Anti-CAS Helicopter At 9.3?! - Z-9W - War Thunder

[@jetnavigator]

Based on my service record in the Z-11WA, it will only take another 818 games in it to unlock the Z-9W lol.

[@desserted5446]

Ouch. Same

[@Jake-dh9qk]

To put things in perspective, that's about two months if you play 15 games every day consistently earning the same amount of research points. Almost 60 days of grinding vs just doing 3 ubereats deliveries in 2 hours and earning the money to just skip the grind

[@yuluoxianjun]

you can go to play PVE heli.that will make you grind faster.but i chose to use money to get my Z10 already

[@bigoof1105]

You could sell part of your soul and purchase the Z19E during christmas sale. That thing kills everything, especially planes.

[@farmcat9873]

I do believe that to the fullest cuz i been threw that and on the Z-9WA now

[@MAV_509]

The drone is used for three things; revenge kills, scouting for teammates, and for people who don't have CAS at the BR they're playing.

[@112mirai]

Im the 3rd lol, 10.0 ground ussr but the yak 9u is the farthest plane I've got

[@shizukadoitsukitsune1919]

and being a free kill for the ito90m and tor (stating these 2 because of the good range and radar angle)

[@bigoof1105]

Poor man's cas.

[@justamicrowave2572]

@@shizukadoitsukitsune1919 Even with the XM975 I can still shoot down drones before they can manage to get in range of the battlefield.

[@captainfactoid3867]

@@112miraijust take an effective vehicle that is even close to being balanced

[@howard9189]

The TY-90 is explicitly made for helicopter air combats, and that's why its low-altitude performance is so great.

[@brisho2684]

I'm not usually a fan of helicopter gameplay but this video was really entertaining! I like the mix of ground and air instead of just an all air video.

[@pignbird4007]

For true helicopter gameplay you'd want to check out a channel called Bruce Leeroy

[@shikikanaz4624]

tip: if u get a night battle go to option and turn gamma correction all the way up, makes it easier and brighter

[@tianhaoju4634]

81x optics is actually rly fun considering my time on the A109EOA-2, it has I-TOW which are slightly better and the same 81x optics, can literally target the exact hatch I want this missile to land

[@captainfactoid3867]

It’s honestly too much sometimes. I rebound my scroll-wheel to zoom after playing that heli instead of collective. Going from the A.109 optics to MI-24P/V or Ka-29 is painful though

[@Hazey652]

The thing is Chinese heli's while not bad against ground are more suited to the close air patrol (CAP) role and while having TY90's at 9.3 is very funny only having 4 of them can be quite awful if you run into a lot of su25s with their magic DM or god forbid a Mi28A that sees you (ty90's struggle for tracking them frontally for some reason + their stupid DM = death). So in short, never feel bad about TY90ing people because that's what these helis are designed for; anti air duty.

[@TheHouseSpeciaI]

So long as CAS can spawn camp tanks, I don't see the problem. I don't even take ground ordinance and first spawn TY-90s to keep the skies clear so that my teammates can actually play their tanks. Really relaxing way of playing when you don't feel like sweating and the angry DMs are always worth a laugh. Just wish Gaijin would buff Iglas, Stingers, and Mistrals perform similarly so I could do this w/ more nations. Edit: Looks like one of the CAS players I downed in-game made it to the comments below lol. Thanks for the encouragement! Going to get back on and TY-90 a few more planes. ))) Edit 2: He's adorable. Look how he keeps going.

[@OhhhLucien]

"Really relaxing way of playing" while the spawn camp for CAS is everything but "relaxing". Like you say : this is not even a challenge for doing that and the worst is you are proud of yourself. Just a terrible pretext for miserable pilots. I teamkill every Z-19 I see doing that, and i'm really satisfied then.

[@bigoof1105]

@@OhhhLucien There are many "skill-less" and "broken" ways to play this game but there is NEVER an excuse to teamkill. Teamkillers are rabid animals and they will be treated as such. Remember that, goblin.

