iRacer Tries rFactor2 NASCAR For The First Time

[@swealer]

You know whats really missing here? "You've got wheel damage!"😂

[@DJYeeJay]

I heard that A LOT I thought I’d spare you guys 🤣

[@vMaxDaniel]

I'm starting to see what I'm missing to go faster... I'm not leaning enough on my chair when turning!! 😃

[@DJYeeJay]

I charge $19.99 for my leaning course

[@JamesSheldonUnofficial]

I always lean when my car is under steering like its going to help lol

[@ArturoDrives]

@@JamesSheldonUnofficial Lmao

[@MatheusBruno611]

@@JamesSheldonUnofficial me too lol

[@Bigglesworth_OWeezer]

DESK RACERS RISE UP!

[@garrycross]

Wheel turn is setup dependent. Throttle for rotation, again setup related. Most default setups are on the tight side. 2 years of racing setups make a big difference. Driving on throttle is key to getting these things around the track fast. You get to feel the rear end on the edge of breaking loose. It took me 6 months to get a full handle on the grip.

[@insertcoinracing1582]

Flat spotting is definitely a thing in RF2 and AMS. I used to run road leagues in both and you had to be super careful.

[@saulgalvan.]

for those asking the first "magic spin" was because he touched the white paint that in rf2 and in reality are sliddy asf.

[@f3rny_66]

80% of the skill in rfactor2 is configuring the game to work with your own setup, the more dispositives/screens the more buggy it gets

[@marshalldog2559]

I wanted to try the demo but could not get my wheel to work with the game. It's not like I have something weird, I have a CSL DD.

[@NPC-Gamer]

I recall on ASRX that this was exactly the same. If you didn't have calibrations a certain way depending on equipment, steering degree at a specific setting, and a few other odds and ends then it just felt like an entirely different game compared to having it all correct.

[@jonasclementdk]

Absolutely. So much hassle. But if you get it there, it's amazing IMO

[@jasonknights9640]

wasnt my experiencei set mine up in 10mins

[@Noskywyd]

​@@NPC-Gamer i couldn't get asrx and rfactor for the life of me dawg

[@NPC-Gamer]

I cut my sim racing teeth on the old ASRX sim, and I (think) it ran on the rfactor engine. But i could definitely be wrong about that. I do remember starting from the garage in practice like we see here. Neat touch.

[@Daveybird]

It did, pretty much cross compatible with rFactor 1.

[@cruisinwithcorey]

RF2 also has the repaved gateway so that could have been some of the gripped up feeling

[@valter_vava74]

As if there was any intention to make a fair judgement 😅

[@Gabrielxdxd4]

It is what you should expect of slicks tyres, the grip is snappy and if you go over the limit you start sliding really quick. Progressive slip is what you should notice on grooved tyres. If in iRacing is different is made out of setup or bad tyre slip angle physics.

[@Tacoplane91]

This man needs a real sim racing setup

[@DJYeeJay]

Nahhhhh

[@Slades_Garage]

No, desk gang forever

[@davidcologgi7397]

As a triple screen full rig user, no he doesn't. Fastest guys I know are on desks with a single 😆

[@danielsquillace5291]

Rfactor 2 is this crazy balance of heaven and hell. Sometimes when driving the physics feels incredible. I love to see the live tyre model in action and watching the tyre flex over the track surface and under load. And then you try to set up an ai race and the stock ai just can't get around the track without crashing. There's such a contrast between things that are awesome and things that are unbelievably jank. Heaven and hell.

[@LithFox]

For me, I learned Skip Barber in rF2 for iRacing back in the old NTMv4-5 days. My issue with rF2 is that it's bugs are worse. Getting it setup, getting it to be stable, and in little specifics (an old RF2 issue is the max lock method where you can turn the tires all the way to be fast. Not sure if it's still there) It's one of those sims I supported and even pushed early on and kinda led to me being more involved in the iRacing community after becoming disillusioned from it. Eg: a lot of folks go to iRacing, go to rF2 like "why does no one play this?!" Then after an amount of time go: "Oh. That's why." Some folks can put up with it, I can't myself. So I won't mock folks who like it, but I will mock folks who insist rF2 is superior...

