Why I Dropped Go and VSCode For Javascript and Zed

[@anthonygg_]

Thanks for watching! Love you all. fanmade.ai Fanmade Discord for beta testing => discord.gg/m8777RtNwH

[@stanislavmilchev3054]

Very disappointing pivoting to such AI companion thirst traps, who pray on lonely and desperate people.

[@Kaama21]

@@stanislavmilchev3054 exactly my thoughts...

[@Kats0unam1]

tldr: Why I stopped making Network services and started building AI websites. You are welcome.

[@casadogaspar]

Thank you, imagine watching 17 minutes just for that.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

ai is 99% grift ... completely insanea level of trash ai apps out there ... notice how you have never heard about ai in science or dna, genetics etc.. where it actually is useful ...

[@minma02262]

You are jesus

[@Y3llowMustang]

@@casadogaspar bro is a yapper

[@siya.abc123]

I always say this: DO NOT TAKE THESE INFLUENCERS TOO SERIOUSLY. JUST FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY. Otherwise you'll flip flop like them

[@jeffreysmith9837]

Or you know... just make up your own fucking mind

[@MikhailRumyantsev-r1n]

🤣🤣🤣

[@hectorcryo6768]

ooff... that was a solid statement, no joke

[@Technoyote]

Sometimes you get a Javascript job and you switch to Javascript, sometimes you get a Go job and you switch to Go. Who cares

[@siya.abc123]

@@Technoyote but there are now people out there building products with very bad UX because Anthony and other influencere told them Go and HTMX is the best stack

[@thrash1337]

I dropped JS for Go.

[@hectorcryo6768]

story of my situation

[@agxxyz628]

Me too

[@VladKing-dz5be]

Exactly 😂

[@masar-at]

I am trying to, it's been 2 weeks now

[@agxxyz628]

@@thrash1337 bros node js doesn't exist in big companies

[@Lohan_Guedes]

tl;dr left go to make ai softporn

[@MikhailRumyantsev-r1n]

ahawhawhawhawhh🤣

[@terriprifti5069]

This video is clear explanation of how to stop caring about tools and focus on making money

[@bjojosimpson]

Insha Allah 🤝

[@mentalmarvin]

This is like when your friend finally return from his trip to asia, has converted to an exotic religion and is never the same again

[@kevinmarques9334]

it's like evolving, but backwards

[@Laflamablanca969]

Devolving?

[@mugundansridhar3835]

Anthony discovers that different languages and frameworks have different use-cases

[@guttenbergovitz]

Can't be...

[@amitk.512]

Reason why I have trust issues

[@Maratreason]

The main thing is not to delete these Go playlists. Especially about blockchain. I and thousands of others are actively learning from these lessons. There are so many features discussed there that you won’t find in books.

[@xxXXuser69420XXxx]

ytdlp the **** outta them, can't depend on someone else's will

[@codewithkv]

I work with Go and TypeScript in my job. Knowing TS has enabled me to contribute to other services and solve more problems than if I only knew Go.

[@SOMEONE-jg6jg]

Video title edit:Why I went from a Chad programmer to a Timmy.

[@SOMEONE-jg6jg]

Am still doing the distributed file system btw. I love your videos.

[@sameershahid9775]

I agree with you that we are programmers and software engineers, not just enthusiasts of a single language.

[@bjni]

but, you have to start somewhere. you cant be a programmer and software engineer if you dont know shit. beginners need to stick to something and get good at it before branching out

[@loooUwUoool]

You finally reached the last state: Delivering values over technicalities

[@amit_go]

"Apples are not great oranges"

[@gorandamchevski]

Hi Timmy, glad to see you back!

[@gh0stx000]

This comment section is so sad. Why does it matter what language? Wtf. He'll keep making videos still. And he'll surely use a different language later... And Go will come back one day. Half these comments should go watch 12:18 -- are YOU *that guy*? Reevaluate your life and stop group thinking. Honestly, for such a good channel, I'm amazed by the amount of dummies in the comment section... On the bright side, y'all will stay at the bottom of the barrel. At least you won't be my colleagues. So weird, I'm convinced this comment section is bots.

