AOKZOE A1 Pro - PC & Emulation Showcase

[@TakiUdon]

Titles goofed, so here are the settings used for the games I tested *God of War* _28W / 1080p / Low + FSR Quality_ *The Skywalker Saga* _25W / 1080p / High_ *Hades* _15W / 1080p_ *Assassin’s Creed Odyssey* _28W / 1200p / Low_ *Spider-Man Remastered* _25W / 1080p / Very Low + FSR 2 Quality_ *Final Fantasy 7 Remake* _28W / 1080p / Low_ *Metro Exodus* _25W / 1080p / Low_ *Cyberpunk 2077* _15W / 1080p / Low + FSR Quality & 28W / 1080p / Low + FSR Quality_ *Crysis 3* _28W / 1080p / Low_ *Control* _15W / 1080p / Low 720P Render & 25W / 1080p / Low 720P Render_ *Monster Hunter World* _28W / 800p / High & 15W / 1080p / Low_ *Shredder’s Revenge* _8W / 1080p_ *GTA 5* _10W / 720p / Low & 15W / 720p / Low_ *Dragon’s Dogma* _20W / 1080p / Low_ *Death Stranding* _28W / 1080p / Low_ *Skyrim* _15W / 1080p / Med_ *Elden Ring* _28W / 1080p / Medium_ *Horizon Zero Dawn* _28W / 1080p / Low + No FPS_ *Dark Souls III* _28W / 1080p / Low_ *ARK: Survival Evolved* _25W / 1080p / Very Low + FSR 2 Quality_ *Stray* _28W / 1080p / Medium_

[@pokemon5975]

What's the game at 1:45?

[@TakiUdon]

@@pokemon5975 Windbound store.steampowered.com/app/1162130/Windbound/

[@gustavkje]

@@TakiUdon the one before that ?

[@hitotsufutatsu2203]

​@@gustavkje the last campfire

[@Heldermaior]

The god of war results are... Strange. You should be getting higher fps with FSR enabled. You are getting about the same performance at 1080p than a steam deck at 800p. I mean I can push settings up to original in God of War on some settings and get about 40 fps with some dips in combat but surprisingly stable. Based on the tflops calculations, you should have 3 to 4x the performance which should net an increase in resolution and a bump in settings or framerate. Probably a driver issue or related to the issues you were having

[@AidanMansonRoss]

honestly the amount of powerful handheld devices coming out in the past 2 years is amazing, the technology is getting so amazing

[@RichardServello]

I think we're a few years away from 3080 in a handheld.

[@arcaderacer586]

Always good to have 100 choices in the handheld pc section.

[@SRC267]

@@gambikules and ROG Ally

[@stevemuzak8526]

@@gambikules Not powerful enough and outdated.

[@BVA07]

@@stevemuzak8526 but it's cheap

[@ov3rkill]

Would love to see them compete at a budget-friendly price range though rather than at $1000 and above price.

[@RichardServello]

it really is

[@Evie0133]

6:00 I really appreciate you testing this game at night. The rain during night really tests the performance limits, since particle effects do impact performance quite a bit :)

[@GraveUypo]

these little devices are a dream come true. i've always wanted a portable pc. not a laptop, something like this. i'm fully content with my steam deck for years to come, but i'm glad to see it's not a dead end when it starts to give.

[@cryengine_x]

asus rog ally is the next big thing

[@TheSixthSLoT]

Really hard to beat the Steam Deck's price to performance. Even this new 7840U doesn't seem to outperform it at lower TDP's.

[@cryengine_x]

@@TheSixthSLoT its not hard at all lol everything does. steam turd is dead. at lower tdp's the 7840 will have better battery or more performance, or both. at 15w the deck get 1.5 hrs this gets 2.5.

[@crashdude7589]

@@cryengine_x what's the point in hating other PC based handhelds? Steam Deck catapulted Handheld PC gaming.

[@cryengine_x]

@@crashdude7589 yeah but valve fanboys is why i hate it, they bullied me

[@ahmedp8009]

It all depends on how much they'll be selling them for. With Steam Deck and Asus Alley being somewhat affordable, anything overpriced is bound to fail.

[@TakiUdon]

This

[@Tekgnome.]

