Answering a FAQ! | Why am I playing rFactor2 instead of iRacing?

[@studio397official]

Thank you for the kind words, Dave - we really appreciate it. 2023 - big push for bigger and better!

[@davecamyt]

Can't wait 😁

[@electricalglitch6030]

please give GT3 new tyre and rehaul !! thats is the final thing we need to get rid of iracing! and complete the list of morden GT3 car like AMG 2020 evo ,trust me GT3 will always be most popular series !!

[@simracingdump]

@Studio 397 Also take into consideration the not-so-nice words. For example, UI, HUD, etc. The fluidity of the UI needs to improve, and as Dave has said, a HUD according to these times is necessary.

[@JDubsPub]

@@simracingdump Agreed 100%. The UI is absolutely horrible and needs to be brought up to standards.

[@beaterbagcar]

Support lfm 397!!!! The writing's on the wall this is our chance to grow the title. I say are because I f****** stuck with you guys so long I can't watch you f*** this up

[@crispeay]

The "excitement in the driving experience" nailed it for me, iRacing I played tons and used to spend ages practicing and did not enjoy much of it at all but did enjoy the races. In RF2 I literally enjoy every lap, the feeling of the car through the wheel brings so much enjoyment in the driving experience

[@dan.vitale]

If you had the UI and Multiplayer setup of iRacing and the driving model, visuals and mechanics of RF2, in one game, and you'd have a mighty racing sim.

[@nmelol]

Thats not really hard to do. This game can easily compete with the most popular ones on the market. It is a matter of pushing and investing. I got this game 2 days ago and I am quite impressed by driving model. Way more fun to drive than AC. Huge potential in physics and driving. Hopefully devs will do right thing and just improve platform and multiplayer as this is biggest weakness.

[@Simlife101]

They need to fix the bugs which happens on a nightly basis every hour or so

[@UncoolJim]

ive not yet tried out rf2 but i have said exactly the same thing about acc

[@kunalsarhadi3768]

And the mods of AC.

[@ScholliUlz]

​@@nmeloland they did. Did you try the new CS?

[@matthewhodgson2008]

I love that you mention "you never know what weather you're going to get" then show a clip of Knockhill. You know you're getting rain at Knockhill, every single time.

[@beyondtheapexracing]

How can anyone not like a Dave cam video. Greatest sim racer content creator, thanks for the video Dave, your a legend in the sim world

[@davecamyt]

You're too kind 😁

[@beyondtheapexracing]

I just hope the next iracing build changes, like you said and I agree it is boring, ive been racing oval because I’m bored with the gt3 as well. If anyone can get iracing to change it would be you. I’ll definitely check out rfactor2

[@hhistertheosis]

And he has male genitalia!

[@nickmarlatt]

Agreed, wholeheartedly! 🏆

[@ecurbrebuh6558]

Hi Dave! Thanks for this video. I tried rF2 awhile back and gave up. I just couldn't get it configured - controls, graphics, etc. With all your enthusiasm for the sim and your advice to spend an hour to get it all sorted out. So I did just that - TRUTH: took me more than an hour, but I'm slow. I got the graphics, controls, and even got SimHub dash overlay working as well. I love the game now! Thank you! Thank you!

[@Ermz]

Never thought I'd see these two worlds collide. Glad you're enjoying it, Dave! My iRacing subscription expired last month, and if rF2 managed to boot into the menu here, I'd give it a bash. Alas, I'll live vicariously via your streams.

[@MaxwellSerna]

I agreed with you Dave, I race in ACC and I used to love it but I got bored by the limited content, then I have tried Iracing but man, the price to be racing each... then i started hearing about RF2 and all my friends telling me I have to try it and since then Im addicted to the game, It doesn't have the most beautiful graphics but the experience of driving any car in game is just amazing. Great Video Dave as always, I hope one day we can race together!

[@VMVarge]

100% agree Dave. I have tried all sims but always come back to rfactor2. So glad LFM have given it a new lease of life! The tyre degradation punishes poor driving. Make sure you take the McLaren Senna for a drive, my favourite car in Rfactor 2

[@stevensimpson]

My only Gripe now with RF2 is the lack of track specific setups in the base content. That's one thing ACC and IRacing at least give you out of the box. Not looking for a perfect setup, just something in the ballpark. Hoping LFM can also make a good 'different' range of series to race in... there's plenty GT3 ones for ACC and IRacing, so need something different.

[@14ryan]

factual steven i have my own setups for f3 and f4 on iracing and then for other series i only do once in a while the fixed setup series work perfectly. would be nice to have the same kinda series for rf2

[@paulcole]

Love to see it, I’ve been high on this sim for a while I’m glad it’s finally getting the credit it deserves and kudos to LFM for helping the process

[@paulcole]

Oh can I just add mate - I also for the first time am contemplating not renewing iracing And also - any chance you could do a vid on your overlays for rf2 for those of us that couldn’t catch the streams where I’m sure you discussed it with chat.

[@andreweccles5091]

You got it on the nail! Fantastic review. RF2 is so much more refined in terms of physics. I'm no where near the level you are, but enjoy racing online without getting crucified with the insane pile ups and the verbal a use that ensues. Takes all the enjoyment out of online racing. "Do it for fun", key comment! Thank you for this great review.

[@daminf1]

Finally someone giving RF2 the tribute it needs to have !!