[@gmtborges]

Satisfaction to see a software engineer make good decisions to simplify their job. Most of the time I saw they making things difficult

[@EricDBrown]

I'm primarily a Go guy (day-to-day), but 100% agree with your message. Have to be flexible and stay on top of many tech stacks in this industry. If you don't, you're going to get left behind... maybe without you even realizing, until it's too late. I try to keep up an 80/20 rule. 80% of my time development, and 20% continuing education (whether that's on a language I don't know, tools, AI, etc.). Never stop learning. Better to be a chameleon than a gopher.

[@dranon0o]

Well doesn't need to go full schizo Go (few libs) + C (few libs) + Kotlin (especially for mobile apps) + JS/TS (few libs) and you can do basically everything while fitting lot of freelance contracts or jobs.

[@RenXZen]

It's true. You have to choose the right tool for the job. AI websites that are basically openai wrappers IS soydevs domain so this makes perfect sense.

[@adjustyourtone]

Currently I write regularly in Go, JS/TS, C#, Python and Ruby. Why? I like making money.

[@lucastomic6812]

Good to see you again, Anthony. You spilled some beans today. I hope whatever kept you away wasn't too bad.

[@0xxi1]

I would have never guessed GSP was a react dev

[@CarlosLopez-007]

Ruby/Rails feels magical at first, but the magic fades as you examine things closely. Fortunately, understanding how it works isn't too hard if you're curious.

[@tis5yoab]

In our architecture, we use React and TypeScript for the UI and Spring Boot 3 for the backend. The backend consists of a collection of microservices that can be reused by other backend or UI applications. The UI application is designed as a web application rather than a content-managed or SEO-focused website.

[@boopfer387]

Thanks Anthony! Great synopsis from a builder and the tools you use.

[@aus10d]

Thanks for this video. I find myself sometimes reverting back to the "what language do I use/learn" mentality. Your advice is good to get my head straight again. Also, I really like Zed too. I'm on Windows mostly, and while I can get it working on Windows, it's still not fully working, so I'm looking forward to when it's out in-full for Windows.

[@mugen153]

@anthonygg_ As you're so long in it for the Go, why not make your back-end in Go, and on the UI side use something like SolidJS (very lightweight and simple React alternative)? With remix, there is for sure the benefit of a single language on both ends (with shared DTO-s, I presume), but what's in it besides that to ditch Go?

[@doceddie]

This is what I do. Full-stack always ends up as a convoluted mess. Separate clients and backend.

[@buc991]

This is the way

[@underflowexception]

It's possible but after doing a similar project it's much easier to have both backend and front-end in the same language.

[@doceddie]

@@underflowexception adonisJS or nestjs plus sveltekit

[@gh0stx000]

Many high growth startups are consolidating product frontend backend to TS (the word "product" is important). Faster development, no need to context switch, etc. It's good to try new things... 🤦🏼‍♂️ This is the state of 2024 and into 2025.

[@rodjenihm]

We all know Theo's video about this video is coming.

[@gadgetboyplaysmc]

huh

[@JohnPatricio661]

Hi, Anthony. I just wondered if you've tried Panic Nova and what your opinion is on it.

[@dgbhxi]

I switched back to vim from Zed, mainly because I couldn't disable the collaboration and chat features. It forces you to log in to GitHub just to remove the persistent "Sign In" button, with no option to hide it. Maybe it's nitpick, but the developers unwillingness to add feature flags despite PRs being made for it led me to uninstall it. I got bored of building the source code myself with those features off. I don't care about collaboration and i do not care about AI or signing in with GitHub, i just want an editor which i guess is fine, just not the vim/vscode killer that it pretends it is. It's a shame because Zed is otherwise an excellent editor.