@@TakiUdon This on paper has a better battery, and double the ram of the Ally for only $100 more. I think it's priced pretty competitively, but I don't think I'd buy it over the Ally. Maybe AOK should have done a 699 version with half the ram and a 720p screen. The 65w battery and a 720p screen would have probably sold pretty good.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

$800 for SUPER EARLY BIRD.... So $1000 for 99% of buyers

[@LiRaye]

When i'm buying these consoles, the most concern is the ui and updates. We can see steam deck keeps updating and squeezing the performance. especially the configuration of screen settings and key mappings. I don't think AOK and ASUS wil do so

[@yorkyalmanzar8959]

Not a fan of steam deck due to 2230 nvme! Expensive nvme for less tb compared to 2280

[@greenboots5823]

The fact that freaking METRO EXODUS can be played on a handheld just shows you how far we've come.

[@slicey80]

my 2 gen old mini 5800U can play it at low settings, 800p at 40 to 60fps. Whats more amazing is that we are almost there for 1080p low at 60...couple more generations!

[@avs_ytb]

Metro Exodus is quite an old title now but still it's awesome how good the handles are getting

[@omidbleo]

Old but gold, and graphics are amazing

[@mattdandrea9727]

runs flawlessly on Steam deck too

[@mmarafie7080]

Great first look. Would be nice to compare the FPS on the 7840u vs the 6800u with the same resolution and game settings at 10w, 15w, and 28w This would give us a better idea of the performance and efficiency of the 7840u

[@PixelShade]

I mostly play the Steam Deck between 1-10W, with the most demanding games like Cyberpunk locked at 9W for a total playtime of 3 hours. I'm making a high-res 2D adventure game myself and try to target around 1.5W at 720p60fps (5-6hours) or 4K60fps at 10W. This is really my biggest concern for the 7840U... it feels like it's an APU adapted for laptops and not handhelds, and handheld manufacturers need to compensate with a pretty big and hefty battery to cope with the extra power draw.

[@2010ngojo]

Seems like only big companies can convince the chip designers to make more efficient processors. The steam deck is efficient because Valve wants it to. Unless more handhelds become mainstream, amd or even intel won't make an efficient processor for these devices. Laptops aren't as limited, so not many people care.

[@FrowningTaco]

Well the battery life on this handheld isn't too bad he measured 2 1/2 hours at 15W. That's only a half hour less than what you get from SD but with being able to play Cyberpunk at 720p 60fps.

[@PixelShade]

@@FrowningTaco I mean that's all good (although I am having a hard time seeing that you can reach a solid 60fps in Cyberpunk at 15W). But in terms of new devices, they will have a tough time pushing the cost down as they need to be designed around a pretty excessive laptop-capacity batteries.

[@jamesdean433]

You need to produce a video comparing 7840u vs 6800u, that’s what people want to see, from Elden Ring performance, I can tell that there is not much difference in performance

[@majicalpandatech]

That’s due to them using the same speed of ram as a 6800u machine. Other devices coming out will show a larger gap

[@ivand5699]

@@majicalpandatechthat will always be the main limit to gaming in a handheld, memory bandwith.

[@pandabearmadness6263]

Just curious even though it has a 64 gb variant does that change it

[@jamesdean433]

@@majicalpandatech I highly doubt it from the performance figures I just saw , RDN3 is same as RDNA2 in every aspect , except for the chiplet design which you don’t get in APU, without archictetural improvement , I doubt this machine is any improvement , even if they boost then mem bandwidth

[@Jittrippin2050]

They had to sacrifice some of the performance because it’s a handheld we will find out the real performance when the laptops will release.

[@soldieroftafari]

I'm so happy to see this handheld market ramping up! Reminds me of the good ol days with my Atari lynx and my friend and his game gear. At this stage of my gamer nerd life however, I will wait until these things are capable of high/ultra settings at 1080P before I get one, hopefully that is this time next year!

[@kiri374]

Loving my new steam deck so far but I agree with wanting more power. Looking forward to Valve's next handheld.

[@travishamiltontattoos4635]

I dont think that will happen. Because once handhelds will achieve what is now considered the ultra settings on a pc. The PCs will be at like real life looking graphics. I think think just because of the size limitations PC will always have a light advantage. Unless that whole crystal based computers technology becomes the standard. Then maybe size won't matter.

