Angry 2pac Stan Mad Because I Said He Wasn't A Lyricist!

[@Mckylan]

People need to stop equating being a good lyricist doesn’t mean ur a good rapper or make good music. 2pac, Kanye, and Travis Scott all make great music but as rappers they weren’t lyrically killing their counterparts. This doesn’t mean they can’t be lyrical or have nice wordplay or anything. And also at the same time they are great at writing. Being a great writer is more than just lyricism. A song like Sing about me I’m dying of thirst isn’t “lyrical” but the writing and storytelling is on another level. Being a good writer and lyricist are two different things and meanwhile u can be both and being a lyricist I will always give u credit more it doesn’t equate to being a better artist or mean u make better music. Through the wire has a couple witty lines but we like the production and the story he telling like how we would for 2pac.

[@therealog.1255]

Pac don't need to be a lyricist. He's made so much of it impact in his rap career. That's why he's the best of the best

[@princehelios]

Tupac is a poet. He put his emotions and story into his rap. Lyricist sometimes tell a story but with complex rhymes and lyrics you have to decipher. Like Eminem, Nas, or Kendrick. Poets have more feeling to their music like Kanye, Lauryn Hill, or J Cole. Poets and Lyricists are 2 different things

[@kevinlester2609]

Get the fuck outta here. The definition is the definition. Poets don't slap a 808 beat on while they talk....stop

[@princehelios]

@@allstar8783 I don’t think you understand what lyrical really means.

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Big l, big pun, Eminem, andre 3000, big boi, Cassidy, Ludacris, Bushwick bill, techn9ne, Common (sometimes), e-40(50/50) well these are examples of lyricist

[@sickboyzay24]

When people say Tupac was a poet it don’t make sense to me when you pull up Tupac’s lyrics they don’t read like a poem. I’d say Nas, Andre, Mos Def are poets before Pac

[@Swavae]

​@@sickboyzay24bro Pac is a poet 😂

[@timmy841212]

Didn’t Pac HIMSELF say he wasn’t a lyricist? Lol Dude just flowed. I’d call him a rhythmic rapper than a lyricist. You just have to put Pac in a different category. Him and Cube.

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Added in the fact he was poetic with his approach and not so much a lyricist as mentioned.

[@timmy841212]

@@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166 Right.

[@91Definite]

Wait a second! Pac and Cube? I’ll agree that Cube walked so Pac could run! I think Pac had better work ethic than Cube. I think to this day Cube have some kind of jealousy towards Pac. Rumors said that Cube stole certain lingo from Pac’s music to his. I think Pac felt that he was copycating him even Snoop Dogg. Pac felt everyone was taking bits and pieces from his music. Cube recently said he believe Pac ain’t better than him 🤷🏾‍♂️. Maybe during his NWA days and first three albums? Yea but after that it was a wrap for him and Pac kept coming with hard hitting music

[@passingjudgement1194]

Cube is a lyricist 😂😂😂😂

[@timmy841212]

@@passingjudgement1194 So you say 😂

[@ARMOSPHERE]

I don't mind when ppl say that Pac wasn't a lyricst, he's still the GOAT based on many other reasons. My top 5: Pac Big Cam'ron Mc Eiht Big Pun

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

My top 5: Dylan Dylan Dylan Dylan Dylan Because he spit that hot fire 🔥

[@901JAYLON]

Nigga future better den pac😂

[@700soulja]

@@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166😂😂😂

[@jalendurrell]

Like Tupac got a song with Redman, Method Man, Kurupt, & Daz.. these are “lyricist” & Tupac verse is 🔥 arguably the best one

[@michaelgulley751]

I never said that someone has to be a lyricist to kill a rap verse. Pac still isn’t a lyricist

[@jalendurrell]

@@michaelgulley751 Pac is a lyricist

[@adamquenano8563]

@@michaelgulley751You forgot to tell me him that PAC wasn’t technically on the song

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Big l, big pun, Eminem, andre 3000, big boi, Cassidy, Ludacris, Bushwick bill, techn9ne, Common (sometimes), e-40(50/50) well these are examples of lyricist

[@younggod3906]

💯💯💯

[@BklynZu]

That's true being a teenager when pac was alive in the early to mid '90s when he was putting out music nobody never said pac was an incredible Emcee the main compliant was he didn't have a clear message in his music in one song he is Conscious and in the next songs is contradicting the Conscious song.

[@cmoney0Q]

Hennessy and enemies every song 😂

[@ch33zybreadtrellie4]

Lol he did it like twice. But the way he said it was very very prominent and how he would stretch out the words. Enemieeeeeeeeeees, memorieeeeeeeees

[@silentnavarino]

Hurry, bury, worry

[@cmoney0Q]

@@silentnavarino 😂😂😂😂

[@vinceisshameless]

Pac was known for giving his energy and passion with his lyrics, his storytelling made a deep impact.. He isn't a lyricist..

