Apartment Charging My Ioniq 5 Isn't As Bad As I Expected!

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[@tomm5936]

Here’s my (long) story. I got my EV6 in Nov 2021. I live in a new apartment building in Denmark. Here the code mandates EV chargers in new buildings and there are 5 level 2 chargers in the garage (not enough for 180 apartments today). I got the first one of those spots and could charge for the equivalent of about 30 cents per kWh and I had my own charger. A bit expensive but great convenience. Then Russia invaded Ukraine and electricity prices went crazy, suddenly the price more than doubled and stayed high even when energy prices came down. I complained many times but the landlord doesn’t own the chargers and just refers to the owner and they dont want to change the pricing. People with hybrid cars still charge because it’s cheaper than gas (very expensive here). When there’s no competition price gouging is real. I have tried getting the management company to install more chargers with a different operator, but no luck. Then I started charging at work and on the street. Street charging is great here, many operators, they compete on price, parking reserved for EVs and strictly enforced, chargers are always 11 or 22 kw. I saw a broken charger recently, I called customer service, they were happy I called and in 3 hours a guy was there to fix it. More than 10% of the cars on the streets in Denmark are EVs and more than 50% of new car sales. Operating level 2 chargers in cities is a real business now. Some operators have flat pricing, some variable based on the variable price they pay the utility, some have subscriptions which lower your price. It’s a bit of a jungle and there’s a lot of money to save or waste if you don’t look around. Mostly I’m happy, and I believe it’s much better than what the U.S. has. Lastly I want to mention we have to bring our own type 2 cable so we never see broken cables.

[@jaygaeta9780]

We live in a condo building in Philly. Our Green Committee obtained a couple of grants that paid for 2/3 of the infrastructure costs to install a junction box accessible to every space in our 69 assigned spaces garage. Anyone that wants EV charging in their space asks the office, pays a one time "activation fee" of $875 (includes installation of a hardwired Wallbox Pulsar Plus 48 EVSE). The smart chargers meter electricity use and the office adds electricity used for charging to our monthly bill (cost is typically 6 to 8 cents per kWh). The monthly charge for each of the 69 spaces went up $5; this, fee plus the one time activation fee paid for the 1/3 cost not covered by grants. We will have to share power between 4 to 5 spaces (smart charger support dynamic load management and adjust power automatically as appropriate). The chargers are owned by the building, and staff managers installs and repairs in perpetuity (just another amenity). Best deal in Philadelphia!

[@fuckthisksksjjksdfjd]

That is weird that the complex owns them but you have to pay for them. At least the electricity fee is very low.

[@BrianTRice77]

I’m a renter in a triplex house with a mom and pop landlord, and our solution to charging was to install a switch on the dryer outlet (NEMA 10-30) and then another tenant and I run out a 24A EVSE between his Model Y and my Ioniq 6. It’s worked pretty well TBH!

[@davidkreim6544]

Corbin, my sister lives in Somersworth NH ,in an apartment complex that was converted from a former warehouse. I visit her nearly every year in the fall (for the foliage). Her complex has no EV charging at all, so it's a little inconvenient when I visit, as I have to find DC fast charging. I did notice a few EV's in the parking lot, so these residents would also need to seek DC fast charging. This is no doubt an issue as they consider the purchase / lease of a new vehicle, as the charging inconvenience and relatively higher cost of DC charging may make it difficult to justify an EV. I also wonder about younger people starting out in an apartment, facing the same dilemma. I've generally been happy with the increase in DCFC roll-outs, thanks in part to NEVI funding, but we still have a long way to go in filling the voids in level 2 charging. Thanks for your content Corbin. Much appreciated!

[@LemonSanitizer]

I lived in a condo for 6 months without any charging. Had a cheap L2 near work and a free 2-hr L2 near home. Was super doable! Your chargepoint situation seems so awesome, enjoy!

