Another Denomination Might Break Up

[@toranshaw4029]

Is there any update on this?

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Yes, thanks for asking: kzbin.infoUgkx-iVIDFjuEtTgGOrEANTcgteaOlabB85C

[@toranshaw4029]

@@ReadyToHarvest ta. 🙂

[@dest1239]

"This isn't about belief, you can believe what you want". This statement is a cause for pause and deep thought.

[@ninjason57]

Don't think too deep. It's quite simple.

[@adamray9857]

I thought about it and have been attending a Unity Spiritual Center because that is in their statement of faith "believe what you want", been looking for a different church and it won't be Presbyterian if they believe that too.

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

@@ninjason57 "Don't think too deep" -A great tagline for progressive churches.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

It's like they want reality to bend to their will. Is that how it ought to work, though? I guess if you have enough money and detachment from reality, no question of "why not?" is inconceivable.

[@peterpapoutsis496]

I now understand how radical the Gospel of Christ is. Either you believe it all, or you reject it all. The PUSA rejected it all and is for some ungodly reason happy about it.

[@inwalters]

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3 (NIV).

[@skibidibap4411]

You know there are sound biblical arguments over the topic of gay marriage, abortion, and any other hotly contested topic. I'm not saying that this doctrinal change wasn't spurred by modern opinions but at least hear the biblical arguments out.

[@asadburden1621]

​@skibidibap4411 Biblical arguments in support of those topics? Sounds heretical.

[@asadburden1621]

​@@skibidibap4411 Biblical arguments in favor of those topics? Sounds un-Christian

[@skibidibap4411]

@@asadburden1621 your an idiot if you think a biblical arguments for anything is by its own virtue un-christian. It's a Christians virtue to read the Bible and come to a conclusion based on the facts, it's literally some peoples job. Just because someone reads the Bible and comes to a conclusion that goes against what YOU believe doesn't mean they're not a Christian.

[@dancooper6002]

@@skibidibap4411 False, you are spreading lies and misinformation. There is not a single verse in the entire scripture that allows either gay marriage or abortion and anyone who claims otherwise should not poses the franchise.

[@Outrider74]

Modernist theology has the same modus operandi every time: it begs for a seat at the table, then it argues to be at the head of the table, then it demands that everybody else leaves the table.

[@southbug27]

It’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder meets religion.

[@coffeehousedialogue]

And, the people that leave wise up and don't allow it inside, until younger generations refuse to listen. Rinse and repeat.

[@20quid]

The fact that they didn't have a seat at the table to start just shows that the other side has been playing that exact same game for far longer.

[@charlesramirez587]

​@@20quidI mean being modernist suggest it didn't exist before. The point of modern theology is novelty be it materialistic or fad theology. The fact they pushed out and infiltrated these denominations suggests the opposite of what you claim. If an institution isn't exclusive in it's morality it functionally has no morality let alone theology.

[@nope24601]

That's the Neo-Marxist way.

[@TheOjamaYellow]

Turns out Unitarian Universalists were just ahead of the curve.

[@MrEKOPriest]

Haha yeah, all Protestants will become Unitarian Universalists. It’s only a matter of time:

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

The inherent worth and dignity of all persons. That's the uu.

[@SimplyReformed]

True, they were the first to reject Christ. Even beat the Congregationalists to that "standard."

[@justinkase1360]

@@wendyleeconnelly2939 What are you worthy of and what dignity do you have according to scripture? Not that you let scripture dictate what you believe, because you would not be "uu" if you did.

[@mikeymullins5305]

In so many ways

[@jimyoung9262]

"...when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?” Luke 18.8

[@ninjason57]

He will. These situations just clarify who are the sheep and goats, the wheat from the tares.

[@cjextreme]

Actually, it's opposite of that! Faith is the belief in things not seen! We need faith to be able to accept God and to follow his commandments that we may be humble and teachable that our faith will grow because of the blessings that are showered down on us. When we look on the face of God, either when he comes or he shows himself to us in mortality, then we will no longer need faith because we will know for a fact!😊

[@jumperstartful]

nope we told God in the 60's that we didn't need him! We are paying the price now.

[@rwlwrestlingleague2975]

Gonna be a WHOLE lotta HOT people that day

[@felicciasc]

No. Because he's not coming back

[@JohnnyBoy1982]

Mainline churches are basically "why bother?" churches. When your church has no distinct theology, is blatently unbiblical in its teaching and is more focused on promoting the latest social justice cause being pushed by the corporate media instead of traditional Christian values, people say, why bother going to church when none of it matters anyway?

[@littlesquirtthefireengine5478]

And they're reaping the rewards.

[@eesev2017]

This is a very silly comment

[@NuncNuncNuncNunc]

Bet you'd like to go back to the good old days where the women and Blacks knew their place.

[@2brk2hvhndl]

@@eesev2017 truth hurts, right jew?

[@bernie4268]

I ask myself why did Jesus go to all the trouble of dying on the cross and rising again if it was just to tell us “if it feels good do it”. Mmmm.

[@ninjason57]

This is what happens when the church's "conscience" is aligned to the world rather than to God.

[@linhunnicutt6556]

Amen.

[@phylocybe_]

This is what happens when you break away from Christ’s Catholic Church

[@ninjason57]

@@phylocybe_ as if the Roman Catholic Church hasn't had the same issues. Take the beam out of your eye.....

[@phylocybe_]

@@ninjason57 there is one Catholic Church that Christ started and many Protestant churches that refuse to obey Christ. That’s a fact.

[@ninjason57]

@@phylocybe_ Your facts are filled with lies. A person doesn't have to submit to the Roman tradition to obey Christ. "When an honest man discovers he is mistaken, he will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest".

[@Micah4_12]

10:14 “… that slope is pretty slippery.” That’s a cliff, not a slope.

[@andrewwoode]

Indeed - that is pretty much a Jude and 2 Tim 3:3-5 embodiment there

[@shrimpwithagun5702]

good lmao

[@intergalactichumanempire9759]

Between these guys and the Church of Scotland, I feel really bad for Presbyterians.

[@intergalactichumanempire9759]

(I say this as a Catholic, in case you were wondering)

[@isaiahbraddock]

@@intergalactichumanempire9759 not all bad, we have good faithful denominations. They are smaller, but a small church with true believers is better then a large one with heretics

[@scotthinzman7698]

Don’t. Sorting the wheat from the chaff theologically has been going on for a long time. I’m a PCA member we left the PCUSA in the early ‘70s. Churches are voluntary associations of people who believe the same thing. The Catholic Church has closed many parishes and lost many members. Same thing. And that’s not a criticism, I’m a great admirer but this is and has been going on for a long time in churches everywhere.

[@thomasturton1118]

Speaking as a Presbyterian, don't feel too bad. We have a lot of Conservative evangelical Presbyterian churches in the UK. Including EPCEW and the IPC (the latter of which I can say as a laymember is growing). Yes it is sad to lose some of the old buildings to liberals selling them after dying out as a congregation, but pretty buildings are not the be all and end all.

