Apex Tap Strafe Nerf REVERTED & Also Important Conversation

[@Dazs]

Quick video breaking down Tap Strafe Nerf, but the fact it was reverted. We go over the context, if you missed it, how I missed it also, and also how it impacted gameplay while playing yesterday. We now go onto a bigger conversation about making sure we tackle cheaters and the continued quality we expect from Apex. Its important to voice these opinions and follow it all logically. I hope the best for Apex, but also I know when to step away. Because I am also just one person. Let me know your thoughts and how you feel. Here is link on respawn official statement for tap strafing nerf reverted: x.com/Respawn/status/1877088809206297020

[@innovance3788]

@@anonapache Wasn't how it read, though most didn't understand it. It was how it was executed/felt in addition to their previous attempts to limit or remove tap-strafing, plus unclear or no communication about the change at all...

[@Dazs]

Yeah that was wild. Fact it was under bugs is confusing. This was a pretty impactful change to the game. It needed its own section on how fundamentally players move or play.

[@giverofillness]

Is it possible for Respawn to make tap strafing achievable on controller? Like a timed button combo to make it a skill expression, without making it too easy? If so, it would be a big incentive for the console/ controller community to invest time into the game thus boosting numbers over all. I assume they can’t work out the kinks otherwise they would’ve done this a long time ago…

[@jakobsmith3266]

Now honestly we need it for roller. As a casual player you literally can’t play apex casually on controller anymore. They bumped aa from .4-.3 and soon it’ll be .2 with all the streamers still complaining. At this point the game is dying already they should give the majority of their player base movement again lol. It’s like what 60-70% of apex player base is on controller it just doesn’t make sense. But y’all got a nerf and complained and got it reverted instantly it’s kinda insane how whiny the mnk player base is. Y’all don’t suffer and challenges based on your input and have consistently deal with gameplay changes. I would’ve hoped this nerf would have stayed for a while cause the sheer amount of people using macros and scripts that I’ve seen lately is absurd. It’s no longer on controller and every game I see at least 9 maybe 10 mnk players that can neo strafe mid fight

[@XenomorphTerror]

​@@jakobsmith3266I agree with this. If you're begging for tap-strafe to be in the game; you're openly admitting that you spam scripts and macros. The whole reason M&K players complain about AA and beg for tap-strafe is because they have to have an unfair advantage, or they will not play the game. You all call a controller a "roller", because you're braindead. Stop. Use real words. Controller has never in a million years been better than M&K. People favor the controller on PC because you could cheat and get AA on controller whilst on PC, that's an advantage, which is why people do that. Not only this, but most scripts and mods are made for controllers. Which is why people use them. If people aren't cheating with scripts on a controller, they us a program on PC, and use macros to neo-strafe. The game is literally unplayable, because the community is braindead, and has to beg for unfair changes, so that real progress will never be made. It's always going to have these cry baby PC players. It's always going to have people begging for AA nerfs, and begging for anything that would grief more than half the playerbase, just so they can have an unfair advantage. I knew I was done with this game for sure, and it's community. You're all the worst gamers of all time.

[@SentoukiEX]

Hopefully they can remove the automatic scripts but keep the skill-based strafes. I think that's the goal and they just whiffed.

[@dankosel9427]

I agree it was clearly a attempt to cut some of the scripts for xim and stuff like that just didn't work

[@YOSHI_MEAT_SOUP]

Another case of a select few (90% of octane players) ruining the game for everyone else.

[@Lunar_Entropy]

I play mnk, but I've always felt there shouldn't be movement tech exclusive to input type. If they can't pull it off with controller, I shouldn't be able to do it.

[@zev2111]

​@@YOSHI_MEAT_SOUPI haven't seen a single aggressive octane player since s20, you just have to be trolling. there is no tapstrafers in your bot lobby anyway

[@jheeazy]

@@Lunar_Entropy while i think that your logic is sound, we’re playing titanfall 3, the game has been built around this fact and titanfall has ALWAYS been different between inputs, always including lurching.

[@RedAntihacks]

As long as the inputs are all done manually, i have no issue with movement tech.

[@YOSHI_MEAT_SOUP]

Too bad 99% of octane players can't do it legit. Anytime I see a neo strafing octane, I just assume they're cheating.

[@jheeazy]

@@YOSHI_MEAT_SOUPthat’s simply a skill issue. practice the tech and you’ll understand it too, it ain’t that deep bro.

[@zev2111]

​@@jheeazyor he could just hit his shots lmao

[@jheeazy]

@@zev2111 where’s the fun in that when you can do flashy and impressive mechanics that are practical to use and fun to learn

[@ryanlafferty5815]

absolutely, as long as the input is manual,...if you find a way to tap strafe using a mouse wheel, steering wheel, cheese wheel or a fk dancepad... have at it.....just don't moan that you can't do it on a controller, then use configs to "keep up" with a better input that allows more possibilities

[@Haaps_]

4.4k hrs and I’m glad the normal movement is back. I rarely die to people using “automatic” movement like when cfgs were rampant. My biggest concern with apex is there’s no way to report wall hacks which feels more common in d2+ rank rather than macros.

