Animal-Free Animal Products With Cellular Agriculture

[@8lec_R]

When Hank said early 2021... I paused for a second and then realized it's June already. And half of the year has already gone... Wut? How?

[@WillArtie]

I know. Scary. Time has sped up so much lately...

[@lonestarr1490]

There've been so many days that played out virtually the same for me it becomes hard to tell them apart. If we'll ever have to go into lockdown again, for whatever reason, I'll be better prepared. I'll find stuff to do I haven't done the day before, even if that means renovating the whole house. Projects are good to give time meaning. A guy I know used lockdown to wrap his head around neural networks and AI programming, just because it was something he was curious about. He's done it right.

[@mamzelle100]

@@WillArtie My simple scientific, yet totally personnal, explanation for time going faster is this: Think of your memory as a whole... It contains everything you ever experienced in you life. When you are, say, 10, it is divided in 10 equal part of memories, so you perceive them as relatively long. On the contrary, when you are say, 50, your whole of memory is divided in 50 equal parts, so you perceive them as much more short. So, the more you age, the quicker time seems to you. Does that make sense?

[@8lec_R]

@@mamzelle100 yea totally. Vsauce just did a video about time. Absolutely worth it. Also watch it at normal speed (I usually watch most of mine at 2x but this one is absolutely worth it)

[@TrineDaely]

I know! Last year seemed to last so long, and this year has blown by.

[@PenneyThoughts]

One day we'll be telling our great-grandkids, "back in our day, meat didn't come from the kitchen printer..."

[@bopeep268]

Heh, this made me chuckle!

[@alviseceleste]

lol... could be

[@beastamer1990s]

@@priapulida aha stop, im only in my twenties and you're making me feel old. I still remember waiting 10 minutes for the computer to boot so I could play command and conquer off a floppy

[@-Devy-]

@@beastamer1990s Not to poop in your cereal but I highly doubt that this happened. C&C was only released on CD and would take almost 400 floppies to store.

[@PenneyThoughts]

@@beastamer1990s lol Cody. As I guy in my fifties, I can tell you horror stories of taking 20+ mins to load "Little Brick Out" from a tape cassette onto an Apple ][.

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

They are also growing cow leather for upholstery, purses, and other products.

[@Just_A_Dude]

Nice. Now if only they can be convinced to do full-thickness "saddle leather" and not just this shitty leather-veneer-over-fabric crap that most "leather" items seem to be made of these days.

[@khango6138]

Neat! Once this technology (or biotechnology rather) is fully developed and commercialized, the possibility is endless. Crocodilian leather without killing real crocs and gators, stoat fur without killing stoats!

[@absalomdraconis]

@@Just_A_Dude : I suspect the leather-over-fabric stuff is mostly vinyl, though I do think there are exceptions.

[@cosminmosmin]

2 words : cactus leather

[@Just_A_Dude]

@@absalomdraconis That too, but what I'm talking about is a trick they use to cut corners and still be able to put "genuine leather" on the labeling. They shave one hide into basically tissue-thin layers to get as much coverage as possible at the cost of the rugged durability that people associate with leather.

[@sailor5853]

If I had a time machine I'd go back and tell Pasteur we are milking yeast in the future.

[@sdfkjgh]

"They're milking -rats- yeast! Milking -rats- yeast!!" " -Rat- Yeast? You promised me -dog- Volvox or higher!"

[@joecaner]

Louis Pasteur initially invented pasteurization for the wine industry.

[@DontTrustThemSnakes]

That's all you fam

[@duncanbryson1167]

@@joeyhext8323 I've yet to find teets on almonds.

[@beth8376]

Hearing Hank talk about what I do every day in food biotech is pretty cool

[@Dyundu]

What you do every day *is* pretty cool!

[@andresramos7965]

You're living the dream, man

[@jcumm6867]

I'm such a proponent for this. I would support any product. Especially on the meat end of the spectrum

[@simonsaysism]

As an industry insider, do you feel that this technology will reach a point that it will be tasty enough and affordable enough for a majority of consumers to consider switching to it?

[@cruxunbreakable]

The island??

[@Mike504]

Finally! A meat-free-free meat alternative.

[@rampant1apart]

Free-free?

[@Mike504]

@@rampant1apart meaning it is free of all meat-free ingredients.

[@kevinreyes7629]

@@rampant1apart free fre free free!!! 😅

[@rampant1apart]

@@Mike504 Oooooh, I get you now.

[@expertoflizardcorrugation3967]

Ye. Chicken free Chicken is a good first step

[@tikayscake2416]

Nature: You can’t have your beef and eat it too Humans:...

[@MiloshFitzroy]

“...Hold my tofu.”

[@TessaBain]

Still technically true because once they're worthless cows go bye bye. Basically no one is going to bother with them if they have no value to them as a product.

[@ReubsWalsh]

@TheFantasticalBodyBag That way lies the dark side of utilitarianism...

[@tikayscake2416]

@@TessaBain they won't be a bought and sold commodity but wild herd of cattle will still freely exist

[@MrBilld75]

@TheFantasticalBodyBag I have plenty of counterarguments against your eating disorder cult diet of massive failure and numerous health problems.

[@laranadesign4764]

Ah yes - texture. This is why I have a bread hook on my mixer. Without putting work into the protein, the stringy texture will never form, thus your seitan will be a glob of protein and nothing like what you expected. It is interesting how the protein strands form, very much like in your body. You have to put in physical work to build the [plant] muscle tissue. As a 10-year vegan, these are not products I need, but if it's not hurting anyone/killing anyone, then I'm all for it. The more cruelty free options, the better. Eat what you want without harming others is definitely the goal. You still have the "all natural" folks in disagreement with the "science is cool" people, but that may never change.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

Is that why my seitan turns out horribly?!? Lol we tried one year for Thanksgiving and was a mistake or a missed steak lol

[@laranadesign4764]

@@Ataraxia_Atom well it definitely won't look like meat if you don't. Haha. If you want "turkey" for the holidays, I reach for Gardein's "turky cutlets" in the freezer aisle. Toast up and chop up with stuffing and the two gravy packets they come with - it's tough to beat. P: Seitan is it's own thing when you are not a big food company, but making homemade. I make mine in my digital pressure cooker so it's no work at all. A cheap dough mixer from Amazon with a dough hook will make a difference. 2 intervals of machine kneading and you will have that shredded texture guaranteed. Wrap in foil and on a steaming rack at high pressure for 125 minutes. Natural release or not, it's ready to cool. There are lots of recipes online, but I like mine the best. Tweak to your liking, but it's a bleander recipe because I'm that lazy. LOL. Blender => kneading machine => instant pot. Done. Delicious fresh and steamy or cold for sandwiches. -1/2c raw soybeans (soak overnight) -1 3/4c beef-style broth -2c "Anthony's" wheat gluten flour -2Tbsp oil (unflavored) -2Tbsp mushroom seasoning -2Tbsp nutritional yeast -2Tbsp onion powder -6 garlic cloves -1/4 of a tomato (or 1Tbsp ketchup) -2tsp dried parsley -2tsp Italian seasoning -1/4tsp sage -1/4tsp rosemary -1tsp red pepper flakes -3tsp beet powder -1tsp liquid smoke (optional) -1/2tsp fennel seeds -1/2tsp smoked paprika -3tsp white vinegar (do not omit, removes bitterness) Soak soybeans overnight Blend smooth everything except the gluten flour. Using a dough hook mixer (or your hands) kneed all for 8 minutes and allow to rest for 15 minutes. Kneed again until stringy. Wrap in foil or use a sealed cooking container for pressure cookers. Pressure cook on high for 125 minutes. When it beeps done, release the pressure and allow to cool on the counter while still wrapped. Enjoy.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

@@laranadesign4764 thanks for the reply. We were actually trying for 'steak' for Thanksgiving and it just did not have the right texture. Ill give your recipe a try forsure

[@laranadesign4764]

@@Ataraxia_Atom OH, I see. Haha. How very ambitious of you. 😄

[@Hashslingingslasher-]

You use the word "anyone" and "others" very loosely

[@Ermude10]

Honestly, the animal industry is abhorrent. If this helps our society to transition to less animal products (from living beings) then I'm all for it.

