EP-62| Imran Khan’s arrest, Bilawal’s threat-Sushant Sareen, Tilak Devasher on what next in Pakistan

Hours after the dramatic arrest of former Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, huge protests intensified in several cities in Pakistan with Imran’s supporters thronging the streets of Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Lahore, Karachi, Gujranwala, Faisalabad, Multan, Peshawar, and Mardan. PTI supporters also stormed the Pakistan Army headquarters in Rawalpindi and also burnt down the residence of the corps commander in Lahore. In this edition of Podcast with Smita Prakash, the recent developments and what they mean for India and how they impact geopolitics in the region and globally are discussed in detail with Tilak Devasher, author of four widely acclaimed books on Pakistan and a member of the National Security Advisory Board. The panel was also joined by senior fellow, ORF and an analyst on Pakistani affairs, Sushant Sareen, who also discussed the recent trip of Pakistani FM Bilawal Bhutto to India for attending SCO meeting in Goa and what it means for India-Pak bilateral relations in the near future.
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Time Stamps
00:00 - Introduction
05:29 - Imran Khan's arrest and support among people
12:40 - Imran Khan's popularity among masses
31:07 - ISI, Pak Army, and Imran
43:18 - Bilawal's agenda during India visit
1:03:50 - Pakistan's Collapse: India's Nightmare
1:08:39 - The role of Sharif Brothers and Mariyam Sharif
1:23:45 - Afghanistan trade route & China- Pakistan Ties
1:31:25 - Pakistan crisis & TTP's rampage
1:34:58 - Technocrat Government
1:43:17 - India - Pakistan diplomatic relations & 1990's terrorism
1:50:20 - Pak's Way ahead
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[@Kanthavel.KV.Chennai.Bharat]

This is the most valuable takeaway from this discussion. "If you have the enemy on the mat, slay him" - Shri Sushant Sareen

[@ramakrishnamurthyyeleswara1292]

yeah the sooner our political,ias officers,raw agents understand this the better i don't know how long we have to wait for these guys to understand.

[@chitwankapil6570]

Totally agree!!!This has been our civilizational weakness & mistake which resulted in our invasion. No political party should even think about sparing the enemy.

[@ashokchaudhary3988]

​@@ramakrishnamurthyyeleswara1292 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@ashokchaudhary3988]

​@@ramakrishnamurthyyeleswara1292 😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@ashokchaudhary3988]

​@@ramakrishnamurthyyeleswara1292 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@Rajesh.Rathore]

Kudos to Sushant Sareen who speaks so truthfully and eloquently. I totally agree with him. Since Kargil war, I started reading Dawn almost everyday, the more I read it, the more I find Sushant convincingly...

[@jasha9sandhu]

Probably because he is a realist Punjabi who knows the psychology of other side of border, No one calls out the BS* on Pakistani bluff & bluster and of those ( albeit few ) "useful idiots" in India who fall for porki propaganda.

[@petechau6314]

Now Imran cannot afford to lose - nor Army . People with guns and terrorists and mullah will join and new Afghanistan is born with Imran as caliphate. India must activate border so Baluchistan can be free. 1$=500pkr - not yet is surprising!!!

[@MunawarAzaad2025]

Read columns of Abbas Nasir, Nadeem F Paracha, Muhammad Amir Rana. Very insightful, unbiased and very true to the social affairs of Pakistan

[@sanjeevagunthanthanee603]

@@petechau6314 inshala, laila idar la rasgulla

[@sajidahussain108]

@@petechau6314 that's wishful thinking.

[@MrSaloo12]

i am from pakistan and well ware of our regional politics. These people in Podcast are exactly talking according to the situation and loved the analysis. 100 % true

[@JIN-hp5zx]

Bulshit

[@r000ketman5]

IK Chew & spit out ppl like them for his breakfast That’s Y he’s IMRAN KHAN a Legend & larger then life & thy r nobody & STLL Bald & now thy playing opposite psychology & thy all r Scared of him Kampay Tang Rahi HAIN Tumhari

[@trilokyamohanchakra6351]

Imagine Tilak wants a Smart Enemy, look at his self-confidence and hes now bored with loose canons, imagine the years he put into work

[@pankajbirajdar5149]

Podcast should be like this...not the formal way of conversation. This podcast gave a feeling like we speak with our buddies..😊

[@tanishbhati8532]

The day all Indians forget about their soft corner or so called hunky dory love for Pakistanis and accept the reality, that day we will be more clear about India and its growth.

