Hyenas and The Killer Queens Of The Animal World

[@animalogic]

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[@iz6566]

Great episode! I wish only to add about African spotted dogs, who are also led by a reigning female and her consort male. Her daughters can try to test her dominance, which usually results in building a new clan or a deadly conflict.

[@edward9643]

Bonobos are the coolest of that family- no inter tribal rivalry, no canabilism and no violence- because they settle every dispute by getting physical in a frisky sorta way

[@naraferalina2308]

Yeah it's amazing. Angry? Just shift it to horny and fuck it out. Gender of the partner? Who cares!

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

1st one to finish loses. And also wins 😁

[@iz6566]

Oh they can be very aggressive when a male trespasses on a female. Her whole support group will come to her side...often with consequences for the male

[@edward9643]

@@iz6566 which strongly indicates that it doesn't usually have due to the complexities of their social dynamics

[@godking]

They can live like that because they dont have compete with normal chimpanzees. If they had to directly compete they would be wiped out

[@the_newt_nest]

There's a bonus episode of Clint's Reptiles where he relates a story about some of his colleagues training bonobos. He said they had a much harder time with them than the chimpanzees, because you can't give them the kind of...positive social signifiers...that they expect without ending up in jail. So to bonobos, you're a rude asshole.

[@eric2500]

Bonobos must view humans as cold, withholding, and not socialized decently!

[@rjsblanket3024]

Solution: Make a fake Nut Sack/Pouch, rub to socialize, Boom, you're in... -AAAaaand have been Excommunicated from your Human social group

[@the_newt_nest]

@@rjsblanket3024 In jail!

[@NoahSpurrier]

“Joe, remember, it’s for science. Now get in the cage.”

[@brianphillips7696]

I hadn’t thought about that problem. Lol

[@erika30pinki]

The elephant and bees idea is so ingenious! Like, people might have thought a huge wall, barbed wire, electric fence, night guards, etc. But then someone was like "what about a bunch of bees?" 😂😂😂

[@Ziorac]

The funniest part is they've tried all of those other things, but elephants were too smart and found a way around it. Bees just work. xD

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

That Thumbnail made me think this was a Zefrank video😂

[@bastetje1]

So true😂😂😂

[@rogerogrant]

He definitely needs to use that footage of the Bonobos scissoring. 😂

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

@@rogerogrant I'm sorry, what?

[@rogerogrant]

@@DefinitelyNotAFerret 09:58

[@scbtripwire]

Gotta love those moments that the filmed or photographed animal decides to literally stand on the photographer to have a look around from their vantage point!

[@Tim_Teller]

These guys are like chimps except they won't rip your face off for no reason

[@teedjay91]

And won't hunt down monkeys to eat them alive to prove our masculinity. (I actually don't know if bonobos also hunt or not)

[@dustind4694]

@@teedjay91 They do hunt other primates. It's been on the books for awhile, 2008 or so. The frequency is low and the hunting groups are likely to include individuals from male and female groupings.

[@Oinker-Sploinker]

@@teedjay91 Tf are u talking about? chimps hunt down other monkeys to eat.

[@22espec]

The chimps do it to them.

[@falcolf]

To be fair, humans also eat other primates sometimes (I'm referring to the bush meat trade, not cannibalism; any omnivorous or carnivorous animal will resort to cannibalism if desperate enough.)

[@tsbrownie]

I saw an article on women in professions a few years ago. As I remember, Thailand had the highest % of female CEOs at about 42%. Female doctors there are 45%.

[@sympathy_for_strays]

8:08 that is the most human-looking manner in which I've ever seen an animal sit 😂

[@gretchenmeinzen9962]

Genuinely disappointed how little bonobos are actually in this video. They're so much more complex and fascinating than presented here.

[@animalogic]

Our Second Nature series covers a wide range of animals and their behaviours. We have a spotlight video on bonobos here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYXGdIOemdh4ia8si=djhp9VReFKa1Wh3m

[@jacklincoln3]

They really should have been clear what the talking point of what this video is in the title instead of making it look like a bonobo video

[@gretchenmeinzen9962]

​@@jacklincoln3I agree!!! The title is misleading

[@meteoritessound1673]

@@animalogic most mamalian species are led by females. males come and go

[@jackdawed]

yeah i was expecting a hyena video and was very excited this is still interesting but i want a hyena video SO BAD they’re so interesting

[@petebyrdie4799]

King Julien should have been Queen Julienne. I was told Madagascar was an excellent documentary with David Attenborough but when i got the DVD it was unconvincing CGI and full of factual errors like this.