[@garrycross]

You'll quickly cook the front tyres if you do that now in the Stockcars.

[@valter_vava74]

As a product/service, iRacing has no rival. But it ends there. Including on stockcars / oval racing. Just listed to what Harvick - who is unbound and free - said about iRacing last year or maybe a couple of years ago…

[@fingers68]

Yet another to discover arguably the best driving/racing sim currently available. IRacing has online competition but as for driving "sim physics" its way down the list.

[@GameDude41]

I did this exact thing about a year ago out of boredom lol. Dunno about Gateway but at Indy, the default setups for these cars were way too low and they'd spray sparks on the straights. Race Room also has really good FFB even on Logitech wheels, it's insane to me that RR doesn't get more love.

[@martin-hall-northern-soul]

DJ on other sims... never thought I'd live to see the day, haha. It's really interesting to hear your thoughts on RF2's Nascar physics.

[@jameshough9370]

so in the week between christmas and new years there was RF2 Nascar on oval at indy in the beginner series, the cars were very understeery but you had to brake and downshift and then just pin the throttle you could get the car sliding on entry and mid corner and was very fun (i did a 51.0 in a quali and was P2 on the leaderboard guy in P1 was hacking with a 50.5 it is believed)

[@buddhapest]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who leans into turns

[@Rollingzoku89]

Rfactor 2 oval racing is very fun in my opinion. Needs more attention.

[@DJYeeJay]

I’d be super down to run especially gateway races online in rf2

[@Rollingzoku89]

@@DJYeeJay If and when you decide to do that, I'd love to join a community event.

[@HeyItsEmilyLove]

I have RFactor2 and didn’t even realize it had oval racing or nascar. I love nascar on iRacing. Maybe I’ll have to give it a try

[@LithFox]

As much as I don't like rF2 myself, I do always recommend people give it and everything about it a try. :) Nothing wrong with finding something enjoyable in something else, imo. Plus it can help you figure out what you want out of the sims you normally play!

[@Myrvold]

"Cup", "xFinity" and Trucks (latter being a free mod, and not free official content, but physics were made by the same guy who helped on the official content) :)

[@TeamAbrams]

I just bought this because they have a laser scanned version of Portland - it was pretty good. I also tried a LIDAR version of Watkins Glen that was mostly okay and a fan made version of Sonoma that was just plain bad. The stock cars feel good but I agree that they are a bit too gripped up until they aren't. Ironically many people used to say this (and some still do) about iRacing but I think iRacing has gotten significantly better with this over time. I was 4 to 5 seconds faster than the real track records on both tracks in RF2 after 5-10 laps. I did not notice any tire falloff on RF2 but that may be because of settings, I'm not familiar enough with the game to make that judgment. The force feedback on RF2 beats iRacing's IMO, it's very smooth and intuitive.

[@King1614]

This was actually pretty good. However, loose cars still had a ton of grip. But get some buddies at the homestead copycat and it’s an absolute blast!! The AI is terrible “It feels like it’s more in the track than iRacing” That’s because they modeled car with a rubber tire on the RR. I think iRacing models a plastic power wheels tire on the RR of the oval cars

[@CrivitzChris]

​Echoing what @Myrvold said about the track rubber. I was thinking of that and the number of laps ran to warm up the tires. rF2 has an "LCD Mode" button which changes the black box. There is a tire temp screen there. I think a lot of the grip issues might have been with tires too cold or too hot. I seem to remember it taking several laps for the tire to fully warm up for the stock cars. It's been years since I've driven them. But I do remember a massive difference between cold temps and things being up to temp.