[@christianr.5868]

Hopefully theres a 720p system with this chipset at some point. Im fine with that resolution for the performance qnd battery life gains

[@GraveUypo]

totally. 720p looks crisp enough in the small screens and this being 1080p makes the extra processing power moot as it runs worse than a steam deck at its native resolution despite having way more performance theoretically.

[@CPUjunkie]

Well actually 768p 🙃

[@DaleonM4]

I still remember the Aya neo 2 comparison between 800p version vs 1080p. 800p looks great bcs the games need low res to mantain fps and battery. But gamers be gamers and like high numbers. At least 1080p it's great for indies and emulation.

[@christianr.5868]

@@DaleonM4 true, not saying they should only make 720p models. Just have them as a lower end tier or something

[@Boogie_the_cat]

Yeah, I'd take 60 fps 720p over slower 1080p on a handheld any day of the week. Plus keep the price down, and 32 GB RAM is overkill IMHO

[@AceFondu]

It's funny how people slammed Nintendo for going with a 720p screen on the Switch, and now we are getting these dedicated PC super devices and people see the 1080 performance and are all like....eh maybe let's do 720p instead. lmao.

[@awdrifter3394]

Nah, 1080p all the way. Especially in these dual use handhelds. I have a Steam Deck and installed Windows dual boot, it sucks using it to browse website or do document editing on that low res screen. Most new games have some kind of upscaling, just use everything like FSR Balanced mode so it'll render at 720p internal resolution.

[@ggilewp8365]

At least here we have a choice, run at full resolution in less demanding games or scale down for AAA

[@AceFondu]

@@ggilewp8365 Except on a 1080p screen, lowering it to 720p makes it look blurry where a native 720p screen wouldn't. So, lots of AAA games will be blurry since this thing can't really do 1080p that well, unless you are fine with sub 30fps on lowest settings. And, on a screen that size you really aren't going to notice something like say, Shovel Knight looking that much sharper in 1080p. Honestly, it looks best on the Switch OLED screen as would a lot of indie games.

[@skyfigurefun]

To save battery i rather use 720p

[@NZRAV3R]

@@AceFondu you can always use FSR

[@AdmitthatijustdiditX]

Something I've noticed is a lot of the time the CPU is running at it's base clock of 3.3ghz or higher in games that are being GPU limited. This likely means that the CPU is taking power away from the GPU hurting performance (or battery life). I hope to see some third party tools used like motionassistant or others that help limit the CPU clocks to allow more power to the GPU. I also wonder if this is an area of improvement for the ROG Ally and why it's a semi-custom chip.

[@hksduhksdu]

I think you nailed the point, like in Spider-Man, the CPU usage was only at 30%? With some software optimization or utilities, they should be able to reroute some GPU to CPU to share the load for better efficiency and performance

[@patron7906]

Am I in the minority that 8" is perfect? The 7" steam deck is awesome, but I still have trouble w/ text and such w/ many games

[@ann0ynim0us]

what we are awefully missing is better battery tech. a handheld that can last for 7-8 hours on 25w would be nice.

[@SEVENTEENPOINT1]

Love my A1 sold my deck after I got it. The first PC handheld I am satisfied with. I might wait for the A3 or A4 to upgrade tbh.

[@melxb]

the lime green aokzoe a2 looks super sleek, definitely have my eye in it, love the more compact design and it'll come with zen 4 rdna 3/7840u of course

[@plaistowjames6792]

What a great time for handheld gaming!

[@numberoneappgames]

This future with handhelds is amazing. I can't agree more. :D

[@MikoYotsuya292]

Amazing performance. These are just rough numbers: At 15w, the iGPU performance is similar to a GTX 1050Ti while CPU roughly around a 2700x. At 30w, the GPU performance is similar to a GTX 1650 Max-Q and CPU is around 3600X.

[@leonc4653]

that is pretty insane if you think of how gaming laptops in 2017 used these, to have that much power in a handheld is amazing.

[@KingOfMadCows]

I wish they would add a trackpad. I got a OneXPlayer 2 for the bigger screen and I miss the Deck's trackpad. They don't need two like the Deck but one would be nice, especially since you use the mouse more with Windows.