[@scotthinzman7698]

@@thomasturton1118 My nephew just went through this with the Methodist church he was attending. The powers that be made a huge effort to win the vote and keep the churches in the UMC. So, they did that and the congregants left. Now they have a bunch of empty churches.

[@Spudeaux]

The comments from the PCUSA's affirming committee in response to the conservative group sound an awful like the folks who scoffed at conservatives who suggested that legalizing gay marriage would lead to florists and cake decorators being sued for refusing to work a gay wedding. We know how that turned out.

[@rb98769]

They know exactly what they're doing.

[@andyiswonderful]

Ah yes, the cake wars. It reminded me an awful lot about how segregationists refused to serve black people in public accommodations due to their "sincerely-held religious beliefs". We know how that turned out.

[@CatholicSamurai]

@@andyiswonderfulyou sound dumb 😂

[@kriegjaeger]

@@andyiswonderful If someone comissions art from you of a particular 1930's socialist in heroic fashion would you accept and provide it? The cake bakers offered them other cakes or to do other designs, but did not do a design that was specifically intended to offend them. it would be like going to a jewish Deli and demanding Bacon, then suing them when they refuse.

[@hya2in8]

who predicted that?

[@misterrandom9591]

Redeemed Zoomer bros.. not like this… not like this…

[@scottanno8861]

Meanwhile Mormons are now singing "Come Thou Fount". Things are getting weird bros...

[@christophekeating21]

​@@scottanno8861what's so special about come thou fount?

[@williammarshal2190]

It’s so joever

[@scottanno8861]

​​@@christophekeating21It's a hymn that they used to avoid because it emphasized salvation by Grace alone. Mormons used to prefer the doctrine of "Faith without Works is Dead" more or less. The hymn is not too different from "Amazing Grace" which is still not sung by them...yet 😅

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

What are all the references to zoomer about

[@denniscrumbley8274]

I always enjoy your videos and your presentation. It's straight forward and to the point without condemnation. Simply factual. Thank you.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Thank you, Dennis.

[@johnhartnett3629]

@@ReadyToHarvest well that's Richie Cunningham reading it from the teleprompter just like a parrot 🤣🤣🤣

[@zope6362]

By their fruits you shall know them.

[@keithwilson6060]

Yes, very fruity indeed.

[@helenchala2547]

“It’s not an intellectual problem. People just don’t want to stop sinning.” J. Vernon McGee

[@keithwilson6060]

McGee was a great, plain-spoken minister of God. I sure do miss him.

[@jumperstartful]

Just like the Garden, we want to be GODS!

[@jumperstartful]

Fear of the LORD is the beginning of WISDOM!

[@davidwendell1327]

There are also "intellectual" problems at work.

[@robertbarrett2494]

They love sin , because they think it is a minor evil , & glamorous .

[@jerielcalica9315]

The church has become more and more conformed to the world rather to our Lord Jesus Christ. Judgment is around the corner.

[@RizaLazar]

redeemed zoomer gonna feel the burn

[@HistoryNerd808]

Fully expecting him to make a video about this at some point. He has said in the past that he's a fan of RTH and has recommended this channel to those wanting an unbiased look at denominations.

[@joshuakarr-BibleMan]

I wonder how much of this is a reaction to his Reconquista?

[@SolaFideSolusChristus]

@@joshuakarr-BibleMan none of it. No one knows who he is outside of a small internet niche.

[@HistoryNerd808]

@@joshuakarr-BibleMan I doubt it. He's doing good things but it's also worth pointing out that, while he does have a pretty significant following for a religious KZbinr, he's just one guy on the Internet and his following is also split between both mainline churchgoers, evangelicals, and also probably non-religious but Christian-curious people as well.

[@Matzu-Music]

The catholic church called. they're suing for trademark infringement.

[@nickpass]

Wasn't the idea of Protestantism that the Bible should be the ultimate authority? When did they replace the Bible with Committees for authority?

[@bornincarmel]

It was just a means for Satan to spread lies

[@ikengaspirit3063]

Yeah, given Calvin and Luther, no that wasn't the whole point of Protestantism.

[@Lando_P1]

1946 when the word homosexuality was added to the Bible through mistranslation.

[@Verita1975]

From its beginning Protestantism has claimed “Sola Scriptura”. The problem is no one could agree how to interpret the Bible , Luther disagreed with Zwingli who disagreed with Calvin etc etc .. “Sola Scriptura” is a self defeating argument because no 2 people can agree on what exactly “ the Bible” means. Luther , Calvin etc believed it was Secular Christian Leaders who had to decide what was right … which is why in all Protestant countries the Head of the State and the Head of the Church were the King/Queen … by its nature Protestants will fracture because there is no fixed set of interpretation… if each person “ Believes in the Bible” there will be as many denominations as there are people!

[@CzarLazar1389]

​@@Lando_P1 And how exactly is that a problem? What is the correct translation?

[@scsteeldrums]

Step 1: "We DONT have the right to dismiss homosexuality from the Christian community" Step 2: "We DO have the right to dismiss you from the Christian community for not affirming homosexuality"

[@luissalazar6960]

The Order from God was to reproduce when you get married. Two men or two women can not do it. Additionally is the Tradition of the Church. They never Married two men or two women,... then it can not be done.

[@stephennichols4993]

Lol, as if the West (The child of Satan) has any authority in the Church. We will dismiss the sodomites out of the Faith whether they like it or not!

[@Patrick-sb2sb]

The Bible very explicitly dismissed homosexuality from Christianity. Read: ROMANS, Chapter 1.

[@DaddySizeIt]

@@Patrick-sb2sb I think he knows that

[@stephennichols4993]

⁠@@Patrick-sb2sb “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” - Romans 1:26-27 “For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” - 1 Timothy 1:10 “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” - Jude 7 No the Holy Bible talks about homosexuality, not in a positive light. Nice try and defending homosexuality though.

[@nancy4don]

"Nobody is being forced to..." Yeah they are. ALL people who wish to become Ministers of Word and Sacrament (ordained clergy) in the PC(USA) are examined as to their views and commitment to the Book of Order. Failure to agree to conduct one's ministry by the requirements of the Book of Order means a "NO" vote for approval to be ordained and to accept a call. If that's not forcing someone to comply, I don't know what is. I just retired after 28 years of ministry in the PC(USA); I know what I'm talking about. I invite comments seeking clarification on any of this.

[@mcnielentertainment]

Thank you for posting this. I was just about to enroll in a pre-sem college course that's a bachelor's and then off to seminary for either of the PCUSA & ELCA....I'm more shocked of what you mentioned and how quickly I'm leaving PCUSA

[@nancy4don]

@@mcnielentertainment Here's the thing: The last time the issues came up, the decision was made to send ordination decisions back to the presbyteries who would do the ordaining. That actually fits PC(USA) polity as it has historically been. That's where it stands as of right now. I wouldn't make ANY decisions right now as to leaving a denom or etc. I don't think the Presbyteries are going to want to ratify any arm-twisting measures like this one seems to be. It might not even get approved at General Assembly! In the meantime, you'll still need your Bacherlor's and your Seminary degree. Go ahead! Remember, it's God who called you, not a denomination. You can sort that out later. Grace and peace to you, and prayers!

