How are the Samurai and Karate connected?

[@tochiro6902]

Thank you interesting as always.

[@warrennass24]

Hi Antony, just thought I put my input in. The scene was in the second film not the third. You are correct about King Sho Shin and the invasion of Satsuma. The art in Okinawa was developed by lots of different people from lots of places over a course of a long period of time. It was a fusion of various arts (the original mma) as it were. From China it has the xing or kata, the source of human movement and, chi na, which is the art of seizing capturing and control, torite in Japanese. The striking was the pleabian art of punching from the kingdom of Siam aka Thiland. Tegumi which was wrestling allegedly came from Yametomo who was the eight son of the Minamoto warlord. By the late 19th Centenary it had been refined to technical excellence and it was called to ti. At the turn of the 20th Centenary Anko Itosu simplified these practices so it could introduced it the school system. When it was introduced to the Dai Nippon Butoku Kai, it was met with prejudice and set forth six criteria. Which were met. The Boxing match between Jack Dempsey and George Carpenter was filmed in Japan in 1921. Japan wanted it along with other western sports. A newspaper article said we already have it in the island kingdom of the south then it became part of Japanese budo culture.

[@indianmartialartsresearchg9728]

The martial arts that were banned in Okinawa mightve consisted of basic grappling, basic hand strikes, basic low kicks as well as blade and polearm arts, not the flashy advanced stuff we have today. The Bubishi's 48 self-defence techs are pretty basic. Jessie's vid on the French Savate origins of Karate's high kicks is quite good. Some of the flashy kicks in Japanese and Korean arts mightve been invented or further developed in the early and mid 20th century to commercialise the art. And given an intriguing background story (like claiming the jumping side kick was used to knock off horseback enemies) to intrigue students.

[@jeanlloydbradberry9099]

Hand-to-gland combat has always been militarily useful to both occupiers and resisters, as well as on the battlefield when weapons were lost or damaged beyond usefulness?

[@Omegaures]

Which gland, specifically? Or all of them?

[@hachimanjiro]

Got a copy of your book Antony, have to say I LOVE IT! it's excellent thank you a subject very close to my heart. Great video too,I started Karate way back in 1976 ( showing my age!) but have never really got into the history of it until recently.again many thanks!

[@AntonyCummins]

I’m glad you got it. That really helps. And 70s karate was best

[@albertbryant9996]

Good video. Anthony I hope one day I can get a signed copy of my book you wrote.

[@neocloudmarts9613]

There is an Okinawa Karate master speaking on certain movements and techniques that he believes comes from samurai martial arts influences . This is on a popular KZbin channel from a young Japanese karateka that visits Okinawa to in karate.

[@-RONNIE]

Thanks for the video

[@alittlepuertoricanboy1993]

There're two connections: Karate was originally practiced by the Okinawan version of samurai, and even during the Meiji restoration, it was the shizoku families that practiced the art before modernizing it. The second connection is when those shizoku brought it to the Yamato mainland and modified it further by implementing judo and kendo influences.

[@alittlepuertoricanboy1993]

It's also NOT true at all that martial arts were forbidden or weapons were completely banned in Okinawa. King Sho Shin only banned weapons IN Shuri Castle, and enacted laws so that people didn't go around killing one another in public, but shizoku were allowed to own weapons at home. This is technically the start of karate, since it developed as an empty handed method for the Okinawan shizoku and palace guards to use for self defense and to protect the Okinawan royal family.

[@AntonyPendlebury]

Antony, Iv read about 9 of your titles now (all fantastic by the way) studied and practiced karate for over 35 years. I recommend a title “Okinawa no bushi no te” the only influence I can see the samurai have on Japanese based karate is through the culture, modern day Japanese based karate is heavily influenced by budo, modern day budo is influenced through the culture. However modern day Japanese based forms have a slightly different ethos to okinawan based arts. Your title “Bushido” makes a lot of these connections.

[@AntonyCummins]

I will have a look, thank you. Also glad you are enjoying the books

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

The banning of 'martial arts' includes the banning of practice and training with weapons as from what I understand, objects designed specifically as weapons were banned as well. It's one of the reasons that certain Japanese weapons that were originally used for everyday work evolved into improvised 'martial arts' weapons. Kicking a soldier off a horse is something you definitely could use a jumping kick for but how often that was done, who knows. That practice IS talked about in the Korean arts TKD and Hwarang Do but the terrain is a bit different in Korea from Japan. I've tried reading up on the history and background of Karate but prior to the 'modern' Karate formalized in the late 1800's, doesn't seem to be much information out there.