[@yeagemk]

Hey Dave - I completely get what you are saying. I originally started with Iracing about 7-8 years ago, and it was a much different story at that time - What Iracing provided you couldnt get anywhere else. Its changing though. There is more competition, and at the end of the day, sim racers want the best experience they can get. The truth of the matter is, once you get used to playing a sim with a driving experiece as rich as Rfactor2, driving a car in Iracing just seems...2 dimensional. EVEN with the dated UI and stability issues. There are many sim racers who are perfectly fine putting up with that, as long as the driving experience itself is good. You hit the nail on the head, Iracing really just is Accellerate, Brake, Turn with nothing in between. I want to love Iracing. I love the idea it. But in recent months, I will jump into a practice session only to turn it off moments later to boot up AC, ACC or RF2. I am sure its not just you and I having these feels, and if thats the case, Iracing will be in big trouble if they dont address the issues that simracers are having on their platform. Bringing at least some of those features that you mentioned; dynanmic weather, rain, flat spots on tires/better force feedback would be a great place to start.

[@JallyTee]

Well said, I think iRacing really should stop what they are doing with adding rain and just improve the issues they have, but most of all make a new engine and produce iRacing 2.0 if they want to stay current

[@GrandUppaah]

I've heard iRacing called Guitar Hero with a wheel and pedals. The driving can feel 'formulaic', as opposed to the thrill of driving a car. Ultimately the reason so many of us love cars (combustion cars usually) is theatre and character. I think other sims provide that better than iRacing, they let you enjoy being on and over the limit. Just my 2c, what do I know. And yea, the RF2 pricing model is a bit scummy making you buy all the cars, iRacing is scummy in that you lose content you've bought if you don't pay the monthly ransom. They'll all try and screw ya some way, I do trust Reiza (AMS2) though tbf.

[@davecamyt]

Perfectly said 👍

[@GrandUppaah]

@@davecamyt Love your streams, wish you future success.

[@davecamyt]

Thank you 😁

[@poliboy1980]

My very first time to play rFactor 2 today after reading this presentation. I'm old and I'm coming from the old Midtown Madness (released 1999 haha!), then AC, ACC, Proj 1 and 2. Wow... rFactor 2 is just amazing. The driving experience is frighteningly real. Thank you for this vid presentation. Straightforward. Clear. Excellent! No annoying comments trying to be cool or funny. Subbed!

[@davecamyt]

Thank you! Midtown madness was amazing, but was it really 1999? Jeez, I'm old 😁

[@charleschilders2041]

I agree, I have used them all except RF2 because every time I tried Rf2 it was a mess that crashed a lot. I tried it again because of your coverage. The cars feel amazing. No other sims feel like this. You can keep a car right on the edge of sliding. I could not even feel the edge on most cars.

[@RacingWithChuck27]

I feel irqcing lacks enough Yaw, the ir18 is their best car but if you get close to pushing the envelope at 💯 it’s hard to recover

[@tarmacterrorist.thepotato]

The RF2 Re-surgence is absolutely fantastic and great to see! The LFM platform is just amzing for it, they've done a great thing for RF2! There's been so much hard work put into the sim this year by S397 they deserve it! And you but the content once and its yours! I'd love to try iracing but its the one serious sim i've never tried because i don't agree with renting stuff i've paid to own. I would'nt mind owning the content but still having to pay a subscription for a really decent marshalled multiplayer system when i go online, but I wanna be able to play offline whenever I want without a sub. Been with RF2 since the begining, before that RF1. Its had alot of problems over the years but has always had massive potential. I really hope all of this years developments with drive up sales so they can afford to expand with more staff and push it even further! Great video!!!

[@VeyronBlack]

Well Dave i have been an avid supporter of yours since the early days when you have a couple hundred subscribers and I cant get enough of your content. I never really took to Iracing.. but I have always LOVED RF2.. Sadly yes you are right, the online racing for it was appalling but with these recent improvements its really brought this game (along with your support) back int the spot light and now everyone can see just how damned good this simulator really is.. Stick with it my friend, the more RF2 content you can throw in this direction the happier I will be!

[@JallyTee]

I feel like I'm riding the same wave as you Dave. The excitement of weather changing and tire management makes it so enjoyable, the confidence RF2 gives me with how it drives is something iRacing could not give me after a year of driving it, maybe I'm just bad at driving. also how can RF2 BTCC cars compete so close with FWD and RWD but iRacing GT3 cars never seem to be balanced? loving your content, lets hope the BTCC racing stays popular!

[@HDGamesWalkthrough]

One talented guy on slowest bop car can beat another guy without talent but on faster bop car. What's the problem? iRating and ELO rating is full garbage, if it separate drivers. BOP is useless in this situation, what we already can see nowadays. They can't explain people, that there is someone is faster than you even on slower car, so, they create rating system. Full garbage. They steal racing passion, no real fighting, just a boring races. Everyone on his place....

[@HunterAMG]

@@HDGamesWalkthrough what an awful take lol

[@HDGamesWalkthrough]

@@HunterAMG time will tell....

[@JallyTee]

@@HDGamesWalkthrough iRating and ELO is important because it draws in the people that want to compete in a serious manner. I don't really care what my rating is as long as I get to race people that are passionate and at my skill level. BOP is very important too, if a car is overpowered then why would you drive anything else?