[@Sebman1113]

@@mcnielentertainmentcome join me in the ELCA, call committees love pastors with orthodox views, they’re in high demand. (I would know for reasons)

[@astr0al3x]

I didn’t leave the church, the church left me.

[@19king14]

Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 1 Cor 6:9,10

[@jec1ny]

"Where orthodoxy becomes optional, it will eventually be proscribed." -Rev. Al Kimmel

[@Mns_87]

Considering how the Bible and Christ accepts and doesn’t explicitly condem slavery, among other moral issues, perhaps this is a good thing?

[@dman7668]

Which Orthdoxy becomes optional? There is a schism in Orthdoxy right now and so how does one know which Orthodox Church is the Church?

[@coffeehousedialogue]

​@@Mns_87You realize its mention of slavery is descriptive as opposed to prescriptive, right? Just because it is not actively fought does not mean it is endorsed.

[@anon2867]

@@dman7668cope

[@microcolonel]

​​@@Mns_87 zero relevance to this, as slavery is not in the Holy Tradition. Defending slavery is not an Orthodox doctrine or practice.

[@debbiemoseley3570]

The scriptures are totally clear on homosexuality. It is not a subject of interpretation.

[@mikeymullins5305]

Yeah. Totally clear that all people are your neighbor, and you should love them as yourself.

[@jmdsservantofgod8405]

Read 2 Samuel 1:26 😮

[@kelaarin]

@@mikeymullins5305 The HIGHEST law is to love and serve GOD; THEN love thy neighbor. We DO love them, that's why we call them to repentance. For without repentance, NONE can be saved in the Kingdom of God.

[@carbonbiker]

@@jmdsservantofgod8405what point are you making?

[@billsattic]

​@@kelaarintruth!

[@bingo7799]

I remember how God describes certain Luke warm churches and says that he basically vomits them out. Well, I can see the main line denominations fitting that description.

[@DeadShooter518]

The PCUSA is not even lukewarm anymore they are openly accepting that they are apostates.

[@Fetch049]

I think lukewarm is quite charitable. Sardis is more like it.

[@specialteams28]

In 2016 I lived one block away from the manhattan Protestant riverside church. As a faithful catholic , I poked my head inside and walked around to see what riverside was offering, it was wall to wall Black Lives Matter posters and pride flags. No thanks

[@JaceyMitchell]

I'm also a Catholic, and yeah some (but not all) mainline protestant churches feel frighteningly similar to unitarianism at this point. But we shouldn't ignore the fact that this tendency is present in the Catholic church as well. It hasn't permeated the church to that point yet but we must remain vigilant and pray orthodoxy is maintained.

[@scotthinzman7698]

Riverside Church stopped being Presbyterian a long time ago. It’s only marginally Christian now and has become a social/community organization.

[@JaceyMitchell]

@@scotthinzman7698 I went to their website and it certainly looks like a satirical take on a radical leftist unChristian "church". So basically borderline unitarian.

[@specialteams28]

@@scotthinzman7698 i didn’t know it was previously Presbyterian. As a high church traditional Catholic derp in my faith and history with lots of research into all the permutations and manifestations of Protestant denominations, I agree with you. There was nothing inside or outside the church building that was Christian, Protestant or otherwise. In the world of spiritual warfare, the Christians have lost the battle of Riverside church and it has been occupied by pagan forces.

[@specialteams28]

@@JaceyMitchell orthodoxy will clearly be maintained until our Lord’s second coming. The only question is why percentage of God’s children will remain faithful and be vigilantly awaiting His return. Catholics are obviously not immune to turning their backs on God.

[@jonathanstensberg]

Fun Fact: the “mainline” in mainline Protestantism refers to the “Main Line” of infrastructure improvements built to connect Philadelphia to the new capital in Harrisburg. Chief among these was the Pennsylvania Railroad mainline. Wealthy residents (read: Protestants) of Philadelphia quickly established suburbs along the mainline, building protestant churches as they went. These were therefore the “mainline churches”, and the area is still referred to as the mainline. These mainline churches were distinguished from the lower class protestant churches (and Catholic Churches) of the city. Thus the wealthy denominations can to be called the mainline churches or mainline denominations. This wealthy suburbanizing trend occurred in every major city as the railroad mainlines were built, so the term gain common purchase across the country. And that’s how we got the mainline in mainline Protestant.

[@Wewwers]

tldr Mainline actually means bougie Christian

[@Archiva1-k2o]

Thank you for this wonderful information!

[@truthseeker1536]

I lived near Philadelphia 20 years ago, and heard the same. Thanks for the explanation.

[@zoompt-lm5xw]

Thanks!

[@felicciasc]

Wayne, pa in the house

[@JonathanMeyer84]

Let me make sure I understand this. According to the pro-amendment camp, churches will still be able to call whomever they want...but, at minimum, all new pastors coming out of the seminaries will be required to hold to these heterodox beliefs? How naive do they think people are?

[@kriegjaeger]

However much they think, they would be underestimating it. Most people do not pay attention to things at this level, at all.

[@savioblanc]

They aren't betting that the people are naive. They're betting on the people not caring enough to do something about it. And they know there is more that don't care than there are those that care

[@JonathanMeyer84]

@savioblanc Oh certainly, I have no doubt that is their real strategy. However, for those who are at least somewhat paying attention it should be possible to see right through their answer.

[@instapwnx]

There is no question in my mind. This is satanic.

[@Billybob50101]

When you “tolerate” heresy and heretics, they will eventually take over your congregation.

[@lisakurak3733]

Not surprising when the culture influences the church instead of the other way around.

[@beagrateful431]

Why don’t Christians just read their bibles? Scripture could not be more clear on this topic as it describes the behavior in detail

[@PaulsWanderings]

The more of these videos that I watch the more I am glad that I am Catholic.

[@Ben-kh7wh]

Unfortunately, I think things will start falling apart in the Catholic Church too. A lot of conservative Catholics would argue it already has with Pope Francis. The next 20 years are going to be extremely volatile I’m afraid

[@DamonNomad82]

Many Roman Catholics are so busy sneering and jeering at the Protestants sliding down the slippery slope of leftism that they don't realize that they themselves are on that same slope as those they are jeering, slightly behind but moving downhill just as fast. Exhibit A: Frankie the Frankenpope, the Vicar of Wokeness...

[@Billybob50101]

Didn’t your “infallible” pope allow for the blessing of same-sex couples?

[@scotthinzman7698]

The Catholic Church is losing members as well.

[@williamchurch9768]

​@@scotthinzman7698 And the problem with Roman Catholicism is that it is not Biblically catholic concerning the core content of the gospel: the righteousness of Christ for us. Only His righteousness saves. Our righteousness is for sanctification not justification. But if saved, personal, though imperfect this side of glory, righteousness manifests in the believer. It is a response of gratitude for God's mercy. But as a Biblical protestant, I feel much more at home with conservative Roman Catholics than with Leftist fake Protestants. Btw, I am a Protestant-Catholic.

[@thewaterguy17]

Shocker, the people who subscribe to their own interpretation of the scriptures are suddenly trying to purge the ones who actually agree with tradition...funny how this always ends the same way.