[@melxb]

Ayaneo Next II will come with this 7840u and has similar design to steam deck with trackpads and all

[@o0mrrobot0o26]

Aww man, Crimson skies was an all time fav of mine on the og xbox!

[@canadianslotsguy]

Yes! I was waiting for this video. Thank you.

[@numberoneappgames]

I love the screen size and emulation! The price is high and that makes sense. I wish we got a lower-cost system that covers up to ps2 well. :D

[@travishamiltontattoos4635]

The Odin Pro plays around half the ps2 library no problem. Just sayin.

[@Sepharite]

Get a Samsung S20 FE.

[@bababooey9251]

I haven’t had a ps2 game not work on the steam deck.

[@lordhashimoto4035]

Hey Taki any chance you can do a performance comparison vs the 6800u processors at 15w for example? I think it'll be a great video since there are so many 6800u consoles out there. Thanks dude!

[@INXSibleStones-ItaliaFTW74]

I second that because it'd be good to see them side-by-side to see the generational uplift. With that said, taking into account 6800U benchmarks that both I've done in my spare time and others have done online, I feel like the performance jump is quite minimal, in line with the Phawx's cautious predictions about the ROG Ally. For example, I did a 3DMark Time Spy benchmark on my 6800U AOKZOE A1 and got a score of 2106 at 15 W (roughly in line with other benchmarks), which, compared to the 2308 Taki got with the A1 Pro at the same TDP, equates to a performance gain of less than 10%. Granted, the pre-release 6800U device benchmarks were typically lower (usually in the mid-to-high 1800s), with there being a small boost in performance likely from subsequent driver updates. Even with that in mind, the largest performance gain with driver updates compared to the 6800U you can expect to see is 20%, if that, and there's no guarantee that driver updates will even get us that. I feel like these 7840U devices (along with the ROG Ally) will be a great purchase for anyone in the market for a PC handheld that either hasn't upgraded in a long while or has never owned one period, but if you already own a 6800U handheld, there's very little reason to upgrade other than just wanting the latest and greatest. If you own a Steam Deck, there'd be more of a reason to upgrade due to the very restrained 15 W power budget for its APU, but if you own a 6800U device, there isn't much to see here.

[@dther6314]

When the Z1 and the Z1 Extrem are coming, thing will get even more spicy

[@3up3rn0va]

Wow the Steamdeck really did launch a whole new era of handhelds and I'm loving it! i'll probably won't buy all of them that'd be crazy expensive, but the videos and watching these handhelds slowly improve over time is fun to watch.

[@redscorpion9325]

Aya Neo,WinGPDOne X Player and other Companies has been making Handheld years before Steam Deck,I would say Steam Deck made it more Popular and known to Consumers

[@The-Sentinel]

GPD Win was first and paved the way but Valve certainly put these handhelds on the map

[@pgmp06]

There were other handhelds that came out way before the steam deck

[@ratmdex]

holy shit that screen is BEAUTIFUL!

[@carterjeffers9798]

Don’t really care for such a high resolution screen. Went with the lower end geek specifically because it’s 800p. Would love a nice 720p-800p free sync screen rather then a 1080p or 1200p screen.

[@crashdude7589]

Same, I'm on steam deck and I love it but I would also like to upgrade, I'm waiting for more information on comparing the deck at low TDPs to these new chips.

[@Dracossaint]

Hey if anyone's curious about the name of the game in the intro. It's called the last campfire :)

[@leonardomeitz]

~50fps in AC: Odyssey is amazing. I remember playing it on the SD, and the performance was totally worse (got like 45 FPS max or so on low 800p at 15W TDP) so this basically putting up double that (in resolution) makes me hope to see e.g. 720p at low with 60fps.

[@fatinsadab3821]

The way tech's evolving is scary

[@Latsu15]

Any chance you could provide 3D Mark scores for a 6800U handheld in your possession to compare against? For the 10/15 watt levels?

[@TakiUdon]

15W is 2108 overall / 1886 Graphics / 6338 CPU

[@jasonl3445]

I'm just playing the last campfire now I love it! Cheers!