[@kevin4gwen]

The only problem is that if companies make cheaply made poor products🤮 you're going to have many people transitioning to hunting wild game or raising said livestock on their own land to eat.. There would have to be strict regulations in place for this to work properly!!!! Another factor would be the cost of said meet ...if it didn't drastically lower the cost of meat without compromising the quality of the meat 😒😒well I wouldn't bother buying it... And I'm sure there are many other people who wouldn't bother with it if it didn't lower the cost !?! .... The high cost of meat is actually one of the reason why several families turn to hunting for their meat supply ... You can get a year's supply of meat or more with only two hunting trips sometimes only one hunting trip depending how lucky you are ☺️☺️

[@wasd____]

@@kevin4gwen The entire animal industry is nothing _but_ "cheaply made poor products." Animals are ranched as cheaply as possible, in the worst imaginable conditions, and pumped with antibiotics to artificially grow them out as quickly as possible. But that doesn't stop people from buying meat. If anything, cellular agriculture has to be a step up in quality over the vast majority of commercially produced meat.

[@PaleGhost69]

Please consider doing a video on permaculture and urban food forests.

[@madamedent]

Yes, yes please!

[@KOKO-uu7yd]

Ooo!! Oooo Oooooo!!!! YES YES YES PLEASE!!!!!🙏😁💞💞

[@Soken50]

And regenerative agriculture! It could be argued it falls under permaculture but I think it deserves a video of its own.

[@rickdworsky6457]

@TheFantasticalBodyBag yes, indeed, someone gets it! bravo!!!

[@virglibrsaglove]

I ditto that!

[@NinjaPirateJedi]

I say if it tastes like meat, feels like meat, has a smaller footprint than meat, and is provides the same nutrition, I'M IN! Now would that mean I'd still be vegan... Perrrrrrrhaps?

[@Kyle496]

Vegans care about consent, once all this can be done without taking anything from an animal it won't be non vegan to eat a ribeye.

[@LordDragox412]

@@Kyle496 Vegans care about consent, which is why eating people is vegan as long as they agree to it :P

[@EnigmaticLucas]

@@Kyle496 Isn’t that why breastmilk is vegan?

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

Vegetarians rarely care about environmental footprint, even if meat causes a crap ton of "pollution". It's about all the animal abuse that goes on. It's downright inhumane. I would eat some meat If I knew that the cow or whatever lived outside with shelter and an huge open field and if it lived it's ENTIRE life happily... Im also down to eat roadkill meat, since it would be wasted otherwise, and it's already to late for that animal anyhow.

[@FoziVideos]

given the fact that veganisms ethical qualms about eating meat are about animal suffering and exploitation, a meat created without those would be vegan, yes. After years of being shunned for holding that opinion however, i think a lot of vegans might resent people eating cruelty-free meat and calling that vegan. That's a separate issue tho

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Very excited for this. It's going to help so much. Plus organ growing for transplants might be helped by this developing tech

[@rickdworsky6457]

faith in technology is a blasphemous religion that's killing everything

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

@@rickdworsky6457 if you are religious, wouldn't you say that all good things come of god? That all good knowledge and understanding is light and of god? I agree that blind faith in technology can be bad, and in some cases can get you killed if you don't also use wisdom and and basic reasoning. And without kindness love and compassion all the technological advancement in the world would be for nothing. The technology discussed in this video could help alleviate the suffering of so many animals. And help many people get the nourishment they need. Those are great endeavors. Is it not said that "faith without works is dead"? And that " by their fruits ye shall know them"? I agree that rampant consumerism and out of control capitalism are a great evil that is being scourged against the general populous of the human race. It's my hope that humanity reaches the point where all poor are treated fairly and are given the necessities to live with dignity. I hope that humanity can enter a post scarcity economy where there is no more unnecessary suffering or pain as soon as possible😓.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

It's the other way around. The technology is a spin-off of artificial organ research. The scaffolding method used for the synthetic chicken was pioneered by the artificial organ researchers.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

@@andrewsuryali8540 ah, that makes sense. The organ thing has been talked about so long I lose track. I hope it actually happens very soon

[@ryangoepfert9112]

@@rickdworsky6457 he said typing on a phone

[@retsujou]

I always preferred the term carnaculture.

[@drunkvegangal8089]

carnist, carnism too

[@rcfp2006]

I call it food

[@TheQue5tion]

This could also have great medical applications. Being able to grow meat in labs in a way that forms muscle structures could lead to being able to regrow muscles for those who have had to get part of or entire muscles removed for medical reasons. If we can find a way to reproduce a collagen scaffolding of muscles and grow them with stimulation then the next step would be either finding a way to grow veins and capillaries in them or find a way to grow them inside the person they are going to.

[@spongebobislyfe5906]

@@louisfalcone5494 Get better at trolling

[@ZoggFromBetelgeuse]

I'm looking forward to tasting lab-grown human liver. I hear it goes well with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

[@Nirrrina]

I was thinking about polar bear steaks.

[@-NGC-6302-]

>scientists are animal torturers I’ve never seen peta having any issue with geologists or physicists...

[@SleepEvermore]

@@louisfalcone5494 would you rather they test on humans instead?

[@ktvx.94]

Digimon World 1 was so ahead of its time

[@dologongpoloponobonotongpo235]

soylent green

[@hoosekisea]

I see you are a man of culture

[@patrickholzer6415]

I loved when I finally upgraded the meat farm to filet steaks

[@meganborrows1716]

I find this kind of culinary science to be really fascinating and I'm all for it. Give me lab grown meat

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

So am I, megaborrows!

[@ljs8824]

Oh quick stove cooking tip for anyone using ground meat substitutes: medium high heat, mash that wad out into a large pancake and brown it on both sides and then gradually both chop it into smaller pieces and lower the heat. Helps maintain some of that texture :)

[@pipp972]

Thank you!

[@ryangoepfert9112]

I like actual food

[@crystalwolcott4744]

@@ryangoepfert9112 then this comment wasn't for you they said right at the start my friend

[@karenthesis5074]

@@crystalwolcott4744 preach

[@lasarousi]

No, if you're using near substitutes don't hydrate immediately. Cook it with half water half fatty/ oil to be absorbed into the substitute with the spices. I'm talking specifically of granular protein meat substitutes, they taste great is prepared with fat out of the box.

[@shawnkramer6043]

When it becomes cheaper than current meat is when I’d start buying it regularly. But I think it’s the future and the way to go.

[@Bdogbeets]

You could just eat vegan food instead of waiting

[@n.g.s1mple29]

@@Bdogbeets clearly he doesnt want to do that.

[@jatpack3]

I'll pass.

[@AshArAis]

Part of that is government agriculture subsidies. Corn is subsidised in the US and wheat here, so it dictates what is used more. Same is done for meat/dairy vs veg

[@Lorenzo-vu7pe]

@twentyfivekgplants tomake1kgbeef don't care, call me when meat alternatives are affordable

[@ThisSteveGuy]

So we need to make robots that use synthetic muscle fibers to move, and then later we'll hunt the robots and eat them.

[@chinookvalley]

I see a bad dream coming from this comment tonight. Thanks a lot Steven.