[@themistressofminerals]

... There is a natural documentary called Madagascar, that I'm pretty sure its narrated by Attenborough. I dont think you were meant to watch the cartoon 😅🤣

[@petebyrdie4799]

@themistressofminerals There is, I was having a bit of fun. I've actually got both the DreamWorks movie and the Attenborough documentary on blu-ray. They're both great.

[@themistressofminerals]

LMAOOO so sorry about that I'm autistic so I was instantly like "oh no they're missing out" 🤣😂

[@petebyrdie4799]

@@themistressofminerals No problem, the fault is probably mine. I've a habit of making quips that are not obviously untrue. I need to get into the habit of using 😉

[@mariakasstan]

Domestic (and feral domestic) cats also raise their babies communally, at least if the Mums are related mother/daughter/sister families. I think this has also happened (in my roof!) with raccoons, but while there were lots of babies and two adults, I never actually witnessed the raccoons birthing or nursing.. In the case of honeybees, the queen bee is the breeding (egg laying) female but if she begins to fail, the group knows it is time to replace her. She doesn't have any power and will be replaced by one of her own daughters at the choice of all the worker bees.

[@nckojita]

they dont rly need to be related or even the same species tbh. i’ve even seen a mother rabbit and a cat birth their babies in the same box and the cat would let the rabbits nurse on her and care for them just like she did her own babies. cats just instinctively adopt babies ig, probs why u can give orphaned kittens to any nursing mom and she’ll usually adopt it instantly

[@kellydalstok8900]

@@nckojita It’s because of the hormones in the cat’s body after giving birth. The mothering instinct is very strong. I’ve even seen footage of a lioness that had lost her cubs mothering a young gazelle or wildebeest. The young didn’t suckle, unfortunately, and it died.

[@nckojita]

@@kellydalstok8900 the mothering hormones are truly wild tbh. i feel like domestic cats have it intensified as a result of domestication making them more social or smth though i’ve even seen male cats lay down and allow kittens to suckle on them for comfort. but man once they’ve given birth they truly will adopt ANYTHING lol

[@DavisXero]

I was literally looking for a Bonobo documentary yesterday and now this drops. I love life sometimes

[@Scarlet_Soul]

We'll never truly Bonoknow

[@bretfisher7286]

😂

[@N3ur0m4nc3r]

if there was more than 30 seconds about them, in the whole video, maybe we would have.

[@blessedbeauty2293]

- Please keep making longer videos like these. I prefer them to the 5 minute videos you normally do. ❤

[@iz6566]

And thank you for finally telling about the real structure of lioness prides ❤️ By the way, Asian lionesses live in female-only prides, mating with males who are then not allowed to stay. Perhaps there are more resources where they live, or this is just more beneficial in another way.

[@MrMerlinsMagic]

I would have to respectfully disagree that the elephants are coming in contact with us. I think it’s humans that are invading the spaces of the elephants. When will we stop … is the question?

[@drachior]

It's easy to tell strangers on another continent to remain sick, hungry and poor for the sake of elephants, while your own stomach is full.

[@rhondah1587]

@@drachior The massive overpopulation of human beings have been crowding out wildlife for generations now. When we lose the diversity of life on this planet, all life on this planet will suffer. We are currently in a massive extinction period, losing hundreds, if not thousands of species every year because of human encroachment into their habitats. It would make more sense to curb human reproduction to a more sustainable level before we lose all the diversity and wonderous wildlife on the planet.

[@Cooch13p13]

Respectfully, you’re ignoring nuance, modern humans have been inhabiting Africa for as long as we’ve existed, especially parts of sub Saharan Africa and some ancient human species have arisen just a few million years long before certain elephant species including the African elephant even. My point is, the idea of “invading” the natural habitat eg. Deforestation, overhunting and human induced climate change is a more recent addition to our environmental and political affairs especially involving and regarding elephants caused by things such as capitalism such as its role in the consumerism of elephants in the black market and for humans and elephants to peacefully and ethically coexist with one another is entirely possible, and has before till the addition of capitalist induced factors, so humanity itself isn’t the inherent issue

[@rhondah1587]

@@Cooch13p13 Human being numbers were minute, tiny compared to what they are today. Human beings were prey for many predators for thousands and thousands of years as well as the lack of any medical intervention for disease and injuries. Humans are so numerous today that we are crowding out wildlife like never before in our history.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

A group of hyena is called a cackle. A group of pigs is called a precinct.