[@ExcamBarao]

LFM is doing an awesome job bringing an extra life to ACC/RF2 and gladly pushing iRacing to review some issues, which is good for us simracers. I believe LFM will go to AMS2 and RaceRoom very soon and then IRacing will be in trouble if they don’t change something. Let’s see how long this RF2/LFM hype is going to last for iRacers like you Dave lol

[@davecamyt]

If it continues to give me the same racing I'm currently getting, I'll be around for a while 😁

[@blaise8987]

You serve as a great source of information concerning sim racing. I'm presently an Iracing guy but knowing about other programs/ packages helps all of us. Good job

[@Laffsatyou]

Another thing that I don't really see talked about a lot is the lack of VOIP in other sims. One of my favorite things about iracing can sometimes be the radio chatter inside and after races.

[@aubreycolemanracing]

It's a scary thought when you look at how much money people spend on iRacing, when we now see it's completely possible to not have to spend that kind of crazy money. Great video Dave. Also you should try the Porsche Flat 6 mod, the ffb and the way these cars feel is amazing.

[@SlightlyMisunderstood]

RF2 is very good. Always been fantastic in the physics/ driving model. It’s just the UI and the lack of a single player mode. But yeah for sure the driving and feel is superb. The weather system and dynamic time of day also work very well.

[@carltonsmall682]

Great video. I've been feeling the same about iracing over the past few months and am also contemplating renewal. Really enjoying rfactor 2, just need to get vr visuals to a good place, but gameplay wise it's night and day compared to iracing.

[@alanluth6755]

The problem I have with iRacing and then the popular series is those community people polling and sending in the schedule, they always stick to the same old boring tracks. I don't want to race Spa and Monza every season, give me Philip Island, Mid-Ohio, Belle Isle just rotate all tracks more.

[@puremad1]

Great chat on what was and has been my goto driver since its release yonks ago, it was just brilliant, I loved it above all the other titles although it looks a bit different now since I last booted it up. Now everybody I played with has moved on to other titles without me cos I've been out of the seat for a while now as time has been a limiting factor for me to be able to race over the last couple of years at least BUT..as I'm "off work" recovering from a small op at the min, I've been filling my time here watching NEW people "like yourself" on racing videos to see what i've been missing and it's got me buzzin !! Im itching to dust the old wheel off and get some time on track whilst my hardwear still can "for now" at least hahaha. I do like racing offline as I've never been great at setups to compete in online races at the level I know I could achieve if I could master the bloody things as even if I touch 1 or 2 things its makes it worse not better so stock setups and offline racing was great for me and I could turn up or down the level to give me a great racing experience without blowing the field away, a bit like the results in your BTCC @ Oulton Park video "which was great to watch by the way" and it's nice to see an older fella like myself turning laps in race sims instead of all the young ones all over Utube. I Like that 👍. So as soon as Im able to heal enough to get set up and race on my old Potato PC I'll be turning some laps on this game for sure !! Great video Dave, New Sub here looking forward to seeing your other videos now and "hopefully" I'll see you on track. 👍

[@timmxy0]

There is also a rFactor 2 Demo Version on Steam if you want to try it

[@jasenburke4135]

Now if LFM would take off more in the US time zones. last night was 3 people, 2 people, etc. for Endurance/GTE.

[@channelvr1293]

I never got used to iRacing.....and tried for 2 years . rFactor2 has always been my base...because for me its the most realistic sim out there. But in VR automobilista is the one for me. The Northsleife in december early in the morning when the sun is going up and the fog lies over the track MAN its just jaw dropping AMAZING.

[@ultrapaiva]

I first tried RFactor 2 last week with a few rookie Alpine races on Palm Beach. I agree with everything you said, Dave. I’m using also CrewChief and Racelabs overlays, just like iRacing. Having fun so far and contemplating if I should buy the DLC or go the usual way of buying new content for iRacing’s new season.

[@wirmuessenhierraus]

Agree! Haven't done a race for month in iRacing. Waiting for rain forever now. Bit put off. Probably many people only stay, because the invested so much money. rF2 has really good FF...at least that's what made a big impression on me when I tried it waaaay back then. (also.. Isle on Man TT-track. Lacks detail but it's something else)

[@bigtires100]

Dave. Have you tried RF2 in VR? How does it compare to iracing? I'd love for you to do a comparison review between the two in VR if it's VR friendly.

[@ViktorJaneba]

it is pretty much ok. You have to toy with world scale when jumping over some cars. I would rank it "totally perfect" if it was not for one thing which I am unfortunately supersensitive to. Horizon lock. Even with the highest setting the horizon lock in rF2 is still not "locked enough" for me... need to accomodate to that everytime or I get slight nausea.

[@TheCth777]

What made you go back to iRacing? Viewer engagement or gameplay?

[@davecamyt]

Not too long after this video rf2 kinda died on LFM which meant no online races 🫤

[@DonHichot]

After playing AMS2 there is no going back to Rf2, thanks a lot Reiza! I rate the SinglePlayer mode: 1. AI a little weaker than rf2, but enough to have fun and interesting challenges 2. better optimization, faster loading 3. readable and clear UI 4. FFB close and very enjoyable 5. much more imersion, animated pits, audiovisual design 6. setting up the steering wheel and cockpit view is quick and trivial

[@craigbeesleyproperty]

I've owned rFactor 2 for about 6 years, played it once when I first downloaded it, didn't like it and never used it again, always used iRacing. This video alone made me just update it and jump on, 30 mins later messing with some key binds I'm in a race at practice session at Oulton park and blown away by the physics and driving, they're so good! And so much more fun than iRacing!! Certainly will be fine tuning this game and playing it a lot more.

[@bbogdanmircea]

Tried rF2 only with the free LFM races and it was totally rubbish. HUD is horrid to say the least, the menus are totally without any logic. I race only 1 or 2 series in iRacing and already have the content, makes no sense to me to buy content in rF2. But I hope that rF2 gets their act together and becomes a real competition for iRacing for Multiplayer. But IMHO LFM will also become a subscription soon enough. Thanks for the honest opinion Dave, I agree about everything you said.

