VS | Darth Bane vs Darth Vader

Who will win out between these power duelists?
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[@alec1020]

People r really underestimating bane, the orbalisk armour is op, darth zannah herself said that he was basically invincible while encased in it

[@BenAri18]

As someone whos read the bane trilogy, i still think Vader wins, well Bane was one of the most formidable duelists in sw history and was trained by one of the best duelists, Vader surpassed Sidious in saber dueling who was according to Yoda was an evolved sith lord as Yoda didnt expect Sidious to be so powerful when fighting him, however with the Orbalisk armour Bane might stand a high chance but with Vaders metallic arms and thus illuminating the chance of Vader getting tired and Vaders superior force power id say after a tough battle Vader wins

[@LaughingDepressed]

but also dont forget vader even if vaders suit did shut down he can use the force to substaine his body for SEVERAL hours.

[@ericklajara8641]

+Brains Brawns thats why when sidious was shooting lighting at Vader in ROTJ he still got killed by Vader

[@Cc0le45]

Executive 1 Vader turned back to the light and was no longer using his hate to keep himself alive. He let himself die

[@jakealter5504]

Brains Brawns true but Vader didn’t have anything that could negate the orbalisk armor

[@brianedwards6733]

Jake Alter Force choke

[@badcat6767]

@@brianedwards6733 He would have trouble breaking Bane's force wall, if he could do it at all.

[@ArikGST]

Okay, I am gonna sound like a Fan-Boy here, but I largely disagree with your Opinion on Vader. While he was known as a Power-Duelist, he actually became more of a cunning tactical duelist over time, fusing his several styles together, and mixing them, to be able to suit any situation. To his physical abilities, Vader was able to lift a human male WITH ONE HAND, without using the force. While this was a strengh given to him by his cybernetics, I still think this is more than Bane was able to do. Also, while he wasn`t able to move like a dancer, Vader was able to generate a huge amount of speed if he had to, dashing forward, using fast and precise foot-work and jump high and far to overcome obstacles. Bane was a strong unarmed fighter but Vader was aswell and I guess they balance out in that area. Talking about his force-abilities, while I think Bane was certainly strong in this area, Vader was a genius. He was able to outright attack the minds of his enemies, stunning them with fear and come in for the final blow. He was able to batter them with several objects while simultaniously attacking them with his lightsaber. Okay, Bane was able to fool his apprentice Zannah in the mace when he led her around by the nose but on the plain battlefield, this won`t come into play. Bane`s only edge I see is his ability to generate force-lightning, which IS a weakness of Vader, but if he sees it coming, is easly defended against by just holding his lightsaber in the way. Vaders Suit is also not such a great weakness as you make it out to be. It gave him a constant dose of painkillers, high amounts of oxigene and thus gave him the ability to walk through pain and keep going. He also clad it out with material to defend against lightning, though I don`t know how effective this was. He was also able to function for at least a while without it, so even if it was damaged, it won`t stop Vader. And to taking pain! Vader survived being cut to pieces by Obi-Wan, he survived being buried alive, he survived the vacuum of space, he fought countless Jedi and other enemies and was never really beaten dispite his short-comings. He was insanly experienced and learned from his defeats, he took everything he had and put it together in a package, that made him one of the greatest duelists of all time. In my Opinion, Bane would certainly take Vader to the edge, but in the end, Vader is the better Lightsaber-Duelist and the more versatile force-user. He has done everything to overcome the weaknesses of his Suit, and archived the greatest ability he could in this area. I call Vader a bleeding, smoking, battered victor. Btw, excuse my english, I am from germany, and thus my english is not perfect. Also, this sounds like a rant, but I just wanted to give my analyses of Vader. Check out the other Versus Series Channels and look at their Videos on Vader and you will see why I hold him in such high regards. Greetings and have a nice day. Dunno if anyone will read this, it came out a lot longer than I wanted to xD

[@AntoineBandele]

Your english is very good! You made some extremely good points. I think I may be a little hard on Vader because he had all this force potential he never realized as a Sith or a Jedi. I do agree, I think he's one of the greatest Sith duelists of all time. I don't know many Sith who can beat him on pure lightsaber skills.

[@platinumhoster1313]

He'll yeah Vader, would destroy bane.

[@jeffdp8441]

Antoine Bandele being the "chosen one" and all, i would say if vader were pushed to the edge he would be capable of anything, his father was the force lol. im talking like supernova repulse attacks, moving planets things like that. but then you play force unleashed and he's easy to beat lol.

[@ArikGST]

I am starting to consider that I might actually make a Video Analysis of Vader. I get the feeling many do not fully grasp what Vader was capable of.

[@jeffdp8441]

what he's capable of should be limitless, even in his mr. roboto condition

[@AntoineBandele]

+ You are right, Vader's prime should have been during ESB-ROTJ.

[@pvtspartan]

What's your opinion of him loosing to Luke in rotj? Was Luke really that strong at this point in time? Because I just don't see it. Obviously for the story to be as cool as it was that needed to happen but, was it just luck or skill?

[@aedanb3663]

you know I think that if anakin had become a fully-fledged jedi and practice his force skill, if he wasn't so arrogant and not so close to pal patine he would become the best jedi ever. anyone agree?

[@xThe_Wendigo]

Aedan B I'd say that is pretty obvious considering he was essentially created by the force thus making him the most force sensitive being to date. Had he taken his training seriously, he would have been the most powerful jedi of all time or had he not been crippled and needing a suit to survive, would have become the most powerful sith.

[@unendingvoid]

xXStretcHXx I think Vader let him win because of a plan. I mean you know Sith love doing that right?

[@connorshaw1624]

xXStretcHXx i dont think vader was using his full potential to kill luke he didnt want to kill luke cause vader still feels for certain others and does not always look inward.........i believe he did not wanna kill luke cause luke is his son.............

[@Hanpantheflyingman8D]

Great video, I really enjoy these discussions. In my own opinion, I'm not sure that Bane could power through Vader's force shield/tutaminis with magnitue alone, considering that Vader is supposed to be one of the most powerful force users in the Star Wars universe. Even if he did, I don't feel like it's the trump card everyone is expecting considering how resilient Vader can be. In a competition of sheer force-strength and magnitude alone, I think Vader would stomp Bane. Bane is certainly strong and has the knowledge, but Vader has the magnitude. Even though he is weakened by his suit and his guilt, he still has some serious oomph behind his force abilities that cannot be understated. I don't think he would have a hard time defending himself against Bane's lightning. But if Bane managed to hit Vader with lightning, I believe Vader's longevity and his resistance to punishment would keep him alive and keep him fighting. I think Bane would have a very hard time putting Vader down, as Vader is an indomitable, unstoppable power-house that has been shown to take and survive a serious amount of punishment. Vader would keep the pressure up on Bane, leaving him no room to breathe, and there would be very little Bane could do to assuage Vader, as no matter how much punishment Vader takes, he would just keep fighting. To an extent, of course. Vader would eventually expire to Bane's force abilities, but if he managed to keep this up and endure for long enough, I believe his familiarity with Bane's Djem-so and Soresu, and his own experience with Makashi and Ataru bladework, would power through Bane's defense and he could land a fatal blow before he expires to his injuries, if he expires at all. To summarize, if Bane could overpower Vader's force shield and tutaminis, which I think is a debate in and of itself, I believe Vader could endure Bane's lightning long enough to stomp him in a lightsaber duel. He would, however, most likely expire afterwards depending on the severity of the damage done to his suit.

[@AntoineBandele]

Hanpantheflyingman8D My point of view on this match up has changed.

[@Zak-A]

@@AntoineBandele so do u think Vader wins now?

[@kagamiuchihathebeast5862]

@@AntoineBandele i dont like the fact that u are supporting vader now... it makes my penis angry!

[@jesseecatli7568]

I completely agree, all tho darth vader might overpower bane's lightsaber style but by that time his suit would expire eventually. This would be a far closer fight but either way bane with his powerful force lightning and force shield and physical capabilities and his knowledge of lightsaber combat will give him the victor but I have no doubt he'll be fatigued at the end and darth zannah will eliminate him afterall bane's lightsaber skills are not to be underestimate if he is at his prime state most likely when he was wearing the obskilus armor he was able to take on 3 battle meditated masters with the help of his apprentice these jedi were far more experienced then the modern each master was around high council level possibly above theoretically and even if he was alone fighting the 3 masters due to his armor if he uses all lightsaber attacks only he would overpower them too. This may be close but I declare darth bane as the victor I love darth vader I have been reading novels and comics about star wars for nearly 6 years I have examined bane alot so yeah.

[@av3nger3]

13:45 that's a cool picture.

[@AntoineBandele]

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[@neillefrancis8568]

17:04 Bane would be able to fend off Darth Bane

[@sophiefyfe7933]

I think he meant dc bane would be able to fend off darth bane

[@JudgeCraven]

With his TutiMINTis

[@VampireQueen696]

I strongly disagree though i respect your analysis you've actually inspired me to make a versus series of my own

[@josephharris837]

Vader without the suit would be and I mean would be the most powerful unbeatable character

[@VampireQueen696]

@@josephharris837 not even close put him against Revan or Nihilus or Tulak Horde he's going down

[@josephharris837]

@@VampireQueen696 not a chance dude , Anakin is known as the best duelist! Also its confirmed he is the strongest force user. Take the suit away , have him kill obi wan or something and avoid the suit and limb chops , Anakin would be unstoppable going everywhere finding immortality and all other powers .

[@gandurk]

@@josephharris837 anakin whos reached his full potential, yes. But his defeat taught him something, and without it he would never have worked so hard to improve. I seriously dobdt he would be particularly better than the greats even if he won the mustafar duel/ found a way to create a better suit

[@josephharris837]

@@gandurk Anakin would beat everyone

[@BlottosFry]

I'm a stickler for these things, but, Anakin was not born on Tatooine, he was shipped there on a slave freighter at around three or four years old. It was never mentioned where he was born in the Star Wars series.

