty steep evangelical background I learned a lot about the Anglican Tradition! please make more videos like this

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

A charming video, although both priests tip-toed around the issue of "real presence" in the eucharist. If God can make a flower, He can be mystically present in the elements. Nick is young, and hasn't fully formed into the apostolic role of priest, which will increase his sacramental confidence at the altar as time goes on. Don't worry about Nick! I would feel comfortable with either of these priests as my own. The narrator referred to the cassock as a "Cossack", and the surplice as a "surplus". And I thought having candles on the altar was an issue left far behind us in the late 1970s (?). We've all had to give and hold our tempers over our own proud 'lil personal Episcopalian "things" and preferences. It's a battle against pride and a lesson in how to get along. Some learned, some moved on - some are still having a difficult time as knowledge and the world change. How many Episcopalians does it take to change a light bulb ? THREE. One to make martinis, one to climb the ladder and change the bulb, and one to say " I liked the old one better". Deo Gratias +

[@handel1111]

that low church pastor was just like having a 6 mos crash course of seminary

[@MapleAnglican]

About a week ago I ran into them having a Beer here in Downtown Edmonton. Nick has moved on to a different position and Travis is moving to a different Parish in October.

[@MapleAnglican]

Thank you very much and God Bless.

[@TimothyForbesXXI]

Thank you for posting this video. Right now, it looks like I am transitioning into the Episcopal Church here in the States, and am attending an Anglo-Catholic parish in Elmira, NY. I am interested in knowing the differences between High Church and Low Church. I added this to a new playlist, Anglican. Again, thank you!

[@enginyldrm7639]

This is a nice surprise to me to find out this video where two of my school mates from Wcyliffe College demonstrate their churchmanship. Of course, in reality the variety of churchmanship in the Anglican tradition is more than two, and there are many different tones as well. However, it is wonderful to acknowledge despite of our differences, the kind of differences which separate churches, we manage to be one church. Well done!

[@episcopalcatholic]

Great video , I am so High Church .

[@Beregond1954]

My natural inclination is always toward high church. I like Nick, but I find his seeming embarrassment by a more formal ritual rather strange. I was amused by the narrator, who mispronounces almost every liturgical term!

[@MapleAnglican]

Thank you!

[@merio0269]

For the pentinence of the so beautiful priest Nick: Merci pour ce beau vidéo qui explique en toute simplicité et avec humour les différences entre les 2 grandes tendances de la tradition anglicane. La chandelle brille parmi les ténèbres. La chasuble rendrait encore plus belle ta présidence de l'Eucharistie car la beauté rend gloire au Dieu et Père du Christ Jésus. Thanks to both and big kisses from a RC from QUÉBEC but only ... in french! LOL XOX

[@MapleAnglican]

@pw4489 Truthful for filming this I asked Nick to "be as Low Church as you want". I have seen Nick be the Celebrant Priest at a Choral Eucharist at the same altar. While Nick is certainly Low Church and tends to be more Protestant than other Anglicans he is still an Anglican priest.

[@MapleAnglican]

Thank you.

[@MapleAnglican]

I know Travis very well and he would speak in solid support of it. With Nick I would presume so but I have never questioned him thoroughly on the matter.

[@MapleAnglican]

Thank you for your comments, however, you are the seventh person to point those issues out.

[@aaroncarlson1162]

It's interesting that while the entire video cover the liturgical differences between high and low church Anglicans… The theological differences were ignored and glossed over.

[@mosesking2923]

Correct. At the end of the video, it’s shocking how you have one priest who views the Eucharist as the literal body of Christ and another who views the Eucharist as a mere symbol of unity. The Anglican Church is not Catholic and Protestant simultaneously. It is a schizophrenic church that does not know what it is.

[@MapleAnglican]

@ArmoredEpiscopalian All Saints' Cathedral is considered Broad Church. It has been common to have a High and Low Church priest as either the Dean and Curate which ends up balancing things nicely.

[@MapleAnglican]

Episcopal is an adjective relating to the office of Bishop, however it can also refer to Anglicanism itself in several parts of the world.

[@MapleAnglican]

Thank you for your comments. Best Wishes. MA+

[@MapleAnglican]

You're very welcome.

