Ant Man 3: Quantumania - Absolute Garbage

[@SOULFORESAKER]

Stark dies and suddenly every arrogant kid is beyond human intelligence? Edit: Mr.Fantastic should have been shown in a grand intellectual way instead.

[@Nocturnalights]

Seriously !

[@eduardoortega4242]

Arrogant female*

[@thedarkestfateful]

Yeah at least one movie always has to have a freakin’ kid genius. Tony Stark having an exceptional IQ, making an Iron Man suit out of resources in a cave and designing unique tech doesn’t seem so special now if the Riri kid can do it in her basement too.

[@MikeCG19]

@@thedarkestfateful have you read the marvel comics or are you just upset for no reason like the rest of the man children that are upset due to Disney?

[@Booglegirl0602]

​@@MikeCG19From what I've seen, it's dumb in the comics, too, so what's your point?

[@CursedQual]

Janet not saying anything about Kang is like if Banner didn't say anything about Thanos when he was send to earth

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Good point!

[@nont18411]

Well, unlike Janet, Banner always hold himself accountable. That's why he is a hero while Janet (at least in the MCU) is not.

[@dannypalin9583]

Holy fuck, can you imagine the reason Thanos won was because Banner was so traumatised that the Hulk lost to him, Banner refused to talk about it?

[@LifesASong00]

I mean is it? Didn't she think he was pretty much trapped there? As far as she knew it was impossible to ever leave

[@ridgenyan-botxv367]

@@LifesASong00 Even with that in mind she didn't tell anyone anything about the threat Kang posed or why she disliked talking about the Quantum Realm. Remember that it has been years since Ant-Man & The Wasp and yet she kept deflecting any conversation about the Quantum Realm. She does that knowing her family has had previous interest and experience in its study. She has no reason to keep her knowledge of Kang to herself. She would need to be delusional or just plain stupid to not tell them. And, he's not "trapped" in the Quantum Realm, the Quantum Realm is trapped with him. She knowingly ignored that he would threaten the Quantum Realm for years. So not only is she made to be an idiot in this movie, she doesn't even have the moral fiber to want to help people who were helping her for 30+ years. They were a complete afterthought to her.

[@jeremyhagen7684]

WW 2 veterans fought against the Nazis and are considered heroes (as they should) 50-70 years later. Scott saves the universe and his daughter is like, “Yeah, that’s great, but what have you done lately???”

[@JarmamStuff]

She talks to her father like Krusty talks to Bart when asking what Bart has done for him recently

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

*"so you saved quadrillions of lives, OMG dad that was like 6 months ago, what have you done for black people since that?"* Did you hear about the nazi hunter in Europe who complained about losing his country to migrants, only to be labelled a nazi by social media....

[@0N0B_0]

Its fucking ant man.

[@marlom7882]

Scott: … you ungrateful little shit

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Yeah you just saved the whole universe and trillions of lives of worlds untold distances away from earth besides our WHOLE planet...no big deal though because you didn't harass some cops like me

[@Flaris]

The most awful thing here is Cassie's character assassination. The previous Ant-Man movies weren't any special, but they were solid. Cassie was a good kid that absolutely idolized her father. Time passed with "the blip" but she should be cheering for him louder than anyone on the planet.

[@Peeps7468]

She was wildly unlikable in the new movie. Was this the filmmaker’s goal, or do the filmmakers not understand how to make likeable characters anymore!?

[@Maladjester]

Cassie is insufferable, but that's not what really got to me. It's that the entire goddamned universe distorts to allow for it. Hank used to be incredibly (and justifiably) paranoid about the shrink tech getting out, but he blithely hands Cassie a suit and enough Pym particles to steal a cop car, because girl power. Cassie can take out multiple doom troopers with no training or experience, because girl power. Scott doesn't want Cassie to become a criminal like he was, because he knows where that path ends, but everyone tells him Cassie is right and he is wrong and the answer to this problem is for him to shut the fuck up, because consequences don't exist when you've got girl power. Scott is humble and easygoing and just wants a simple life with his family, but he's presented as narcissistic, cowardly, and an absent father, because no man can be good in the world of girl power. Hank had decades to invent the quantum telescope with all his knowledge, but Cassie knocks it out in a couple weeks with no formal study, because girl power. And on, and on, and on.

[@jacquelineking5783]

I could work with she is an annoying teen, I am sure we all had our less than graceful teen moments, if the film would have focused on her and Scott working on issues. Maybe Scott not quite sure how to take Cassie after missing so much of her life and Cassie feeling I don't know annoyance because Scott is having trouble reconciling her now and her when she was a kid and how she would have changed to some degree. Throw in that she wants to a hero like Scott and the Pyms but Scott not wanting it. You can have some villian thrown in but the conflict is small scale and local and the important bit is the family conflict. Hell there could be a parallel story going with Janet and her family. I am not claiming it is a great premise but people who supposedly are creative could probably do something with the story even if it wouldn't be original.

[@Maladjester]

@@jacquelineking5783 The estranged parent who wants back into a child's life is a valid trope that often gets used to great effect. Too bad the "writer" is a self-hating man who doesn't understand anything about people and was literally writing the script as the movie was being made.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

There are many good scenes in the disaster-piece that is Endgame; one of them is the scene where Scott Lang, after realizing what has happened, searches the monuments of the Blip victims to check to see if Cassie is among them, is relieved she is not, and then goes and finds her. Their reunion is a small, but really well crafted little story in the overall plot, and it's mind-boggling that they managed to botch that so hard, so fast after that movie ended. Dude literally spent his whole life doing everything he could to provide for his family. Turned to a life of crime when times got tough. Still went out of his way to see his daughter, provide for her, and take care of her every opportunity she got, even when her mom started seeing another guy. Dude literally saved the world, became independently wealthy enough that he could effectively retire. Now he spends basically all of his time with his family, except for when he goes on book tours to give inspiring speeches to young, impressionable audiences, telling them that anyone can be a hero and there's always "more room to grow". Scott Lang is the nicest, most wholesome dude in this whole universe, and the vicious, undeserved attacks on his character throughout the movie, especially its first act, are one of the most frustrating things I've ever experienced within a narrative.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

You forgot that Tony Stark went to the most expensive schools and was born to genius parents and still had to attend MIT before becoming a weapons manufacturer

[@summertyme5748]

Well, teen age girls only need *plot* - so there. What’s really happening in MCU’s increasingly fked up landscape is agenda to create Young Avengers. But they don’t have distinct characters - so the same sassy girl who is a genius who has powers, keeps turning up in every film as the McGuffin no one wanted. Even Wakanda Forever which is the *best* of these after phase 3 films - suffered from this with the Riri character.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@summertyme5748 A.)I didn't think Wakanda forever was the best by far B.)God her character was JUST AWFUL...shes my second least favorite character just because the whole thing was so contrived and silly... just all the negative words...and the girl couldn't act either...She Hulk was my least favorite for obvious reasons but Tatiana can at least act unlike the girl who played RiRi...so many kid geniuses now,that are so prolific they don't even need a lab or schooling of any sort ..theyre building perfect machines in their garage with radio shack parts with barely any formal education...just dumb AF

[@summertyme5748]

@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu Ramonda, Shuri and Namor were excellent. But you’re right about RiRi , she is potential disaster at the She Hulk level.

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@summertyme5748 Ramonda was awesome and the actress should have won the Oscar...Namor was ridiculous but that dude was an excellent actor, Shuri was okay but that actress doesn't have enough charisma or weight to carry a movie as a main character and had Ramonda had most of the lines the movie might have been better...but Namors plans and lines were pretty dumb..lemme attack you so you join my side? Huh? But yeah Leticia Wright was fine...the whole thing felt like a Disney plus show which isn't great considering the Disney plus shows feel like scripts that didn't warrant a movie and yeah maybe just the whole RiRi fetch quest took me out of the movie because it was like watching a commercial for a bad Disney plus show crammed into a really serious Chadwick Boseman memorial

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

@@summertyme5748 Yeah they're trying to Speedrun to the young avengers in the old avengers movies and TV shows like Ant-Man, Black Panther etc without ever or even trying to develop their characters so if they released a young avengers story now nobody would care because some of these characters have never been really fleshed out and even the ones who have were in bad movies or shows or where the parts of those projects that people didn't like. The actress who played RiRi did a bad job but maybe if they had just waited and introduced her in her own show without cramming her into a black panther story she might have been great who knows. Especially with better dialogue and story. I mean Natasha's sister, Elana, Florence Pugh was EXCELLENT but the Black Widow movie was so bad and forgettable that I don't care if I ever see her again in Marvel, honestly

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

Ant Man 1 not only looks better than this film, but the writing was actually a lot better than I remember honestly. It stayed true to the characters on how they act in the comics, and tried to be a small scale film while still being grand in a way.

[@silverprimus321boi9]

Give the writing credit to Edgar Wright. He was the original director, but got kicked out due to differences with creatives, but he got writing credits for the film. I really wish he got ant man as his character

[@ルクミ-w8m]

I will protect Ant-Man 1 with my life. I understand people who like Ant-Man 2. I can't quite get over how thoughtless the MCU has become after watching pirated Ant-Man 3.

[@lucky6961]

the 1st movie is infinitely better, ot shows how difficult it's for people with criminal society be accepted resulting in them easily going back to the crime life, humanizes criminals, even if you have already commited mistakes you can still do something greater, and that family can value to you more than your own life while this one had "don't be a dick"

[@jayw3512]

That’s because Edgar Wright understood the character and Jeff Loveness is clueless when it comes to Antman and / or comic character in general. Same with She-Hulk writers - they knew nothing about the comics. Should it always match comics? Of course not. But, there’s years of plots and dialogue to take from it.

[@vincehenriquez680]

​@@silverprimus321boi9 Also they used a lot of Edgar's people in that first one his longtime DP Russell Carpenter shot the first one and they went off his original script and there was a lot of notes/ideas from Wright they used in the first one that's why it's so good. The more control Peyton Reed got as they went along the worst they got. I'd argue Jon Watts and Reed are probably the least talented directors Marvel has worked with. Tho I'd put Cate Shortland and Boden/Fleck on that list as well.

[@Not_Soundwave]

I still can't believe modok's redemption trigger was "don't be a dick."

[@daviouscram2101]

Which is nonsensical because choosing a side is considered being a dick to someone. "Not being a dick is impossible." You either going to help someone or no one which leads to either one side or all sides think you're a prick for helping the enemy or not helping at all.

[@boogie8618]

​@@daviouscram2101I think you're reading too much into it. The guy was helping a guy that kills entire universes. I think it's pretty clear who the dick is lol

[@daviouscram2101]

@@boogie8618 Think you're not reading enough in it. Morality isn't innate, it's learned. For all he or we could know was those entire realities could be filled with a bunch of evil people. ( which considering how laws of the bullshitverse work is entirely possible.) My claim was that the issue with "Don't be a dick" is that it isn't telling you to be a moral individual. It's just saying don't be a threat to me/ an obstacle in my way. For example God is being a dick from Satan's perspective by not allowing him to kill everyone.

[@boogie8618]

@@daviouscram2101 Yeah but he was trying to kill them. They weren't trying to kill anybody. It's clear who the dick in this is. So it's not nonsensical. Your just reading to much into it lol

[@boogie8618]

@@daviouscram2101 Also being a dick isn't the same as being a threat or an obstacle. Ant family might if been a threat/obstacle to Kang's genocidal plans but they weren't being dicks. What a dickish thing to try to save universes from extermination lol

[@cherrynoodles5516]

it’s like the two cassie’s are completely separate characters. they have literally nothing in common with each other except their hair colour and parentage. her personality has done a complete 180. i have no idea why they decided the change cassie from being sweet and loving with her family but strong in the face of danger, to someone who is egotistical, unlikable, and disrespectful to her own father. I also just feel so sad for actress who played the original Cassie, as she was led to believe that she would be the one playing Cassie in all future movies and if i remember right i’m sure she said she had even been for a fitting for her proper superhero costume. but instead she’s dropped completely from marvel for no reason and only finds out when she sees marvel’s announcement of the new Cassie on her twitter feed. shame on marvel for treating their actors like shit

[@melissa6912]

It's because Hollywood loves overusing the "angsty/edgy teenager who hates their parent(s) because puberty" trope, that's why Cassie changed so much.