[@bluein2red423]

Interesting video! You missed for me what is a showstopper in rF2 - VR visual quality and performance. It’s miles behind iRacing in this respect, and is the sole reason I don’t use it much (same reason I don’t use ACC or RRE much either).

[@davecamyt]

I must admit I've never tried it in vr. I should give it a whirl

[@virtual_GaRy]

Some demanding conditions like nurburgring with 50 cars online really takes a NASA pc to run well on low settings in VR, but VR should work halfway alright, it runs better for me than dirt rally 2 for example. The rF2 discord and forum have great advice on how to increase performance with ingame/config tweaks and using opencomposite to cut out WMR for example and do foveated rendering can also net a good fps boost. But for online racing Cpu is kind of crucial. Sadly it doesnt have stereoscopic mirrors like AC with CSP. Also it seems overlay rendering like simhub can cost a lot of performance, they really hammer the main physics thread

[@bluein2red423]

@@virtual_GaRy Correct, it does work halfway alright under less demanding conditions, but halfway alright is nowhere near good enough for me considering what I’ve spent on my sim hardware and software! Also, it still looks relatively poor in my opinion - shimmering edges which I really hate in VR. IRacing is much “smoother” looking in comparison.

[@Username_Invalid]

IRacing in VR is kinda crappy looking compared to AMS2 with a 2070super. IRacing does run good in VR but I think there is some optimization with shadows and and lighting that could put it up to AMS2 standards. Having said that, performance is most important and both IRacing amd AMS2 perform well.

[@StevenYanni]

Can you please share you settings for rF2 and setup on triple screens? It’s very complicated to get it set up properly. Also the FFB settings you have for the simucube 2 pro. That would be much appreciated

[@ClickerSnapper01]

Well all I can add is rF2 was not even on my radar until I seen your 1st post on it. But as mentioned b4 it has become my focal point for this winter. Like you I'm enjoying the experience. Hats off to LFM too. The team over there are really upping the game! I'm in the central US and daily races are running well with very few hiccups. Nice post as a lot of what you expressed I myself have also realized over the past few years involving the sims. Thanks Dave for expressing your thoughts! I like reading the other comments as well. CU all on track. After thought...I wonder if Julie will consider rF2?? 🤔Take care.

[@davecamyt]

I'll put it to her 😁

[@nickmartin2380]

Agree with everything youve said... personally spent a fair wack on iracing. but like you it just got samey to me..have had RF2 for a few years, and blew the dust off it when lfm announced..and i'm loving it..The FFB, car physics is the best out there from my point of view. And its nice to race door to door with others and not worry too much about netcode..which we all know is pretty dire in iracing.

[@azstratus1]

Dang Dave after watching this and watching your recent RF2 racing content, I am gonna have to jump back into RF2 and try LFM!

[@chrisr236]

Creating a multiplayer platform is technically trivial compared to making a good racing simulator, so there's no excuse for a bad multiplayer experience in any racing sim. Hire a few web developers, copy iRacing, done. Easy

[@demkon]

I've just started getting into LFM and rfactor 2 and there are atleast 2 rookie series that don't require any purchases other than base game.

[@khalidramadan8755]

Really agree with all the points made, felt I had the same impressions as well when trying it out. One massive plus point for LFM: early sign ups! The website makes it soooo convenient to just sign up to a bunch of races back-to-back (to-back-to-back...) ahead of time compared to iRacing. It's doable in iRacing but far more complicated than what it needs to be imo

[@littlerhino2006]

Glad more KZbinrs are taking a stand against the extortion operation iRacing has been running for years. Stating that you're willing to walk away from such a substantial investment into the company by not renewing says an awful lot about your feelings towards them. It really is sad that the community has propped them up for this long but change is better late than never, so glad to finally see some decent competition rising up.

[@hhistertheosis]

Is indeed baffling how they run this scheme for so long! I think it is a cult like thing almost.

[@leenxtgenracinghorne2513]

Interesting this vid you’ve made DC, I’m also a iracing user, well now I am, I started on Raceroom when I moved to PC in 2019 and was a heavy user of the Touring cars as this is my favourite type of car to race but my mate Jamie got me into iracing and thats where all my league and online racing remains to this day, however I keep wanting to try and also use RF2 and especially as they now have the BTCC. I have had a few small sessions on RF2 and thought it felt brilliant but as you’ve highlighted, not great to setup and until LFM was very poor online, but now things are different and after watching your vid think I am going to make some time and effort and get on there. Thanks for making this vid and all others you do. Lee - NXTGEN RACING

[@porsche-overtake-dude]

I played every sim, even Richard burns rally. Rfactor2 ist the the most underrated and for me personally the best. Automobilista1 is second place for me personally for pure driving experience. For those who didn't knew. Rfactor2 is based on the same engine, like ams1.

[@R3mix97]

I love videos like this that fairly compare different sims. As a NASCAR guy, iRacing is really the only option so I'm never really going anywhere. But it's still cool to see the options for the road guys.