[@karthikcind1981]

Only North Indians speak like that..South Indians don't care

[@Ghytvhu]

@@karthikcind1981 lol only muslim from north and south

[@Striker-jg9kv]

@@karthikcind1981 correction: only rape jihad and rape crusade born liberal leftist ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool Islamists from India talk like that BCz i know many 💩 looking mallu namazis who like doing pichwada baazi with ganduudin namazi pakis BCz that's what there anguthachaap Nabi Muhammad told them to do in randikhana masjid and madrassa guide quraand

[@gangatharanchinnan7257]

​@@karthikcind1981why are you commenting on north Indians and south Indians when the topic they are discussing has nothing to do with north Indians or south Indians.

[@agnimitram340]

@@gangatharanchinnan7257 because it's the North Indians who sings songs about Pakistan. How they are the same people and all these craps Why do south and East Indians care about Pakistan. We are more similar to the SEA nations then these filthy Punjabis.

[@gautamsawhny6246]

We shouldn’t disturb our Enemy that is busy Destroying themselves

[@anianu-nm9ql]

Yes...let's keep watching the party there...

[@pwnweb5734]

we should fund it :P

[@aryavart296]

​@pk dlwhy would I want potential terrorists in my country by integrating pok?

[@denshi_lives29]

We shouldn't sleep as US is puppeteer here /.

[@akhandbharat1593]

Internal enemies are more dangerous

[@Viru-007]

Thought clarity like Sushant Sir is an absolute need of an hour & should always be against the enemy of our country.

[@srinivasanranganathan7159]

What a great discussion! It has been so mature, so informative and so balanced. Cant help appreciating Smita for the great wisdom and engagement on the crux of the matter. Hats off to all three and please bring us more of such lovely discussions.

[@leonardopietersen460]

"Never ever show mercy on your enemies". These is what my ancestors have taught me.

[@lookintoit4537]

It is god's task to show mercy to my enemies. It is my task to send them to him. Slightly different version. Can't remember where I read it but sounds badass.

[@jigsaw2281]

​@@Canyouseemeannayes shi kaha I agree completely

[@alimustafa2411]

Where r they now.

[@sumanthganapathibasavapatn141]

This spirit of martial pragmatism is inbuilt to our culture. The Veda itself says: “तेभ्यो [रुद्रेभ्यो] नमस्ते नो मृडयन्तु ते यं द्विष्मो यश्च नो द्वेष्टि तं वो जम्भे दधामि ॥” “Salutations to the Rudras, may they bring auspice unto us. O Rudras, he who is my enemy, and he whose enemy I am, I deliver him to your jaws; let him be destroyed.” “यो मां भागिनं सन्तमथाभागं चिकीर्षति, अभागमग्ने तं कुरु मामग्ने भागिनं कुरु ॥” “O Agni! Whosoever hates my growth and wishes to rob me of my gain, strip him of his own gains and give them to me.”

[@alurnataraj2919]

@@sumanthganapathibasavapatn141 If this is what I inherited from my elders, I will abide. Very well explained

[@163sks]

Sushant is 100% right, Hindus can’t handle hard truths. Hindu-Muslim love and all that BS. It’s this inability to accept reality that caused Hindus to suffer thousand years of slavery. This is the big difference between Hindus and Europeans. Two references would suffice: Stern Reckoning by GD Khosla, and the book on ethnic cleansing of Punjab by Ishtiaq Ahmed.

[@rahulvats95]

It stems from political inability of Hindus. Gandhi-Nehru decided to spread their message and push their narrative by serving discounts to other community and Hindutva and revolutionaries said they would build the political Hinduism and face the truth. Both strategies were meant to shield and protect Hindus.

[@gmbadal3393]

For India it is better to remain slave. When British has handed over India to Hindu leaders which she had taken from Muslims rulers after so many battle, this India has become a coconut in the hands of monkeys only targeting minorities since 1947. So Hindu does not deserve freedom

[@holywarrior5719]

Yes this mental sickness is prevalent more in Punjabis . They have fancy ideas of friendship with punjabi Muslims. It’s horrible mentality.

[@jigsaw2281]

Not all hindus , Hindus like me idealise Hitler😊

[@gmbadal3393]

@@jigsaw2281 You idealize Hitler who was butcher of the very Israelis whose boots are licked by your India. It proves you people are not trustworthy. You people are hypocrites and characterless. When you idealize Hitler you should also keep in the ruin of fascists with humiliation.