[@jamesdietz29]

A group of crows is called a "murder".

[@robertlinscott7719]

And a group of baboons is called a congress, just saying.

[@theeoneandonlyushygushy]

😂

[@tikimillie]

A group of endermen is called a haunting

[@tikimillie]

A group of geese is called an emergency please send help they got me surrounded

[@BBB_bbb_BBB]

I love how brutal the animal kingdom is. The idea of lions having to be like, "uh-oh, dad is hungry again," is just wild.

[@DisProfundis]

dads don't eat their offspring.

[@HOKKIS99]

​@disprofundis3477 true but change that to: "uh-oh mum and aunties have new stepdads for us" and its what happens regularly.

[@timexyemerald6290]

People often don't talk about it but lionesses actually kill pups too. and it's not the case of there are too much cubs to raise or that they are sick etc. they kill other lionesses cubs. its not just the male lions that kill cubs, its female lions also kill other prides cubs on daily basis. thats why lion population doesn't recover as fast as it should. 😅😅

[@angeladibble]

@@timexyemerald6290 Gosh that's terrible. I wonder what it's kept quiet.

[@tonydeluna8095]

I found an old chimpanzee drawing I did on pen when I took a drawing class back in 2010. Nothing compared to the way I make art now. Brings back memories!

[@waxwinged_hound]

Bonobos are my favorite non human primates because they make love and not war, bonding and settling disputes with affection. It's the kind of life I've always wanted to live.

[@jamesyoungquist6923]

Shout out to all the amazing women in the world. Every day at work I'm so glad to have a mixed workforce and talented women in leadership positions. We're all in this together ❤️

[@naraferalina2308]

Aye. As a woman. Shoutout to the wholesome men in the world. Those who helped me become a better person and learn. Who gave me space to try and prove and improve myself without judgement in both workspace and the gym baby!

[@bretfisher7286]

Bonobo. Say it with me. Bonobo! Bonobo! It's fun! Walk around all day today saying "Bonobo!" 😂

[@jamesdietz29]

Ba-nan-na Po-ta-toe Bon-o-bo

[@bretfisher7286]

@@jamesdietz29 😉

[@edward9643]

Hmm, u know what they say about how small things amuse .....

[@bretfisher7286]

@@edward9643 Yeah, especially right now. Find some pleasure and innocence where you can.. .

[@edward9643]

@@bretfisher7286 oh too true and thanks- u have schooled me grasshopper 🤩

[@pagandeva2000]

But, if too much land is claimed for farming AND surrounded by bees, I feel it STILL ISNT FAIR TO THE ELEPHANTS. We humans are encroaching on their land. This “natural solution “ can become “natural manipulation “

[@hrpdrp97]

They have plenty of space and food, they just want the nutrient dense and stockpiled easy to get food, wich isnt good either. Unless they are domestic individuals they should never be relying on humans for food, not even by raiding farms. Though i agree the farms should probably not be as big and make better use of the space and soil.

[@chickensalad3535]

Exactly.

[@pagandeva2000]

@@hrpdrp97 again. This is not fair to the elephants. We, humans are really poor stewards to the animal kingdom in general.

[@daultoncapps7553]

My son Calum, 5, wants to know, “how does Danielle know so much about all kinds of animals????”

[@allenhardy3071]

Yes! Missed this format!

[@kizomanizo]

At last something positive from my country (Tanzania), it is encouraging.

[@patrickmccurry1563]

Hats off to whoever had to scour the black and white videos to finds one that could be taken tongue in cheek without too much cringing.

[@NewAge374]

I love several things about this episode from a narrative perspective that deserve credit beyond the cool animal knowledge. Mainly the fact it released on Women's Day but decided to make a showcase not of how non-human female-centred are exactly like male-centred ones, full of violence, oppression and hierarchy, but that there is a wide range of behaviours. Humans have been inspired by all kinds of animals, not just are closest cousins, to justify certain behaviours: this speciesist language can be easily seen in the ways men defend the patriarchy against feminist influences. This video also makes very clever use of stock footage from decades ago to make a point about the awfully sexist ways of society to the extreme, but ask yourself: how much of these things are still being said even if they have to be hidden behind sophisticated-sounding language? Besides, how often have we heard the story of lion prides centred around male ego, macho attitudes, just assuming that the lionesses would just let their cubs be killed by a new dominant male? This kind of story-telling is so important because it uses animals as symbols of what our human society is capable of: yes, mothers will cooperate and not let their children get hurt, not by upstart males of their own species or others.

