Another Major Order FAILED?? | Players using the WRONG WEAPONS? | Saltdivers Ep4

Helldivers 2 -The Major Order to destroy 2 Billion Bot is in danger of failing! Players are complaining about weapon balancing but are they right? We think there is a lack of thought going into load outs.
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[@JoeSaidReptiles]

In short they killed our motivation with the nerfs when they made the game less fun to play.

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

Be patient. Things will be okay. Hope you come back if you’re currently out.

[@__-fi6xg]

@@SaltyNerdGaming people can only take so much frustration before leaving for good. If the game also fails at its second chance after pulling people back, the game will be jaded as having lots of potential and throwing it all away.

[@vincentramirez6967]

I put soo much hours into this game. Hitting level 98 after 300+ hours. Got burnt out with all these nerf. It's like they're personally targeting all my fave weps. Hopefully they release some fix to spark my interest.

[@jido9698]

I 100% agree with this the weapons feel shit and not fun after all the nerfs. Its a pve game it needs to be fun and not balaced. They stomp me in 1 blow and i need alot to bring down 3 to 4 hulks and 2 walkers. Maybe im Just bad 😅

[@Mrofficer2u]

The nerf killed motivation literally every match people are saying the same thing and if it's this hard now just imagine dealing with the illuminats which has already been the tough faction

[@homingice6444]

1. AH thought they would see the 400k numbers after the sony issue. Which wasnt the case as the game itself was still banned in 170+ countries. Not to mention pc players not wanting to be apart of a mandatory linking. We went from 400k+ down to 150k at best. They based the order off of old data instead of setting the bar low to get a feel of the remaining player base. 2. More patrol spawns means more enemies. More enemies mean people just get fatigued quicker especially with assault rifles hitting like bb guns. People get frustrated. They get tired a bit quicker. Less play time. 3. Stubborn bug only players. Wrap them all together and there goes another lose on the major order. Unless a miracle happens.

[@Logajam.]

4. More bugs spawn per mission. My kill count on a bug map is usually over 200. On a bot map it's closer to 100.

[@GeepeBrow]

With 33K daily active players, maybe even less now. No wonder we failed major order.

[@JohnSmith-kg2rt]

Unban the 180 regions who can’t play

[@qlar83]

Well if half of the world cant play than major order shouls be trimed a little as well...for democracy!

[@ElBandito]

And 30-50% of the players on average played on bug planets for the duration of this MO. There is no excusing that.

[@mademyday100]

Loss of players from 100+ countries might have something to do with it too....

[@leebarfoot9603]

A lot of people are still not playing because of the country restriction still being in place, and what is the point in medals when there isn't anything exciting to buy.

[@Supajack831]

This game is about collective effort. “People working/playing together to achieve a common goal” When players decide not to work together on the major orders (regardless of which front) we’ll continue to lose. I love fighting the bots, terminids- not so much, but if the next major order is to kill bugs, you bet your ass I’ll be there squashing em BECAUSE I AM A TEAM PLAYER.

[@konellin189]

well...not choosed the wrong weapons...but...choosed the weak weapons t hat we have given by Arrowhead....we need some medium armor penetrating weapons tbh

[@IntheDeadofDarkness]

To all the players in regions that are banned, just enter the United States illegally like everyone else and BAM! problem solved!

[@ashanisyra4784]

Bot loadout for helldive: Light stealth armor, Diligence Countersniper as a primary, grenade pistol as a secondary, stungrenades. Stratagems: eagle airstrike, autocannon, orbital cannon, orbital strike (or laser if it's command bunker or blitz).That's because of my playstyle though. I'm a flank/support-sniper with anti-heavy loadout. For the defend mission: Heavy armor, Orbital laser, orbital barrage 380, EAT and the fourth depends what I'm feeling like

[@dkkids]

I also have a similar playstyle. I enjoy running a similar setup!

[@b4ltic_]

Generally my go-to loadout for automatons is to run Supply Backpack with the Anti-Material Rifle because that thing shreds through bots, especially if you aim for weak points, with the backpack ensuring I have an ample supply of ammo for it and for my teammates, then I run an Eagle Airstrike for larger groups of enemies and multiple buildings in Larger Factories, and then an Orbital Precision Strike for smaller buildings, also because I like having a separate cooldown for my stratagems, so there's less of a chance of me not having one available when I need it. I've tried out a few primary weapons, the one I tend to stick with is that first smg you unlock, I just find it the most useful for clearing hordes of basic bots, particularly with its magazine size, and the ability to use it one-handed for when I'm retreating or when I'm carrying an SSD is a big plus, for the secondary (not that I ever seem to use it) I just run the first machine pistol you unlock.

[@Nanobits]

I noticed the EU numbers are very low during times when i play at night, my guess Sony's little stunt removed a huge player base, just take a look at the Steam charts and you will notice the drop off of players to almost half after midnight. Hard to get the numbers when you are losing almost half the player base during certain hours.

[@colinbright1520]

More like majority didnt care there was 40-60k plus on terminids every day

[@Vespyr_]

I'm a new player to the game bought it this past weekend. I'm... not having a lot of fun. I played bots exclusively and they are just, very painful. Very frustrating deaths. Feels like shooting a wall every time I aim at one...