[@salvadorhenriquez4091]

​@@hya2in8how? I've read it and i'm not finding the correlation...

[@sentjojo]

an inevitable consequence of the reformation

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

We will not back down. We will restore true teaching in the PCUSA no matter what it takes!

[@09philj]

That is prideful hyperbole. You will not take "whatever" actions are necessary. You do not have the courage for true extremism.

[@FlyingGospel]

What it will take is a return to Rome. There is no alternative. Repent from your scismatic prideful heresies.

[@ReformedSooner24]

I mean good luck with that. Us evangelicals will be sitting over here. Waiting for all the mainline churches to go Tango Uniform and then we can buy their buildings and establish real churches in them again.

[@ReformedSooner24]

@@FlyingGospela return to Rome? That’s jumping from a ship that’s sunk to a ship that’s sinking. Francis and co are playing the progressives’ long game and it’s plain to all of us who don’t have some emotional reason to deny it.

[@Fetch049]

lol ok boomer

[@bingo7799]

It always seem to start out as a request by change agents for tolerance then progresses to intolerance to those who earlier agreed to be tolerant to the change agents.

[@dallasdrotts4907]

Hegelian dialectics at work.

[@jondxxxiii]

The same situation happened to the RLDS church, as the leaders have, quite successfully, created a new denomination and organization. This process takes deliberate deceit and gaslighting against faithful members and friends.

[@dw1419]

"When I am weaker than you I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles"- Frank Herbert

[@chibu3212]

It goes from tolerance to full on totalitarianism unfortunately.

[@anthonyn.7379]

Wonder how this is gonna affect Redeemed Zoomer’s Reconquista

[@auggieeasteregg2150]

Might be retaliation against the reconquista

[@JonBrase]

If it goes through, it will be used to expel the Reconquista faction, but the Reconquista movement is meant to be broader than just the PCUSA. But if the PCUSA expels its faithful members, then at least there will no longer be any reason for evangelicals to exhort them to come out from her.

[@CobraRedstone]

Don't worry, he'll find a way to spin it as somehow being the fault of Orthodoxy.

[@neoturfmasterMVS]

He's joining the PCA. Soon ;)

[@Ammo08]

I'm curious what they think they are "progressing" to? Sodom and Gomorrah?

[@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs]

You can't be a practicing homosexual and lead people into the Kingdom of God. First you need repentance, and to turn from your ways. This is essentially the issue.

[@20quid]

And that's why numbers are declining in all churches

[@Agnus131]

Well, a lot a heterosexuals won't either : they haven't made themselves eunuch yet.

[@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs]

@@20quid I'm not sure I understand. What is the reason for the decline?

[@TheNabOwnzz]

Nor a non-practicing one either.

[@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs]

@@TheNabOwnzz cool story, bro. The Bible doesn't really deal in identities of people, it refers to behavior. So, when St. Paul talks about the homosexual not inheriting the kingdom of God, he's talking about those who do that behavior. I think it's important to point out that our identifies as Christians is truly all that matters, and for someone to identify themselves homosexual over and above their identity as a Christian is idolatry as well. But those who struggle with same sex attraction, and seek the kingdom of God, and don't give into the lusts of the flesh, and don't live right in their own eyes, I think it is possible for them to be truly Christian.

[@robertcallahan7153]

As denominations chase after secular morality they become what Paul describes in 2 Timothy 3:1-9. Outwardly they look to be followers of Christ, but inwardly they're as corrupt and craven as the unsaved, and they celebrate it, rather than seeking freedom from sin. They have the truth that Christ died for our sins, but they focus on talking about Christ coming to teach us about love, and they distort His teachings to focus on tolerance and acceptance, instead of repentance.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Right because Christ teaching you to be a good person is less important than teaching you to flog yourself in the streets.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Focusing on repentance does one thing: it turns you into the Catholic Church, which was so corrupt they thought you could buy salvation

[@davidfraser2946]

What is disingenuous is the implication that homosexuals won't be welcome at conservative churches. Welcome, absolutely! Loved, absolutely! But such churches think that homosexual activity is ultimately self-destructive. It is out of love and concern that (good) conservative churches won't celebrate or approve homosexual activities. It is a disagreement on what 'loving' and 'welcoming' is. To say that (good) conservative churches are not welcoming is begging the question.

[@tohagil57]

If I am not mistaken, when the PCUSA affirmed the ordination of women to ordained office it wasn’t mandated at first. It only took a few years before it became mandatory. I belief that is the same trajectory they are on now with the homosexual issue. It is only a matter of time. I also think the Fellowship churches are delusional if they believe it is possible to engage in ministry and missions with apostates. They would do well to disaffiliate now rather than wait for the other shoe to drop.

[@TomasOBrien]

My faith has been recently reawakened within the past 6 months, but my understanding is that we are called to repentance and to deny the self, not to indulge the self. What makes pornography an indulgence of the self, and homosexuality not? This needs to be a serious discussion.

[@xravenx24fe]

They're not simply indulgences of the self, either, and that's not the determining factor of what is right and wrong

[@springheeljak145]

The discussion should be over whether homosexuality is an intrinsic identity and not merely a fetish. When people treat it as an identity, something unchanging and at the foundation of their being, then it becomes harder to argue what makes it inherently wrong.

[@txquartz]

​​ I am a gay Catholic. It is part of my identity. But I also understand how it is a sin. In the same manner as infidelity or masturbation or porn. Is it a mortal sin? Certainly not. But it doesn't lead to the holy institution of family, either. And that's what makes it wrong, not the orientation of my pleasure, which is irrelevant to the question.

[@LorenzoPelupessy]

​@txquartz I'm curious how do you deal with your feelings? I'm surrounded by LGBTQIA friends and family so it's kinda hard to get the message across... Would appreciate your help! Thx

[@jacobfreeland6881]

You will not find liberal Christians who agree with your premise. They believe and teach that love is indulgent, not disciplined. Everything else they believe and do follows logically. (It is, of course, all sin; your understanding is correct.)

[@michaelinsc1644]

This is what ultimately becomes of Protestantism: endless splitting up. When you split from the Church that Jesus and the Disciples founded to follow the teachings of "reformers" 1,500 years later, things are not going to go well.

[@thomasbeach905]

@@michaelinsc1644 When someone in the Catholic Church decides to disagree with Catholic doctrine, they leave, either becoming atheists, Protestants, or members of another religion. When someone in a Protestant denomination decides to disagree with the denomination, they leave, becoming atheists, members of another denomination or another religion. The only difference is that they also have the option of starting a new denomination. Does your church have an unbroken succession to the Apostles? Fine, but if your teachings are not the same, that succession is of no value. The departure of the Church from Apostolic Teaching forced the Reformation. The Reformers weren’t eager for a split. Fortunately, Vatican II brought the Church back to the Bible, but that was rather late. It was long enough ago that many don’t remember what things were like before, but until recently, I had a tract from Dublin condemning Salvation by Grace through Faith as a “Damnable Heresy”. Recently, one of the best defenses of that doctrine that I have read was by a Catholic layman.

