Increase your riding skills on a motorcycle (part 3): How to brake on a motorcycle to lean/turn more

If you guys want to increase your leaning skills, like tight turns, U-turns, brake when the bike is leaned, lean with less chance to slide, etc, don't hesitate to contact us and do a training course with us :
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One of the first part of the Energetic Drivability: how the use of the brakes, by modifying the geometry of the bike, will influence a lot the handuability of the bike.Thus, knowing how to use them will help you to lean/turn tighter :)

[@battlemorph]

Awesome explanations, especially at the end. Thank you, thank you, thank you:)

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

You're welcome, I hope it will help :)

[@tabsumkhadka4763]

Man this channel is so underrated

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

lol Thank you :)

[@realdaybreaker8013]

Incredible - have been banging my head around to crack this riddle of "when to brake while leaning"

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

lol so you did like it :)

[@user-ri4xb7ze2f]

Absolutley usefull information to get the confidence, Thank you

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :) This other video can help you too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fH6mi6SHg9-JpK8

[@glynhannaford7332]

I had no idea that the brakes would help with those turns in ways other than shaving off speed, so as to better enable the lean required. Amazing demonstration, thanks to all involved.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

You're welcome :) I am glad if you learned something :)

[@mnnic4292]

Brilliant! Thank you. Looking foward to the next video. Cheers!

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :) It will come later, be patient ;)

[@jackk1583]

Always good instruction. Thanks for posting.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :)

[@minimutt1000]

This is the missing link. It seemed like other cornering instruction was more mechanical and this feels flowing. Good stuff! Thanks!

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :) I am glad if it can help :)

[@julianblock5436]

Well explained and shown by example, very helpful, thanks.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :) I hope it will help.

[@sucramsucram3558]

Thanks, it's a nice day here so I'm going practicing!

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Cool :) Have a nice training

[@sucramsucram3558]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite thank you, it went well. I'm getting a little bit more confident falling into the turns.

[@clubmanswiss5720]

I was in your 2 days course this year and your professional instruction helped me a lot. I want to find enough people in Switzerland to invite you to come here for instruction courses. Thanks again for your excellent work. André

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Hey André :) Thank you for this kind message. I added a Guestbook page to the website, if you want to leave a comment about the course we did together. antipilotedelignedroite.fr/en/guestbook/ If you can organise a course in Switzerland, sure, please let me know :)

[@michaelbanditt2438]

Count me in. How many people do you need?

[@clubmanswiss5720]

@@michaelbanditt2438 We have now a group training the moto gymkhana every Sunday at 10 a.m. in Kloten Flughafen. see web moto gymkhana swiss.

[@jdhsingi]

Thank you very much for presenting this information. It is well explained and very much appreciated. Thank you.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

You're welcome and thanl you for this kind message :)

[@andreydemidov5286]

Engage rear brake, front brake, release the front brake just before, fall into the turn releasing the rear brake - do enjoy!!!!!!)))))))

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

@@andreydemidov5286 Or you can release the front brake step by step in the same time you are increasing the lean angle, and if there is still too much speed to reach full lock when you are leaned, you can use the rear brake :)

[@MrFeb15th]

Thanks for this video!

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

You' re welcome :) Don't hesitate to look to this other video, it is the last part of the serie : kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX_Un2SLhdZ-oKM

[@MrFeb15th]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite thanks man, watching it now

[@MrFeb15th]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I tried technique on this video and it's great kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXrbXqODmLuXpdU

[@davidnoob9421]

you are AMAZING!!

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :)

[@enhinyerorider5914]

I trained Motogymkhana in a Versys 650 and a CB150R. It was actually harder on the CB150R to achieve steering lock because of the need to have finer control on the brakes as it was easy to over brake on the lighter bike. There is also the expectation of tighter turns on the CB150R which really sets the bar on how tight it and the rider can really turn.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Hello, my apologies, I just saw your comment, I never received notifications from KZbin, and yours like many others just appeared in the "comments" tab of the channel... Yes, on small bike, it turns so much that you have to slow down more to reach full lock, and then, it could be hard for the engine... but on this kind of bike, you don't need to reach full lock rotation to turn tight :) Here you can see the difference between the cb125 and the gsxr1000 :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHulaHubiNZ1aMU

[@enhinyerorider5914]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite no problem with the comment, I have the same issue on my channel sometimes. It’s fun doing gymkhana in a variety of biles and actually help improving of skills. Ohh thats a new video yey! No notification from youtube despite being subscribed already..

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

@@enhinyerorider5914 oh, so bad for the notifications... It was good that I send you the link, then :)

[@ErosSirianni]

The most difficult thing here is the most important: accept the feeling of falling!