[@AntoineBandele]

Oh shoot thanks! Damn, I already uploaded another Vader video saying he was born on Tatooine. I'll add an annotation blurb.

[@thereddstormproject1954]

where did you get the "he was shipped there" arc from?

[@AntoineBandele]

DUE TO POPULAR DEMAND I WILL BE READING THE FORCE UNLEASHED NOVEL IN PREPARATION FOR A VERSUS SERIES BETWEEN GALEN MAREK AND SOMEONE ELSE.

[@SwagokuLion]

darth bane vs kyp durron

[@Jordan-vr7ip]

People i suggest you do some reading on Darth Bane before you comment. Probably the strongest sith there was.

[@NoahDavidson2698]

Exactly!

[@g.o.a.t9804]

+Sick Dece I could not have agreed more

[@Jordan-vr7ip]

A movie about him would be epic. How he came to be, how he destroyed the brotherhood of darkness and made the rule of two. Would be a dark and epic film!

[@Tornadospeed10]

Daryl sidious is stronger

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

+Sick Dece The Sith' ari in fact.

[@MythicMk.V]

8:54 I heard you flipping a page on your script! xD

[@AntoineBandele]

Not sure what that sound was. I don't use paper.

[@martingamer5591]

I think Vader would win. Bane's Lightning isn't as powerful as Sidious's lightning, and Sidious had to put in effort in order to shock Vader into incapacitation. There isn't really a physical edge to be awarded here, for the most part they countered each other's strengths physically. And Vader IS a better duelist. So I say Vader.

[@brandonking3976]

You do know Bane like....vaporized people right? And that was in PoD when he wasn't even at his strongest.

[@martingamer5591]

Emperor Palkatine Lightning isn't a trump card against vader though.

[@brandonking3976]

Martin Gamer I was using that as a counter to "Bane's lightning isn't as powerful as Sidious's"

[@martingamer5591]

Emperor Palkatine It wasn't. Canonically, no Sith has matched sidious's abilities in any facet of the force. Bane is no Exception. Some fans challenge canon, I'm not one of them.

[@brandonking3976]

Martin Gamer Do I need to mention Vitiate to everyone who thinks Palpatine is the most powerful that has ever been?

[@youngbuck189]

If Vader did not lose his limbs, and defeated Kenobi he would had been overwhelmingly the most powerful Force user in history. His ability was limitless, he could perform any sorcery, trick or dueling technique greater than any other person who ever lived. He never lived to develop those capabilities those. With the loss of limbs, he lost much of his ability to draw on the force, and could never reach the potential he should have reached. He should have easily surpassed Sidious, but he never did.

[@AntoineBandele]

No question there.

[@BboyZoinks]

Sidious knew this so he purposely made Darth Vaders suit half assed to make his skin itch his poster bad and has to forever use that breathing contraption but still he fucked shit up, on the bright side his son Luke achieved just that but on the Jedi side.

[@cekodoto9052]

+youngbuck189 he would have basicly become revan 2.0

[@yeraveragelad4012]

true but even so i know of one entity more powerful than him but she sort of cheated by drinking from two sides of the force becoming something akin to a god slayer *She is known as the mother or Abeloth* she was stated to be 12 times stronger than luke in his prime at the least and she was only playing with him.

[@matthewbatko7785]

IF

[@josephpatt9382]

Good video. I agree with the outcome. One major problem I see, is that Darth Vader is NOT in his prime. The Sith Lord Darth Vader was born in Palpatine's office, not when he was imprisoned in the suit. His prime was on Mustafar. He had just killed countless Jedi Padawans, Knights, and Masters (the same Masters that had taught him the techniques he was killing them with), killed Cin Dralling, and Count Dooku who were among the top duelits in the entire order. And as stated in 'The Revenge of the Sith' novel, his power continued to grow. After every being he killed, he became stronger, because one aspect of the Dark Side is that it feeds of death and destruction. Right before he was defeated by Obi-Wan on Mustafar, was 100% at his prime. The only reason Obi-Wan defeated him, was because Vader was blinded by hate, and made a huge, and rather stupid decision. After that, acording to the Novel 'Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader', by James Luceno, Vader was (for lack of a better term) torn the F*ck up; He lost 3 limbs, had his lungs burned and couldn't breath on his own, had the skin on his head burned, (which resulted in him having synth-skin), had his eyes and ears permanently damaged (almost melted) by the heat which was a major reason for the mask. He literally had tubes and wires running from the suit into his chest and lungs to keep him alive. The suit was literally an Iron lung, he would NEVER be able to get out. It fed him, and recycled his waste. He was at a major disadvantage. Even Darth Malgus wasn't wasn't messed up that bad! Darth Vader would never ne able to challenge Darth Sidious Mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith, nor any other powerful Sith, and could never reach his full potential, he was in to bad a shape... And that my freind, is not someone's Prime.

[@AntoineBandele]

I have a whole video coming up for you in a few days ;-)

[@josephpatt9382]

Cool

[@AntoineBandele]

Versus Series | Darth Vader vs Darth Vader

[@edwardcarballo390]

Then he got owned By Obi. Vader is nothing.

[@josephpatt9382]

Darth Vader is arguably the greatest Jedi Hunter/Killer in Galactic History, even after he got "owned" What are you talking about?

[@veganminimalistpastor]

Stormtroopers vs. redshirts

[@grilledcheesinator55]

Stormies miss, but the Redshirts die anyway. Stormtroopers win by default

[@mrvoice3436]

Red shirts don't have plot armor, stormtroopers win

[@AntoineBandele]

sithlord115 Thanks for your comment. Glad you enjoyed video. Jensaarai1 and I are of differing opinions in that regard. I am not of the opinion that Vader's suit was completely impervious to lightning attacks as evidenced by Return of the Jedi. He was killed by Sidious' lightning and he wasn't even exposed to it for that long. There may be different evidence in the EU stating he was resistant but movie canon trumps all else.

[@f.tylerpeck885]

He was killed because it was Sidious's lightning, which he utilized at a near instantaneously lethal level.

[@AntoineBandele]

Right, and Bane's lightning was extremely powerful as well. He would not be able to do in Vader as quickly but he certainly could power through.

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

F. Tyler Peck Bane's lightning was likely more powerful, or just as. He completely disintegrated someones body with a brief use of Force Lightning. Resistance, isn't immunity.

[@f.tylerpeck885]

Palpatine did too, as evidenced by his execution of headmaster Gentis. Others to suffer lethal damage instantly from Palpatine's lightning were Anakin Skywalker, Mace Windu, Rayf Ysanna, and Brand.

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

F. Tyler Peck No... Gentis was burned. Bane turned his victims into a pile of dust. There is a HUGE difference. Mace Windu doesn't count either. It was the fall that killed him, if anything, and chances are, Mace Windu isn't even dead. So guess again.

[@kenbrown9773]

I think you did this video pretty well, especially since this is a pretty close battle. Although I have a couple points to bring up. 1, as Anakin there was 1 ability he studied intensively, force augmentation to literally give himself more strength and vast endurance through the force and to even add a surprising amount of agility to his suit; also as Vader he studied the ability to physically move his limbs through the force. Meaning that he added to his strength in 3 different ways, and to his agility in 2 ways. He was also known to be able to levitate his body (which could buy him time to rest in the battle), and he was proficient in force speed which would allow him to see Bane movements as if he were standing still and react at a speeds that turned him into a black blur. I think Vader had a little more of a chance than you originally thought, but regardless it is a close fight no matter how you look at it.

[@cultofmalgus1310]

Antoine Bandele hey man I am loving your channel more every day. I watch one of your vids everyday for lunch break. Keep up the good work!

[@williamhenning4700]

Physical edge is debatable though if we include Vader's limited mobility it probably goes to Bane. Skill goes to Vader. Power is debatable though I'd give it to Vader. Bane has an advantage in his lightning that he can use to encaution Vader though Vader can still counter it. Close fight though I'd say it still goes to Vader for a slight majority.

[@geromino97]

Vader killed Sidious who is stronger than bane with one hand and being tired after fighting luke he would destroy bane easily

[@williamhenning4700]

geromino97 He died to Sidious's lightning and Sidious wasn't expecting Vader to betray him.

[@geromino97]

William Henning yeah after being tired plus if sidious did not expect or sense his betrayel than he is overrated

[@williamhenning4700]

geromino97 *You can view it that way." I view it as Vader not knowing what he was going to do himself. Also Vader's own mental defenses were such that not even Sidious could pierce it without exerting effort which I doubt he was liable to do when torturing Luke.

[@darkone9172]

I'd have to say that Vader couldn't stand up to Bane. Bane's use of lightning would definitely be to much for Vader to handle and if Vader was killed by picking up Sidious while he wasn't even focusing the lighting on Vader, then a directly aimed blast of lighting at Vader would shut down his suit if not instantly kill him much faster. But hey that's just my opinion.

[@jonathanshoucair374]

Without the Obelisk armor, Bane would most likely lose the fight. I place Vader ahead of Bane in dueling ability.

[@StevenZissimos]

Bane still trumps Vadar in every other combative capabilities.

[@ragingocelot4013]

Jonathan Shoucair bane was a master of from 3,5,7 while Vader was a hybrid duelist who use all forms to best Jedi I agree with you bruh

[@StevenZissimos]

Blazer Hell Grevious and Obi-Wan are completely different fighters.