[@InspiringQuotes1.0]

This talk show is the first ever from India on Pakistan I loved to listen. The guests talked truth and only truth. Salute to both the honest gentlemen for their honesty and the host as well. Am from Pakistan.

[@vaidityachoudhary134]

I remember when my father told me that we had to give our nations gold as a collateral, I was 12 year old and I felt as if my personal pride was kept as a collateral even though I was not even born. So yes, we are too proud to go and ask for bail outs. Specially after that GOLD.

[@pulinpandya382]

Comparision of curruption style between Imran and Kejriwal is astounding.

[@becuss5509]

Today watching the videos of riots in Pakistan, my Mum said the same thing that both Imran and Kejriwal had this "holier than thou" image before coming to power. Once they got the power, they became corrupt and now if any agency tries to make them accountable, their cadre and their blind fans act in the most unacceptable way possible.

[@proudindian1033]

​@@becuss5509 are u pakistani?

[@andreabassi1861]

Quote of the podcast " Earlier we wanted to isolate them now we want to ignore them "..Mr. Tilak Devasher 😃

[@mayankindian3750]

Hm true brother 😊❤

[@buntipapu3816]

A peaceful man will ignore them, but a wise man will isolate them and will always keep an eye on them.

[@trollface7998]

@@buntipapu3816 💯

[@paklad100]

so stop discussing pakistan ,pleas ignore

[@sanjeevagunthanthanee603]

@@paklad100 not discussing now; simply joking

[@TapanSarkar100]

I have rarely seen such high'standard discussion in any TV channels.Both the guest have analysed the relationship Pakistan very well.

[@mohammadiqbalminhas6351]

Ik not invented social media. Its people who love him, they created social Media

[@akashdeep0067]

Respect for mam, she does this podcasts as a learner. However,she also defends her point showing patience with irony ( showing her own cognitive ability and depth about issues) ... God bless you man ( Respect and love from Punjab )

[@tejwanichander]

Sushant says it all ! Excellent podcast by two experts

[@DonnieB0407]

Nice to hear from a seasoned analyst like Mr. Devasher. Keep bringing the voices of such intellectual giants to us. 🎉

[@skeptic4031]

Probably the BEST podcast from ANI of all time !!! It was so engrossing, did not want it to end. Well done Smita and the 2 great guests as well !! 👏👏👏

[@abhinavshukla2202]

It was actually great, I agree, but bulbul Brar and Sai Deepak episodes are great too

[@DharaneeshKH]

Totally Agree

[@hussy1312]

well its full of horse shit. More of a fiction than reality.

[@PERCY-26]

Absolutely love Sushant Sareen's "no nonsense" analysis. He is the most straightforward analyst in India who always speaks the truth.

[@sabrinakhan8217]

Is there any analysis on Manipur? 400 dead and injured

[@nishkm]

Yup..Hundred times betrer than ..That chapar ganju Abhijeet 😂

[@theybecameus]

smita being a typical aunty who has hit the wall and thinking emotionally about imran khans personality. women ☕

[@avinashnaik6148]

Most senior people in India in their 60s and 70s have witnessed Indo-Pak relations closely in the past and are also fortunate enough to observe the remarkable transformation in the present Government approach which has led to positive outcomes. The offense is the best defense. We are not expansionists but we must adopt a tough and strategic approach while dealing with our hostile neighbors.

[@shivanshrai5264]

@@sabrinakhan8217 well in this podcast mr. Sarin said that the turks believe that 🇮🇳 can be their friend but pakis are their brothers........I think that's exactly how "peaceful community" in our country thinks and you are just another example 😉 the topic of this podcast is 🇵🇰 but you want to discuss about manipur that just shows that on some psychological level you don't feel good about the condition in 🇵🇰 because you think of them as your brothers..............

[@mohammedsaleem3507]

A excellent SERMON at a critical time.

[@MuhammadAli-dc5kg]

I am from Pakistan. Thankyou for Discus Imran Khan.

[@TheAzeemGuy]

I must say that both the guests are extremely knowledgable and their analysis is in-depth and near accurate.

[@hussy1312]

well its full of horse shit. More of a fiction than reality.