[@PaladinValer]

No problem. I've accidentally called the paten with an extra "t" several times and have utterly -destroyed- several words at times (like "chimere" as "kim-er-ray" for a while...in front of my bishop no less). BTW, please...more videos! I anxiously await your next installment of your History of Anglicanism series. :)

[@MarineChaps]

Great comparison!

[@southafricandominion]

Patent: "a government authority or licence conferring a right or title for a set period, especially the sole right to exclude others from making, using, or selling an invention. "he took out a patent for an improved steam hammer" A Paten a plate, typically made of gold or silver, used for holding the bread during the Eucharist and sometimes as a cover for the chalice.

[@MapleAnglican]

I know at my Cathedral there is one (with torches) for that leads the procession, one for the clergy and occasionally a third if our Bishop is in attendance at the service. In 2008 at our Bishop's Consecration I lost count of the number of Processional Crosses used, but it would have been on the order of at least 8 or 9.

[@MapleAnglican]

Actually, Canon Travis did a brief Curacy in two Anglo-Catholic Parishes in Toronto and I have seen him do several ad Orientum services since this. We didn't want to move the Altar and I wanted both Priests to have been in the same spot. Also, the gap between the Altar and Reredos was a little small there.

[@adamATOM3]

You should do a history of the BCP, also a video on the BCP v.s the BAS would be interesting.

[@Londonfogey]

Interesting film. I have a couple of questions though. 1. No mention was made about variations of liturgy. The two priests seemed to be reciting different prayers. I don't know about the USA but in England they tend to use either Common Worship rite or the Book of Common Prayer rite - but here they seemed to be using some other modern rite I haven't heard before. 2. The cassock and sur-plus (sic) was described as 'low church' but in some English anglican churches of the very low, evangelical variety, the priest wears jeans, a fleece and not even a dog collar, so how can a cassock and surplice be 'low' church? I'd say it was 'middle of the road' or 'broad church' myself.

[@MapleAnglican]

Londonfogey As stated in the video they are using the same Eucharistic Prayer, specifically Eucharistic Prayer 1 from the Book of Alternative Services.

[@MapleAnglican]

@karpov89 Very true. While the European Anglican Churches are in Communion with you via the Provoo Communion the remaining members, such as the Anglican Church of Canada, are sadly not. However, we are in Communion with the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada. I always find learning about the Church of Sweden to be very fascinating as it seems very unique for a Lutheran Church.

[@karpov89]

Something I think it strange with Nick's vestments and that he is wearing the stole hanging outside the cincture. In Sweden, if the cincture is used (not always) the stole is inside it and crossed for a priest and hanging for a bishop.

[@MapleAnglican]

@kejcolley Here in Anglican Church of Canada, and in the Episcopal Church, the term (Anglo-)Catholic and Evangelical are usually only applied to the those who are "very high" or "very low" in their Churchmanship. For instance, Canon Travis rejects the term for himself why still considering himself "High".

[@dariogagliano4218]

Nick: doesn't believe in the real presence. Travis: does. Explains all the differences in their practice. Which is why Nick doesn't seem to care about doing or not doing certain things in the Mass.

[@mateoclemente6751]

Nick doesn't belong in the priesthood, he belongs in a baptist congregation.

[@alhilford2345]

Dario Gagliano : Apparently they can believe whatever they like. It doesn't matter.

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

By the way, I do strongly wish that Reverend Nick, even as a lowchurchman, would study eucharistic Christianity more. In my opinion, the degree of churchmanship ultimately doesn't matter that much as long as the worship is solemn, (I think high church worship works better in large churches and low church better in chapels and small churches) but a Eucharistic orientation versus a "preaching orientation" is what truly allows the congregation to have a direct experience of the Divine.

[@jamespowell4768]

Amen brother

[@MapleAnglican]

@brassspitoon To be frank the one scene with them "joshing" was actually done at my request for the purposes of the video. It actually took a lot to convince them to do that scene. Conversely, I don't know if you are insinuation that either Priests are anything but Heterosexual. If you were I will let you know that to the best of my knowledge both are straight and one is happy married.

[@MapleAnglican]

@jacobsen976 Thank you very much for your comments and God Bless.

[@richt8787]

Is there a way I can get in contact with you for discussion?

[@severianmonk7394]

Very interesting. BTW, is the orans typical of traditional Anglican celebration?