[@madjack821]

A lot of tkd “history” is fabricated such as the Hwarang. Read “A Killing Art” by Alex Gillis. It’s an eye opener.

[@MicahCTheory]

Does anybody know what happened to chosen ninja? He disappeared for a while. Not a ninja pun

[@AntonyCummins]

I’ve heard many stories

[@amur2506]

As I understand it, the Japanese (Satsuma) invaded and absorbed the Ryukyu Islands (Okinawa the most famous prefecture). Satsuma ended Okinawa's version of Bushi nobility and banned weapons. This is where Bushi training changed to more of an unarmed version (Te) that included homegrown weapons (Kobudo). This martial art was later transformed by senior Bushi Anko Itosu and introduced to Japan by Funakoshi sensei (around 1922) and a few others (IE: Kanken Sensei, Mabuni Sensei, Motubo Sensei) as Karate. Karate is a 20th-century development and not an ancient art. You could say it's a watered-down version of Okinawan Te, which was the MMA style of its day. Karate as we know it was not practiced by the samurai nor did they fight against it as it did not exist in their time.

[@Dale_The_Space_Wizard]

If I wanted to knock a Samurai off a horse I'd probably use a long pointy stick of some sort rather than using some sort of flying kick.

[@shootits48]

If an opponent was armored i can see a high flying kick effective to putting them on the ground

[@christopherflynn6743]

Karate kid "two" and parts of "three' was filmed in Hawaii none was filmed in Okinawa... Sadly. I reached out to Jessey he responded but was very short with his response.

[@raylantz5144]

There's no way to knock a armoured and properly mounted warrior off a horse with a jump kick... however... it would be a good way to get on the horse and help drag the warrior off....

[@joelowen5388]

No fly kicks in karate most kicks are ne waza

[@jabnewmedia]

Intuitively I'm going to say there is zero Karate in the Samurai/Budo fighting system. I'm guessing systems like Chaun Fa Shorin-Ryu has Chinese/Filipino influence. Samurai may possibly have a thread to what the Chinese influenced (Mongol/Imperial Chinese systems...for War), but not so much the intricate Kung Fu systems of unarmed combat. Consequently Baguazhang in my opinion appears to have influenced Aikijutsu, but in terms of "flying kicks", that seems to come from Wu-Shu or whatever thread in history that came from. Now would a warrior ambush from a high ground and drop kick an enemy? All is fair in war but I don't believe that would be included in the Samurai curriculum. I'm researching 格雷云过月​ (Grey Cloud), 8-diagram fighting in the Qi-Gong/Baguazhang system. I hope that history will reveal some truth. My God the Monkey system is the only true survivor of animal systems left! Trust nothing! History is an unbelievable undertaking. Hats off to you Cummins, you have incredible patience!

[@ctam79]

Could someone please do a youtube video demonstration of a guy or girl jump kicking someone off of a horse? In full Samurai armor to be accurate. I would love to see that.

[@jabnewmedia]

It happened on a farm in Kentucky years ago. Lady was pissed and kicked a guy mounted on a horse he wasn't supposed to take out. Its possible and it can hurt lol.

[@madjack821]

There are so many easier ways to knock a man off a horse 🤣

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

Yeah, as in shooting them with an arrow, hitting them with a javelin, knocking them off with a spear or naginata, using rope or a net, rock, arquebus. And in using a missile weapon of some kind you don't have to worry about hurting yourself when you land incorrectly or about getting your head taken if you miss ;D

[@madjack821]

@@Jazzman-bj9fq or your nuts impaled on a spear like at Stamford bridge 🤣

[@blackswordshinobi]

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[@Shadowman9348]

Samurai & Karate? There's no real connection. Jiujitsu however is a samurai art. Karate is just a combination of various Chinese Kung Fu styles brought from southern provinces and combined with the native Ryukyu kingdom wrestling. Also the weapons which are present in kobudo actually originate in China as well and were much later brought to Ryukyu (later renamed Okinawa) and adopted by practitioners of what later became Karate. As for the "flying kick" - that was more likely to be used in Korea as they are known for their kicking arts (such as Taekkyeon) where one would likely jump off a slope/small hill or stairs where they have slightly higher ground and kick a soldier/bandit off their horse. It's possible for Shaolin warrior monks to have practiced that as well in case their temple was raided by marauders. 👊🥋🇨🇳🇰🇷

[@AntonyCummins]

Did you watch the video

[@Shadowman9348]

@@AntonyCummins Yep.