[@ruumelan]

for me the worst part about apex is EOMM. Feels like there is barely any sbmm. Why do I always have to baby sit my teammates against way better teams that shit on us for 10-30 games then the algorithm trows a few easy/treats rounds with good teammates against visibly lower skilled players(bots) and easy wins, and repeat.. one of the main reason I dont play apex or cod. It all just feels rigged. and there is absolutely nothing to grind for. apex is just boring now..

[@taven580]

It is rigged there’s proof, just like FIFA lol but gamers are naive

[@ruumelan]

@@taven580 yeah not fun at all. you just know when you gonna lose and win

[@planti61]

@@taven580where can I find the proof im genuinely curious how the matchmaking works

[@Recuper8]

@@planti61 Just play it with your attention to the issue engaged. It's impossible to miss once you're looking for it.

[@tdestroyer4780]

It's more than just teaming you up with very bad players against sweats on purpose. I also notice the audio is perfect and crisp when the game decides to give you bot lobby. NO silent audio on those games. The game is rigged for sure, but it's not the same for everyone. You need skill on this game for sure, but the "sweats" are given an advantage by the game so they buy more DLC.

[@B.mathiane]

Without a doubt, I love Apex Legends, even though i started playing in season 23, I am not an og. But when it comes down to base mechanics, gameplay and even the competitive scene of the game, I love it all. I've know the game since season 17 and I've seen the good and bad. But I still stick with it.

[@ninetytwo9088]

Over 100 quality assurance personal for Apex Legends were laid off by EA. With no public test environments available to the player base I’m not surprised this happened.

[@can1bbl3]

The entire discourse around Apex and the direction the game is going lately has been really disheartening. No matter what, I still don't understand the support meta and the pathy nerf, and I haven't seen the start screen since rivals came out. I spent more than 2500 hours playing apex and had an amazing time, but I just don't feel that spark anymore. I hope the game finds it's footing once again though.

[@jtamm1988]

Path has 25% pick rate in pred lobbies and 15% Overall. What's the point of having Alter, Ash or Valk buffed if they not as good as Path. He doesn't deserve to have a variable tactical cooldown while everyone else has to wait 30 seconds for theirs no matter how successful it was or not

[@nvmb6451]

@@jtamm1988at least they're not fridges

[@jackoutsidedabox7618]

@@jtamm1988 path was balanced bcuz the cooldown was based on how far u went but now that it's just purely 30s, it's dumb cuz imagine u do the little super jump with path and now u gotta wait 30 whole seconds but valk can double that heigh without using all her fuel or horizon can almost triple the heigh and wait less time

[@shaquille.oatmeal2724]

Incoming yap: I wish I had that in rivals, I tried it but I just don't enjoy the overwatch style of objective capture. And when I thought apex's solo experience was bad I had no idea what'd be in store for rivals. They have to have the worst solo experience I've ever had where you CANNOT carry in any aspect of the game so if you have bad randoms, you will lose. Period. Combine that with the sluggish movement for most characters and the same two objectives which always boil down to capture the zone, I just can't enjoy it. This will preobably be the game that I stay on for forever until it inevitably dies and then I'll be done with gaming apart from the odd hour or two on different games here and there. Here's to hoping they turn it around for now.

[@jessossenkopp]

@@jtamm1988 Hard disagree. The tac was variable and that made sense considering the difficulty of the ability versus other abilities. You have to actually learn the grapple mechanics. It’s both more difficult than other tacs and way more rewarding. So making it variable is actually THE MOST FAIR THING they have done. When you deviate from 1:1 outcomes (which is exactly what variable grapple was) you start to play favorites. They are intentionally trying to make people play other characters right now. However- itself worth noting that Apex numbers are LITERALLY the lowest ever. So them doubling down on eliminating fair and FUN mechanics is just a super strange decision. Its cool though right? Im sure players numbers are helped more than hurt. Surely next month will show Apex numbers are increasing. Right? Right guys?

[@fazeobama1790]

I feel like they need to move movement alone, bring back fun movement like punch boosting and stick with the casual playerbase. Pro scene will always remaing as long as the game is popular

[@andrew08857]

To me this makes solo players running away more viable which I personally disagree with, tap strafe should never be in the game

[@plufy8463]

@@andrew08857 i mean people invented tapstrafe to combat controller aim in the first place aint no tap strafe before the fire nation are invading also u cannot removes something that was not from third party becauce it is raw input

[@andrew08857]

@@plufy8463 I agree but playing on 80 pong against a two strafer is wild and even PC if you have low DPI your not catching that shot Soo easily

[@steveafukensaurus9286]

​@@andrew08857the problem is your 80 ping. Not the people strafing

[@andrew08857]