[@Turf-yj9ei]

Christians: Everyone is welcome but we won't celebrate and encourage your sin LGBTQ: Stop oppressing me

[@richdorak1547]

As followers of Jesus we can't celebrate or encourage this or any sin to continue . " Go and sin no more " . Jesus

[@Agnus131]

@@richdorak1547 so have you already made yourself eunuch for the kingdom of heaven ?

[@thomasbeach905]

@@Turf-yj9ei Initially, God has to accept us the way we are because he can’t very well accept us the way we aren’t. He doesn’t want us to stay that way, though. One of the purposes of the Church (here I include all Bible-teaching types) is to help us (with God’s power) to become more like what God wants. All of us have to change. Should I be “proud “ of having a bad temper? Or should I change?

[@TheReader6]

PCUSA is now “sola self.” “Sola sese” or “sola ego” I’m not sure the right Latin.

[@Stormageddon571]

10:40 Half of those committees are reason enough to leave the denomination.

[@Hoboappalachia]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@jondxxxiii]

I attended a Presbyterian USA seminary and had the deep impression that all were welcome, as long as one affirmed the progressive views of the faculty. There was a blantent self-imposed ignorance and denial by the instructors that many Presbyterians disagreed with the teachings that were being promoted. Students who openly questioned or rejected certain perspectives were often criticized and excluded by their peers. There was a lot of backbiting because of this. I felt there was freedom of expression and thought, as long as you supported the leftist messages. There were classes where the lessons clearly contradicted scripture, but there was never an explanation as to why that was. You simply needed to regurgitate the ideals of the professors. Anyone who did not yeild to what was being said was labed as racist, provential, or patriarchal. There was simply a lack of TRUE dialogue and critical thinking. In the midst of this, the seminary, out of necessity, had to sell property to merely stay afloat. Many seminarians lost their housing as a result. There was distrust between the student body, faculty, and administration. Simply no transparency. . . It seemed the institution was keen to neglect the open and all together theology they claimed to uphold and advocate, all for the sake of the dollar. Professors, who so often claimed advocacy for the marginalized, were suddenly silent. I am sure this was out of security for their jobs and positions. In all, it was clear that this method could not sustain itself. This seems to be a trend throughout the wider Presbyterian denomination. I believe Matthew 7:24-27 offers clear insight into this situation. The Presbyterian church is not the only faith group to encounter these challenges. But time will tell as the wheat and chaff separate themselves. Prayers for the Presbyterians who are overlooked and forgotten in this sad development.

[@jeffking4176]

😢 . Yeah, sadly this is happening in many denominations across the board.

[@johngregory4801]

My Dad spent one year at Princeton Theological Seminary in the mid-50's. He left after that year specifically because they were doing almost everything you wrote about to promote their ungodly view of the Lord and his Word.

[@springheeljak145]

Maybe conservatives should no longer tolerate "free expression" if the end result is always conservatives getting pushed out. But conservatives are always on the defensive, remaining reactive instead of proactive

[@kriegjaeger]

@@jeffking4176 Across the world in all aspects.

[@peterpapoutsis496]

How do you dialog with heretics????

[@mazixkazz5756]

God is sorting those who want truth and those who don't.

[@Ransetsu]

Amen

[@SimplyReformed]

Typical, when in the minority those who hate the Word of God cry "victim" but once in the majority then scream "bigot."

[@ddrse]

You can be LGBT and Christian 👨‍❤️‍👨

[@SimplyReformed]

@@ddrse Can you be a fornicating Christian? An idolatrous Christian? An adulterous Christian? A stealing Christian? A covetous Christian?

[@SimplyReformed]

@@ddrse Can you be a stealing Christian?

[@AdmiralBison]

@@ddrse this is lying to oneself, because it ignores what is written in scripture. It's being LGBQT and having cognitive dissonance on what Religion's stance has always been towards gays. It is bigoted, plain and clear. LGBQT do not need Religion, they can and are living a moral and spiritual life without Religion and god belief without having to fool themselves.

[@weirdo9958]

​@@ddrseno you can't

[@xyz5765]

As a member of a disaffilliated United Methodist Church, I know what you're going through

[@Deathbytroll]

Time to return to the apostolic Church and leave Satan's temple

[@brownro214]

@@DeathbytrollYou need to clarify this.

[@brownro214]

Same here. United Methodists are far from United and it will only get worse.

[@Fetch049]

While the proposed changes do not mandate intolerance toward conservatives, I can't see any other way they can be interpreted and implemented.

[@blackukulele]

‘These people [a]draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

[@davidw.5185]

Luther often spoke of "the Radicals". People split fellowship over a myriad of reasons, but I don't think even Luther could have conceived of how desperately wicked the American Christian landscape would get. Most are becoming antinomians these days. American Protestants are a mess in 2024.

[@marysisak2359]

Soon everyone will be their own "church".

[@kriegjaeger]

I don't mean to sound arrogant or conceited, but I think the problem is people know more about Luther, Calvin, or contemporary authors and writers than they do of scripture. Read Kings and Chronicles, Israel itself a nation explicitly founded by God and guided by God's very hand with his presence in their very temple did not go long before turning back to Idolatry. David had the holy spirit and still comitted multiple sins two of which the only penalty for was death, no forgiveness offering proscribed in Leviticus. If the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, I can only fathom that's because it will be taken out of the world before that happens.

[@billmartin3561]

@@kriegjaeger. The gates of hell won’t prevail against the Church that Jesus established, the Catholic Church. Sure it had/has issues and needed reform, but there should never have been splits. The American Church landscape shows why. For all of Pope Francis’s talk of being open, he cannot go against scripture, church teachings, or church dogma…so the Catholic Church can never fall into this heresy.

[@kriegjaeger]

@@billmartin3561 The catholic church worships idols and prays to a pantheon. Maybe not officially but it undeniably has Maryism and tokens of saints people worship and direct prayers to. Our worship is meant only for God.

[@ChristopherWentling]

@@kriegjaeger🙄

[@SantaFe19484]

I never could understand why people who call themselves Christians, who have chosen a career in ministry, would approved openly unbiblical behavior.

[@CMVBrielman]

17:04 At risk of sounding like the stereotypical Catholic mocking stereotypical Protestants… what is the point of being in a church that says “you can believe what you want?” EDIT: Just to be 110% clear, I’m calling out the official statement being quoted at that time stamp. This is not me just picking on Protestants in general. Thats what Knights of Columbus meetings are for. ;)

[@beans4706]

Probably the same point of having an “infallible” pope that is always going against whatever the last guy said

[@mcgregorpiper]

When I heard that response to the dissents I thought the same thing. I perceived it as “as long as you simply go through all the motions, you can believe whatever you want.” But, the breaking apart of Protestant denominations is an inherent flaw in the movement. (Full disclosure: I am a Protestant)

[@ivocomum]

I'm a baptist and I agree... We can't just believe what we want, we should believe in the bible, the written word of God. I think they said that to try not to split the church... but its already splited... Just not in the outside. That being said, we can disagree in some theology, but not in the fundamentals. I would rather go to a catholic church (that i disagree a lot, but i believe still has the fundamentals), than attend a progressive church that threw out Christ to make the world happy. (sorry about my English. Not my native language)

[@namewitheld2568]

Along with the other comments. Believing what you want has to do with small variations and theological view. Let's take eternal security of a believer. My pastor and I actually discussed this all the time. He's 100% on the side of that I am not so sure. I won't bore you with the details but we can disagree on that but we agree on all the big stuff. On the small things I go back and read the Bible he reads the Bible and we have a conversation. The type of stuff they're talking about there's just no common ground. The Bible is crystal clear on certain things and I just don't see how you get around it I'm with the previous poster. I'd gladly go to a Catholic church then some progressive non denominational church. Sure I disagree on certain things but on the big stuff, we are good.

