Animal experiments: pain, production and playing God | Human Animal

No animal industry attracts more criticism than research, where emotive images of lab rats, vivisection and cosmetic testing rub up against medical breakthroughs, genetic research and treatment for disease.
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The Guardian's Richard Sprenger visits three research labs to find out how the use of animals for research continues to evolve, and why the current conversation about sentience provides a bedrock for animal welfare
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[@jasminefrichtl806]

They only show the less invasive studys not the horrible ones were animals are tortured

[@MM-qp4pd]

There is a way to eliminate animal testing. Dr. Shiva Ayadurai created computer technology that helps eliminate animal testing. Dr. Shiva is the ONLY Presidential candidate who competent enough to explain this kind of science and invent it.

[@sallysarabrown224]

Virtual Reality is 100 percent . But these people are Groons. They enjoy their work

[@JustinTweed]

The saddest part is that a human life is the apex of life to humans. All other life is to benefit human life not to benefit all life

[@vvolfbelorven7084]

That’s the happiest part. I’m grateful to experience life as a human

[@mnorbs6486]

Not entirely true, much of research on animals benefits other animals as well as the environment - as show in the video.

[@soycrates]

@@mnorbs6486 that sounds like an argument for utilitarianism, which could easily be used to justify invasive and otherwise controversial experiments on human individuals to benefit others.

[@lizxu322]

​@@vvolfbelorven7084 most humbling part, not happy part. Saying you're happy makes you sound like a sociopath

[@gringa4914]

it benefits other animals too

[@meejinhuang]

Would they volunteer themselves instead of the lab rat?

[@myguitardidyermom212]

They wouldn't. Because they're cowards and they've compartmentalized the suffering they're causing as "just doing my job"

[@dannyallegra]

@@myguitardidyermom212 then you be brave and offer yourself to be used to test antibiotics, medical procedures, or vaccines that will save the lives of your fellow human beings.

[@kaiju4765]

Would you volunteer yourself?

[@AaronJCassidy]

@@dannyallegra < This guy microwaved his hamster. Calling it now.

[@doggobrando2126]

@@AaronJCassidy Ah yes. Ridicule people who actually made more sense than the original commenter.

[@lynnjones4291]

It's disgusting the shit they do animals...

[@sallysarabrown224]

DITTO !!!

[@EvoSporthorses]

Brilliant article, I think animal vivisection is your worst nightmare. I cannot imagine anything more horrific. When we have so many non-animal methods why are we still using so many animals in horrifically painful contract toxicity tests???? It's madness and cruel.

[@IndigoXYZ18]

There is no relevant difference(s) between Humans and the rest of the animal kingdom that we use as justification for denying them life, that most of us would consider moral if the same standards were applied to Humans (that is to say they are double standards). The most common example being we often use the intelligence gap (in one way or another such as calling it by different words like self awareness) between animals & Humans as justification for us bringing them into the world to suffer for our pleasure, yet they would never consider this justification valid for killing a Human of equal intelligence to the animal (whose intelligence, or rather lack there of was given as justification for killing them). This argument (known as NTT / name the trait) applies just as well to any of the justifications given (which are all variants of "killing animals is justified because of": intelligence tho, nature tho, species tho, might makes right tho, god tho, somebody else will tho).

[@jamesmatthews4838]

So you're saying that if you came across a trapped gorilla and a trapped mouse and could only save one, there'd be literally no way of choosing which.

[@chrismagee333]

@Jonah Whale But the relevant difference is the same in both cases. i.e. humans gorillas and mice are all sentient mammals capable of suffering and having interests but the capacity for a richer inner life (including the ability to suffer in ways the mouse cannot) puts both the gorilla and human above the mouse. For this reason, gorillas are not used in animal research so it's not a strawman - it's a demonstration of the relevant differences not captured by OP's overly reductionist argument.

[@s_kolorowa]

@@jamesmatthews4838 if two random men were dying who would you save if you could save only one

[@NonyaSmith]

​@@chrismagee333Lol that is, in great part, the literal argument for eugenics (not to mention speciesism). Now try to apply your "capacity for richer inner life" argument to human beings and see how it sounds. Yeah, it's time to go back to the drawing board with that one.

[@jester60ify]

I havent had any info on this subject for as long as 40 years when as a young student by that time and a bunch of twelve students of the Manchesters universities had hold a protest meeting in front of the gates of UMIST university having posters with photographs showing clearly animal tortured in the name of science and research for big industrial uses in order to get the common opinion concerned on it. I wonder if you can inform me on whats the established by laws situation by now on this subject in Britain and European Community.