[@x8lover]

Wish it was as simple as this. Many parishes in the middle use vestments and candles too. According to this video my church should be high church but isn't. The clues to churchmanship is more around what the service is called with high church calling it the mass as well as extra ritual and the use of incense. High church parishes will usually only have the mass as their Sunday service and not offer Evensong. And this does not include those parishes that are so evangelical that they are bordering on Pentecostal who have abandoned vesture and most of the liturgy.

[@Amalot]

I know this is a bit late but which do you prefer? High or low church?

[@MapleAnglican]

@frsdonahue The point of the video was *not* to show traditional Anglican liturgy, but the differences that can be found between two Priests using the exact same Prayer Book.

[@PaladinValer]

May I ask a question? How do you respond to our belief in Apostolic Succession, Real Presence, seven Sacraments, ancient three orders of ordained ministry (bishops, priests, and deacons), monasticism, use of Deuterocanonical books in liturgy, and use of vestments? We have the fullness of the Catholicity of the Early Church but embraced the protestant reforms that brought us truer to that Catholicity like vernacular liturgies, fuller lay access to the Bible, and reemphasizing Holy Writ's vitality

[@MapleAnglican]

Yes, however, the frequency of their use in Liturgy varies greatly with Parish and the importance of the service. For example, as I attend the Cathedral we will use it for Christmas and Easter Eve services as well as Ordinations but it will be rarely seen on a Sunday. I do know of one Parish here in Edmonton that uses incense and a Thurible every Sunday.

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

I will say that that also makes a lot of sense. I suppose for a video comparing High Church and Low Church practices, it makes more sense that the viewer can clearly see what the priests are doing. Also I should add, in the ancient Divine Liturgy of St. James (from where we get the hymn "Let all mortal flesh keep silent"), the priests celebrate at an altar facing the congregation, rather than ad Orientum, usually placed in front of the iconostasis in a Byzantine Rite church.

[@MapleAnglican]

@pw4489 No, they are both very Anglican. I ended leaving the footage out by Nick was actually raised in a High Church Parish while Travis was raised a Roman Catholic. Also, in Canada we really don't have many Methodists anymore.

[@reezachity3075]

Travis?

[@karpov89]

How is it in the Anglican Church of Canada: may a person who do not accept that woman can be priest be ordanied as deacons and priests? If you already are ordained, can you be elected and ordanied as bishop?

[@MarineChaps]

I especially liked the Canon's way of complete reverence onto The Christ the Son of the living God.

[@MapleAnglican]

PaladinValer: Sadly I am very busy right now. I have one project that was filmed in January and likely won't get started on editing until December. :(

[@karpov89]

@MapleAnglican It is really interesting to see that the differences seem to be greater within the Anglican communion than in the Church of Sweden which is in communion with the Anglican communion. Here the is no issue about memoralism in the eucharist even within the low church, broad church, old church (orthodox lutherans) and high church.

[@MapleAnglican]

@frsdonahue No one said they were traditional, in fact how they conduct the Eucharistic prayers is the modern way you would see a High Church and a Low Church priest do it. High Church Priests don't have to face East and Low Church Priests don't have to be at the North end of the Altar. Conversely, when filming both Priests I asked them to "show me *exactly* what you would do on any Sunday".

[@MapleAnglican]

@AotearoaForever Travis said it was a Surplice and its made from a thin cotton linen so I just called it that. You might be correct about the Surplice, but the sleeves are considerably longer than what Roman Catholic clerics wear here in North America. Truthfully I know of several errors in this video that I leave in much like some authors live with mistakes in their books.

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

Fair enough. If you really want to go full tilt on high churchmanship, you need to face east, and use an apparatus to hide yourself from the view of the congregation as much as possible, such as a rood screen in the Anglican tradition, or iconostasis, or a retractable curtain (this last approach is used in the Syriac, Armenian and Assyrian churches). The idea is that the liturgical actions of the priests ultimately become a distraction, especially at parts such as the Fraction.

[@MapleAnglican]

@karpov89 If I recall the Church of Norway and Church of Denmark regained Apostolic Succession through the Church of Sweden as well. I can't remember how the Baltic Churches obtained it. I seem to recall that the EKD is not in Provoo as many of the the Bishops in its member Churches don't have Apostolic Succession. The Anglican Communion is also in Full Communion with the Old Catholic Union of Utrecht whose orders Rome Does recognize.