[@pigeon5520]

@@OhhhLucien i'd like to tell you a very welcoming fuck you :), teamkilling,regardless of vehicle is intolerable, the only time where team killing is fine is when its just banter with your friends, thats it. No reason to team kill someone just because "me no like [insert vehicle]".

[@OhhhLucien]

@@pigeon5520 I dont kill every Z-19, I kill the Z-19 camping the heliport.

[@OhhhLucien]

@@bigoof1105 Blablabla. Yeah, baseraping everyone spawning in air without any kind of risk and with 100% of success is better. With 8 missiles you cant even dodge. So healthy... I've seen someone with 407 air kills for 65 deaths with that Z-19 (15 ground). Another one with 369 air kills for 61 deaths (7 ground). And the little boy will cry for a teamkill ? I could also call your way to play (which is absolutly miserable) a cheat.

[@Ko_Kasumi]

Seeing this thing makes me want a OH-1 with properly working Type 91 Kai missiles to help fight CAS, don't even care that said heli can't really ground pound there's not many great CAS options for Japan anyways so might as well get another anti cas option.

[@vitokhait9696]

I know that CAS shouldn't be OP, but these Chinese helis r really annoying with their AA missiles.

[@fuahrahn]

2s38 that what really annoying 🤦🏻, no rwr, no sound, no tracers, u just dying.

[@ArcticWipeout]

CAS getting annoyed is glorious. Now they know how we feel.

[@phantomvulcan2206]

Z-19E'S are annoying

[@ArcticWipeout]

@@phantomvulcan2206 CAS deserves to be annoyed

[@shini44-44]

I know we all hate being spawn killed by cas but the difference with cas being spawn killed is it costs like 700+ sp for a jet.Tanks only cost 100sp to 300 on later spawns. Cas should be slightly more survivable. Fact is it's really hard to stay alive as cas now and most the time someone spawns cas they die leave the game and that team loses because they can't spawn a tank anymore

[@Hlant31]

i laughed super hard watching them fly in then the sound effect when they hit lmao

[@ArcticWipeout]

I love the fact these missiles exist. There's nothing more satisfying than wiping the sky clean of cas that's been screwing your team all game.

[@mayto420]

the Z-9WA is even more insane its 9.7 with Missile Approach Warning Thermals 2x the missiles of the Z-9W

[@ty8012]

the ty90s have been nerfed to hell so im not so escited for this heli anymore

[@reinyfrost3753]

still cracked

[@captainfactoid3867]

That missile launch at 9:23 is so satisfying to watch

[@sebastijanglozinic8630]

I used to love this baby in Wargame Red Dragon! They could shut down a heli rush real fast.

[@johnmarek1103]

Love the effort on the vid, good job

[@howtodefeatisis1015]

A heli that isn't cancer for ground but specifically CAS? Beautiful

[@Mocha_122]

TY90 struggles to lock on drones and fighting Ka50s will oftentimes require 3 missiles to kill them since ka50 countermeasures are immune

[@EndOfFragNet]

at least finally some AA missles that actually work....

[@MaraAmaraaaa]

Tips. If you know there's a Chinese heli with TY-90 camping in the heli pad, bring rockets! Start firing the rocket as you go for him. He wil most likely to lock the rocket motor than you. If you have flare, start flaring before he launch.

[@lemonjuice5187]

You should see the z10 with 16 x TY90...

[@webbwarrior1805]

hey justin! congrats on 50K subs!!! been loving the content!!

[@darrellhartanto4428]

Anyone who plays Z-9W and only brings AA missiles is a true team player. They cleared drones and CAS and let ground players do their thing without getting jump scares by drones ATGM or CAS obliterating you just 50 meters from spawn. I really think it's 9.3 because of its piss-poor ATGM. 250m/s 3km range is well within SPAA and 2S38, BMP-2M, and Chadley, in addition, to manually guiding the missile. If you don't bring ATGM, you can do nothing against the ground and only air. Unlike the Mi-28 or even the Z19, separated by 1.4 BR...