[@KVoegs]

You looking scrumptious in that sweater ❤

[@DJYeeJay]

Me when I finish work and don’t feel like changing

[@Joemamahahahaha821]

Forbidden knowledge

[@Myrvold]

Reg. rF2. I am curious to what kind of rubbering in you used, and how fast it changed. If you start on a green track with fast rubbering, you can rubber in whatever groove you feel like, and outside will be more slippery. The grip might be a bit excessive on ovals (never done an oval IRL), but I remember when doing some road course racing in real life, I was surprised about how much grip there actually was, which made the fully rubbered in rF2 tracks make a bit more sense.

[@DJYeeJay]

Since I couldn’t get Ai to work I was only able to do single car for like 30ish total laps over a session and honestly I didn’t feel much change in the track so I probably needed more cars. Also I have no idea what is and isn’t realistic for oval racing since I’ve never raced irl so I could really only go off of what I found fun to wheel

[@Myrvold]

@@DJYeeJay If you set it (look, I am talking like you are going to spend a lot of time testing out rF2 features... heh :P), but if you set it to x15 (I think that is the most), the track rubbers in 15 times quicker. So one car for one lap = 15 cars for one lap (or one car for 15 laps). That should make a difference. I remember testing it back when rF2 was released 12 years ago (Yes Sir, early Jan 2012!), and while the AI took the inside line on the oval, I decided to do my whole race up against the wall, and it created two grooves, with a dirty section between them. Kinda cool back then.

[@frederiquerijsdijk]

Would the setup not be very important here? Sounds like the rf2 cars were more understeered setup?

[@DJYeeJay]

Yeah maybe but I used the developer made track specific setups for each combo so it should at least be a good comparison for a typical experience

[@KingtmacXX92]

What type of racing gear do you have? I just bought the Logitech G29 over the holidays while it was on sale. Overall im really happy with it for $199.99 brand new, but i wish i had a better set of pedals. Are you able to use the Logitech G29 wheel base with a different brand of pedals on PC?? Thanks in advance, sorry if this is a stupid question i'm new to iracing! Love the channel!

[@DJYeeJay]

I have a Logitech g920 wheel and Fanatec v3 pedals I’d highly recommend upgrading the either pedals first or both

[@Hexadeci]

DJ, it’s hard to take this at face value on a Logitech. There’s a tremendous difference at least on iRacing. As a road guy, I really couldn’t appreciate downforce and understeer “feel” until I moved from g923 to VRS. Can we crowdsource the upgrade or something? What’s holding you back?

[@DJYeeJay]

I never felt like ovals needed fancy force feedback. Road I will 100% agree on the need for DD though. Definitely don’t crowdsource a wheel for me haha I make too much money off you guys already. What’s holding me back from building a real rig is mostly just laziness and being content with what I have

[@drewharman1690]

There is nothing out there that comes close to iracing at the moment! The 1 thing that iracing needs to fix badly is there tire model on oval! The tires are way to sensitive and this stuff in the sim of using 14:1 16:1 nobody’s uses those steering boxes nowadays in NASCAR! Pretty much 6:1 on up to 12:1! Hopefully with bringing dynamic tracks back they are in the right direction of improving the tire model! Also from what I’ve heard in the garage area from xfinity drivers is that they need to work on there front end suspension the way it feels in the xfinity cars!

[@Jt7166]

Oval racing feels pretty good in rf2. But unless you find a league all you can really do is hot lap. The rf2 AI are atrocious on ovals 😂. Also you nailed it rf2 you don’t turn the car nearly as much with the pedals. If you want to slide the rear you basically have to turn too much into the corner and get on the throttle pretty hard to get that roration on exit.

[@TChapman500Gaming]

I think rFactor2 uses Steering Lock rather than Steering Ratio. Steering lock is how much the front wheels steer at maximum input. Steering ratio is how much you have to turn the wheel per degree of front wheel steering. Also, you should be able to adjust the visual of the steering wheel in one of the settings screens to make the in-game wheel match your actual wheel.

[@DJYeeJay]

The setup screen had steering ratio for these specific cars so maybe it’s different for different cars

[@TChapman500Gaming]

@@DJYeeJay Oh. I guess I'm just used to rFactor 1's Steering Lock.

