When China Still Carries its Weight - War Thunder

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

If there's one Egyptian vehicle I wish was in the game, it's the Ramses II. Which is a modernized T-55 with the 105mm gun of the M60 Patton, a laser range finder, night vision for the driver & gunner, fire control system, Continental AV1790 V12 engine, smoke grenade launchers, and more.

[@liladoodle]

Probably would be a premium for either the USSR or China.

[@NathanPa-xo3zj]

Ramses II curse 😂

[@Kwisss]

@@NathanPa-xo3zj RETURN THE SLAB!

[@KonstantyKiebasinski]

sounds like an upgraded Tiran 5

[@KonstantyKiebasinski]

​@@CARLOSGAMER-mi9lb 1. the jet is syrian 2. its 10.7 3. the egyptian jet is a 9.3 prem

[@AllericEnslin]

Man, that camo on the VT4 is absolutely gorgeous!

[@liladoodle]

Now if only Gaijin added the Wan Cheng II into the game. It's just a bobblehead as a tank. An M24 Chaffee turret placed onto an M113, with it's primary role as a fire support vehicle.

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

There's so many M113 variants Gaijin could add. Like my top five: An Australian fire support vehicle variant which has the Saladin turret on it, an Israeli variant armed with 6 Spike ATGMs, a Swiss variant with a 20mm Oerlikon then upgraded with a smoke grenade launcher and RISE power pack, a Norwegian variant armed with the M40 recoilless rifle, and a US variant with the 37mm T250 gatling gun on a lengthened chassis (T249 Vigilante).

[@lograzenslab2320]

Isn't that called WanSheng? Sheng is the proper pronunciation for 乘meaning "vehicle" in Chinese

[@mr.catcatsang]

​@@lograzenslab2320 It's Wan Cheng (萬乘). Cheng(乘) is the correct pinyin in Chinese.

[@lograzenslab2320]

@@mr.catcatsang 萬乘之國（ㄨㄢˋ ㄕㄥˋ ㄓ ㄍㄨㄛˊ or wàn shèng zhī guó） I believe they taked that name from this, am I wrong?

[@mr.catcatsang]

@@lograzenslab2320 oh you are correct. It's Sheng if it pronounce after Wan. After checking it is indeed Sheng, my bad.

[@anisaliu3443]

Regarding the grind and low tier: if you started out with China like me it's the opposite: at low-mid tier you get so much crazy variety with the best vehicles of US and USSR, that looking at US and USSR techtrees feels like the same thing along worse vehicles to grind through.

[@thatoneguy1741]

I started WT as a German main got around to 9.3 then decided to abandon ship and go to China. Since I haven’t grinded US or Russia, China just seemed like the logical option to get to experience a bit of everything.

[@6old_YT]

Z-9WA got buffed recently now you can lock the AKD9s onto targets

[@mayto420]

starstreaks actually got buffed massively recently, theyre extremely good now

[@cl3matis]

you're shitting me, really? does this mean the Stormer actually is vaguely ok now?

[@MikeyJakson]

@@cl3matis against planes its amazing just its not good for killing tank

[@Boris_The_Turtle]

Yeah this thing is being used in SQB much more now. It’s a lot stronger versus aircraft it’s a good change of pace.

[@foxlightwt]

thanks, will check them out tmrw

[@JetS_Gamer]

Played the stormer yesterday, after hearing about the buffs, still terrible and only really effective against helicopters

[@whiteshark450]

Glad to see China getting some love 😀 Now if one snail would add the ZTQ-15 then it would be perfect.

[@YahyaAhmedSiddiqui-x1k]

Also they should add the pakistani MBT-2000 upgrade, the Al-khalid MK1

[@6old_YT]

ZBL08 too pls

[@anisaliu3443]

VT-5 as premium please!

[@shikikanaz4624]

​@@anisaliu3443NO.

[@shikikanaz4624]

Vt-4 squad vehicle. Especially that most other nations now have top tier squad vehicles

[@DappaDox]

YES FINALLY CHINESE LINE UP THANKYOU JUSTIN

[@MellyMelly7]

The first nation I ended up being dedicated to just because of the versatile line-ups throughout the tech tree. It's amazing that China will soon be receiving the M1A2T in the future.