[@397llederson6]

Steven Zissimos Still Bane is weaker both physically and force based (Needing amp to bring down a temple and still had to destroy the colloms supporting it

[@Oneshtforfun]

I feel like you keep forgetting, when talking about Darth Bane, that while he is in his Orbalisk armor his fighting style was entirely offensive as his armor effectively made him immune to lightsabers, except of course to the face, and the wrists. Also, in reference to the video against Darth Sidious, by the time he fought the 3 Jedi masters, many years had went past, and by that time he had worked to increase his effectiveness against dual wielding opponents. When the Battle Meditation wore off, Darth Bane forced the Jedi backwards, even after having to adapt on the fly to attacks aimed at his weak points.

[@AntoineBandele]

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[@lapascore]

I find listening to your old videos very interesting. While this is, of course, very good--you have truly come a long way.

[@brothersmakingmovies]

Haven't had a chance to check out your most recent Versus video yet, as I am slowly going through the entire "Council" Versus series from the beginning, but based off of your old videos it should be great and I'm looking forwards to seeing it!

[@AntoineBandele]

***** Oh coooool

[@dulio3240]

Darth bane will use dun moch on Vader by constantly mocking him of the light within him. Vader will become frustrated, vader 's weakness is force lightning and limited mobility. Darth Bane will use all of this to his advantage

[@naruto709uzumaki2]

If he masterd hes emotions he wold be the most powerfoul jedi/sith

[@user-ze7hp2jf5x]

you forgot to mention a few things about Darth Bane and his orbolisk armor, his armor not only amplified his force power while nullifying energy weapons it also healed him so much that unless you hack one of his limbs clean off in a matter of second than the orbolisks would have healed that, plus Darth Vader mechanical suit would not last against Darth Banes Lightning when he was wearing the orbolisk armor. There are a lot of reasons Bane lost the duel to Zannah, for one he truly wanted Zannah to succeed him, second he didnt bother trying to break trough her force barrier with his lightning and burn her to a crisp from a far, rather as a sign of respect he decided to engage with her with a light saber knowing fully well that he trained her in how to evade his aggressive attacks, third he decided to rather than kill Zannah to try and take over her body but Zannah was a sith sorcerer which knew many sith spells. Basically Bane knew he only had 1 option when fighting Zannah: He had to take over her body to train a new sith apprentice so he could be challenged as a master when he is at relative full strength but Zannah was a counter to him in that regard but still like Bane 2.0 minus the raw physical strength. all in all Vader simply did not have a chance against Bane almost in every aspect, Bane was truly a beast so much that he could probably take on Raven and Malak at the same time and even win if he had the orbolisk armor. Bane is no joke and the fact Vader could even face him one on one is an honor in itself.

[@StevenZ2012]

My money is on Darth Bane. He was the Sith'Ari--basically, the Sith version of the Jedi's Chosen One in Anakin Skywalker. His powers were greater than all the Sith at the time, and afterward his orbalisk armor made him not only stronger in those Force powers but also 99 percent immune to light saber strikes. Vader's life support armor--life support!!--was a hindrance. Sidious purposefully did that to Vader after recovering him from Mustafar because he knew Vader would become more powerful than him. If Bane and Vader fought in their primes, Darth Bane would over powerful Vader. Yet, in the spirit of 'what if', if Vader won his fight on Mustafar and didn't need the life support armor, and he and Bane fought, I think Vader would win.

[@colonelsanders1349]

+wall ball He never feared Vader would grow more powerful than him. He actively sought to replace him with luke.

[@StevenZissimos]

Colonel Sanders that's right. And Luke shared the same midiclorian count as his father.

[@AntoineBandele]

+Steven Zissimos No source says Luke has the same count, it's just assumed.

[@ForeverGraced]

Unless I'm mistaken, it's stated by Lucas, which is widely considered the equivalent of G-Canon

[@Tyrosine0910]

Colonel Sanders Sidious purposely used outdated, heavy, clunky materials & gave the medical droids a very limited budget with which to forge Vader's suit, so that he could keep him under his control.

[@riileywretched1968]

To expand upon Vader's dueling skills, it was said in another video by The Stupendous Wave, Darth Vader had not only mastered but modified each lightsaber form due to his physical handicaps. He utilized each form in his fighting style, keeping his opponents guessing on what form he was using. And with my own observation, he seemed to be utilizing a technique, like his master Darth Sidious, which was switching to a superior form, or in Vader's case use a piece of that form, than his opponent. He familiarized himself with all forms so he can combat jedi more effectively which I think both of these skills can give Vader a distinct advantage over Darth Bane

[@edwaiwood2416]

Dont disagree with the analysis that Vader never fully embraced either side due to his opposing nature, could mean he was meant to be a grey Jedi to bring balance, yet only in story Revan is allowed to understand this, since logic isn't permitted in lore which requires the light and dark to be good and evil nothing more. What do you mean his cybernetics place him at a disadvantage, the Mythbusters prooved no matter how fat or muscular you are, no one is bullet proof, same applies to blunt trauma. Vader's hands only mimic sense therefore he has no sense of pain or strain through his hands (lost limbs and still fought), plus Vader has been known to break bones with his metal hands, not saying bane would be strong enough to match Vader, but Bane would be straining himself while Vader would just carry on and break Bane's bones (I know the Orbalisks can resist sabers, but can they be crushed, an energy shield resists sabers yet you can still bludgeon the guy, am I wrong?) This may be before the armor, but Bane needed to channel his rage (as Yoda would need to concentrate) just to move one stone block, when Vader (Not just TFU now Rebels also) was crushed by a walker which he then casually lifted it single handedly, which matches Yoda's difficult feat of maneuvering the pillar which nearly crushed Anakin and Obi Wan. Ive seen Jensaarai1's videos, and I now know you didn't include Vaders feats of survival: close proximity to explosions, torched, exposed to hard Vacuum, armor that shrugged off all but lethal saber blows. You didn't mention the death field force ability on banes part 'on the roof seeking Andedeu's holocron' on the topic of force abilities 'sith magic.' Vader probably can marginalize the effect of lightning; lightning probably attributed to his death because he was spent and determined to end Sidious once and for all at all cost. Bane may have some immunities, but he has admittadly no skill in the healing arts; while not technically healing, Vader has been known to temporarily heal his lungs through his rage, surviving under rubble for days without his helmet "The Dark Side gives me all I need." Also Bane was not incapacitated, but temporarily stunned by a Jedi, Vader has once frozen a target then decapitated him, If Vader can plan a substantial enough stun to work for a moment, then capitalize with force speed, Bane could be ended on his one exposure 'his head.' Djem So isn't offensive Juyo is, Djem So is just dueling centric with with an emphasis on brute force, balancing strong defense with relentless offense. I would like to believe Vader included Juyo, but did he really, Jensaarai1 doesn't include Juyo when covering Vader's hybrid style. Plus Cin Drallig didn't teach Anakin Vaapad for obvious reasons so unless he read up later how did he learn it, please elaborate. Are you so certain Bane would be patient, its said he nearly killed Zanah out of unchecked, uncontrollable rage due to the Dark Side and hormones constantly injected into him by the Orbalisks. Banes skill improved (even though he only practiced and trained/humored his smaller in skill and stature student) and his faculties increased but at the price of his whits, making him more animal than man. So I think Vader would be cool playing the Soresu card and holding out for hours 'The Force Unleashed.' Vader would let bane eventually be drained since his armor, its a give take relationship, once he has no nutrients left, his 'bugs' will just eat him to exhaustion (if the body has no glycogen it will then just be eating itself,) then Vader would take the lessons of both his masters "A fight isn't always a goal in itself sometimes it is just a distraction from the true goal and best countered with a better distraction." Vader being more practiced hand at Don Moch would collapse a ceiling or claim a high ground like he did on Kamino. Lets not forget the elephant in the room, Bane was only engaged in 3 (4 if you count the separatist scholar) serious duels, while Vader hunted Jedi for years and bettered his methods for it. Don't you even think its possible Vader might resort to desperate measures and charge, let Bane go for a limb, then use the remaining hand to physically choke bane out, in the comics Vader killed a reborn Maul by stabbing him through himself and emerged seemingly unscarred. (I don't read comics I've just seen Jensaarai1's reviews.) I don't think Vader is indestructible, I don't disagree that Exar Kun would beat him given his great build, being a top tier duelist, and if thats not enough, true mastery of the Dark Side and Sith Sorcery, (Force Wound, Force Destruction, Force Drain, Dark Rage.) Same reason Vader couldn't and didn't challenge Palpatine was due to his Superior understanding of the Dark Side, the same can't be said for Bane, just a comparable Sith Warrior.

[@Cal_minmin]

Totally agree

[@thievrev]

Love these videos

[@WorstScenarios]

Something I think you should of noted is that Darth Vader practically made his own fighting style specifically to defend his weak spots in the suit like his respirator and arms. Also with enough electricity his suit would lock up thus I think Bane would just use that to get it over with.

[@AntoineBandele]

I give credit to Vader's fighting abilities. Djem So was his base with his offense a mix of Ataru bladework, Makashi stabs and Juyo slashes. His defense was a staunch Soresu.

[@WorstScenarios]

Antoine Bandele have you ever thought about doing a versus series on Darth Nihilus vs someone? Oh and love your vids.

[@WorstScenarios]

Antoine Bandele OK after some research I have discovered that Darth Nihilus is a BADASS. please include him in a versus video.

[@AntoineBandele]

Jedi grand Master Yoda Perhaps he'll show up. I'm pretty stacked on the match ups I got coming up until October on a one-week schedule.

[@Bedomp]

Jedi Grand Master Yoda I don't mean to offend, but his only claim to fame is his Force Hunger.

[@strahinjagov]

Darth Vader is my favourite SW character, but I think Bane wins mainly due to Vader's physical limitations. Bane would be able to identify Vader's Achilles heel and would pounce on it.

[@Tmathh]

we need to get you an animator cuz your analysis is dope. like for the end.