[@TheRogueWolf]

Can't wait to sit down to a plate of bottom sirloin servos.

[@strilight]

So who are we going to get to build the giant robot with the island face?

[@sailor5853]

I completely endorse this suggestion.

[@khango6138]

If we can grow robots using organic tissue, there is an ethical boundary that hentai has warned us not to cross... 😅

[@bluthammer1442]

I remember talking about this at work, 3 -4 years ago, being all nerdy excited - and every single person in the room was so disgusted at the idea. A literal moral disgust.

[@Furiends]

lol. If you talked about how their meat is made now they'd be just as disgusted. The secrete is to never make them think about it.

[@bluthammer1442]

@@Furiends not quite - farming is big around here. Few people who havent butchered their own animals.

[@ieaturanium574]

Cow: I am suffering greatly! Dairy manager: Good news! New technology allows us to stop exploiting your body for milk Cow: Yay! I can finally have a life devoid of agony! Dairy manager: Yeah... I don't know about the "life" part

[@mirrortestant1796]

Pretty much true. But let's not forget that the living space and feed needed for the cow necessitates taking away the only means of survival of wild animals, their habitat. And cows need a lot of feed. You probably knew, but in your conversation with the cow it sounded like life would be lost if we stopped consuming them.

[@debbiehenri345]

A cow is deliberately bred to live 'only' as long as it is 'useful.' Once it's badly hurt, sick, markets for products change, or yields of milk drop through old age - they're dead anyway. They are 'only' alive because humans have given them the precise conditions to be so. There's hardly a domesticated animal on this planet that hasn't been genetically manipulated until its ability to survive in the wild hasn't been completely invalidated... Meat chickens bred to the point they can't stand. Laying chickens bred to lay every day. Sheep bred to the point they 'must' be sheared. Cows that 'must' be milked regardless, whose udders are prone to deadly mastitis. That's no sort of life in my opinion, and we humans should be utterly ashamed of the way we have created animal monstrosities that are so totally dependent on us, and yet are treated so brutally in return.

[@sierrasouthwell9237]

@@debbiehenri345 I mean, pigs at least seem to do pretty well in the wild (a little TOO well.)

[@sirkrow7118]

Ik this is a joke but for the purposes of education ima leave this here. Cows won’t produce near the amount of milk they do if they r stressed or uncomfortable. Yes some of this can be bred out just like how cows were bred to produce more milk, but it’s much more simple and cost effective to just take care of them. This is what every dairy farmer ik does. They always emphasize the cows comfort in correlation to their milk production.

[@CorbiniteVids]

The cow was going to die at a mere fraction of its natural lifespan anyway. If we can keep more cows from being forcefully brought into this world just to meet that same fate, it's an improvement

[@Ali-bu6lo]

This can also have so many otger revolutionary results. Imagine if we could grow heart, liver or kidneys in a lab, organ transplantation would be revolutionized.

[@TheCian19]

Even imagine what this could do for world hunger

[@expertoflizardcorrugation3967]

@@TheCian19 now we're thinking. So many lives can be improved, so much cruelty prevented, and all with fewer emissions

[@gdsoflovenbeauty]

As far as I know this has already been done. A tiny brain, heart, eyes, and even a womb have been lab grown. Some have even been transplanted.

[@search895]

They been researching that for a while now.

[@slickestrick4117]

World hunger isn't a supply issue as much as it's a logistics problem

[@zatar123]

Whenever I hear about stuff like this I think about how this solves the problems of getting animal based foods to Space stations and Moon/Mars colonies.

[@vonneely1977]

True, the first generation of Mars Colonist are going to have to be vegan whether they like it or not - the infrastructure to produce meat is just going to be too difficult to do for the first decade or two. This new tech might shorten that time from landing to burgers by many, many years - yay!

[@AMorphicTool]

@@vonneely1977 Depending on how embryonic development is affected by reduced gravity the ability to grow meat outside of 1G environments may be limited to lab-grown entirely. Imagine a future where colonists would have to ethically consider having to spend a significant portion of their lives in simulated gravity stations as children grow into adults, or moving to higher gravity places just to start a family. Now imagine that same future trying to satisfy it's desire to consume animal based products. Synthetic alternatives may just end up becoming the prime source out of sheer convenience.

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

@Von Neely it could be used to turn waste into food and fertilizer. (something most people forget about when talking about environmental impact of meat, it mostly consumes waste) And it depends on how big they start, having more people would give reserve of specialists at all time and psychological benefit.

[@ImieNazwiskoOK]

Also if they would make something like park there is even more waste

[@absalomdraconis]

@@vonneely1977 : The first gen of Mars Colonists will probably eat lots of fish & shellfish actually, and maybe even chicken eggs. Among other things, if your biosphere has been carefully balanced to suit your colonist's needs, then it's also _fragile,_ so you want a good amount of extra capacity that gets used by "fine granularity" disposable consumers- and to avoid wasting the investment in those consumers when they die, you want them to be eaten themselves. Admittedly, there's also the fact that this lets you use animals to preprocess some nutrients with less need for direct human intervention. Some of the algaes, for example, would be nutritionally perfect if not for the fact that they reliably give you gout.

[@i2eptilian]

The day we can straight up replace slaughterhouses and cattle farms and such with literal meat factories will be a big one, and I am all for it. I love meat, and if you're telling me I can have a real, made-of-actual-meat steak, without having to kill anything to get it? Why, that occasion would call for the finest cut of meat that science can grow!

[@McBernes]

LOL you seriously need to trade mark the phrase "the finest cut of meat that science can grow". that's a commercial tag line if i ever heard one!

[@tRexArmXtender]

@@LangThoughts As it turns out, not true. This was propaganda the Germans spread. This guy did eat meat. But he did learn a thing or two from slaughterhouses

[@lc9245]

I’ve always thought the issue with meat is waste. I’ve seen so much meat went bad and had to be disposed of at the supermarket because they weren’t sold, it really hurts. That’s not even considering people letting their meat goes bad. Somehow, the old butcher model of stuffing unsold meat into sausages then boil them seems much more economical than the mass produce farm system that floods the market with meat and fish, we have today at supermarket chains. Agriculture produces plenty of excess, but instead of preserving those excess for the future, the economic model of agriculture makes it more profitable to actually dumping them rather than selling them at any cost. Just look at the initial corona food excess dumping. I think it’s time to look at not just alternatives, which really, is corporate labs chasing the fab to create novelty, but agriculture system as a whole. I would rather people not consuming less meat, but consuming less cattle but all of them: offals etc... and not waste anything. The good thing about Asian in particular and poor country food culture in general, is that their cuisine leave only the animal’s bone, which also boiled in soups. That’s the respect those animals deserve.

[@rickdworsky6457]

'meat' waste includes all the humans who died from eating it

[@virglibrsaglove]

I had a friend from Africa. He taught me that they even eat the smaller bones there. And that nothing goes to waste there. Where he lived, anyway. It was considered wrong. And not affordable. I don't eat meat at all anymore. But I agree with the idea that wasting food is wrong.

[@joannot6706]

Killing an animal isn't respectful🙄 The respect an animal deserve is at least to not get killed with total impunity. Edit: And that's placing the bar really really low as far as respect goes, which shows how much you tripping with your respectful slaughter that animals deserve.

[@ninamo3523]

Don't forget the other waste product from raising animals for meat. All that manure gets into our water and agriculture.

[@dankeykang4576]

Most food waste is actually produce, funnily enough

[@silentcaay]

I'll be happy to switch to a meat-alternative as soon as a satisfying one comes along. I've tried a few different ones and while some haven't been bad, they're not something I would want to eat regularly. My ethical concerns are more for the environment than anything else.