[@NautilusSSN571]

​@@melissa6912 they were all messed up growing up so no wonder why they seemingly can't phantom a normal child-father relationship.

[@zawarudo1041]

the new actress better fits esg-aligned agenda of disney marvel: toxic, unbearable, unnecessarily confrontational, pretentious, STAGGERINGLY entitled, self centered and egoistucal

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

"She's a bratty teenager, so she is likely going to be the moral center of this franchise." Hit the nail on the head

[@BloxitectYT]

"Don't forget to put her in that rebellious stage that every teenager goes through" as a teenager myself, the line i just stated pisses me the hell off.

[@karlcole5617]

@@BloxitectYTi also happen to not go through that much of a rebellious stage

[@Rar830]

⁠@@karlcole5617Same for me it was more of a depressed stage

[@necro4258]

@@Rar830same lol

[@skoll_2024]

RIP Orville (post season 1)

[@SkullpunkArt]

Ah yes, they mapped the entire quantum realm, that makes sense! The quantum realm, you know, the place made of quantum particles. You know, the particles that change when you measure them. Yup, they measured it.

[@boobah5643]

You're mistaking the quantum realm with quantum physics. Totally unrelated; these bozos think 'quantum' means small when it means 'comes exclusively in whole numbers.' That is, you can have 1, 2, or 42 photons, but it isn't possible to have 3.5 photons.

[@6-dpegasus425]

​@@boobah5643 marvel on their way to not look up word definitions

[@beanids]

@@6-dpegasus425 Marvel don’t misuse words challenge (impossible)!!!1!

[@tanizaki]

@@boobah5643He’s not making any mistake. Everything is subatomic. That means quantum mechanics apply. It also means no one can see or breathe.

[@andreasjames1956]

@@boobah5643 quantum physics applies to subatomic particles in the quantum realm

[@blueteamepsilon7798]

I remember back when I was in college and I became a world renowned Nobel prize winning scientist in 5 years because I read my professors homework notes. All those other scientists are so lazy taking decades to get degrees and do experiments.

[@jayw3512]

Lmao! I remember when I lead the New York Knicks winning 5 NBA Championships in a row because I’ve watched and studied Basketball. I also grew to 6’8 overnight and won the Slam Dunk Contest!

[@Ruffian_Xion]

@@jayw3512 led

[@daviouscram2101]

Imagine all those 13 year old kids IRL gaining super psychic powers simply because they tried to. Would be a good comparison.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

Funny, I did something similar. I was just an intern at NASA, and then within 5 years I was leading the deep space exploration programs building and launching the Voyager. All I had to do was someone else’s notes that were left in the meeting room I was cleaning. Silly scientists didn’t read.

[@DeadlyPlatypus]

I see everyone here is taking credit for Jennifer Lawrence's achievements again...

[@CalciumChief]

I've been saying "You think people disappearing for five years is bad? You have any idea the mess bringing them back would cause?". In the comics it was just 24 hours when Thanos did all his crazy stuff and that was reversed. No issues there, but here we had to do five years because Tony Stark wanted to keep his daughter, who seems to be completely gone from the MCU anyway.

[@indiajohnson]

Thank you! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 So glad I'm not the only one who saw the problem with this.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@indiajohnson it’s even worse than he’s describing. Imagine losing 3.5 BILLION(approximately) people all at once, all at random. BILLION btw. We’re talking from all over the world, government officials, plane pilots, car drivers, presidents, anyone. Half the population gone. It would be Mad Max x100000000000000. And let’s say by miracle, we somehow fix that in 5 years(we realistically wouldn’t even get close to fixing it in 100, even with the Avengers). Then those 3.5 billion people get brought back. It’s Mad Max all over again. The 2 snaps would be the end of human civilization as we know it, and no I don’t believe I’m going overboard when I say that. Endgame is a mess beyond all possible belief.

[@Abysalss]

And even with that, pepper should still be pregnant with her, he can just be a good dad again and not fuck the entire world up

[@mauwus4322]

Tbf, Tony didn't have any idea of there being any technology that could be used to travel through time. It's only when Scott escaped the macguffin realm that he didn't want to do it, and even that only lasted a short while.

[@MiloW456]

You wouldn't know this from the movie but Cassie has a mother with whom Scott isn't married. There were tensions around that plot point in Ant man 1, it existed it Ant man 2, but her mom is never even brought up in this movie. Despite Cassie being arrested multiple bloody times, being incredibly endangered, and (kind of) saving the universe, her mom apparently cares even less than me.

[@archstanton9073]

It was bugging me that Platoon kept referring to Cassie as Scott and Hope's kid. I mean, she functionally is in the plot she is, in fact, not.

[@_anxrchist_]

And if I remember correctly, isn't her step dad a police officer or something ?

[@farisirizevak3895]

They also didn’t include her moms boyfriend who expressed both an amiable opinion of Scott following the first movie but also a clear and evident paternal affection for Cassie. I guess when they asked Bobby Carnavale if he wanted to come back for Phase 5, he was like, “Nah I got more self-respect than that.”

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I’d completely forgotten about that, which probably shows how little regard the film payed its own principal cast.

[@Inebriated_Goat]

She is definitely brought up did you even pay attention to the film? She's brought up multiple times and cassie says something along the lines of "don't act like you care" or some shit.

[@thebevanator3813]

The whole movie Scott has stopped being Ant Man so he can support his new family and be a good dad for his daughter and it's played off as a bad thing.. classic mcu

[@RanMouri82]

"Daaaad, you're supposed to help the homeless, not raise me!"

[@turtato2155]

Yeah and it's not like he wasn't doing anything. He was inspiring the next generation to look out for each other. That's important too but I guess his daughter doesn't care about that

[@dannypalin9583]

The part where he mentions that it was because of him that Thanos was beaten, which is true, and they all more or less say "That was then, this is now". Three of these people would still be dead and the other one would be on her own, thinking her dad died with everyone else. Scott gets more respect from strangers than his own family.

[@buffyslyth1517]

This film SHOULD have had a sad tone. Scott came back to find his child had grown up without him. No doubt raised by his exwife and her new husband. After seeing the connection they had in the first two films, that is not something you skip over.

[@yukikanegawa7470]

Also his daughter doesn't respect him or the sacrifices he's made. He literally saved the world in the biggest war they've ever faced to date and she's still telling him that he needs to do more? He doesn't deserve to retire and enjoy the peace he fought for? It was one of the first scenes where they introduced her. How is she supposed to be morally correct. Also she used a suit against the police. Military grade weaponry or above military grade if Avengers grade is a thing against blue collar workers just doing their job. Like they weren't in the right but overkill much? This rich white provided daughter of a military hero who regularly gets bailed out of jail without consequence because of her rich famous family is the moral authority here? A young avenger? I was turned off from her immediately. How could I like a character like that? She's literally just a brat and if she wasn't treated so correct and she was actually learned to tone down the cockiness she could've been cool. Ant man should've died or been left in the realm. Stupid that he wasn't. She learned nothing.

[@smallandstressed2364]

So… Interstellar, but worse.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

that was the first 2 movies. he was sad he missed being with his daughter in prison.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@PeterParker-ff7ub And the tragedy repeats, but this time argueably worse. Some repetition's not bad if it forwards the plot and you can even make those kinds of connections. Her being a c*nt doesn't help the plot.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

@@yukikanegawa7470 it's like they took Ellie from the second Last of Us game and named her Cassie. even though Ellie had some justifiable reason to be mad at Joel for dooming everyone else.

[@dannytheman1313]

You remember the girl who played Cassi in Endgame, she was on screen for all of ten seconds but made you feel the emotional weight of it all. Like yeah Scott survived the snap but this was the trade off. Why was she let go? Because she wouldn't have looked as convincing beating up faceless henchmen in converse?

[@Usernamehear]

She probably couldn’t pull of the GIRL BOSS type. Crying and loving and caring and stuff.

[@tadpolegaming4510]

​@@Usernamehearthis is true. Look at every character the new actress has played, she's always some Antifa, wannabe Commie revolutionist type.

[@laurenaspreyart]

I hate the trope of the sweet child growing up into a spiteful teen. It’s not that it’s never realistic, it’s just done to death. Me and my sisters were the opposite. I had my disobedient teen phase when I was 3 and then over time I developed a little thing called emotional maturity, to my parents relief.

[@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881]

Which is why if they ever announce a Haley White spinoff it's safe to assume the worst. She'll probably operate under the alter ego Sanger

[@sonnysad905]

That trope is actually projection from the writers lol

[@dewolf123]

Frankly it reflects off the parents relationship with them if their teen kid has a spiteful behavior towards them in the first place. I get they would act this way if the parent was overbearing, neglectful or too strict but Scott has never been none of those things even when he was doing time in the slammer so she has no valid reason to treat her dad cruelly when he's always been the best to her.

[@zawarudo1041]

Twitter/tiktok "folks" like Cassie never will get any emotional maturity because social media conditioned them this way. Dopamine overcharge made them eternal, unbearable, entitled children

[@ConspiracyPundit]

Here is a fascinating thing, how a certain type of person clearly rages on the left, but indulges in their tactics of shadowbanning. You Sir are an absolute shower and a cad.

[@melissar4612]

"We had dirt, like, actual dirt we were walking on." Folks, we've reached that point in CGI Hell when DIRT becomes worthy of mention. Press F to pay respects.

[@masterkent1]

can't wait for the next interview of the next mcu movie "we touched grass. Like actual grass!"

[@CountDoucheula]

No. This dumpster fire isn't worthy of my respect

[@ShinkuGouki]

F

[@ShinkuGouki]

​@@masterkent1 lmao "we got to touch water" 😂😂😂

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

I just imagine a blue room, but the floor is dirty. No one takes off their shoes, they just walk in and track dirt all over the place. Also, I've now thought of the word dirt too much and it's starting to sound and look like a fake word.

[@columbawagner2532]

The actress’ wonder at having “actual dirt” at her feet while shooting is so revealing about how movies are made now. I mean we all know it’s mostly CGI, but to the point that the actors are wowed by having real life dirt…

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I think she was genuinely thrown off by the question. “What was it like to film there?” You… you do realise they didn’t actually film this in the quantum realm, right?

[@Xxgxxaxx]

@@TheLittlePlatoon yeah that….. that’s a weird question

[@aerindinescarro47]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Odd question, but do you dislike socialism? You went on a tangent with the socialist ants joke

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

@@aerindinescarro47 I actually thought the fact they made the ants socialist was itself a needless tangent and therefore quite suspicious. But yea, I dislike socialism - I used to be a socialist.

[@aerindinescarro47]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Ah I see, is that because of history, or because of understanding the system more specifically? A lot of people conflate socialism and communism with Stalin, Marx, Putin l, etc. which tbf is like comparing capitalism to Rockefeller, so I was just wondering Also I haven’t seen your video on MoM, but did you have a similar comment to America C. talking about how most food is free in other universes? That stuck out to me

[@Sammo-g9d]

I didn't understand Kang asserting his power level by bragging at how he killed so many Thor's, but then he just dies to a swarm of ants.

[@ShadeStormXD]

the powerscaling for kang is so dogshit, they fumbled him so badly

[@Cancoillotteman]

the "Quantum Realm" being treated as just a different place with the same time, space, physical and chemical rules as our world tilts me beyond belief : when you have all the weirdness quantum physique allows you to (uncertainity principle, corpuscules being waves of probability, insignificance to absence of gravity etc), it is nearly CRIMINAL to the imagination to come up with something so limited and boring

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

And more even than that, this film disregards the laws applied to that realm in previous entries (eg Janet saying you have two hours to save me or you’ll miss me by 200 years).