[@loganthekrogan2182]

The only thing I don't agree with is explaining that Bane is the victor by hurling force lightning at Vader, force lightning can be blocked with a light saber quite easily. And while banes force shields are very impressive they're not going to block objects thrown at him out right, he will need to knowingly hack at the objects with his light saber or divert focus to intercepting the objects with his own use of telekinesis. Vader does not have this problem. Also, Bane has been previously disarmed by his apprentice Darth Zahana who in my opinion is a flawed light saber duelist. It is possible that Vader could beat Bane this way.

[@JosephCraig]

One of the corrections that I would like to point out is Bane was a Miner not just killed a miner he was a miner so that was the foundation of the sheer physical strength that he would leverage. Another aspect of Bane was his cunning in understanding people and adjusting to them or just out right manipulating. Bane also practiced very intently with the Master of Arms learning all forms that he could from him. Giffany was also another student and was useful for him and once she proved her usefulness he eliminated her. Aside from these couple of things I agree with most points. Props for pointing out the limitations on Vader. Outside the suit Vader would win had he developed in the dark side without being all jacked up. But once he made that mistake on Mustafar he was capped. I have a personal theory that I deploy in the RPGs that I run that the more machine you are the more of a limit on force abilities you have.

[@AntoineBandele]

You are correct.

[@JosephCraig]

Bane happens to be one of my favorite Sith characters. I still think your video is awesome. Props for all the long and hard work that went into it man. Good Job

[@HeirofGojira91]

Hmm - not that I'm being a Trollinator BUT BUT indeed - and considering Darth Bane - well during the time he was still known as Dessel - he was abused and tormented by his father and fellow miners - and one day using just the Force he practically murdered his father without much remorse ... whereas with Anakin - well Anakin never exactly 'killed' those whom were close to him - that is putting aside how he was manipulated eh? And considering in the end as the Chosen One he did bring balance back to the Force albeit he took the long and painful path in learning his lesson ... whereas Darth Bane would set the Rule of 2 and the 2000 Year Sith Grand Scheme ... whereas Anakin was just simply too easily manipulated ... although he would have had more than enough power to defeat Palpatine gradually had he not been so arrogant and Force-Happy in terms of getting angry so easily ... as he did imply to Padme he had plans to do so ... and where Palpatine claimed 'Darth Vader will become more POWERFUL THAN THE EITHER OF US!' ...

[@dillanmccants4642]

I don’t really care who would win it would be an amazing fight to see and would NOT be one sided

[@g.o.a.t9804]

I seriously think a lot of all you star wars fan thinking Vader would win are basing their theories on the fact that Darth Vader came after Darth Bane I don't even think Vader could beat Darth Zannah, Bane's apprentice and she was more powerful in the force. Darth Vader is the most memorable and popular character in the Star Wars universe and thus it is easier for fans to assume he is the most powerful. absolutely false! In my Opinion The two most powerful Siths to Walk the Star Wars Universe is Bane and Sidious

[@AntoineBandele]

Depends entirely on how you view Vader. As the shadow of his potential or the conquerer of his rage.

[@roaringlaughter3812]

+Radish actually i think darth plagieus was a lot stronger then sidious it says something if someone as powerfull as sidious does not dare face his own master in open combat. and kills him in his sleep instead.

[@jordanthomas7798]

Antoine Bandele I view Vader as the failure that couldn’t live up to his potential

[@Tyrosine0910]

@@roaringlaughter3812 I think Plagueis was more powerful than Sidious at the time when Sidious killed him, but that ultimately, Sidious became more powerful

[@jabbathehutt1888]

Great video man, really happy to see this matchup as its one I’ve thought about quite often. For those of you complaining that Vader doesn’t easily stomp, please read the DB trilogy. Not only are they fantastic books, but also give great insight into the Sith, and really detail the absolute genius of Darth Bane. One personal note though, I always saw Bane’s prime as being Dynasty of Evil personally. He did have his issues regarding his tremor but to me he was at the height of his force knowledge at the time. Bane in RoT is a powerhouse, but I feel like that version of him portrays him wrong. People often assume him to be a hulking berserker simply because of his armour, and because of his stature, ignoring his biggest asset which is his cunning mind. Bane’s orbalisk armour caused him to be in great pain, but fueled his rage, and as such he often is assumed to simply rush opponents. Many bring up how, if not for his armour, he’d be dead, because he cannot defend himself. I see this moreover as being a strategy. He’s completely aware of his armour, and he knows they’re not going to hurt him, therefore defence is almost natural to him, and he can focus on offence. I viewed Bane in DoE as being superior simply because he’s mastered his form. His armour let him take on multiple Jedi, but I have no doubt that he couldn’t then also do the same as his DoE version. Bane in DoE has just furthered his knowledge much more, and has improved greatly as a duelist as without the armour basically being a set of training wheels, he was able to focus on having a better control on his offence and defence, finding a better balance, and maintaining more control. Although either version of the character works. Both had their ups and downs, and both were equally as interesting. It’s similar to Sidious I suppose in which arguments still exist based on if his prime was RoTS or in RoTJ. Great video as always many, I really enjoy your analysis.

[@jediguy97]

Antoine, love your various matchups. While Vader's weakness is mainly electrical discharge, characters who we think have an edge over him because of Force lightning still lose. My question for you is, how powerful does one need to be with this skill in order to beat Vader?

[@jakealter5504]

jediguy97 probably at the level of Bane, Revan, or palpatine

[@abominationmaullkiller6619]

From your descriptions of him in this video, I will take the liberty to assume that the incarnation of Bane you are referring to in this video is from his appearance in Dynasty of Evil. In that case, I would like to refute your verdict--I do not believe Bane could defeat Darth Vader. First off, you made several good points about the technicalities of Vader's technique, though not all were inherently correct. After Vader's injuries sustained on Mustifar, Vader had to largely rewrite his combat style to make up for the reduced mobility and awkward hand size and angles caused by his life support system. The style he eventually adopted was his traditional Djem So with incorporated elements from all seven lightsaber forms, but most prominently Makashi and Soresu. As described by Galen Marek, the end result of Vader's modifications to his style was a super-precise, unpredictable, and overwhelmingly strong style of combat, backed by twenty years of experience in the hunting of Jedi that Bane does not have. Darth Vader has on many occasions proven his abilities--His first notable victory in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, where he defeats Jedi Master and member of the Old Guard, Roan Shryne. He then goes on to take on an ambush of eight Jedi Masters in the Purge comics, one of their members being another member of the Old Guard, and though this battle can't be constituted as a victory, he still was able to kill off five of them while still accustoming himself to his life support system. He would then continue on to defeat opponents such as the Dark Woman An'ya Kuro, the re-incarnated Darth Maul, and even the older legendary Jedi Knight, Obi-Wan Kenobi, in lightsaber combat. Even after this, the article in Star Wars Insider, Fightsaber, detailed that Vader had trained intensely between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, having become a far more formidable opponent than he was against Ben Kenobi on the Death Star. Vader consistently proves himself to be highly skilled in technical dueling, and in terms of combat experience is rivaled by few. Now, you mentioned how Vader's life support system was a significant weakness due to his reduced mobility. You also argued that Bane could gain an advantage against Vader via his tolerance for pain. I would argue that you are incorrect on both fronts. While it's true his mobility was lessened after the events of Revenge of the Sith, Vader was still capable of running imperceptibly fast, swinging his blade faster than thought, producing multiple afterimages behind his person, and more of the like. I'd also like to mention that after the events of Rise of Darth Vader, Vader has intensely modified his own lightsaber style to use his lack of mobility to his own advantage, becoming something of an immovable object in a lightsaber duel. As for pain tolerance, I'd argue Vader's is even greater than that of Bane's. This is not necessarily because Vader has a stronger will than Bane, but because of his cybernetic enhancements. This is best displayed in the Purge comic line, where Vader takes on the Jedi Ambush. We see him chopped in the back, losing arms and legs, his helmet being damaged, and more of the like and he still keeps fighting--Vader is an almost unstoppable fighter with dramatically greater stamina due to the simple fact that machinery cannot tire. Another nitpick I would make is your consistent mention of Darth Bane's lightning being Vader's undoing, and the delusion that Bane is a more calculating fighter than a peak Vader--This is not be the case. In the most simple scenario, Darth Bane's lightning could be harmlessly absorbed by Vader's lightsaber in most situations. However, even if Bane were to catch Vader off guard, he has installed prevention measures to defend himself against this obvious weakness--From the passages of the Force Unleashed, Galen Marek is able to unleash Force Lightning on Vader more than once in their duel, and neither times does it do any more than stop his advance. While admittedly Bane is the stronger user of this technique, I dislike the notion that a practitioner of Force Lightning could so easily be Vader's undoing. As for strategic ingenuity, while Vader was initially headstrong and inept at strategic organization, he quickly learned his lesson after sustaining severe injures because of his emotions. Vader by the time of Return of the Jedi was a highly calculative fighter, and he even mused that he was more powerful than he had ever been. Lastly, I would like to point out that you vastly underestimate the difference in raw power between Vader and Bane, and that you overestimate Bane's wealth of knowledge. While Bane has shown a high level of Telekinetic measure, Vader has accomplished far more. From crushing TIE fighters with a gesture, to sending dozens of soldiers airborne, to collapsing cathedrals, Vader's powers are rivaled by few in the entire mythos, many like to think of him as the poster boy for combat applications of telekinesis in Star Wars, and I don't think I'd entirely disagree. As for Bane's wider knowledge of the Dark Side, while this could lead to him having some unexpected tricks up his sleeve, much of this knowledge is either extremely difficult or impossible to apply in combat, most notably Sith Rituals. I don't argue that this wouldn't be a very close fight, but Vader is solidly the superior of these two. However, I'd like to note that if my initial assumption was incorrect, and that you are referring to Bane as he appears in Rule of Two, while encrusted with his Orbalisk parasitic, I would more than agree with your verdict--Though not your analysis. If that indeed is the incarnation of Bane you are referring to, you highly under-evaluate the capabilities granted by Bane's Orbalisk Armor, as it does not only provide near indestructibility, but also an immense amplification of his raw power in the Dark Side and physical capability. While in his Orbalisk encrusted state, Bane is capable of smashing dozens of techno-beasts into dust with Telekinetic smashes, reducing drexl beasts into mountains of ash with Force Storms, moving fast enough that he appears to be wielding dozens of blades at once, and even regenerating from several hundred meter falls. He's a head and shoulders above Bane in his later showings. As an ending note in regards to another video of yours, regardless of which incarnation or appearance Bane is taken from, he is incapable of standing before Palpatine as an equal in any competition whatsoever.