[@jb7483]

M1a2 export models meh, no armor package

[@Malinovyyy]

​@@jb7483 The point is that China will soon have the best of both NATO and Russian tanks (albeit an export model).

[@TeterPiago123]

@@jb7483 in game they are all the same, right? The armor should be something like the M1 aim

[@tyykthunder]

Proud Chinese main it needs more love

[@themilkman8554]

Agreed. It is already very strong now, but just needs more tanks/other unique vehicles to back up lineups.

[@shaggings]

China is so damn strong especially at 10.7, issue is with teams cause 10.3 exists...it's hard to win...

[@lecroco-kp4oc]

Ztq-15 soon hopefully!

[@themilkman8554]

@@lecroco-kp4oc When do you think? It's been talked about on WT forums for years...

[@lecroco-kp4oc]

@@themilkman8554 honnestly if things are going at a normal pace at Gajin, I believe it’ll take a year or so. They really could use a modern light tank.

[@themilkman8554]

They neutered the 99A in this game. It should also have an APS system (Which is on the model in game- the thing that you put the Drone on top of) but they never modeled it to be functional.

[@mr.ballstone1914]

99 and co. should all be better than they currently are. They need their spall liners considering how weak the side protection is. There are numerous modeling errors with the Mantlet and LFP as well

[@AllMightyKingBowser]

Additionally, several reports from Chinese players prove that ZTZ99 variants should have -7 degrees of depression instead of the -5 they currently have.

[@themilkman8554]

@@mr.ballstone1914 Yes they should have spall liners too. Regaless, everything at Top tier (11.7) should have spall liners.

[@Fazbear-qy8mo]

@@themilkman8554 French, Italian and USA in top tier: 🥺

[@themilkman8554]

@@Fazbear-qy8mo USA is good... just bad players from what i've seen.

[@MandaCoster]

Man, I'd love to see Ztq-15 and j10 in next patch China is fun for me

[@Registered_Simp]

China honestly just looks like a better Russia ever since they got their IFV. Better tank handling with basically the same firepower, every MBT 10.7 and up having good thermals for gunner and commander, LWS, and a reverse gear their Russian counterparts sorely lack... You also have competent enough CAS to deal with basically every SAM (yes, every...) if you play your cards right on top of the fantastic tanks.

[@MozzaBurger88]

Yeah, I don't know how the T-90M and BVM would be superior to the Chinese MBTs as Justin says considering they have better mobility, clearly better turrets (Justin got destroyed E-Z in his state of top tier RU compared to China, I don't understand his personal *ahem* bias towards Russia XD ) with the rest being samey-same. I see slightly better backup vehicles as well (unless we're talking specific premium tanks RU has) Really what makes Russia at top tier is its disgusting air capabilities way more than its tanks.

[@themilkman8554]

@@MozzaBurger88 Yeah China is def better... the mobility being the main thing.

[@Registered_Simp]

@@MozzaBurger88 "Really what makes Russia at top tier is its disgusting air capabilities way more than its tanks." And by that same token, the USA (Plus, Abrams is actually good and reddit refuses to acknowledge that). That nation, even without any changes should be doing way better than it currently is.

[@mayonotes9849]

​@@Registered_SimpIf you ignore US mains stupidity, US has one of the most versatile top tier lineup with basically every plane being capable of very good CAS while USSR only gets MiG-29SMT and MiG-27K for CAS. Although for helis USSR still dominates.

[@Registered_Simp]

@@mayonotes9849 Russia has the *safest* CAS option in the Su-25SM3 which can just choose to not come in range of SAM fire. But in terms of frag potential and versatility, F-16C beats it out. The Abrams is just as fast as anything else with equally great handling. It has a great reload with equally great ammunition. Tank is also more survivable than reddit would have you believe. Yes, she's squishy by NATO standards. Still better than a T-72/80/90 when playing against someone with good aim.