[@JacGoudsmit]

I'm not in an apartment but I am in a rental house. I asked around, and unfortunately the electric service to the house would need to be updated to have an EV charger added to the panel. But fortunately one of the previous owners had a NEMA 10-30 installed in the laundry room that's shares a wall with the garage, and I'm using a dryer that runs on natural gas and only needs 110V. So I moved the outlet from the laundry room to the other side of the wall and plugged in a 50 foot 30 amp extension cord, that goes to a 26A (6kW) Level 2 charger. I spent about $400 for the charger and $150 for the extension cord. Better than the $2000+ that it would have cost to upgrade my panel and electric service. Most of the time I charge at EA because I still have the "2 year free charging" deal on my 2023 Ioniq 5, but when that expires, I'm all set for charging at home.

[@skyemalcolm]

The 6 kW limit of 206 V which is the voltage you get on a 40 A breaker splitting off of 480 V three phase in commercial infrastructure.

[@42dunbar]

Why couldn’t you just bump it up to 48A if you’re doing a new installation?

[@vhol93]

Right now it isnt an issue, but in the future it may be... I'm totally in favor of idle fees! Charging to 100% may take a while but its ok, but not charging + taking up a spot is totally not cool to other people who may really need it

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I am too but for a complex where we’re not nearly maxing our capacity, it seems unnecessary for now. But when I think about it more and the fact that we’re close to the subway, we could potentially get a lot of people that don’t live here just taking them up all day by just plugging in and getting free parking near the train

[@Cyrribrae]

@@TheIoniqGuy on the other hand, this could be a money making exercise too. Surely should be possible to lock out some points for residents only (passkey or charging app access or hell, even a combination padlock) - if companies care to implement. And then the other units could be really expensive/time-based for people who want to use it as charging all day. Doesn't alleviate the issue for residents, but is perhaps a way to encourage some investment there

[@pdculbert]

Our 100-unit building (Vancouver, BC) recently install installed 5 - 5.9 kW Flo chargers. I can relate to the issue of idle fees while charging in an apartment building. If I need to charge for five hours and I plug in at 9 PM, I’m not going to go unplug it at 2 AM, and it’s not like I would be blocking anybody else who would be waiting to charge then. Fortunately, the building management messed up the fee set up. I think they meant to only allow residents to charge, but instead anyone with a Flo account can charge (C$2/hr) and building residents can charge for free. I hope it takes them a very long time to figure that out. 😂

[@42dunbar]

Isn’t Flo one of those charging brands with a bad reliability reputation?

[@pdculbert]

@@42dunbar They're actually quite reliable. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJDdqKmef81jkNU

[@42dunbar]

@@pdculbert I stayed at a Courtyard hotel and all of the level 2 Flo chargers in the parking garage weren’t working (the valet warned me). I ended up using the Chargepoint level 2 chargers which have never given me a problem.

[@mikefallcity]

This was a good discussion, I’ve had many friends asked me how I like my IONIQ 5 (SEL 2024) which I’ve had for 6 months. We have two other ICE vehicles so it’s not our only car but is the most driven vehicle. I’ve said if I could not charge at home with a level 2 charger and had to rely on public chargers or chargers that cost more than my house electric rate I probably would not own an EV. On average I use 330kWh a month which cost me $45 in WA State. I love my IONIQ5 with 4 annoyances, no auto lock, no back window wiper, no wireless Apple car play and no memory seats. That said I love driving the car. I would be interested in others monthly cost to charge obviously it’s going to vary a lot based on usage.

[@keegan854]

We averaged 183 kWh/mo and $17.07/mo for home charging over the first year of owning a Kia EV6. That's mostly at an overnight rate of 9¢ per kWh (including taxes and fees). We did a roughly equal amount of public charging (lots of road trips) and paid about 3.5x as much per kWh. And that's even with opportunistic use of cheap/free public level 2. Home charging is where it's at!