[@aaroncarlson1162]

Maple Anglican Baltic Lutherans received apostolic succession jointly through both the Church of England and the Church of Sweden.. … Up until that point, I believe the churches had "bishops", (even sitting in the old episcopal sees) but more bishop in the sense of the Methodist church or the Moravians… Not the historic episcopate.

[@MapleAnglican]

No. The 1985 Book of Alternative Services, specifically Eucharistic Prayer 1 is being used. It's a similar book.

[@karpov89]

Ok in which perspective are you saying that; in the perspective of the Anglican communion?

[@MapleAnglican]

@karpov89 The point of this video was to talk two priests of different Churchmanship and highlight the differences that can be seen within Anglican through the Eucharist. Canon Travis and Rev. Nick both graciously agreed to do so, however, Canon Travis is not representative of all High Church Priests and Rev. Nick is not representative of all Low Church Priests. I had some excellent unused video of Rev. Nick explaining his own upbringing in High Church Anglicanism.

[@thedoctorplusone]

this was useful thank you :) In Australia, most "low-church" anglicans are also Evangelicals and therefore wouldn't even wear what Nick was wearing!

[@southafricandominion]

well said

[@MapleAnglican]

Thanks PaladinValer

[@democraticpatriot2657]

A true low churchman would celebrate the Lord's Supper once a month, the other Sundays' services being Mattins. And a low churchman would wear a gown, hood and preaching tabs. The Lord's Supper would be celebrated from the north end of the Holy Table.

[@karpov89]

@MapleAnglican Right now we have three bishops who are female, out of 13 dioceses. What is very bad is that one of them is gay without living in celibacy and furthermore liberal. She is bishop of the diocese of Stockholm, where I think the situation is worst in all Sweden. The problem is that if you are unsure about the validity of woman priests, if there is a female bishop ordaining a male priest - is this ordination really valid?

[@frogleg10]

no, it isnt

[@MapleAnglican]

You're welcome.

[@MapleAnglican]

@organeric Which world did I mispronounce?

[@kejcolley]

A very interesting video, which shows up too some of the differences between the churches in the USA & here in England. Here (within the church) we rarely would use the 'high' 'low' definition - it would more-likely be 'Catholic' 'Broad' or 'Evangelical'. Also, the references to Methodists - here almost all Methodist Ministers if robed-up would wear Cassock, black preaching gown and hood (maybe preaching bands too) and only occasionally (usually at ecumenical services) would they wear an alb.

[@DannyEastVillage]

that is the old Medieval usage. Bishops, priests and deacons could be identified by how they wore the stole. However, like many medievalisms, that manner of making the distinction has become increasingly obsolete.

[@user-uu5zv9qw1y]

Convert. For the good of your souls.

[@MapleAnglican]

@beswanky Not all High Church Anglicans genuflect, including at the consecration of the elements. If I recall correctly the Sarum Use only had the priest bow after their consecration. As well, in Orthodox Churches the priest will only bow reverently.

[@MapleAnglican]

@karpov89 Personally since my conversion to Anglicanism I've never had issues with the validity of women in ministry. After 14 years I would say about a third of the Priests in my Diocese were ordained by our present Bishop (Jane Alexander) or her predecessor (Victoria Matthews). At the same time it's important to remember that just because a Priest or Bishop is a woman doesn't necessary make her a Liberal as is evident in our last Bishop.

[@MapleAnglican]

The Cathedral has four crosses actually. I would presume that we borrowed processional crosses from other parishes for the Episcopal Consecration in 2008.