[@AntoineBandele]

Funny that you mention Bane and Sidious, as I did do a video between them. I was referring to Bane after he discarded the Orbalisk Armor, so no this was not a factor. I think all my points on Vader's lightsaber technique were pretty sound. He maintained Djem So as his base form but modded the offense and defense within it. You and I agree he integrated Makashi and Soresu, but he also used Ataru and Juyo as well. I think as a duelist he was the best of anyone else in the entire Star Wars timeline. He not only took from almost all the forms but he took them with a strong base in Djem So, a form geared for someone with his biology and cybernetics. I will admit by bias to Bane and my disappointment with Vader overall. I was really trying to highlight the importance of practice craft versus raw talent. Though, speaking completely frank, if we are talking cybernetic Vader versus pre-suit Vader, cybernetic Vader did have a more practiced craft. That coupled with his power would outdo Bane. My point would have been highlighted better had I placed Bane against the nearly turned Vader. I agree Vader's pain tolerance was higher than Bane's, but I think Vader would not be able to deal as much damage to Bane as Bane could do to him. If Bane were to win, Vader would be without his limbs and his suit would have failed him. Speaking to tactical mindsets of both, I think Bane would be strong enough to know he'd have to attack not Vader, but his suit. I could see him really working on dismantling him than trying to go for a single killing blow. Yeah, stuff like crushing tie fighters and the like to me is very "Force Unleashed" which is more like a legendary thing than something Vader or Starkiller could actually do. That first trailer of Force Unleashed was really cool but I do not really believe it was achievable in the main storyline. Yes, Yoda could raise an X-Wing but with great effort. I do not think Vader nor Starkiller could bring down a whole star destroyer however. I can see Vader taking down a tie fighter though, but easily, not so much. I'm actually doing another video with Vader and I definitely give him his due as I felt I got my disappointment of him off my chest. Versus Series | Darth Bane vs Darth Sidious

[@abominationmaullkiller6619]

Antoine Bandele Perfect, so I was correct in my assumption that the incarnation of Bane you are referring to is one after he has discarded the Orbalisk Armor. While Vader's technical mastery was great, I think you and many others who have researched it get the wrong idea about how the system works Simply because he's successfully integrated elements from multiple forms in his technique does not make his style perfect or the best in the saga. His personalized style of combat is not a perfect technique, far from it, but what it does is allows him to fight efficiently despite his shortcomings. The style takes advantage of his increased strength and decreased mobility and flexibility rather than being detrimented by it. However, I would not give him being better than Palpatine or Yoda in a contest of skill much thought. As for Anakin, despite public assumption, he's more powerful than both Bane and Vader. Many people really overlook what he is capable of, in both terms of skill and power. For instance--Were you aware that at in Dark Lord: Labyrinth of Evil, Anakin let out a roar of power that collapsed a dome that was 90 feet tall (30 meters) and 270 feet (90 meters) in circumference? He's really insanely powerful. However, I agree with your overall point on Anakin--That he is not the most cunning or crafty of opponents, but rather is the expression of raw talent. I am not referencing the Force Unleashed, I'm actually referencing a much older comic which's name I have forgotten, If youtube allowed me to post the scans I would. I do find it amusing though that you believe Vader crushing TIE fighters is insane, and yet you make no note of how in Darth Vader: The Lost Command, Vader was able to topple an entire Atoan cathedral. And no, neither Vader nor Galen Marek could rip Star Destroyers from the sky. A little fun fact: The Star Destroyer that you are refering to was already falling, Galen merely redirected it's path per the Force Unleashed novel. Another thing I'd like to add is that I'm not too big of a fan on Vader either, there are many other characters I much prefer.

[@AntoineBandele]

I still do think Vader was the best and most refined duelist of anyone else. I really can't think of many who could challenge him outside of Mace or Dooku. Oh yes, Anakin was extremely powerful in the Force but I still feel his talent's full potential was untapped as Sith and Jedi, and because of that I feel others, like Bane, could subvert him.

[@EarlRegent]

I am afraid Antoine is right. You are speaking from a position of fandom and not actually thinking this through. Darth Bane will win, Vader has to much going against him against such a physically strong sith.

[@EarlRegent]

Antoine Bandele I hope you will one day render your judgement on Sidious vs Windu, How can the dark side incarnate be defeated by Mace Windu, Mace windu is not the light side incarnate lol! It makes no sense.

[@kaleo6096]

If only Vader never had his suit ... he would be a Demi-God.

[@ragingocelot4013]

Vincentnent Vader would have been unstoppable

[@geromino97]

Vincentnent in some ways his suit made him more powerful

[@hjvlogz4260]

Vincentnent His connection with the force grew wen he was in his suit

[@kaleo6096]

geromino97 I mean in terms of strength and stability maybe, but without the suit is domination.

[@kaleo6096]

HJ VLOGZ he wouldn't have really needed the suit to connect with the force even stronger though, he was already committed to becoming more powerful from the start.

[@tardarsauce3355]

@Antoine Bandele Great video as always! Could you do Darth Bane vs Darth Plagueis and Darth Vader vs Darth Plagueis?

[@EarlRegent]

Excellent work! Please consider being the first to do a The Dark Woman(An'ya Kuro) vs Asajj Ventress or any other powerful Dark Jedi or Sith woman.

[@StevenZ2012]

Great vid, and I agree with everything you said except for the third round. You didn't take into account you placed Bane in his orbilisk armor which would make anything Vader did against him moot. Vader' blade couldn't penetrate the orb armor, and so Bane would have just worn him down. I LOVE Vader, don't get me wrong, but Bane should have swept the battle based on your own conditions and settings.

[@AntoineBandele]

This was Bane without his armor.

[@metamycology]

@@AntoineBandele you said with the armor at the start of the video

[@evanmcc99]

Didn’t Vader’s suit also cause him almost never ending pain?

[@QoQabai658]

No. That pain was a result of his prior injuries. The suit actually had a mechanism that injected Vader with a painkiller. Basically, that suit was a mobile emergency room.

[@evanmcc99]

Jeffrey Doe no his suit didn’t have pain killers, the suit was designed to cause pain with the fact that in legends his burns were never properly cleaned and what not those points would have excruciating pain. As for canon the only thing I’ve ever seen Vader do was spend time in a bacta tank to escape the un ending pain but I have never seen or read confirmation of his suit which was designed to cause pain to have measured to lessen it. From what I know that is merely an assumption people make.

[@QoQabai658]

@@evanmcc99 Well, i guess i'll re-word it and say Vader was administered painkillers at the authorization of Palpatine. Not for mercy or compassion, but rather as a means of keeping Vader in check. As long as Vader depended on the Emperor for his daily or weekly fix, he was less likely to betray him.

[@evanmcc99]

Jeffrey Doe I get exactly what you said but I just don’t temper ever having seen or read anything that said that.

[@evanmcc99]

@The Brick Painter that suit wasn’t made to trigger or annoy him. It was made to keep him in a state of never ending excruciating pain, this pain fueled his self hatred and regrets which only made him hate himself more which fed into his power.

[@Erebus922]

Very nicely done,

[@AntoineBandele]

Thank you kind sir.

[@tracydamron9748]

Great video!

[@AntoineBandele]

Why thank you :-D

[@2Times22]

Vader was a Jedi,when was taken by Sidious..as far as we know Sidious hasn't taught him much..He just let him be,While Bane studied the Sith ways for years,practicing sorcery and battle dueling and every knowledge that was available he got..So pitting 1 fully seasoned Sith Lord like Bane against an ex-Jedi who turned to the Dark side...well Bane wins..Simple..!!!!

[@AntoineBandele]

Antony M That's one way of looking at it.

[@2Times22]

Antoine Bandele Yes Sir..I know that there are lots of ways of seeing things..I always use common sense or at least try to use it most of the times..That doesn't mean that I cant go wrong..Just stating my opinion..!!!

[@christiandauz3742]

Antoine Bandele The only Sith Lords that would beat Bane are Sidious and Krayt. Though to be fair if Bane replaced Sidious during the movies the Sith would rule for all eternity! Bane would have killed Luke and Leia the moment they met. Bane's understanding of the force is much bigger than Sidious could ever dream off. Could Vader's choke from ship to ship (as in Episode 5) work on Bane?

[@xThe_Wendigo]

***** While the ability to use force choke from such a long distance is quite impressive, I'm fairly certain that Vader could only do it to those who aren't force sensitive.

[@LordCylarne]

Not to mention he can't take on Luke.

[@Darthpsychonis]

If we were talking pre-suit Vader they I would more inclined to think that Vader would take him. But with Vader's Force powers crippled and his movements impaired, Bane edges him out.

[@AntoineBandele]

I don't even think pre-suit Vader takes him. Pre-suit Vader lacked humility and experience. His ego-driven mind would have inhibit his coherent actions. Bane would exploit his ego. In fact, I think suited Vader would outdo pre-suit Vader.

[@Darthpsychonis]

Antoine Bandele I agree. I wast talking on terms of sheer ability, but yeah Bane was a much more level headed fighter and was able to control his rage to a greater extent than the newly turned Anakin.

