Angry Photographer: 3 Diff. lenses that are the same lens. 180mm 2.8. Many such lenses are like this

Angry Photographer: 3 Diff. lenses that are the same lens. 180mm 2.8. Many such lenses are like this

[@TheCrisimos]

2 years later took this gem home following ur recomandation, oh man amazing glass, thank you!!

[@nathanryan7018]

I just bought the AF-ED version of this lens and I love it. It's so crystal clear. Thanks as always for the recommendation!

[@kathodosdotcom]

Ok, for those interested, the prior 3 videos are now on nikonfocus.com, links below. His fanboys kept posting aggressive, crude, and even far worse things on the videos. Obviously these people cannot take criticism. If you want to see the videos, here are the links: nikonfocus.com/videos/Angry%20Photographer%20Response%20VID%201%20SONY%27s%20%27big%27%20sponsor%20plays%20and%20%27attacks%27%20my%20video.%20FUNNY!.mp4 nikonfocus.com/videos/Angry%20Photographer%20Response%20VID%202%20SONY%27s%20%27big%27%20sponsor%20plays%20and%20%27attacks%27%20my%20video.%20FUNNY!.mp4 nikonfocus.com/videos/Angry%20Photographer%20Response%20VID%203%20Someone%20has%20-%201.Motive%202.%20Agenda%203.%20_%20Sponsorship....Trust.mp4

[@poniatowski3547]

Hey ken just wanted to say thank you. Bought this lens 2nd hand from japan after this review and buying the tokina 100mm on your recommendation and loving it. Spent a day taking photos of people picking flowers in a peony field. Wow wonderful glass!

[@wildbill9919]

The first version was introduced in 1986. The D version adds distance info. It tells the camera the focus distance which helps with correct flash exposure.

[@TheBerkeleyGang]

Zeiss Sonrar design, dating back to the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Definition of a legend. Still relevant nearly a century after introduction

[@donhazelett4071]

I just got my copy of the 180m ais today and m blown away. I also got the nikkor 35-70mm 2.8 d on your recommendation. Very happy! Thank you sir!

[@Bishopton]

Hi Ken, this is an old video now and not sure if you will reply but I'm a dog walker and I love photography. I own a D4 and am stuck between getting the 80-200 af-s or the 180mm f2.8. I know the 80-200 is prob more useful but heavy gear really hurts my back, I already have to carry another heavy bag packed with dog walking gear. What do you think is best? Back ache and versatility or the lighter 180mm (assuming it can keep up with the dogs)?

[@johnarmstrong5727]

I Bought the 2nd version of the early AF plastic body 180 2.8 (with the rubber focus ring) on ebay in UK at a low price , The image quality is outstanding ! Thanks for all the lens recommendations and videos on older nikon flashes which are very informative.

[@poniatowski3547]

Use this lens as manual focus on a z6 now as well on my d7200. Works a treat love the image quality

[@kb6kgx]

My camera is the D7100. Currently, I have only a 50mm f1.4 AI-s and a 105mm f2.5 AI-s. Looking at getting either a zoom (but haven’t decided on a range, yet. Would love the 80-200 f2.8, but might get more use out of a 24-85 or 16-60. However, wold also consider more primes, as I’ve never had a zoom in more than 40 years of this stuff. Looking also at the 180mm f2.8D or maybe a 300mm f4.5 AI-s, as I used to have one of those back in the day. What is your opinion of Nikon’s 18-300 or 28-300, and also the Tamron 16-300?

[@annakmet8482]

Hi Ken, I'm looking at the 180mm 2.8D or a Sigma 150mm 2.8 non OS for indoor swim events and other indoor sports. Which one would have the faster AF? I want something lighter than a 80-200 or 70-200 and I prefer primes. Do you have any other recommendations for indoor sports? The Nikon 85 1.8d is my other choice, but it will be on the short side for me, and I'd have to crop.