[@pauldeshield]

I preordered this, but seeing you play hades has me more excited for the ROG Ally being able to play indie games at 120fps.

[@Bobmarleytronjr]

This looks insane

[@melxb]

did aokzoe/onexplayer manufacturers have a hand in the rog ally's design, so much of it looks identical to their design language, from the imprints on the buttons, dpad, shell shape, vent logo on the back, etc

[@theo5675]

I’m pretty sure they helped them

[@PixelisedPaul]

At this point I think I’d most value a handheld that could run light indie games and leave the AAA stuff to the PC. So something with a nice form factor, big battery and competitive price would be ideal.

[@cryc0s]

Then, steam deck is the best value for money

[@Pridetoons]

Well my Win600 is an amazing Indie Machine. To bad it's about $350-$400 for the best model.

[@Pridetoons]

​​@@cryc0s The Steam Deck is less portable than a Laptop. Plus it has less Software compatibility than any other Windows Handheld because it runs on Linux.

[@SHADOW543121]

I clicked on this being so excited you got to review the ally. Then I saw and remembered only like 2 people got to try it

[@j_dun4830]

A bunch of people got to try it ASUS had that event last week - there's a few people who have them, Phil Spencer had one on his shelf for Kind Of Funny.

[@Andy-wt6ym]

Hey Taki, did you enable AVX 512 on the RPCS3 emulator, its supposed to be a big performance gain of Zen 4.

[@ghoste7546]

Few more questions: a) landscape screen? b) how about analog stick performance? dead zone? c) how much % performance improve over 6800u? thx!

[@ArcadeArea]

Great video as always but I think we all have to stop obsessing with 60fps from this handheld. 30fps is more than enough especially when you're playing a single player game in a literal handheld.

[@Neowarshark]

nice video very informative taki :)

[@PerfectlyFriedBread]

Since this is on paper roughly equivalent to a Z1 extreme do you think the performance here is a rough preview of the Asus Ally? Or will tuning make that big a difference?

[@TakiUdon]

The games that I tested at 28W should be similar to Z1E.

[@Saif0412]

Would be interesting to see 720p or 800p performance

[@AlteredCarbons]

god the handheld market is on the come up and its going to get better and better. bigger company's probably been looking at them for a while now but didn't want to compete with the switch's market share as most handhelds are for "emulation" well thats no longer the main point of a handheld. they are literally computers now and have huge performance gains and if they play there cards right the handheld pc will become the norm... hell since i got my steam deck i dont even want to game on my pc as much. the only time i want to play on my pc is when i want it to look absolutely stunning and high res

[@ninjason57]

When it comes to handheld battery life I think 2 hours is sufficient when maxing out the power. Nobody really needs to play a video game for longer than 2 hours in a single sitting. It's good to take breaks. There's plugs basically everywhere so recharging is easy these days.

[@Pridetoons]

Personally I agree. I don't understand Kids and "Adults" that want to play Videogames for anything more than 2 to 3 hours a Session.

[@joker6558]

Airplane trips are typically longer than 2 hours.

[@dgwdgw]

@@joker6558 These days, airplanes on longer routes usually have AC power available at each seat, so that shouldn't be too much of an issue in practice.

[@Pridetoons]

@@joker6558 That's a special case scenario.

[@melxb]

exactly i just play home while wired 90% of the time, so i could care less about battery, max tdp 720 - 800p res + 30fps for the best graphics settings/visuals is what i go for

[@theblitz1687]

I hope we get a devices that can run at like higher tdps when plugged in

[@tamasszasz5749]

Great job!

[@thekite3h]

The 7840h has a TS score of up to 3200 points. There is a little difference between 2800 and 3200 points. 3200 points is a score that can achieve 60 frames when fully optimized in FHD with all the current basic advanced graphic effects. You need around 3500 points to be exact, but the FSR will make up for the shortfall. With 2800 points, that replenishment is a bit difficult.

[@Pridetoons]

Membrane Circular D-Pads are great just look at the Sega Genesis and Sega Saturn Controllers. Also the PC-Engine controller isn't too bad either.

[@Pridetoons]

We NEED more Circular D-Pads in the Handheld Gaming Market.