[@Cancoillotteman]

@@TheLittlePlatoon true, but come on man, being coherent is haaaaaard XD

[@HateshWarkio]

It would've been fine if it at least made sense and was actually unique but when you really think about it, we have one in the universe (considering Nebula never mentioned any other possible source) particle discovered and harnessed by Hank Pym capable of shrinking people and objects to that size and when you actually visit the Quantum realm, it's just full of humanoids and humans and looks like a funky vacation destination instead of what was previously described as an incredibly hostile realm and considered a certain death in the beginning And somehow the ants that came with the main "heroes" became GIGANTIC while going through the same succ as the main heroes at the same time Just, whatever, man... Throw some literal crap on the wall, see what sticks, what trickles down to the floor, and consider the dots and the lines it makes the written script

[@tylersmith9942]

I actually had this same thought a few weeks back. When you are subatomicly smaller than the air you breathe, then how can you possibly survive in a quantum space?

[@Thor-Orion]

These people don’t have any imagination…

[@jmace2424]

I’m honestly surprised they didn’t have Cassie call Cap a virgin.

[@p.h.bridegroom4142]

That would imply she's actually funny

[@lewis-da]

@@p.h.bridegroom4142 gg

[@daviddaniel6949]

When Cassie is in that car, that is one smug look she gives in that scene lol. Also, if she is going to make a comment on protesters, she needs to atleast consider the counter points, Kyle Rittenhouse and the summer of love is a good example.

[@nobodygoodfr9556]

Every Marvel film should have a spunky female character call Cap a virgin from now on

[@JohnS-il1dr]

​@David Daniel Marvel would point towards Rittenhouse but they will vehemently deny any wrongdoings from blm and Antifa

[@midderdixon]

Janet saying she wants to live in the now is code for: I don't wanna admit I cheated on my husband for my needs.

[@PrincessFionaYT]

Or made any other of the myriads of mistakes she made. Also I don’t wanna take any responsibility. MaySu gotta be poifect.

[@CplYakob]

Hank: "Eventually, believing you were dead, I went on a few dinner dates, but not a single one worked out because they weren't you, baby." Janet: "I was horny lol."

[@wiyresmcman9545]

Facts like if he believed she was alive and she did the same she's cheated and if what he said is true about cheating then their both cucks

[@mattblaster2378]

For my wants. She did it for her wants. She didn’t need it

[@PrincessFionaYT]

I can’t help Believe there is a slight message in there that soy boys should stay home and pine, but women can go out and get it done. I am so sick of this.

[@pixelpastiche]

43:52 Kang saying “I’ve killed so many avengers that I can’t remember who they were as individuals.” Is like Little Mac being able to speed run the dream circuit and then getting his cheeks clapped by Glass Joe on the minor circuit when the capture card is running.

[@oldoutlet6946]

The writers for these new egotistical younger characters seem to want to make the new Tony Stark without fully understanding what made Tony great. People didn't like Stark because he was arrogant and full of himself, people liked him because he grew from that and went through many trials to get there. These writers seem to want to skip all the hard stuff and expect you to like what they've made from the get-go because "well Tony Stark was like this".

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Indeed. Perfection is fundamentally uninteresting. Give me flaws.

[@boobah5643]

I think you're wrong; Tony Stark being arrogant and full of himself _is_ why people liked him. It's just that everybody involved recognized that those are character _flaws._ The whole point was that he _isn't_ quite as good as he thinks himself, and that arrogance and pride made his life (and that of others) more difficult than they had to be.

[@mopnem]

@@boobah5643 I agree, sometimes I think others say other things to like pretend they didn’t like the arrogance, who knows, it’s sheeple stuff. Personally I think these other characters aren’t even fleshed out well in the comics & that’s another angle, the comics are ridiculous. I always said it’s going to be hard for Marvel to keep going when the comics themselves are cheesy/nerdy(in a bad way) /ridiculous alot of times.

[@jackmesrel4933]

And even when he was full of himself, he had a charm none of this characters had, an air of superiority earned through being the top dog in his field for most of his life. He wasn't confident and arrogant cus he thought he was the best, but because he WAS the best, and no one denied the fact even if they didn't like him. There's so much to talk about early Tony Stark and how he develops over the films, it's insane what a fantastic job they made with him, shame the quality of the writting staff has degraded to the point they are today

[@nont18411]

@@boobah5643 He was arrogant, full of himself and VERY CHARMING (100% courtesy of Robert Downey Jr). Whenever he jokes, it lands because that's a part of his personality. And Tony wasn't a cocky funny guy for nothing. There are layers to it. Tony used jokes and snarky remarks as a coping mechanism for the chaos that happened to him his whole life. Losing his parents, getting backstabbed by Obadiah, getting bombed by his own weapon, had his heart removed and replaced with an arc reactor, losing Yinsen, fighting bad guys and aliens, PTSD, dealing with consequences of his own actions about Ultron, fighting Cap, finding out Bucky killed his parents, PTSD, Thanos and stuffs. But being an arrogant and funny guy alone won't warrant him to be a likable character. He needs to learn and grow from it as well. Just look at how he found the meaning of life when Yinsen told him not to waste it, how he kept trial and error with his suit and his many selfless acts to prove that Tony Stark has a heart. So I think it works both ways. Tony is such a lovable character because he's both funny and arrogant while also having constant character growth throughout the saga to overcome his flaws. When he grows, we grow with him.

[@DerToasti]

why the hell are we getting all of kang's backstory through pure dialog? that's, like, easily an entire series of movies showing us who he is and what he's done.

[@lewispooper3138]

Because those would all flop

[@georgemeyers7172]

Because fuck Show don't tell I guess.

[@thanostitan2746]

Because you gotta wait for kang dynasty, other next mcu project,the writer said avengers 5 is kang's movie. But it's cheap knockoff, they're just doing some thing like infinity war is Thanos' movie...I just idc . It's gonna be garage

[@samwellcheck562]

Writers in the MCU are no longer held to any worldbuilding standards. You get Kang's backstory in dialogue dumps because the writer isn't interested in telling that story and doesn't care how much that ruins the worldbuilding or opportunities for future stories. Audiences have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that all the time, effort, and money devoted to maintaining a cohesive world is completely unnecessary and that just letting dollar store writers do whatever they feel like with little to no supervision can be just as, if not insanely more profitable. If somewhere down the line they get a writer who wants to do Kang's backstory, they'll just let him make up whatever he wants regardless of how contradictory it is, and the financial success or failure of that story probably won't have anything to do with how stupid the plot is.

[@nickclark1815]

We got all of Thanos' backstory through dialogue.

[@silverscorpio24]

Marvel Then: "There is no throne. There is no version where you come out on top. Because if we can't protect the Earth you can be damned sure we'll avenge it." Marvel Now: "Don't be a dick!"

[@Willowy13]

The language for the "new audiences" also called Gen Z. The MCU had so many memorable dailogues: Nick telling Cap the last time he trusted someone he lost an eye (yeah... let's forget the cat), Natasha telling Alexander "Did I step up in your moment?" Nick saying you have to have both eyes open. The whole dialogue between Nick and the car computer during that chase in Winter Soldier. Thanos speech to Thor/Loki before he killed Loki. The whole speech of Sharon Carter during Peggy's funeral (which is in my Memorial for a job promotion). Thanos speech from the first Infinity War trailer. Cap speech in the Triskelion during Winter Soldier final. The "he is adopted" joke Thor said in Avengers. Clint x Wanda in Sokovia that prompted her to help. Nick arrival with the old Hellicarrier in Sokovia and Ultron x Vision final showdown. Everything during the invasion of NYC. The destruction of the mCU truly is cultural vandalism.

[@Ale-dd3ek]

​@@Willowy13 shut up I'm gen Z and I hate this shit

[@AxisSilent]

@nope1949 Gen Z watched Avengers in theatres, in fact, watched Iron Man 1 in theatres.

[@PkPk-pg9bx]

Waiting for them to use "Bruh" or "L Bozo" in their future movies

[@GabrielPiardi]

​@BetelgeuseM12The gen z who are like, 8 years old

[@xlebnykot]

What keeps bugging me, is that in Ant-Man 2 we saw a character(Ava), who had some collision with the Quantum realm, making her unstable and unable to have a solid body. What’s exactly why Scott ended up in the Realm during the Blip, because he was getting some particles for Ava to stabilize her. And it’s mentioned that he’d done it before, so they had messed with the Quantum Realm before, even went down there, and Janet seemingly had no problem with that what so ever:D But everyone simply forgot about Ava? She Is never brought up again after Ant Man 2, she is never mentioned anywhere, despite potentially being an interesting character and future hero. But no, MCU had forgotten her completely👁

[@Trollificusv2]

Geez, you're like, asking them to keep track of things! Several things! How is that even possible?

[@heem8232]

That's easy, she didn't have a huge problem with it because it wasn't her or her loved ones going it was just Scott who wasn't very significant to her yet, and although she was grateful for his help in letting her out, she still didn't know him that well. And they were using the quantum realm for the expressed purpose of helping save a person's life, not just exploring willy nilly. Furthermore, when Hank and Scott ask about why they didn't see the worlds when they went in, Janet says its because they didn't go deep enough, the layer they went to for the quantum particles in Ant-Man 2 wasn't the same as this movie. Also hindsight, slight spoiler ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::but Ava is brought up again in Secret Invasion

[@littleoldmanboy]

@@heem8232Wipe your chin bro you still got some cum on it

[@1kbmahan]

@@Trollificusv2they couldn’t remember a sequel of their own trilogy? They have terrible memory.

[@Abysalss]

Well hey ghost has been mentioned again in secret invasion, and apparently she was present at the battle in endgame (somehow) although this is only conveyed by her powers being gained through her dna which was at the battle in endgame for some reason

[@lucyhardman2267]

Platoon: "Because the Ant Fam are down here, we're meant to believe that not one of the five of them..." My brain: "What? No... there's four of them. There's Scott, Cassie, Hank and Janet. Who's the fifth person?" A testament to how memorable Wasp was in this movie.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

freaking hilarious that her name is in the title. Also why does her hair look like shit in every ant-man movie? like do the haircut stylists just hate her or something?

[@BridgesCaleb]

Scott is basically the sidekick of the movie because he is always wrong and doesn't have any "monumental" achievements So the title should just be " And Ant-Man Quantumania"

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

That same point on the end-credits... I think its reasonable that if the Council of Kangs didn't kill the exiled Kang, they'd be so wise as to keep an eye on him. How that works, I do not know. But lets say they HAVE been watching this exiled Kang in the Quantum Realm, how did they miss Janet falling in and then falling out and then back in with her family and how the hell do they miss the ants that evolved into type 02 civilization ants?

[@tatangakarvel8667]

@@zacharyjackson1829 She said stuff in the real world that the council of real world kangs didnt like, therefor her part was apparently wrecked as much as possible.

[@TheOriginal_Unaleska]

Because Hollyweird don't like her because she didn't want to fit in their narrative. And supported the Truckers in Canada.

[@LucasMarques-gm2fj]

2 weeks later I´m still wondering why Hank didn´t even get a little upset that Janet cheated on him with atleast 2 people knowing that Hank was alive on Earth. While Hank couldn´t even date someone and he thought Janet was dead

[@matthewbowen5841]

StUnNiNg AnD bRaVe

[@nont18411]

A woman wants what she wants. You go girl.

[@nick-a-cola2749]

I’m only letting it slide on the basis that she believed she wouldn’t ever get out

[@Biggiiful]

@Joseph Wong. If this isn't sarcasm then I despise you

[@amanibob1416]

As Ma'am She-Hulk Sheself said: "A woman has needs." Or... "T'is fine s'long as I wanna."