[@HI2LIFE]

Hi Ken, On your recommendation I bought the Nikon 180mm AF-ED The lens arrived yesterday… Multiple Orgasms again and again!!!! Thank you!

[@kathodosdotcom]

DAMN RIGHT!!!!! im happy that UR happy man!!!!

[@MichaelEsdrelonPhotography]

Hello I'm looking to buy the AF 75-300mm push n pull version can you please make a review of it, or what can you say about that lens is it worth buying?

[@ashkan3450]

Just got one today: 180 f/2.8D in E++ condition, like brand new locally on CL. It is sleek, beautiful and light weight. I have 105 F2 DC too but pictures of this lens are awesome. Thanks

[@kathodosdotcom]

Kan Ashu awesome answer, PURE BUTTER PICTURES!!!

[@oliverwhite30]

Hi. I am interested in buying the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8G VR III, any idea when Nikon will do their new release on this particular lens?

[@50deserteagle]

Thanks for sharing just what needed to hear.

[@NJ_Galactic]

I have a question, appreciate if you could help. I am looking into buying the pre 1988. I have read that it is slightly better than the other two for astrophotography. Is there any truth to this? Or is it just that some copies are less sharp and have more chromatic aberration the other copies?

[@sonvfave]

My ais 180 2.8 on the way to adapt over to manual focus on newer ff sony Love your work

[@flyindividual]

Hey buddy, I am thinking of getting one too. How do you rate it? And How much did you pay for it ?

[@sebm2334]

Hey so I have the first one from 1982 and I haven't dropped it or anything or not that I can remember it and I would remember it but the focus ring has recently become really jammy does anyone have any tips to fix it?

[@wolfmath8615]

I bought 2 copies on ebay (180mm AF-N, 2nd version), unfortunately with a problem regarding the mechanics with a stiff focus. Is this a common issue with the older version of this type of lens? My friends all have the AF-D versions and are completely happy with it. So a short comment would be helpful, whether the AF-D version ist more reliable in general compared to the older versions. Thanks!

[@mcsql7534]

I Bought one of these Lens D version off Ebay from Japan and the center lens element has haze? The outside is like new and outside lens elements are perfect. What should I do. 1. Send it to Nikon for cleaning. 2. Send it someplace else. 3. Try to sell it as is / get my money back. 4. Try and take it apart and clean it myself? Thanks for all your advice - MCSQL7

[@oneharry_og]

Ken the AF-S NIKKOR 70-200mm f/2.8E FL ED VR or the AF Nikkor 180mm f/2.8D IF-ED pick one?

[@JabSugarAnderson]

How does the 180mm 2.8 AI-S hold up against this? since the 105mm 2.8 AI-S is so good. Cheers!

[@brightsparxxx]

Hello. I am interested in sports photography. I know the 180mm doesnt have the fastest autofocus in the world. However, would either the 180n or 180d combined with a body with a strong motor like a d300 or d700 be a good choice? Also, your videos rock. Always a learning session. Keep it up.

[@jimwlouavl]

Does the non-D lens send distance info for matrix metering?

[@hesamjafari9738]

how does the second version compare with the third version? I`m gonna buy the second version for about 200$

[@justinsachs7270]

So I see you’ve got the platinum filters on some of your lenses. I’ve been considering getting a couple. Are they pretty good compared to Hoya or Nikon filters? Anyone with experience can chime in. Thanks!

[@wolfscote3442]

Are you keeping the 180mm Ai-s under wraps for any reason? Seems to be on par - reputedly even better - than the Ai/Ai-s MF lenses you have lauded in the past.

[@maverickyabut2002]

Theoria Apophasis Another tokina buyer here! Thanks for the recommendation! A question for you though, i wanna get a wide angle lens but am stuck on either the 20mm 1.8g or 18-35mmg 3.5/4.5 which one should i get? i shoot with a D810, mostly street photography, and portraits. I really wanna get ready for the fireworks for July 4th

[@kathodosdotcom]

Maverick Yabut D810?? ohhhhhh EASY answer, 18 35 G

[@kevingoza]

I have the 1988-1993 version. Love it on my z9 with FTZii adapter. I’m a manual focus geek so I’m perfectly fine with no auto focus…and with focus peeking it becomes a non-issue for me. Love the good older lenses!