[@theworld2115]

Being from Pakistan, the podcast is a wonderful piece of intellect. I really believe in the words you have spoken, the way Imran has just enraged our youth, it has become so stupid to even talk to my fellows. Although I'm 22 years old, but can relatively understand all of this.

[@osman01003]

Nope. They misunderstand a lot of factors.

[@desitroll8094]

​@@osman01003 what is that?

[@blackmamba9950]

@@osman01003 pls explain?

[@bonran]

Kya bol raha hai yaar??? Teri syntax samajh nahi aa rahi??

[@R4GS63AMG]

⁠@@osman01003 but the core psychology of an in denial Pakistani runs they way you’ve just commented, so I am not particularly surprised what your trying to say 😂😂😂😂

[@drkrittibasray3182]

Smita my Smita. Salute at your feet for this incredibly illuminating podcast. The gentlemen were great too with their knowledge and perspective. You are the best interviewer in the English speaking world. Barbara Walters is history.

[@sjiz]

Tilak Devasher is a thorough intellectual... very good Podcast. This podcast series is turning out to be amazing!

[@peterbale1800]

As Indians, we have lost our land to many brutal outsiders be it Mughals or Westerners. I think it's safe to say that our gut instincts and judgment are not always/most of the times accurate. It's time to take a page out of the winner's playbook i,e Westerner's way of winning, and apply it on Indian national challenges. "If you have the enemy on the mat, slay him" is one of those points from the winner's playbook that we should implement in this century.

[@proudindian1033]

We should focus on breaking Pakistan brick by brick - economically and geographically. That's the only solution

[@diadon5674]

I agree. We dont have cutthroat approach while dealing with such enemies who will not think twice doing it themselves. I think we need to come out of prithviraj Chauhan syndrome and crush enemies ,no mercy. Showing mercy to terrorists is cruelty towards civilians

[@zetaleadership3939]

...adding to Sushant ji; even in Kashmir valley, the pandits were butchered, looted... and made to flee not by who have landed from above. The most of the muslims living in the neighborhood are witness to what was happening while some of them are actively party to all that happened.

[@piyushjaiswal9283]

Still these pandits drool over them.

[@NumberWorld]

True for W. Bengal, true for Kerela as well, Problem is in the MINDSET created by AASMANI KITAB/Mullah

[@proudindian1033]

​@@NumberWorld while these states are in clutches of sky book, south indian states are in clutches of cross book

[@diadon5674]

I think it's a Muslim thing not a pakistan thing. But we indians are shamed to think like that. It's easy to blame pakistan and not Islamic teachings and their nature to violence and genocide towards others.

[@GayathriK-re7wt]

​@@proudindian1033Both 😢

[@ravivaid1260]

Sushant sir style....."seedhi baat no bakwaas".....lots of love and respect for u sir..

[@MrBrown-it5sv]

Amazing, much luv and respect from Canada 🇨🇦

[@harshsatya1982]

One of the most sound discussion about Pakistan on Indian Media. I wish more such public discussions happen and we get over our dreams about Pakistan. Credit should be given to political leadership for enabling this clarity in public space.

[@chirag8691]

This is turning out to be the best podcast of India. Specially on Geopolitics. Keep it up Smita Ji! 😊

[@retrocubes4377]

Dont know who these clowns are... heard them and they sound so freaking childish

[@DevashishGulati]

Nope, she is not graceful in changing the topic, is insecure about her beliefs and tries to reinforce them to the guest instead of the other way around. I am not saying she is not knowledgeable, but she certainly is not a good listener. I mean, she responds to her own questions after the guest answers them. She is also rarely effective with mediation while people crosstack, and rather becomes a voice talking over them in the situation. This can be a much better podcast with a better anchor suited for podcasts. She is a damn good journalist, but not a very good podcaster.

[@Daddy-R]

😂😂

[@hussy1312]

well its full of horse shit. More of a fiction than reality.

[@TechnoGin]

@@DevashishGulati true

[@indrajeetkamat6138]

Sushant was just superb. When the enemy is on the mat, slay him. No mercy.

[@Buggsbunnyism]

Brilliant Analysis! Next=Level! @TilakDevasher Sir @SushantSareen Sir, thanks @SmitaPrakash @ANI News

[@A.J.54]

Mr Sarin is so right...why on earth we seperated in 1947 ?