[@Kayleigh_McKee]

Gardein's "Beefless Ground" Is some of the best stuff for tacos and bolognese spaghetti (if you can find it, it sells out quick because its good stuff), would highly recommend it! I takes very little time to cook right out of the freezer and if you season it really just feels like meat to me- and with less mess

[@scottslotterbeck3796]

I love the Beyond Burger at Carl's Jr. It's amazing. It is wonderful.

[@ryangoepfert9112]

@@Kayleigh_McKee no that stuff tastes awful

[@klausweasley]

Oil and gas are both far worse contributors to global warming. Eating local (meat/dairy or otherwise) is the best way to go.

[@mehere8038]

Have you tried wild boar or kangaroo? Both great options on taste & for the environment. Stores that sell them will likely have a range of local game/feral pest animals that are in need of culling to protect native species too, so eating these funds their capture/cull & environmental restoration :) Regenerative agriculture raised livestock are great for the environment too, as are many insects

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

I remember when they were first experimenting with this and used the name "shmeat," as in "meat shmeat, just eat this stuff I grew in the lab instead." The name "cellag" short for cellular agriculture sounds much better. Then, a few years later, they invited people to eat a $300,000 burger with zero seasoning so they could accurately compare to real meat. It tasted the same, but since it had no seasoning, it still tasted bad.

[@Crootcovitz]

Kellogg's Cellag

[@appa609]

If the FDA lets them label this as beef we riot.

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

@@appa609 They wouldn't WANT to label it as beef. The whole selling point is that it isn't an animal product and can be made healthier (though it doesn't have to be, and if it is, there will trade-offs with taste). It is more expensive by a lot and will be for a while. They aren't going to be trying to sneak it in anywhere anytime soon. It will be a premium product for a while.

[@Mean2guy]

@@Sam_on_KZbin You're right that it will first be introduced as a premium alternative but I don't think it will stay that way. Technologies have a tendency to get cheaper and better at an exponential rate (like moore's law with computers). I think eventually dead animals will become a premium product for rich people who want to know that something suffered for their dinner. This'll happen even faster if we stop subsidizing meat in the US.

[@Bilious303]

I thought they called it shmeat because they were taking leftover protein chains from feces and growing mest from it

[@kynan178]

Milk isn’t the only product companies might be able to make this “Whey” Lol…

[@astick5249]

@twentyfivekgplants tomake1kgbeef This video is about growing animal cells without the rest of the animal. Therefore removing loads of the problems you stated.

[@BK201DarkerThanBlack]

@twentyfivekgplants tomake1kgbeef The chickens being gassed to death or baby roosters being ground up instantly on birth isn't the worst way to go. Roosters don't usually have a very good life if allowed to live in equal ratios to hens. It's not sustainable for the hens or the roosters. The roosters don't really... tolerate each other's existence very well either. Some don't get to eat because the others won't allow them too. So, at the end of the day, the moment chickens are hatched, some roosters are going to have to die early at some point. I lived on a chicken farm and came from a poor family. We didn't have a fancy way to kill our chickens when they got too old. We used a simple fire axe. Not easy to kill an animal with an axe either, especially because you don't usually go through the neck in one whack.

[@boygenius538_8]

@@BK201DarkerThanBlack why not just slit their throats? I’m assuming you ate them afterwards.

[@BK201DarkerThanBlack]

@@boygenius538_8 You know. I never did ask my parents that specific question. But I can't say a chicken bleeding out for 15 seconds from having it's throat sliced is a great alternative to taking a second or two to lop it's head off.

[@cabudagavin3896]

Do the ol spinnaroo

[@Baby_boodle]

I am so pumped for this kind of technology to become sustainable and widely available.

[@michaeljf6472]

Tofu: "Finally...a worthy opponent!" "Out battle will be legendary!"

[@zizo0ditto1989]

It’s lovely to get right to the meat of the discussion. For real though, I love the taste of meat but feel guilty eating it, so this can’t become mainstream quickly enough.

[@kamifuujin]

I never understood the guilt of eating meat... do you feel bad because a life was ended?

[@Kyle496]

@@kamifuujin It means an animal was likely forced to live in a tiny enclosed area or cage, likely never saw the open sky except on the way to the slaughter house, and never once got to enjoy a moment of it's life. This applies mostly to poultry and pigs, cattle aren't typically forced to stay in an enclosed area (however they can be forced into an enclosed area with little room for moving due to sheer quantity of cattle in such a small area). You can find some farmers who ethically raise their animals cage free, but they are the exception, not the rule. You'll not find those types of meats in your neighborhood grocery store. Keep in mind almost all animals experience joy/happiness (even pigs and chickens) and depriving them of that of their entire life is quite sad.

[@zizo0ditto1989]

@@kamifuujin i mean yeah, also the living conditions for animals in the meat industry are horrendous.

[@Dumbledore6969x]

You can quit right now. They sell fruits and vegetables at every grocery store, you’ll even extend your life by 10 years lol

[@n.g.s1mple29]

@@Dumbledore6969x did you not hear the part about liking meat ?

[@Italian_Isaac_Clarke]

I too had this dream, but then doubts emerged when I noticed the roles that animals like cows have, for example: -they can digest much of the inedible waste (like the stem of the corn plant) and transform them into fertilizer. -they can live in non-arable land and just eat the grass & stuff there.

[@mehere8038]

exactly! & they're much more efficent at conversion of that waste than we are! the sugars & proteins we need to feed these processes to make stuff artificially need to be factored into what's in discussion here! Their feed conversion ratios aren't very good, when considering the level of processing of their food required & how much crop waste it generates

[@SaschaUncia]

Although this is true, the problem is that the growinh demand for meat means most cows require a lot of crop land growing cattle feed only to feed those cows. More greenhouse gasses and more deforestation as a result as well. Even with vat meat I can't imagine cows being disused entirely, but most of the demand could be fulfilled by the greener vat meat.

[@SaschaUncia]

I.e. keep some dairy cows around and feed them all the corn leftovers, get meat from vat instead.

[@mehere8038]

​@@SaschaUncia currently in Africa alone, 1 billion hectares of grass is burnt every year because of a shortage of large grazers like cows to eat it. India has the world's second biggest dairy industry, 100% of it's cow feed is crop waste & grass from non-arable land. Over 90% of all cattle feed globally is pasture from non-arable land & crop waste. 6 billion tonnes of grass & crop waste is fed to livestock in the world every year. That's not a "handful of cows", that's a LOT of cows needed to dispose of that waste! Look at the current mouse plague in Australia. That's in croplands not grazing land, but if crop waste wasn't disposed of by cows, that would be an annual global event!

[@SaschaUncia]

@@mehere8038 In Canada we used to have massive herds of bison which the colonials hunted to near extinction. This sounds like less of a not enough cow s problem and more of an ecological damage problem. Although cows due eat a lot of byproducts, they also consume large amounts of feed crops grown only for them (news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat). To add to this, they also consume massive amounts of water (www.watercalculator.org/footprint/foods-big-water-footprint/), occupy a large % of arable land (themselves and their dedicated feed crops), contribute to greenhouse gas emissions, and contribute to soil erosion. The growing demand for meat means there will only be more cows. A lack of land for cows in some areas leads to things like the burning of the amazon to make room for ranches. The answer is not 'No Cows', but it is certainly not 'More Cows' either.

[@Simte]

This is great, I became plant-based because of cycling but the scientific aspects behind some of the food being developed is really cool.