[@addedcheese]

I think the only time I've ever used a drone is if I lack a sufficiently high tier CAS for that nations and every time it feels scummy AF. But to return to the topic at hand with helicopters. Seeing the Z-9W I think it might not be too much to ask to add the OH-1 since it would have a very similar gameplay loop. If they added the proposed attack variant (don't know if that one was actually built or not?) it could touch ground but not very well and it's primary purpose would be anti air

[@arnowinchester591]

I've had the Khrizantema eat DM53 to the front with its fuel tank. It's ridiculous. And I don't mean it produced no shrapnel. It STOPPED.

[@icy3-1]

I see Fenestron tail rotor, I click :3 Seriously tho, why is the TY-90 at this low of a BR? Flares literally don't help against it and it might as well just be shorter ranged, IR guided Vikhr that can only be used against aircraft xD

[@farmcat9873]

Im not gonna lie but you should be happy you have them Ty-90s against su-25s all-aspect missiles cuz that's pretty much all that Heli has going for it and its big times whatever view and agility but that's all it has really. But the Z-19 gets a lovely bunch of 8 and then the Z-10 gets the 16 but against everything it sees that's really nothing cuz the Ty-90s don't lock on at 6km for me barely ever it's more like 4.5km ish if im lucky. But the HJ-8C at only a 3km distance is not that great, hell that's too close and it flies so slow that if you got a coherent enemy player you are screwed. But most at that BR get at least 3.75km distance or 4km. But the 9.7 Mi-24p and such gets them great R-60MK all-aspect and 5km Shturm. But i guess Gaijin has to equal it out some how But hitting that Khrizantema-S in the front wont really do much with the HJ-8C it will just get eaten by the fuel tank.

[@feepe6651]

Congrats on hitting 50k 🎉

[@jmaddy3]

IR mssiles need a buff against helicopters tbh can easily pick up fast or slow flying planes at 6km but a 1800 degree turbine on a heli, nah need to be AT least 3km for it and cant lock uavs until they are 3.5km and closer definitely needs a buff to all seekers for more range

[@cabbageashthe1st594]

I love the concept of Schrödinger's CAS: CAS is terrible for ground forces, unless they're on my team, then it's completely fine

[@elcousteau3441]

"No armor, best armor!" * get destroyed by fifty cal*

[@IowanLawman]

Mistrals need to be buffed at this point.

[@TomPrickVixen]

My only problem is the china heli tree starts at 8.7 when it has a great lineup at 8.3. And u want to stick to 8.3 so u can avoid the 9.7 gold-noob dumping, and there isn't any decent CAS near 8.3. Your best option is a shitty IL-28 clone, and a garbage F-84G. Also the Z-9WA is even stronger, + thermals, and u most likely end up on 9.7 anyway!

[@hyrikul602]

What a magnificent French helicopter. I hope to see it one day in the French tree.

[@bigoof1105]

No TY-90s though. 😭

[@hyrikul602]

@@bigoof1105 Yep but mistrals. Better than stinger, and they are inferior in WT than the real stats

[@bigoof1105]

@@hyrikul602 going from ty-90 to mistral is like trading a tiger for a house cat. But I guess that means the Dauphin would be lower br than Z-9.

[@azorac7188]

The best thing ever since the second coming I HATE CAS

[@cablebooth5344]

love the content Justice!

[@pendraig5446]

I hate that air to air missile, it doesn't even bothered by soft kill APS

[@boltzxz]

ayo JustinPlays playing a line up of more than 1 tank?

[@elcousteau3441]

AMAZING VIDEO as usual ! You talked about the Tigre HAd, could you do a vid on it ?(neen a while) I really have an hard time with it, seems really overtiered.

[@Northern00]

It is, it’s worse than most 9.7 helis with its slow missiles, lack of missiles, and awful self defence ability with its gimped mistrals, I hope he’ll take a look at it since at 11.0, it’s awful. Even the 10.0 HAP is overtiered, especially since it lacks a lineup between 9.7 & 11.0

[@elcousteau3441]

@@Northern00 I think u are true for the had but the hap is fine exept the lack of lineup

[@jackbui2944]

@@elcousteau3441 Yeah. I think the HAP is fine, albiete, inferior to most helis at the br.