[@susantadeb7666]

Because British wanted to stop Soviet’s encroachment to Indian Ocean. Bangladesh was not envisaged in the plan. After the failed court martial of INA commanders and subsequent Naval revolts British realises they can’t rule India with Indian soldiers. They started evacuating British families and soldiers from India. They brought Independence one year earlier from 1948 to 1947. Frontier province had a plebiscite for India or Pakistan but Pakhtunistan was denied by state Governor Olaf Caroe. In I946 British had a tacit support to Surhawardy’s call for Direct Action for Calcutta by withdrawing law enforcement. This had disastrous effect for the subcontinent. It was responded by Calcutta killing and riots in Noakhali, Bihar, Meerat and Punjab. At last Gandhi signed for partition and broke his promises to Maulana Azad and Ghaffar Khan.

[@anuragmishra6691]

​@@susantadeb7666 read more.

[@sewaligoswami781]

​@@susantadeb7666 I'm from Assam. And here more than 90% voted for a separate nation. And unfortunately most of them didn't even leave after voting for a separate land. I'm learning my history. You should too.

[@harshp69]

Because Muslim League ( supported covertly by British) made a demand for a separate Muslim country and 90% of Muslims voted in support in 1946. Agony is that large numbers of them didn’t even go to Pak and stayed on here. Of course we had the mahaan “Bapu and his chela Nehru “ supporting them.

[@Aashu299]

@@susantadeb7666 o bhai, he asked a simple question. No need of history lecture. We got separated coz they are maniacs and not worthy to live in civilised society.

[@saswatideb8828]

Absolutely crackling, in depth and insightful discussion on Pakistan between two stalwarts of subject Pakistan. Very engrossing and learning experience this episode has been. Thank you very much Smitaji for this gem of a podcast. Must say Mr. Sareen simply ROCKED. Each and every Indian must see this podcast to educate themselves about our hostile neighbor. We, Indians must never forget the fateful day of 26/11. This wound is far deeper and it refuses to heal. May God bless all you with great health and more and more power to do the fantastic job you all are doing to serve India. 🙏🙏🙏Jai Hind, Jai Maa Bharthi. 🙏🇮🇳

[@FullHD-ng2mg]

Very accurate description

[@abhinavshukla2202]

Educate yourself, not just about the neighbour along the borders, but also in your localities. Same enemy resides in our residential localities, apartments, societies. If you know what I mean.

[@BohoDevi]

what a fantastic podcast, dil khush kar dita❤

[@haveacigar100]

Insulting Pakistan feels good, right! Pathethic loag

[@manupratap0802]

Love the clearity of speakers ...

[@nishantdas4023]

Sushant Sareen has the right perspective. No mercy and total and open enmity is the reality that Indians need to understand.

[@rkchandru7]

I have always liked shushant's take on Pakistan and today's take of him is no different. On point as always 😂

[@RS-df2gr]

Brilliantly organised intellectual discourse and my appreciation to all the three participants who contributed proactively!!

[@AliRaza-jv2gg]

Smith jee. Your audience is educated.... please request your guests at the show to make educated statements. Statements that they can backup. One thing I will agree with them is that YES MRAN KAHN is Good for India and Pakistan. Because he is trying to bring people together. 😊 Oh one more thing ....... None of the countries are against Imran Khan. Please have your guests do better research. 🙏 One again I will say it again .... I love your shows and respect you as a great .... well educated... ..... and well-informed journalist ❤❤ please don't fall into the hands of politics. JAI HIND. ..... 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 AND PAKISTAN ZINDABAD 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰

[@nagarajuaddagulla]

I feel sometimes Smita behaves childish in these Geo Political issues. Why love for Pakistan and why dialogue when the entire population has Hindu's blood and their hatred. I agree with Sushant that we have to be prepared and be ready for any eventuality

[@mpvmenon]

She really asks some stupid questions...almost as if she were a 5-year old.

[@anshuraj5734]

Probably because she wants to show an indirect message to the liberandus who've a wet dream of India helping Pakistan.

[@arweyn1]

I am totally floored by the quality of this discussion. So much to learn and also so many contrarian views without malice or venom. I am so proud to see the panel bring out the real issues and focus on what is best for Bharat. It is also a time to recount the events as they have happened since 1960s to put in context the Prime Ministers of Pakistan and the Pakistan Army. I could listen to this for hours hours and still sit glued to the channel. SmitaAkka and the panel.. dhanyavaadah, pranaams and namaste to you all !!!