[@danipedrosa3956]

@DJYeeJay I think the steering ratio for the Nascar is 1018*

[@emilyespey6995]

Justin are you using paddle shifters, because I got a 6 speed stick for iracing on Christmas and the stick is so much more fun than paddles.

[@DJYeeJay]

The main reason I don’t get a shifter is because I don’t have a ton of room on my desk for it haha

[@DrowsyGamer]

You're not missing anything with Rfactor 2 especially the Nascar stuff. If you like Nintendo 64 like graphics, not a full Nascar track list even with steam workshop, tracks that never get updated or created to the newer versions of themselves, a multiplayer experience that will freeze your screen and teleport you from 2nd place to last place and when your screen comes back unfrozen you come back spinning, then go right ahead and throw your money away on Rfactor 2. They're still running the older version of Atlanta and a older cup car with the 4 gears.

[@garrycross]

It can snap if you're a little low off turn 4.

[@dcaseng]

4:30 hurt me to my core.

[@unotoli]

what seems to be a problem?

[@dcaseng]

@@unotoli Giving money to Motorsport Games..😬

[@SeanCampbell_iRacing]

Thing with rf2 is you gotta rip the wheel to get the rotation in early, it’s a strange sensation

[@1xRacer]

I've never done an oval race, I've never watched an oval race, I have no interest in oval racing but I love your channel and videos! Thx for another fun upload

[@DJYeeJay]

I appreciate man! I try to keep either fun, interesting, or hopefully both

[@mizatthekizat8894]

You should compare nr03 daytona drafting vs. iracing.

[@AgtWashingtub]

I always like the desk racer sounds.

[@valter_vava74]

It’s far easier than people make it to be. It’s just that the bad will is so strong that it’s always simpler to tag along the criticism.

[@NeedsLessWedge]

Do you have your specs of your machine? I want to compare and see how much more i need to run it? I havent raced since rfactor1 days. Never in iRacing

[@DJYeeJay]

Iracing you can run on low graphics with a not too powerful machine, I think the iracing site has recommended specs on it

[@zanetti20]

Thats interesting

[@Nick_Kearney]

As someone that bought most of the content for rFactor 2 in recent months because of sales and the online community, I want Studio 397, rFactor 2 and the upcoming Le Mans Ultimate to survive as 397 are making some cool, if not 100% accurate stuff. But I'll be so glad when MSG are gone. Maybe iRacing can buy 397 at a MSG fire sale. lol

[@whac1c]

Feel the opposite about iRacing/rF2. Feel like I have a better idea of where the car is going to break traction in RF2 than iRacing. iRacing it's just finding that limit and once you're there never ever go over it, in rF2 you can hit that limit and go over it a little bit to go faster. tl;dr RF2 more forgiving on the edge, iRacing less so. Slip angle = good

[@Daveybird]

rFactor (1 and 2) Oval AI can be really good. The reason many people hate it is because, like just about everything else, you have to set it up just right, and whenever you get close, you're burnt out. Plus, there's different settings depending on which mod/car/track. It's a frustrating end-user experience, but trust me, it's worth it. Coming from a Dirt Oval, NASCAR, and IndyCar fan and modder.

[@p.a.16motorsport27]

I’m a big fan of Rfactor2, but Iracing oval racing physics is better

[@CouchSlouch-]

Rfactor2 would be a good game if you didn’t need a computer science degree to get it working properly. I’ve spent the same amount of time configuring the game, as I have racing on the game.

[@KrasnyMajak-he8xh]

could you try out nr2003 and compare it to these two? many still consider it to be the best nascar sim + it's completely free

[@DavidHoskins]

The thing that threw you off in the corners was probably the fact that RFactor 2 cars all pivot around a fixed spot. That's why people refer to RFactor 2 as the merrie-go-round simulator.