[@DustyOrange]

I'm sorry you didn't have fun with the game. Best advice I can give you is to shoot either their heads or their glow-y vents to kill them faster, but generally, you will be more successful with a hit-and-run strategy. Staying in one place for too long will quickly overwhelm you. If there's too many bots, run away until you lose them, then circle back from a different direction or go do a different objective and come back. Smokes can be useful for this, but most people don't use it. You can almost play this like a stealth game. 2 melees to the back will kill most smaller mobs if you wanna try. Also, as of right now, most guns have a scope misalignment, so it shoots just a bit below where you aim. Aim just a touch above and you should be good. Individual body parts have their own HP, so you wanna focus fire on one area. If you're going for their head, only go for the head. The chainsaw ones can be shot in their crotch or their head, both are glowing orange/red. Heavy Devastators (the ones with a shield and minigun) die easier from explosive guns like the Autocannon or grenade launchers, aim for upper body and can take multiple shots since their shield can block. Anti-Material Rifle is great for hitting their heads if you're confident with shooting a sniper. With heavy hitting/explosive guns (such as most of the shotguns or medium penetration rifles), you can blow off their shooting arms to force them to melee, or blow off their legs to slow them down. Autocannons can ricochet shots into the vents of factories, you just have to be facing them from the front and shoot the 45 degree vent cover, meaning you don't need to get too close to encampments. A recoiless rifle, expendable anti-tank, or 2 autocannon shots to the hulk's eye can kill it fast. Stun grenades or EMS turrets/orbital can help you line up the shot. Alternatively, a 500kg or precision strike I believe can take it out in 1 hit. I'd recommend the base Liberator, the Defender smg, or the Sickle laser rifle from Cutting Edge for automatics, the Breaker, Slugger, or Punisher for shotguns. My general loadout is Sickle for reliable primary with low recoil and potential infinite ammo, stuns for stopping heavies, autocannon for dealing with armored enemies and objectives, 500kg for wave clear/armored enemies, airstrikes for objectives and some wave clear, and airburst airstrike for general wave clear. Bugs are kinda the opposite, you can play it super aggressive and action-hero like. Just make sure to bring some wave clear stuff like napalm or any airburst, and something to take care of bigger bugs like 500kg, prescision, orbital railgun, laser, rockets, etc. It plays a bit closer to traditional horde shooters like L4D. Be aware, for bugs, the fleshy bits/their butts are not usually their weakspot for most guns unless it's explosive. If you're using a normal shotgun/rifle/smg, its usually better to hit their heads. If you have something explosive, like nades or rockets, you can usually aim for either head or butt. Sorry for the length, but I hope you find some of this useful, since there's a lot of stuff the game doesn't tell you about.

[@ElChupacabras365]

I bet if it that 180+ countries wasn't blocked from the game, that major orders should be completed. Of course the numbers decreased 😂 How many people from that countries was playing the game🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@gahmivolka6582]

well seeing I was seeing around 160k before that whole thing happened and now only see roughly around 100k max. I would say a lot.

[@ElChupacabras365]

@gahmivolka6582 it's a lot of people that can't play the game🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ they need to fix that. And isn't only Helldivers 2, now Ghost of Tsushima is also blocked in those countries. Then they wonder why the numbers went down 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@ElBandito]

And 30-50% of the players on average played on bug planets for the duration of this MO. There is no excusing that.

[@jordanrea9564]

It's called playing what you want to so get over it

[@ElChupacabras365]

@ElBandito for me, the game became repetitive. So I play the daily mission, get the 15 warbonds, and switch to another game🤷‍♂️I'll keep doing the same until they decide to add more enemies different than the Bots and bugs🤷‍♂️

[@neogenesis312]

2 Billion Bots are much Harder then 2 Billion Bugs. And Bots are more hated cause the Rocket Spam and ragdolling. I hate Bots.....

[@user-zv6hk4gk2k]

My most hated is the heavy devastators shooting through mouNtains at me and hitting with near perfect accuracy

[@andersonaldo869]

Who cares im not grinding medals for more shitty armor perks and weapons they'll nerf again next tuesday

[@hoanglam668]

I just subbed. I love conversation about something like this, like I was there with you guys, straight talking, great content, looking for more! ❤

[@1999bm]

Finally, someone gets the tenderizer.

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

Right on dude.

[@blackfireslayer9869]

Many people don't like what they don't want to understand.

[@eliachbob]

whit all the nerf this game is a runing simulator . my bug record kill is 986 now is 600 max and i have to run arond the map 2x more time

[@bartofii]

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but 5+ hulks doesn't feel like as much of a threat as the waves of berserkers the game throws out in areas where you might see that many hulks in rapid succession. edit: I keep wanting to find a 'easy' strat to better handle berserkers since they seem to like spawning them in waves of 5-10 and makes me think they're mod on the fodder side of things, but I just don't see a real way to dispatch them efficiently unless I instead use the removal I want to save for hulks.

[@hobbithubby5076]

My go to bot loadout is the Autocannon, Eagle Airstrike, Orbital Laser, & the Orbital Railgun for Hulks.

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

That’s a good loadout right there.

[@Rovaneon]

This podcast is pure gold

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

Appreciate that! Thanks.

[@dustinhess6798]

Do you guys have a Discord channel? Set a up Dive together community? Would love to Dive you guys sometime?

[@artamesfrost4179]

Current bot loud out. Blitzer, quasar, guard dog rover, grenade pistol, stun grenade. Dont sleep on the Blitzer its nice now. You need the pistol for the chicken walkers and shooting the legs of the Hulks with the quasar. Can comfortably solo 4. I know people hate solo players but if you can solo a lvl you will become a better player fornthe groups.