[@silentnavarino]

I always say - if 2Pac had died in a non violent way we wouldn’t hold him to a Jesus level of adulation. It’s insane. If 2Pac had died of an illness a la Eazy or Pun - people wouldn’t deify him. I also believe people valorise his negative traits more than anything. Truth be told, if he was lyrically Talib Kweli nobody would have cared. When he was alive I mostly remember him for his antics and the only album that HIT was All Eyez On Me - which was anchored to the nihilistic and commercial excesses. People might cite MATW but that album was not the sound of Hip Hop when it dropped in 95

[@thepastavatars7939]

Even Notorious B.I.G was a better "lyricist" than 2 Pac.

[@700soulja]

Yh i agree and ima bigger fan

[@wildsidedetroit]

No biggie was just more complex

[@700soulja]

@@wildsidedetroit wdym by complex my bad just tryna understand

[@cmoney0Q]

Easily

[@donvito1260]

This dude arguing with Gulley acting like not being a lyricist makes you not a good rapper lmao. And you can still rap well without being a lyricist. Tupac, Jeezy, Ice Cube, 2 Chainz, DMX, Snoop are examples

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Especially pimp c - not lyrical yet how he conveyed his topic matter with a straightforward and direct approach gave him credibility with his fans alongside his production and his beats.

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Bun b is a lyricist - pimp c is a "country tune" rapper 😅

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Yeah, that more fitting.

[@phatinthehatcomedy]

Tupac's lyricism comes from being able to take complex subject matter and make it digestible for the regular person. Lyricism isn't exclusive to just wordplay and basic metaphors. Back with so much more to that and that's what makes him a better Lyricist than the people who you consider Lyricists. So implying that Tupac and sexy red have the same kind of lyricism is an insane comparison

[@michaelgulley751]

His subject matter isn’t complex lol

[@wildsidedetroit]

Being more technical or having complex rhyme patterns doesn't make you more "lyrical" or a "lyricist" I swear y'all need to look up what the words lyrical and lyricist is

[@Lildoodirty]

Why do people act like being a lyricist is a qualifier to being called a great there’s has only been a few strict lyricists in the history of hip hop that have even gained a mainstream popularity ice cube rakim nas Eminem and jay z are the only ones that have done it

[@frederickdavis7040]

I look at like this there's something out there for everyone I have listened to all types of music for me it depends on what mood I am in if I want to hear lyrics I put on music artists that are lyrical or if I want to hype I put on artists who gets me hype like Pastor Troy, Lil Jon, Three 6 Mafia etc by the way shout out to my brother Guelly for always keeping it💯

[@brunocosta7986]

"inserting the Mickael Jackson eating popcorn"

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Nothing complex about Tupac yet poetic which may come across as if he was lyrical

[@MrDriggens]

A rhyme that it is based around metaphors, similes, double entendres, etc. is one level of lyricism to me because if it doesn't have the lyrical cadence (flow), it's automatically garbage.

[@THECOHORTONE]

Why does it matter so much to you if people think pac is a good lyricist?

[@YourboyMarley]

I do think lyricst in hip-hop terms is BOTH Complexity and Substance, thats why alot of people get triggered by Gulley saying Tupac isn't a lyricist. But i think if Gulley had phase that Tupac isn't "Lyrical" maybe people wouldn't take it as triggering. Idk

[@drogfour2447]

Tupac had substance but no complexity

[@Heresjohnny122psn]

I would consider 2 pac a poetic Rapper someone who is able to express and convey strong emotions in they flow tone of voice and lyrics Juice wrld and I would say Xxtention were Poetic Rappers as well

[@devinsimmons1249]

The only thing I disagree with Gully on is him saying 2pac is as basic as Soulja Boy and Sexyy Red. 2pac had actual substance to his lyrics and his words had a profound impact on the culture. So to say that is kinda disrespectful and downplays what he has offered to black culture as a whole. Considering soulja and sexyy contribute nothing of substance and nothing profound. Yeah, 2pac's not is not a lyricist, but he is not basic.

[@michaelgulley751]

Just because Soulja Boy and Sexyy aren’t talking about world issues in their music doesn’t mean they don’t have substance or they don’t contribute nothing. People can relate to them just as they relate to 2Pac.

[@AndreAdams-j6n]

@@michaelgulley751 Correct

[@datboiijuanhtx]

Them 2pac stans are just weird asf 🤣

[@RageManRegg]

🥷🏾 you don’t know me😂

[@The-Endo-SymArmor]

​@@RageManRegglmao😂😂😂😂

[@datboiijuanhtx]

See what I’m saying???? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RageManRegg]

@@datboiijuanhtx Nobody cares about you amigo😂

[@The-Endo-SymArmor]

@@RageManRegg 2pac is the Almighty Omega to you right

[@Gigoogy]

Pac's pen game is really dope man, he got bars. But as gulley pretty much said the lyrics ain't too complex to be considered a lyricist

[@wildsidedetroit]

If his pen game dope wouldn't that make him a lyricist based on the actual definition of a lyricist?