@steveafukensaurus9286 even if I had good ping which varies from season to season at apex which is just bad in itself,tap strafing has always been too strong in apex anyone playing linear is at a disadvantage to that absolute cheese whether your on PC or not, I play on ps and a 1660 and it still looks the same, it looks unnatural

[@corvax8644]

Imagine if they brought back all removed movement tech

[@Quellgonestep]

right i still punch ground when sliding downhill it work but not the same 🤧

[@ttvhero1890]

The red octane jump pad tech 😂

[@isiahaguilar]

As a casual player who quit, apex to me has a good shooter game with very good movement, as a pc player, i personally think that the devs are pandering way too much to console players w/c made me and my friends quit because we felt like the devs is treating PC-players as an after thought. We PC only ever get movement nerf even tho me and my friends can only do wall bounces and non of those fancy tap strafing tech etc etc we still enjoyed the game but being gunned down by controller players and cheaters or 3 stack preds isnt fun, sometimes we dont even know if we got shot down by controller players or cheater because its that crazy good when theyre even slightly above average on controller.

[@FixationwithCarnage]

im so happy. like you said, the movement is what makes apex stand out. its the biggest reason why i choose it over cod and the others and love the game so much.

[@raiden4429]

I dont consider myself a hard core player when it comes to movement tech, I can do the basic stuff, superglides every now and then wall jumps and tap strafes but I also play a bit more to be considered casual. I still think that having these players who can do crazy things with movement even when it happens to me is a good thing, besides this is awesome to look at when consuming Apex content.

[@raiden4429]

I do also feel like some of the people who voiced their concern yesterday about the change were a bit to violent/uncosiderate and that cant ever be a good thing when we want good stuff to come to the game we like.

[@Valkyrae123]

Yeah but when people who have extremely good aim on controller start shredding its a aim assist problem that needs to be nerfed, gtfo lol movement like that shouldn’t be in the game

[@jasonkim9654]

@@Valkyrae123 it is an aim assist problem bruh

[@phillipparrish3142]

i was in an LTM and an octane did a 180 and i was like what?? how? Didn't they nerf tap strafe?

[@azn399]

I tried to do a 180 superglide from the gap in the middle but it didn’t work no wonder.

[@joshuajohnson250]

I’m a console player so the tap strafing doesn’t effect me at all but at the end of the day if they were going to remove this stuff from the game they should’ve done it as soon as people figured out how to do it. I genuinely don’t understand why we are on year 5 a month away from year 6 and the devs are concerned about casual players the people who are pumping money into their pockets are the ones who play the game all the time, and even if that wasn’t the case I doubt apex is getting many new players because of how large the game has already been, most people have already atleast tried playing apex and even if your a “casual” player if you have played for a year or longer and have done nothing to improve your gameplay then the reason you can’t compete is entirely on you, a friend of mine started in season 12 and was diamond his 2nd season because he wanted to learn the game and improve and took the time to learn how to do all of the techs available on console (btw a basic tap strafe is not hard at all literally bind your foward movement to your scroll wheel then flick the scroll wheel while flicking your wrist it’s 2 steps after you bind it, and it only took me 1 week to be able to superglide probably in the range for less than a hour day after that it just takes practice to be more consistent) so for everyone saying they can’t compete why don’t you do what all the good players did and actually practice

[@evgeshabrooks666]

Thank you for info man! ❤ Glad to hear that tap strafe ia back

[@Yrn_timarion]

I don’t want to hear that we don’t want movement being to broken like let us have our movement techs man

[@onikrux]

cheating aside, it would be really nice if Apex updated their training sessions and and several stages and levels to progress through. movement maps and gunplay maps that teach you and test you. you can boast ur records of speeds or high scores, JUST LIKE THE TITANFALL GAUNTLET. and it would help newer players lock into more complex mechanics like Tap Strafing. Additionally, I think we are SO OVERDUE for controller settings IN GAME that would let you toggle tap strafes (very similar to the mapping that Steamcfg used to allow, but it would just be On/Off and not customizable which created the issues with controller tap strafe binds to begin with). This would cement this "bug" as a real function and offer players a totally new set of things to grind and compete for.

[@ttvhero1890]

Actually fire take 🔥 plz that would be so much fun

[@flirtyxo]

them removing controller tap strafing is what made me uninstall the game. the movement aspect is what drew me in the most because of the skill gap that it had, granted it was easier on controller than mnk but it still took some skill and knowledge of when to use it and what not. there are work arounds but you lose AA, which is something i dont think i want to do ngl. if they made it an ingame thing it would be cool and maybe i would come back. the aim scripters ruined the game for some controller players like myself.

[@emragna6038]

I dont believe that movement is the main reason why players play apex because there are more controllers before. a lot of players quit because of cheaters last year 2024 and when aim assist got a bit of nerfed, some controller players quit as well

[@knowpai9432]

Im an mnk player but i think taking tapstrafe from controller players is also not right tapstrafe is core movement of the game

[@BlackShinobi.]

I’m an mnk player and also agree they should give controller players a tapstrafe to please everyone. Besides, all of us on mnk don’t care about being better we just want to have fun.