[@denisnicholson2528]

I just got the 180 2.8 today (non-textured version) as well as a 135 f2, both for an amazing deal. I was worried about the 180 2.8 because the person who had it didn't take the best care of it, and the various elements of glass have dirt on them. Oh my goodness. Doesn't make a gosh darn difference. The thing is so tack sharp. I took a photo of my 1.5 yr old and I can count the individual baby hairs on his face. Seriously, such an amazing lens for portraiture. I am absolutely blown away.

[@19ghost73]

Finally got the first version today & I'm happy as a pig in the mud with it! ;) ATB, Gereon

[@johnw.3636]

This lens is SUPERB! I have the most recent iteration.

[@MrGuitargod91]

@theoria apophasis do you think $430 is TOO much for 1988 version of this lens? I been going ham on eBay. Want the newer D version but can't cheapest I found it is $500

[@kathodosdotcom]

+Captain Brannigan yeahhhhh, you can snag em on ebay for $350 all day long , the NEWEST version

[@MMB.__]

Hi, would the latest (D version) make it more precise autofocus, metering or something in comparison to its direct predecessor? Please someone answer, I'm about to get one. Thanks very much.

[@johnw.3636]

Lenses don't meter.

[@longboarder3210]

Is the oldest lens's autofocus a lot slower than the newer ones? I'm using it for sports and don't have enough money for the more expensive one.

[@kathodosdotcom]

+Dylan Jurusz yes, its screw drive AF system

[@jefferyglover4295]

Tripod collar for this 180mm?

[@KristianBrouerSeedorff]

How does these AF-versions compare to the manual versions optically? I'm currently considering buying a 180mm, but am in doubt on whether to go for the 180mm ED AIS, or non-ED or one of the AF versions. Thanks for making these awsome vidoes, btw!!!

[@kathodosdotcom]

Kristian Brouer Seedorff just get the AF version, used theyre only about $350 and superior optically (not a lot) to the MF 180mm.

[@KristianBrouerSeedorff]

Great! Thank you for the insanely fast respons :D I've found an early AF with the non-rubber focus ring -version in my local store for around $500. So maybe not a very good deal. Do you have any experience with this non-rubber-ring version?

[@kathodosdotcom]

ive owned them all. I own current 5 of the 180mm, of all vintages. that older one has a more narrow focus ring, otherwise its fine. price is a bit too high, talk some sanity into him/her

[@KristianBrouerSeedorff]

Great! thank you for taking the time to answer :-) very much appreciated!!

[@douglasmann624]

Hi Angry, I love my Nikon 180 - 2.8.However my 180 2.8 is terribly soft at 12 - 14 ft. focal distance; it's very sharp at closer or farther distances.Can you explain this please.?!!!My version is old with very narrow focus ring ( no rubber surface ), no M/A switch.ThxDoug

[@kathodosdotcom]

+Douglas Mann it should be, its not a close-in lens, same with the 80 200 2.8. Nikon warms users of this. what, only at 12-14 feet, .......and you tested that on a tripod vs. 8-12 feet? :/

[@yordanofff]

How does these compare with the Nikon 70-200mm f/2.8 VR @ 180-200mm f/2.8 ?

[@andreik3096]

70-200 are great, event on vr1 one af is very fast, but man, they are really longer (bigger). with 180 you still can walk on streets, 70-200 vr start to resemble a bazooka on a ff, it wouldn't event fit into all (smaller) camera bags :-P

[@MrGuitargod91]

@theoria apophasis if you already have the Nikon 200mm f4 would you still get the 180mm 2.8??