[@johnhannah4259]

Do you know how much wildlife dies because of farm equipment. I'd rather domestic animals lose there life's over wildlife so if there's more farms there's less wildlife and more cows pigs and chickens wich would you rather honestly. Humans are animals we evolved as a predator and when you take a predator out of the ecosystem all the animals suffer

[@Megastone-yh3wl]

Yea the science behind it is very interesting

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

@@johnhannah4259 where does a majority of the grain from the farm equipment go? They are fed to farm raised animals which we kill for food. Your argument doesn't hold water.

[@Paulo44.01]

@@johnhannah4259 All the farm animals eat food that was grown in farms, and you need a lot of stuff to make a kilogram of mean - especially beef (about 9 times, from the figures I've heard) The Amazon is being cut mostly to grow soy to feed cows or for pasture

[@johnhannah4259]

@@Paulo44.01 no I'm not for mass farming I'm for harvesting your own food big difference

[@timcarder2170]

*"The future is now."* - Soylent Corporation 2022

[@AW-zu4kk]

YOU won't believe what it's made of!

[@nutzeeer]

This I wonder what people will think about this

[@denisalala]

OK so I came here to comment „The future is now”. Did not expect to see the Soylent Green reference.

[@Canttish1983]

Beat me too it lol

[@UTF016]

"Soylent" is an actual product currently on the market. And it’s pretty good. It’s not made of human meat, but it achieves the same result.

[@HuslWusl]

This is so interesting. I'm turning 22 soon and it's amazing to think about how far all technology will come in the next 30 or 50 years

[@jmlfa]

Exciting indeed. You will take a green pill for breakfast, a blue one for lunch and a red one for dinner. That will free your precious time, allowing you to click even more.

[@MH_Binky]

One day chicken skin printers will be a thing, and I will immediately die from overconsumption.

[@Midori_Hoshi]

Science is amazing. I stopped buying most animal products a year or two ago, and am looking forward to trying lab grown animal products when they are available.

[@SamSam-ir7ux]

@@louisfalcone5494 this is all 🧢. Biologist use cell cultures for some testing. Chemists never use animals for test stop making stuff up. Also if you want sh*t talk doctors and science. Break your phone and ac cause they use chemistry. Destroy all your stuff in the medicine cabinet. Go outside and never use any type of tech.

I'm curious to see the vitamins and minerals in those lab grown meats, 'cause in real meat that depends on what the animal is fed. I wonder if they will be able to replicate it or just use supplements like in fortified foods.

[@pri.sci.lla.]

Animal feed is also supplemented I hope you know that

[@TechBearSeattle]

@@pri.sci.lla. - Muscle tissue is rich in vitamin A, several B vitamins (particularly B-12) and is an important source of dietary iron, zinc, selenium, and phosphorus. These occur naturally, and are not the result of the antibiotics and growth hormones used in factory animal production. Any meat substitute would need to replicate its nutritional profile.

[@JohnyDaison]

@@TechBearSeattle Not so much, B-12 is actually produced by bacteria. We and the animals used to get B-12 from drinking water, which used to be full of bacteria, but now that's everything chlorinated, there's a B-12 deficiency in normal diet. Because of that, they give the animals B-12 supplements, and that translates into meat rich in B-12. That's good for us, but it's not natural.

[@TechBearSeattle]

@@JohnyDaison - B12 is produced by bacteria, yes. But the bacteria require lower acid levels and longer fermentation times than can exist in the human gut, which is why we've never developed the kind of symbiotic relationship that the bacteria has with ruminants such as sheep. We do not need much to be healthy, so only occasional beef, lamb, or beef dairy consumption is sufficient. However, vegans and vegetarians who abstain from dairy DO need to supplement with B12.

[@pri.sci.lla.]

@@TechBearSeattle I’m aware and of course vitamins wouldn’t come from antibiotics or growth hormones what an odd thing to say. B-12 is supplemented for factory farmed animal feed as it’s not produced by plants or animals, it’s produced by bacteria that exists naturally in the dirt. The problem is 99% of factory farmed animals don’t have access to the outdoors often enough to get sufficient b-12 from the dirt. I hope you’re aware that almost 40% of Americans are deficient in b-12 and most of those people eat animal products therefore they should supplement as well. It’s not a vegan issue, it’s a lack of nutrients in our food issue.

[@BrandEver117]

Question: Are these meats basically clones in the way Bananas are? Do we have to worry about disease potentially being spread without genetic variation? (although I suppose getting some new stem cells to start this process is easier than cultivating an entirely new plant). I'm guessing this is a dumb question but it popped in my head so here it is.

[@yopassthefuckinsalt922]

By that point, gene editing should make them more immune to diseases, and the places where they'll grow will be isolated from the outside for hygiene reasons, so the chance of a disease spreading is minimal. Also, the fungus that causes the disease in bananas can hang around on the soil for a while and spread through neighbouring plantations, and those aren't really issues with lab meat. Also, it's not dumb to want to know things you don't know, don't feel bad for asking questions (unless they are obviously inappropriate in the context)!

[@jarb151]

hmm not quite, they are grown in bioreactors, in other words very closed spaces, that dont allow the entrance of fungi, virus, bacterias, etc. the only risk is loosing effiency from using the same cells, but yeah getting another sample is more efficient

[@IONATVS]

Based on the techniques involved I’d expect the types of contaminants/pathogens that might affect them would only affect single lab facilities at a time, and be relatively easy to excise with a thorough decontamination. Like how most food is today. You’d have a recall and short-lived shortage at worst, while the facility would be cleaned, checked and cleared for reopening, but since the facilities are enclosed labs, not open-air plantations with deep soil the blight can hide in, even if something similar were to arise that could attack ANY lab-grown meat in that strain, it can be effectively quarantined and eradicated. And even if a strain had to be retired because of a blight, they can just repeat the same process they originally created the meat substitute cells with donor cells from a different animal to fix the issue. There will still BE a healthy domestic cow, pig, or chicken population to make a new specimen from, unlike bananas where most cultivars are only barely edible and the ones that people like can only breed with human help via clonal cuttings.

[@sashasscribbles]

Bananas still had to grow on the trees which is why that was an issue. This meat would be a clone technically but its growing in an unnatural enviroment where diseases wouldn't be a concern

[@mizzdeester3958]

Well I imagine some herds will continue to be bred for sampling. Stocks of prize bull sperm are supplied to farmers already so it's not much of a jump for eggs or stem cell banks to be created to maintain variety and health, plus wild type genes can always be fed into the gene pool from wild cows. In fact it would give us more control over the safety of our meat cjd bird flu etc

[@AlbaxArcade]

Man! I love when my bacteria starts lactating!

[@zeryphex]

I would love to eat lab-grown meat.

[@Alex-lp6bg]

Google «Beyond Meat». Its already in the supermarkets.

[@taradreams3]

@@Alex-lp6bg Beyond Meat is delicious, but it's not lab grown meat like they were discussing in the video. It's made from Pea Protein and other plant products.

[@rickdworsky6457]

to suit a lab shaped mind

[@Renee-vz3cx]

Me too!

[@operationNOBO]

You are nuts haha. This is completely opposite of organic.

[@jackielinde7568]

Somehow, I think this joke from Better Off Ted is apropos: Jerome [tasting meat made in lab]: It tastes familiar. Ted: Beef? Jerome: No. Linda: Chicken? We'll take chicken. Ted: What does it taste like? Jerome: Despair. Ted: Is it possible it just needs salt?

[@jackielinde7568]

@@newrev9er Maybe you need to go find Better Off Ted and watch the series? I'd spell it out for you, but you don't sound like you're in an emotional place to enjoy said Joke.

[@musicfan9309]

The last one sounds exactly like the episode of "Better off Ted" from quite a few years ago. On a different note, I don't see how this will ever be commercially viable cost wise as compared to just animals grown naturally, but I do see this as a method for life aboard a space ship. Now once you want to colonize another planet, you'll need the livestock for other things like fertilizer and and powerless muscle power. But aboard a multi generational spanned space journey then I see this as a method to ensure better nutritional health.