[@HateshWarkio]

The fact that Janet never brings up the stranded space super Hitler in the Quantum realm and happily goes with her extended family and performs a number of tests and studies in the Quantum realm just shows how much this script is held together with spit and director's prayers Can you even call this story retcons and character assassination? This should be a new tier, Wong-inspired possibly

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Its worse. Cap doesn't kill Bucky in Winter Soldier and that causes Civil War. Tony Stark creates Ultron by accident and he's racked with guilt. He mocks Thor's existence making fun of aliens and then he has panic attacks about knowing that there are creatures out there that could chew humanity up. Its why he wants to create Ultron. Meanwhile, Janet knows there's a psychopath two walls away from our reality and she comes back home and wants to "ignore it, forget about it, I just wanted to be your mum." What?

[@skychieftain]

​@@valentinegonsalves7322 didn't she even sleep with Kang?

[@jessicawilliams3849]

@@skychieftain No, she slept with Bill Murray’s character

[@skychieftain]

@@jessicawilliams3849 wow that's.... worse

[@jessicawilliams3849]

@@skychieftain It really is. Especially since it’s just used for a joke and never brought up again. A sexual relationship with Kang would’ve added more angst to the story

[@TOONYBOY]

My favourite part of this film was Hank's encouraging line to Scott by quoting his book. "You read my book!" "Every damn word" Genuine bro move

[@thecod2345]

I remember going to see this in theaters with my friends assuming it was going to be half decent. By the end the only enjoyment we had was each other’s company and the hysterical laughter we had whenever we had to take a look at Modok’s cgi. The funniest part was roasting Modok after the movie, in which we compared him to mr electric from shark boy and lava girl and fucking mighty beans.

[@Flamefether]

Mr electric was rendered better then that abomination

[@ryanlesner0000ninja]

I understand that the guy and his machine are dangerous. But I do not understand why he is dangerous. If he goes some where in time to blow stuff up. Couldn't the Avengers go there using their machine?? So why is he a threat?

[@ryanlesner0000ninja]

How can the machine operate without electricity??

[@bungiecrimes7247]

@@Flamefether it didn't look like that because of it's date. The director for some reason likes spending as little money for his movie's cgi as possible.

[@AngryMinkey]

The Old Gregg episode of The Mighty Boosh had better CGI than this movie

[@CatsMeowPaw]

One of my friends is a huge Marvel fan. Will see every movie on opening night. Half way through the movie I heard him snoring. He actually fell asleep, that's how good Antman is

[@Willowy13]

😂😂😂😂

[@CaptainEtc]

Why did Cassie open the portal at the end? She should have had no way of knowing whether Scott and Hope had actually beaten Kang… The Ant Fam should have alerted the remaining Avengers that Antman and Wasp were Schrödinger’s cats in the quantum realm. If Kang had killed them at the end, it could have established a threatening villain that Cassie, Hank, and Janet only escaped because the two actual Avengers sacrificed themselves. The whole movie might have been redeemable by an ending like that. They could even still have Scott and Hope win, but not show it on screen for us. They’d join up with the Quantum Peoples and Ant Civ to appear (thought dead) at just the right moment in the Avengers Vs Kang movie.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

The only potential defence that comes to mind is that while the portal was open, Cassie saw the fight unfold (while doing nothing to help), and so may have seen Kang’s defeat before it closed? As for the rest, it’s genuinely staggering how so many potential plot lines are being squandered by these films!

[@draconomega]

The true question is how did she open that portal. How the fuck a radar from a fucking shed has even a fraction of the capabilty of a multi-versal traveling device

[@DennisEirLim]

Getting people from the Quantumverse is a known science in the main universe as they have gotten both Antman and Janet from there so it would be more of a pothole to have him stranded there - they just do a poor job of explaining it

[@Trollificusv2]

@@TheLittlePlatoon The "writers" are very, very far away from deriving a story from cause and effect, character and motivation. A story must...well, _should_ , flow from a starting condition, moved by those things. The people "doing" these movies (sounds better than "creating" or "writing") seem to work backwards from "You know what would be a cool scene?" and "Let's make this look like a bunch of dicks!" with no regard for any setups, callbacks, throughlines or consistent arcs. If they were stoned out of their minds on psychedelic drugs and throwing Disney's considerable resources at random crazy ideas...that might be entertaining. But they are constrained by the checkboxes, and gender restrictions and sometimes they remember they are supposed to be part of some bigger story (not that they seem to recall what it IS). The closest they come to entertainment derives from amazement at how total their incompetence is, and, of course, when someone such as yourself takes the time to elaborate on it. Many thanks.

[@Trollificusv2]

@@draconomega Dude, teengrrrl science savant power, of course! That's not really a thing in the multiverse, the quantum realm, reality, or variant timelines, but it seems almost _mandated_ by Disney.

[@Scott.Sandifer]

Seems to me there was a pretty easy fix for many of these issues. Write it so *JANET HAD AN AFFAIR WITH KANG.* She didn't tell anyone because she'd been banging a supervillain for years. Kang's motivations are more scattershot because he's still in love with her, and enraged she's leaving him again. He shared his master plan with her because he thought they were in sync. This gives him much more human motivations, and sets up some complicated dynamics going forward.

[@RM-nf5eq]

I legitimately thought/think that WAS what happened. Even hank has some line about "its fine i banged a few too" or some shit.

[@robertdascoli949]

Or you could have gone dark, and Janet actually joined Kang on his rampage of the quantumverse to get the materials needed to rebuild the core. She would do anything to get back home, but then Kang shared his evil plan with her (no spaceship telepathy needed). Then it gives a reason for her not to tell her family, she's actually a flawed person. I can't wait for AI writers cause we've gotten terrible scripts for everything past endgame.

[@draconomega]

​@@robertdascoli949 that actually makes fucking sense. In the movie we are never told of the bad things she did, we aren't even shown her effect on the people of the quantum realm. Like the tribe lady that knows her, yet never crossed her in the whole goddamn movie. It could have been a much better excuse for her not saying anything, feeling guilty about her old deeds in her past life. Only wanting her old and peacfull (in comparision) life.

[@lynx4082]

Thank god you're not one of the writers because this is somehow worse and more bland and cliche

[@Trollificusv2]

@@robertdascoli949 And while people bitched about Endgame too, the fact is that by comparison to recent MCU crap, Infinity War/Endgame was a massive achievement on several levels, remarkable script consistency being one of them.,

[@tylersmith9942]

This movie aside... Whatever happened to the Ghost villain lady from the second movie? The whole reason Scott even went into the quantum realm was because they needed quantum dust to heal her of her condition. Did she die off screen and literally no one remembers?

[@Lastseen91]

Dude. I completely forgot about her Just goes to show that the writers literally made it impossible to recap anything important at all and welcome it into the plot

[@Willowy13]

True.

[@xrstevenson]

@@Lastseen91 Thunderbolts will answer it. Is that a satisfying answer? No, your points are still proven right

[@Lastseen91]

@Citrusbird386 Haha yeah, I didn't know they were making thunderbolts. I think they're going to ruin my favorite character then, Songbird.

[@Ceber300]

@@Lastseen91 From what I’ve seen, none of the real Thunderbolts are even in the movie. It’s just side characters from the last few movies led by Bucky

[@stephencox5476]

Love the thumbnail, Gotta love it that a multi-billion corporation still can't make CGI heads look better then the kid from Toy Story 1

[@MitridatedCarbon]

Correction: a multi-billion dollar corporation and overworked underpaid artists.

[@stephencox5476]

@@MitridatedCarbon true, I suppose Disney is getting what they paid for then aren't they?

[@liamphibia]

"I! Am not! A DIIIICK!" Worst. Line. EVER!

[@darkdemonqueen]

Holy crap that’s a legit cgi screenshot!?! Ok I get it now. Lol

[@markgoodwin9948]

When i see that head it reminds me of George Lopez as that electric tv dude in Sharkboy and Lavagirl lmao please tell me im not the only one

[@compusmart6168]

"How do you waste Bill Murray?" he asks of a franchise that's wasted Robert Redford, Mads Mikkelsen, Christian Bale...

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Bale was definitely wasted. I thought Redford’s role fitted the homage Winter Soldier was going for. Mikkelson as an actor deserves a recurring role, but his character didn’t.

[@compusmart6168]

@@TheLittlePlatoon I'll admit Redford was really only included because I wanted a third example.

[@Brian-gw5hg]

​@@compusmart6168 Julie Louis Dreyfus?

[@insertcoolnamelater9334]

@Compu Smart I would add Patrick Stewart. They might also waste Charlize Tneron, if we look at the quality of the current movies

[@BWMagus]

Bill Murray was in Charlie's Angels...and starred in Garfield.

[@ggwp638BC]

One thing about the argument "But Iron man made time travel" is that regardless of the characters, the film never breaks our suspense of disbelief with Tony. We watched over the course of a literal real time decade Tony reaching that point. Even if at the first film he was already a genius, he wasn't a time traveling genius. We also saw him build an AI and all these systems that eventually helped him reach that peak. Not only that, but in Endgame he already spent years trying to figure that out to no avail, he considered it impossible, he had given up by the time the movie picks up that plot. Finally, he doesn't even do it alone, sure he is the guy who put it together but he needed Pim particles and the data Banner already had.

[@PierreVivaldi]

This! This is what they're lacking off right now. No character building whatsoever, and their interaction between other heroes isn't as entertaining/world building as it was. It's just exposition dumping or terrible one-liner.

[@SWANSWAN-nc7ds]

​@@PierreVivaldi I am very late on this ,Tony didn't single handedly create a time machine it was thanks to the help of Bruce and Scots there are actual time and effort in making the time machine. It took them years to make it. Cassie just know how Pym particles work like right away didn't it took Hank his entire life to finally understand how to use them.

[@chrisleach909]

What I took away from the film is that you can be a superhero, you can co-invent time travel, you can save the universe and bring literally TRILLIONS OF PEOPLE back to life, but you’ll still get lectured and told to “do better” by teenage Twitter activists. In short, I’m team Kang moving forward. Wipe this timeline and let’s start again from the beginning.

[@Willowy13]

Me too. I wasn't team Thanos, but now I see his reasons.... and I can't believe twitter/tik tok made me agree with him😂. If half the twitter/tik tok activists were snapped out of existence just for being more annoying to Thanos than normal folks, humanity would have a better chance.😂 Joke aside, it would make Kang more threatening. I'd wait he'd say a line along the idea that he was observing: Thanos tried and failed, but he'd not committ the same mistakes. He could try to execute the plan of Endgame Thanos and wiped it all.

[@darkdragon5520]

@@Willowy13 Says the christian cryptofascist 💀

[@stormhought]

@@Willowy13 I think if Thanos came to our universe, and showed him tiktok, he would just wipe anyone who made an account on there

[@Blaiyan]

Right lol.

[@arctic_seath2890]

well, I mean, was anything she said wrong (I don't fully remember, so correct me if I'm wrong pls)? while I get having an annoying character talk down to a, beloved preestablished character (is Antman even loved?) is extremely frustrating, cough cough she hulk. wasn't she right about kang and how the blipped people were and are being screwed over? to her the fight has only begun, the avengers saved the world sure, but they are also abandoning it, and not helping with the aftermath of the snap, and that is going to come off as dickish to other character who haven't heard or seen their story as we the audience have. just because someone solves a big problem doesn't mean that all the problems have been solved. just because you get rid of termites in your house, doesn't mean you can just move on and expect everything to work out, because the foundation is bound to crumble without any intervention.

[@rhapsody5645]

"He tortures cassie for a bit, not that you could tell from her acting" savage 😅

[@tomicu2003]

i love how he makes up better, more interesting plot ideas/character arcs than the people who are getting payed to do it

[@Tokru86]

Most teenage fanfiction writers probably could come up with something better than what those "writers" did.