[@toobrafter]

Cool

[@layingblacklines]

I think there's definitely a period of adjustment. Your comments about turning the car on the wheel vs the pedals sounds like me on my first hour back on rF2 after a long while on iRacing. Whether right or wrong, you need to be more aggressive in rF2. If you look at your lap in iRacing you're on the limit. On rF2 you're under the limit. You only had the rear come round on the brakes once and weren't even getting into understeer with the wheel. The slip-grip behaviour is also very different isn't it. Like in iRacing I can hold the wheel and throttle and slide round an entire corner. In rFactor it might snap out and my heart jumps into my mouth as I catch it. If that happens a couple times a corner it can give you a heart attack as an iRacer. But as you spend more time in the sim you learn to control it. Then go back to iRacing like a superhero on cheat codes. I find a similar thing with trail braking in ACC. I'm crap after not playing it for a while and when I get that smoothness back I feel better on iRacing.

[@layingblacklines]

Also, elephant in the room here is that you can get an ARCA race every hour in iRacing. Online races for ovals in rFactor 2 are very rare. Like maybe a week or two every season. Though hopefully if more people are aware that you can even do ovals in rF2 it might lead to more online races.

[@DJYeeJay]

Forgot to say in the vid but the limit in rf2 when I reached just felt like I was murdering tires compared to iracing which is why my first reaction was to stay close but under the limit. It very well could’ve been fine on tires but the iracing instincts told me if I drove like that it wouldn’t work so very interesting

[@layingblacklines]

@@DJYeeJay Ah ok yeah then it sounds like if you did murder them then you'd only last a couple laps before you started to see them drop off a lot. You can drive on the limit a bit more in rFactor though. They're sort of converging actually. Like look at the high downforce cup car at the end and how you're driving it in iRacing. That's not how we used to think of driving under the limit in iRacing.

[@StartAndParkProductions]

Bro u really just said “NASCARs” as a noun cmon homie 😂

[@SquiggyWigginz]

However I did notice rfactor2 had MUCH better graphics than iracing, which is odd to me.

[@DJYeeJay]

Might be my iracing graphics settings too I don’t really make a huge effort to optimize it for my system

[@RacingWithChuck27]

RF2 has better ffb, physics, tire model. Irqcing has a lack of yaw, and once over that limited yaw, the ability to save it is much harder then rf2 or rl. Road racing is where rf2 shines more imo. Iracing I’ve never liked the nascar stuff, trucks and ok and I was a loyal papyrus supporter through all the titles. Imo, IRacing’s stuff you’re more on top of the track, not as connected, and let’s not even start about the netcode 🤷‍♂️

[@rshackelford4445]

Rfactor 2 didn't like that I was using a thrustmaster anything. Every time I would save my control inputs after setting them up it would act I did nothing. I would even click load controls to load my settings and nothing would be there.

[@Spinelli__]

Regarding your comment at 3:50 about not getting much rotation from the throttle & brake in RF2. I think you may not be pushing hard enough - not getting close enough to the limits -because in RF2 as well as in RF1 and RF1-based games it's actually ridiculous and wayyyyyy over-exaggerated how you can go around corners with like "2 degrees" of steering lock by doing this weird "brake-drag" technique which acts like a super-duper over-exaggerated trail braking effect where it just makes the car turn sharper and sharper as it an invisible hand grabs the front-end and pulls it sharper and sharper into the corner. It's incredibly unrealistic and completely unnatural. I remember I was leading a pack of 20 cars at Indy in the RF2 stock cars and I was barely turning the steering wheel to get around corners - it was as if I was driving a kart, it was completely ridiculous. Worse still, I had my car setup with an even slower steering rack (ie. steering ratio) than default so I should have had to use even more steering lock than normal. This has been in the ISI physics engine going back to even before RF1 with games like F1 Ch 99-02, etc. If you become familiar & comfortable with the physics engine, you'll probably notice it - and possibly notice how to use it to your advantage. It could just be because it's still all so new to you ATM.