[@WasatchWind]

It's interesting hearing a movement of younger people to stricter denominations - being told you can do whatever you want doesn't really make for a fulfilling faith experience. Having values members are counseled to hold to, requirements one must reach before joining a church, it of course is going to turn many many people away, but in the end you'll have a much stronger church, with members who actually want to serve one another.

[@nope24601]

So sad. The amount of deceit that was required for these churches to end up where they are. Truth is necessary, Christ is necessary.

[@uncensoredpilgrims]

The foolishness of staying in a compromised denomination in order to "maintain unity' or "be a conservative voice" continues to be shown.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

You might want to consider a rabbinic teaching on the difference between the way God punished the generation of the Flood (with total destruction) and those who built the Tower of Babel (with mere dispersion). God spared the latter because they were unified and worked together-even sinfully-whereas the generation of the Flood acted corruptly and violently toward other human beings.

[@thomasc9036]

It was always an excuse. They were never truly "conservatives". They were just fearful of losing the church property. For 100 years, they DID NOTHING.

[@uncensoredpilgrims]

@@KingoftheJuice18 I would not agree with that rabbinic teaching, that attempts to guess at the reasonings behind the mind of God. In reality, one reason God did not spare the pre-flood people was that their bloodline (Noah's family excepted) had been tainted with human-angelic hybrids known as Nephilim (Genesis 6).

[@johngregory4801]

1 Corinthians 15:33 applies.

[@dman7668]

The problem is the reformation itself failed. Not the split. Time to start being Catholic.

[@CatServant]

I’m a former PCUSA member. I left because the toleration of sinfulness morphed into promotion of sinfulness, starting with the promotion of gay marriage, clearly a violation of the Bible. It seems that repentance of sin is no longer a thing in the PCUSA.

[@Agnus131]

That's right, christians can't promote mariage (Matthew 18, 11-12 ; 29-30 ; Galatians 3, 26-28).

[@CatholicSamurai]

If all these mainline churches keep formally rupturing over a number of the most fundamental questions of Faith & Morals that were once touted as being “basic fundamental Christian truths necessary for salvation,” I’d imagine a mainline protestant should pause to give serious discernment to the whole Protestant schema and framework. As I saw with the UCC and UMC ruptures, lots of protestants lamenting their mainline brethren “abandoning the Gospel truth” then not scrutinizing any further, as we see (once unified) mainline protestantism go through further balkanization. It’s getting to the point where mainline protestants are now embracing those basic heresies of Docetism/Arianism/Pelagianism/etc.

[@ethanduncan1646]

It's getting hard for me to call them "mainline" denominations when they are falling victim to fringe heresies that would never have been acceptable. But if you think the papist faith is any better than I have a bridge to sell you. The current pope seems just as interested in these fringe ideas as these "mainline" churches. Catholics and these Protestants are more alike than unalike.

[@salvadorhenriquez4091]

Wait a minute, that same pope said that there's too much faggotry,(in a negative light) i dont know if he's following those same churches. And lastly, he doesn't establish our faith, he's not infallible, he can be wrong ​@@ethanduncan1646

[@salvadorhenriquez4091]

​@@ethanduncan1646it seems that my original comment was deleted by youtube, but even the catholic church says that the pope can be wrong and obviously, the pope will never be perfect, humans are not perfect, so maybe, he was wrong....or you are misinterpreting, and btw, that same pope used some strong words against homosexuals not long ago, so maybe he's not taking the liberal or mainline church route...

[@bobanderson6656]

There will be a new group of 'mainline' denominations. It's already happening. I went to an ECO church last week in an old shopping mall. There were several hundred people at the 11 AM service and I bet almost as many at 9 AM, while the local PCUSA churches are closing down.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

​​@@salvadorhenriquez4091I don't think pope Francis in particular to be bad but I feel like he needs to make his stance clear. His statements last year in same sex couples for example caused major discourse and disagreements among the other branches of the Catholic world especially the ones in Ukraine and Africa who feel like Rome is becoming too close to Western secular forces. There needs to a greater crackdown on corrupt members of the church and the secular forces trying to weasel their way into the Catholic church.

[@bigbuck9984]

Im sorry for all Methodist and Presbyterian who are Bible believing and truly of Jesus and are born again believers. It is problem time to find a smaller Evangelical or Baptist or non denominational church. That seperate themselves from all this chaos. They are the true protestants that love scripture. Love Jesus and love people so much that they tell them Jesus died for them. Praying for you guyd

[@rlstowe3]

There are plenty of PCA, ARP, and EPC churches that haven't succumbed to this heresy.

[@bigbuck9984]

@rlstowe3 I'm sorry you are correct there is a great PCA church not far from my church. I go to an Evangelical Free Church and my Pastor and thier Pastor get togther quite often

[@_ky5824]

At this point, this channel does sounds like a Catholic or Orthodox advertising campaign.

[@theeccentrictripper3863]

If you're craving even marginal amounts of theological stability those are your two options, everyone else is just a weather vane it seems. I'm a humble neoplatonist though, so it's not my fight, I'm just watching from my weird little corner with fascination.

[@hermanr5513]

So all discrimination is bad? Is it not right to discriminate against a 5year old who wants to deliver a sermon and prevent them from doing so? What about someone whose theological position is in direct contrast with scripture or the church’s doctrines? The Church belongs to Christ - man has no authority to change it so that it opposes Christ. A church that opposes Christ is not a Christian church.

[@mht5875]

Any church that kicks out Christ is a social club.

[@PShawtx]

Some churches need to consider. Mark 7:8 "For laying aside the commandments of God, you hold the traditions of men....... Mark 7:13 "Making the word of God of no effect through you tradition... Acts 5:29 "Peter and the other apostles answered and said: We ought to obey God Rather than men." Accepting someone does not mean supporting them not following God's teachings and example. You can love them but not agree with everything they do.

[@kriegjaeger]

A loving parent disciplines their child. A loving friend warns their fellows. To see someone indulging in sin is like watching someone drink themselves to death and do nothing.

[@mht5875]

I saw a meme on Facebook, posted by someone I know who is a convert from Catholic to Episcopal: "We all make errors in our theology: you and me both. So my recommendation is to err on the side of love." Said person believes in celebrating and accepting everyone, which seems to be the norm in the Episcopal church today. Where did God go?

[@arubaga]

Our hearts changing, but God is still there.