[@Aquila.]

Jesus these Missiles are Crazy. Imagine putting them on a Plane :O

[@JoezMama]

Amazing video!

[@uisce_]

Fucking love this helicopter

[@v3es473]

Everyone else gets stingers/iglas/milans Chinese helis get a rocket-powered crackhead

[@kerotomas1]

Those aa missiles are just doing their job and knocking in to check their social credit scores.

[@husqvatcho]

this heli looks so freaking awesome

[@J_K944]

I mean you did spawn camp the entire enemy team at the start of the first match, but sure the revenge spawn drone was the toxic one.

[@JustinPlaysTV]

Side of the map, well away from their spawn location. Got it.

[@Rocky-bq1dq]

@@JustinPlaysTV it was still their spawn however, not your fault map design ++

[@JustinPlaysTV]

@Rocky55 I absolutely agree. These maps were not designed with modern vehicles in mind sadly.

[@sliverjian3113]

"HJ" is the initial letter of Chinese Pinyin, maybe you can understand it as some kind of phonetic transcription? Its actual meaning is "Hong Jian" and "red arrow"

[@sliverjian3113]

"TY90" means "Skyswallow 90"

[@mrjamesho]

Literal flying sam site

[@PvtPartzz]

That’s gotta be the best IR missile in the game.

[@farmcat9873]

that French 9.0 Gazelle gets the mistral 6km all aspect AAM and that's an even lower BR then this Chinese Heli and get the Hot-1 with a 4km distance. So this French ones a bit better off by the looks and more agile

[@bigoof1105]

Mistral is infinitely worse than TY-90.

[@sophiamhartsfield]

This might be a weird request but could you play the ZTZ59D1? It's kind of slow and unwieldy but I actually don't mind it, however I would love to see a pro play it so I can start to get the tactics a little better lol

[@DeffinitlyNotFBI]

So this thing can first spawn with 4 aa missiles? Just don't play ground at that point and completely deny any plane 🤣

[@Eyeless_Camper]

My favourite helicopter, i often bring it out just to fuck with CAS players.

[@kaveman6143]

How are you so maneuverable with the heli? Mouse+keyboard makes me feel so sluggish. Are you using Joysticks?

[@Tanker000]

People who says Russian Bias don't exist they never play near top tier

[@ImChrisl]

Im 100% sure. Some ppl get they mma placed so low! That they get matched alll time Vs bad players.

[@ricardogunnz2]

Helicopters are hard to get a lock on, unless it's russian made. Those you can lock at 4-5km easy.

[@antoniovillagomez980]

Ito 90m video?

[@raizencore]

Bruh, wtf are these AA missiles? Haha, it feels unreal that this thing is just 9.3 with these missiles. 22:16 lmaooooo I can't

[@splabooshkey3343]

Maybe it's an unpopular take but i fully believe that no helis should have an auto lock on feature Maybe it's realistic but the game would be much better balanced without it

[@Martel_Clips]

ruining the day of groundpounder is good in my book and you don't see that many Z9 anyway

[@sirh0213]

AT 20:00: lol! I'm sorry, dude, that's messed up.

[@stagnantwater9035]

I use the drones to kill the spaa first then use my plane to do my revenge and wreak havoc haha

[@kevmeister6466]

you can be flying a me262 and eat a missile that's from half a century later🤣

[@nekotoriprime]

This missile is actually broken and there is no counter to it. I once dived on a Z-11 with my engines off since 30s prior with basically no heat signature. It still locked and tracked me through the flares altho the game says my heat is pretty much room temperature. I stopped playing the game at this point cus Gayjin keeps adding bs like this

[@thevikingranger1114]

I'll start working on china soon. Gotta get some people seething in the chat lol

[@UnicornstalkRGaming]

Day 1 of telling Justin that he always gets night games.

[@Paul0Grech]

Why is it that those missiles can do great, but the MANPADS suck so much!?

[@Rmmmmmmmmmmk]

The missiles loft at the target so they get less drag from the thinner air up high

[@oz314]

It's 10.00 now...