[@synchros7791]

Apex to do list: More maps, characters, guns, progression rewards (i.e. skins, glows, tracers, skydive trails or more badges)

[@FadedLightXx]

They gonna revert for controller players and fix it for them so we can too????? Don't lie to me also. Clearly they can do it.

[@Knusperzwerg]

Sadly its not that easy...allowing configs in base game like they had before will make people do all those hard techs with cheating and they cant ban them cause if configs are allowed than thats allowed

[@FadedLightXx]

@Knusperzwerg oh but keyboard can be the teachers pet why the shit needs removed

[@FadedLightXx]

@Knusperzwerg clearly they can if they can do that shit

[@FadedLightXx]

@@Knusperzwerg I die to sm mf with 2 kills tap strafing their ass off at end game way to much. When I just killed the entire lobby. It griefs me over and over. Why I haven't been playing as much since. And you bet your ass anytime from now on if I see a tap strafe I'm reporting them for cheating if we're gonna be handed that label you all are too! Why the game is dying is no one can be up front about it and actually honest it's so fucking cringe

[@FadedLightXx]

@@Knusperzwerg if they are going to hand the cheater label to controller players. I am going to report a keyboard player every time I see them do it from now on. Gonna label us and make my game not fun and than continue to try to hurt the majority of players being controller players.. why the game is dying. They need to actually implement it for both inputs. They are stupid if they don't. Id have rather watched the pros bitch and complain they leave and we start over because im tired of the buddy system.

[@blackwidow8271]

Apex is that one kid who has no friends so he breaks his own back and becomes so desperate to keep you around they will do anything

[@yuxel2547]

i just feel like they are intentionally doing obvious mistakes by changing the core mechanics and keep reverting them to make themselves look like they are actually listening the community. It is very cheap move from them. Besides that I actually believe its not about EA anymore. If you seen the HisWattsons latest video, he actually says the devs can't do anything because of the upper managament but I think this is not the case and respawn not transparent with the community anymore. I really don't think it is not that much to ask for as players, just be more transparent.

[@3ildcard]

I mean, what are the devs in question expected to say? "Yeah bro we give no F"? Respawn got rid of the CORE devs that created this beloved game and now there are morons who pretend they're on the "gamers" side while not even playing their game. Im not buying that and glad to see others who aren't either.

[@tdestroyer4780]

I think respawn are just lying greedy snakes along with EA and the workplace culture is just toxic. There's likely no family type environment where everyone is passionate about Apex and working together to make the game great.

[@dale21st]

Only gripe I have with tap strafe is when you can unli chain it like neo tap strafe. As a casual 9x out of 10 I would lose that fight. I think that’s where the nerf should’ve been done, the chaining aspect. Timing of this nerf is impeccable🤦🏼‍♂️. Are they trying to kill the game fr. 😢

[@BigMoneyJayTV]

but to do neo strafes it takes a lot of practice and you as a "casual" should honestly lose to that player to be fair.

[@KillerRomantic]

2:17 I disagree. It’s not amazing. It’s an fps. There’s no reason for different platforms to have advantages over others. I get cross platform wasn’t a day one thing, but you shouldn’t make movement be the main focus in an fps game.

[@ttvhero1890]

That’s what sets it apart, against other fps

[@KillerRomantic]

@ not even. They literally made a game with better movement before they released this game. The strategy, gunplay and the legends are what sets it apart. They’ve spent the past two years trying to be the BR version of overwatch and it’s killed the game.

[@ChanayaQueenf1]

why is i timer at mixtape can someone tell me ?

[@DeadByPetty]

I can care less about the movement tech, the need to fix the lobby voice chat. Since the season started there isn't any voice chat in the lobby but as soon as we load into a match boom it works.

[@tawfikabbas5888]

Alright, so for me it's gotten to a point (in my 7k+ hours on this game) that there really isn't a point to playing this game besides maybe the mechanical components to movement tech, which I will give the game. However, Respawn just released this patch that entrenches an already unenjoyable meta, still doesn't address the problems with matchmaking as well as the quality of the servers in a game that is just as old as Fortnite, which is a much healthier game at the moment by all comparisons. I love this game, I really do, but it's just frustrating to see that there are decisions that don't even seem thought through with the community in mind, let alone new players.

[@jtamm1988]

So you mention we need more content. The devs gave rift relics as new content and forced it into pubs and players complain they want to play the old content/regular pubs. So why are we asking for new content if we are just going to play the old content?

[@girlweird833]

See on one hand I agree but on the other hand, the rift relics can be annoying. Mainly Nessie.

[@jtamm1988]

@@girlweird833I'm honestly glad the devs forced us to play Rift Relics for a whole season because it shows how bad we are at communicating what we actually want with our words and our actions especially with content creators and pros. Hopefully now players will at least stop with this "lack of content" argument cause the devs have been giving us new LTMs all of 2024 but it's never been enough for players.