[@garyr.8116]

"If it is of human origin, it **will fail!"** Acts 5:38 Yet there is ONE church, still standing strong after 2000 years, and it is NOT protestant!

[@jonasaras]

Greek Orthdox all the way!

[@St.MartinofToursPrayToGodForUs]

​@@jonasarasChristos Anesti! ☦︎

[@ReformedSooner24]

That church stopped standing the moment they put the church above scripture

[@garyr.8116]

@@ReformedSooner24 'that church' was 'set standing on Rock' (Mat 16:18) **BEFORE** there was a (NT) Scripture; 'that church' " IS the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." 1 Tim 3:15 **Jesus Himself, like his forefather Joshua (Joshua **24:27**), set this ROCK(Mat 16:18) as a witness that will 'speak out against you' in your rebellion** - SO YOU SEE - SCRIPTURE ITSELF SHOWS US THAT !

[@OrthoBroJoe]

@@ReformedSooner24The one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic church is what gave us the scriptures in the first place.

[@danielhixson3717]

I know these same arguments were made when it was decided to allow pagan idols in the Temple of Jerusalem. We all know how that 'inclusions' turned out for Israel.

[@daniell.5483]

Goodness gracious.......the church is falling and falling fast. Liberalism is spreading like cancer. Grieved my spirit to watch this video. 😔

[@professorquarter]

Nice reconquista you got there, bro.

[@FriarJoe66]

Aren’t the schismatic groups universally smaller than their parent denomination? I don’t think a “reconquista” is realistic in any practical sense.

[@professorquarter]

@@FriarJoe66 Often, but not necessarily on the aggregate. Honestly it doesn't even really matter. I'm referring to the fact that a rapidly-growing conservative PCUSA KZbinr has been advocating for the retaking of mainline denominations through simply staying in and waiting it out on the premise that the more liberal churches and members are dying. He might be right and he might not be, but this clearly shows how fraught such an endeavor is without congregational church polity. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this current change in the PCUSA book of order arose in reaction to his channel. This is how his fantasy ends, with a reaction from the embodiment of the very same traditionalism he larps. It really highlights why these conservatives jump ship for random evangelical denomination/schism #4306 or what have you and it is not like many who join groups like the GMC didn't consider the possibility of exactly this, even if you take a very cynical view of the people leading schismatic groups. I'm not saying jumping ship is correct, but perhaps your local elders and ministers weren't as ignorant as you in all your 25 years of wisdom or whatever assumed. I'm not a boomer, but the irony here is palpable.

[@cupojoe4769]

It is unwise to "take back" a corrupt church. It is noble to try to lead them right, but you are powerless to do so and aren't immune from corruption yourself. More importantly, very few churchgoers go alone. In other words, they have families. If you would subject your loved ones to the ever-increasing theological nonsense, you are partially responsible should they stumble. Pray for these churches and judge them righteously, but don't fellowship with people who deny core aspects of Christianity for the delusional dream of taking back a building and the worldly institution the churches have become.

[@Matzu-Music]

The catholic church called. they're suing for trademark infringement!

[@clivejungle6999]

Why mock and scoff at a Christian trying to return their church to biblical orthodoxy. Maybe they wont succeed, but at least they are trying to do something positive. Who do you think God will be happier with? The scoffer or the one who tries? Thank the Lord you weren't around in the 1st century. You would be looking at Paul with pity saying 'Just give up, bro'...

And this is how being uncompromising dies: with thunderous applause.

[@Fred.jpeg_]

+100 Papal Primacy +10000 Magisterium [phone] the Holy Spirit keeping the Church from Error

[@Dilley_G45]

Not with pro LGBT "pope" Francis. Surely hasn't understood 1 Cor 7

[@wormius7350]

Like with the Catholic charismatic movement?

[@justinkase1360]

They have their own heresies that place them outside of the church. Only God and scripture maintains the church, through people. The magisterium works for the other team.

[@lizzsszzy7800]

Paid indulgences?

[@randomguy1453]

Clown mass Homosexual blessings Eastern Catholicism Nestorian sacred heart Fillioque heresy Immaculate conception heresy Original guilt heresy False decretals (used to back concilliar decisions btw) 3 pope controversy (western schism) Documents deemed to have papal "infalliblility" arent the only things you must follow, all ordinary documents are binding on your conscious Cheiti and Alexandria documents Pachamama Mass abuse of children Etc. Yup, sure does seem like the unblemished true church

[@Nomorehero07]

As someone who recently came back to the Catholic church since March. Seeing these denominations split makes me sad but at same time there really is nothing new under the sun.

[@LorenzoPelupessy]

Nice, Ecclesiastes

[@petros-petra]

_For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you, and in part I believe it. For there must also be factions among you, so that those who are approved may become evident among you._ 1 Corinthians 11:18-19 LSB‬

[@MattM.Silva01]

How is the catholic church doing in the north? Here in South America things are really crazy, I'm a Protestant but I have a lot of cousins that are catholics and they're fighting like crazy against liberation theology and socialist influence. I already knew about these divisions in the catholic church, but nowadays things are crazy, some catholics really hate the pope.

[@Triquetra15]

@@MattM.Silva01In the north there are some issues, but not nearly as much. In fact, there is a great traditional shift going on in the north that Pope Francis is trying to rail against. He can’t stop it though.

[@theeccentrictripper3863]

@@MattM.Silva01 That's been the case for nearly a century right? I had always heard Catholicism in South America was far more susceptible to socialist influence and quirky forms of syncretism

[@Mark3ABE]

Sometimes, it is only necessary to introduce one false teaching into the Christian Faith to cause a Church to collapse. For example, Pope Francis is regularly heard to say that he “likes to think of Hell as being empty.” That sounds very “nice” of course. However, think what follows from a belief that everyone is going to go to Heaven, come what may. If there is to be no final Judgement, if the sheep and the goats are not going to be separated, with the sheep going to eternal joy in Heaven and the goats going to eternal damnation in Hell, what is the need to preach the Gospel, what is the need to call people to repentance and what is the need to call those who are converted to live in newness of life? Attack this particular teaching of the Christian Faith and everything else comes crashing down. At the time of the French Revolution, the atheists behind the Revolution did not say anything as shocking as “God is dead”. People would never have accepted that. However, they went about saying “The Devil is dead”. Once they had convinced people that there was no Devil, that there was no Hell, that there was no eternal punishment for sin, the rest followed easily. Now, of course, Cardinal Fernandez, the Prefect of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, has endeavoured to protect Pope Francis by stating that nothing that the Pope might say is to be considered to be a formal teaching on a matter of faith or morals. It is all just the Pope’s private views. However, it is all rather insidious - perhaps, he then goes on to say, we should all adopt the same private views as the Pope, so as to remain in solidarity with him. Resulting in the absurd situation where the Prefect of the DDF is encouraging Catholics to abandon the teachings of the Faith and to replace them with those of Pope Francis. “There are”, he has said on other occasions, “now two Theologies. There is the Theology of Tradition and the Theology of Francis.” The Faithful are encouraged to set aside the Theology of Tradition and to join together, for the sake of unity, in embracing the “Theology of Francis”. The only difference between the Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches these days is that the Protestant Churches which have abandoned the Faith now openly state that the Faith is false and that their views are correct. In the Catholic Church, Cardinal Fernandez says that the Faith is still true, but, since very few would actually want to follow it, let’s just all pretend that it does not exist and all agree to adopt a nice, non controversial, all inclusive, all accompanying set of beliefs in its place.