[@Gerry090]

Back when I had my 2020 Kia Souls EV (that I highly regret selling but the pandemic destroyed my finances and my brain), I was charging it at a public lvl 2 charger a few minutes away from my apartment. Never had any problems. Apartment charging isn't as bad as we may think. Then again, the charging infrastructure in Quebec is overall better than in some parts of the US.

[@E_Schepp]

Regarding the Chargepoint Level 2 chargers. The $2 connection fee pays for the Chargepoint backend and transaction fee (I have seen these at some Hotels as destination charges). The biggest issue I have with these units is not that you only get 6kW but in my experience that power gets HALFED when another EVs plugs in and you share power on a post (making it very hard to figure out when you will reach your desired state of charge). Example: You might plug in at 5pm in the afternoon and it tells you that you would reach your desired state of charge at 7am in the morning but then another EV plugs in at 10pm and you start sharing power and you desired charging level will take 2x as long. I think you can ask your property owner (since they control the Changepoint station) to not charge idle fees overnight since it is not reasonable to unplug at 3am in the morning (the rest of the day it's aok).

[@42dunbar]

Interesting, I use a Chargepoint level 2 that’s located on my residential street and they don’t have that limitation. You can have two cars both pulling 6.9kw which happens quite a lot since it’s a busy charging location. Maybe if they can pull the power straight from the utility pole they don’t run into those limitations.

[@brokeboy87]

I work security at some apartment complexes. Some property managers will have ice cars removed for parking in EV charging stalls.

[@DivineDart]

My first real electric vehicle is the velotric discover 2, it's honestly the best way around the Boston area lol

[@tkmedia3866]

I have several properties, private and commercial. 50 year old single family home has 240/20amp EV charging on 100amp breaker, was “free” cost me nothing to install due to local utility rebates. Renter did not have a EV when they moved in. They now drive a Model 3 because they had a charger to use. Duplex, renter A has a EV. I had the 240/30amp circuit installed for free by buying a car as I used to live there. Rented it specifically because there was charging. Renter A provided their own charger. Renter B sees how easy it is and is considering a EV. I previously owned a restaurant. I had charging for myself and other staff there as there was incentive’s in my county to do so, cost me very little.

[@COSolar6419]

Most public Level 2 chargers I've seen are 6-7 kW or less. For most people/EVs, that is fine for overnight charging since you rarely need to go from 0% to 100% SOC. We have four 4-6 kW L2 chargers available at our Community Recreation Center. Since we park there anywhere from 7-10 hours a week, we easily get a sufficient free charging to cover our typical weekly around town driving. We do have a 40 amp L2 home charger which covers all of our other charging needs other than long road trips.

[@ryancarlson1494]

Nice overview and I’m glad it’s been working for you! I have said that workplace charging, apartment charging, and urban townhome locations (homeowners park on the road and have no garage) for level two charging is the most needed infrastructure. Really does not make sense to leave these people to rely on DC fast charging. DC fast charging is so much more expensive to put into place and should remain the EV’s solution for road tripping, not daily charging

[@TuomasLeone]

We've got the same chargepoint charger at my condo. The slow charging can be a pain, but I find it useful for an overnight charge since I don't want to have the car full at 3AM and then incure the idle fee. In fact sometimes I even crank down the amps in my car to get an even slower charge. But I only do this on an overnight charge, not wanting to hog up a space. We don't have the flat fee, but we're charged .37¢ /kw and then a $2.00 per hour idle fee after 30 min. We only have one post, with two connectors but so far they haven't been oversubscribed. I'm in Miami, FL-

[@Draconis8888]

Cool to see how the apt charging is working out for you. I'm waiting for that ConnectDER to hit my local area to be a more viable solution to my old home.

[@FriedOrca]

Mentions of the e-bikes makes me think of the Aptera, which is getting close to production. Its .13 drag coefficient gives it 400 mile range on 42kwh battery, so level 2 or even outlet charging will yield much more range/hour of charging, plus solar panels will top off/add a bit during the day.