[@PlanetJeroen]

stalker: just empty the incindiary breaker in them, like the brood commander

[@RenYi_Abarai]

I also forgot to comment about PSN... Im also from locked out region where PSN is not available (Latvia -EU) HALF of my friend did refund the game i did not and now they cant buy it back, and due this I kinda stopped playing

[@nobodyfromnowhere3597]

Honestly Bots are not bugs, I have builds that allow me to clean up Helldives but I can barely make it to over 200 while with bugs I could take a rover and easily go over 500 kills.

[@waxusonthegrind]

comparing the tenderizer to the p-113 verdict handgun, quick math. tenderizer ammo count 35 x 10 mags / verdict ammo count 10 x 8 mags against basic bot grunt for reference. tenderizer 3 shots to the body 11 kills per clip if you hit all shots times 10 is 110 kills with full ammo and 100% accuracy (hardly attainable especially with anything heavier armored than a basic grunt ) verdict 1 body shot kills most of the time 10 grunt kills with a full mag times 8 is 80 kills with 100% accuracy (since you use this weapon at a closer range your attainable accuracy will be higher) *these numbers are if you would have 100% accuracy Now the first warbond's jar-5 dominator with a 15 round magazine box x 6 mags gives you 90 high caliber jet rounds. the dominator 1 shots every low tier enemy and single taps devestator heads can take out heavy units and buildings with heatsinks giving you a max of 90 kills with full ammo. It also destroys every bug except bile titans. I always come back to playing the dominator as it gives me the ability to "significally touch" any enemy type on the field and you feel that it hurts them. I now run the p113 as my standard sidearm because it has more stopping power than the starter pistol and the automatic pistol and it feels easier to use than the revolver. combining it with either the jar 5 dominator to be able to hurt every enemy type on both sides or the scorcher when i play with friends on higher difficulty bot missions to get rid of turret towers easily. every warbond weapon after the first one has been worse than any of the before mentioned weapons for me. but i would suggest this on the devs side for the tenderiser, give it at least 80 to 90 damage per shot. change up the muzzle brake flash to be more impressive ( like the 80's action movies quad flame coming out of the brake) and give it medium armor penetration so the advertisement of being a higher caliber and a long barrel bullpup so it feels more like you are able to shoot chunks off your enemies. at the moment the best assault rifle is the failed dmr adjudicator which was the worst dmr but basically the best assault rifle at the moment aside from the stalwart that you could substitute for any other primary to play around with.

[@DrunkenShellback]

ARs feel too similar to SMGs. ARs and DMRs definitely need buffs. More Energy weapons would be cool. Since the bots all use red laser weapons, we could have a different color like blue or purple.

[@axelsupertramp1119]

We have the sickle which fires yellow beams

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

DMRs are in really good spot right now, diligence counter sniper is my favorite bot primary now, and the handling was buffed enough that it isn't a chore to use when you forget to change when you swap over to a bug mission

[@STLPLAYB0Y]

I didn't even try the major order to be honest with you I'm getting tired of every new Loadout I create getting nerfed they spend more time nerfing the game than coming up for reasons for me to keep playing it

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

Sounds like things are going to change in our favor in the next few weeks.

[@kasperlindmark]

if people prefer the bugs over that many medals, doesnt that say something about the state of bots?

[@ElBandito]

The rewards this time was not just medals, but also a new stratagem as well.

[@kasperlindmark]

@@ElBandito so it just says a lot more about the state of bot missions

[@scottcheg9]

Bots are actually more fun than termanids in my opinion, you need to coordinate with your team to take enemies down effectively, I still think termanids are fun but it’s more mindless, you can scramble and generally everyone does ok. Not Knowing weak spots is what really discourages players new to bots I think because they can feel a little invincible when you’re hitting them in all the wrong places. I only started 2 weeks ago fyi.

[@nobodyfromnowhere3597]

Bots are harder.

[@ElBandito]

@@kasperlindmark Or it means a lot of people don't want to be shot at.

[@dudeyoudontneedmyname]

Totally agree, we need to be patient and give the devs a second to breathe and another minute to pull things back in. Regarding the players not playing, I'm not going to go at you on that one - but from the minute Sony dropped the announcement until they rescinded it... the amount and purity of enthusiasm I had for the game was temporarily crushed, but also a little bit permanently tainted. I think the devs are going to bring the fun back, and in short order. But there's always going to be a lingering aftertaste of Sony PSN debacle. The absolute worst part about that aftertaste is that it just doesn't need to be there.

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

As much as I like playing both sides I understand why players avoid bots regardless of the MO. Some people just want to be Starship Troopers.

[@momqabt]

Polar patriot is good? Try dif 9, Helldive. See how much the Tenderizer works for you with medium and heavy enemies, solo (edit:) or co-op

[@pkkiller_apathy4568]

Facts! I am abusing the punisher plasma and it doesn't seem to matter. I even am running EAT and quezar dropping a bot drop by myself and it doesn't matter. Because of the 6 factory striders,12 hulks and 8 tanks on defense mission don't care.

[@remuscalpe2885]

bots are hard if you are using wrong equipment's...

[@blueviper7501]

Bots are harder when you got incompetent teammates.

[@agp11001]

Bots are harder in general. Bugs are easy mode.

[@remuscalpe2885]

@@blueviper7501 +1 here if the random attack patrol groups ahahah!