[@bilson7523]

19:40 It's not just flaws in character either, it's flaws in how they go about being their genius selves. As an engineer, I find the MCU's depection of "genius" these last 5-7 years infuriating because it doesn't just come out of nowhere, it's not practical. Every one of these girl bosses is shown to have an infallible perception for how things should be built independent of the natural failures that come with applied science. Failure is a necessity for innovation, and I think the MCU understood this early on. Through Iron Man 3, Stark was shown to be experimenting and failing regularly. Sure, he made tech wizard marvels, but throughout his films there were always little gags about how an invention of his experienced an inopportune failure. His origin story was defined by such failures. This is more inherently relatable, because it not only makes more sense, but anyone whose built anything has experienced that moment where they realize they have to start over several hours or days into a project. Meanwhile, Cassie just plops out a device that is basically a walking contradiction of physics, and I'm supposed to believe she made that in a year by reading journals... OK.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yeah, think about how Tony fixed the icing problem. The first moment he tried to hover, he yeeted himself into the ceiling.

[@han3wmanwukong125]

The irony being that Tron was actually one of the few Disney properties that could actually be referred to as original. It was a sequel which tried to capture the heart of the original movie... not sure if it did, but at least it tried.

[@GeorgeMonet]

The sequel wasn't a Tron movie. It was a generic action movie.

[@han3wmanwukong125]

@@GeorgeMonet Omg I'm tainted by nostalgia!!!!!

[@Shevtress]

@@GeorgeMonet Oh stop, it deserved the Tron name.

[@limewater4074]

​@@GeorgeMonetLegacy was infinitely better than Tron 84

[@VR96FE]

I really liked Tron: Legacy. Sure the story wasn't flawless and it was kind of generic, but I really liked the aesthetics and the soundtrack was awesome.

[@WTF1035]

When the ants got sucked up through portal I immediately thought "oh no please don't tell me the ants beat Kang in the end" Imagine being the big baddie of countless universes, having erased countless others just to be defeated by fucking smart ants.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

And with next to no set up, either! Suddenly, ants.

[@Turbulentdesk3967]

​​@@TheLittlePlatoon I WAS JUST SAYING THIS THE OTHER DAY! The very least they could have given us was a scene or two of Hank picking up on some sort of strange frequency in his ear and going "What the hell was that?" and trying to explain it to his family. At least then it would have given us any sort of context to go off of. But nope. Instead they hit us with the mother of all asspulls at the very last second and the only explanation we're given is "Ants very smart, advanced technology blah blah blah".

[@deadschooled]

@@Turbulentdesk3967 they did, idiot…

[@ChaoticYak1]

@@TheLittlePlatoon My guess is that one of the writers had seen the Phase IV ant movie from 1974 and thought, "Hey, hyperintelligent ants! That's it!" (And that is one trippy movie, by the way.)

[@ChrisSmith-tu9bu]

Yeah they really telegraphed the ants coming back

[@LRNick77]

The MCU is going to new lengths in an attempt to silence criticism by making their movies so incomprehensively idiotic that nobody will have the mental fortitude to sit through even a single scene.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

If you can't convince them, confuse them. Sadly for Disney, nerds that are invested in this media will put in the time and work to sort through any amount of bs soulless corporations like Disney can shit out in the name of entertainment. A turd rolled in glitter is what Disney movies are now. Its made to look nice enough, but it stinks and isn't fit for consumption.

[@jracerichards]

Yet here you are talking about another Marvel movie.

[@t.bo.e2487]

​@@jracerichards not the point of the comment genius

[@jracerichards]

@@t.bo.e2487 If you say so Einstein

[@Madeleinewith3Es]

The only believable thing is Janet being the middle aged woman deliberately not discussing serious problems because she's pretending everything is nice and normal here and now

[@ryszakowy]

too real man

[@TheRandompaint]

The first two movies showed an amazing relationship between Step parents. This movie pretended they didn't exist.

[@anthonyhack1164]

I swear these corporations are intentionally trying to piss us off 😅

[@galifar1016]

That may be the point exactly. If they can't sell a movie by its artistic merits, or how entertaining it may be, they will sell it by how angry makes people. As they say, "no publicity is bad publicity"...

[@master2uall88]

It is called Marxism 101 you have to tear down all of the traditional stuff that is sacred to a nation so that you can destroy the country and the foundation and then you put a new foundation and build up from their your new Marxist Socialist Communist Utopia. That's what it is my friend

[@stoneymahoney9106]

When all your best storytellers retired, burned out or were deemed politically problematic, all the industry is left with is talentless hacks making cookbook formula movies that no-one wants, with the mindset that "the production line cannot be stopped, next product will save us all!"

[@MALICEM12]

It's social engineering and YES, the average Joe normie is that retarded and will eat any shit they feed them. Remember, the Transformers movies made a metric fuck ton of money and are getting yet another sequel....

[@master2uall88]

@2 Corinthians 4:7-11 beautifully written ❤️

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

Tony Stark is a Genius with decades of experience and access to exceptionally advanced tech, He is shown making advances only through throwing himself entirely into his work *(Iron Man 3 showed us this was because he couldnt sleep)* and he even floored himself when he stumbled onto time travel *(we see him trying multiple times then falling into a chair amazed with himself when he stumbles onto it)* Cassie read some dusty journals from a man with zero experience of the quantum realm and managed to make a device to map a world no one has ever returned from.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yeah, there was a buildup. He starts out as a "simple" weapons manufacturer, gets his cliche traumatic event (because every supehero needs that to become a superhero) and grows from there. He doesn't just invent time travel or even the arc reactor or the Iron Man suit. We see the process that leads him there. His ego is massive, but he also has the skills to back it up. And we see him fail. He is quippy and sarcastic and makes jokes, but they work. And if it doesn't work, the other characters react appropriately. And he works with a team. Not a bunch of sidekicks, but people on the same level, who rely on each other and help each other and complement each other.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@HappyBeezerStudios women dont need traumatic events to become heroes, they're pushing the idea that being a woman in the modern world is 'traumatic' enough (cpt. marvel didnt overcome shrapnel in her chest or a world war, she 'overcame' ... man-splaining....) thats what im saying, there was trial and error, every advancement came with a set-back, every set-back made him more resilient, resilience develops character and THATS what people want to see in a hero, not generic power fights. It makes me laugh that modern writers demand more money when they dont even understand the heroes journey anymore.

[@smallies7154]

" Janet tells broccoli boy to fuck off " is a better line than anything in the film

[@davemccage7918]

Can you imagine if Marvel opened up with a movie like this. One can’t even begin to fathom how quickly the entire company would be bankrupt.

[@petergriffin-tu6ug]

like wat? you mean captian marvel? becasue yeah i get it

[@pontiffsulyvahn3898]

@@petergriffin-tu6ug No, they're saying, like, instead of Iron Man, there was a movie on this level of writing

[@petergriffin-tu6ug]

@@pontiffsulyvahn3898 qOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH i couldnt fucking tell man im so sorry it just hard to tell with it being a review and all its kinda difficult i do arge though they need that not iron man copy iron man writing

[@petergriffin-tu6ug]

@d R im sorry man we all have our off days

[@brianwalsh1339]

Wouldn’t have been the first time.

[@-12Sided]

Tron’s CGI is actually good. Along with STELLAR music by the legends Daft Punk.

[@-12Sided]

@@cristoalba5781 Exactly. People thought it was mediocre at the time, but watching it now that the standard is so low, it’s a fuckin masterpiece. It may be a bit slow at times, the CGI can be obvious and unrefined but nothing stuck out like a sore thumb. No politically driven ideological horse shit, no virtue signaling, it’s a movie that is made to entertain with such a super cool vibe. And I can’t stress enough how unbelievably overlooked and underrated the Tron soundtrack is. Catchy, recognizable, unique, every song perfectly suits each scene. The mixture of the genres orchestral, electronic, and synth NEEDS to make a comeback.

[@Raximus3000]

@Cristo Alba Really?! In my case not so much, i remember Tron actualy remembering programs are not users and the idea of manifesting matter from a digital world would be absurd, otherwise the bad guys would have done it! And of course the digimon...

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

Young Bridges is really bad at the beginning, but once they get it into the darker computer world it looks good.

[@littlejohn8435]

15:05 That such a gut punch. Imagine being a war veteran that retired with the least baggage then being belittled. While other families are dealing with rabid shell-shocked veterans that is used to be your brothers-in-arms.

[@Stratacaster87]

I think Scott and Evangeline lily don't rush back to the portal and embrace each other because they realized they've both escaped Cassie for ever and are much happier in the quantum realm without her

[@Alexander_the_Greatest]

And Cassie brings them back because she is an evil little brat

[@spnked9516]

I've come to appreciate the "girl boss" movement in modern writing for exactly what it is - one big, drawn out meta commentary. See, the girl boss characters - like the ones in the MCU - are the perfect metaphor for the people who write them. They didn't build what they now use, they didn't earn it either, they believe themselves to be capable of no wrong and exist as God's gift to the world, and most importantly - nobody actually likes them.

[@Sorain1]

They are the villain, and simply can't understand that. (Handsome Jack says Hi!)

[@MALICEM12]

True, but the important thing is, will the normie learn that important lesson about the absolute state of modern western women?

[@ShinkuGouki]

They're perfect geniuses that no man can EVER match 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Krystalmyth]

I hate to use the, but think of the children argument, but it's my biggest concern for young girls. As making flawless narcissists role-models unironically, during the developmental phase of an entire generation of Disney film audiences, isn't going to have a negligible effect. If it was just one film, I would say this is an overreaction on my part, but it's the great number of similar messaging across many works, being normalized in some of the most accessibly mainstream media. The girl boss movement may be, a tongue in cheek, hilarious anecdote for those of our time, but for many people, young people especially, they're caustic symbols of perfection, victimization, narcissism, often enough - sociopathy... dressed in heroism, and perceived as virtue.

[@katgreer6113]

Yup! Marvel is doing these female characters so wrong. They are one dimensional "girl boss goddesses" that can do no wrong. I don't think they realise you can be strong without being stupid and rude. I mean look at Widow, her character is so well written.

[@jordkinsmith3588]

I’m not sure its possible to create a less interesting archetype than the “bratty entitled teenage girl”. I’d rather watch almost ANY other group of people on screen. Literally anything.

[@boobah5643]

'Bratty entitled teenager' is an archetype for villains and future heroes. But it requires character development and, at the least, a peak behind that persona.

[@ynraider]

"Asuka Langley Soryu"... OG "tsundere"... when it's done perfectly...

[@mopnem]

@@boobah5643 While some are more tolerant than others MOST people don’t like the bratty part tbh.

[@boobah5643]

@@mopnem Counterpoint: character growth. Also, some low-grade unpleasant behavior is more easily tolerated if the audience thinks the target deserves it.

[@ultronalpha94]

They would actually serve well as a villain that you're meant to hate lol

[@jonenthusiast_]

I love how Janet openly admits to cheating. This could’ve been a good plot line for Hank to actually think down on this. No, instead we get some shitty joke that Hank also cheated.

[@Willowy13]

After Wonder Woman 1984 and the body she "slept with" without consent, everything is possible in Hellywood.

[@ルクミ-w8m]

Because if you reflexively react to your woman cheating, you're sexist. You have to stop and think, accept that that's acceptable and continue sleeping with your hands. 🤣

[@noylj1]

Women don't cheat, they actualize themselves. Only men cheat

[@danielwan2410]

Isn’t there some “sex revolution” thing that allows for everyone to cheat and for it to be good?

[@draconomega]

I feel like trying to move on isn't cheating. One tought his partner was dead, and the other that she wasn't going back. It still was completly worthless for the story and was waste of time, which could have been skipped over for actual world building and not sightseeing, and having telled to us for the eight time that Janet sure was someone everyone knew yet didn't do nothing worth talking about.

[@darkpit37]

Kang's motivation is weird because it at first glance seems almost benevolent, he wants to stop the other versions of himself from screwing around and messing everything up, but instead of just being slightly sensible with this goal and forming the TVA with the intention of tracking down the more villainous individuals when it comes to time (which the TVA would absolutely be capable of) he just decides, "other versions of me bad, must destroy their whole universe."