[@hey696969]

great video. I wonder is 32GB of ram a bit overkill for a handheld? this will reflect in the price

[@Mantenner]

idk, an extra 13w just to run games at 10-15 higher FPS than the deck at both their respective native resolutions. Seems like these chip makers should be lowering the resolution, otherwise performance at native resolution is essentially the same as the deck at MUCH higher TDPs. A device with a 720p screen is plenty and we would see insane performance.

[@shyrory]

I also mirror the sentiment I would prefer these devices have 800p resolution and a longer battery life than them trying to push a hd screen on it. Even if it'd 20 minutes more battery life, I'd take it. I personally don't use my device pressed against my face (like VR on Pimax) so resolution has diminishing returns for me.

[@dgwdgw]

Steam Deck's 7" 800p screen makes text pretty awful to read, in my experience. The extra pixels will be appreciated by users like me.

[@mattrogers6646]

​@@dgwdgw I agree. Battery life aside, even when I play Hades at 800p on my AyaNeo 2021, I am left wishing I has a 1080p/1200p screen because the text is rendered so poorly. I mostly play plugged in to a power source anyway, just love the convenience of the form factor in bed or around the house.

[@jc74435]

I think its normal for the single core performance not to scale with TDP, because usually single core tasks are not power limited. Meaning, you can max out one core even at 10w.

[@stacksmasher]

You should be running at 720 and upscaling.

[@elijahhmarshall]

Was hoping for retroid flip video. I was waiting for a taki udon review, but I ended up biting the bullet and buying one.

[@KyleRuggles]

I'm really excited for low TDP's like 7 and 10. Not bad!

[@samhuang683]

The charging issue when laying the device flat on a surface is abit concerning, the grip not pronounced enough to allow air on the underside? And i assume it did not occur when device is off? Will you be doing a comparison against steam deck and a 6800u device? same games/settings and tdp level etc.

[@TakiUdon]

I thought that it would provide enough, but that doesn't seem to be the case. 65W charging is not common on these devices. Some of the things that this competes with can only pull 30W or so regardless of whether or not the device is on. I kept the device off once I found that it only pulled 30W when it was booted up. As for your last question, I am planning to do that. It might not be with this device, but I will do it. I think I found most of the cases where 7840U blows the SD and 6800u out of the water at the same TDP.

[@enihi]

I wonder if they're considering having the fan on when charging at 60W

[@joe_schmoe_420]

Fun fact: Nintendo owns the patent for the + dpad Thats why no one else uses it

[@dgwdgw]

@TransCube Stadia controller had a + style dpad, too.

[@mattrogers6646]

The HAD the patent when the NES/Famicom was produced, but it has long since expired. Many other companies can and do make cross-style D-pads now. But during the 8-bit and 16-bit console era, that was the reason you didn't see cross D-pads on Sega or TurboGrafx-16/PCEngine or any other competitors' controllers.

[@eccentricbeing]

The benchmarks were honest. It doesn't seem to run any different than the Steam Deck at 800p than this device at 1080/1200p. There were a few exceptions like Control. But I don't know...I think this device needs its hardware to be better integrated in order to get better performance. Elden Ring runs the same here as the Steam Deck in high settings. Should that happen?

[@TakiUdon]

It's Steam Deck @ 800p vs. 1080p on this. It's possible for them to be the same at that point.

[@eccentricbeing]

@@TakiUdon It certainly looks that way. The device probably would've benefited greatly performance-wise with a 720/800p screen.

[@marcuslestrade]

I'll probably buy something this in 5 years when it can run more games at 60+ fps.

[@ROT8TED]

Hopefully handhelds will orient devs on more story telling focused and open world density development aspect of games especially with tools like AI assisted asset generation.

[@demounit]

that sounds terrible

[@skycloud4802]

No matter how many of these I watch, the specs always go straight over of my head. Clock speeds and processor names may as well be alien language to me.

[@lisov4575]

Hold your horses! I just received my Aya Neo GEEK pre-order with 6800U! I'm already outdated?!