[@junior-corradosoprano9435]

Translation. Pick the lesser of two things. Humans or animals. This is why this shud have oversight. Until they find a cure all for everything at least.

[@nti_4399]

@Jonah Whale Humans have a much longer life-span than mice, more complex thoughts and emotions, so how can they be lesser? And no other species is more adaptable than humans, because we can adapt to our environment culturally within a generation, without having to wait for evolutionary pressure and genetic changes. The only reason you're even wondering if it's ethical to use mice in research is because you have a far more complex brain capable of thinking about morals and ethics. The mice wouldn't care, it's just biology that each species looks out for their own survival, and right now we need to use animals in research in order to cure diseases and save human lives. We eat animals anyways, and they live in far worst conditions that animals in labs. Maybe one day we'll be able to move away from all of this, but factory farming is far more unethical and killing animals on a scale not even comparable with scientific research.

[@EKDupre]

Why do I have to pick between two options, especially when it's really just one option called animals? What defines a lesser evil, how would you measure that? Terrible argument

[@josiecirigliano9134]

This is an abomination, an horror. Those people talk about killing and causing suffering as a normal activity . This is absolutely Evil. And those people are criminals. 💔💙♥️

[@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind]

lol

[@apocalypsator6]

They say they're doing it for knowledge. Devil worshipers say that about their victims too.

[@josiecirigliano9134]

@@apocalypsator6 Right!👍💚

[@arionell]

If you ever get a severe illness, never, ever go to a pharmacy. See how will that turn out for you.

[@cassandrine]

My heart goes out to the scientists and animal techs. The amount they're villified by hypocrites who will reach for medicine at the first sign of illness when they're just trying to save lives. They really dont get enough credit for the harrowing work they have to do for little pay.

[@tashaax1993xanimalloverx]

Force feeding beagles? That's OK? ...

[@cassandrine]

@@tashaax1993xanimalloverx I'll need alot more context than 5 words.

[@NonyaSmith]

​@@cassandrineDo your own research, lazy.

[@InfernalPasquale]

What an awful industry. The interviewees were talking codswallop.

[@billmartins5545]

I'm vegan and have no issue with animal testing if it's for medical treatments to cure health issues. I wouldn't volunteer for LD50 tests myself, so it's either animal experiments or slower/little advance in medicine. Anyone against animal experiments better be vegan first, and better sign up for toxicity studies themselves.

[@sharonkahan1079]

What you say is so selfish and anthropocentric, you’re not a real vegan.

[@safaa9654]

Im not vegan and yet i find animal testing absolutely horrifying, no matter what for. All these animals go through immesurable pain and suffering. Maybe a few hundred years ago it was inevitable, but i hope we can do things differently noe

[@Cat-nf9bh]

As many people need to be against animal testing as possible, no gatekeeping. We definitely need to move away from it and use other models, and I'm not saying that's just gonna happen overnight. Right now at least in the US it's not even possible for a drug to be approved without being tested on animals.

[@dontnoable]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 "I think what's really challenging for people in our movement is that we don't seem to understand that 'human' is as much a construct as anything else. 'Human' is a construct in the same way that 'whiteness' is a construct. It is literally something created to create a division between us as superior & animal as inferior and then it's leveraged as we said in the beginning to oppress 'animal'-animals but also other 'human' animals, as needed. I see what we're trying to do in the movement is humanise animals & I think what we need to focus more on is deconstructing 'human'. So that we can understand that we are on the same plain as animals. I just think that shifts the paradigm about how we think about & approach our animal comrades. If we can see ourselves as existing within the same eco system & not being above it & not having our position be to manage it then we can start to understand how it isn't hypocritical to talk about animal rights & also defend that animal consumption that might happen. But if we always have this idea 'we have these brains so that's why shouldn't eat these animals cause we're too smart' - well, there are other animals as intelligent as us. & also what are we considering intelligence? Again we're having this very human exceptionalism lens on this whole thing & saying that that because we evolved to have these brains we should not now participate in nature. But that's actually the root cause of what got us here, is us always feeling that we were above nature, that it was ours to manage or exploit."

[@jamesmatthews4838]

@@safaa9654 You've just watched mice, cephalopods and cows not going through any suffering and yet came to this conclusion?

[@gbabybaby6523]

Wow such evil . Humans are getting the same treatment now how does it feel???