[@watamelon1457]

Make cas players cope.

[@stagnantwater9035]

All 3 premium tanks died in a couple of seconds lol

[@Karin_kakudate]

It got up tiered to 10.0 sadly

[@yuluoxianjun]

19:55,lol,average moving wheels cant do some damage

[@joeyjo-jojuniorshabadoo6827]

Fair and balanced, as usual.

[@yuluoxianjun]

consider its poor agms,i think 4 ty90s is a balance way

[@vickan7820]

HOW do i cap my fps to 144 in war thunder

[@yamatokurusaki5790]

Meanwhile german 9.3 helies be like 🧑‍🦯🧑‍🦯🧑‍🦯💥💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥😊

[@bubba9r]

Can you say way overperforming missile system! lol.

[@exactinmidget92]

haha the missile is just silly.

[@ericbencusmagnusfabricius3499]

I hate top tier... so schtewpid xdd btw gaijin is mostly hungarian now... bias always depends on the hype of the new stuff not the nations

[@skilz2kil528]

Actual Russian vehicle bias hasn't existed for years, their stuff is just as squishy as everything else now, often times even more so. But they just have absolutely cracked lineups at most br's due to the number of vehicles in the tree - leading to inflated win rates. Granted that krizantema eating a couple of missiles was scuffed but that is an extreme exception due to mind blowing luck and not the rule.

[@Gozif_Ali]

❤BMP2😢😢

[@josh1139]

Am I the only one that doesn’t even spawn in a drone even if I have the points. I just think it’s a badly designed game mechanic.

[@WarDaddyUSA]

I mean, it is pretty good for taking out air vehicles. I see him on the kill feed all the time. But I always drive the Abrams, and they cannot kill me even with two or three missiles.

[@yuluoxianjun]

yes,its AGMs only contain 2kg TNT

[@lunlas76]

Let's be honest, you'll never be in a 8.3 Battle with a 9.3 lineup...morel likely 9.7-10.0 with all the premiums at these BR's. I'd rather have better atgms for the Chinese helis tbh. Take away TY-90's on this heli and it will be worse than Alouette II at 8.3!

[@slimrummy4616]

Man you deserved that drone strike, you literally smashed there spawn right from the beginning of that match... I can deal with a drone strike, but spawn camping is a cancer at top tier, no respect for the that.

[@jhonatanjohnson7769]

Z-9 WA next!!!

[@zhijianyan139]

chinese tanks and heil is a tourture in game, don`t just focus on how op TY90 is. the other thing in chinese tech tree are all been "changed" into a lesser version than reality, chinese new vehicles never have a time period to be op when they are newly released. i think the main reason is that gaijin is a russian game company, with ridiculous russian bias. bvvd just can`t take the fact that chinese are now having more advance tanks and planes than russians, i believe everyone would agree with me if you been overwhlemed by those 2s38 and t72av and su25. this kind of russian esteem would eventually kill this game. everyone want to join great russian fed in game, but in reality, noone want to, because if so you would been sent to urkrine with real russian vehicles that preform in a REAL way, which sucks.

[@potato4825]

im trying to get this heli and i want to ask what method did you use to grind this out? im doing ground rb and have 150k done but it is not even halfway through

[@sirswede366]

Try heli PvE

[@boilingpot6941]

I mean, he most likely bought it with GE, but I would too if I was a youtuber

[@sirswede366]

@@boilingpot6941 Justin has CC perks, he can ask for specific vehicles and Gaijin will give it to him. With some limitations ofc, like the E-100

[@boilingpot6941]

@@sirswede366 Exactly, he is given benefits from Gaijin as a content creator

[@danieldacko5148]

Play some T series buddy than you would say that RU bias dont exist either

[@EBBEBBEBBE]

Don’t agree on the pleasing homeless Chinese theory, the reason why Chinese server was shutdown is because no one plays it and majority of Chinese player is already in the international server.