[@TassieEV]

I live in Australia and am in a Townhouse with a garage. When I got my first EV, classic Ioniq 28kWh, I asked the property manager if I could get a 15A outlet put in, at my cost, which was ok'ed by the owner probably at the time should have got a 32A put in but it's done me fine to be fair I used the included granny charger exclusively on my Ioniq and now with my new 2024 Kona bought a 15A granny charger to get that slight better charge rate vs the 10A included charger. It's worked well for me pull about 3.3kW and the lowest I've arrived home is about 12% but I don't charge to 100% very often typically 80-90%.

[@42dunbar]

I’m in Los Angeles and use a Chargepoint level 2 that is conveniently located about 1/2 block from my apartment on a residential street. I get 6.9kW when charging my Ioniq 5. My city sets the rate they can charge ($.35/kWh) which is actually barely more expensive than what it would cost to charge at home if I could.

[@MartyMotoring]

Not a bad setup! We are looking to move out of the area, and all the apartments we've looked at in the new area don't have any chargers and parking is sparse as well. So it will be a challenge, but I plan to walk more and use my Honda Navi or E-scooter. There are some chargers in town, so I can always use my scooter to get to and from the car, and it folds into my trunk.

[@meholden]

It's been a while since I did this, so it may have changed, but in the past with chargepoint you could stop the charge from the app, without unplugging, and it would stop the idle fee at that point. I used to leave my leaf at a charger several blocks away and this let me go home while it charged and not have to rush back when it was done.

[@lanceareadbhar]

I assume like everything is that it depends. If you are one of the few EV owners that use the one available, you can probably schedule nights or days for each one to use it unless there is an emergency. The big problems come from when there are many EV owners making scheduling it difficult or if it breaks and the management is slow to fix it depending on the cost. I'm glad these are available, but they seem rare and they could eventually not be reliable so always have a backup plan.

[@ihavethereason1]

My current apartment complex has multiple chargers but the fees are ridiculous around 50 cents per kwh, luckily down the street there is a station charge point station that gives 2 hours free and then charges one dollar per hour. My previous complex was amazing they charged a flat fee of 25 dollars per month to use the chargepoint chargers they had in the garage.

[@harvey66616]

As an EV owner, I can empathize with the tendency to want regulations to address the difficulties of charging at places like condos, apartments, other multi-family residences. But I caution anyone thinking that way to reconsider. EVs are definitely better than ICE vehicles. But they aren't going to solve climate change. In the bigger picture, we just need to be less car dependent. At the same time, housing costs are astronomical in North America, largely as a result of exactly the kinds of regulations being proposed here. We already have trouble with cities that impose requirements about the number of parking spaces in an apartment, which drives up construction costs and supports car dependency. The former makes it harder to build enough housing, and makes what housing does get built too expensive, and the latter just perpetuates the near-mandatory aspect of having to own a car. Cities that have rolled back regulations requiring minimum numbers of parking spaces have already started to see positive benefits. Developers do their own research, and figure out how many spaces they really need in order to sell apartments. The same thing would be true of EV charging stations. As EVs get more common, there will be a natural increase in demand for charging stations, and the savvy landlords will make sure enough exist to meet that demand, to compete better with the other sites that fail to install them. Writing new regulations to require charging stations could help in the short run, but in a decade or two the regulations would be obsolete, and will always just be another barrier to reasonably priced housing construction. Better to let the free market handle incentivizing charging station installations, and leave open the door for apartment buildings that cater to residents with fewer or even no cars, as individual landlords choose.

[@Rioichi4]

"There's no charging infastructure" is always the argument I see against buying an EV. Except when people say that, they're talking about public charging stations ... when most EVs are charged at home or work. So BIG second to adding more charging at apartments and places of work.

[@zachlamoreaux5974]

Frankly I think session fees for any L2 charger is insane. Idle fees make sense, but it really should only kick in if all the chargers are full/half full/etc. whatever actually makes sense at the charger. But also idk if Chargepoint gives those kinds of options to the site operators.