[@zhuoyaosong2319]

idk why but the dtc10 doesnt like to one shot anything....... and with the slowest reloading speed at top tier it frustrated sometimes

[@jaxrammus9165]

yeah but turret armor that doesnt get lol penned by any except the 292

[@tolora6919]

It's the players that are good, not the vehicles. Numerous bugs have been reported, some are approved but basically none are fixed.

[@acatfish1251]

thx for playing china top tier, they really need some love

[@wolvetica]

did you know that the Challenger 3 TD has a bug just under the cheek on the left/right side of the turret, where you're able to 'bounce' a 50cal into the turret and take out the crew.

[@h.a8681]

Starstreaks are quite good now, ive been using them before they inevitably get broken again

[@frankieM_]

the type-90s had a little silly moment and gaijin removed all the spalling that occurs from their NERA, but if you shoot their left side where the gunner is, you can get the gunner's optics to spall like normal

[@DanielSantos-vm7ib]

Can you show your graphics settings, I'm having trouble seeing the enemies, I can't adapt! But when you watch the video in 1080p, I can see it better than in my game.

[@Bolagnaise]

Are you sure you dont have DLSS enabled?

[@DanielSantos-vm7ib]

@@Bolagnaise I use it disabled but it's still very difficult to see.

[@shikikanaz4624]

​@DanielSantos-vm7ib have you tried turning sharpness up or anti aliasing on/off?

[@interpl6089]

USSR doesn't have 59% Winrate, it's like 40%...try it yourself. Some people on Reddit did better tests than Thunderskill and found out that USSR has the *SECOND WORST* winrate just after USA. (Just notice in this video how often USSR loses)

[@shikikanaz4624]

Probably due to brain dead players who brought the t80s and most of the good players left to play Germany or Sweden for the Leo 2a7/122b

[@jaxrammus9165]

ive been grinding my china and jsut got my zbd04a tonight, but otherwise 10.0 and i love em, the turret armor is stronger than others and they look good :) i do think its one of the biggest nations they could expand to give more utility and versitility. love china but they do need to flesh it out

[@somerandometanker3455]

Chinese players are boycotting gaijin and storming steam reviews for gaijin to fix the 99A's model errors, and fix the reload speed

[@JustinPlaysTV]

Ok

[@undersandpaper8541]

poor Leclerc driver at a sabot petal at 12:01

[@shaoyanghuang6016]

I think the copy & paste nature of the tech tree what actually makes it unique. You have both western and eastern vehicles wrapped up in one.

[@CR055H41RZ]

I think the weakest thing about the chinese vehicles are the 7.1 second reload missing out on that .6 second reload really hurts their competitiveness at 11.7 a lot but by far the strongest thing about the chinese MBT's are everything above the lower front plate being even more impenetrable to the russian MBT's and the mobility in reverse to take advantage of those strong upper hull features

[@IM_8685]

Justin talking about realism and the versatility of China in WT and stuff ,Then in the back ZBD04A casually phasing through. 24:20 🤣

[@markfrost5164]

He always says I wasn't trying to get a revenge kill but I'm starting to get a feeling he defenitaly was

[@Goofygoofgoofproductionsgooflo]

I love your Lineup videos, keep it up.

[@Not_Octopus]

I have always called China a “different Russia”. But a bit rough before 8.0, after of which the lineups are wonderful.

[@BearcatThunder]

Awesome video as usual! When do you stream on twitch?

[@captainfactoid3867]

As someone who player Russia first in Ground RB, the reason China is one of my least played nations is that while it has some cool stuff, compared to the USSR tech tree it has so little unique stuff

[@capax1559]

Yes but still fares better and is more multi role on some tanks.

[@zzMizZzt3Rrzz]

Tho I usually main Italy and France, I studied China in grad school so I like to play their tree I almost got the J-11 and ztz99a

[@dartawnasailo4449]

If u ask me,, I love the looks of the top tier Chinese MBTs

[@raizencore]

Chinese top tier is like playing Russia but 20 times better, the tanks feels way more responsive and they are slightly faster which makes a big difference.

[@steveee_0]

No idea how the Sadley is a higher BR than the ZBD04... That thing out classes the Bradley in nearly every aspect...