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Yes, it is explained in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXrQZJiLbrF1kJI

[@fatbudgiekillen8997]

Wish I could travel to you for instruction 😀

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Or you can make me travel to you ;)

[@fatbudgiekillen8997]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Bringing you to Australia may be more than I can afford :D

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

@@fatbudgiekillen8997 Please find other trainees, it will be costless lol

[@Erosgy2406]

Hi, I am a great follower of your magnificent videos, thank you for sharing so much information! I have always wondered whether you could give us some guidance on how to turn so tight going either uphill or downhill! In mountain roads, where I always end up trying to enjoy motorcycling, there is so often impossible tight bends on pretty scary slopes . . . and I do not know how to handle them, your videos always are on parking lots more importantly on flat terrains, whilst one finds it difficult to turn going uphill or downhill . . . specially worrying going up, since the bike has the tendency to fall . . .unless you take the bend very open, which is sometimes very dangerous given the lack of visibility on incoming trafic . . . CAN YOU HELP?

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Uphills and downhills will essencially modifie the speed. So you'll need to be able to adjust your speed in real time during the bend. In downhill, speed will increase, so you'll need to be able to brake when the bike is leaned, to control your trajectory. In uphill, speed will decrease, so you'll need to be able to use the throttle. So, skills are the same than on flat ground, but dosing will be different :) So first, master basics on a flat ground, but don't work on u-turn, work on skills. This is how we are working during our training courses.

[@Erosgy2406]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite point taken.... Thank you again! Does your school remain opened despite the CoVid?

[@andrewyeomans5691]

Hi, loving the videos watching for hours on end, very interesting techniques, would it follow to ride bigger bikes you would have to increase body strength? Have been practicing, found it a little nerving letting the bike drop at first, find it a lot smoother with a little more speed.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :) This new video I just released can help you too, I think : kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXrQZJiLbrF1kJI If the bike is heavier, or bigger, you don't need more strengh, because the weight doesn't matter. Only the frame and the center of gravity will ask for different strengh from the user :)

[@andrewyeomans5691]

Thanks so much for the reply and the new video brilliant, enjoying it very much, when’s the next one coming out 😊

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Heu it will take me some time to do the big next one, I think :(

[@billaderski4427]

Thank you for an English version. Two questions.... 1. How does the linked brakes on the RT affect the initial front suspension dive. 2. What lean angles are you achieving on the RT? I have an RS and would like to have a goal angle to get to.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

You're welcome :) 1. It is like you can't have the advantage of the front brake... so it is like you have "only" a rear brake. So it is very good when the bike is leaned. 2. The last time, I touched the foot pegs in the big eight exercize, but I don't know whoch angle it is :)

[@billaderski4427]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Thank you. I was hoping you had the Nav 6 or Motorrad app on the RT. It shows the angle during a ride. Ill just try to scrape the pegs! :) Thanks again! I appreciate the videos!

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

@@billaderski4427 Oh yes, a friend of mine had this on his BM, but it was not a RT :)

[@Zerk_Ziegler]

Great video -- thank you! Question: after you compress the front suspension using the front brake in a straight line, do you recommend INITIATING the turn using counter-steering or by simply leaning the body into the turn?

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Thank you :) I don't counter-steer: I need to elt the handlebar do its own job. So I lean my body into the turn, but not only lean: you need to have a lot of strengh into your butt muscles and in your legs :)

[@Zerk_Ziegler]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite Much appreciate the reply. I've been counter-steering in and then letting the handlebar turn on its own. I will try just leaning in instead.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

@@Zerk_Ziegler :) I can add this (hopping it is clear, because it is hard without demo) : You need to lean in to crush your weight on your inner buttocks (so you need to sheath the buttocks and back), and at the same time, hold your weight from the fall of the motorcycle with the help of your outer leg.

[@Zerk_Ziegler]

@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I believe I understand. You are shifting your the weight to the inside of the motorcycle, applying the rear brake (at first more and then less as the motorcycle leans farther), letting the handlebars rotate on their own, and at the same time pushing on the outside foot peg to counterbalance somewhat. Correct?

[@marcmondragone8649]

AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite I think your technique is ok but countersteering generates a fastest lean action necessary in case of emergency to swerve on possible obstacles or vehicles on the road.

[@hornet224]

Tapping lightly on your front brake doing this on a clean and flat asphalt surface, but do it on a normal street with bumps, reverse curve, gravel, and sand, you are going DOWN. Use the rear brake only.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

The fact that you felt using the front brake is this kind of situation doesn't mean that everybody will fall... On race traks, they are braking like this (even more) even when the track is wet... More over, in France, during the test, they have an emergency brake test, and they have to do it even if it is raining. Last thing, the parking where we are training (not the one you can see on the video) is full of gravel. Oh, and in the video, when I do the u-turn with the cam showing the front fork, it is on country side...