[@StephenByersJ]

Apartment charging will only get more important in the next 1-3 years as this wave of EVs come off leases and a new market of apartment dwellers get their hands on them - with no free DCFC included! I’d love for you to follow up on this topic in the next couple years to see how things are going.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

I didn't even think about that!

[@lemongavine]

I like the idea of idle fees, but not when they are mostly unused. Once they get more EVs and they start getting full, the idle fee would help, but it should only apply from, let’s say, 9:00am to 9:00pm. You shouldn’t have to go to your car at night to move it. My garage has 6 charging spots but the garage is otherwise full so they want the EVs to park in the spots, even when not charging.

[@42dunbar]

Pretty easy to game idle fees on level 2 chargers by reducing the maximum amp charge setting in the car’s software.

[@lemongavine]

@ Agreed, but not all cars support this. My Ford Mach-E does not, but my Hyundai Kona EV does.

[@Snerdles]

32 * 208 is 6656, that's why they are rated 6.6kw. Doing more current needs fat expensive cable.

[@charleshood]

I know the 2025 IONIQ 5 now comes with a NACS port instead of CCS. Does Hyundai offer a new V2L adapter for the NACS port, or is the V2L functionality handled differently now? I’d love your insight on how this works! Thanks for your time and great content!

[@platformfanatic]

My first year with my Ioniq 5 I had to drive down to the local business park and plug-in at the Chargepoints down there and walk back. That was annoying enough to move and my next place had 2 Chargepoint parking spots. Similar cap of 6kW with a 4 hr limit before the rate jumps to $5 an hour. I'm in CA and it's wild how many more of my neighbors have gotten EVs in the past year. I briefly tried to charge off the 120V in my garage spot but they did not want me to do that...😅

[@platformfanatic]

My landlord showed me it was against my lease to charge in the garage off the 120V outlet, however the lease made it sound like they were required by law to accommodate charging if I requested it (probably a CA thing). Of course they were already accommodating me technically since there were chargers on site, just not in my garage spot.

[@pierreforget3357]

My son had a girl friend at his apartment building (10 stories high) that had a Kia Soul EV. The owner installed a level2 charger and charged her a fixed amount per month an the parking spot was reserved for her only.

[@joyousenoful]

Seems like a very good model as long as it’s not too much

[@Hersses-tech]

I recently bought a kia ev6 I live in Miami and this city is pretty bad for ev cars. In my case I live near the dealer and once a week on my day off I charge my ev there the best part is that it is free. I save a lot of money because I don't buy gas but honestly I think that if you don't have the facility of a charger at your home or workplace the best thing is to buy a hybrid car which more convenient to live without house charger.

[@bloodycreepy]

My shop put chargers in the ground a year ago and still have not gotten them energized to use

[@lanceareadbhar]

They probably got a tax credit to install it, but not turn it on....

[@bravadita]

Ahat did you use to find an apartment with ev charging? We're looking to do similiar

[@TheIoniqGuy]

There are sometimes filters in the search functions but going to complex’s websites sometimes they’ll brag about having them and put that info front and center

[@Cedar1956]

Can't you run an extension cord from the backseat plug for your e-bike?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

Neither of my cars have V2L inside

[@Cedar1956]

@@TheIoniqGuy Oh, was that only in the EV6? My Ev6 Wind AWD has it.

[@TheIoniqGuy]

No, but only the top trims of the Ioniqs have it. I have the middle and lowest trim.