[@lazyh0rse]

People think languages are religion, guys, it's a tool to get the job. You don't marry a tool, you simply find a better one. For me, I find laravel fits that criteria, but it could be js, python, ruby or whatever.

[@mr.togrul--9383]

Very well said Anthony. Btw Zed written in Rust😎 so no memory leaks. I got a question, you mentioned you needed client side reactivity and also u said you didnt like Next js. Do u know if Go+React would be good? like Go for backend and React for your Client-side state logic. i havent tried this myself but am curious

[@sighup124]

You can still have mem leaks in rust.

[@mr.togrul--9383]

@sighup124 it is way harder and if u use unsafe block unsafely. I dont think an editor software would use unsafe

[@underflowexception]

There's still memory leaks. The auto format on save issue can still happen in Zed as well as it's just a call to another CLI app so if you're using the wrong formatter it will take just as long.

[@sighup124]

@ plenty ways to create mem leaks without unsafe if you don’t know what you’re doing or just not cleaning things up. Just think leaked boxes etc…

[@mr.togrul--9383]

​@@sighup124 I mean yeah it can even without unsafe, but thats why i said it is way harder to have. I would say Rust makes memory leaks extremely rare. Issues like leaked boxes or cyclic references only happen if you deliberately bypass its ownership rules. I dont know exactly how Zed is written, but i just saw Rust and wrote what i wrote for fun since i like Rust. But in general i assume for 99% of use cases Rust’s ownership and borrowing rules make memory leaks practically non-existent.

[@pythic-nl]

Anthony, totally agree with you, 50 years of live experience here and 32 years of programming, owner of a company of 40 peeps. Seen it all, languages started in AMS/C/Pascal, pre-interwebs stuff. Must say for the last 7 year, I've been hooked to golang, seen its pro's and cons. Know how to get around these cons and squeeze out all the pros it has. As a backend dev, I have an option on the frontend framework or fullstack (like next etc) ecosystem. Imho it's largely overcomplicated stuff and needs so much ceremony and configuration to get things going and deployed (compared to a single golang binary) if you didn't do a npm upgrade in a week or 2, your application is broken; probably just a skill issue :) Anyway, im "sad" to see you move away from the golang language because, imho you were one of the best teachers out there esp. for the beginner audience you were mentioning. Like I said before, I agree with you; if you want to be a top programmer and stay at that level, you should be able to program in most languages. Outliers aside. No hate here, all love bro. Your neighbor from NL ❣

[@laurosantana1477]

this line at 16:05 it's something really nice, I have five years of experience, I made projects with Java, C++, C#, Python, JavaScript yarayara (lol) and one year programming all time with Go, I really enjoy using Go, I feel like I am getting better as a programmer because I diced to focus in one and just one language, actually I found your channel because of Go, and what you have said is a really true thing, after a lot of years having a main language, you will had knowledge for changing anytime you need.

[@benitoe.4878]

As someone who is really into Go: There is really no need to apologize for not building a frontend with a backend technology. I also use neovim. And notepad++ when I must... All good, Anthony. Good to see you're back. The website project: Joi by Wallace Coperation (the new Blade Runner) comes to mind. Dystopic.

[@dwighsonPavion]

I choose my programming language based on the raw performance thats required to deliver.. which is usually just JavaScript. When the language becomes the bottleneck, thats when i would switch to something like Golang or maybe even kotlin

[@SirMo]

I'm writing a Web app right now in Go and HTMLX. You're right it can be tedious. But my issue with picking languages I'm not that familiar with for a production site is that I'm just not familiar with the tooling, and when you're new it's easy to make simple mistakes. A web app is customer facing, I'd be worried about introducing cross site scripting vulnerabilities just because I'm inexperienced with the tech stack. To experiment with a new language I usually pick something non-customer facing. Also man I've used PHP over 20 years ago. I know it's a different language now basically, but I have moved passed PHP so many years ago.

[@StalinGino]

Give svelte a go!