[@RojaJaneman]

This should b d norm. Isn’t it devastatingly sad that we don’t get that? Like starving children. Democracy requires well informed/educated citizens

[@El-Dorado930]

The analysis is kind of shallow to be honest. Drawing geopolitical implications from anecdotes. But by Indian standards, this is as good as it gets

[@FaisalReacts]

Tilak ji i can feel you, Pakistani don't take their responsibility to reform their system some time depending on American, sometimes China, or Saudi Arabia.. and as a Pakistani I'm really ashamed of this kind of mentality

[@Ghytvhu]

😂😂 aantakwadi state

[@debanjanbiswas6930]

*'Offended by everything, ashamed at nothing...'* ~ Bhikaristan

[@JohnWick-uj4gh]

Too late.....You have missed the Bus

[@jonaidshahid9207]

Shut up

[@shafiqueminhas]

This is fantastic discussion very informative all three of you poured out your deep thought provoking analysis...

[@sharadagarwal1732]

Superb discussion... Much better then TV panel discussion where there is always some fight going on. 👍

[@saurabhlall2768]

One of the most realistic and relevant podcasts I have ever heard about geo dynamics within indian neighborhood. Brilliant trio . Thanks Smita ji

[@sanjeevagunthanthanee603]

but pak is now a geo static state

[@raz_r]

Smita does a good job representing the naive and foolish peace maker camp and Sushant Sareen gives the best replies to this kind of wishful thinking. Kudos to Sushant!

[@rajmanisrivastava8469]

Thanks

[@saumitraroy8802]

This lady loves to talk , i wanted to hear Sushant sir most 😢

[@serialcoder2102]

Sushant sir has his priorities sorted. A massive life lesson that Indians need to learn. He is no BS.

[@abhi171990]

Sushant bhai is literally every Indian can relate too

[@osman01003]

Result of living in fake news world. Half truth and half lies.

[@memelelo3641]

Exactly....he should be in the Nsa advising the govt

[@shivanandkotian-cq1gj]

2 hours feel like 20 minutes.. Sushant is brilliant. What a podcast Smita, Sushant and Tilak... superb👍❤.

[@PiyushTariyal]

Truly insightful discussion

[@splinterelements]

I was having a bad day at work, but seeing you three on such an entertaining topic, just made my day. Thank you Smita ji. The THRILLING TRIO!!

[@harbari]

Yes I agree it was great conversation of three well informed minds with different temperaments that made riveting viewing.

[@JerryChatterjee]

Tilak sir has been an wonderful spy. I didn't expect Smita would be this fast in conducting such a panel discussion on Imrand's (RAA agent) arrest. Good interaction though.

[@avinashnaik6148]

He has authored four publications regarding Pakistan. Consider the potential magnitude of the impact that reading all of his books could have, especially when his one-hour interview had such a significant effect. Although he worked as a spy, it is reasonable to acknowledge how he highlighted the Pakistani citizens' susceptibility to fleeing toward the Indian borders for refuge due to the severe inadequacy of assistance in Pakistan.

[@khushbumerchant8550]

Such an interesting episode which I had missed. This gave so much insight on the issues with Pakistan. Honestly, podcast have become my new favourites replacing news channels. News channels are not able to give me such detailed report in one go helping a layman like me to connect multiple dots like a long podcast does. Thanks Smita for your work.

[@user-ze3rh3go2o]

The discussion is very important.Please reduce noise of cross talk .

[@sanmarino647]

Haven’t seen a mind as crystal clear on topic of Pakistan as Sushant Sareen. Deep thinker and very smart Analyst. Respect to the host and Tilak ji too. RAW is an extraordinary organisation & has the best human resources who serve India 🇮🇳. Only a poor, ill managed & broken Pakistan is good for Bharat 🇮🇳 , can’t agree more with Sushant Bhai.

[@rpsharma636]

Broken Pakistan is good for Sind and Blochistan also.

[@Dev_janmabhoomi]

This is absolutely brilliant.. trio of you rocks.. whole discussion is so smooth and no cross talking

[@avinashnaik6148]

Good observation. In a collaborative setting, constructive conversations take place when all members honor each other's perspectives. By paying close attention, you will notice that each participant in the conversation has effectively conveyed their perspective without disrupting the others.

[@lawanyaarvind2810]

Sharp, incisive, extremely informative. SUPERB PODCAST

[@sjssandhu202]

A really very interesting conversation with a high intellectual level.