[@rhamel1717]

Eastern Canada with , 2024 Ioniq 6 AWD Stuck open bumper louver issue: "Michelin smaller winter wheels/tires" Last night, my wife called me for a stuck bumper louver that prevented the closing of the right side louver and increasing kWh demand on a 300 km highway trip; Temp. was -15 C degrees (5 F degree). She was using 23 kWh at 115 km/h (2.7 mi/kWh) at 71 mi/h) Having a similar car, would you be aware of this issue and how to cope with the stuck louver issue. I do have the 2023 Ioniq 5 that from time to time in the winter slush has this issue but normally it resumes to normal operation when left in the garage overnight. This Ioniq 6 louver has been stuck open for over 2 weeks even after leaving it overnight in the garage. The temperatures / snow is worst by the day. We do have an appointment at the dealership on the 18th of December. Please advise if anyone knows a procedure to bring this louver back to closed position. Thanks and have a very nice day, Richard .

[@benwinslow3101]

I think pretty much all the public charge point level 2s are 6.6 kw.....I work at UMD and that's what we've got.

[@yuvrajrallapalli1268]

Now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever gotten more than 5.9kW on any of the chargepoint chargers with my ioniq 5

[@COSolar6419]

That is true for most ChargePoint Level 2 installations but I have used one two plug unit that is capable of 19 kW or 9.5 kW when shared.

[@42dunbar]

I use one located on a residential street in Los Angeles so it may pull the power straight from the utility pole. It does a rock solid 6.9kw even with two cars pulling power simultaneously.

[@nygener]

We bought Ioniq 6 2024 SEL and we installed ChargePoint charger in our garage here in NY, I charge overnight and get about 9.4 KWH which is great, but it's not cheap (I don't know if it's cheaper than gas) If I divide my September to October electric bill from ConEd $122 by 279 KWH it comes to almost 0.44 Cents a KWH, Am I wrong? I see people saying it cost them 0.17 or about and I wonder where do they live and how come it's so much more expensive in NY?

[@tomvaccariello3019]

There is a $20 monthly fee to use con ed so you’re probably paying close to $.30 a kilowatt hour. They have a smart charge program that gives a discount for charging at night. You should check it out.

[@nygener]

@@tomvaccariello3019 Thanks. You're correct that there is a Basic Service Charge of $18.37 a Month. but it's still comes down to 0.3738 a KWH which is way too high to justify having an EV and saving on Gas (Other than "saving the world")

[@junehanzawa5165]

If you come from apartment living, you know no one has a gas pump at their apartment, so they just go to a public charger, especially a low cost, time of day Supercharger (for example, near me you pay $0.18 cents before 8am or $0.23 cents per kWh after 10pm to 4am), once a week and charge up just like you filled your tank up before. And that's if you work in the city and not out of it. If you work outside of it, then they charge once a week on your way to or back from work. I really don't understand this mentality of having to a have charger at your apartment when no one had a gas pump in it for their ice vehicles. I know that people with homes are spoiled that they can just install a level 2 charger and it's super convinient, but that mentality is really hurting EV adoption by feeding this spoiled idea to anti-EV FUD spreaders, when they never had a gas station at their home before.

[@njchang]

I’m probably putting this into the wrong comments section or should use Reddit. But I’m wondering if someone has thoughts on if it’s my Ioniq 5 charging port or my level 2 charger I’m having issues with. So often I have to plug, unplug and replug my level 2 home charger to get it started. Never tried a level 2 charger not at home, but a level 3 works fine. Anyone any thoughts? Level 2 home charger bad pins? Not a charging port issue?

[@TheIoniqGuy]

You don't happen to have an Enphase charger do you that ties into your solar panels if you have them?

[@njchang]

Nope it’s a ChargePoint Home.

[@devoe4096]

So 2025's Ioniq 5's are having problems. I see someone posting on Reddit about their car.

[@flolou8496]

Dumb Question: " Why our apartment building's or even larger complexes that over 40 to 200 apartments on the site still more likely to only have Level 2 chargin and not Level 3 faster charging ''

[@TheIoniqGuy]

That's a good question. Likely cost but I could totally see having a handful of 50kW chargers that can do most people's charging in an hour and then just have steep idle fees to get them to move.

[@TheMadPackerr]

Politics don’t matter. I’m a conservative and love EVs.