[@SebastianSativaLivemore]

Well said! I couldn't agree more and the world needs to hear this.

[@alexandreprince3883]

whatever tool you use, the most important thing is to love what you do

[@o_glethorpe]

wrong, does not matter if you love your job if you cant feed the kids

[@gh0stx000]

Easy, just find a better job If you don't like your job why are you even there 😅

[@ntgrv]

Do you have any tips for switching from JetBrains IDEs to Zed and other more simple/open editors? I just can't bring myself to do it despite liking them more aesthetically. Goland is just so much more powerful and ergonomic than Zed, Cursor, VSC, etc...

[@amadeuscam1]

Sublime text with lsp-servers is very good choice

[@emptycode1782]

What tip ? Maybe just do and fuk around with the editor for sometime, thats the only way you can figure it out.

[@tintin537]

Hey Anthony I'm realy glad to see you again and I'm you with this perspective as uncle bob said the languages and databases we use are the tools in an engineer's tool kit. The important thing is to make the job done. some times you can nail something with a screw driver but if you know how to use a hammer it would be more relevant or you can screw something with a kitchen knife but if you do it with a screw driver it would be so much easier or you can peel an orange with a surgical blade but it is more relevant to do it with an ordinary knife I hope you get the point 😀. so welcome back Anthony.

[@adhdadventure]

Do i understand you correct that you have stopped using Go forever and now gonna do only javascript. Or is it only for this project.

[@StalinGino]

Have you tried svelte?!

[@Rcls01]

Went from backend to frontend.

[@pguti778]

Can I program in Cobol?

[@joselima7655]

Cant wait to see the new content!

[@madmaxdev]

Must watch video for juniors.

[@jackkorovev5217]

Ruby is the language. Rails is the framework. Rails is "magical". Ruby is just magic.

[@nexovec]

You know you could have something like stimulus for the high interactivity UI on the frontend right?

[@zbmarius]

Does it have _prettier_ / eslint ?

[@fabrizio.dipietro]

But what language did you use for the backend?

[@alexbork4250]

Next video: why I dropped JS and started PHP

[@adibhanna]

I agree with this mindset. use whatever language that can get the job done. use any editor that makes you productive.

[@vitezslav.lindovsky]

Last few years I found that the best was to create API-first app, and use it in React/Angular/etc. And you can have just one API, for programmatic access, frontend, mobile app, ...

[@weeb3277]

If you are switching from Vim to Zod, why does the title say VSCode?

[@anthonygg_]

Good title keyword. I'm a marketing genius

[@qazyhn94]

i think drop JS for Go is more expected thing to do, editor w/e, vs code is just fine no memory leaks if you have normal pc but you use typescript which makes it "OK" but its anyway js so function is an object, good luck!

[@user-dz6il2bx5p70]

I have tried Zed. It has long way to go until it becomes as good as vscode.

[@rationalityfirst]

Even longer until it becomes as good as vim.

[@nahfamimgood]

Go wasn't your problem HTMX was.

[@minma02262]

Ahahaha. I was surprised a frontend problem became a golang problem.

[@Maratreason]

In general, it’s a pity that you abandoned video tutorials on Rust. It would be cool if you made a playlist where you create the same blockchain system in Rust as you did in Go. And compare the speed of both systems.

[@daymaker_trading]

You are amazing. Thanks for this video!

[@PaulSebastianM]

The delay is your prettier. I had this with lazyvim too but just moved to astronvim and it's instant.

[@erice.3892]

i’m always open to an alternative to JS for a heavy interactive front end, but at the moment it’s the best option. maybe there will be a wave where WASM takes over, but for now use JS.

[@gomo5628]

Love you man, your comment about people abusing others because of the tools they use. For example i wanted to disagree with you about VS code, but then again i rarely code for that l0ong, and rarely type with such speed as you do. So i do belive in your own personal use case, that tool doesnt fit your personal and business needs, and with the tempo you work, i bet any slaggishness causes a lot of frustration. Do your thing bro and dont worries about radical fan boys and girls of tools, they didnt choose, but just followed the crowd, and even with that cant take 100% use of those tools.