[@VitorShadowSouza]

RF2 oval experience is garbage at best, an Nascar Ignition with *less* glitches.. -The AI is clueless. -The rFactor engine has a flaw very little talked about: It poorly simulates weight trasfer, every car, don't matter how heavy it is, barely transfers weight, this is why you couldn't use the pedals to turn. -The game also is awful in simulate car to car colisions, is nearly impossible to spin another car if both are more or less at the same speed, you can easily find videos from online leagues where people is just ramming each other and no one lose any grip. At Superspeedway it becomes even more ridiculous, because the only way to make bump draft work is literally ram the car ahead like no tomorrow and the game accepts it. The pack getting and losing momentum also is a nonexistent thing. And those are problems around since the early ISI (rfactor engine original creators) games back in the late 90s.

[@Myrvold]

-The game also is awful in simulate car to car colisions, is nearly impossible to spin another car if both are more or less at the same speed, you can easily find videos from online leagues where people is just ramming each other and no one lose any grip. At Superspeedway it becomes even more ridiculous, because the only way to make bump draft work is literally ram the car ahead like no tomorrow and the game accepts it. The pack getting and losing momentum also is a nonexistent thing. Have to disagree. We did a "Daytona 250" at RaceDepartment last year, and people got spun out by overaggressive bumpdrafting (you can even see a livestream of it, so I am not making it up). When we got to do it properly, I locked up with another driver, kept co-operating and bumpdrafting him. We went from 9 and 10 to 1st and 2nd, and there was no ramming involved at all.

[@4_14_fan]

It's a shame motorsport games pretty much killed r factors future, the game has an incredible tire model but it seems like it's just gonna go to waste now

[@RacingWithChuck27]

MSG and rf2 are the same but not. They’ve got LMU coming out February 22nd. Motor sports network the parent company isn’t going to let S397 sink with the failure of the indycar console. With all that said, rf2 isn’t an easy plug n play, painting a car there’s many steps loading in game which is a pita. The Ui has its quirks but when it comes to apexes & exits, the experience and feel is the best, imo.

[@dathyr1]

Well I do have the Oval tracks on both my RFactor 2 game and Assetto Corsa game and have had the tracks for quite a while - and I enjoy RFactor 2 allot. Tracks are similar to IRacing and are fun to race on in RFactor 2. I do both Nascar and Indycar series in RFactor 2. I also have most of the Road/Street tracks. RFactor 2 game is better because it has formation/rolling starts feature. Assetto Corsa game does not. The Indy segment - you hit the grass in turn 2, you are going to slide in RF 2 If you stayed on the track no problem. Well each game is going to be different - you are too picky and comparing Applets to Oranges. You have to get used to the physics differences. There are even differences between Assetto Corsa and RF 2. I will never do IRacing online because of subscription fees and cost of Content. I don't have the dedicated time to get my moneys worth doing IRacing. You can keep your IRacing, not for me.

[@jasonknights9640]

a lot of comments about handling nascars how many have actually raced them to tell 😂

[@kuaidiandenglu]

just wish one day iracing can buy rfactor2 from MSG😂MSG and s397 seems unable to make it better further more

[@Khosumi]

I cant stand rf2. Its just setting up and setting up and setting up. It's the furthest thing of pickup and play, the whole user experience feels terrible, it doesn't matter to me how the physics feel if I have to spend more time getting the sim running than tuning my car

[@RCSimRacin]

Rfactor2 incredibly cheaper than Iracing.. FFB is SOOO much better in Rfactor2.. other than that though. I think Iracing wins... but not by too much. Iracing better get with the program! Competition is coming!

[@SokkaRocks8]

You could have downloaded a free mod instead of gateway

[@rynosraceroom66]

Dude , I wld honestly play more rF2 but that Fu$%in ui , Jesus its so bad !

[@Rickk69er]

its owed by motorsports games an they screwed up nascar ignition so ya f them

[@homestar2112]

I have 730 hours in RF2 Physics and FFB 👍 AI 👎

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

I think iRacing is more accurate.

[@f1_onboardsAC]

Way more in this case

[@PazLeBon]

it sucks basically but wont have many using it sooo..

[@Jellybeantiger]

The ai is absolutely terrible in RF2.