[@thenewjew9671]

Favorite anti tank weapon is the spear (when it wants to work) you hit anything in it’s weak spot it’s a one shot

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

I can’t wait until they fix the targeting. I love that weapon but it is fickle AF.

[@Jacob-uh2ed]

I kinda stopped playing mainly causd of always getting kicked to lobby or my teamates get kicked. It did start really happening till recently. Also i hate when it happens near the end of a 40 minute mission and it just ruins it for me

[@jordanrea9564]

What load out do you bring cause if it's the standard mortar then you will be kicked

[@pockets8548]

@@jordanrea9564 the mortar is good tho

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

@@jordanrea9564 kicking for bringing a mortar is silly, just because you dont know when/how to place them doesn't mean everyone else is the same boat

[@jordanrea9564]

@@nickgrundtisch6798 yeah and been staggered and killed cause people love throwing it down when evac is called is my problem get bent dude

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

@@jordanrea9564 you don't think you have killed a teammate with an air strike or sentry at some point? When the pelican lands why don't you kill the mortar, or ask teammates not to put it down at the end of extraction timer. Or maybe have some situational awareness and don't run where there were enemies in the last 5 seconds instead of blindly panicking and running for the pelican the moment it lands...

[@palehorseman1572]

Awesome job lads!

[@HazmatHenry]

After working all day I want to actually enjoy the game, sure the bots are fun to play for some people and that’s great, play whatever front you want, I’m just sick and tired of people attacking others for not doing the major order. It’s a game who cares, most people just want to have fun.

[@IntheDeadofDarkness]

Your treason has been documented and reported to High Council pending review.

[@scottcheg9]

As a new player I spent most of my time over on termanids focusing on the last major order, It was a bit of a learning curve but now I can fight bots no problem, get your asses over here and do your part!!

[@pantherdraconi7234]

I wish theyd make the change that players had to contribute a certain amount to a major order in order to get the rewards from it, it would help motivate players to contribute more.

[@stronensycharte64]

Yea but like twinbeard said, if we won every major order it wouldnt make for a good story would it?

[@skullkid8351]

@@stronensycharte64 those are two completely different issues though. If people don't contribute, they just don't deserve part of the reward, simple as that. And that doesn't mean that we're gonna win ever single order, but it would actually give an incentive to give a fuck and contribute towards the higher goal, instead of profiting 100% from other peoples work, when all you did was kill fucking bugs on Omicron or Hellmire for a week.

[@BoggydanBuckney]

Vs bots I've been running heavy armor with the fortified trait, then either a dominator or a counter sniper with the grenade pistol and impact grenades (you can kill 7+ chicken walkers with 1 impact grenade if they're close enough together). For strategems i go eagle airstrike (it can destroy tanks/hulks as well as fabs), orbital railcannon, orbital laser, and autocannon for devastators and hulks and anything with a heat vent. Havent tried running it solo yet, but playing it in a team of 2-3 has made level 6s a breeze and level 7s totally doable.

[@Lucernas]

From what I could get from people and my own look into the warbond people are pissed that the trailer lead on more than what the gun can do and people feel that the guns that we already have outperform these weapons but those incendiary impacts hit good

[@waxusonthegrind]

incendiary impacts are the only fire in this warbond XD

[@Cetun79]

I think the most complains come from people that play T7+ and are in my opinion absolutely justified. The Game keep throwing more and more large heavy armored enemies at us in T7+ while at the same time the balancing team keeps nerfing weapons. The Tenderizer (that is, as much as you like it, basically a Liberator reskin with a smaller mag) might be doing well on t4 Missions. In T7+ where you encounter just as much, or even more devastator variations and bigger enemies as small targets, it is in fact just not enough. And yes every Enemy has a weakspot, but if even the "weakspot" has medium or heavy armor.... good luck with a light armor penetrating Tenderizer.

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

and they nerf'd how many tanks were on missions and gave more trash mobs, they nerf'd speed and alpha damage of spewers, they made it so you can one shot chargers with rockets, they have done far more buffs to weapons than nerfs. I took a kid from his first full mission at level 2 and got him in one night to be able to survive and contribute on level 9 bugs and lv 7 bots with just the liberator.... by the end of the night we has lv 10. played with him last night again and he did fine once again on level 7 bots once again, aside from the one map where we got a triple gunship fabricator spawn right on landing....

[@PlanetJeroen]

for stratagem calldown, get an mmo mouse

[@Ch4os4ever]

Had to slog through my daily orders with the unfun peashooters our weapons have become... there are consequences for nerfing all fun and the sony psn crap...

[@rhino270a]

What news about it coming to xbox to help player count

[@InevitableKing]

We have failed to get this same stratagem twice now. This time it’s definitely because we have less then 90k players playing then the normal 100k+ because of the changes that have happened, and also because there are people that don’t care about finishing the major order, as we were pretty divided fighting bugs instead of bots. I really wanted the anti tanks mines man.

[@phatpanda3848]

My take, Bug players are not interested in anti tank mines as what heavies do they worry about, chargers, thats it (that the mines would be useful for) so they won't go to bot which they dont like playing plus a reward they dont care about. there will always be bot players and bug players and arrowhead need to set targets that can be achieved or failures will come.

[@Logajam.]

I expect we should get the anti-tank mine in 3 to 4 more days. Just because the major order is failed doesn't need the goal conditions go away. That's a lesson we should remember from the failed major order to take Tibit. Once we finally did bot reinforcement rates dropped.