[@dineshshetty875]

100 % agree with both.... Each passing days my respect for Jinha increases by many folds for creating Pakistan and successfully Seggrigating the Jihadis....

[@dhawan925]

You think jobs done ??

[@ashishkulkarni2350]

He dint take the rogues from india

[@God-Likes-Chowmein]

The problem is they didn't take all of them.

[@proudindian1033]

But the best thing would have happened which didn't happen - complete exchange of Hindu - muslim as per wishes of Dr Ambedkar

[@diadon5674]

I agree. Jinha did more for us indians esp hindus .nehru and gandhi devastated us.

[@kartikjoshi6260]

We all want another repeat performance from the same guests.....it was so engaging and enriching ..Thanks to Smita Prakash for bringing out such beautiful podcasts..

[@mafzal2005]

no Thanks, dont need another shit show.

[@tawnyhum]

Yes, this time Do it on Indian Muslims living in India, Kashmir and other minorities. How they are treated in India and what your Hindu gov't Modi is doing about it.

[@73HE]

Absolutely brilliant

[@rmnair90]

Spellbinding conversation. Sat thru the complete show. Both Sushant and Tilak were superb. Sushant a shade more😊

[@ishankagarwal4334]

This is the best discussion on your podcast. I am not saying this because it is against 🇵🇰. This discussion have a lot of takeaways for 🇮🇳 as well. Really nice…informative, full of facts, and no drama

[@eyeinfinite27]

So refreshing to see a Punjabi who is not crying nostalgic tears for his lost brothers in Lahore (or a Bengali who is not seculaar). Thumbs up for the guests, especially Mr Sareen. I am sorry Smita Prakash comes across as extremely out of depth, even ordinary, in this interview.

[@avinashnaik6148]

Mr.Tilak was our spy, man. Not only did he showcase his bravery by working in that role, but he also penned four books that provide an in-depth understanding of Pakistan.

[@debanjanbiswas6930]

Yeah really good...Btw I'm a Bengali...Correction : An individual can't be secular...Secularism is a state principal...

[@abhinavshukla2202]

@@debanjanbiswas6930 Exactly, thank gods somebody said it out loud. Secularism is a state characteristic, individuals at best can be tolerant of each other. I heard this from Sri Vikram Sood sir. Secularism is one of the most abused word of Indian political discourse.

[@debanjanbiswas6930]

@@abhinavshukla2202 Couldn't agree more

[@Aashu299]

So true! Punjabis love for Pakistan is simply stupid beyond words.

[@mamtasharma-ow2in]

Very informative conversation.

[@satishchadha3505]

I happen to see this podcast now and heard the discussion on Pakistan & China. It was a very educative and interesting talk. Ms Smita you conducted it very intelligently. Thanks.

[@ParveenKumar-ek7uf]

Bilwal says" His mother victim of terrorism, he means Musharaf was a terrorist. Nice podcast always. Ms Samita rocking.🙏👏🎉👍

[@muzzaiyan]

This discussion is pure "Gold"

[@Inner.divinity]

It sounds like " humiliate Pakistan diplomatically" podcast 😂..

[@forbiddenlovealive]

Basically a Kejriwal of Pakistan, more stronger that's all.

[@anikalaghari1919]

Thank you for acknowledging overseas Indian. We do very much enjoy your podcast. Thank you all.

[@adithyachintalapati6851]

The similarities between Imran Khan and Kejriwal are striking to say the least !

[@Blacklisted747.]

This is Gem Much much better than any Bollywood movies or webseries. Indian youth should start watching these type of contents.

[@sumananutalapati]

I am an NRI that doesn’t understand the abbreviations and colloquialisms. So totally appreciate your decodes. I keep meaning to comment on this and forget. But keep breaking down the codes please.

[@vinodvermajmuverma1803]

Your discussion/ debates are as good as any IIT or any best institution of the world .👍Well prepared & well researched. Highest Standard.Accept my gratitude

[@Ayatollah.Of.Israel]

ANI and Smita, this was a fantastic podcast and as much as I loved hearing from legends like Sushant Sareen and Tilak Devasher, you guys should have had Major Gaurav Arya on as as well. He’s a literal encyclopedia when it comes to our “esteemed” neighbours. Phenomenal podcast anyway!!

[@PuppyAkitaBaby]

Agreed 👍

[@GauravPandey2626]

Thanks but Gaurav Arya has been here once.