[@Mongoosemcqueen]

exactly

[@MM-qp4pd]

There is a way to eliminate animal testing. Dr. Shiva Ayadurai created computer technology that helps eliminate animal testing. Dr. Shiva is the ONLY Presidential candidate who competent enough to explain this kind of science and invent it.

[@B.L.I..N.K_S.T.A.Y]

Ppl have no heart

[@objetivista686]

Poor non human species 😒😥😥

[@jamesmatthews4838]

That cuttlefish didn't seem to mind eating shrimps alive.

[@Lil-Be]

I am in the middle when it comes to animal testing for medical reasons although pharmaceutical companies do test on humans big time just in more “sophisticated” way. I am very strongly against animal testing for cosmetic industry though. This is completely unnecessary!

[@Rafa-nn3zw]

92% of animal testing cant be translated to humans

[@miamitten1123]

Medical reasons is just an excuse

[@daveogram932]

No this shouldn't be aloud

[@27aphelps]

Allowed*

[@JoeSpaghetti006]

These people should all be ashamed of themselves animals deserve to be free!

[@richardjohnson5529]

Shame on all inhumans that do this to any animal testing must be ended

[@maxwellsequation4887]

Just a couple more decades :)

[@darkys-g4o]

Pov:You got curious for watching animal testers because of save ralph

[@Anonymous-cn6zl]

and yet humans believe that they will go to a place called "paradise" when they die.

[@johnnyfavorite1194]

Would you sacrifice the life of a human being to save a lab rat? That’s the question here.

[@equestrian_8499]

Yes

[@aliceee9904]

Yes

[@CitySeventeen17]

People that replied yes, what if it's a life of your mom,dad,brother,sister?

[@Fleurae]

@@CitySeventeen17 no answer to that one yet I see

[@Saindor141]

Nope

[@dontnoable]

No content warning for mutilating a cow with a hole in their stomach? Gross

[@Gustavo_Forbes]

We have 4 choices 1-Animal testing 2-No testing 3-Humam testing 4- "Alternative methods" (Doesnt exist)

[@annroousivakumar2819]

Computer model of a animal.

[@scottlewis6259]

Stem cells. Computer modelling

[@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind]

@scottlewis6259 elaborate

[@NonyaSmith]

Option 5. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

[@TreforTreforgan]

‘Are we the baddies?’

[@sharonhobbs5697]

Chymera mice bred with human genome

[@rabbitinvestmentforexby7386]

Sometimes i feel i experiment like taht all time whole life by me and the other and the world

[@dontnoable]

Ricky Gervais who isn't even vegan...?

[@miamitten1123]

Don’t have to be to empathise.

[@raskltube]

wow, i wish i could unsee that cow

[@김채연-n4b]

wow.. lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@objetivista686]

Some diseases can be preventable by avoiding having kids like huntington disease, a mendelian one..

[@1Geeked]

Or we could isolate the gene that causes Huntington's via research and remove it in vitro

[@objetivista686]

@@1Geeked without using animal lives for that. But this is the easiest way to reduce signficantly the frequency of hunt disease among human populations (mostly western european ones).

[@nti_4399]

@@objetivista686 Many people might not find out they have it before having children. Genetic testing is not available in most parts of the world.

[@epursimuove1633]

Completely support animal testing to save human lives. No animal life is ever worth more than a human one

[@Lil-Be]

This is your perspective. I personally think animals are way better than most humans.

[@GrayFoxROU]

@aposteriori421 Did they hit you in the head when you were born?

[@woolfy02]

Lookin like some yummy sushi rolls to me

[@PeaceLoveUnityRespect]

If we phase out animal experiments what about the individuals who are against animal testing volunteer themselves to undergo these tests that save humanity? Because at this point animal testing is saving human lives and a human lives are not worth that much then volunteer yourself for these tests, I would feel much pleasure watching you undergo these tests.

[@NonyaSmith]

Hey genius, have you any real knowledge on the subject? Read a single book or study about alternatives to animal testing? Or about its failure rates? Or the physicians and scientists all over the globe that advocate for the end of animal testing and viable, reliable alternatives? I didn't think so. Stow your glib attitude and go learn something.

[@NonyaSmith]

And so much for your sham of a name. If you can't have any respect for the issue of animal suffering, try having some respect for yourself by living up to your phony name and not being so obnoxious and glib. ✌️

[@MM-qp4pd]

There is a way to eliminate animal testing. Dr. Shiva Ayadurai created computer technology that helps eliminate animal testing. Dr. Shiva is the ONLY Presidential candidate who competent enough to explain this kind of science and invent it.