[@FleyDragon]

I hope the same can be done with fish. I miss the taste of fish. :(

[@Banana-wr8dq]

Synthetic salmon can't come fast enough

[@lonestarr1490]

I'm not sure, but as far as I know fat is still an issue. For everything else the process _should_ be pretty much the same (as far as I understand).

[@appa609]

Go eat a fish then... Go to a Chinese market. They're cheap.

[@timgleason2527]

Wild Type and BlueNalu are two companies working on that. www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/story/2019-12-25/lab-grown-fish-just-got-real-san-diego-startup-shows-off-first-slaughter-free-yellowtail%3f_amp=true

[@MrBilld75]

Then eat fish. Good grief, Veganism and plant based is so stupid and restrictive and unhealthy.

[@heythere8318]

what im most excited for animal free because of macros: chicken breast and turkey breast gelatin and bone broth fat free greek yogurt and skyr fat free cottage cheese shrimp 95% lean beef tuna egg whites salmon

[@bjarkiengelsson]

I like my beef 92%, bit more flavor to it.

[@MaxPower641]

I highly favor these lab meat products over real meat. I'm excited to see how they'll turn out in the next 5-10 years if they have a affordable price for everyone. I'm still in doubt whether I try these products or not. I'm happy with my soy nuggets. Still lab meat will be a big part of our future dietary plans

[@noemirios7902]

I still prefer ethically raised and slaughtered meat, but printed meat can be a good alternative. I've dispatched chickens before and it's a good way to appreciate how food comes to the table and none was wasted.

[@bobbobber4810]

You can always mix both.

[@noemirios7902]

@@bobbobber4810 I eat tofu every once in a while, it's not meat but it's still a good tasting food when prepared right.

[@HarbingersBuddy]

Every time he said “way” after milk I was still thinking “whey”

[@RedHair651]

"Damn you, wine-whine merger!

[@somairasa3732]

Well I love goat brains, pork intestines, pork blood sausages, chicken and duck liver and the best part the bone marrow. So I hope they engineer a whole living animal one day so I can enjoy them all.

[@emeraldqueen1994]

As someone who eats A LOT of the plant based options for meat substitutes, I’d be really interested in trying these out

[@3lapsed]

I'm here for this 100% I have no problems with some meat replacements on the market now, but they're lacking. So I'm fully into 3D printing a steak at home the night before I grill it

[@ems7623]

Ha. If the technology can get that far, sure. I have a feeling it will be a tall order, though.

[@DAndyLord]

I think it would be a good idea to modify food crops to only produce the desirable bits. If we can provide synthetic tree sap to developing individual oranges we'd save a tonne of water. Grow plants without roots or stems, just grow seed pods hooked up to tubes.

[@rickdworsky6457]

insanity

[@DAndyLord]

@@rickdworsky6457 Why? It'd be much more efficient to only grow the part of the food we actually want to eat.

[@BZAKether]

If they can make the same amount of nutrients per kilogram as real animal meat using less resources it could also help the enviorment as well, with less forests being cut down for beef pasture. Even better, they could remove dangerous components from the meat. It would be a huge win-win for everyone.

[@michaelvcelentano]

Omg, Asimov literally predicted this in the later Foundation books!

[@andrewsuryali8540]

I think you mean the prequels. The "later Foundation books" usually refer to Foundation's Edge and Foundation and Earth. Also, the Trantorian protein factories are just rehashed from the same concept found in the Robot series featuring Bailey and R. Daneel.

[@michaelvcelentano]

@@andrewsuryali8540 Ah, ok. I meant later in publication order, so Prelude and Forward

[@whyamiwastingmytimeonthis]

As soon as these become cheaper than actual animal products, it's a win-win!

[@Kiwipai]

Well, before it becomes a win-win there's gonna be a potentially decades long battle with the meat lobby.

[@EmilyJelassi]

I try to limit my intake of red meat. I'd love to be able to try the plant-based "meat," but they always have mushrooms and I'm severely allergic. The idea of lab-grown meat and dairy sounds amazing! Probably more expensive, but worth it, I think.

[@ems7623]

The plant-based meat substitutes are very inferior in quality and taste.

[@raf.raf.]

Hey! I don't know if seitan is available where you live, but it usually doesn't contain mushrooms, at least the ones sold here. You might want to check it out. Also, some plant based alternatives taste better than others (and some do taste pretty good and close to the flavor of meat). But some unfortunately taste a bit like cardboard, as the user above said.

[@sdfkjgh]

@@raf.raf.: I'm not sure if seitan* would be a good choice for someone allergic to mushrooms, as it's made with fungus. *Hail seitan! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJmrg2SuorenpNE

[@VeganAncientDragonKnight]

@@ems7623 but they are superior for the environment, ethics, and health! 💚💚💚

[@drunkvegangal8089]

Please read ingredient labels more carefully. I make my own seitan at home and there are no mushrooms because I despise the taste and mouth feel of mushrooms. I've bought a lot of seitan from grocery stores over 32 years and none, not one, contained mushrooms. Even in different countries than Canada they have all been mushroom-free. Mushrooms! SHUDDER!!

[@jakes.house.]

As a vegan for 3 years I've never heard the term wheat meat however I am thrilled.

[@rickdworsky6457]

animal cells aren't vegan

[@gabrielem_]

@@rickdworsky6457 Veganism is not and never was about meat. That's just one of the stereotypical ways that veganism is being viewed in although it's a fair assumption given that one of the things vegans oppose the most is the animal agriculture industry. Veganism is a justice movement. It's a philosophy that seeks to minimize needles harm caused to sentient creatures to the highest extent possible and practicable. Eating meat and being vegan were never mutually exclusive. Nobody cares what one puts in their mouth as long as they don't cause any harm doing so. Therefore animal cells can be entirely vegan.

[@pri.sci.lla.]

I’m vegan for ethics but I’d be willing to try this in the future. Great for the animals and environment!

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

It's impossible to do anything for ethical reasons. It just makes you a bigger hypocrite when you realize there's so many things that you be doing for ethical reasons but don't because you don't know the truth behind all of the products you use/consume.

[@Ab-ve8nc]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 ya so don’t try to do anything good right!?!?!

[@Ezekiel903]

and then we have to introduce lions or other predator to keep the number of cows stable!! i will never stop to eat meet

[@maxschubert345]

Just try to live in peace with your fellows

[@pri.sci.lla.]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 if you’re a nihilist sure, but I like to think I am making some more ethical decisions. Progress over perfection.

[@abhayagarwal5097]

These things makes you feel good about the future and knowing that it will eliminate suffering of animals completely .

[@TheLionEric]

Sometimes I think mimicking meat isn’t nearly as good as making dishes that never had meat in the first place. I’m looking at you Asian cooking

[@Darius-kl3jk]

I get it, but in this instance, it's literally actually meat

[@fireaza]

Vegetarians: *VISABLE CONFUSION*

[@jamesbyrne3033]

Quite confused that in a world where a product like this is available, people might still prefer to violently abuse and exploit animals so that they can eat their meat instead. It's baffling.

[@misterflibble6601]

Pretty sure I saw this on an episode of "Eureka"

[@Chromia1]

I came here to say that!

[@Nirrrina]

I wonder if someday we'll be able to sort of eat way more exotic meats. Like polar bear or any other animal. Yeah I got a weird head & a headache. I'm going to blame this first thought I had on that. "Does this mean I could eat my cat without eating my cat?" I was also looking at the cat then. She's adorable.