[@3ildcard]

Ruining a classic mode for too long is not "content". People always shouted about regular pubs and having "ltms" separately.

[@yahootube90]

@@3ildcard Exactly, they should be separated. Unfortunately, none of their LTMs are very good, and don't really add much "content", so they have to override pubs just to force people to queue for them. If they released something actually unique or interesting, people wouldn't have to be forced to join.

[@jtamm1988]

@@yahootube90 Again it's never good enough for you players. Why dont you apply as a game mode designer at Respawn and show us what good LTMs look like since you know what good LTMs are

[@specgru_19064]

If your team doesn't stay close to you, if your team doesn't cover each other then all these tactics are useless.

[@tdestroyer4780]

Yet they didn't revert the per optic settings so you can have 4-3 linear with 1.2x speed.

[@Yrn_timarion]

I don’t even play this game no more like I used to back then I couldn’t resist not having apex on my screen but things changed so so much

[@ethanvalentine4299]

how did they not realize the effects of the nerf... sounds like they are just responding to backlash to me. this isnt the first time they have done it either.. idk i feel like a lot of people play on controller now soo respawn just needs to add a way to make it consistent between the two inputs like it cant be that difficult to make it something controllers can achieve too.. like you said movement is what makes apex different and so why not embrace that a bit more.

[@Snerky]

Can we also talk about getting a penalty after the game kicks you out? So many times getting kicked out of ranked matches and can’t even log back into the match and have to wait for my teammates in lobby. Should be no reason when the game kicks me out and I get a penalty and lose hella rp so close too master and bleh it’s annoying

[@void2339]

Did they fix bleedthroughs?

[@ttvhero1890]

Movement just like positioning and aim are key parts of what makes a good player some just focus on certain aspects. Learning how to implement movement into my gameplay is what made apex so much fun for me. They have to find a way to combat cheaters other than changing the actual game 💀

[@lockdowndb4863]

As far as my understanding goes majority if cheaters aren't using chronus or zen and that's mainly for console anyway. They are using macros or download able cheats that are subscription based

[@envy405]

Cobalt katar slide animation bug???

[@musch474]

I like the movement in this game, but I wish It was more easy for Consol players and controller players that don’t wanna sacrifice their aim to move good.

[@awakeant8079]

Thank you fro putting this debate here, I think it is really more constructive the way you present it than others like Faide, Lemonhead, and all the other player movements rotting on the devs ('which have nothing to do with the changes by the way, they just follow orders of their top management, so don't shoot the messanger and blame the real responsible). I'm a 51yo gamer, using very occasionnally movements and really not in combat. I have to focus on my aim more than trying to make movements all around as my brain doesn't allow me anymore to do so many things at the same time. :) I am playing every day coming back from work as I enjoy FPS and PVP games. My personal opinion is that they are trying to compensate the weakness of their anti cheat, by finding workarounds to penalize config, macros, and zen users. Which, if you look at the sales of Zen by instance, is massive (more than 1M devices sold on Amazon !!!) and doesn't take into account macros and cfg users, so, personnally, I just don't care if they nerf tap strafe. More than that, if you extrapolate a bit, it probably impacts negatively , only, 1% of the legit player base. Even if it is 10%, that is still fine for me. Additionnally, MNK users (I am) have normally easier aim than console or controller players, so decreasing a bit the movement techs is not really unfair in my opinion. What I personnally would like them see doing is working on a more faire OEMM or SBMM. I've 0,7KD and each game I'm ruined by masters or even preds and other 4K damage or 20 kills badges players...I occasionnally can make high damage games (like 2K, but very rarely) but most of the time, if my teammates decide to drop hot, I will die 75% of the time as from the start. This is really what frustrates me way more than a nerf on the tap strafe....

[@3ildcard]

Can we stop defending Respawn devs finally? You thing "the management", the 50 year olds money hungry folks, give a single flying F's about "tap-strafing in one of their games"?

[@awakeant8079]

@ of course it is. As I explained earlier the % of people impacted by nerf of the tap strafe is significantly low so this issue is more addressed to casual players which are the main player base. Unfortunately people following blindly content creators are too stupid to think by themselves as they want to identify themselves to these creators. I am in the IT industry since 25 years and all is driven by profit so if you need to make money you also need to be careful with the ones bringing you the revenue. In the case of Apex and EA it is the casual players (or low level players if you feel better to call them like that). You seem to not have any clue on how to manage a company and make profits though…

[@3ildcard]

@@awakeant8079 You're clueless, i got it.

[@xbiker321]

Keep the movement in, it gives players a high skill level to reach. Reminds me of all the wild tech moves in Rocket League.. if they removed it from RL that game, and the pro scene, would die.

[@samskltn4678]

This season I got my first 4k on wraith but because of the game mode on normal BR It didn't count. If It was an entirely different button that I got to chose to play this mode then I would've accepted it but the new mode is integrated into the normal BR! Apex needs FIXES not collection events

[@justjoddat]

The whole point of them nerfing it was to stop the config kids who still do it and are just constantly neo strafing. I don't give a shit if I can tap strafe if it stops them, because they'll tap strafe circles around me, while having aim assist.