[@ghostic3011]

Not sure tbh maybe it’s the tow bs but I’d say the zbd is significantly better than the Bradley

[@steveee_0]

@@ghostic3011 i completely agree!

[@sloppyjoe9422]

They need to change up what nation you are teamed with. Sick of carrying USA teams and as Sweden we get stuck on their team most matches.

[@minecraft653]

I know this is going to be a very strange request, but if you have the time could you make another video on Tor M1? I'm very close to it, and honestly it is the sole reason why I started grinding the chinese tech tree

[@ghostic3011]

Tor is very fun , has very good missiles. Has a blind spot directly above it, has a 10-30km radar. The missiles exit the tor in a unique and fun way overall very good aa

[@Eason66677]

If gaijin fixes the model error of China’s top tier MBT and the armor gap between Breechblock and the real penetration of DTC10-125 printed on its instruction manual, then it will be playable💀

[@404dne]

ngl even though the tanks are not top tier, some planes of the china tree are absolutely nasty also ty(op)90 do be a thing, your best spaa dont strictly have to be a ground vehicle😂

[@dangerousfhantom7464]

Can you do a video on top tier Britain? Thanks!

[@capax1559]

China numba wan ! Jokes aside this is my main country, love playing these tanks they literally have everything they need to work well.

[@y.m.9277]

Tbh, Justin you are too good. First of all, not everyone has the JH7 and the Z10. Secondly, as you said, it's more like a secondary nation for somebody who has already owned let's say US, Germany and USSR top tier. Thirdly, ZTZ99A and LCT has larger weakspots, they are like the challengers with bad lower glacis without the breach armor which you literally get killed through the turret cheek by that type 90 in your Flanders gameplay. And to make it even worse than the challies, 7.1s/-5 degree, no more explanation needed right? They can get the job done if you are good, but one mistake means death. It's like Russian with no spall-liners and no ERA on the side. If you are trying to brawl some other MBT, a rule of thumb is, if their barrel point at you, or aim at you, for more than 1 second, you are dead 100%. This is my experience in the NA server with only 40 ping and usually 0% PL. I bring out my ZTZ99II/III out first, plainly because their profiles are low and they work like the T90M. ZTZ99A/LCT? I only bring them out when I'm in a very concentrated mood where I feel excited and trying to do something, but I still accept my fate of "TURRET FLY HIGH!". Like literally 1 shot in to the hull from anything above the Strf 9040C will make the turret fly to the sky.

[@ForceOfChaos1776]

2:26 can’t wait to get this so I can use this camo too. Imma use ur creator code in store

[@mohmeerofares4520]

I think not many players are playing China because they don't know how powerfull it can be

[@themastrofall]

Play the British AH-1 Apache with Starstreaks at start of ground RB match and then farm all the light tanks, then call it garbage 4 APFSDS ATGMs at start of match, in a helo

[@PanzerSteinn]

Justin, after grinding Germany and USSR fully, should i go for china or USA, i want to but a prem :)

[@benmarshall1376]

So is America not worth grinding I’ve done Russia and wanted something fast with armour but didn’t want to be boring and follow the meta with Sweden and Germany

[@jessesmith8079]

Do you spawn camp in all the videos you make?

[@UDDB-o8i]

The real question is: Why playing Chinese? In US you could have one of the best CAS most of the time, and tank is not bad. RU, after cold war tanks were dumper truck, presing W and ez win(not really, but you know what I am saying). I'm not familiar with the rest of them, but only for 11.7, JP have the 4s shots and good speed, SW have unkillable 122, RU have nasty bvm and t90, US have CAS but what does the rest have? UK, FR, CN, IT, their mbt was... really hard to say To be fair, I think CN is not that bad, but not because it have any advantage of the CAS or BMT, only because it has enough CAS, Helicopter, BMT, and AA at the same time, so far only 3 country in the game could do that, that is US, RU and CN Playing CN just terrible, MBT has slowest loading, worst APFSDS, week armor(most of it comes from model error. And also other shit tanks on other level, sure It have some good tanks, but Goddamn BVVD just making everything terrible