[@Dash123456789Brawl]

Wasn’t destroying entire timelines pretty much the sole focus of the TVA? Detect moments where the timeline diverges, recruit/brainwash useful individuals from that moment, obliterate the diverging timeline, and stack on layers of bureaucracy to make it suitably confusing. All of that an effort to prevent other variants of Kang from coming to exist in the first place. That was the perpetuated victory of the variant of Kang who ruled it. A variant of Kang who had conquered all, and had nothing left to conquer. He created a system to ensure that nothing he hasn’t conquered would ever come to exist. At least, that’s what I think it was.

[@sapphicjade6375]

he who remains ≠ kang

[@tyrael4648]

This movie destroyed the kang dynasty simply by stating that the whole dynasty where not able to kill this warrior kang, but only able to manipulate his chair so he would be trapped. The fact that the dynasty didnt even go after him nor send someone/-thing to kill him indicates that their where to afraid to even try to come in to contact with him on any level. And Antman defeated this guy. How are we supposed to get a feeling of threat with this set-up for the next Avengers movie?

[@bigdaddydons6241]

Ant man didn't even defeat him? An army of hyper-advanced giant ants did. An interdimentional conqueror got raken down by the bugs from starship troopers

[@faythsdream]

It took me a while to adjust to the style where, after he’s said all he wants to say, it just ends. I’m so used to KZbinrs having some weird, robotic sign-off. Here it’s just “k, I’m done….bye.” And I’ve really grown to appreciate that little detail.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Oh, to be fair, I’d normally try a slightly more obvious sign off than this - I’d just run out of patience by that point!

[@masonrockwood7732]

​@@TheLittlePlatoonDon't bother, i'm in love with how much you respect your fans' time and intelligence.

[@piotrfijoek1095]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Also, if the user noticed the meat of the video ended 2 min earlier, it'd simply close the video. So I appreciate all your videos is raw content.

[@Br0Dud3]

Honestly such a missed opportunity. Imagine a street level movie where Scott starts the movie having sworn off heroism following all the crazy shit in Endgame. He tries to be there for Cassie more and tries to make up for the lost time. She meanwhile had become a super terrorist in his absence, had joined the flag smashers, or something similar, and had begun using crude weapons which she and her friends built based on Hank’s notes. The movie then following as a punisher type “hero” or the government begins hunting Cassie down and Scott is forced to put on the suit again to protect her.

[@Cancoillotteman]

rather than criminal I'd have her try to be a street super-hero, but in all her messy ways because she has neither the proper technology nor the training to pull it off properly. She could just rub off the wrong people (do I feel a Kingpin angle here ?), and Scott + wife have to protect her from the mob. In the meantime, you could introduce a federal agency superceding Shield with for mission to enforce the Sucovia agreements (contuinity anyone ?), and catch Cassie to bring her to justice as a vigilante. Douglas & WASP get the opportunity to shine running these men into a wild chase while the rest of the family deals with the mob

[@gianni206]

Wow, such good ideas in this section here. It’s almost like they weren’t written by an algorithm, unlike certain movies nowadays.

[@juicegod777]

Didn’t we just see that in Everything Everywhere All At Once?

[@theinnerlight8016]

As far as I'm concerned, Ant-man is so boring and irrelevant, it doesn't matter what they do to him.

[@Br0Dud3]

@@juicegod777 I never saw that movie. Is that what happens?

[@TheTrueJBru]

I feel like the MCU missed an opportunity to have Kang just appear in EVERY movie and show they've done since Loki. Not as a major character, but a Stan-Lee-esque cameo just to remind us that he can be anyone, anywhere, at any (or all) time.

[@bardssinisterstories2607]

This is a pretty fantastic idea, damn shame this didn't happen

[@JoakimOtamaa]

Too bad that even Tommy Wiseau is more subtle than Majors. Terrible performance.

[@darrenmays2036]

The real worst thing about this movie was deciding not to bring back Louis and the heist crew

[@tyronegorman8949]

Michael pena is too awesome for this movie

[@maxgemstone7257]

Luis*

[@maxgemstone7257]

@@tyronegorman8949 Michael Peña*

[@joshuaashton1929]

I think the director said there was too much new stuff in the movie to add them.

[@ColdHawk]

I get the feeling that the biggest literary lesson from the past two decades will be: know where your plot is going, an ending to which you adhere, otherwise you risk writing yourself into a tightening spiral of increasing speed straight toward the ground, wrecking everything you worked to create and leaving the legacy of your art an empty, tattered joke that turns quickly into dust.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

I was going to say rules and consistency for lessons. In this movie time is whatever the plot needs it to be to contrive away things happening in screen.

[@Turd_Rocket]

The infinity aspect of any multiverse story is always a mistake because it removes almost any stakes or menace. Anything can happen to anyone and it will never matter because that person can always be replaced.

[@alsmith9853]

Agree. The stakes are much lower not Higher

[@сахасахович-п2и]

Yep, they already ruined all these sacrifices that we had in Infinity War by introducing a bunch of copies of old characters so i couldn't wait for them to ruin Endgame ones when they'll be desperate enough to bring back Tony and Steve as heroes from other universes

[@Turd_Rocket]

@@alsmith9853 For certain, there's a less-is-more joke to be made here, except the punch line for Disney is raw truth. I wish they'd be willing to err on the side of subtlety and small stories that build-up characters as the Little Platoon suggests.

[@Turd_Rocket]

@@сахасахович-п2и Ah, man. It's enough to make you old isn't it? For real though. The saddest thing to me is the tragic waste of potentially good character-writing for a new cast of characters. Like, Sam Wilson was a great charismatic hero for whom who they could have actually written a good story where we see him truly own the new mantle of Captain America and help to inspire a new generation of heroes, but nah-- Falcon and the Winter Soldier character-assassinated both him and Bucky with a poorly written clown adventure that deified murderous terrorists. - Shang Chi could have been a badass medium between Iron Fist and Daredevil, helping introduce big screen audiences to that underworld of crime and martial arts, as he struggles to reconcile his violent past and slowly begind to use his assassin skills to actually help people, becoming an anti-hero of sorts. But, nah-- they decided to take that plot, mix it together with about four other plots, in a shake-and-bake wuxia-light, end of the world, dimension hopping tale with the tonal consistency of a parrot singing happy birthday underwater. - Wakanda Forever could've been a deep and interesting character study of Shuri's struggle with grief and rage (parts of the actual film which are surprisingly well-acted/scripted) which would slowly built her up to reluctantly accepting the need for a new Black Panther when she finally triumphantly dons the suit. But nah-- it was a big dumb movie about blue fishman armies and racial ethnostates. - Ironheart could have been an opportunity for them to surprise the hell out of us by writing an underdog story about a disenfranchised student trying to become an inventor, who has real-world problems and struggles to balance her family responsibilities with her aspirations to do something great and make her supportive father proud-- so when she finally cracks arc reactor technology and suits up, it feels good because we've seen her struggle hard to get there. But nah-- they just shove her into Wakanda Forever as an afterthought and she's a genius who's never needed nor wanted for anything (apparently) and problematically typifies the black community by portraying yet another young fatherless black person. It's so sad to me because a lot of these characters they want to prop up, Kate Bishop, Cassie Lang-- if they truly gave a shit it is legitimately possible to write good material for them in order to introduce them to audiences and make us empathize, like, and care about them. But they just write them all so poorly. Skill isn't earned they just get it, character growth isn't earned (even if it almost felt close to the mark with Shuri) they either don't need to grow or their "growth" is deciding to "be more inherently awesome". Goddamn. Remember when billionaire Tony Stark was dying of palladium poisoning? Remember when he got captured and tortured by terrorists? Remember when Captain America chose to become a fugitive rather than abiding by international law if it meant doing the right thing? Remember when Scott Lang had to prove to his ex-wife he was worthy of visiting his daughter? There are ways to write these characters so that the audience feels for them and wants them to succeed, and accepts them as heroes. It doesn't need to be this way.

[@nont18411]

Just look at how many times Loki and Peggy died and kept coming back

[@DodgeThatAttack]

Its amazing how the guardians of the _galaxy_ manage to have personal and (relatively) small scale stories, while still impacting on the stated galaxy but somehow antman, the guy whos power is _literally_ to go small scale, manages to blow open a new multiverse and ruin the point of his existence

[@Avarn388]

I haven't seen any MCU films after Multiverse of Madness(I despise that movie) and I saw this with a good friend of mine. We were astonished at how bad it was. My other friend who tagged along, she put it really well: "You're telling me that this Kang guy is supposed to be the next Thanos level threat, and he's bested by a swarm of ants?!" What's funny is folks trying to spin this and say Kang wasn't actually defeated by the Ants, but these folks are purposefully being obtuse. Imagine if Thanos was introduced in Avengers 1 or a Thor film and he was bested by them quickly? All in all, the MCU is a rotting corpse of creativity at this point. Phases 1-3 are long gone and what we have now is nothing like it once was. What a shame.

[@whitemagus2000]

You understated it. Kang has twice been defeated by a B list avenger and an averager support character. Imagine if he had to deal with Thor or Iron Man.

[@r45tyler]

at this point

[@joshuaduck4139]

There is a universe where Squirrel Girl was the one who beat Thanos. But I do agree the next big villain shouldn't have that as an introduction, makes him feel like not much of a threat

[@lostskull7467]

As soon as he got introduced in quantumania, I understood it as that he was the weakest Kang, or a "loser" Kang, so I didn't think it was that bad. I think they still can do plenty with what they've established from Kang, but this movie is undoubtedly irredimible.

[@arturocastroverde3349]

​@@whitemagus2000 who is a A lister now,

[@pacoramon9468]

Isn't it weird tht all Marvel teenager girl are capable of creating technology that's more impressive that the Iron-Man suit.

[@Willowy13]

And without Tony Stark's BILLIONS!😂Obadiah Stane told a lab tech that Tony built his first suit from scraps. Marvel took this as a challenge and made the females characters do the same. Only, Tony was a known genius and has billions. He also built the first suit out of the weapons his own company made while being held captive. He was bound to know about how to use them for his advantage. Therefore, he had the pieces and knowledge to turn them into an Iron Man suit.

[@thejasminedragonmerchant6843]

It's absolutely baffling. Cassie has absolutely NO valid canonical reasons for having the financial means, much less the resources or knowledge overall, to get a suit outfitted with Pym Particle technology, much less have any idea how to make complementary technology. There's no prior buildup at all, which makes the whole thing appear to happen absolutely out of nowhere. At least with Tony he canonically earned a bunch of STEM degrees AND had more than enough money to make basically whatever he wanted as long as he put in enough effort. It still took him time and setbacks, obviously, but it at least made sense.

[@I-hear-voices]

She's so brilliant that she believes homelessness can be solved by gifting homes to them. Have the Left ever talked to a homeless person?

[@hlebozavod6916]

@@I-hear-voices have the Right ever talked to a woman? *I hate this woke garbage myself though. They aren't "left", they are dumb."

[@lucky6961]

​@@thejasminedragonmerchant6843 and don't forget, he did the first armor in a life or death situation, he struggled and lost a lot along his journey, he deserves every bit of sucess he had

[@Cp-71]

I cannot believe I'm saying this but Sharkboy&Lavagirl is officially better at designing characters.

[@Dave102693]

Spy Kids 1-4 beats most of the post-Endgame movies smh

[@ShadeStormXD]

​@@Dave102693spy kids 1-3 is still peak. fun and creative but also with well earned stakes and development we were eating good

[@camillaferrer1581]

Cassie's 'moral' arc centering around her doing something with her life would have been much better if she had an attitude about *wanting* to be like her father instead of putting him down for being the only one in the ant family to be an active participant in saving the universe and then just wanting to chill afterwards. I would have cared more about her character if she was someone who aspired to be a hero like her father, which would make sense why she went to Hank about wanting to study the quantum realm. I get that this sentiment only comes into place later in the movie-but the first two Antman films (from what I can remember) really focus on Scott's struggle with feeling like a hero in his daughter's eyes as he was a heist man. Like the first two movies already focused on this- and now it's like Scott needs to prove himself all over again.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I can see her being angry that her dad hasn't done any big superhero stuff lately. That is understandable. Him being lazy on his reputation could even be a great character flaw. Then having the children of the old heroes complain about the inaction of the older generation and trying to become the next heroes is a great plot point. But have it be earned. Have the old heroes try to be parents. Helping the children but also try to slow them down to stay the cute innocent children they used to be. Family stuff. And let the inexperience of the young heroes and the decadence of the old heroes clash, let them work things out, let them work together. Work on their flaws. Become a team.