[@Everything-km1kv]

i think that they should revert the no tapstrafe on console only for steam layout but still ban people for messing with game files i dont condone any configs but only using steam to the exact same movement as mnk players do, i have over 2000 hours in this game and was a multi masters player but since they took tapstrafe i couldnt stay in my comp team and i tried mnk to tapstrafe but i still cant to this day... i miss being able to use the same movement as mnk. and before anyone says yeah but aim assist i used ALCs and practiced no aim assist anyways

[@Not____Applicable]

Personally, I’m on console and it didn’t really affect me, but I still hopped on twitter to voice my opinion. I’m a “casual” who wants to get a good gaming pc to experience this game on mnk so it was very upsetting when I heard about this change. This is literally one of the only games out there where it makes sense to get a pc to play it as it’s so different from controller on pc/console. I’m relieved they reverted it but they need to stop doing that like as if the community will eventually want that. They tried this back a couple seasons ago where they had pro players test it out and it was hated by both casuals and pros back then. I honestly don’t care about anything else in the game as long as movement is still part of the core.

[@ryanvanwinkle5702]

Console can't strafe anyway lmfao

[@justinrobinson5327]

Didn't they remove tap-strafe completely and got backlash then gave it back

[@lShutemDown]

Ranked just needs to stop putting 3 stacked teams against duo or full solo squads and make them only able to find a game vs other 3 stacks can’t remember what game I used to play but this worked really well in it

[@acetriumphs7801]

Destiny 2 does fireteam based matchmaking if you load solo you'll match solos and sometimes duos if you duo you match duos and trio-trio

[@evgeshabrooks666]

They need to fix SBMM to get casual players to play with players of their skill level.

[@y_chefy9821]

Love you bro❤ to add to your.point the just need to make none version like fortnite has none build mode so simple

[@kelvinso8640]

If EA want more player join Apex. Respawn can adjust the parameter make the movement skill more easily, that the normal player can enjoy the game, and more player will play Apex rather that nerf the movement.

[@justobserving4862]

4:40 "that happened to be skilled" therein lies the problem, what of us that aren't skilled. you could have easily left is as just "players" but that't it skilled players only think of skilled players. maybe i'm just being a sore loser and reading too much in this

[@Dazs]

Why I mentioned across the board better balancing needs to happen. Same for solo queue. Why does solo queue run into three stacks? Why are run into preds in pubs? So many odd instances of match making.

[@pixelschubser2556]

They tried to remove or nerf tap strafing again? Didn't notice, cause i don't play this game anymore, since they have still not done anything about the matchmaker issuses and don't care about their community. And not only that, they just straight up shit in our faces with each update or twitter post, spreading lies about "what big things they have done", while actually doing nothing. Untill they finally fix the matchmaker - and the performance instabilities that come with every update... -, i will continue playing old single player games and enjoy my life while doing so.

[@mariankowalski9797]

BRO I thought that I was tripping when I tried apex today and I could tap strafe like usual XDXDXD

[@peterpeter5666]

I'm tired of people doing cartwheels and jumping all over the place like they're having a seizure yet having perfect aim and not missing a single shot. Gotta fix cheating servers and match making. The rest will fall into place.

[@Neekoetv]

Maybe respawn was doing it for the people😅 or maybe people said sum n they heard enough 😂😂 it's ea/respawn we will nvr know. As far as which side I would side on it really depends on what it is that they are voicing, cheating and everything else the like should b first priority regardless of the game, as far as the movement part goes idk how to feel about it, being as how I'm console, however I do think that if u play with no AA then you should have the availability to do the movement, be it console or PC (similar to what Extesyy does with gyro, tho it should be for everyone else too, idk how else it would work though), though i know its going to be difficult to keep playing from trying to use both AA and movement😅

[@YOSHI_MEAT_SOUP]

If it's automated, it's cheating. Plain and simple, whether it be movement tech or gunplay. Movement script octanes are cheaters just the same as zen and aimbotters. Each and every one of them should be permanently banned. If a device or a code does something for you other than what you can do with your own skill in the game, thats cheating and you should be banned. If a controller player runs scripts to be able to tap strafe or an mnk player exploits the game to get aim assist, that should also be banned. ANYTHING a player does that is not a direct result of their raw input on their chosen input device should be a bannable offense. If you have a device or set of coding that gives you an advantage over an opponent who does not have a device or scripts, you are cheating and you should be permanently banned. It's so simple.

[@TheTarnishedTraveller]

Cheaters are out in force again and preds in gold and silver lobbies should not be a thing. Even Hal is farming poor gold players.