[@phantompotato99]

the ty90 are just broken good luck flareing or dodgeing it

[@shini44-44]

I cant explain how much I hate chinese helis, 90% of the time I die in a jet it's to a ty90 from the z19e. The other 10% is from the 2s6 Adats or the 2s38. I understand cas can be overwhelming but missle spaa at high teir destroys cas before they can reach the battlefield

[@shini44-44]

A 2s38 that cost 100sp to spawn absolutely destroys my jets that cost 700sp with ease it's kinda scuffed

[@shini44-44]

Z19e presses 2 button and gets easy kills on a jet, jets on the other hand have to watch for missles non stop and be ready to flare, not fly in a straight line at all, maintain speed to be able to dodge missles all while trying to look at the ground for targets, it's near impossible

[@Sebastian-yl7nq]

Skill issue, "JuSt SpAwN sPaA" to destroy that heli, come on do it! What if you, maybe, brough out your plane into Air RB? Tankers aren't there to serve you as a stupid piñata, we want tank on tank combat and not "Get hit by 2000 pound guided bomb" combat

[@shini44-44]

@@Sebastian-yl7nq yea I play tanks main and I get it, there honestly should be a tank only mode but gayjin won't do that, and my point is cas and missle spaa are not balanced and ty90s are broken for the br. I'm not saying cas should be able to murder every tank they want but they should be able to evade missles from 8 km away. It's the fact that a z19e, sits under the air spawn and insta kills a 800 sp jet

[@shini44-44]

@@Sebastian-yl7nq and if you can't understand the point I'm trying to get across then you clearly aren't very bright

[@marklester1106]

Why dafuq are you spawn camping 💀

[@funniestalexv]

China atm jas the most undertiered helicopters

[@tg6234]

not needed but as usual will come into the game and make gaijin confirm their decision about helicopters and their AA capabilities, just wait until all helos at this BR have AA missiles, stop defending this shit and call them out, its not right for the game and needs to be removed the fact that this helo at 9.3 has IRs is stupid, prove me wrong looking forward to the defences in comments below also make a video on the stupid 70$ premium (lol) or do you need a paycheque that bad?

[@nikoclesceri2267]

found the CAS spammer

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@nikoclesceri2267 You realise the Z19E can take out 8 ATGMs and 8 of these TY90s, this thing is CAS that you nearly cant kill with ground SPAA or planes, so no, it is dumb.

[@Fjordzera]

@@aflyingcowboy31 Sadly BA-9 atgm kind of sucks lol

[@Hazey652]

CAS Player's crying that an anti air vehicle kills their free kill machines (CAS) will never not be funny.

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@Fjordzera not really, they are better then what the Alouette gets, and the alouette is one of the most deadly aircrafts at its br, it is pretty dumb how people are anti CAS but are fine with this, seeing as it is worse then most CAS, because most SPAA at their BRs can do anything against them.

[@amoose1709]

Bf4 anyone?

[@prius_power]

Early squad

[@trewfrgthyujythr]

first

[@Kijby]

These chinese helis are so annoying. I would not complain if they only kill CAS, but they usually destroy ground first and ALSO destroy fighters trying to intercept them....

[@Northern00]

Vikhrs are still worse but the TY90 is a close second, both of them being stupidly strong

[@Kijby]

@@Northern00 IMO TY-90 is worse. Becaue it's FnF and doesn't even trigger the RWR....

[@TheHouseSpeciaI]

@@Northern00 Vikhrs are usable for anti-air, and great against ground targets. TY-90s only shit on other aircraft, which is absolutely based, so not really a competition here.

[@bigoof1105]

@@TheHouseSpeciaI I love it when players take out their advanced 4th gen aircraft or heavily armed strike plane just to get slam dunked by a little recon helicopter.

[@Northern00]

@@TheHouseSpeciaI I meant in terms of AA abilities, since both of them mean that helis which mount em have virtual immunity from planes trying to shoot em down. TY90s are harder to dodge but vikhrs have no smoke trail so you can miss em in a head on, also anything with vikhrs also has a radar guided 30mm gun which is DISGUSTING in terms of hitting planes going mach 1.1 on the deck