[@habibainunsyifaf6463]

I like the sound of this not because the ethics. I just want a high efficiency food factory.

[@Bruno-cb5gk]

yeah it would allow us to grow whatever part of whatever animal we want. There would be no more bad cuts of meat.

[@Dragobot7]

@@Bruno-cb5gk Maybe? Probably not thought since the things that make "good" pieces of meat good is their location on the animal and so if there is no more location..... who knows?

[@seighartmercury]

@@Dragobot7 It's not really the location, it's more about the structure, texture, etc. Tenderloin isn't "good" because it's near the middle of the animal, it's "good" because it's soft and tender.

[@DemonLord_D]

Animals are walking highly efficient food factories. They make food just fine and way better than anything else

[@Kyle496]

@@seighartmercury I think he meant location of where the animal was raised. For example many think Japanese beef is best because it was raised in Japan (which simply isn't true). It's breed, feed, and variety of other factors. If location has anything to do with the texture at all it is likely minimal.

[@bugandrews]

I'm vegan and I've been keeping my eye out for lab grown meat and how the vegan community is gonna react to it, but I'd never heard of the lab made milk thing! That's really cool

[@virglibrsaglove]

I'm really curious, too! I think I'd rather stick with plants and fungus myself. But I'm super excited that a lot of meat eaters might be happy to switch to this. I'd want to know more about how the stem cells are collected, etc. But it does sound like it has the potential to cause a lot less harm overall than raising animals for meat.

[@genzo454]

@@virglibrsaglove Yeah, it's not a perfect solution, but it could potentially reduce the overall amount of farm animals by quite a lot, not to mention it also has the potential to be produced even more efficiently (and thusly, more cheaply) than meat from animals, since you don't have to worry about as much about waste products and overcrowding, so in time, I think it might become the industry standard for farming meat, which is something I look forward to.

[@bugandrews]

@@virglibrsaglove I agree, reducing overall suffering is great. I think lab grown meat will be the best option for a lot of people who have to eat meat (disabled people and people with specific food allergies as a good example) as well as for pet food

[@virglibrsaglove]

@@bugandrews OMG, I hadn't even thought about this for pet food yet! I feel horrible that my cats have to eat meat, but they don't have the choice not to. This would be a wonderful option for them! And like you said, for people who can't go without for whatever reason. Or even people who could but don't think they can. I think that some animals will suffer from this, too. And there will be some environmental impact. But a LOT less than farming animals for consumption. I think this will be a huge improvement!

[@virglibrsaglove]

@@genzo454 I'm thinking so, too! And I really hope you're right! Though, I'm definitely going to check out Nature's Fynd when it hits the stores, too. 👍

[@daymanAAAAHHHH]

Amazing! I hope I live long enough to experience this!

[@johnmarriott9151]

Lol 2:37 Happy birthday Fusion of Stacked Modules. Big boy 8 yrs 🎊

[@SciFactsYT118]

Random fact: There are over 6,000 known species of grass.

[@bobbobber4810]

Cool.

[@cabudagavin3896]

Including bananas

[@mehere8038]

and grasslands are one of the most endangered ecosystems on the planet, with only 0.5% of natrual grasslands remaining in the world. Grasses also make up the vast majority of C4 plants in the world & C4 plants, at 5% of all plants, account for 23% of all terrestrial carbon sequestration . C3 plants like trees, at 95% of plants account for the other 77% of carbon sequestration

[@cabudagavin3896]

@@mehere8038 and what percentage of global carbon sequestration does terrestrial sequestration make up? and are you familiar with the concept of carbon sinks vs carbon reservoirs? also could you give me the source please? just the title of the paper i can find the link.

[@mehere8038]

​@@cabudagavin3896 yeh most of it isn't terrestrial is it! Point is though, if looking at land, grasses are actually better than trees. Why so much focus on trees all the time! Would be better to be focusing on mass bio-char production & getting carbon back into the soils where it belongs! Anyway, look into C3 & C4 photosynthesis for more info. I think that percentage I got from the above on wiki, should be able to find papers from there. C4 plants really are very interesting to look at & compare to C3 though, especially as our climate changes & warms & dries. There's a project to try to convert rice from C3 to C4 too, cause C4 is FAR more water efficent in converting carbon in hot climates. Corn, millet, sorghum & sugarcane are C4 photosynthesisers, basically all other crops are C3's

[@itsgonnabeokai]

I don't care about lab grown milk per se nor ice cream, but cheese. Mozzarella. Parmesan. Blue cheese. Camembert. Cream cheese. That's the real stuff I can't live without. That's where the research should focus.

[@crabe804]

NAILED IT As a 7 yo vegan, I don't care about meat at all, it seems even odd to eat that when you're not used to it anymore. But cheese remains missing for me (ptêt parce que je suis français)

[@khango6138]

I'd love to switch over to cell-culture meat!

[@downwithtrudeau]

This is a step in the right direction. Less animals will suffer needlessly. For a plant based diet to be beneficial to humans it has to be raw unprocessed food.

[@pgoconn]

"And milk isn’t the only product companies might be able to make this *whey.*"

[@ChrispyNut]

hehehe, figured I couldn't be the only one to catch that. :-D

[@kevinhoman306]

Does this mean we can ethically eat human meat?

[@IIARROWS]

What do you mean? I do that all the time, at least if they were a worthy opponent.

[@LordDragox412]

We always could. You just need to find someone willing to give you a piece. As long as they consent, it's also considered vegan :P

[@Merlincat007]

@@LordDragox412 I think it's still illegal even with informed consent, at least in some countries.

[@nevet1212]

If they can make lab steak I would love it, as long as its cheaper and better for the environment, the latter isn't that hard.

[@RedHair651]

It's not going to be cheaper than heavily-subsidised animal products, but eating less of it would perhaps make it cheaper overall

[@nevet1212]

@@RedHair651 well a guy can dream

[@IJustWantToUseMyName]

Now I’m curious- I am allergic to casein. Would my body react to the genetically engineered casein in the same way, since it has the same DNA sequence? Or would I be able to safely consume this weird brew?

[@aleciastar1433]

Your body would probably react. You might have a different reaction if it was folded very differently. (Folding is the final shape of the protein) But that is unlikely if you still react to casein if it was heated, salty, or acidic. Those conditions would cause the protein to denature(un-fold) Basically your body has an antibody to the shape of casein not the amino acid chain. If the shape changes then your reaction might change too. As long as there is no unaffected molecules left over. But apparently casein is still causes allergies after heat treatment so there might not be any hope here. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022347605814064

[@drunkvegangal8089]

Would engineered casein still produce *beta-Casomorphine-7 - that addictive morphine opioid hit that animals milks have?*

[@aleciastar1433]

@@drunkvegangal8089 maybe . I had to google it. It comes from the breakdown of bovine b-casein variant A1, B, and C. So if it is the those variants, then it will. But if it is A2, then no. A1 is most common variant, and A2 is the 2nd most common. There is A2 milk sold in stores because some people think it is healthier. They might choose A2 because of that, which will be less likely to have that byproduct.

[@drunkvegangal8089]

@@aleciastar1433 Well, if it weren't for the cholesterol and saturated fat I might try this lab milk...I really miss cheese. Folks aren't kidding when they say cheese is addictive (basically, very concentrated milk). Thanks!

[@cabudagavin3896]

@Drunk Vegan Gal Just remind yourself that you and the other 75% of people who are allergic/intolerant to dairy cant eat it

[@RealBradMiller]

Been waiting for this since I saw it in an episode of Eureka!

[@rickdworsky6457]

fools flesh

[@Chromia1]

Don't tell Chester!

[@JB-yc1lk]

Two questions for future videos. 1. How long it will take for a human body to cycle blood? 2. What is black fungus infection?