[@blackhawkrex4369]

its just not fare that mnk can have ground breaking movement but roller has nothing just not fare. This game caters to mnk too much IMO

[@soultaker0469]

I mean controller players cant tap strafe unless using configs which is cheating so personally either take it out the game or make it so everyone can do a standard tapstrafe mechanic and if you are very skilled the standard mechanic can become better with skill

[@andrehovdenes3808]

As we are entering a point where console and pc will come together, and i feel console players are loosing, (might be why they tried this) dont know what u guys feel, but console in pc lobbies is kinda dumb atm. They to get the aim assist nerf, limited to 120hz and cant do movment like pc. What do u guys think?

[@yahootube90]

Could be right. This could be all about the population dropping and having to force everyone into the same queue.

[@eastsidechump92]

The simple solution is to just make these movement techs easily accessible to every input/platform. Everyone should be able to tap-strafe, superglide, wall bounce, and mantle jump with default controls/bindings. New players should be able to pick up the game, see players do movement tech, and be able to easily do it themselves. I say this as an MnK player with 7k+ hrs since release week. I'd LOVE it if every player was able to bounce around the map like us vets.

[@ryanchan1389]

standardizing the movement techs is the only way to go. That will likely involve changes to how current movement tech is felt but that's the fair price to pay.

[@Frootyloops629]

Yes and while you're at it give m&k small Aimassist

[@supcuzz14234]

so based on what you re saying we should also put aim assist on mouse n keyboard players? ( you re definetely not an mnk player and you havent even reached platinum yet)

[@ZerXs7]

Controller players can do super glides, wall bounces and mantle jumps. It's more than possible to do crazy movement on controller as well, but you need the time to learn and perfect it, just like mnk players do. But I do actually think that controller players should be able to do tap strafes and so on, because the movement is what makes apex apex. It's just that how it currently is, giving controller players movement mixed with aim assist would make the controller meta even worse. So with aim assist, I do believe it should stay how it currently is, as really good movement also isn't that op nor competitively viable + It needs thousands of hours of practise to be able to do things like lurches in fights.

[@eastsidechump92]

@@supcuzz14234 idk why you're talking about aim assist here. Also you don't know me kid. My in-game name is Mastiffbique if you want to look up my stats. Guarantee I'd destroy you in a 1v1. I haven't touched a controller since high school.

[@nowala4166]

I switched over from console to pc just because I was tired of seeing other people do cool movements techs and I couldn’t lol I was straight up jealous and so in love with the movement it became the only reason i played it smh I never cared for the wins or the kills ahaha I mean only when it mattered like after I did some crazy moves ofc 😂 lol I still love this game but if they were to remove all of the movement i would go back to r5 if it’s still running I haven’t touched it in a while

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

Lame! They need to remove tap strafing and it's ilk from the game entirely. And no, I really don't care how much time you spent to learn it. Step one: disable movement binding to mouse wheel.

[@evgeshabrooks666]

Just go play warzone bot

[@originalname4854]

Roller droid?

[@jasonhurdlow6607]

@originalname4854 Nope. MnK.

[@erik.isomer]

Yeah the relics in pubs is kinda too much right now. Ranked is way more relaxing in comparison

[@justinsavoie4872]

Honestly I love apex and still the only game I really play and with the match making it doesn't.matter when it comes to seasoned players just protect the new ones and not put them into lobbies that are insane I've been playing since season 4 or so and I'm constantly in pred pub lobbies and don't mind it people are too concerned with winning in apex and its not going to happen all the time

[@dominickeen6091]

I switch to mnk three months ago almost wasted my money

[@ryanvanwinkle5702]

Everyone should be able to do movement

[@starmanx25]

Second time they did this. They're trying to get more people to post about Apex because it's dying.

[@AshAirheart1995]

Thank God cause I was just learning it lol

[@Clownskillz]

I been playing marvel rivals, i went back to apex last night after work and it was the most fun I've had on that game in a year, i guess back to marvel rivals i go. Such a "small percent" of players using movment tech, but I'm one of the ones they constantly choose to feed to them.

[@khalilhasham2352]

Do you have a good movement guide? I probably need to learn some. I hate having to do that cause I just like to chill sometimes but I also feel like I have to learn to keep up

[@planti61]

Id say try to learn something called a “ras” strafe and probably a faide slide, both of which you can find under 5 minute tutorials on youtube, and just try to implement them into your gameplay, im working on faide slide but the ras strafe has won me SO MANY gunfights at close range

[@adrianrenard1262]

You know what could change the casual experience? MATCHMAKING put roller bots with roller bots, divide skill levels and have them battle in a similar ground, if the sweaty wraith wants to be sweaty let her sweat against other sweats, casual audiences always end up ruining the game when you cater towards them, devoted players will keep it up float even after the game dies how can they not get this

[@Frootyloops629]

I still quit after this, they hate M&K players

[@OwaisLone]

That should be impossible if the only way to do it is to bind jump to a mousewheel or a turbo button.