[@kathodosdotcom]

+Captain Brannigan ohhhh indeedy i would , i have several of both

[@andreik3096]

sizewize you'd take 200 f4 on the street most of the time in day time, it's sooo compact, but after the sunset you'd agree to carry more weight/size for extra stops. so, both are usefull and pretty distinct

[@fatfro1]

Would this be a good alternative to the tamron 70-200mm for shooting weddings in a church I wonder?

[@kathodosdotcom]

yes and the images are certainly better, but its no zoom of course.

[@fatfro1]

Ok. Thanks. For a zoom in this situation I was thinking either the 80-200mm or the 70-300 from your recommendations. Which one would you recommend out of the two for my purpose?

[@konradmroczek2496]

fatfro1 70-300 is too slow for church. You want 2.8 so 80-200 is the lens for You.

[@alejandrocosme1]

Angry photographer, just a question, it is ok to buy the new one? or the old 180mm 2.8? just wanted to know if the quality of photos are the same on both old and new. Thanks.

[@kathodosdotcom]

+alejandrocosme1 theyre not very close no, the 180mm 2.8 is an epic deal used, the new AF D version , just snag it :)

[@alejandrocosme1]

+Theoria Apophasis I am looking on ebay the exact replica of what you have. I am from the Philippines and looking if I can get it in Japan. Thanks a lot and I am enjoying your videos.

[@kathodosdotcom]

MOST of them are in japan

[@rydaug79]

Hey, brother. what are your thoughts on the 200mm AIs f4 Micro?

[@kathodosdotcom]

***** awesome stuff, also very cheap on ebay, usually about $220

[@btj1969]

thnx Ken. I got the third of them. Even i have a D7100 i see no point of upgrading my camera anymore. The images i get from this lens is just amazing. Portraits of my children are so wonderful that i want to cry. Thanks for convinsing me to buy this lens. I totally agree with you. According to DXO-Marks this lens is just a piece of shitty glass and a totally failure because it does not score so very high in "dxomarks-sharpness". But that is so wrong and you are totally right when you say they are like alcoholics judging a fine vine according to alcohole content. This lens makes portraits from dx-cameras really shine.

[@kathodosdotcom]

darn right!!! DXO = BULLSH*T :)

[@WayneHunter1000]

Wondering if you can tell why I'm having a hard time finding the Nikon 180mm f/2.8 ED-IF AI-s AF

[@kathodosdotcom]

i wouldnt buy THAT lens rather the D-AF 180mm 2.8

[@chrishay5442]

I would like to get the 180mm 2.8D but I'm a bit turned off because of the fact I may damage my camera if I accidentally leave the lens in MF when the camera is in AF. Is this true for all AF-D lenses? Or are there some lenses (like the 180mm) where you don't have to worry about it? Thanks

[@kathodosdotcom]

Chris Hay wellll, you just dont do that, leave it always on AF if you want a throw a piece of tape over it. only SOME AF-D lenses have this switch, not a lot. well the older one in this video does NOT have that switch

[@chrishay5442]

Theoria Apophasis I thought about that, but don't you need to put the lens on M to unlock the ring for the times you need to focus manually? Or can you turn it freely when the camera is on M and lens on A?

[@kathodosdotcom]

Chris Hay the lens wont turn on A

[@chrishay5442]

Theoria Apophasis From what I understand. The lens needs to be set to M [To unlock the focus ring] and so does the camera [To disengage the AF screw]. I'm just talking about the occasional time where I'm manually focusing at night or something and I accidentally forget to turn both back to AF when I'm done. It seems like such a simple mistake can easily stuff things up. Unfortunately with my clumsiness, I think Ill stick to AFS lenses. Thanks. Always enjoy your videos BTW :)

[@kathodosdotcom]

yes, one must have a mental post it note when doing the switch :)

[@DinoGrahovic]

Oh man i would like to buy one of these but in Europe prices are sky high about 400 $ for this lens

[@maverickyabut2002]

Would you recommend the 20-35mm f2.8D ?