[@jennteal5265]

Broad support from a bunch of PCUSA committees who all have some sort of mission where God is made no part. Somehow I can't say I'm all that surprised they like this change. I suspect they do not worship the same God I do and instead worship a god of their own making. Let them have their golden calf. God will deal with them in His time.

[@ghostapostle7225]

So that what Ortlund means with "it's better to be a protestant because you'll be part of larger concept of Chuch" wich means you can believe in any doctrine you want, as long you're not catholic or orthodox. lol

[@elliotuh6150]

Redeemed Zoomers reconquista is not lookin great, I wish him well still but yeah

[@Empty_Robot]

He's a goof.

[@danshakuimo]

The more I watched his vids, the more it seems like he is trying to plug a hole in a sinking ship but half the ship already got torn off by an iceberg. Of course, in Christ all things are possible, but the PCUSA might need a miracle, or Zoomer and the reconquistadors should just shake the dust off their sandals and leave.

[@Empty_Robot]

@@danshakuimo the pcusa is pretty good as is.

[@memeboi6017]

@@Empty_Roboto-o Did you not watch the video…. Forced liberalism people!

[@auggieeasteregg2150]

When the lady at the end says that it isn't about belief, she let the cat out of the bag

[@donalddodson7365]

Thank you for the discussion and sources of information. Blessings.

[@ReadyToHarvest]

Thank you, Don!

[@coyoacan73]

I thank God every day for my Roman Catholic faith.

[@scotthinzman7698]

The Catholic Church is losing members as well.

[@crabser2253]

​@scotthinzman7698 yeah but it's not mandating gay marridge

[@scotthinzman7698]

@@crabser2253 No, just a simple blessing.

[@crabser2253]

@scotthinzman7698 there is a big difference between the pope sating that individuals who are gay can be blessed versus saying that lesbian pastors can concentrate gay marriage between two men

[@scotthinzman7698]

@@crabser2253 I couldn’t be more opposed to what the UMC is doing. My nephew left his UMC church in the last year over this issue. You can make excuses for the Pope’s position on blessing same sex couples but blessing people who are consciously, actively engaging in homosexuality is an approval of their acts and actions.

[@JohnDinChrist]

A fascinating, balanced, in-depth analysis. Thank you, Joshua, for your comprehensive research and "just the facts" reporting.

[@richdorak1547]

So PCUSA has lost the plot too . God does not make up His mind via a " spectrum " of considerations. He's pretty black and white on what He determines right or wrong . Society changes. He doesn't . I'm thankful for His way . Peace

[@drbulbul]

I really appreciate the neutral, informative approach in these videos.

[@heroevulgar]

Me as a Catholic watching the consequences of Protestantism in 4k the while the Catholic Church grows every single year: 🍿😎

[@oto7039]

Same bro ☦︎

[@isaacdominguez474]

Come to Catholicism

[@dman7668]

Might as well at this point.

[@SirMicahBroch]

No. Sacrifice my entire set of principles because things have a bad outlook? That would be the most pathetic thing ever. Shut up.

[@isaacdominguez474]

@@dman7668 the body should be united again 🥺

[@isaacdominguez474]

@@SirMicahBroch sounds like u need some grace in your speech. We have it here

[@SirMicahBroch]

@@isaacdominguez474 sounds like the point went over your head. I will not sacrifice the correct theology and become Catholic just because things get bad. Get that through your head. Did Athanasius become arian because he was exiled 5 times? And no, some Catholics are some of the most ungraceful and hostile people known to man.

[@Thistle28]

Mainline Denominations: “man our numbers have really suffered these last years… I’m sure a split will help that”

[@gregkelly2145]

There are 2 real questions to be answered. Do you accept the Bible as God's word? If so, do you believe in affirming unrepentant sin in the church?

[@djcfrompt]

All the people in the comments griping about "scriptural truth" as an excuse to hate your neighbor, answer me this. Do you exclude your divorced neighbor as vehemently as your exclude your LGBT+ neighbor? Jesus Himself taught that divorce is forbidden, yet was entirely silent on LGBT+ issues. If you do not refuse ordination, membership, etc. to divorcees, are you really trying to maintain accordance with the Scriptures, or are you just looking for an excuse to exclude people that you have been taught to hate?

[@SoldierofChrist9]

There is no doubt that the Lord will have the final say on these blasphemous churches.

[@RobinSteiner]

If your church is basically a reflection of modern values and literally oppose Biblical teaching on some values, what's the point of going to church? The gospel stands on its own, if it doesn't it's not the gospel.

[@andrewfeurtado8698]

Division is from the Evil One We need The Church to be one again we are all the Bride of Christ. ❤

[@joshuamkk]

Any church wedded to this world will be widowed by it in the next

[@jaredmatthews9403]

REDEEMED ZOOMER: "And I took that personally."

[@corym8358]

My beloved Episcopal Church over the past 3 or so decades has transitioned (no pun intended) into a woke social club. I miss it.

[@keithjackson7261]

Genesis 9:13 KJV "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth." Gods (rain)bow Revelation 6:2 KJV "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. [2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." "A" (rain)bow ...How many Churches have been conquered so far by the White horse rider and his message of "purity and authority"(the crown) using the "bow" given to him.

[@jameshobbsiv4040]

Are you going to make a video covering the movement by Redeemed Zoomer he dubbed the Reconquista?

[@james-wz4js]

It's a race to the "bottom"...literally.

[@notarobot2161]

Oof! What a sinking ship. Result of not protecting the sheep from infiltrating wolves. Many to blame here. That die was cast long ago. I’m glad I left this nonsense.

[@vincenzorutigliano7239]

Redeemed Zoomer be looking closer to Catholicism every day. Hopefully a Thomist.

[@ammsgod1764]

He would go the a Lutheran or one of the Conservative Presbyterian churches

[@gumbyshrimp2606]

@@ammsgod1764he’s too much of a Calvinist to end up Lutheran

[@ammsgod1764]

@@gumbyshrimp2606 have you seen the way he talk about Lutheran and Dr. Jordan B Cooper. He did say he thought about being Lutheran,

[@esserman1603]

He supports Don Scotus over Aquinas and would not convert to Catholicism.

[@doublescoopovanilla5835]

Aside from you you feel on the issue of homosexuality, isnt it sad to see the level of conversation decline from deep theological topics to base sexual discussion? Its completely self-obssessed and not at all focused on God.

[@vict0ree]

Fine. Let them go. They can enjoy that reprobate mind and where it leads them. Satan is taking over the Church. They made their choice/free will. God ALWAYS wins.

[@macicoinc9363]

Pray for them

[@PatriciaBilleadeau-ui8eb]

The Bible is the standard not religion

[@petros-petra]

Most people couldn't read until the invention of the printing press. The Bible was canonized until the 4th century