[@ay-dionne]

11:46 Long live Queen Flower, praise Saint Shakespeare Meerkat Manor had more drama than any KUWTK or Real Housewives episode, change my mind

[@TheAwesomes2104]

I was going to comment about Queen Flower too. I still remember the moment I learned she died. I cried for days, my parents were so confused.

[@FireChicken747]

Whether its a male or female. The oreo dolphin are still the jerks of the sea 😂

[@SarahBookdragon]

Can you make more videos about bonobos? I want to know more about them but i can bearly find any information about them😔

[@halgaci]

3:32 Lion: May I have your child? Mother Elephant: No!!! Lion: Come on, you have the device and you can make more of them.

[@hectorgarcia1326]

It’s the theme music to the 2004 flash game “roll on” at :53 !! Hearing it in the intro immediately took me back to elementary computer lab omg

[@letolethe3344]

If the problem is elephants are losing out on habitat because of human expansion, I don't see how the beehives thing, which just keeps them off human-dominated land, is a "solution", though it might be one part of one.

[@J.A.Smith2397]

Her drawings are so great

[@diontaedaughtry974]

Very insightful, Great video 👍👍

[@kimbratton9620]

Thanks for another awesome video like always!!!

[@jerrycurljerry1224]

Is anyone thinking that this video was absolutely unhinged?! We just watched a video that has nothing to do with bonobos... instead, we watched 1930's clips and animals being queens and then 30 seconds of bonobos... WE WANT BONOBOS

[@chickensalad3535]

They have a bonobos video.

[@marybutler9250]

Interesting coincidence that many of these matriarchal species are widely accepted as highly intelligent animals 👀

[@chickensalad3535]

Bingo.

[@Iroxinping]

ants aren't all ruled by a single queen. there are many that have multiple queens per nest...

[@tnoi]

I know it's yesterday but Happy International Women's Day

[@emilybrackett2840]

Thank you! Likewise. If you're a female?

[@reeseseater12]

That bee fence is super cool, it’s a humane way to protect everyone.

[@Nukaria]

BONOBOS LOVE NOT WAR

[@HOKKIS99]

Yes and chimpanzees wages war between tribes/groups and: We humans are the middleground of both of them: we have huge capacity for love and compassion and equally huge capacity for warfare and brutality if the needs demands for it. As a woman in Sudan said: "if my children screams because of hunger and you found food but only enough for your children, you children will mourn you and mine will survive."

[@BaboonHead]

I’m liking the uploading schedule

[@ericarichardson2983]

Don’t feral cat colonies tend to also be largely female similar to lions?

[@GillianMStarlight]

I recognize the short film at 9:06, titled One Got Fat. Is there a Rifftrax fan among the Animalogic crew?

[@meg2831]

Bees are amazing 🐝 🐝 🐝 🐘

[@dustind4694]

Someone finally said it. Popcorn time.

[@Charlotte-wv1dl]

Wtf did I just witness in the first 15 seconds of this video.

[@DeltaRaptoran]

Nature and a bit of historical footage

[@andressalazarwildlife]

have you heard of mule deer? Can you please make an episode about them?

[@iz6566]

Sorry, but in social ruminant ungulates dominant males are dominant in mating, while the herd is actually being led by a matriarch, an elder experienced female who knows places and dangers and it is she who signals that the herd may stop and graze. Why? Because last year's dominant male may become sub-dominant in a couple of seasons, while the herd need a steady leadership that does not depend on mating fights. This is more than beneficial.

[@MegaJackpinesavage]

Thumbnail photo --- Bobbie Bonobo, Playmate of the Year.

[@micameows]

QUEEN JULIEN !!!

[@tamarrajames3590]

We humans can learn so much from Nature, and Her Animals.🖤🇨🇦

[@gamegod6859]

no one gonna talk about the bucket of naked mole rats?

[@ay-dionne]

yo i really didnt like how they were piled up like that. Some of them were definitely not moving

[@dimwarlock]

I'm concerned about the most replayed part of the video. Are you okay, people?