[@Magnagod558]

I luvvvvv me a devestator shooting gallery with the AMR my beloved. Feels amazing to see a bot drop of hulks and heavy devs then pop pop pop. Bots really feel epic imo and allow for some satisfying skill expression. I wish bugs had those kinds of weak points rather than everything proof armor that locks many weapons and strategems out of use. Looking forward to some weapon buffs and expanding kit options tho. Sucks when my friend asks me if spear fix is on yet and ehhhhhhhh.

[@nickohart3408]

Lv 79 here. My general loadout for bots, is Quazar, shield pack, sickle, and either the grenade pistol, or the newest pistol. For bugs, its Incendiary Shotgun, Quazar or autocannon, grenade pistol, and shield pack. ( shield pack saves your ass against stalkers ) Stratagem are typically Airstrike, railcannon strike, and / or laser.

[@FenixReZ]

Why use the sickle for Bots?

[@miltonr87]

Let's be honest, there isn't much creativity in that Major Order 😒

[@tohrukobayashi4446]

Well the main attack force of The autômatos arrived and toke cyberstan so on my perspection of view .. The major order aim to weak The Enemy and use The scrap from them to make The anti tank Mines. It seems ok to me.

[@Rybear1977]

Finally. Something to listen to while going solo in Helldivers. Speaking of going solo, how are you going solo in level 5 difficulty? I solo in 3 and going from that to 4 feels like going from hurt me plenty to NIGHTMARE in Doom. Making me feel like I'm lacking in a LOT of skill. But in seriousness, I love your takes in this. Actually made me see some things in a new light.

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

Salty is a glutton for punishment. But it makes him better. Thanks for watching. 👊🏻

[@yoderboys1]

I run the dominator with the recoiless rifle and redeemer as secondary and ive had good success with that against bots. Im definitely giving the laser cannon a try.

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

It’s MELTS bots. So fun. Just hit those weak spots

[@yoderboys1]

@@SaltyNerdGaming I look forward to it!

[@RamzaJinnRuu]

My guy you are not the casual/normal players that play the game. Your friend even said you lean more to hardcore players you can literally make any weapons work with your crazy reflexes. You can't speak for the casual and normal players these weapons as a whole is too nerfed one of the reasons the games player base has dropped hard. This is a PvE game the game balancing shouldn't be anywhere near how you balance a PvP game.

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

This past week ive gone out of my way to go to lower missions and find brand new players and help them out. Few days ago a level 2 joined up on his first full mission. within a few hours not only survive lv 9 bugs/ lv 7 bots, but he was contributing in a meaning full manner at level 10 with a liberator. You don't have to be some hardcore player with crazy reflexes to be good at the game, you just have to be willing to ask questions and take advice. Also the whole "doesn't need balance its pve game" is a load of bs When things are just flat out better than something else people say "why would i ever bring that, this is better, might as well delete that from the game omg what are they doing". Then people are saying "we don't need anything op, just give us something that plays a little differently but feels good" and when they do that people complain "yea it feels good to use and it plays a bit different but i want more". Everyone on a team bringing the exact same load out for every mission type was dumb. Were some of the nerfs heavy handed? yes, but most of them were needed in some for or another; and people ignore the buff after buff after buff they have given other weapons. The game is in a far better month after month with more weapons being not only viable, but good and with different play styles between them. Now you can load into a game and everyone is using different load outs on the same missions, and changing load outs between different mission types. AH has been remarkably receptive to taking feedback and course correction and some people no matter what the devs do, or how many things they get that they asked for are going to bitch just to bitch

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

@@nickgrundtisch6798this. This right here. Everything Nick said.

[@artamesfrost4179]

I have learnded this, and i have only done 4 atm. If you can solo and complete most if not all of it you will be a better player in group. At least that's my take. If you can manage more enemys and not only survive but thrive then when you have a group with you its way easyer to me.

[@firrycel]

i like the game so much, but the weapons are bs so i just enjoy killing bugs because at least they dont shoot back with way more powerfull weapons

[@SaltyNerdGaming]

Start some Bot missions on 3 or 4 difficulty to get an idea of the weaknesses. Bots have very easy to find weak points and once you know them they become much more easier to dispatch. Keep up the good work Helldiver!

[@darkalleywaystudio3975]

It won't happen. As is, we would have roughly been at 90% going at the pace we were, countries still being blocked from purchasing again, and that was without the steam maintenance getting in the way at the last moment. There was a chance to achieve it but it was so small of a margin and it seemed like everything in the world wants to get in the way of this major order.

[@chazdoomy1512]

I think people are being a little hyper critical with the war bond

[@raeishimura]

I have loadouts that i've been using for bugs and other loadouts that i use for bots. They have been reliable for me, and while i can play around with other weapons, even with everything they changed about them those loadouts still work great for me. There is no single loadout that is best. if it works for you, it works. I'd rather someone use the weapons they are actually comfortable with because i know that person will be more reliable with their weapons. If you can reliably kill with it, get to the western front and start putting bullets into bots.

[@neko_otaku_guy213]

I think the sidearm is the best gun In this warbond tbh, I run around in the new scout armour and sneak into bases pop them with the pistol get the obj done and get out. For Stalkers the Dominator eats them for breakfast.

[@OneTato]

We were getting 4x kills per player before they patched the way it was calculated. Its not lack of player its that math you seemed to wanna talk about.