[@UDDB-o8i]

I have never paly UK or IT, but I hard they have good CAS? For FR I am not familiar about it You might notice I missing one, I am also not familiar with them... but for personal experience, they were really hard to get them in one shot(NO IDEA HOW TO DO THAT, doesn't have anything special meaning)

[@shikikanaz4624]

No hate on your opinion but I feel it's because china has some of the best versatility of all nations. Sure it doesn't get the best of best like fancy aim120s, aim9ms, vikhers etc but it has such nice br brackets imo makes up for it. 9.0 you have the ptl02 which is still an excellent light tank (ogs will remember it being at 8.0), excellent ztz88s, aft09 etc. At 10.0 you have the ztz96's with the zbd04a and the z9w with ty90s (extremely op at these BRs) and at 10.7 you get the z9wa, mbt2000 (with new alkhalid but it's a premium so...) and ztz99II/III

[@UDDB-o8i]

@@shikikanaz4624 well I think you are correct, China did have nice mbt at 9.0 and 10.7. But I think most of the players were playing China for its top tier.

[@MrAcuta73]

Re-visit QN506? Still terrible? Considering Spike are still awful, guessing it is too.

[@ghostic3011]

The qn502 are extremely good at dealing with helis, the 30mm is well a 30mm has apfsds so they pen sides and light tanks, the the 201s are beam riding but have lower pen. They still do pen and are good at tacking out tracks and cannon barrels. Overall not worth the money but a very unique vehicle. I enjoy it personally

[@adrian7886]

Hi, for me as a chinese main, it is worth it to grind it, I have so much fun with china and i Hope gaijin add some other strong vehicles to the tech tree.

[@canadianwaffenwaffle2976]

ngl wonder what warthunder will be like if ppl used the VC function more

[@Wolffjaeger]

50% off + 3% more? Sure i guess, i could use that 3% to buy food honestly

[@Eunski]

How do I get the decal behind Justins VT4. The yellow hair one.

[@ghostic3011]

Believe it’s the Chinese ground decal I think , came out on last years PLA day but don’t quote me

[@skaylars]

They should just artificially buff the brooms neck like they did with russian blackhole ammoracks. The game is not designed to be 'realistic' with boom sticks basically touching each other (close combat fights aka sword fighting) KEKW

[@kju520]

Go play steel beasts ugh ugly.

[@jb7483]

When i roll out in china top tier i get decimated because of 1 tank Abrams wonders.

[@NATSUKI.09]

"video quality not available" 😢

[@olivierawashish4841]

Damn the z10 I want it right now

[@Villy-dv5yn]

you dint do so bad? you GOT 8 KILSL!

[@moistpaper]

Does anyone know when the console pack sales are going live ?

[@k33pg0ing3]

Who's decal is that on the left of the turret 6:14 🤔

[@anisaliu3443]

UU Girl, Chinese clothing brand

[@janchovanec8624]

People don't like to play Chinese tree because for the most port, if there is a dodgy shot involved across the map through trees and foliage, 9 times out of 10, it's a Chinese player.

[@Великий_Кукурузо]

Im really like chinas top tier, its had everything: good tanks, amazing CAS and funny chopper. JH-7A is best cas in the game in my opinion. TY-90 is one of the best spaa in my opinion, coz no one expect it in right position. MBT are Soviet style, but had good reverse.

[@lukasz9341]

I have 15 gaijin from the jaguar is so ima get 10 more and buy a turm 3 with your code :D

[@prayogaputraa.3018]

0:41 yea, I've never seen u playing low BR with sucks vehicle too

[@Frost_x_NB]

How low do you have to be for missiles to not proxy? @15:28

[@SerroBourne]

i believ its 12m

[@JacksonBohne]

pleas can you play the qn506 in china pleas

[@xfgusta]

Great-britain next!

[@MozzaBurger88]

The TY-90 basically makes the Z-10 a flying Strela. Shame on you XD

[@6old_YT]

Best minor nation in game maybe if it weren't for Sweden Top tier

[@LunarsX]

Anyone else notice the plz help lineup?