[@kathodosdotcom]

Maverick Yabut Nooooo :P heh

[@yalcinarik]

is it wise to consider this lens when you own sigma 180mm f2.8 apo macro lens?

[@kathodosdotcom]

asking me about a sigma lens :)

[@joecerda630]

I hear these are sharper than the 70-200 types, maybe not the brand new Nikon but maybe the others...is that true?

[@philyandune1070]

I used the old version Ai-s manual focus for movie and i don't want to change

[@jlyriq]

If I have this 180 should I get the 80-200 f2.8d?

[@kathodosdotcom]

that depends, i dunno what youre doing with it

[@FreedomCompatriots]

I own one of those 180mms! I always wondered if somone can make a video comparing the optical quality to the 80-200 2.8D zoom. It has been my observation that people skipped over this little miracle lens for the zoom thinking it would cover all of the bases so why stunt oneself with just a 180 with the same 2.8 aperture. I think there is a good story for this! Inquiring Nikon vintage glass aficianados would like to know!

[@dn500]

I want to buy one of these gem. I found a 180mm f2.8 ed and the pushpull version of the 80-200 2.8 . Wich one shoud i get?

[@franklee0927]

What's your idea about 300mm f4.5?

[@kathodosdotcom]

Yuanrui Li i have a video about that lens, i own 2 of them, AWESOME TOP VALUE MUST GET lens !!!

[@619RobdoG]

I have all the expensive zooms and newer primes; ALL of them stay on the shelf. This lens never leaves my 4s

[@HSalamista]

Hi Ken, I found a nice copy of the Nikon Nikkor 180 mm/2.8 ED AIs for a good price. Is there optically any difference to the AF versions of this lens? Thanks.

[@kathodosdotcom]

there is a diff, yes

[@MMB.__]

I just got this for my Nikon d850.

[@tom0ocadoo]

thanks

[@dougdavies1089]

hi ken should'nt there be a lens glass covering the aperture blades on the old type lens just been sent one without one i hope he'll take it back

[@kathodosdotcom]

+doug davies you mean the rear side where the aperture blades are exposed?? some were designed that way :)

[@dougdavies1089]

this is an old one i picked up the glass is great it just seemed strange when i went to clean the back to find the blades uncovered thanks for your quick reply saved me sending it back

[@kathodosdotcom]

ohhh yeah, thats how it is on THAT lens and a few others :) you just open the aperture up all the way to clean the rear which you shouldnt do often

[@dougdavies1089]

thanks for the advice ken and always keep aputure f22 when not in use

[@rydaug79]

I just picked up one of these yesterday on Ebay for $360. Also I found a 135mm 3.5 AI for $110 today. so now this is the line-up for my new (used) D600. 50mm 1.4 G 50mm 1.8 D 100mm 2.8 macro (Tokina) 100mm 3.5 E series 135mm 3.5 AI 180mm 2.8 D So now I need something on the wide side for landscapes but I am running out of money. I am thinking about the 24-85mm 3.5 - 4.5 VR G. Do you think that is a good choice or could you think of a better way to spend the last of my money?

[@kathodosdotcom]

***** $110 damn!! You got it there!!! missing the wide zoom and 24 85 !!! define "last of money" ???? 24 85 is $220+ used 18 -35 cannot be had used really....NOBODY gets rid of them. I really cannot think of a better way no, ......however add a speedlight in there sometime somewhere!!

[@rydaug79]

I have a SB600. By last of money I mean about $300. I could spend about $1400 and get my dream lens the 14-24mm but then I would have zero dollars in my bank account. I am trying to wait until I start earning some income from weddings and family portraits so I can justify dropping that kind of cash on equipment.

[@kathodosdotcom]

ahhh, then the 24 85 VR G. :) weddings = 2 speedlights MINIMUM

[@rydaug79]

I will pick up a SB800 per your recommendation. Sent you five, Brother.