[@erelster]

Well said Dave, can't agree more. I'd recommend being a Patreon for LFM to people who enjoy this so much lately. It's a free service but we must support it if we want it to improve and grow. Oh, one more thing. rF2 does do GT3, but around bloody Nordschelife, how about that :)

[@davecamyt]

If course, becoming a Patreon helps things keep ticking over. I'm proudly a supporter 😁

[@willpianista]

Same here. Loved iracing until I got bored with gt3. Tried to go back and is always the same thing . It's great if the cars you like has actually people to the regular stuff, otherwise forget it. Rf2 has the best feeling for me regarding not only handling but race dynamics , so yeah, it's where I want to be from time to time. Now with BTCC is a dream becoming true.

[@ph3tamine]

LFM has done great bringing in the multiplayer for RF2, now it just needs to get more popular during North American times, love your video's and the recent live streams!

[@cameronfaulkner4761]

How dead is it for North American times?

[@patrickdurka6188]

Hey dave, Just wanted to let you know how much i love watching your video! 🖤 I quit simracing 3 years ago, but i am building up my new setup right now, and should be ready to go soon. When i decided to get a new sim rig a few months ago i was sure that i will be using iracing again, because it was the most competitive platform back then. But watching the evolution of iracing and rfactor2 in the last months without playing them really made me curious if rfactor2 isnt the better online sim at the moment. Looks like they would finally fix the problems that rfactor2 had for some years, and the graphics and new content looks incredibly good now. While iracing still has no rain, weird tyres, gt3‘s with endless downforce and the famous lawnmower simulation haha

[@davecamyt]

Thank you Patrick 😁

[@Skysailer75]

Thanks Dave for the vid. I tried it the whole week as well and will jump into LFM on the rfactor2 site. Two things here: would you mind doing a vid with the triple screen setup on rf2 and maybe some information as where to go for some setups? If it makes sense…cheers from Germany 🙏

[@jedijon1228]

Dave you cracked it again, same as you I have not touched iRacing since the Spa 24 (which 3 of us came 2nd in our split) have recetly downloaded RF2, just need to invest some time in setting up correctly - have really enjoyed the LFM ACC racing so next is FR2 inline racing with LFM for me - have a great day buddy

[@jedijon1228]

Just reread my comment - I think I need another coffee - spelling is atoucheous 😂

[@stevehobbs5651]

Hey Dave, great video. I can absolutely relate to this. Why don’t you get a discussion going about Iracing. Do a shorts video asking people to comment with what small implementations they would like in Iracing to make it better. Then do a longer video to discuss the community’s idea’s . Iracing doesn’t need a massive overhaul, but with some small implementations it could be a lot better.

[@Daz5Daz]

I've tried to get into it but the constant issues I have with the game losing my wheel and pedal assignments and calibration (Fanatec DD Pro and CSL pedals + loadcell) mean I've walked away from the game once more sadly. I won't be buying any DLC of course until this game works properly for me. I'll try again in about a year and see if anything has changed.

[@virtual_GaRy]

Sounds like your game has issues with closing down properly, maybe your folder is write protected? Sometimes removing the userdata folder and requesting a new one from steam can also fix the issue. Then the configurations will be saved properly

[@Daz5Daz]

@@virtual_GaRy Cheers 👍. Yeah tried that. One key issue is that the problems are intermittent which makes troubleshooting very hard. And when everything else in my system works fine (iRacing, AMS2, Beam, PC2, AC & ACC) you run out of patience with the one game that doesn't. Hopefully there will be some more rF2 updates in the next year, so I've given up for 2022. I'll reinstall the game next year sometime and see if anything has improved. 🧑‍🔧

[@damienpetagirl3728]

Thanks Dave mate Ur brutal honesty is what will make me come back to watch Ur vids again & again

[@schmid1.079]

I've recently gotten into iRacing because my new Fanatec wheel had a free 3 month trail attached to it. Although I've been enjoying the online racing, the driving itself feels so floaty. Coming from AC and ACC, it's something I'm really struggling with and really don't enjoy. Thats just not how real cars feel. I'm really glad I found your video, because I likely won't invest anything into iRacing and rFactor2 seems like it could be right up my lane.

[@Captivateitmedia]

Great video Dave. And one thing I won’t be doing, as I prefer to put my hard earned money to things worthwhile, paying a “game” that requires subscriptions, no friggen way, especially the cost of vehicles and tracks.. that’s a hell no for me. But the other sims have me way over iracing due to as you mentioned …their lack of countless areas of interest that other sims have. I truly feel all sims should do what project cars 2 did…buy the game and sure the odd dlc for key upgrades, but it had all the tracks all the cars etc right out of the box… when I pay for something in life, I expect to open the product and use it immediately without any additional costs… so at least due to this vid and a few others from users, I know to stay away from iracing like the plague, as I want my money to go much further for me for what I buy. :). Thanks for the insights.

[@Manu68-Simracing]

I agree with the way you are explaining your position. I am personally currently a GT3 guy , more as for example a modern formula one guy. And maybe not like you, I like to race offline too, just to try different content on different tracks. BUT I purchased many many simulations since Grand prix legends, and I must say that i use them all after all these years. (I will purchase Automobilista 2 on steam Black friday) Of course I own Rfactor and Rfactor 2, and they are GREAT simulations. It is a very good thing that they can be raced online at LFM (even if I really think that something should be done rapidly regarding the wild behaviors on almost all races ACC) I just really hope that Rfactor 2 at LFM will be used not to compete ACC / GT3 . Rfactor as a HUGE versatility, and it should be used in that way. Classic cars , formula one 70's, old DTM, Formula ford, ....Everything except GT3 (just some races). I just can make a dream : Le mans at LFM, 60's formula one at Spa 1966 or Watkins glen 1967 , old DTM, porsche cup, .. There is just so many fantastic mod and content to be used . If we could have a dream, I wish LFM could bring back to live online racing with Grand Prix legends. And why not Netkar pro (which is fantastic and absolutely free)

[@irock5758]

Thanks Dave, I got into RF2 just after watching your content, with the idea of joining LFM, but unfortunately they don’t have races set for AUS/NZ time zone. Hopefully they’ll change this. Great content again. Thanks.