[@redscorpion9325]

😂 Trust me its hard to stay updated when they release new Devices every few Months

[@yessir733]

does the GPD WIN 4 run persona 3 fes im planning to get one when i get a job this summer

[@Javadamutt]

I wonder if the problem with the fan is a voltage one. Setting below “30%” could mean that the voltage control isn’t accurate enough or sets the voltage too low to cause the fan to spin. Just a potential theory

[@Switcher44]

🔥🔥👏🏻

[@Wimmle]

Every time I see a new powerful handheld i just think of 720-1080p 30-60fps Xbox native handheld with cloud as option it woild be great

[@NickHandGaming]

Cool device , but don t really see big improvment with the 6800u. Want to see jedi survivor at 800p on this device got 22 fps with the 6800u

[@TakiUdon]

It crashes on my drivers.

[@NickHandGaming]

​@@TakiUdon oh shame to read you for this game, Very good work taki udon. Thanks.

[@dinosaurd7295]

Is the screen native landscape or rotated ?

[@TakiUdon]

rotated

[@seanc6754]

So this is pretty much what the z1 extreme ally will play like

[@martykong3592]

:) I am not a gamer, BUT bought a steamdeck after seeing my daughters' and use it as a UMPC with Linux :) What OS is running under this? THANKS MUCH for sharing, and ALL the BEST! Cheers! :)

[@TakiUdon]

This is running Windows. It can technically run Steam OS, but it wouldn't be as seamless as a Deck.

[@martykong3592]

@@TakiUdon Thanks much for share and reply! Not meaning to run steam, but LINUX :) would make a great umpc with portable monitor, etc. ALL the BEST and Cheers! :)

[@tahsin28]

Was exxpecting more from 780M. Please so a comparo with 680M, iris Xe, laptop 1650, laptop 3050 and other stuff.

[@JC7119]

Out of curiosity how does this compared to the 6800u?

[@TheSixthSLoT]

And this is why I didn't get the Win 4 right away. The design is amazing, but I knew this was right around the corner, and likely Q3 of this year, GPD is going to refresh their 6800U models with 7840U models.

[@jeffreyali1456]

Isn’t it a little too big though. Win 4’s design looks a lot more compact and yet powerful

[@gmr2gnr]

Not comparable as part of Win 4 selling point is the keyboard.

[@FrowningTaco]

I don't think you guys get it he's not sayin that he would choose this handheld over the GPD Win 4. He's sayin he knew he was right in waiting for a refreshed version of the GPD Win 4.

[@jeffreyali1456]

@@FrowningTaco but that could take a long time. And the 6800 is already powerful enough

[@FrowningTaco]

@@jeffreyali1456 Well in OP's comment and in Takis video it is known that the 7840U is a drop in upgrade for anything that uses a 6800U. So if it takes long to come out(refreshed GPD Win4) it's cause GPD doesn't want to make those who bought the 6800U version feel bad.

[@danh2716]

Good to know that the fan can handle the load, but how noticeable is the fan noise? The main draw for the Ally is everyone saying how quietly it runs. Any comment on sound levels of the fan at different loads?

[@TakiUdon]

The 30% fan speed that I talk about in the thermal section is probably good enough to cool up to 13W and you can't hear it when the volume of the device is at 15. You need around 75% fan speed to cool 28W TDP (it would keep the CPU temps at ~65-70C). At that level, you need 100% volume to cover the fan noise. I tend to stay between 15W and 20W. Fan noise isn't bad in that range.

[@Tekgnome.]

The main draw for me is the screen on the Ally. Its both brighter and supports VRR between 40-120hz making low fps gaming feel smoother than it actually is.

[@danh2716]

@@Tekgnome. True, but 8" would be nice (twss).

[@Tekgnome.]

@@danh2716 Thats true. Either way I'm excited! With the push for handheld systems the upcoming systems are amazing and probably just the tip of the iceberg for systems in the next few years.

[@fuegonomics2536]

I can't wait to get my hands on a Win Max with one of these chips in it.

[@xSoNiCcRaCkErSx]

Was hoping you would compare 6800u vs this to see how big of an upgrade is really is.

[@suhtangwong]

Reminds me of the underrated 2ds!

[@paulkill8]

Competition is good...im sure the 'switch 2' will be more powerful and innovative than before

[@zark247]

1:40, what game is that. Also if possible, in the future could you add the title of the game on screen

[@luigigrabspam4596]

I really think 1080p doesn't make sense for this chipset, i guess its a nice option to have for somethings like emulation, but you sacrifice so much.