[@harveyspecter111]

True but Major Gaurav Arya views pakistan with an extremist lense though. Tilak sir is extremely grounded and looks at things with a pragmatic cool headed way. And Sushant sir may come off as strict but he's sarcastic and extremely analytical. Major is slightly hot headed.

[@Ayatollah.Of.Israel]

@@GauravPandey2626 Well, so has Tilak Devasher.

[@Ayatollah.Of.Israel]

@harveyspecter111 Hahaha, yes, you're right. Major is slightly hot-headed, but if you watch some of his podcasts or interviews, you'd realise his views are extremely balanced, and he's a thorough gentleman. His knowledge would definitely contribute to this podcast. Don't get me wrong, Tilak devasher and Sushant sareen are extremely knowledgeable and informed in such topics, but a little extra input and knowledge never hurt anyone.

[@AmanSharma-fb1sq]

Undoubtedly one of the remarkable episode of the channel and also about the real character of Islamic (Intruders) Republic (Ridicule) of Pakistan (Potter's field) and Residents (Radicalized). Absolutely agree with Shri Sushant Sureen on the intent, approach we should have towards them. Never leave a chance to slay your enemy lest to repent it in future. Americans understood it earlier when they said: " You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect them only to bite your neighbors. You know, eventually those snakes are going to turn on whoever has them in the backyard". It's time for Indians to start believing it. History has numerous evidences when Hindu rulers let go Muslim rulers after being victorious, sometimes more than once, which led to another invasion, winning battle and brutally beheaded the same Hindu King. Nobody can ever change the real character of Pakistan and its people.

[@user-kr8mf4os1w]

I agree with sushant sir,as my colleague also from j&k have seen both his paternal and maternal grandparents were killed in front of him same day...in 1990's ..and that shock is still.lingering in his memories...and even to this day he is nervous and mild by nature......it is a true incident....😮

[@TheIndianPrince_]

the depth of knowledge that i got about Pakistan after listening to this podcast is amazing.

[@umeshjeswani7547]

Just loved the conversation... Lot to learn

[@premakumar6452]

You guys made my evening what a wonderful conversation i am very proud of you guys

[@anilsinha6282]

This was a brilliant show. I simply love the kind of informal talk you conduct. It was like three intellectuals talking to each other, which gave the viewers full satisfaction. Thanks, Ms. Smita Prakash, for conducting your podcast shows.

[@dhruvbansal8440]

its amazing to watch news and hear discussion when the host is educated on the subject

[@iduggal6831]

Classy discussion. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

[@Rahul8624]

There is so much about Pakistan and then there is this discussion, i am surprised by the knowledge of this panel even of the host. This kind of content is going to bring the viewers to the next level of intellect. Even Pakistanis should watch this

[@blindtorpedo]

Smita Prakash , please let the guests talk, this is supposed to be a podcast and not a private tea side chat.

[@rushikeshbardapurkar201]

Smita was more concerned about Pakistan than India

[@souvikghosh9880]

Awesome !! The start was bang on and hilarious 😂

[@leonardopietersen460]

Sushant Sareen should take care of his health. He is an absolute gem for us.

[@gopalkrishnakrishna7363]

As a pakisthan Punjabi looted KPK ,SINDH,BOLICHISTHSN TIME COME TO END PANJABIS LOOTING PANJBIS END OF BEKARISTHAN

[@aneelRmd]

Also , Kashmir & Gilgit Baltistan should be added in the list

[@karamjsrihal4631]

India should have done that 50 years ago...unfortunately the country was run by idiots at that time, who had no long term plans or visions. We are paying the price of those mistakes till today

[@osman01003]

Not Pakistani. Fake comment.

[@bhsarkar]

India and Pakistan are same people is a mindset of North India. People from North East, East and South India does not have any similarity with Pakistan and never says that we are same people.

[@aviramvijh]

As always, a great discussion with par excellence guests.

[@AnkitB97]

One of the best podcasts in the entire world Especially based on the quality of conversations Amazing job smita mam

[@bhupeshnagpal3781]

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake - Nepolian bonapart !!

[@avinashnaik6148]

Wow! Can a catalyst be employed to intensify the situation?

[@prinka_rani]

​@@avinashnaik6148 that catalyst is Imran khan itself 😜

[@osman01003]

Never underestimate an enemy - Common Sense (lacking in Modi desh).