[@boxicool]

whay OS do you use?

[@entrenadore21001]

mac os

[@Zeenixx]

I totally agree with your view on many influencers, so many noobs today that just want to make some money. I remember the days when I could rely on most of the, at that time, youtubers. Not today… Today, you really must be careful and selective with the information you are getting, just a friendly reminder.

[@ncpurge789]

I'm seeing a lot of butthurt people in the comments 😂 Guess this is what happens when an audience of Go programmers feel betrayed because a content creator changed languages.

[@ncpurge789]

@ That's literally what I just said. Its what happens, its normal. What gives you the right to call me foolish when all you did was just repeat what I said.

[@FirstYokai]

@@ncpurge789 Oh I'm sorry I misunderstood your comment. I thought you were a js kiddie who just hates go. Sorry again

[@ncpurge789]

@@FirstYokai Nahh fam, I do use JS but I also use Go. They both work well together and its not like its a secret, which is why I find seeing either side attack one another so amusing.

[@FirstYokai]

@@ncpurge789 Yeah it's annoying. It's like those Android vs iPhone fanboys who don't understand that both sides have their benefits.

[@ncpurge789]

@@FirstYokai Exactly. Like a lot of things aren't even mutually exclusive. Just because you use one doesn't mean you can't use others. I have both an Android and an iPhone. I use both Windows and Linux. I pretty much had my fair share of JS, Go, C#, Java, Rust, Python, C and C++ experience. Like to me, the people having these sort of one is better than the other arguments just shows me their lack of experience in actually trying and exploring the options. Like what are they even comparing? Speed? Features? Syntax? Things like programming languages are very complex and although can be general-purpose, are defined by the creator's values and original intentions. Like if I can make my own "perfect" programming language, I'd want a particular syntax with a particular set of features with a certain way of doing async and error handling, and maybe I want to compile to a single statically linked binary or maybe I want it to be an embeddable scripting language or maybe even run as bytecode on a cross-platform runtime. Like at the end of the day, it may be perfect for me, but even then people will still hate certain parts of it. This is why we have options. We use what we like and whatever fits our use case. Anthony used Golang for many projects and he likes it. Now he's working on something that he found JS to be more appropriate or pleasant to work with, no problem. If one day he decides to write a kernel-level driver with Python and he likes it then hey, all the power to him. Yet most people always seem to make it a point of contention when they see other people use things or have things they don't like. TLDR, watching fools rage over something that isn't even a valid premise is amusing.

[@ayoubtahir2116]

Its simple Golang for backend and JavaScript for frontend, its bad to use Nextjs or Remix for backend, you will have a real issues in long term.

[@moggedau]

lol why is that??

[@ayoubtahir2116]

@@moggedau using js frameworks like nextjs allows you to create API routes but these are meant for lightweight server side logic not complex backend tasks like handling extensive business logic, managing large databases, or processing heavy background tasks.

[@moggedau]

@@ayoubtahir2116 yea but 99% apps don't really reach that level. Node environments are great for IO operations too. Agreed they falls short on complex operations / calculations but I'd think for the majority of applications they are fine. Right tool for the right job, no need to pull your hair out if something runs 1ms faster than something else

[@lazyh0rse]

I think htmx is still great, but it won't take you very far with golang. Golang is unfortunately a rest api language, you can't create large scale websites with golang unless you have a team. I currently use laravel, but planning on using ruby on rails instead. I'm currently on the fense whether to go react route, or rails route? Both are better in their own ways, but react have it's pains, and rails also have it's pains.

[@debadipti]

I see a lot of people mad, and I understand why. But guys, at the end of the day you will at what did you built. So, love the process, aspire to build great products, build something of your own, beyond love for xyz tools.