[@GingerShellKittens]

Another group of mammals that exibit matriarchy are horses. The common beleif of the stallion being the leader is wrong as it is the lead mare that leads the herd.

[@thechristanator]

What’s the clip from where it’s the little girl is so happy but doesn’t think she’s riding her bike and gets hit by a truck? What’s that’s from??

[@adrianmorrison4678]

Can you please try the great white shark, the orangutan, and the macaws?

[@kathleengray4705]

Lions are not the only cats to live in groups the every day house cat or farm cats also share responsibility for young often sharing nursing them equally

[@stuffynosepatrol]

Unfortunately we haven't studied house cat behaviour enough to understand how they work for sure. Which sucks because they're so interesting

[@eric2500]

INTELLEGENT PRIMATES!

[@ShawnsterVideos]

Excellent work.

[@fleafrier1]

Happy International Women’s Day Animalogic! I see what you did there. Always enjoy second nature videos too. This is the best channel.

[@eringill6697]

excuse me but those first two bonobos took me the fuck out at 0:09

[@tikimillie]

At any given time, strive to be more bonobo and less chimpanzee

[@letolethe3344]

How about doing a series on all kinds of primates the way you did on small cats?

[@sabrinasummers4814]

great vid!

[@altarush]

Elephants are smart. Bees’ stings are painful.

[@thomascircle245]

09:50 Orcas, too. Their pods consist of a matriarch leading mostly males, while young females swim off to form their own pods. Interestingly this implies that orcas and bonobos have some awareness about the dangers of inbreeding, though I'm not sure how.

[@DisProfundis]

They don't have awareness, it's ingrained in their genes, and not just bonobos and orcas.

[@TheBarstein]

i want to hear about fruit bats! they're one of my favorite flying mammals!

[@jamesdietz29]

Tell us more about those bees.

[@tutubism]

Kurt Cobain's spirit animal

[@prettypic444]

Happy "it's in November" day to all my matriarchal sisters!

[@joshuagray3517]

Maybe talk about the spider viper

[@thelonesage3146]

Make love not War fits perfectly for them.😊

[@bretfisher7286]

I just want to compliment our host for her lovely personality and voice. Very pleasant and enjoyable. Be well, Ma'am!

[@blessedbeauty2293]

- 15:21 I am not sure if that is a good or bad thing. How about not messing with the elephants home to begin with? These people should go find *OTHER* land && let them do their thing instead of building farms && than having to have bees scare them away. Just a suggestion 🙄.

[@Kargoneth]

Equality is impossible because everyone is unique.

[@vernalriotautumnbrum2766]

youre one of my favorite pages thank you

[@NitroIndigo]

Today I learned lions can climb trees.

[@coopernoble6139]

Which species gained global domination? That’s what I thought.

[@stuffynosepatrol]

Ants.

[@nikk6435]

yep egalitarianism is the way to go

[@coopernoble6139]

@@stuffynosepatrol pretty sure ants live in complete subjugation to an individual. No thanks.

[@stuffynosepatrol]

@@coopernoble6139 yes, to an individual ant. That's how U-social animals work. It doesn't matter if you personally like how ant colonies work, that doesn't magically make the success of the species suddenly dissappear.

[@clickeric]

How about the arctictis binturong

[@SecretSquirrelProduc]

I thought this was about bonobos

[@DK19998]

You know who this lady sounds like? The singer from “mushroom hunter” africa mexico sicily tijuana

[@Nukaria]

(( just wanna point out if no one has that male lions love to love each other and they mate and groom and snuggle and spend most of their life with each other, if they ever get a chance at running a pride it is a fleating part of that male lions life, and the females only keep him around for cub making, and protecting the then born cubs from rival males))

[@thestone6324]

That feels like interpretation rather that observation

[@kennethc2466]

Just imagine if humans took the Bonobo path, instead of the Chimpanzee sociopathy...

[@Oinker-Sploinker]

nah chimp path advanced us to this level the only problem now is we're adopting the bonobo path nowadays

[@TheRelen222]

If we went the Bonobo path we’d be dead. The world is harsh and you have to be strong to match it. Science would stop advancing, everything would deteriorate. The first society that decided to be warlike would dominate and conquer everyone else.

[@kennethc2466]

@@Oinker-SploinkerYour problem is literacy and grammar, as well as pretending you're part of any advancement of the human race.