[@R3APER-350xx]

it nerfed all lurches, causing just jumping sideways to feel off, superglides felt mushy it was honestly a mess, if they wanna combat configs make it to where theres a time limit on rapid inputs rather than a delay so you dont have people out here just neostrafing around an entire fight / match

[@AlexbongoKurban]

So te game is just based on the crybabies of the pros and what they need or “feel”. Bangalore was a no name character till it started affecting the console pro as the smoke affected their aimbot. Then they removed the digi thread because of the one trick pony she can do and another nerf with the smoke itself… Then they start crying about the regulars that complain about the aim assist (aimbot for me as this thing is like an aimbot) so they first nerf it and then bring it back… I am so happy that I left Apex and now I am just enjoying games that I have in my backlog, competitive online is dead for me, good luck “having fun”

[@BigPro1123]

As a console player I never had a problem with smoke turning off AA as I can still hit my shots. It’s the Cronus and Ximmers who complain which there are A LOT of and is very obvious when someone is using it

[@ryandilley9012]

Movement is not what gets me to play apex 😂 I actually hate that tap strafing is a part of the game. They should’ve kept it removed.

[@chronosxiii4702]

hopefully they can remove tap strafing all together

[@mckwin23]

Too late apex, now you are trying to revert some changes to somehow bring players back? No thanks, you ain't fooling me twice

[@Yrn_timarion]

So they un nerfed movement thank goodness

[@sa6oy]

Fairness is always key, yet I want all the exploits that I've spent so much time mastering in game (excuse me, it's not exploits.... it's 'movement techs') and no filthy casual should be able to get on my level unless they grind 500 hours like me Also Apex should do something to keep the same filthy casuals from getting frustrated and leaving the game forever, just so I have someone bad to shit on, as it's not so easy to get 20-bombs when we all sweats remaining.

[@tf2juice]

lmao I thought I became dogshit at the game suddenly, glad it's not the case.

[@pixelschubser2556]

2:34 Cheating is not the mature problem of apex. Its the matchmaker. *Hands down* the biggest problem they have. Fix it and everyone will be *way* happier again. Fix the performance instability issues and server problems - like respawn did on the start of the season - and more people with lower end pc's are returning. Now make the cosmetics have resonable prices and the fanbase comes back again. *Making you more money EA!*

[@mavrichardson9764]

theres so few people doing movement like neo strafing. yes it bad that some are using configs but the ones doing it ligit like myself it takes hours of learning and skill. the only issue are the ones that are configing just sort that out no issue.

[@exajoules]

taking something away and giving it back to look like they did something is truly only apex idiots would fall for it...quit the game holy

[@ChosynOne316]

Nobody cries more than mnk players.

[@ethanfruitt5019]

All of you guys who complain about movement skilled players who play mnk… go play another game. Simple.

[@eebbaa5560]

this video made me curious and according to steam, the last time i played apex legends was on march 21st, 2024. wow

[@umadyet-4064]

lol it almost wasn’t like this shittt happened once before and people were mad about it the last time

[@wyettmunro470]

Alot of controller players are crying saying its broken and its unfair but movement is the only way to compete at close range with aa i can't do the movement just not good enough but it's still needed

[@tf2juice]

if they nerf movement they should remove aim assist

[@barakbr71]

Good. But, Im still fuming about pathy grapple nerf.

[@Dazs]

I am still surprised by that change also. I am okay with his zipline zen, sure...I guess. But the grapple seems unfair. He is gonna fall off meta pretty hard now.

[@fazeobama1790]

He was in a good spot too

[@evgeshabrooks666]

I don't play pathfinder, but I understand how frustrating it is. Hopefully it will be brought back to normal

[@yahootube90]

I understand nerfing ziplines, or even removing the perk to get his tac back on knock. But decimating his core ability does not seem like the right approach.

[@planti61]

Funniest part is I believe they did this exact nerf years ago looks like they didn’t learn their lesson

[@davidochoa2888]

Casual because you can get casual players but if it caters to hardcore players there’s not going to be new players all the “ new players” you see are all smurfs lol

[@nowala4166]

Thank you for this vid 😂

[@hkteru.2404]

They bring this back bc they know the mnk player will leave nvm as a s1 player I go to mavel is lot more fun sad for apex always play around this things

[@AbroadinChina]

truck macro octanes. they don't have sweaty movement, they have macros

[@MikeGrau0hr]

damn - i thought movement macros dont work anymore since one or two years?

[@AbroadinChina]

@@MikeGrau0hr still alive and well. or maybe all octanes are movement gods idk

[@MikeGrau0hr]

@@AbroadinChina right - you dont know. but lets prejudice and say they use macros instead of trying to learn circle strafing ourselves

[@AbroadinChina]

@MikeGrau0hr hahaha yeah right...circle strafing. Let me know after you see one in a match

[@UB00F]

Too late sold my account and PC, time for me to grow up and pay taxes thanks EA for reverting the brainwashing you did to us 3 years ago😊👍

[@Zkharei]

Give tap strafing to console, it feels like console apex is a joke and it’s so tiring only fun on console is ranked

[@lastword9047]

The devs are probably using cronus zin