[@bruhbruh3847]

ztz99 is strongest mbf for china

[@محمدزیدونی-ج4غ]

Omg.esseblack to secund battle was me 😅😅😅

[@alessandro_pelliccione6674]

Can someone explain to me how can I use rangefinder for 100mm cannon?

[@hardstyle4life394]

I was playing USSR 11.3 this whole event time and most of my battles VS USA we lost ,either we lost in first 2 minutes or somehow they push us back after 15 minutes of loosing and spawncamp us ,also many battles when USA was on my side we won, so I don't know from which ass Gaijin is pooling that winrate % that is a total BS

[@notestine0221]

There's a good reason I didn't even bother with this Chinese TD...

[@BARelement]

Why was USSR even brought up with those win rates 💀. Sweden bias I guess right? Or no?

[@sam-ur7fo]

happy to see people playiing china

[@eafasdyyhgesghserg]

Play the ikv 91-105 day idk 5 or more of asking swedish midtier is often just let to be forgotten kinda like china italy and france.....no peraon ever even remembers they exist

[@diddiparty]

ZLT-11?

[@CulturedHeaven]

How much GB is the game ?

[@anisaliu3443]

~54 with low graphics

[@Krytech420]

why is his ping so high, seems like ping abusing

[@unknownwatcher4583]

Top tier america is just tragic

[@ShyeHD]

starstreaks are OP af rn, wdym 10:36

[@toothlessDJErcik]

starsteaks are op in AH64

[@Apachichichi]

why would you play china? reverse gear

[@shahram_kh]

try out the ztz96 its op for sure

[@zacharyhoman3597]

Bro a Bradley can go through it’s LFP

[@shahram_kh]

@@zacharyhoman3597 bruh. But everything is 1 shot for it because of its insane velocity an pen at 9.3 br

[@zacharyhoman3597]

@@shahram_kh yes it’s has a very good round for the br, but the slow t-72 reload, a slow reverse gear, and a large breach/mantlet weakspot. Yes it does well at 9.3 but the moment it goes up to 9.7 it’s basically just playing at 10.0/10.3 for 85% of matches. Most stuff at those br’s have equally good rounds and will go strait through its turret cheeks and UFP. I’ll be honest most of the time I prefer using the cm11 as it also has a very good round and has a great reload and better reverse, plus thermals are nice

[@shahram_kh]

@@zacharyhoman3597 but still my average kills are 2-3 even if the snail hates me 😂

[@DADAS-y2x]

Justin im the Gabbelabe how did gaiji broke your phone 2fA

[@Arielyedidi]

Please do kurness 2000 cas

[@benmarshall1376]

Welp looks like I might add to that American stats, my wallet is getting a little losing on summer sales

[@sethbowlin3554]

Of course the pantsir is the best it has a range of 20km while other nations have a max range of 12km it’s completely bias

[@tenta5573]

do britain next bro

[@lionblocks]

I bought the Ztz96a (p) and never use this😢

[@J4ckmaestro]

yeah I think people don't like china as a country so they just don't play it in war thunder

[@BARelement]

Also were those Type 10s that you fought in that first match that you frontally penned with 0 spall, and no ammo cook off despite breaking the blowout doors frontally? Where’s “Japan bias”. But let it be Russian it’s “Russian Bias” all up and down the comments. It seems this phenomenon is only okay that this happens with some NATO aligned tanks… It’s so weird lol. I don’t even like Russia but dalmn is it weird asf to me 😂.

[@GxldStXrDxst]

The top tier is very unique .. the planes too ... From 1til up to 9.0BR r they copie paste .. For top tier 👍 a grind worth it to 💯%

[@ufeelinselfrighteous8470]

"Carries it weight" 😂😂😂 You mean they get Gaijin carried, because in real life their military hardware is "questionable" at best

[@user-dd8vo7or2d]

Source: Radio Free Asia Sheep

[@zacharyhoman3597]

Up until 7.7 I’d say china is boring but after that it may be my favorite nation

[@sekunda9253]

My Chinese boy came back!

[@hellono6501]

0:45 Then in that case ThunderWar is 100x better than you.