[@rex7on]

Darthpsychonis Bane cannot march into the Jedi Temple and solo multiple Masters. He had problems against few Jedi while he was helped by hes apprentice.

[@Darthpsychonis]

Darth Vader Most of the more powerful Jedi at that time were not at the temple, so its not quite fair to judge to power of the Jedi Bane fought against those you slaughtered. Plus you had whole of the 501st at your back.

[@rex7on]

Darthpsychonis Vader killed more Jedi than the Fett clones did. He is also a master of all forms and Bane is not.

[@lukeloreto6261]

i really liked ur video but can you please tell me what video is on the background? everytime you showed your "rounds" they popped out and was just curious if you could tell me it anyways thanks

[@AntoineBandele]

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[@Spiderman76934]

Great Video! Darth Vader and Darth Bane are my two favorite sith (leaving Maul in a close third). Although Bane still managed to get the edge over Vader, I couldn't help but notice that Darth Bane's ability of drawing the Dark Side of the force from different locations was not mentioned. Especially considering how he could engulf the area with darkness, causing his enemies to turn to ash. Personally I feel Disney needs to make force wielders more god like in the Force Unleashed.

[@Appi94]

Since I had read the books and seen the movies, I can say Bane is the best of his order; stronger than all the others who followed the Rule of Two. However, he's overtaken by the others in the various fields in which they stand out, for example : Darth Zannah was better than Bane in Sith's Sorcery; Darth Plagueis was better than Bane in knowledge of the composition of the force ( Plagueis can manipulate Midichlorian, Bane not); Darth Sidious was better than Bane in political issues; etc... Darth Vader could outclass all users of the force, only if he hadn't to wear his suit. So, for me, Darth Bane remains the stronger of his order.

[@crazytuffandco.]

I agree completely. While I would say that other with are better it is usually only in one area as stated above but in terms of rounded average of ability bane is unbeatable. Essentially he's second best but he's second best in everything. Except sorcery. While he does study it he himself has no potential with it.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Eh, I agree up until you mentioned Darth Sidious being less powerful that Darth Bane. Sidious was the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

[@jakealter5504]

Kyle Lambert and bane would be only slightly lower than him

[@Shadowsmoke11]

I think if Darth Vader wasn't handicapped he could beat Darth Bane in his full potential.

[@jakealter5504]

I'm not so sure since bane still had his armor which was able to withstand strikes from a lightsaber and he honed his skills to the max during his time before, during, and after his time with the orbalisk armor while Anakin only truly worked on his skills after being put in the suit (before the suit he mainly relied on his raw natural talent). Anakin before the suit was also pretty arrogant (which is how he lost to obi-wan and wound up in his suit to begin with). Anakin got cocky and, in his rage, made a big mistake when he tried to attack obi-wan (who had the high ground). Bane would likely use Anakin's arrogance to his advantage since he was a master of manipulation and tactics since he was an experienced soldier himself (before becoming a Sith Lord)

[@gregorcaptain3378]

Jake Alter its not a contest. if anakin was in his full potential, he would be stronger than sidious. bane would be no match at all.

[@jakealter5504]

+Gregor Captain true

[@Add183]

+Gregor Captain then again Darth Vader has honed his skills enough so that he could reach Sidous's level

[@bilal0072003]

+Roronoa Zoro Vader was NEVER going to reach sidious' level. He may have had some abilities but nothing that would even make him close to sidious which is why he was always looking for help to defeat sidious. His force abilities were far too limited. He couldn't even use lightning.

[@matthewmann8969]

The only way I could see pre suit vader winning is if he learned to control his rage better and not let his rage and ego control him

[@MMZERO9]

The funny thing is that if Bane met Vader, he would probably mock Vader, calling him a pathetic excuse for a Force-user, not even worthy of the title of a Darth. Heck, I could see him saying something similar to what Bane said to Batman in "Dark Knight Rises": "You merely adopted the darkness. For me, I was born in it, molded by it. As far as I am concerned, you're just an emotional cripple, nothing more and nothing less."

[@SwagokuLion]

this came out when my suspension was over

[@AntoineBandele]

You got suspended?

[@SwagokuLion]

Antoine Bandele yea almost everyone thought i got expelled

[@TheOriginalemoticon]

I think Vader would win because I think you base Vaders dueling abilities on his fight with Luke in Return of the Jedi. In that fight Vader heavily held back, I believe.

[@kittycat-sc7je]

Psshhh no bane would win but he might lose a limb I Vader notices the weak spot in his armour

[@NewBoxEternal]

Admittedly, I was outraged when you crowned Galen Marek the victor over Anakin Skywalker, but couldn't express it because the comments were disabled in that video, for good reason, I'm sure. I thought it would be a close match up, but that Anakin would prevail at that point. However, I had never really considered the ironic tragedy that was his condition, having the greatest potential to be the most powerful of all Jedi or Sith, but ultimately never realizing that potential due to his conflictive nature while on both sides. Brilliant insight and observation, sir. I applaud you. And yes, this did eventually cool my fury over his loss to Marek.

[@AntoineBandele]

+Alex Hammervik-Owen The comments aren't disabled on that video (at least they shouldn't be). Thank you … I was just trying to present a different perspective on Anakin (and Vader).

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

light sabers have deflected lightning before, I think Vader could handle a one trick pony.

[@betrot2]

+LoftOfTheUniverse What could Vader do to Bane in Orbalisk armour? Everywhere on his body except his face would be immune to lightsaber strikes, while any injuries Vader did manage to inflict on him would be immediately healed. If you're going to suggest that Vader would simply aim for Bane's face, then I'll remind you that Bane fought against 3 jedi (one of whom was regarded as the order's best lightsaber duelist alive) whilst they were empowered by battle meditation, and still managed to defend his unarmored face from any of their strikes.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

+betrot2 force choke.

[@LoftOfTheUniverse]

+betrot2 he also lost to his apprentice.

[@betrot2]

LoftOfTheUniverse The fight takes place during the combatant's prime, which for Bane is 10 years before he lost to Zannah, at which point, not only was his skill declining due to his ageing body, but he was also suffering the impact of having been calling on the darkside regularly for the past 20 years. It's like stated in the video, during Bane's training he spent his entire days training tirelessly, he studied the force until his abilities were sharpened to perfection, I think he could manage a force wall strong enough to combat Vader's force choke.

[@darthire6868]

+betrot2 i totally agree with your assessment, and for anyone who has read the books, Darth Bane was extremely strong with his force powers, Vadar could block the lightning, but would suffer the same fate as Kasim. Plus the rage that the orbelisk would have thrown Bane into, Vadar would be no match. Just as Bane held off 3 Jedi, I believe Bane could have won against Vadar and Sidious together.

[@Adrian-fc1yl]

I agree, that Vader was skilled in Tutaminis, but I doubt, that he'll be able to use it succesfully against Darth Bane. The electrick bolt of Bane's lightning would be to close to his mechanical hands. It may damaged them. In my opinion Vader wont be able to stop lightning, as he wasn't able to create that. With his Orbalisk armor, Bane is almost unstopable, I guess that only force lightning or telekinesis (I'm not sure abot this one) may be enough to stop that version of Bane. That armor incrase his strenght and stamina, and makes him almost invulnerable, which should be enough, to overcome almost every opponent in lighstaber duel. Vader has nothing, that could hurt Bane. You shouldn't use Orbalisk Bane in your videos in my opinion. I know, that you like to use characters "in their prime", but since Bane decided, that it would be best for him to remove Orbalisks from his body, I would treat them as some kind of cheat. Like narcotics. They may make you stronger, but after some time, they will destroy your body, or mind. Or both.

[@AntoineBandele]

I wonder why everyone thinks I'm using orbalisk armor for Bane. That was not a factor in this. Yes, I said Bane's prime was when he was affiliated with his orbalisk armor but I did not say he was wearing it, just that his prime was around that time. I'll have to make that more clear.

[@jakebaird2083]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that all of these characters were created in the universe that was born in Lucas' head, and in there, as he said, Vader is THE one, not one of, or top three, he is THE one. The prophecy Vader fulfilled is used as part of the mythology in the EU, so, even there, Lucas' idea of Vader reigns supreme. Vader wins, every time.

[@AntoineBandele]

Jake Baird Prophecies have no place in hypothetical battles. Plus, the prophecy says nothing of Vader's prowess.

[@jakebaird2083]

These hypothetical battles are based on characters that don't belong to those pitting them against one another. It's all pretend. What isn't pretend is Vader being created as the most powerful person in this universe. You really aren't in a position to argue who would win or lose, Lucas spent years alone in his room working these elements out, a KZbin video will never change that. Sure, it's fun to play around, but don't act like what you've read in novels and Wookiepedia written by people younger than the prequels gives your opinion any more merit than anyone else.

[@SkepticHeathen]

Yeah but Lucas also stated that Vader never even came close to his potential due to losing most his body. Prophecy is one thing, potential is another. Story has no place in these battles.

[@jakebaird2083]

Dale C Idiot, this entire concept is based on these stories. This conversation wouldn't be possible without these stories. If the actual "story" of Vader has no place in these battles, then all we have left as reference is his potential. Numbskull.

[@SkepticHeathen]

Jake Baird Relax man, we obviously have a difference of opinion here. What I mean by story has no place is if you have the vader fulfill the prophecy aspect in there then you have to include every ridiculous story element from every other character and it would get ridiculously convoluted. That's why in hypothetical vs matches they don't deal with that stuff, it's practically an established rule to prevent people from freaking out about stupid story elements you can't get away from like you just did.l

[@sirjedisentinel]

Just want to bring up: a Master-apprentice duo who utilize Soresu and Djem-So. Since you've done Vader vs Bane, could you do Obi-Wan vs Zannah?