[@edwardfranks5215]

The Church of England was thus a muddle of Catholic, Protestant beliefs. Cranmer had envisioned the normal Sunday Divine Service to Morning Prayer followed by a Holy Commion like th Orthodox Orthros and Divine Liturgy. Communion was only celebrated on average once a month (Roman Catholics every day but only were required to receive once a year). This was a pastoral problem. Catholics and Reformers wanted weekly communion but people were afraid they would condemn themselves without proper confession. The Church of England was saddled with Prayer Book of magnificent English whose theology was not accepted by everyone and who words could not be changed without government permission. The decisive repudiation of the Settlement of 1559 from a Eucharistic doctrinal viewpoint came in 1789 when the former Church of England became the Protestant Episcopal Church (= means non-Roman Church ruled by bishops). The Scottish Canon was adopted. and these words in caps placed in a fully restored canon of the mass or Eucharistic prayer, "..we thy humble servants to celebrate and make before thy Divine Majesty with these thy Holy Gifts WHICH WE NOW OFFER UNTO THEE, the memorial they Son ha taught us to make." At one stroke the Reformation theology which repudiated the Sacrifice of the Mass within the Prayer of Consecration was undone. Finally the question of free-standing altars. All altars were fee-standing in the Church in the West for 1000 years. Pushing them against the wall is a late development. To this day all altars in Eastern Rite churches are free-standing. It makes no difference to the validity of the Rite whether one celebrates a Pontifical Mass with all the fixins or a simple, informal Eucharist/Mass/Liturgy celebrated at a Holiday camp. The WORDS taken off the page and spoken by us as our Offering/Sacrifice are what's important.

[@stpaulphillip]

Amen

[@MapleAnglican]

That is, oddly, in my pile of videos I would like to eventually do.

[@MapleAnglican]

@karpov89 Rev. Nick has made some comments that he wished to clarified his position a little better, however, has never asked me to remove or re-edit this video. Conversely, the Anglican position on the Real Presence is fairly vague which is why you may run into some who believe in Memorialism and others in Transubstantiation.

[@Lepewhi]

I Wonder if Rev. Canon Travis is still an Anglican, or if he joined the Ordinariate?

[@MapleAnglican]

It's amazing. You spend 4 hours recording and editing your own voice, follow it up with 35 hours plus of video editing listening to your voice over and over and I still missed the fact I had mispronounced some words. :(

[@MapleAnglican]

@authorion Likely not. I had about an extra 12 minutes of footage with Rev. Nick and about 9-10 minutes with Canon Travis and I had to cut out a lot of stuff to keep the video compact. I do have a blooper or two from the shooting for this video and a few others that I might use some time. Hint: Watch and listen for a cell phone going off in this one.

[@gregmarra9457]

I think the part after the Sanctus is called the "Institution Narrative", not "Institutional Narrative"

[@MapleAnglican]

I think you may have missed what I meant by catholic with a small c. By catholic I mean to be pertaining to the universal Christian faith as stated by the ancient church in it's earliest creeds and liturgical practices. As well, Christ did found one Church, however, it is also made up of individual, or particular Churches. Thanks for viewing and subscribing and have a blessed Easter.

[@MapleAnglican]

@Henouk Unfortunately no one realized my pronunciation error until a few weeks after I released this video and you are the fifth person to point this obvious and very stupid mistake of mine.

[@englishevangelical3810]

Maple Anglican, are you a high church, low church, or broad church Anglican? Also, what is your view on the intercession and invocation of saints?

[@MapleAnglican]

+English Evangelical Hello, For the record I currently attend St. Stephen the Martyr's Church in Edmonton, which is a Parish of the Anglo-Catholic Tradition using the Canadian Book of Common Prayer of 1962 along with a few other resources, such as the Propers from the English Gradual. While I attend said Anglo-Catholic Parish and feel proud to be a part of it I tend to be wary of calling myself an Anglo-Catholic because I view my time at St. Stephen's as a time of exploring and discerning my own faith. Sometimes I prefer to think of myself as an Evangelical High Churchman. However, I would have to say that some of my views would appear to be very staunchly Low Church. For example, I am a very strong believer in the importance of Article XXXI in the Articles of Religion in that: "The Offering of Christ once made is that perfect redemption, propitiation, and satisfaction, for all the sins of the whole world, both original and actual; and there is none other satisfaction for sin, but that alone. " Further, while I believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist I categorically do not accept the Aquinan version of Transubstantiation as many Anglo-Catholics would. When it comes to the Intercession and Invocation of Saints I think it is important that we understand the Veneration of Saints done by (Roman) Catholics, and Orthodox Christians is not Worship; It is typically viewed as the honouring of the Saint. However, I would say that if a faithful Christian asks the Blessed Virgin Mary, a family member or a Saint to pray for them but also *with* them for something there is nothing wrong with that. The problem comes when one overdoes it, when one prays to the Saints and forgets God, or to a particular constantly Saint that is Patron of a particular thing a person *wants*, or that it distracts from worshiping the Most Holy Trinity. There are many who this is a problem for, and I have yet to encounter in my own Parish. I hope that makes sense. Peace MA~