[@christopherweir9419]

Agree. Shame that there is very little online LFM for Aus/NZ racers. Hopefully if LFM put time slots up for us, they get populated. Nice vid DC.

[@rover1374]

This is good to know, thanks. I was getting worried I was missing out!

[@irock5758]

My apologies, I stand corrected I just went on LFM again an there are now races available at our time zone in NZ/AUS. I guess the only challenge now is to get them populated. Awesome!!😃👍🏻

[@inacionelsonful]

I'm also an iracing guy with many years of iracing, and this video of yours is 100% what I think, it's precisely my opinion since I haven't played iracing for a while, since I started playing Rfactor2 more seriously, and just like you already have rfactor2 for many years and never played it

[@luizarthurbrito]

One thing I like about your channel is you changing the main game as your interest changes. After iracing you did a bunch of acc, where you went on a rollercoaster journey of ups and downs, now rf2. Low fuel is a game changer for the community. Acc is alive because of it and rf2 is on my radar of purchases because of it.

[@davecamyt]

It's got to be fun. If you're not enjoying something try something else 😁

[@sevenbelow7]

Yeah I agree. I’ve also just jumped back onto rf2 and I’m also really surprised by how much I’m enjoying it. I also have had it in my steam library for many years but couldn’t stand the ui so never really played it. The set up is still not the best but an improvement since the refresh so I was able to get the game set up in vr this time way easier than when I’d tried before. The handling and ffb for me is the gold standard within sim racing. Sim racing is not about how amazing the sim looks (but it helps),it’s about how excited you are before,during and after a race. If rf2 was made more user friendly I honestly think it would take a huge chunk of people from the other 3 or 4 big hitters. For me also it’s all about online. Racing against other humans like in real life racing. The name of our hobby is SIM RACING,I think we sometimes forget we are trying to simulate the art of racing. Defo going deeper with rf2,so I hope the devs put some time into improving the parts that I’m sure they know needs updated . 👍🏻

[@AW27UK]

Totally agree with your assessment. The only car I enjoy driving in iRacing is the V8 Supercar, and I only get to do that every two weeks in a league. BTCC content downloaded and ready to try this Christmas period once my V8 season is finished.

[@WayWorthRacing]

I can’t see my self not having iRACING because I’m to heavily invested not have it or it would be 1000s wasted. I have recently tried ACC and you have inspired me to try RF2, I just love racing online and racing in general. Like others I want the best experience I can have, they all have their shortcomings but it is nice to have options depending on the type of racing you are looking to do, each sim does one class a little better than the other. Having an absolute blast on ACC right now , not because its the best sim ever but because its new and different to me but, like all things that will wear off, if only we had a sim where we never lost that feeling or eventually weren’t left yearning for more. Ill always be an iRACER but that doesn’t mean we have to stop searching for great racing elsewhere.

[@8-bitMosh]

I’ve tried a few different sims and I always come back to iRacing, I think it’s probably comfortability with iRacing more than anything after playing it for years, I quite liked ACC but the online just never really kept me interested, and iRacing offers the endurance events (don’t know if any other sims offer these I’m not gunna pretend that I’ve checked either so feel free anyone to let me know if other sims do) but iRacing will be remaining my choice for the time being, glad you’re enjoying RF2 though Dave! 😁

[@flat6speed]

Would love to watch you drive some prototypes on rF 2. Started playing it a couple of months ago and it's quickly become my go to sim. The LMP3 and LMP2 cars feel great -- especially the Ligiers. There's a comprehensive spreadsheet out there that ranks the quality of all of the available modded tracks and there's some really fantastic ones out there.

[@Simlife101]

@Price Donaldson Hi 👋 do you have a link to that spreadsheet ad I'm finding it really hard tone wise to find what's good and what isn't.

[@TobiwanKentobiSimracing]

Good on you, Dave! I re-engaged with simracing this year, and I dove in deep (and still am, I am currently investing a lot of money to upgrade my setup, because I love it so much). I think there is no such thing as "the best" or "the only valid" racing sim. Each one out there has it's ups and downs, strengths and lows. I for one am a ACC-guy, because although the content is narrow, it is exquisit in my opinion. I tried out iRacing, and while I understand it's value due it's longevity and I really think it is a great simulation programme, I don't like it's monetization model. I think it would be more customer-friendly, if they sold car packs instead of single cars for the same value as e.g. Kunos charges for DLC packs on ACC. And all this is on top of a monthly fee. I think that's only a bearable factor, if you just stick to iRacing... but aside that, Simracing all in all is expensive. And if I look back around 15 years ago, where I stepped away from racing games overall, because PCs where a pain in the ass in my opinion, hardware and software wise, I realized this stuff currently is at a point, where I can finally get out the experience that I always wanted. And I can afford this stuff now, back then I couldn't... and didn't want, because it was far more expensive and far more goofy, then today. Sure, a alluminum-profile-rig for around 500 bucks and the need for an additional 200-300 bucks for a seat is a lot of money... but such a rig was unthinkable 15-20 years ago, or lets say far more expensive. And the direct drive technology is just incredible, especially to me, because I am a professional Electronics Technician for Machines and Drive Technology (sounds fancy, ey 😂), so I know a thing or two about electrical motors. You know, I was always a person that is called "Gamer" these days - never liked this tag, but what can you do. But since I am older now (40 currently) I am of course more serious, more disciplined, less focussed on "entertainment", more passionate about my hobbies. And after I dropped racing games and sims more than a decade ago, I never really lost touch on that, and before that, racing was always a part of my "gaming routines". Now since most games - I'd say at least 95% of them - can't really do it for me anymore, I focus on very few ones and instead I fell in love with the most immersive sim racing experiences. Maybe VR can surpass that, I'm pretty sure Half-Life: Alyx is an awesome experience... but I tried out VR and I immediately disliked the stupid helmet thing and the feeling that I looked through diving goggles. For real, I own a triple screen setup now, and I am firmly of the opinion, that THIS is superior to VR. At least right now. I don't condemn VR, it simply doesn't do the cut for me in it's current state. So yeah, I hear you. I love your content and I love your passion for sim racing. Cheers, Dave!