[@jakealter5504]

The Sentinel zannah would lose since she doesn’t really have any offensive skills lightsaber wise and kenobi likely wouldn’t fall for her illusions

[@melvinfleck8301]

Anyone who has any actual knowledge of Bane would know Vader stands no chance. Read the books.

[@kittycat-sc7je]

I think bane would win but Vader would win 3/10 times I my opinion

[@VladimirStevanovic-dx1ur]

vaders way better

[@VladimirStevanovic-dx1ur]

imagine what he could bcome

[@VladimirStevanovic-dx1ur]

eventtually hell even clone himself

[@VladimirStevanovic-dx1ur]

to get limbs and flesh back

[@VisionaryTomcat]

Darth Vader would of won because of the prophecy.

[@AntoineBandele]

Oh good point, but still this was looking at it without the prophecy in mind.

[@VisionaryTomcat]

Antoine Bandele I still think he would of won but thats just my opinion. Other than that, I loved the video.

[@julianmasciocchi6348]

Well how could he win? Darth Bane is stronger in the force on all levels, he's smarte, and he has the Orbalisk armor to protect him from any lightsaber hit. Any attack from Vader would bounce off his armor, Bane's force shield could protect him from force choke, and he can draw on pure rage to fuel his power on command thanks to the Orbalisk armor. It a very one sided fight and Darth Vader is on the losing end.

[@VisionaryTomcat]

Mustachio Mustache I think your overestimating bane and underestimating vader (who is stronger in the force than bane).

[@nexahs1791]

Samuel Swahn In the end, Bane was outdone by Darth Zannah, So who is better? Zannah or Vader?

[@rock53355]

people, just read the Darth Bane Trilogy. bane was like the Hulk. anger drove him to overcome any obstacle. at his prime he beat the best Jedi weapon master, a knight and the Jedi general all at once (their force was also amplified by a 4th support Jedi). he was basically unbeatable when covered with orbalisk.

[@JimminyJim]

after reading the Darth Bane books. I really think Bane would win when it comes to light Saber dueling. He was top of his class in Saber combat. Vader I believe would look clumsy to Bane.

[@brianedwards6733]

I guess you don’t know Vader tore apart an AT-AT just using the force? Or the time he fell in a lava pit and used the force to part the lava with ease. I read the Bane trilogy and he was powerful but couldn’t touch Vader

[@DripDrax]

I disagree with bane wining against vader. sure, bane is extremely powerful just like darth vader. but vader was the chosen one. the battle bane against vader would be a hard one. but I believe vader would win but only by a slight victory. almost loosing to bane. if vader found his true potential in the time of need, vader would destroy bane

[@colespofford8207]

Voltage Burn you are so rite

[@wispio]

Voltage Burn But Bane was known as the Sith'ari which in the time was basically the chosen one of the sith

[@PusoPimpOVER9000]

Nah man, even if Vader went all out I don't see how Vader could take Bane with the orbalisk armor. Bane with the orbalisk armor has only 1 weakness: Force Lightning, which is a horribly dangerous weakness but not one Vader could exploit. But the armor covers his entire body save for a few cracks and is impervious to lightsaber slashes and almost everything else, plus even if I blow is struck to the racks it also gives him an instant heal ability. Vader literally has nothing that can bypass it.

[@krknife]

The chosen one of the Jedi... not the sith. Vader ended up destroying the Sith like was prophesied

[@slytheravenx2716]

Kaden Hirth Vader was the chosen one of the force. both jedi and sith knew about the chosen one.

[@lukeom101]

Just a quick question, who do you think is the Swiss Army knife of lightsaber forms?

[@AntoineBandele]

lukeom Hmmm ... Not sure.

[@farzananzniniaa2086]

love your viedos

[@AntoineBandele]

farzananz niniaa Thanks!

[@RurouniLeonardo360]

Good but I disagree with Bane's edge in force abilities being only a slight one. Bane's raw power is far above Vader's. He is also capable of force storm, death field, and many more.

[@evanmcc99]

MrVegeta360 far I wouldn’t agree with

[@Puppitear]

Bane's way above Vader when it comes to knowing raw, mostly unknown Sith powers. His sensing of the world around him alone is staggering compared to what limitations slowed down Sidious's apprentice. Though I know Vader was one of the greatest Siths there was. Bane was one of the fore fathers that brought the rule of two into play. His teachings, from all the collected knowledge he scoured from the holocrons he got. Bane's trilogy novels were a wonderful read and I really enjoyed how in depth they went with his storyline. Though I wish they'd done a sequel for Darth Zannah. I'm sure it would be a best seller.

[@jonathanratsey2244]

Not just with Zannah but a series of books with each of the Sith in the rule of 2 from Zannah up to Plagueis

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

Disagree with the verdict, and that's something I drop RARELY watching your videos. I guess my main complaint is how Vader's physicality is portrayed, I also RARELT support Evan/Connor's opinions above yours but I view Vader as a near indestructible tank physically, yes he was slower, but he's dealt with faster opponents, and his strength, constitution and endurance were greatly amped, I liken Bane to a bulldozer, and Vader to a literal tank. Also IMO Bane is hardly above Vader in the force, Vader arguably even being above him in telekinesis, Bane's only real advantages were essence transfer (he's not succeeding with that on Vader) and lightning, which while Vader had weakness to, he wasn't helpless against. Don't tell me one of the bet duelists of all time can't deflect lightning, and he did insulate his suit a little bit. IMO Vader wins 6/10, wouldn't be an easy battle at all, but I see Vader more likely winning

[@omnitool1586]

Hahaha! Evan and Connor's head canon you value more? Their arguments are so, so flawed. You should come to comicvine where real discussions happen using actual feats. comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/darth-bane-vs-shaak-ti-1808004/

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

+Jeff Collins I only value their opinions on VADER more.

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

Mate I read comicvine LMAO I wouldn't wanna see Evan or Connor do this battle because of their bias against Bane but I can say based on feats I'd put my money on Vader. Evan and Connor need to realize versus videos are about describing who would win a majority of times NOT who could win the battle and who they like more sooo

[@omnitool1586]

I was about to say . . . The same guys who think Tholme > Zannah or Hoth > Bane. That's very silly. But no, both of them overrate Vader quite a bit, as do most. Vader is near Top-Tier but he ain't Top-Tier.

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

LOOOOOL HOTH VS BANE anyway.. I intend on being more active on comicvine than YT cause I'm done with the majority of the YT bullshit, I'd say Vader is tier 1, but not solidly tier 1. One could argue he's in the tier 1.5 area

[@Cosplayer_With_No_Name]

Darth Bane has the Alice Cooper make up on his face.

[@dapperbanana5088]

I think Vader would win, Vaders light saber would stop banes force lighting. Also I think Vader is a better dulist, but that may just me. If u think bane would win, reply!

[@skytv2953]

0:10 He looks like the rock

[@S1lverviper]

@Antoine Bandele I love your versus series I may have some ideas for intersting fights (at least in my opinion haha) 1. Anakin Skywalker/Vader pre Mech Vs. Revan 2. Yoda Vs. Vader 3. Yoda Vs Vader Pre Mech 4. Anakin Skywalker Vs. Darth Sidious

[@Tyrosine0910]

1. Revan 2. Yoda 3. Yoda 4. Sidious

[@gm-s504]

Hey Antoine, I was wondering- have you made an answer to star wars questionnaire video? if not, are you planning on making one?

[@AntoineBandele]

Oh yeah I forgot all about that. Let me look into that now.

[@aidena7113]

Anyone else wish Anakin stayed good?

[@AntoineBandele]

+Aiden Adamo If only ... orig05.deviantart.net/b52a/f/2012/088/3/f/sw___leia___would_you_give_me_that_thing____by_renny08-d4uc8ly.png

[@starfishsicko]

This is your only verdict I do not agree with.

[@AntoineBandele]

That's fine. I admit bias in this video.

[@constantinez4625]

+starfishsicko you're absolutely right.

[@sirius4k]

You don't have to agree with it. You can't argue with facts. Bane WOULD win. You CAN have opinions, obviously.

[@amaanarain2774]

I agree with this one. Although Vader is powerful, Bane has a lot more going for him in this matchup.

[@AllYourBaseRBelong2Us]

A well done video, and throughfull. However, I have a counterpoint. I think a lot of commentators overestimate sith lighting as a usefull weapon. Vader wouldn't have to leverage Tutaminis against even an accomplished lighting user like Bane, he would only need to ignite his saber to block. In conjunction with his other force techniques and understanding of soresu this would be more than enough to neutralize Bane's lighting. Consider that Count Dooku posessed reasonably advanced skill in the lighting technique only to have Kenobi, who was not yet at the height of his power or Soresu mastery, block it easily with his blade during their battle on Geonosis. Sith Lighting is more of a show of power, a submission move, or an ability used out of desperation when all else has failed. As lethal as it might be when used by those powerful in the dark side, it is in most cases no more lethal than the cut of a lightsaber blade and can be countered using similar methods. Physically, I agree with your assesment, though I question the comparison of Vader to an Orbelisk covered Bane for the reasons that the orbelisks would have been his undoing. However, I do think the case of Vader being a glass cannon is overstated. Sure, you hit him in the chest and his breathing aperatus is toast, but you slash anyone in the chest and breathing would be a problem...Does the suit make him more vulnerable? To lightsabers I think no, in fact it makes him more durable, but to force based attacks I would say yes. There is give and take here. I do agree that Vader is a more polished and precise duelist. I do not think that the Dun-Moch techniques of self doubt and intimidation would have any effect on either. I think there are some tangibles and intangibles you aren't addressing: As brilliant as Bane was in his actions and mechinations leading up to the thought bomb, as a fighter he was pretty much a-straight forward tank . Vader on the other hand created and utilized distractions and could multitask his blade and force powers adeptly. Vader also had more experience fighting force-wielders and a keen tactical mind I don't think Bane posesssed. For me too the the duel is close. If Vader tries out-tank Bane, I think he loses..but I think avoids that. I think this duel comes down to whether you think Bane's greater array of force powers defeats Vader's deeper palate of blade work and tactical ingenuity. For me, there is a reason fighting between force users tends to feature the lightsaber more than force powers. I think an ounce difference in blade-to-blade capabilities is often worth a pound's difference in force powers. For this reason I give the edge to Vader.