[@perfectheart7010]

This movie sure is...a movie

[@ggt47]

This film is the most disappointing thing since my son.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Funnily enough I use pretty much exactly this line in the video!

[@eliomarnahr201]

Love those guys at RLM

[@ggt47]

@@eliomarnahr201 Yes. TLP and Red are my" comfort" channels.

[@ransakreject5221]

Wtf happened to his daughter? She went from an adorable little girl to an ugly angry leftwing terrorist played by a 26 yr old in just few years.

[@therealdeal3866]

Absolutely stunning critique. Well done, Platoon. I also very much appreciate that you didn't put ads in this one. I have tipped you the price of admission for a movie ticket, since this was feature length and you saved me the trouble of watching this awful film ! I appreciate you and all your hard work. Thank you!

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

That’s very kind, thank you!

[@ynraider]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Ants are not actually monarchies... Recent studies show that they are quite advanced & HARDCORE communists/socialists... It's why they are so successful.(Capitalism is not a good system in Nature.) They also wage racewars, practice burial rituals, domesticated other insects, and practice forced abortion...

[@ynraider]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Also, trees, trees are hardcore communists as well. "Mother trees" use root mycelium to organize nutrients, biowarfare, and intra-forest resource policies...

[@fancee5471]

Damn, bro relies on other people for his opinion. Yikes

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Socialist Ants XD But hey, what do you expect of Hollywood, which is Part of America, which drank the Koolaid about Capitalism and Socialism for a long long time and believes in all kinds of debunked myths? As Socialists like to point out, our average American has no clue.

[@robertlewis6915]

They could have given Janet a reason to be quiet: shame. If she committed adultery with Kang or something of the sort, it could be a flaw-powered explanation for why she was quiet (shame, not wanting to have problems with her family, etc.).

[@johndodo2062]

She did and she admits to it in a throw away line

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Know the stories about how priests and psychologists talk to people in prison...? And how the end twist is always, "Someone told me later that the guy who insisted I eat lunch with him every week is actually a man who murdered his entire family in their sleep"...? You ever read a news report about a murderer and realise, "Holy shit, I know that guy! He and I worked the day shift at the recycling plant for ten years!" That recontextualizes all the clues in conversations you remember but you thought it was just jokes and rants. THAT'S what Janet should feel after she returns home after interacting with Kang! Knowing what he wants to do!

[@murk4552]

​@@johndodo2062 Murray was a throwaway character which is why it was dumb for her to cheat anyways.

[@robertlewis6915]

@@johndodo2062 See, I vaguely remembered hearing that in a different review, which is where the idea came from.

[@riahw3750]

I mean she admits to cheating with Murray's character easily enough

[@Enterstainers]

Man, imagine if you had a down-to-earth drama about him struggling to reconnect with his family after the Blip whilst dealing with a grounded villain getting in the way who represents the flaws contributing to Scott's struggle. They have more ability than anyone else to hire the best writer and get the best story possible going, there's literally no excuse.

[@sapphicjade6375]

I liked the quantum realm it was a cool setting imo that they didnt really explore in the other ant man movies

[@r.e.z9428]

I honestly like Tron Legacy and wish it had gotten a sequel. The story was serviceable and the visuals were spectacular. Seeing Daft Punk was also icing on the cupcake. The animated spinoff was also pretty good too.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I believe Tron Ares has just started production, or is about to. Which might be good. Then again, apparently Jared Leto is in it, so…

[@r.e.z9428]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Theres always a chance, but I won’t hold my breath. Though with the right direction I’m sure even Jared Leto can be put in something good.

[@destructivepanda5226]

I played the Wii game religiously as a kid, one of my favorite games ever

[@r.e.z9428]

@@destructivepanda5226 Yea the game was fun too

[@cosmoreverb3943]

@@destructivepanda5226 I have so much nostalgia over that game

[@dylansgreer]

You see, Platoon, what the writers meant when they said that the quantum realm was timeless was how the audience would feel sitting in their seats, waiting for the movie to end

[@Willowy13]

😂😂😂😂

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

The writers are clueless. They can’t even keep track of what time is supposed to be conceptually but want to do a whole film about it and mucking it up every time because if anyone proof read the script they’d realize how none of it makes sense.

[@Trollificusv2]

@@chazzitz-wh4ly You're talking about PLOT, and they don't care about that. They're paid to create a bunch of scenes, quick and shiny and strictly adhering to the Disney rules of gender and family. They may actually, by these terms, think they did a good job. Which is more amazing that socialist super-science ants.

[@MLNeidig]

I like how they took the one likeable child character in the MCU in Kassie and must have figured "people will like her if we age her up post-blip and then change everything else about her". I like how all this girl boss shit was tried and failed in the comics and they "surely if we do this in the films it won't happen"

[@AJadedLizard]

It's so weird because (albeit with different writers) they singularly failed to do this with Peter Parker; he was mostly unchanged in Far From Home but by the end of No Way Home was extremely mature and made *exactly* the choice he would've in every other iteration of the character. It's almost like it's just teenage girls who are written like this and I don't get why.

[@scottmoore1614]

Madok is one of my favorite Marvel villains and I was anxiously awaiting his eventual appearance in the MCU. So much potential and they turned him into a total joke. What a travesty. It boggles my mind how far the MCU has fallen in just a few short years. They’re going to need some solid..and I do mean SOLID…films if they’re ever going to recover from this mess they’re in.

[@arenkai]

Can you imagine an Avengers-type movie now ? 10 or so girl-bosses running around trying to out-quip and outsmart each other while all being correct at the same time. Honestly, no wonder they aren't making any ensemble movie anymore, what a nightmare that would be

[@citizensnippz470]

lol what you described is exactly what we're going to get. it's comin

[@killuminati2911]

You described Marvels, the new upcoming yet delayed movie

[@FanksCast]

That forced feminist scene in endgame says it all.

[@ELTABULLO]

So endgame again? I'm sorry but that was one wet fart of a conclusion, you were blinded by the fanboyism

[@flyingcactus1953]

@@FanksCast end game is at least overall interesting. Most of Phase 4 is rather trash. Maybe except for Wanda vison and Loki, the rest is quite trash

[@ajs3147]

I think the biggest error is in confusing the "Phases" with narrative structure, when it's actually a marketing strategy.

[@ルクミ-w8m]

They did make Phase 1,2, and 3 seem like act 1, 2, and 3 of a big story. It's not our fault, or at least his fault, to expect Phase 4 to be the act 1 of a new saga. Now that Phase 4 doesn't seem qualified as an act of anything, it's another evidence suggesting that MCU is moving forward without a real plan this time and it doesn't seem to care if it won't reach the goal as long as it can keep making money along the way.

[@ill_steal_your_pbj7363]

Had they given phases 4 and 5 a bit more thought before wrapping up phase 3 (which they shouldn’t have because phases 4 and 5 shouldn’t exist) they easily could have set up a civilization of people from the future stuck or living in the quantum realm during quantumania and Kang could have come from the future, since the version of Kang from Loki said that his alternate versions would rise again, and that’s a part of it.

[@ShinkuGouki]

Phases 4 and 5 seem more like a cheap money-grab with no thought-out plan.

[@austing9060]

I feel like the mcu had a better chance if It did/does shoot more for a recovery of the stones. Those stones were designed in the mcu as all of reality, the big bang, so when they're reduced to atoms(not necessarily destroyed), it just creates a 😒 moment and quickly ruins endgame+. Right off the bat when you started watching endgame and saw that the stones were destroyed, UK what the setup was, i.e., recap, recover, retaliate. Right now, the mcu just doesn't seem like it has an official setup. Just the destruction of the stones is where the plot just dies out for me. It seems like it's trying to be something it's not, and it's not accounting for past plot lines or itself, but rather how it can set up future films.

[@Willowy13]

If you watch old interviews of directors, a lot of them said that when they accepted the role they had had access to the plan for a MCU up to 2030. I think it was Joss Whedon that joked it was a looooong piece of paper. It is my believe that they threw it away for The Message.

[@braedynhoward3644]

In my opinion, what made me love Ant Man (at least I fell in love with him as a kid) was the idea of him shrinking down (or growing) and interacting with everyday object in that size. That scale thing captivated me as a kid, and shrinking (and growing) because m favorite power, thinking about the possibilities of exploring at a microscopic level, rather than another space adventure. That's why I loved the first movie. When he shrinks for the first time, it looked so real and felt so dangerous, It was fascinating. When he had to learn to communicate and tame the ants and he was around their size, it felt so real, interesting, and fascinating. Even the final battle on a toy set was cool. THAT'S what I loved about Ant Man. There is so much to explore with the shrinking thing, yet they chose basically a "Star Wars" Space like stupid sci fi thing, which was really an excuse to introduce the villain. You literally could have told me they were in another galaxy in space and I would have believed you. I would much more have enjoyed this movie if it had been as simple as ant man is going to the microscopic realm to explore, get resources, get a cure, or do some experiments and gets stuck there or captured by microscopic undetectable people. Maybe an ambitious ruler with amazing technology discovered the macro world through ant man, and being sick of living in the dangerous micro habitat, decides he wants to grow his civilization and take over earth nd surrounding galaxies, using Ant Man. Literally just thought of that, and it's a better plot than what we got. The only thing that might have made this movie better, would be if Scott had sacrificed himself to "trap" Kang. But nope, it all ended perfectly.

[@L337N1NJ4L1NK]

You know what would have made for a fantastic over-arching Kang plot? The Kang in the Quantum Realm is an insane Kang compared to the others; instead of conquering his reality and joining the Council of Kangs as one of many, he wants to isolate all realities and timelines from each other so he alone can rule his universe. To accomplish this, he would need to gather some McGuffin from across the multiverse but the other Kangs caught onto this and managed to sabotage his ship; trapping him in the Quantum Realm 30 years ago putting him into position to meet the main cast and kick off the plot. You can even explain their refusal to directly kill him by giving him some leg up over the other Kangs. He alone among all the Kangs has some technology or power that has them fear him. And it is this fear that keeps them out of the main universe. From here, the movie could proceed as normal but I think it'd be better if Kang came across as a necessary evil instead of a genocidal maniac. "You don't understand! No one understands! If I don't do this, if I lose we all lose! Don't you see? I'm the only thing keeping every other version of me from coming here and killing all of us!" His eventual death at the end would then more naturally flow into the Council of Kangs invading but I think it'd be more effective to have Scott allow Kang to escape when faced with either sacrificing Cassey to stop him or letting him go. Then you could have the Council of Kangs gear up to invade anyway, forced to intervene to stop Kang's plan to sunder their grip on the mutiverse. It'd set up Kang as a big bad but also give us a new potentially good (but not really) organization. From here we could have this big multiversal war where the heroes are forced to choose a side with neither side being clearly the right side. If it were me, I'd write it so Kang is brutal, ruthless and murderous in his pursuit of his goals but ultimately doing so to protect his universe from the Council of Kangs. He'd be prideful to the point that he doesn't try beyond the first exchange of words to sway others to his side or explain his motives much. This would push the heroes into the Council of Kang's side allowing for Kang to be deated eventually, only for the Council of Kangs to then invade in earnest to try and take the last universe not under their rule.

[@ColdHawk]

But who is his Morty gonna be?

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Mate, you put way too much thought into this. Shame the writers didn't.

[@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079]

woah my dude just wrote a better story than the 50 billion dollar company how wacky is that

[@rapz85]

Thanos was too lenient. If he'd known what garbage was comin, he would have wiped out the other half too.

