AOE2:DE | The Art of War Challenges | #7 Naval Battle

[@tvremote9394]

Rumours say tatoh was the lead designer for this scenario

[@monkeysuperiority]

6:40 AoE version of 69- blowing each other up at the same time.

[@Eembuster]

Another gold medal, this just shows that with hard work and dedication anything is possible, even for a silverboi

[@88Nieznany88]

2:23 lmao i literally didnt use more than 4 demolition ships because I thought they would count as loses and couldnt get past silver. Should have read the rules!

[@GamingHouseYT]

Yea I just tried the Land Map one and it's not too hard because of the AI not really reacting, but it's nice to have these kind of challenges so new players and intermediate players can train and understand better the mechanics, to improve their skills. This naval battle looks usefull and interesting too.

[@SchlimmShadySmash]

microing ships is so frustratingly difficult to me, anyone that can help a beginner understand what viper is doing here, with the jebait tactics, or the rest of the microing?

[@sluggie1018]

its been 2 years but when the two sides meet, he knows that the ships in the center front will be hit first, as that is what the AI sees first. He fully expects the enemy ship attack to come, but it will take a small amount of time til it hits the ship. He takes full advantage of this delay and moves the ship away at a sharp angle as soon as he sees the attawck so the attack (bolt or whatever) will land in the water. Then, because the AI will just continue to attack until the ship is destroyed, the AI ship ONLY attacks that ship. but because viper is constantly moving around the ship at a sharp angle, all the attacks miss, hence baiting the attack. At the last big battle, He leads with his war galleys first because they have more HP than the fireships, and can tank the initial salvo. Using this, the fire ships gain closer, then he backs off the war galleys because if he doesn't he will lose those ships. He does this for groups of war galleys that are too low in HP. low HP ships will be moved back in hopes that AI will lose the targeting and focus on other more HP ships. Also in the last part 6:19 he impressively takes out one demo ship from the demo pack to trade with the enemy demo ship in an instant. If he didn't do that, he would lose his group of demo ships to that lone enemy demo ship. Doing that when you fully know a demoship's location from the start is not that hard, but he only had 2-3 seconds to react and did it perfectly.

[@enriquetaborda8521]

@@sluggie1018 Thank you!!

[@ownphantomandtoy]

I hate this one so much. Literally the only one I struggle with and the only one preventing me from getting the silver and gold medals

[@agustinurrutia6095]

I feel his stress. One silver medal and he will be silver boi forever...

[@KurtFan69]

they were two silver medals 11

[@mosybosy9356]

the only challange I cannot get a gold medal for :( your ships keep attacking, mine go idle after a ship is destroyed.. is there a key to make them attack the closest enemy?

[@ComradeRachel]

Aggressive stance is suppose to have them attack enemies in their sight, though appears it hit or miss here.

[@TheAireaidLord]

This video is no longer representative of how the AI works. The AI doesn't chase a target anymore once you run. They just lock onto the other closest target. Took me like 30 tries just to get lucky

[@heroepato]

We never get to see naval battles like this ones. It's usually pure fire vs fire

[@dimitrikemitsky]

Only in early Feudal, where fire is super strong. Once fletching, bodkin, and war galley come in you often see a switch.

[@CULatte]

Viper won a hidden cup map with regular galley micro, lol, against Vikings

[@LeaderOfTheRedNinjas]

@@dimitrikemitsky Adding fires to feudal was one of the worst changes in the expansions. At least galley wars had plenty micro

[@jurgnobs1308]

damn, i didnt see the part that demolition ships dont count as losses if they reach their target. so i just used the other two ship types. still worked, but the last part (when the enemy has demos) was pretty tight

[@GrahamHelliwell]

In recent versions, ships don't really stack anymore (meaning dodging a shot is hard) and the art of war missions are now on "fast" speed rather than "normal". Any hints on getting gold?

[@hikatoyshi]

Do what you can for the first two steps. For the last one, sneak demos two by two between the two enemy fleets: you will be able to sink fire ships one by one and damage galleys. When you don't have any demo left, go with the rest of your fleet but the damaged ones.

[@edmis90]

it's single player, you can change game speed midgame as well as use game pause

[@heidelburger_cheese]

@@edmis90 game speed is locked into normal. game pause does help. but i just am not yet able to get gold in this challenge.

[@AlejandroHernandez-hx9mh]

Hi, how can I put the control groups on this position?

[@marcdedouvan]

AMIRAL NELSON IS ASKING TO ME: "WHO IS THIS SILVER VIPER BOI PLEB WHO DARES TO CHALLENGE ME?"

[@bTheNomad.]