[@AntoineBandele]

Good analysis, super solid points. It is true Force users tend to be lightsaber only.

[@agentbuckwall2806]

Vader looks cooler, so he wins XD

[@AntoineBandele]

Matt Kenney Hah

[@ericmonaco4509]

But Looks Dont matter

[@kalbonation2308]

Hah here we have another vader fanboy

[@jackvader107]

darth vader is kinda overrated

[@AntoineBandele]

I agree.

[@SGK1206]

Bane is overrated.

[@yeraveragelad4012]

says the guy with a Darth Vader pic XD

[@jordanthomas7798]

This is who I am Bane could use force lightning

[@GameNerdX]

I'll just list off any issues I find with this video even though I personally believe Bane would win from the start, after having debated this matter for hours on end and dissected every argument presented in that case: 1) The other miner Bane was battling did not have a vibro blade (and he was drunk). 2) Even though I've only read the first two Darth Bane novels, I do not recall Bane being able to inflict fear in his enemies through use of the force. 3) There is no way Anakin approached Windu in terms of lightsaber skill, I mean, Windu was one of the two Form VII masters alive at the time. Ultimately this video, I think, does a really good job of covering everything from an unbiased perspective. Really, Bane's just got too much going for him (a testament that is NEVER brought up in this argument is the fact that Bane actually force pushed a force sealed stone door across a large chamber, which wouldn't be so awesome if it wasn't protecting Freedon Nadd's(?) tomb.)

[@AntoineBandele]

GameNerdX This is one of my earlier vids so I admit some things were probably left out. With regards to your points: 1.) I meant to say the Republic soldier he fought, not he miner. 2.) In "Path of Destruction" Bane used Dun Moch (unknowingly) against another student during their duel, ensuring his victory. 3.) Anakin most certainly was approaching Windu's level of skill. Dooku was on par (and in my opinion slight above) Windu. Through his sheer talent, by ROTS, Anakin was Windu's equal in the sense that he'd be a challenge for him. Windu's leg up on Anakin was Vaapad and experience with hot heads.

[@GameNerdX]

Antoine Bandele Well, I'll take your word for it because I seem to lack quite a lot of knowledge concerning Anakin and that time frame in general. I just know Windu was a Form VII master and, while Anakin was a shockingly good fighter, almost nothing can stand up against Form VII.

[@AntoineBandele]

GameNerdX Actually, there was a huge counter to Form VII that is displayed in detail in the Revan novel. That counter is hiding one's dark side energies. A controlled fighter can block themselves from a From VII practitioner's amp.

[@GameNerdX]

Antoine Bandele Okay. Don't recall that passage, but it's been a while so I could be wrong. Not exactly sure how that would work though >_>

[@RicardoD957]

Admittedly I wasn't sure about the verdict of this vid, though this was down to me not knowing too much about Bane. But after listening to the Audio book of Darth Bane Path of Destruction, I've come to agree with the verdict. Bane was a BEAST. I'd like to think he'd actually pay respect to Vader for his skill in both the Force and Saber skills.

[@AntoineBandele]

RicardoD957 Yeah Bane is sort of a bad ass.

[@jonathanboyles3155]

People think anakin was a monster its not that at all,he was blinded by Palpatines Statement The tale that blinded him is as follows-"Have you ever heard the tradgedy of Darth Plaugeis the wise?" "Its ironic he could save other people but not himself" stated Palatine."He had the power to heal people" asked Anakin. That's the reason he joined the darkside-to protect Padme.

[@agentsmith9472]

for the most part Vader telegraphed his attacks, he didn't really use juyo very much, he was more used to fighting severely weak opponents thus it's hard to say he was a very good duelist

[@mitchellhenry9302]

What music do you use in all the categorys I've been looking everywhere for it!?

[@AntoineBandele]

They are all listed at the end of the vid.

[@mitchellhenry9302]

Oh sick sorry I didn't notice thanks man!

[@nicksmith3385]

one more thing, vaders lightsaber could increase in length by 1/2 a meter so if bane tried to go for a direct stab vaders lightsaber would be longer and he couldent get close to vader without being stabbed himself

[@AntoineBandele]

I did not recognize Vader's "dual-phase" saber abilities as I could not find any definitive source that said his saber could do such a thing.

[@bastionsoul7988]

I also find it coincidental that when Bane has his orbalisk armor both he and Vader are vulnerable to force lightning.

[@roninamano]

Good series dude. One major error I think you have in here. Darth Bane did not lose to Darth Zannah. He took over her body and achieved immortality. Darth Cognus detected him in Zannah, but he lied so that he would have another young body to steal when Zannah's grew weaker using the ritual of essence transfer. You will note that Zannah ended the story with Bane's hand clenching tick. Even Palpatine might have been Bane inside.

[@twistedlogic9739]

Bane should probably have won for lightsaber skills, because once, he went out into rain, and tested his gaurd, and when the rain was gone, Bane was completely dry. No drop had penetrated his gaurd.

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

Bane is a proficient duelist, Vader is the god.

[@omnitool1586]

Vader the God? The same Vader that got tagged by Sha Koon and An'ya Kuro and a Padawan level Luke. The same Vader that was defeated by Starkiller. Yeah that guy is a God for sure.

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

+Jeff Collins I remember Vader killing both Sha Koon and An'ya Kuro, and at least in kuro's case that isn't a light feat, she was a Jedi master, probs slightly under council level. This was also before Vader was fully comfortable in his suit. Also the Galen/Starkiller battles were all about three things IMO: Galen/Starkiller being way faster, like, WAY faster. Galen/Starkiller having force lightning before Vader had tutaminus mastery or insulation to his suit, and game mechanics of the force unleashed. I also am not one to lowball Galen/Starkiller either and would, even if low level council master, would still say he's council master level. ESPECIALLY in force power.

[@omnitool1586]

SFAras™ Also this is an older video from Antoine, I believe he said on comicvine that his opinion on Vader is changing (not sure from what to what though). Good counters but I think those feats represents how Vader is not a God-like fighter. He really is a broken version of his previous self, especially as he's presented in Empire Strieks Back against Luke. Not only did Luke have a killing blow on him that he did not take but he was also able to kick Vader off the ledge in the freezing chamber. A Padawan-level Luke, mind you. One who had never been in an extended lightsaber fight up until this point. Now you can say Vader was holding back at the beginning of the fight, but on the catwalk when Luke does land that blow, that was Vader going full out.

[@SFArasTMToomuchslays]

+Jeff Collins let me rephrase the god like thing, this is purely as a duelist, because IMO he's certainly a top tier duelist, Skywalkers are also basically the anomaly to every Star Wars rule because their force potentials are so massive, (except post suit Vader cause his potential was greatly crippled) Padawan Luke landed a killing blow on a normal human, mind you, Vader isn't an ordinary human and can shrug that off because he's very physically tough. On that catwalk I agree he was going all out in ESB (not ROTJ tho, but that's a different story) Luke's force perception because of his heritage will naturally make him very fast as well which is why I think he could land kicks on Vader. What's more is while Vader may have less defensive form as before, he doesn't need to because it needs to be a decisive heavy blow to bring Vader down, that's why the Dooku/Exar Kun approach against Vader would be pretty stupid, stab him across the face, he can keep fighting. And I hate to be (cont.)

[@SS4Xani]

4:00 - Correction: The miner (Gerd) did not have a vibroblade when battling Bane (nee Dessel). The unnamed ensign soldier of the Republic was the one who wielded the vibroblade against Bane (nee Dessel).

[@AntoineBandele]

You are correct.

[@NewTypeDilemma01]

I'm gonna spitball with these suggestions: Rham Kota Vs Jolee Bindo, Komari Vosa Vs Asajj Ventress, Kyle Katarn Vs Darth Zannah, and Han Solo Vs Carth Onasi.

[@stryker914]

darth bane was fast enough in his lightsaber style to keep rain from hitting his skin. Also, killing three battle-meditated jedi isn't an easy task even with orbalisks.

[@randybentley2633]

The design of Vader's suit was as much a means of keeping him on a short leash as it was a means of keeping him alive and functional for the Emperors plans going forward. It kept him subservient to Sidious due to the fact that he would be sorely vulnerable to his Master's phenomenal capability in the use of Force Lightening. Since few Jedi used it there wasn't much of a chance of Vader facing it as he hunted them down, thus not making the suits vulnerability not that much of a hindrance. The fact that Vaders life functions was so tied to to his suit's integrated parts is the only reason that I can think of for such an accomplished tinkerer like himself to not have done more to better its design than he did by small degrees.

[@AntoineBandele]

Is there a source for this. Not accusing that there is not, just wondering.

[@randybentley2633]

Dark Lord The Rise of Darth Vader. Also the description of Vader's Armor on Wookieepedia goes into detail about it.

[@Noirfury]

He Did make improvements

[@randybentley2633]

Noirfury That he did indeed do and he did a masterful job at that. That being said the suit was still as much a hindrance as it was a help.

[@jasonblack4208]

Bane with/without orbalisk armor is it's own video tbh

[@WanderingRagabond]

Antoine, have you ever considered making a versus series with a hypothetical Darth Vader that was never mutilated and crippled? Like, if he HAD reached his full potential?

[@AntoineBandele]

I would be a hypothetical, unmutilated Darth Vader would beat ANYONE, period.

[@AntoineBandele]

***** Pre-suit Vader vs Obi-Wan was hindered. He did not have a mastery of the dark side, the dark side mastered him.