[@Willowy13]

It was his second plan, but Tony got to him first.😂 If you think about it, Thanos followed the old narrative of "villain gets the good guy, villain has a way to kill the good guy for good, villain doesn't kill the good guy for reasons" that Austin Powers mocked in one of his movies.

[@zacharysheetz3701]

When I heard that Kang was in this. I thought that they would stumble upon the TVA because what better place to hide it than in the quantum universe. A place "out of time" that would still exist within the Sacred timeline, and almost no one would accidentally find.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

To build on that, we know the TVA keeps twenty Infinity Stones from alternate timelines just in a drawer. Like spare paperweights. Wouldn't it be cool of the exiled Kang went after some of those to use against copies of himself? And Antman has to heist them out of his hands, all within the Quantum Realm?

[@thanostitan2746]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 that scene infinity stones as paperweights. I fucking hate that scene so much. Loki show sucks and kill mcu ,what a terrible move making the infinity stones as paperweights and ruin the infinity saga. So bullshit.

[@xavierburval4128]

The main thing I hate about this film is that it doesn’t just go against normal descriptions/laws of the quantum realm/scale, but it also goes against its own descriptions/laws. For example they mention that Kang was banished to the quantum realm because it was “a place outside of space and time” but then it treats it like a normal parallel dimension with ZERO space-time anomalies like wormholes or singularities, and at the end the movie goes back to the exact same time period that it started in, which contradicts the time-traveling stuff that was used in previous movies. Especially since there are apparently different timelines, infinite according to the movie, it would have been really cool to see a bunch of different storylines across multiple timelines, and then, actually see them all converge at the end. Instead we get a bunch of random character arcs that don’t really have good payoff, don’t contribute much to the story, often had bad jokes that weren’t worth it, and don’t really convey any messages. It’s confusing, it distracts from any parts that may actually be worthwhile, and quite frankly its bad character design

[@ethanglasgow7612]

This is a good summary of some of my problems too. It’s frustrating that they advertise this as some “time-traveling, multi-dimensional” adventure without actually exploring this concept. They use this multiverse concept as a crutch rather than exploring some fun scenarios can come from fucking ant-man being in this ridiculous situation they found themselves in. The movie screams being an over-the-top parody of sci-fi films with outlandish multiverses, but instead, the film uses the multiverse concept as a means to explain the completely nonsensical plot line.

[@darkhawk4863]

Wait... so... Cassie read Hank's notes... "with Hank's encouragement", while everyone was missing? Skipping past the fact that she was a child when the snap happened... a child who did *NOT* live with Hank, and has *NO* relation to him... Hank also was snapped. He was not around to be encouraging to this child that is not his. How am I supposed to care about these stories, if Disney themselves clearly don't? Also, how is Scott the one who's out of touch? He came back first... at the beginning of Endgame, the others not until the end when everyone got un-snapped. Guess this is the MCU penalizing those of us who actually remember when and how things happened in previous films. And here we are again, with a mis-titled film being a sequel not to the film one might assume from the title, but as a sequel to a Disney+ show. "Doctor Strange: MoM" was not at all a sequel to Doctor Strange, it was a sequel to WandaVision, except it also completely forgot about Vision, and the fact that that show did, in fact, basically bring him back to life. But Wanda doesn't care about the actual being she actually loved who actually existed, she obsessed over the beings she literally conjured from nothing. So now, it seems this film is a sequel to Loki, which also wasn't about Loki, but an alternative, female and thus superior Loki... but that wasn't even called Loki, because she doesn't need to go by his name, or something, I guess. When the very names of your products become a bait-and-switch over and over and over again, this is why I can no longer bring myself to give even a miniscule shit about the MCU anymore. The stakes are incomprehensible, and the characters are becoming increasingly insufferable.

[@cyrus2395]

Absolutely stunning. In the bad way, I mean.

[@JobyPlays]

Wait people didn't like the Loki show? I thought it finally made him a good, well written character. Or at least, I enjoyed him finally.

[@cyrus2395]

@@JobyPlays He was transmogrified into a whimpering wet blanket who let his other version make all the important decisions while he stood out of the way. It's already a chasm-sized leap to get from who he was to who the writers decided he is now, but still all they did to get him there was show him a video of his appearances in other MCU films and act like that would be enough to shake someone to their very core and flip their personality around completely

[@JobyPlays]

@@cyrus2395 They spent a LONG time showing him how shit of a person he is and how completely ineffectual he was, how no one sees him as he wants to see himself and needed to change himself somehow if he wanted any meaningful results. He finaly had consequences to his fucking awful behavior instead of having it handwaved cuz "he's my brother"

[@cyrus2395]

@@JobyPlays They showed him a movie, more or less. That's not how people change, you could travel back in time and show yourself a video of your life and it probably won't change a thing about you. He's also totally fine with killing to get what he wants, why would seeing his own life and death change that? Nothing new was shown to him, mind you, so would Infinity War Loki be like this wuss?

[@viiking01]

Absolutely massive phase 1-3 fan here. Endgame was my biggest best theater experience I've ever had. Watched all phase 1-3 films again leading up to endgame. Really gives endgame tremendous weight. Watched a good bit of phase 4 tv and movies. Literally could not care less about watching any more MCU from here on out. All the news surrounding new shows and movies I find myself being completely indifferent towards it all. No excitement. No build-up. No weight. It all feels very partially-baked. In all honesty I imagine they had phases 1-3 pretty well planned out and appropriate changes made as necessary as they went along. They were printing cash with those movies and they knew it. phase 3 ended and it feels like they said "Umm we're honestly not sure where to go from here."

[@indiajohnson]

Well, imo, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is worth it. But everything else yeah meh.

[@healthiswealth1452]

Did you enjoy shang chi?

[@JoakimOtamaa]

​@@indiajohnsonI found it just mediocre. Gamora was so damn annoying, yelling bitch in it, like Nebula in GotG1 and that ending dance scene ruined the whole movie for me. Thsnks Shrek for ruining movie endings with fuckin dancing.

[@ladyreverie7027]

Good points about the flawless female characters and how they're boring. I agree. The best thing about Phase 4 was WandaVision because Wanda actually went on an arc! She was a fully rounded and interesting character that I could relate to. Except then all her development was thrown out the window in Multiverse of Madness 😞

[@noylj1]

But did Wanda pay for her crimes? Did she restore those she hurt? What have you for me lately?

[@noylj1]

Wasn't Janice portrayed once known as a real actress

[@JarmamStuff]

WandaVision was far and away the best thing to come out, until the last episode where they basically handwave it all away. WV episode quality followed GoT season quality

[@Trollificusv2]

@@JarmamStuff And a more satisfying ending was vetoed because "We cant have Dr. Strange (a MAN!) help her or teach her anything about what she'd done. Instead, there's an unsupported idiot line about "They'll never know what you sacrificed." which is dumb enough to have been written by Fiege himself. An opportunity to delve into what could be a truly tragic character arc for Wanda/Scarlet Witch over several upcoming movies...is just thrown out. This is where these movies go from "poor" to "enraging". I ain't payin' to go see this kind of shite.

[@MitzyPep]

Yknow, given the sheer catastrophic damage that should’ve been done unto the world because of the blip, I feel like a neat villain idea would’ve been one that tries to fill in the power vacuum and create almost like a new world government under their control. It could’ve addressed the consequences of the blip, while also using it to set up the next saga.

[@liamphibia]

Am I the only person who's massively *disappointed* that Michael Pena's Luis is just gone from the film?

[@kylefrank638]

I'm more upset about Cassie's mother and step-dad just not factoring in. What, they didn't care that Cassie started getting rebellious and endangering herself, post-Snap? They just aren't relevant to the Ant-Fam anymore? .. why? Oh we don't have time because there are CGI battlefields that need to be frolicked in? sick.

[@liamphibia]

​@@kylefrank638 Why did Jeff Loveness get rid of all the side/supporting characters in Quantumania? A cameo or honorable mention would've been nice!

[@StarWarsomania]

Yeah, the “heist crew” was definitely a highlight of the original Ant-Man. It was a way of keeping the movie fun and light-hearted in a way that wasn’t Undifferentiated Marvel Joke #1293. And it was also a way of leaning into Scott’s schtick of being “just a guy” tossed into the craziness of superheroes. The “stories” Luis’ character would tell were also my favorite parts of Ant-Man 1&2. Again, just a fun moviemaking gimmick. The fact that they were just *dropped* is really sad. It also says something about Scott’s character that he didn’t give a flying flip about them post-Blip.

[@lordraiden7397]

The only comedic character that works is the one exiled... ironic

[@MissDecentDD]

"He has to drink goo from one of the melted sex toys." Is the line ever.

[@yesnahchansey]

If there are infinite universes with infinite alternative versions of the same events and characters then there are an infinite number of plot holes with infinite solutions.

[@Willowy13]

An infinite number of versions of Wanda going wacko.😂

[@miosis23]

with an infinite number of ways to be infinitely unimpressed by all from here to infinity

[@angrypvz1236]

One of the biggest problem with the modern MCU is just the world structure. The logic of the multiverse and different planes and dimensions is wildly inconsistent and causes just so many problems with the stakes. Like none of it feels like it matters anymore, they really should have taken a small break from all the stuff and focused on earth post blip in greater detail

[@dbags7617]

Gotta love Disney. Destroying your favorite franchise in every way possible 🙃

[@SRow_Plays_Games]

I'd love to see a teenage character who isn't either a super entitled over opinionated ignorant empowered girl/Gretta or a wimpy simply submissive comic relief teenage male. The two stereotypes are super abrasive and unrelatable. Not to mention promote toxic behaviour and expectations

[@marslara]

My conspiracy is that's it's Hollywood's way of screwing over the "woke" ideology. Whether or not you agree with woke people, Hollywood makes every single one the most irritating (almost always girls) character ever created. And the guys are usually just.. normal characters 😭

[@ladyreverie7027]

Peter Parker? The teens in Spider-Man No Way Home are pretty well rounded.

[@zacharyjackson1829]

Kate Bishop wasn't too bad. Despite the argument that she was slightly a mary sue character she still idolized Hawkeye and never once acted like she knew what she was doing more than he did and she was ver happy to listen to him and learn from him. I'd say the only flaw that series had was not immediately showing us that Kingpin isn't dead (I swear to god if he is actually dead...)

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Have you ever found out that someone you were in school with, at work turned out to be a murderer? Or you kinda found out that they were gonna commit murder, but didn't think much of it at the time? That's what Janet should feel about coming back to reality after interacting with Kang and knowing what he actually wants to do. Also for how tiny the Quantum Realm is in this movie, where everyone runs into everyone and everyone just turns up in the same place including a bunch of fucking ants, when exactly was Kang trapped in there. 30 years ago? Wasn't Scott stuck there before Infinity War and the five years post the blip? How did he not see/hear anything about a Kang and a multiverse inside there? Okay, Scott Lang is a heisting criminal. Hank Pym's been screwing around with this place constantly! How did he not notice anything?

[@SRow_Plays_Games]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 Haha yeah the writers seem to kind of forget thee important features of time and space in non-scifi scripts so i think in a sci fi script they just give up trying to come up with good explanations

[@Spacemuhreen]

“MCU is dying” what a surprisingly positive comment from you. My brother from across the pond, MCU has been dead and they have been parading its corpse on marionette strings for a while now.

[@Geezer-yf8hv]

It ended after End Game! No one cares about anything after that!! PERIOD!!!

[@Geezer-yf8hv]

I find it so amazing that us average, everyday “peons” have better ideas than the pros who are paid to write this shite!

[@DarthEvilicus]

Tron Legacy is such an underrated gem. It gets so much better with age

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

That was back when Disney was such an amazing and competent company with no stupid agenda. I miss those days. I never realized how much Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania ripped off Tron Legacy.

[@aidengray3998]

I see people mock the way Clu looks, but I always thought it was intentional. He's a computer program, shouldn't he look computer generated? I know the others don't like that way, but...