[@Gigoogy]

@wildsidedetroit Yes it does, but I argue lyricism in rap gets held at a higher pedestal with rapper like wayne and kendrick, to name a couple. I feel like pac in general is more straightforward and in your face than a complex lyricist

[@Gigoogy]

In my book, he's not a lyricist

[@BlackMaleSpirituality]

Pac is much different than Red (I refuse to lie to her) and Soulja Boy.

[@michaelgulley751]

Y’all need to listen! I’m referring to their level of lyricism

[@TeamRocketWes]

You right pac is different, Soulja still working

[@AndreAdams-j6n]

@@michaelgulley751 I think the Tupac stans refuse to listen and let go.

[@RKOUTJ28]

To me in my opinion i think Tupac was a lyricist at most and a lil hint of lyrical because some songs you listen to by Tupac really be having you thinking about life and of your self it just my opinion.

[@michaeljordan3166]

Drake is more lyrical then 2pac, however, drake loses his credibility as a rapper by using ghostwriters. 2pac impacted culture, Drake did not.

[@Lildoodirty]

I agree that 2pac wasn’t a lyricist to me he should be in the eazy e 50 cent snoop dogg chief Keef Gucci category of rappers to where they had so much impact charisma and influence to where being a lyricist doesn’t matter no matter what he’s still one of the greatest of all time

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Pimp c is an example of one who is not lyrical but his persona or personality was felt more especially how he conveyed his lyrics.

[@700soulja]

What’s your discord gulley?

[@tumishomogano1574]

Pac aint lyrical lets just face the facts . Coming from a 2pac fan

[@700soulja]

Yh it’s just the guy going against gulley is making it out to seem like gulley said he can’t rap

[@700soulja]

It’s just pacs way of delivering his lyrics as well as his flows and cadences got the music going on

[@700soulja]

I like him for lyrics but mainly his flows, cadences and how well he puts together songs

[@Shh-l3f]

How many albums do you listen to a day ?

[@kandiigoon680]

7:15 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

[@mrlalalaist]

Ok so from the word yes he is a lyricist and so is sexy redd ( if she makes good music) never listened to her

[@michaelgulley751]

It doesn't matter if you think her music is good. She's still a lyricist by the definition!

[@mrlalalaist]

@@michaelgulley751 that’s what I’m saying lol

[@kzakulenga5138]

😆😆😆😆😆😆😭😭😭😭😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😭

[@RageManRegg]

I’m nobody’s Stan or Fan bruh, great convo though😂

[@michaelgulley751]

Hey you shouldn’t have been caping for Pac like that! Welcome to the internet 😂

[@skwayne_]

Dogpeople crazy asf. I’m kinda heated😂. PAC was not lyrical. I’d label him a conscious rapper more than a lyrical rapper anyday. Pac can NOT out rap Fab,Cassidy,Em,Chance,JoeyBA,shoot even early Drake. I’m just saying. PAC had more “cross references” not exactly “word play”. But nonetheless Pac is fasho a pioneer,trendsetter,and an overall legacy at what he brought in the game while he was here

[@hebrew26commandmentspower55]

Blasphemy by 2pac ... End of conversation...that song alone clears 50 percent of rapper's catalog

[@michaelgulley751]

His lyrics were still basic

[@hebrew26commandmentspower55]

​@@michaelgulley751 explain the 2nd verse then?? I doubt you understand his references to nimrod and the 2 Babylon's in the bible ... Blasphemy isn't something you can understand in 1 listening... Pac was a Lyricist

[@michaelgulley751]

Just because someone references the Bible doesn’t automatically make someone a lyricist. His lyrics are still not complex in that verse. Y’all just don’t want to admit that the man was not a complex lyricist

[@hebrew26commandmentspower55]

​@@Roc_Official exactly lol ... Bro think " Blasphemy " is a one listen song smh 🤦🤣....you have too have a through knowledge of the bible and the Christianity to understand Blasphemy.... That song is extremely lyrical ... Nas ain't even writing something like that and I'm a Nas fan .......

[@michaelgulley751]

2pac literally compares his life to the Bible. It’s not hard to understand, even if you don’t read the bible cause he explains it clearly lol his lyrics are also not complex

[@CarlintonWolfe]

2Pac was basic

[@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166]

Basic yet poetic - which would confuse listeners as someone who has lyrical ability.

[@700soulja]

@@MADSCIENTISTGONESANE6166yhh