[@atypical_moto]

I'm currently in the phase of not trusting the front tire traction enough to turn harder. I need to get back on a full street tire.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

In any case, be smooth to try, and the key is to be able to brake with no strengh on your handlebar :)

[@yt9njp]

Thank you Clément Are you always in second gear?

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

You're welcome :) No, I am most of the time in 1st gear, but it depends on bikes

[@ostbob4108]

Why do you have them doing the big circles around the cones. How does this help in making them be able to do tight turns? What's the next step?

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Big circles are not as big : 7m wide. And the key is not to do them, the key is to be able to do them with no pressure on the handlebar, first. Then, it gives them enough confidence for the next step who is to brake when the bike is leaned. If they are to much slow, it is useless to brake, and if they need to push the handlebar to lean, it is dangerous to brake. At the end, the combination of lean angle and brake when the bike is leaned will do the speed and tight turn.

[@warhawksupreme749]

Yes I can master this with training everyday but one thing im afraid of is while I am practicing this and suddenly my bike fall and my coverset scratched or pedal brake gone twist if its hit the ground..I have to use my money again to spend fix all of those :((( Is there other way to not fell of from the bike??

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

The key to not fall is the self rotation of the handlebar :)

[@marcmondragone8649]

As long as you don’t lock the front brake while doing a u-turn below 10 miles an hour it’s ok . For trail braking is ok. Body position and counterweight depends on speed . For short slow u-turns counterweight is ok . For higher speeds counterweight to the inside of the bike like knee drag style but not that exaggerated.

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Counterweight is useless, at low speed, especially on big bike. As you can see it on the video, I am doing u-turn without counterweight. The key of the balance is the rotation of the handlebar. This is why it is harder to uturn with a sportbike than a BMRT.

[@marcmondragone8649]

AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite . Umh . Very interesting your technique. I have seen your videos many times before but had not pay atention to that . I’ve got to watch them again and study your techniques some more .

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

@@marcmondragone8649 Several years ago, I was doing counter weight, but now, I know it is useless :)

[@murddraals]

It also depends on the speed (momentum) you can carry with you inside of the turn.

[@FlameHazeist]

​@@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite How tight of a u-turn did you manage to do on your GSX-R1000? The tightest I could do on my R1 with the stock clip-ons was 5.73 m, and that was just counterweighting and coasting (momentum), no braking. I'm curious in what difference braking and leaning into the turn make to the turning diameter.

[@andy484995]

what's the smallest radius figure 8 you can do ?

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Depends on the bike lol

[@andrey0770]

great! but what about gas? where is its place in all that scheme?

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

It is a video about how to brake, not about gas. I think this video can give you more informations : kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWGvmaCFad2DfrMsi=qDKlxgHhAn-v7GKa&t=1137

[@davidlmf]

You replace the clipons of that bike? the handlebars look higher

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

On the gsxr1000, yes, I raised them. It is not a straight handlebar (I don't like that), it is still clip-on, but higher, it is better for the health of my back :)

[@ostbob4108]

is there anyone teaching this method in the USA and close to Arizona????

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

I don't think so, I got several mails from people coming from the USA (and somebody from Los Angeles already came here in France to follow a course with me), and they all ask the same than you. This way of riding is very different from the "occidental" way of riding. I think that you can learn it in Japan, alone, or here, with us :)

[@itsmubarak6524]

😍

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

thank you :)

[@danielleo38]

how about scooter? are the same ?

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Yes, sure, they have 2 wheels and an engine :)

[@GolumHD]

Je comprend pas comment le frein av peut il même légèrement être activé quand on tourne sa tombe directement c'est la raison pour laquel il faut pas freiner surtout de l'avant pendant les virages

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

Et bien la preuve qu'on ne tombe pas à chaque fois qu'on freine en virage... d'ailleurs, même les pilotes sur circuit le font. Cette vidéo existe aussi en français, si jamais ça peut vous aider ? après, il faudra la suite pour comprendre comment ne pas tomber, en effet :)

[@grumpysquid]

Very difficult to understand so the written parts because the English grammar/sentence structure is lacking. Would b better to include moving diagrams to explain ALL those parts step by step. This technique looks SO GOOD but too bad the translation makes it difficult to understand to learn. The producer/writer needs to collaborate with someone to correct and edit the sentences and explanation

[@AntiPiloteDeLigneDroite]

The producer/writer thanks you, but he doesn't has to much time (as he is working IRL to train people), and asking people needs money and time too...