[@IntheDeadofDarkness]

It was the lack of players playing bots this time. Many were still playing bugs. Why? Why would anyone ignore a democratic direct order and go off and do what they want with no reward or reason? That's why this game has issues is bc most players are selfish or stupid, some are even both.

[@OneTato]

@@IntheDeadofDarkness you are just a troll who doesnt play the game.

[@stronensycharte64]

I comepLETELY agree with the guns in the new warbond, the only one i dislike also is the purifier, it doesnt feel good to use at all. The tenderizer feels sooo good to use, like a line of bullets, i also agree that its only good against bots, i wouldnt bring it against bugs, same with how i wouldnt bring the flamethrower vs bots.

[@noealejandrocedilloalonso9408]

El problema es la resistencia de los bots, fue facil eliminar los 2 billones de insectos, porque aparecen de media de 50-100 insectos en brecha que puedes matar muy facil con una o dos balas mientras que a los btos ocupas muchas mas solo para matar a uno.

[@demonofwar1155]

Unfortunate 😕 we'll try are best against the next order tbh they need to fix the robots so it's just as much fun killing robots as it killing bugs

[@Brotato5]

Thanks Sony, the helldivers were cut off 30% at least. We don't have enough ppl to finish major orders anymore☹☹

[@ElBandito]

And 30-50% of the players on average played on bug planets for the duration of this MO. There is no excusing that.

[@user-jc1ur7rw4p]

The call to complete the MOs for the medals is very lackluster as you can get more medals in two hours of gameplay.

[@Impossible_Emporium]

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[@waxusonthegrind]

X'D People going to go all anime and shouting Ryoiki Tenkai when dropping their 500kg's

[@balzaak4803]

Ppl want to complain about the weapons, but I have no issue with 90% of them. My biggest issue are the support weapons. Outside of 2 or 3, I don't find much use out of them. Not enough to want to use them. The regular guns are supposed to be good enough to hold your own, but you need your strats, including and especially support weapons. It's how you deal with the the big hitters that can make or break an engagement. Those need to be readjusted. Rail gun still sucks, the hmg really doesn't do anything better than the regular MG. The regular MG is ok, same with the stalwart, the quasar is ok, the airburst launcher is below average, imo. The standard guard dog has so little ammo its useless. So, the eats, recoilless, the amr, and the rover. That's it... Edit: against bots pair up the diligence counter sniper with the rover. You need to be patient with your shots, but it wrecks. I also add eats so I can have antitank when I need it. The pummeler is absolutely amazing for bugs, for now. You can even kill chargers in a few mags by shooting them in the butt, but they won't move as long as you hit em with it

[@Daniele858585]

They nerfed all the weapon i had fun, now to play it's a lot more boring than before = less people playing = failing major orders

[@olegrizzly68]

Just finished a level 3 mission, solo. Cleared the map and got to evac. Wow, just wow at the patrols that got dropped on me at evac. It was insane. Ain't even gonna lie, hid on top of a rock until the pelican landed, jump packed down and gtfo. Edit: Was using Scorcher and AMR. Been testing different weapons load outs.

[@Red-iu6wu]

fun fact bot spawns are bugged. you get a 4 player amount of spawns at all times and a patrol every 20 seconds after main mission is done so they stack up real fast

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

If it helps after you clear the map and go to extract, patrols will always come from the closest edge of the map. If you leave a bot factory up at extract , they will arrive from that direction. That information helps me prepare for their arrival.

[@Red-iu6wu]

@@that80ssongyoulove84 that's awesome i never noticed that thanks for sharing

[@asraarradon4115]

There has always been a rather large number of players who don't fight bots much, or even if, at all. It's been that way since the beginning. Now the honeymoon phase is over, and player numbers are reducing. Combine that with the controversies surrounding Sony, making tempers high and morale low, and it's not hard to see why it is that we've failed the last two major orders. They will have to adjust future expectations given then reduction in player numbers, or we will never complete another, and that will further reduce morale and player retention.

[@RenYi_Abarai]

Hey guys, for me its also an issue over balanced stuff nothing stands out too much, bots are really frustrating to play past 5 difficulty spawns are just bugged I played that evac missions of scientists and i can tell you we failed misserably we ran full squad all levels 60+ the bot drops just got out of hand at one moment we had 6 hulks dropped at same time lol idk before patrol changes etc we could play on higher diff and feel comfortable now some mission types for bots on 5th diff feels worse than hell dive on 9th diff...... Also new meta vs bots shield +new smg pummeler and stund grenade + quasar cannon

[@subinaut]

Quality of life sucks in the game. Guns suck devs are nerfing the fun in the game. Playing against bots is sweaty not fun, and bugs are a chill walk in the park. Cant blame the ones playing bugs

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

there have been far more buffs to guns and nerfs to enemies than the other way around. If i can take a brand new lv2 player on his first full mission and with in few hours he can survive and contribute on lv 9 bugs and lv7 bots by the end of the night, maybe the problem doesn't lie with the guns

[@infra_r3d133]

Bro, only been playing bots since I started and when I go to fight bugs the Stalkers WRECK MY BUNG HOLE

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

@@infra_r3d133 that does seem to be the trend, what ever faction you start on the other gives you a hard time. it is a different play style for each. one is kiting and evasion, one is positioning and tactics. two entirely different mentalities to have and it can be hard to swap between them at first

[@infra_r3d133]

@@nickgrundtisch6798 true. When I tried to link up in some random pub matches today, I could not find a competent bug group. So learning was not going to happen today

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

@@infra_r3d133 what timezone do you play in?