[@davecamyt]

Thank you mate, appreciate it

[@harald2101]

thx for answering all our questions. as soon as i have a few days off i will try rf2 out!

[@malice930]

I have to get my skills up to play online. I've owned ACC, AC and rfactor2 for the last couple of years. I always thought ACC felt weird but I though it was just me. Pretty much just play AC and Rf2. rf2 just feels good.

[@rakoczyn]

You are not alone, mate. I'm feeling the same with ACC, I prefer original AC. And I've been jumping on and off to rf2 for a while. Now I've found a nice league that I race in, and it's fantastic!

[@racingismypassionDE]

I can truly see where you are coming from in terms of the comparison. The basic package is sometimes weird as it misses some details to the tracks. The things you can buy are lovely. And who does not enjoy a Donington Park Race in wet conditions. Let’s see what the future will bring. The new rF2 releases are truly promising. And competition among the simulators will only benefit us gamers and that is not a bad thing ;-)

[@gustavosaidler]

I am really enjoying it as well. Every race feels unique, like you said, and weather + tyre degradation is really motivating me to play with setups and adjust my driving style. I do hope the player base continues to increase and the issues you mention are addressed. See you on the track!

[@Willbrse]

I'm a rF2 racer and always focus on a single sim so what is happening in rF2 is nice to see for sure. That said, the guy who made this rF2 tire model has been working for iR for a couple years already. I'm guessing he is also part of the rain development since both things need to work together. This project should be close to release given the time he joined them. I expect next iR big update (rain and tire model) to be far superior to rF2 unless S397 decides to improve what they have, but they have many other issues to focus right now.

[@nickphillips8576]

Thanks Dave just signed up to LFM. Really struggle to fire up iRacing and you have summed it up perfectly why. Massive player of rF1 and occasionally touched rF2 but missed the online stuff as you say really makes the difference, spent many years at Race2Play with rf1. Looks like I have some content to buy....

[@vitorarbex]

Lots of Very good and true points in this vídeo, now that you Just need a singles car, and the track to Race. Just made me jump into It, and its awesome. Only issue i had was the crashing on track load. But once It Works its awesome. And looks good now in DX11. The New interface is good as well.

[@RobSpoel]

Thanks for the video Dave. I always feel drawn to trying rF2, but I’m so lost in the menus and settings and available mods and official content. Just driving a simple offline practice seems like a whole ordeal. I’m hoping that you maybe come out with a guide that walks us through that first 60mins of painful setup some day :)

[@MrHayze88]

michi hoyer videos will help that

[@balkntv]

appreciate getting some exposure on rf2 and new LFM servers. I am trying to race it as well but my stream hours are still quite too early so hard to get some participation. Cheers for getting the word out there.

[@dannymoffatsimracer]

Same for me, loving LFM now with both games. The frustration with iracing giving incident points from people hitting the back of you just killed the fun for me. On top of that I just got bored when the new season started so I haven’t touched it for weeks now. Keep up the good videos Dave.

[@jesper2129]

you know that if someone hitting you on lfm service does the same thing?

[@dannymoffatsimracer]

@@jesper2129 I know, but in iracing quite often the damage you receive is so huge you end up in the pits for the rest of the race, destroying your irating as well as safety rating.

[@hooligan6682]

Dave What a video !!! You’ve spoken for thousands of people i racing is stale and cost’s an arm and a leg

[@PedroReiis]

I understand all you've said and agree, do what you like, it's what this is about. I like to change sims from time to time, and raceroom online is fine, everydody seems to dislikes, but why? I find races all the time in ranked servers, in several series and tracks, it changes every two weeks.

[@davecamyt]

Most of the time when I'm on, the lobbies aren't that populated. Could be a time issue as I usually just race during the day

[@FabianWinkler]

Great Video Dave. In would be great, if you would make a setup guide for rFactor 2 and triple screens. Like an "All you need to start racing in rFactor 2 and LFM"

[@ducat7493]

michi hoyer make great guide for RF2

[@Manuel-9-]

When I got the CSL DD I tried to configure rf2 and I just got tired of trying. I had so many issues to set everything up, it took so long to load everything as well that trying to change things was horrible. I'm not sure if I want to give it another try, I see many streamers going to it, but it's true that when you just have a few hours a week to race, jumping on iRacing or ACC is easier.

[@racingsimaddicts7563]

Manuel, look up Dave's video for "I can't stop playing rFactor2! | LFM BTCC at Donington" and the conversation I had in there with "patrax23". Gave him some pointers for CSL DD and he got it going. (And yes it should be way easier). Warning, if you get it going, it's pure sim racing crack 😉.