[@MapleAnglican]

Michael Caza-Schonberger No, what I am going to do is not let you pull me into an argument again, which is what you want Mr. Schonberger. From the first moment you've chosen to interact with me it has been about trying to start an argument. And if you think I am full of it REMEMBER YOU WERE USING ALL CAPS BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU COULDN'T MAKE THE FONT ANY BIGGER? Let's be frank, Mr. Schonberger, you use KZbin and other forums as places so you can get into arguments with people so you can try and feel superior. I told you the last time on Twitter to never to contact me again. You've burned through 3 accounts on KZbin and apparently you are willing to make it 4. So, let me be utterly clear on this: Go find some other schmuck to argue with. And learn to spell the word Parish while you're at it. Pax Christe.

[@MapleAnglican]

Sorry, which words did I mispronounce?

[@MapleAnglican]

@kejcolley We don't have a lot of Methodists left here in Canada since the 1920s when the Methodist Church of Canada united with (most of) the Presbyterian Church in Canada and formed the United Church. The only Methodists remaining are the Free Methodists that are the result of missionary work from the US since the 1960s.

[@MapleAnglican]

@karpov89 In the Anglican Church of Canada both Bishops and Priests will wear the alb, stole, chasuble and cope, but will never wear the chasuble and cope together. Only Bishops may wear the Mitre and carry the Crosier. Deacons will wear an Alb with the stole to the side and the Dalmatic instead of a Chasuble. I have a video on deacons actually.

[@edwardfranks5215]

I have read the comments here and I am astounded by some of the ignorance of church history and doctrine. Also monotheists are always fighting among themselves about matters that cannot be proven, but they do it anyway. I want to address a few matters. It is not necessary to have a doctrine of Christ's presence in the Eucharist to believe in it. The Orthodox prefer to leave it a mystery as do Anglicans. The Orthodox refer to Trans-elementation. They avoid transubstantiation as this smacks of a kind of religious alchemy. The Church did quite well without a definition for a 1000 years. The Church Fathers in the 4th century variously talk about the Real Presence or the Eucharist as a symbol of the Presence. So St. John of Damascus speaks of the bread and wine as visible symbols of a spiritual reality, which approximates the Anglican believe that the bread and wine are the outward symbols of an inner spiritual grace. The Lutherans have sacramental union. Consubstantiation refers to Body and Blood with bread and wine. This is not the theory of the Lutherans although commonly attribute to them. Cranmer was a Clavinist -- he believed Christ was present to the believer by the power of the Holy Spirit. This is called Virtualism. It is not believe of the Anglican Communion which has no definition but believes in the Real Presence as in thw rods of adminstraton, "the Body of our Lord Jesus Christ which was given for thee preserve thy body and soul unto everlasting life" and " the Body of Christ, the Bread of Heave." et cetera. Hnery the VIII was a rather nasty fellow.in 1530 the Catholic Church was a pretty good shape and people were generally happy with it. It's life revolved around the 4 great monastic orders and 9000 parishes. He seized the church. He dissolved the orders and in 1546 the chantries but allowed no change in religion. Hos son was Protestant. The First Prayer Book Eucharist of 1549 looks like a mass but is missing one vital concept, the offering of a material sacrifice to God. The second removed any idea of sacrifice to a post-communion prayer. The Black Rubric allowed kneeling to receive communion with tghereby implying any essential or real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. After Elizabeth came to throne this was rescinded in 1559 and the words of the Holy Communion clearly indicate believe in the Real Presence to which one could kneel at reception. She tried to enforce the use of traditional vestments, communion tables with candles stick and crucifix against the wall so the service of Holy Communion looked like a mass to placate a population that still majority Catholic and conservative. No formal Protestant theology was adopted. If fact no official doctrinal -sim exists to this day. Anglicanism is a mix of Catholic, some Protestant notions and Orthodoxy. As for the Apostolic Succession. The Papal condemnation of Anglican Orders as null and void rests on defect of from and intent to make catholic bishops. The Anglican retort was that the only common things ordination rites have through the history of the church are prayer and laying on of hands, nothing about sacrificing priests which is late Medieval. Onl one of Mary's 17 bishops would agree to consecrate Mathew Parker as Archbishop of Canterbury in 1559. So 4 men men were selected; 2 had been ordained bishops in the Roman Roman Rite in the 1530 and 2 with the Edwardine Ordinal of 1550. All of them had been ordained Catholic priests before the break with Rome in 1534. The four consecrators themselves had been consecrated by Roman Catholic bishops. So the actual 'manual succession' is not in doubt. As for the Irish Church all but 2 Catholic bishops went over to Henry. Mary restored the faith there 1553-1558. Anglican Orders are also derived from Hugh Curwen, Archbishop of Dublin, consecrated in 1555 with the Roman Pontifical. Rome said the English Ordinal and intent of the government were defective (at the time the English Church and nation was technically still in union with the Papacy as Cardinal Pole in 1555 had absolved them from the actions of Henry and Edward). It wasn't until about 1600 that we can see something called 'Anglicanism' emerge, after 60 years of religious turmoil, as a distinct form of Christianity rooted in sacramentalism, the monastic offices of Morning and Evening Prayer as the standards of daily private and parish worship and reason, with the three ancient orders of bishop, priest and deacon and the reading of the Bible. Regrettably the churches were gutted of most of their best art work unlike in Lutheran countries where the older churches interiors look like Catholic churches in 1500. Finally I want to quote St. Thomas Acquinas who says that "in the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist the Presence of Jesus Christ is not to be understood as physical (materialiter) nor as located or trapped in a place (localiter).