[@DrektharPvP]

fuck the medals i want my mines T.T

[@warp00009]

I hate the bots because if you're red-green color blind like 10% of the male population is, they're difficult or impossible to see until they're right on top of you. Embarrassing that any game coming out in 2024 doesn't support a color-blind mode! Heck, even a lot of single player games like Forbidden West do (funny to see Aloy with her red hair hiding in blue grass)! Surprised that EU standards don't require that! Because of all the SONY induced controversies, by my estimation the average in-game player count now is about 1/5th what it was a month ago - so no surprise that once again we failed this most recent major order. I put in 15 to 20 hours on this order, but to no avail. So few of us can't do it alone.

[@SheepDogg-ki1gp]

Did nerf automatons somewhat so no longer OP with increased spawns. Much easier today.

[@Red-iu6wu]

lol i just posted about that bug they fixed it?

[@RPod89]

Of course it failed streamers are promoting Terminids front.

[@apiscator444]

Together With all weapon nurfs, poor new releases, broken swarms, unrealistc orders, player drop numbers, half players only play bugs, it was clear this was a bust. But main fault is with devs ballence team in particular, not players.

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

bs, there have been far more buffs to weapons and nerfs to enemies than the other way around. The new war bond is exactly what people asked for "just give us something something that feels good and plays a bit different we don't need to be op just different", that's exactly what they gave you.... They buffed AR's a day or two before war bond came out, that's too close to release to change anything and do testing, they even gave a poll asking if they should delay the release to work on things and 70% said release it now... in a week or so it will get the supply changes like everything else and probably a small damage bump on tenderizer. You cant have it both ways

[@Red-iu6wu]

i like bots more than bugs but i mean if they wanna fight bugs then its whatever they paid for the game and i know that i wouldn't let people tell me how to play a game i paid for though i do like doing major orders. medals are easy to get ive been maxed out on medals more than once (max medals are 250 by the way) and bot spawns are bugged right now so they spawn way more bots than they are supposed to its like a patrol every 20 seconds at times so i kinda get the frustration and not wanting to do bots. (im level 87 at the moment) about the new guns the new AR isn't bad its just when you look at stats they are lower than the default rifles however it has less recoil and more range but the game doesn't show those stats so you only see down arrows plus the description says high stopping power and its just wrong info.

[@waxusonthegrind]

imagine a bug break behind you or cover every 20 seconds XD I usually get frustrated with the bug breaches and patrols especially on solo missions

[@Red-iu6wu]

@@waxusonthegrind right? with bugs it would be so much but they chase you in a hoard so things like cluster bombs can take the little guys down really fast so its mostly the chargers and titans that are an issue but bots? they spread out and because they spread out and use cover with ranged weapons even though there are less they take longer to kill and if you don't play hide and seek to clear them all in the short window they pop another flair and it can snowball really fast.

[@PatrickF.Fitzsimmons]

Helldivers is done. Between the Sony issue, the nerfing of solo, and nerfing of guns and lack of focus by the dev team, it wont be recovering. I haven't logged in for a week.

[@RamzaJinnRuu]

Same I haven't played for like 3 weeks now. I use weapons that fit my play style (support back, backline fighter) AMR, turrets, Tesla tower, Spear all of them are bugged to hell or just too weak to run with. Mech suit limit of 2 with a cooldown close to 10 minutes when the mech instantly gets wrecked by bots makes it useless. So since I feel like I am very weak makes me not boot up the game to play

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

there have been far more buffs to weapons than nerfs, solo/duo spawn rates are being looked again based on feedback

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

@@RamzaJinnRuu AMR is fantastic to play with good damage, turrets can be very good if placed well, tesla tower is situational, spear is still kinda off, but why not just use the recoilless rifle its basically the same damn thing but with more ammo?

[@RamzaJinnRuu]

@@nickgrundtisch6798 Not going to use it cause "everybody" using it. I am not going to play "the meta" what's the point of having all these weapon types if they all trash and a few not. I am just not going to play the game until Arrowhead fixes these problems. Clearly I am not the only person doing this between the whole Sony situation, Balancing of weapons, and the mess up spawn rates the game is not fun atm. When things get fixed I'll be back.

[@Bangcat]

Tad bit much face time, more game footage, artwork, fan vids, while talking would be nice.

[@crimson182]

I am lvl 65 and run 7-9. Sheild pack and quasar are something i take to pretty much every mission. I can run arround by myself completing objectives. While the rest of the squad struggle to do the same as a group.

[@codyhowerton5035]

Lol the reason you can do that is because the rest of the group draws the bottom drops

[@codyhowerton5035]

Bot*

[@crimson182]

@@codyhowerton5035 there is an equal chance the spawn is on either of us. I just avoid the fight when able and when not I kill them very quickly so I can avoid reinforcements. Most people don't understand how the spawn system works. They struggle because they draw unnecessary fights and stand next to unfinished objectives fighting enemies. The longer you stand next to an object that has not been completed the higher the spawn rate gets until you complete the objective. If you kill everything on an objective before it can get reinforcements great, if not you need to get that objective done while fighting off enemeys. The objective MUST take priority. Also once you finish the main objective the spawn rates go way up. So it is best to complete secondaries before the main objective. Now splitting up does have the down side that of being either/and so all groups more than I think 75m apart could potentially spawn patrols. But it is easier to avoid patrols in smaller groups and at high difficulties some missions are very difficult to complete if you don't split up.