[@JavierGarcia-vf7xl]

Cellular agriculture gonna be bussin 🥵

[@MiguelMorales85]

Thank you patreons!

[@alejotassile6441]

Beautiful, this was always my dream

[@rickdworsky6457]

instead of actually cleaning up your habits, I suppose

[@alejotassile6441]

@@rickdworsky6457 yeah =)

[@user-hf6vy8xc4i]

How do they get the original cells? If from animals, what condition do they live in and do they harm the animal to get the cells initially needed?

[@clarencebenjaminlim]

I didn't know Singapore sells lab grown meat???

[@hairytick7882]

I want to see an animal-free milk advertisement on a billboard that simply states... "Do you know da whey?"

[@racciacrack7579]

Hey Vegitarians and Vegans, would you eat lab-grown animal products? Yes or no? Curious about it. I figure those who are such because they are grossed out by eating animal products would not, though I'd suspect those are such for moral or environmental reasons would say yes.

[@beth2616]

I’d eat eggs. I love eggs and miss them greatly. I’m lactose intolerant so milk is out anyway, and meat grosses me out now, but I could come around to lab grown fish possibly. :)

[@pri.sci.lla.]

I’d be curious to try it

[@bensrandomshows1482]

I see no problem with lab grown meat, if it doesn't involves raising an animal in deplorable conditions and then killing it sounds alright to me

[@davetoms1]

Personally, no. The idea of consuming flesh has become repugnant to me, so even if all the ethical problems are addressed it'd just be a nasty idea. I long for a future when - fingers crossed this ever happens - carnism is considered a crazy behavior of the past unless absolutely necessary to survive some dire crisis. On top of the "ick" factor, I have two issues with lab grown meat. Efforts put into lab meat could be put into more efficient means of food production, plus it continues to normalize the consumption of animal flesh which I'm hoping will become abnormal within my lifetime. Thanks for your curiosity, Raccia!

[@NeuralWreck]

hell yeah, good food without abuse 👉😎👉

[@Reano29s]

What is the process for extracting the tissue sample?

[@Darasilverdragon]

I'm so happy this is hitting shelves As soon as they can make passable substitute steak, I'm ditching actual animal meat for good ...'Till then, sorry cows-

[@Alex-lp6bg]

Google «Beyond meat». Its already in stores. No steak yet, but many other products like burgers and sausages.

[@elitemook4234]

I won't. You think rich people will be eating this crap alongside us? No they'll still be eating real food while we get crap made with cheaper and cheaper ingredients as corporations try to push up profit margins at the cost of health.

[@nicholaslewis8594]

Elite, nice copy and pasted response😂

[@bobbobber4810]

@@elitemook4234 So no change?

[@Merlincat007]

@@elitemook4234 You already eat meat that barely qualifies as food, pumped with antibiotics and preservatives, while the rich eat the finest cuts of meat (except less often since they have dieticians to remind them of the massive health risks of eating lots of meat).

[@daveharrison84]

I just watched Seaspiracy. We need lab grown fish too.

[@urielbarbozaperez5152]

There is a company called finless food that does that!

[@gillianbelk1316]

Wild type, Finless foods, Should Meats, and new wave are all cell based fish company's!

[@vasilismarkandonis9435]

Lab-grown meat is revolutionary

[@elitemook4234]

yea, people are likely to revolt if you try to force them to eat it.

[@syeina]

We're just at the beginning of it and I'm so excited for lab-grown meat to become more common.

[@Merlincat007]

@@elitemook4234 No one's gonna force you to eat it. You can just go vegan lol

[@elitemook4234]

@@Merlincat007 No thanks.

[@nicholaslewis8594]

Elite, you don’t seem to understand😂

[@DerHerd]

How does the Stem cell gathering process look like?

[@sgboy21]

Yeah. Down with Big Farm

[@mytuberecap5346]

Morpheus: "So, do you want the red or the blue pill?" Me: "Which one is meat, again?"

[@vitamink1028]

I love that they're using similar tech to make silk as well.

[@virglibrsaglove]

Now that's an interesting idea. I think I prefer the idea of Nature's Fynd fungus based meat alternatives. And plants. But I'm up for considering this as a potentially sustainable and ethical way for people who want to eat meat to live.

[@CorbiniteVids]

@@louisfalcone5494 you're getting defensive. The mere suggestion that animal lives are worth something and that petty material tastes and profits aren't more important doesn't mean we have to drop all of modern medicine. That said, animal testing is woefully inaccurate. If animal testing had always been the norm, there's lifesaving medicine that's totally safe for humans that never would have been approved, and there's plenty of medicines that passed animal trials but have killed people. It's already possible to test medicines on cultures of human cells, combining that with other modern testing methods gives us a far closer look than animal testing can. Modern medicine has come a long way since "jab it in a rat and see if it dies". But the politicians who set the laws around animal testing don't trust changes in science and feel more comfortable with what they always remember being the norm, so if a company wants to sell in international markets they pretty much have to test on animals as a formality, even if a drug has already been found safe in humans. It's about politics, not what's actually scientifically necessary

[@golddee2040]

I ate a beetroot patstrame sandwich the other day. It was pretty freaking good. I was amazed at how much the beetroot nailed the texture.

[@joshuasims5421]

This addresses the ethical question, but is this synthetic meat have a better carbon and water footprint than real meat yet?

[@Merlincat007]

I don't see how it could not be. Industrial agriculture (for cows especially) requires so much land, water and fuel. This just requires some time in a vat and not a ton of electricity.

[@pri.sci.lla.]

Yes. I’m an animal science pre vet student and we have had lectures on this. Since it wouldn’t require feeding an animal is going to greatly reduce the water and carbon footprint.

[@TheFalrinn]

Not sure on what the math is right now with the tech still being pretty new, but long term it would certainly have a much smaller carbon/water footprint since you would only be growing an animal's muscles rather then an entire animal.

[@Awrethien]

In theory yes, but the key thing is the energy input. Right now most of that is eating feed, and that energy will be replaced by nutrient solutions(that have their own energy cost) as well as the electricity used in growing and producing the synthetic meat. Where that energy comes from will be a big question. I'm sure it will have a smaller land foot print, might be better with water, but if the energy cost winds up being more than actual meat it will be a niche product.

[@TheFalrinn]

@@Awrethien It might be higher in terms of electric consumption, but that's a solvable problem since the facilities can be located in places with reliable renewable energy and not necessarily where the animal will thrive.

[@AmyDentata]

Microbes are the next "industrial revolution" and it's weird but also very cool

[@Nobody-vr5nl]

I'm fine with not eating meat as long as it's not just soy and oil

[@VeganAncientDragonKnight]

Well Beyond Meat is doesn't have soy. Also JUST Egg is soy free. 💚💚💚

[@cabudagavin3896]

Wow is that new? Last time I checked they did have soy, shame about the rapeseed though

[@bbsp_airsoft]

Its weird how hank is in my tiktok timeline so often that i totally forgot that hes actually hosting sci show

[@vinayhegde9328]

Earth: I am going to end because of you caused climate change Hooman: Hey, I need that texture on that meat I cant live without...mmm

[@JMAssainatorz]

@@louisfalcone5494 a can of worms and a half that one. While i indeed agree that the practice of using rats an intelligent as all hell animal for testing is horrid i also kind of want to live and have a stable life of wich im sure you want too. Its easy to call doom upon others but the moment its our selfs and our families then.. yeah no dice. We need a more humane option something i feel removing the brains and concciousness from the equation of meat production is atleast taking strides towards. : ) But yes lab practices are horrid but atleast there are rules and regulations on just the lengsths you are allowed to go.