[@nuztuz903]

@@racingsimaddicts7563 thats the problem with rf2. as a simulator it is arguably the best but as a game I would call it the worst. they need to fix so much outside of the racing

[@215Sugarfree]

I will say the same. My subscription is up for renewal on iracing and I don't think I will renew it for a while. Even before Rfactor 2 came on LFM I have been bored of iracing season after season of the same combos. The challenge of rfactor 2 with weather and having to take care of your tires changing the outcome of a race is so much fun and now having somewhere to race it all the time is a gift to me.

[@harrydodd2226]

Dave I have done the same thing, I left iracing at the beginning of this yr. and my subscription is up in Dec. I haven't tried iracing for a almost a yr. my problem was that I am not a winning driver but I do like to finish the race, I went for over a month and couldn't even finish because some would hit me or wreck someone else and they would hit, and I got tired of people cussing fussing, I tried serval time s to get iracing to do something or have leagues for older members, nothing!! so that was it, I,m done, was racing on there for 10 yrs. I'm racing on ACC, RaceRoom, and some Rfactor. Good Video Dave...

[@McNab1986]

Another problem with iracing subscription is if you lose interest and don't renew, the minute any spark of interest refires, you have to risk paying for a full month, when that first race you could get punted off lap 1 turn 1 n have the interest instantly killed. Cost ya £13 quid or whatever it is, just to do that

[@Rich-pj9wv]

Another big positive for rFACTOR thats not often mentioned is you dont need a powerful PC to run it. Very important for many people.

[@trevz1048]

Ok for aime reason I thought it was the opposite and you needed a beefy pc to run it

[@froreyfire]

I don't know. I tried on my relatively recent i5 CPU and ancient GTX 750 Ti GPU a few days ago, and found that races with AI were too slow to be really playable. Whereas I don't have any troubles with AC, ACC, AMS2, iRacing. But it may be the AI.

[@trevz1048]

@@froreyfire ok iv not bought it yet ill probably end up giving it a go soon though 👍

[@SaschiSpielt]

Honest words there Dave. I am following you a long time now and I value your words and oppinions. I got rF2 many many many years ago when still rf1 was going one well in Leagues back in the days. I really don´t remember when I got it. When it was announced I got the opportunity to get rF2 plus the Online license. Back then it wasn´t even available on Steam yet. Back in the days i´ve played it a little because I wanted Oval Racing going with my own League back then but rF1 was so active that a Stockcar Evolution Mod never made it to rF2 fully. Then I got my chance to migrate rF2 into Steam Content. Meanwhile I was an addicted iRacer since 2008 and never touched rF2 again. Now in 2022 and since @Studio 397 got Hands on rFactor2 with Marcel Offermans I always followed their progress many years. Then Low Fuel Motorsports kicked in and are now supporting rF2 as well and watching your Videos now with rF2 racing online with LfM definately considered me to get rF2 installed again. Still need the content though but am willing to pay for it. I want something new and rF2 online is the way to go for me now since as you say it got a bit stale on iRacing for me as well.

[@XJSimulations]

Dave, I said this months ago about how great RF2 is (but I’m just a little guy lol). I would tell everyone to place RF2, ACC and AMS2 on their Steam wishlist. There will be a sell in December and you can pick up all three of these incredible games on the cheap. You will not regret it.

[@stavvyy5456]

I too am not playing iracing would love to see a rfactor setup tutorial 😉 Great content as always Dave

[@StealthNoodles_]

Great vid! I'm waiting on LFM to get rF2 out of Beta before I invest more money into it, not renewing my iRacing this Black Friday sale. Def looking forward for what's to come.

[@kekke2000]

It's ok to burn out on a game after close to 3000 races. I have tried LFM + RF2 aswell and you're right, it is really good. But iRacing is still my go to, because everything is just there and ready. When LFM is entirely implemented in RF2 with schedule, store, stats etc right there in the main menu, I would probably jump in more often.

[@michaelklimpel3020]

Thank you Dav for your very detailed and honest opinion as to why you currently prefer RF2 to I-Racing. I love RF2, too, and I spent the most hours playing there by far. However, I must say that I-Racing does some things a little better than RF2. I would wish for the following points in RF2: - better visual damage model. - Introduction of the meatball flag for heavy vehicle damage - Better flagrule implementation in the AI -The AI Editor from I-Racing, where you can adjust your AI opponents as you like (one of the best features in I-Racing) Since many points are limited to the single player, it should be clear to everyone that I'm not an online racer like Dav. But that's my point so far.

[@herbieverstinks4468]

Thanks for the video! With all the DLCs available, where do you suggest I start?

[@HDGamesWalkthrough]

Simulator companies must read this and understand one easy thing. People love real life unpredictable feeling. If they create boring online races where everyone will run on it's place all race, they loose them. People are not monkeys, and some day they understand what is going on and just leave simracing. Because we are humans, we love real competitions with each other.

[@GMetzo]

" We are sick to death of GT3s , we are! " THANK YOU. I absolutely love and enjoy racing GT3s. However , it kinda gets sour when all everyone is racing is JUST GT3. I am having incredible amounts of fun with touring cars at the moment. I wish more people would stop clowning them for being FWD.

[@DanielCrinson]

yeah enjoying RF2 alongside ACC (my go to sim). Agree with you on the points around the HUD. Looking forward to seeing what they do in 2023

[@bigchungus3]

Racelab is available for RF2 now, which might help