[@mkum2141]

Please tell me the title is clickbait..

[@johndoe4016qweasd]

can confirm about some kind of a memory leak on vscode after russians had started to bomb our infrastructure and outages kicked in energy efficiency became crucial and it appears that after some time vscode starts to eat more energy than even browsers (I always have at least 3 open since I have 2 jobs). as a result I began to lose 2-3 hours of live time switching to nvim might happen in the future but zed is definitely a go for me now thank you for the video and welcome back Anthony!

[@artgrowth]

but why not Angular?

[@bartukocakara7794]

from 12:00 to end is gold

[@aadarshkumarshah8795]

Thankyou

[@meryplays8952]

OK, he changed programming language. Not a big deal. If it fits his use cases, then the choice is correct. The Golang videos are still there.

[@BenedictSebastian-tt9vd]

Welcome back!

[@igortalic2021]

Wait, what happened with his company? Why leave and sell all shares? 😮

[@wilsonhobbs1920]

he quit doing go tutorials right as the algorithm started recommending them, which is why I subscribed like a month ago. but this video tells me we're not getting any more of that?

[@David-xy4nw]

zed is great but lacks two major features, telescope style grep search like in nvim and error lens, after those features, I do not see a competitor

[@jaymason7097]

Man this comment section is so lame. I wouldn’t blame you if you stopped making content after this one. I’m happy to see your humility and not being afraid to show you’re a work in progress man. Me too. Bless you brother.

[@gh0stx000]

I know right. This comment section is full of dummies, sheep. My first time being this surprised at a comment section. Just goes to show how much incompetence is out there.

[@sylarfx]

people hate on youtubers because they dont have anything better to do in their sorry lives, who gives a f*ck what you code in as long as you have fun and can live of it

[@rubyciide5542]

Now we need primes reaction to this

[@savagor]

Preach, Anthony! This was a great video with a good message. Just solve the effing problem, stop jacking off a single language and the influencers around them.

[@vitiok78]

Just you wait when the client-side state hits you... Been there. Don't want to go back

[@guttenbergovitz]

🦀Actually... you convinced me: I'm switching to RUST 🦀

[@johnlawman566]

"...the iq of a mosquito..." :D :D Did not expect that!

[@hardikmaind9833]

nextjs is more of a cashcow product now...its optimizations only work when deployed on vercel

[@underflowexception]

You prob have Auto format on save maybe... easy fix as for people getting angry about using something other than GO, I can kind of get behind it as most people are subbed for GO content.. you are the GO to guy for this kind of stuff :D I do agree that GO is not ideal to go with a React back-end. I'm working on my first API now that is going to be paired with a React front-end and everything is very tedious. No mature ORMs Sending JSON, Validating Requests seems like 2x the work in comparison to Laravel or even a TS/JS back-end

[@tom_edc]

I like the message, great video with a great message.

[@donateus6743]

shiny trends come and go

[@germantoenglish898]

Great advice...thank you!

[@ir8293]

Wait till he learns that remix will be discontinued and some parts get merged into react..

[@erice.3892]

could you do a video on where/how to host AI models, how many you need, how to distribute traffic across them evenly, etc.

[@dukeofnorfolk1842]

He'll regret it after he's done with the ai wrapper site

[@daviarantes5325]

Honestly, those are pretty good reasons for going to javascript. Don't listen to all the soy devs imposing political views and strong opinions. Just solve problems the best way you can find man.

[@jeffreysmith9837]

Use prettierd (prettier daemon) instead of prettier for fast format on save in neovim.

[@anthonygg_]

Thanks!

[@SaiyanJin85]

People people people, don't be dogmatic. be happy for him that he tried something else. a real programmer always needs to try new tools and languages otherwise you get obsolete and single minded, obviously Anthony didn't abandoned Go...

[@GOD9494]

ronaldinho is the best by the way :D

[@БулатАшимов-и3с]

can't wait for Tanstack Start v1 release