[@DisProfundis]

We are closest to Bonobos bub

[@abebuckingham8198]

@@Oinker-Sploinker No, we advanced to this level by rejecting patriarchy. Men are so busy being violent that they don't know how to progress. It wasn't till women gained political power that the world became more peaceful and prosperous. They're simply the better sex.

[@crankpatate3303]

Was checking Wikipedia on the topic of lions in both my native tongue and English and am surprised about the different information found. Some examples: In my native language it is clearly stated, that there's a ranking order in the pack where the males are higher ranked than the females. Nothing like this is mentioned in the English Wikipedia. On the other hand in my native Wikipedia article I can't find any mention how the higher ranking is recognized/ with what benefits a higher rank comes. In my native tongue Wikipedia article it is also mentioned, that the female choses her partner for reproduction. Couldn't find that info on the English article. But the English article puts a lot of effort into sharing information about group sex and homosexual behaviour. I'm too lazy to follow those rabbit holes deeper. I just wanted to share my experience on how different Wikipedia articles can be in different languages.

[@AcidNeku]

What's the music at 1:44 please?

[@mozamr]

So we all just gonna not talk about 0:10?

[@cameronwarttig1732]

Did you say the younger ones have longer lifetime reproductive success? I feel like that doesn't make sense

[@emilycreamer1307]

They were meaning that the matriarch hyena lets her cubs eat a kill before her grown daughters can, putting them higher on the rank than the older daughters. I'm sure the older daughters got the same benefit when they were cubs, so I'm not sure how they are worse off than their younger siblings. Although, this "silver spoon" privilege would leave a litter better off reproductivly than they would have been otherwise. Or better off than a litter born to a hyena other than the matriarch, if they even do that, idk.

[@Kargoneth]

Alright. Not about bonobos.

[@TandCstudios100]

I, for one, welcome our new female overlords.

[@AnasuiJolyne]

Bonobo's are awesome

[@gisleyalves7757]

🇧🇷🇧🇷 How many houses and families you know , are organized without a diligent WOMAN to take of care of them? Just one woman can provide for her and five kids; a man , no rare, connot provide even for himself. 🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@godking]

Bonobos are lucky that they don't have to compete with normal chimpanzees

[@TheKiroshi]

They do though? Both live in mid and central africa, more chimps than bonobo though. But to be fair, pretty sure NO ONE wants to share territory with Chimps.

[@jybrokenhearted]

Bonobos would go extinct

[@godking]

Bonobos and Chimpanzees are divided by the Congo river they don't share living space @@TheKiroshi

[@teedjay91]

​@@jybrokenheartedYou don't know, maybe female bonobos would teach female chimps how to take control of their sexuality and weaponise it against male chimps

[@TheRelen222]

Bonobos can only exist like this because they live in a bubble. They’re separated both from chimps and natural predators. The moment they were exposed to chimp families they’d be dominated or killed. They’re physically weaker than chimps too.

[@cyrilio]

Pretty sure you've already done at least one video about domestic cats, buit aren't they also group animals?

[@silentsigher]

14:15 Or not put farm in the elephants migration path...

[@ChrispyNut]

Is non-violent theft of land really better than alternative? The nicer it is, the easier it is to spin, the less push back there will be to us further expanding ourselves at the expense of almost every other species on the planet. But hey, I'm frequently told by people that I'm overthinking something, so you can too.

[@hrpdrp97]

Tbh humans do allot of abandoning of infrastructure to build new stuff instead of fixing what we do have and making the most of it. Some places are working on massive vertical cities that will house food and people alole and become like a self contained ecosystem of humans and our food to save space for wildlife

[@ChrispyNut]

@@hrpdrp97 I've seen few decent vertical cities. They're usually way too narrow and tall and insufficiently incorporate suitable infrastructure, but yes, there is gradual movement. However, with existing socio-economic and political systems, I wouldn't live there, too easily deleted, with the world happy to manufacture consent.

[@hrpdrp97]

@@ChrispyNut very true honestly. Tbh I didn't think about how easy a mass killing can happen when everyone is in the same building like that.

[@ChrispyNut]

@@hrpdrp97 Yea, I've been thinking about this (as part of a broader attempt at a sustainable way for us to live happily), there's a bunch of "oh, crap" that gets overlooked, but far more "oh, wow". I just don't know if we're worth sustaining 😢

[@kellydalstok8900]

If Homo Sapiens didn’t breed so fast, the species wouldn’t need so much land. Better management of agricultural land would help too.