[@KareemAbrahams]

Another issue is half the active players playing bugs when the Major Order was bugs. This has nothing to do with loadouts if you ask me. 😅😅😅

[@KareemAbrahams]

OH that was mentioned, oops🤣😀

[@Vision667]

31:23 "Waaaa this game sucks because they changed things Snarf Snarf" LOL

[@GiveMeYoSammich]

I easily get 300+ kills during bug missions on helldive, I had to tone the difficulty down to 6 and under to usually get 150 bot kills. Bots don't spawn in abundance like termanids do and also there's no decent primary to take on the Bots with like you have with the termanids where the fire shotgun just goes to town.

[@agp11001]

Diligence Counter Sniper works the best for me against bots.

[@GiveMeYoSammich]

@@agp11001 yeah same here, I like running that with the anti material rifle for bots, for bugs it's usually fire shotgun with quasar cannon

[@waxusonthegrind]

Jar-5 Dominator, give it a try and you will want to touch every enemy with it for bot and bug

[@agp11001]

@@GiveMeYoSammich I'm usually a sucker for shotguns, but for some reason rifles on semi-auto just click for me in Helldivers.

[@chismous]

I have moist hands constantly, should I dislike ? 😂

[@d3m0n709]

The guns are trash so im staying out for now

[@Daniele858585]

exactly, it was fun to play, now it's boring cause they nerfed all fun weapons. GG devs, you are doing your best to destroy the game

[@ElBandito]

You just don't wanna try out other guns. Cause there are plenty of useful guns.

[@NSSdt]

as long the 180+ Countries are not back i don`t play it. so simple.....

[@ElBandito]

And 30-50% of the players on average played on bug planets for the duration of this MO. There is no excusing that.

[@masonharvey805]

@@ElBandito yes you go to each comment and say the exact same thing if sony can't be reasonable then why should we condone that?

[@GGBlaster]

I’m not seeing the problems other players are apparently seeing. Grant it, I’m really new to the game, but half of my fun in the game is experimenting with loadouts and finding out what works well.

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

because they don't want to have experiment and find something that works for them, they want to watch a "best load out for xxxx" video instead of learning mechanics of the game and actually using tactics. "omg i cant 1-2 shot bile titans with railguns anymore, devs are killing the game, nerfing my gun"

[@grey_1133]

my biggest issue with the game is optimization because ive ran more demanding games and had much better fps now im not saying hr hr screw arrowhead for making buggy mess, but man would be nice to even get a constant 45 fps

[@Auras101]

Having to ration your ammo when there is endless enemies is putting me off

[@ArchonSG1]

Reason why we are failing MOs are people who are playing the game with no intention to be playing "For Super Earth!" and are just in the game to shoot stuff. Stuff that don't fight back. Bugs. There's a small core I think who cares enough look up supply lines, try to guide people to certain planets, and do defense missions on fire tornado planets over and over and over... but they aren't enough to do MOs based on the total population of the game. Also, the recent nerf shenanigans have tipped the game past the "not fun" line. Realism is all and good but lets be honest here, it is a game and the people who were playing the game as if it's a job, a fun job mind you, doing MOs and going to unpopular planets just stopped doing so because it just wasn't as fun. Morale in a game like this, as in a real war, matters.

[@SaintsROB]

I feel like Super-Earth should restrict travel to other sectors if there is no major order there.

[@Daniele858585]

@@SaintsROB lol, the game it's alredy boring now, why not to took off other things? AHahahahahahaha

[@DY3R80LIK4L]

I level 100 complete everything I get no medals for doing missions as it's capped no point in playing anymore I don't need samples and am sick of people telling me get the samples why you not collect them kick me.just for sake of it sux to be me.😮

[@ObliviousNaga]

It wasnt the nerfs that killed my motivation for playing the game as the most of the weapons are still decent. It was all the community bullshit complaining that killed it. When I stopped listening to all the nonsense, I started having fun again

[@stronensycharte64]

Same man, same.

[@skullkid8351]

great that you're having fun. A lot of people aren't. you have no right to invalidate their experience, and people have a right to voice their misgivings. The only baby who is crying here is you.

[@ObliviousNaga]

@@skullkid8351 ha ha you're a funny guy

[@nickgrundtisch6798]

@@skullkid8351 they don't want to have fun, they want to hop on the hate train and bitch just to bitch. the devs have made buff after buff after buff to guns. sorry you cant pretend you know how to play well the game cuz you cant 1-2 shot titans any more

[@minhhieu6994]

Ridiculous spawn rate, primaries nerfed to the ground, that alone made the game lost so much player base, on top of that 180 countries blocked from buying the game, and because its bots

[@skylerspurlock4755]

Yea half the community that’s been diving has been fighting bugs! Scared to death of the bots! It actually pisses me off! I’ve been exclusively fighting bots because it’s turned me against the bugs! The bots aren’t even hard! It’s really simple, TRY! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@agp11001]

I started out diving against bots, then went to the Terminid front because of the latest batch of Major Orders and my buddies being bug divers and I gotta say, bugs are easy mode, no matter the difficulty.

[@victorwaterfall1457]

I would much rather hear about loadouts from at least level 100... No disrespect, guys

[@Burncd]

When you need to start using things you don't like to get things done in a GAME, it stops being a game.