[@kathodosdotcom]

Really !!!!! Awesome......give me a while to send you a thank you letter been busy making videos!

[@rydaug79]

I'm trying to decide between this 180mm and the 80-200mm. I'm leaning toward the 180 because I believe I will get better results because its a prime. AND IT'S CHEAPER!

[@kathodosdotcom]

***** well yes, its half as much, but also has MUCH LESS coverage, so please consider that

[@rydaug79]

zoom with my feet I guess.

[@kathodosdotcom]

Amen to that.

[@joeblow9931]

have had one on ebay a week for cheap. no bites

[@kevingoza]

Just grabbed one in excellent condition for $339 from a local camera dealer!!

[@bijosn]

The coatings look different

[@AndrewMay100]

heya Nikkor AF 28-105mm f3.5-4.5 D yah or nay thx guvnar

[@kathodosdotcom]

a may yes if you love suck. Hhahhahaha!!! meaning no :P

[@kubacz6145]

Hi Ken I just listen to You and got myself pre D copy of this lens from Japan... Its like new and o yess it is great. Thanks

[@shundrixhinton3326]

Mine stop auto focusing and won’t lock in 2.8

[@kathodosdotcom]

grinding noise?

[@333payaso]

Hey Ken, I hate you for make me spend my money in this wonderful lens for which my D7100(bought it on your recommendation too) was asking for. Again, I hate you with all my heart............PLEASE KEEP HELPING PEOPLE IN MAKING GREAT decisions................THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR VIDEOS.

[@Dr-Jamal-PhD]

Hi Ken I'm looking at yet another 180mm the AIS ED 180 www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/180f28.htm which I was offered (used in as good as new Condition) for $275. Should I take it or get the newer ones of the Auto Focus? Thanks, JJ

[@iSOBigD]

I got one of the newer ones used for $300 Canadian not long ago

[@grahamsmith5975]

Literally ended up here because of that fucking noise. I feel like mines even more aggressive than that but same focus ring noise and it’s ten times worse with the af motor. Anyone with suggestions on how to minimize that?

[@justletmesigninokthx]

Can you do a video about your tatoos ?

[@sergio_x2487]

Nikkor 80-200 2.8d mk2 or Nikkor 180 2.8 af? Zoom costs 390$ and prime is about 350$ What about the picture? Is it equal or I will lose quality with zoom?

[@kathodosdotcom]

Sergio X the 180mm 2.8 is UNmatched by anything from any mfg. that being said the 80 200 2.8 is indispensably USEFUL for so much more. youre gonna have to weight needs and wants in knowing these facts :)

[@sergio_x2487]

Theoria Apophasis just to get it right. 180 is a silk sex and sugar, but 80-200 is more useful in many situations. Right? :) I don't know what mfg means, so it's pretty hard to get the point :))

[@kathodosdotcom]

mfg = manufacturer/ maker 80 200 2.8 , from where you seem to be coming from would make you the most happy its usefulness and image quality is unmatched as a tele zoom any any other. it is a wee slow at AF, but nothing to complain about unless youre doing fast action sports. ive got 2 of em :P

[@sergio_x2487]

Theoria Apophasis what about putting 80-200 on my d7100? I used this lens today and it's so fu**ng heavy! I was afraid of braking camera's mount. Or is it okay? Or should I ALWAYS hold the lens with my left hand? Thanks :)

[@kathodosdotcom]

i use it all the time on my D7100 works fine well, with such lenses, you hold the LENS far more than you hold the camera

[@colorofarthouse5152]

I got that lens today for $285 yeahhhhh

[@Bredddi]

Ken, I have bought 9 lenses on your recommendations. Haven't been let down yet. in. the. slightest. this lens is the next one on my list. was on flickr looking at it's images... check this microcontrast out... www.flickr.com/photos/32681588@N03/25254282117/