[@alhilford2345]

Edward Franks : Please publish the source for your quotation from St. Thomas Aquinas. Thank you.

[@Katholikos78]

We Orthodox view it as the literal body and blood. We just don’t reduce it to metaphysics like the Latins, but the belief in the result is the same. It’s a bloodless sacrifice and Christ is literally present in the Eucharist.

[@Katholikos78]

As to Anglican Orders, we don’t recognize them either. We do to an extent Roman Orders as Priests and Bishops who return to Orthodoxy aren’t ordained anew but rather incardinated. Anglicans are always ordained anew.

[@karpov89]

Very good and informative video! For me as a Lutheran I think it is strange that not all priests - normally - wear the chasuble during the mass, in Sweden almost all low church priests do, although I am not sure it is a must. Also it is strange that the low church priest has not the same belief in the real presence...is that really allowed?! No or small difference in the Lutheran church. Making the sign of the cross is usually done before the elevation, not after, also a bit strange.

[@MapleAnglican]

Hypothetically any Ordinand or Candidate for Bishop would have to outright lie during their Ordination service as they solemnly promise to "conform to the doctrine, discipline, and worship of the Anglican Church of Canada." This doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for those opposing women's ordination.

[@MapleAnglican]

Bishop Nolbert Kunonga in Zimbabwe was excommunicated by the (Anglican)Church of the Province of Central Africa for his support of President Robert Mugabe. In turn the Zimbabwean government is persecuting the official Anglican Church there and supporting Kunonga.

[@karpov89]

In Church of Sweden you can't be ordained but until 1982 you it was a clause of conciousness which meant that priests could be ordained with another view of woman priests.

[@MapleAnglican]

It would depend on the Parish but there is no special service mandated by the Anglican Church of Canada, not that I am aware of.

[@MapleAnglican]

@organeric Yeah, I messed those up. I also spelled Ablutions wrong in the video.

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

By the way Maple, I want to thank you for making an outstanding documentary. However, I would propose that Travis is at best "Middle Church." If he were truly high church,he would face away from the congregation during the anaphora, make even more prostrations, and be flanked by deacons. Christ only appears when the priest disappears. Consider the old Tridentine Mass, or the even more elaborate Divine Liturgy of St. James takes four hours to complete and requires 12 priests and one bishop.

[@DannyEastVillage]

Yes, I'm aware that the Swedish church has maintained certain usages, and I certainly don't find fault with that.

[@ernestbowen4054]

I tend to high church but would prefer to attend the Eucharist lead by Nick, simply because I like him better. I love his smile.