Love it. Keep up the amazing work

[@Alex-fo5tl]

i actually didnt use my demos because i dont read that they will not count as lost ships if u use them ...... still got gold :D

[@Teinve]

idk how you guys do this I can hardly beat the 1st wave of ships without losing anyone and he beats the whole thing with 0 losses

[@Alex-fo5tl]

@@Teinve just pull the weak ones back

[@masterscott3419]

So does anyone think Two Handed Swordsman will even watch this naval battle? I know we all like to see him comment. No infantry possible though so idk!?!?!?

[@phen6075]

All of us youtube plebs craving that silver medal. Give it to us! We *need* it

[@fyrjefe3928]

Anyone try to do this in 2021? AI acts very differently. I watched on several occasions the enemy ships here sail right between his fleet to chase a ship with a sliver of health left, like the war galleys at 6:03. Now they seem to switch targets and aggro much more efficiently. Still a good video demonstrating micro.

[@julesvaletas6647]

i just was, you might be right its true that it feels different

[@jeffhe4553]

it definitely changed a lot. i saw a lot of 2020 baiting tactics where the first ship aggroing could just fall back but now their line of sight switches pretty quickly. you have to try to extreme micro the aggroing ship by doing a 1v1 galleon and similarly to using castle fire dodging with cavalry, you could try to time the galleon shots, dodge and shoot to get his attention on you. but after x amount of ships go down, the entire swarm comes for you. my final phase i had to reset multiple times cause the stupid demo crap was just so dumb accidently splashing. i got extremely lucky in a head on demo 4 on each side where some deaths werent counted on my end. ended with a 4/5 lost with over a dozen resets

[@IschmarVI]

this one is essentially RNG now because of the enemy demo ships that can make your demos explode and count as deaths.

[@TheAireaidLord]

@@IschmarVI Yeah its fucking stupid because all these age youtubers have old ass videos on these missions so all the new buffs the AI got aren't covered in anyone's videos

[@Neky_Hina]

Aha. I see how you got 1 ship lost. At 6:21, your demo was to boom a fire ship, but the enemy's demo was targeting the demo of you. Maybe, one frame earlier did the enemy's demo make his way.

[@Sandcat87]

You are right, this is what happened. If you got to 6:21 with it paused, and you use the , and . keys to move forward/back frame by frame, you can see that red demo ship detonates one frame before, takes out Viper's demo, which in turn takes out red war galley and red fire ship. Just one frame earlier red gets him with his demo ship.

[@TSTBROTHERS]

Great video bro , keep it up!

[@ondrasuchanek6467]

that sound is strange, I played all missions today and sound was loud as usual..

[@danrobinson1729]

Dam hes gud

[@GTyellowjacket_aoe]

6:52 no 100% golden boy is 0 unit lost, you are 99% golden boy

[@andresrojasradrigan1651]

how do i follow live?, twich?

[@audriuskavaliauskas9762]

mixer

[@sturmgewehr4471]

There’s a link in the descriptions, but he normally streams on mixer

[@jeffhe4553]

yeah i felt this one a bit stupid. the demo is purely frame by frame rng

[@lightingman117]

6:20 after watching 10x I don't think you lost any ships.

[@FranciscoFloresNyu]

Yeah, just watch the pop, 26 then 2 ships exploded

[@Pimpmoble]

Golden boy.... Golden Viper?

[@diegeigergarnele7975]

I bet silver Edit: guess I'm just crap at the game

[@juanfisi]

God I dont like the voice acting for the tutorial, or most of the new voice acting for the campaigns, it should sound way more epic.

[@simonem.9628]

Best master.

[@joopieredcode]

Ffs i have been triharding this challenge for 20 minutes since i didnt want to use the demos 11

I did not use any demo ship to get gol medal and lost 0 ship. does this make me a better micro nerd than Viper?

[@IschmarVI]

no

[@melonetankberry5211]

good hoisting silver boi

[@AlexMathiesen]

Is anyone else only watching the end to see if he gets silver?

[@rentabledwarf578]

I assume that's why we're all here.

[@_charliezard_7218]

This doesn’t make any sense

[@Balintka9116]

Ah, gosh, whose idea was to put the challenges into the tutorial section - newcomer speaking...

[@kcbsuiejd]

I mean, going through them will teach you a lot, just dont stress about medals in the beginning imo :)

[@hendrikveenstra6761]

Good job! But you need some more training before you play ranked games. Keep it up!

[@waitforpasi3584]

I just watch these to see the silver boi again

[@inlovewithtm]

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[@MeNourovic]

First Pog

[@Valdore1000]

I like Viper's skill but that accent is on my nerves. It's like Romanian.

[@EtherealNinjaYT]

sounds racist