[@jdeag3138]

How well did they implement gyro controls? I feel like the steamdeck is the only one that does it well. I had a onexplayer with gyro but steam would recognize it as a Xbox controller which had no gyro option. So had to use a 3rd party program handheld companion to get it to work

[@jordy786]

Nice video, but what about PUBG, Warzone 2, Football Manager & Crusader Kings?

[@AntonioCeglia]

Just bought a steam deck, and now i need this one

[@oOZellzimaOo]

There is a lot to like, but I'm gonna point out some negatives. -RGB one the palm rest. Really? -Not OLED (For the price I expected that at least) -Pretty heavy at 730g.

[@beasthunt]

I'm wondering if this is what we can expect from the ROG Ally.

[@JennyJewels]

i just can't wait for the rumored amd cpus with beastly apus to make their way to this market eventually.

[@mauriliojunior84]

Hello Taki, so the screen brightness is about 400 nits and not 350 S stated on oficial specs?

[@BluMush]

As I said before and will always say it. I think handhelds should be with the best looking panel possible, but at 720p. There should be no reason to lower the resolution to achieve 60fps or just a stable fps. Handheld PCs are getting better and better, but not to where 1080p is it's default.

[@cornspring5842]

Test it with cinebench. Geekbench for mobile.

[@Berd95]

I would love the gpd win 4 with that cpu

[@GAz0Line]

already backed this one on the first day hopfully its gonna arrive soon, i was really mad at this company my first device wasnt taht good at all sold it and got the gpd win4 and now bought this for 800 euro couldnt say no for the price point and i think its gonna be better than the ally becasue of 32gb ram 2280 ssd iam gonna be putting a 2280 4tb and so much memory with 2230 is not possible now and not to forget that they did the same like the steam deck which i hated only one usb c port

[@eiceys4612]

what was the problem with the win 4 for already buy a new handled ?

[@yassertechtips5568]

what's stopping us from havig quad channel main stream cpus , i'm pretty sure that would help with memory bandwith

[@i_am_raph]

unironically got one as a dedicated GB emulator for pokemon

[@Ti0Luch0]

Have you considered making a Handheld? with a Snes form factor?

[@XerkoGames]

The Ally has the Z1 Extreme, do you think this handheld will have similar performance as the Ally?

[@Tekgnome.]

We still don't have specifics on the Ally but in theory, it should be even faster. This machine is limited to 28W, the Ally will do 30w. What we don't know is if the Ally will have LPDDR5-6400 or LPDDR5x-7500. It should be noted that the Ally has a much better screen that supports a much brighter display, and VRR between 40-120hz. This makes games feel like they are smoother than they actually are even at lower frames between 40fps-60fps Also, the Ally only has 16gb of ram. While its not likely to have performance issues with 1080p and 16gb, The AOK has 32gb minimum.

[@Oryon7]

I'm getting the impression that; for the specs this thing is boasting, combined with rendering at a lower internal resolution AND low settings, many of those games tested ought to be much closer to 60fps. Seems like the API is leaving a lot of performance on the table. When Nintendo Switch came out, from launch right throughout its entire life cycle, there was ALWAYS the sense that the thing is punching FAR above its weight. These PC handhelds, while very powerful, aren't giving me that impression(Steam Deck, to a lesser degree). It's for that reason that, I'm eager to see what Nintendo & Nvidia will come up with now that they have a successful model to build upon(including a already highly optimized API), a TON more R&D money, a LOT of time to delve into GPU customizations, and performance watermarks being set by the current generation of PC handhelds. It's going to be virtually impossible for it to disappoint, performance wise, even if it's not the most powerful handheld on the block. We've come that far!

[@Peaky456]

ha bro love from india south - bro 7800x3d or 7900x or any other suggestions plz tell which one is best for me, this cpu for only streaming gaming all for youtube maybe premiere pro photoshop thats all

[@corndog9482]

I'm not sure if this is what I am seeing, so please correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that when games are being played at 16:9 resolutions on that 16:10 screen, it generates artifacts of some kind. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with pixels like mismatching somehow. The picture seems more aliased, especially in motion.