Apollo 13 Accident - Flight Director Loop Part 2

[@10-3leader]

As magnificent as Gene Kranz was, and taking absolutely nothing away from him, it was always disappointing that Glynn Lunney never got his due in the vast majority of documentaries, shows, and the like concerning Apollo 13. This loop is a great find.

[@JimLovell-np4pv]

agreed

[@saltyoddball550]

One of the finest displays of leadership and professionalism under pressure. Rest peacefully, Glynn Lunney.

[@mikeestwick3350]

Mr. Lunney, Rest In Peace. Thank you for your service and for this example of leadership in the midst of dire circumstances.

[@gerica22]

As an engineer, it is particularly fulfilling to hear how the team handled this crisis. The calmness (with of course underlying stress), and the pure, raw competence of the team really comes through. I followed every minute of this flight when I was a 9 year old, and this really fills in the blanks. Imagine what we could accomplish today with teams like this.

[@websitesthatneedanem]

gerica22 Ditto!!

[@Zoomer30]

With a team like this, Columbia would have been a success. The shuttle would most likely had been lost, but they could have pulled off a rescue mission.

[@denniss9620]

It wasnt the flight team or engineers that failed on Columbia... It was NASA management

[@ericbryant4305]

Hate to ever put NASA down because it was filled with excellence, but it was a governmental program with eventual governmental hazards and that's management. You are right .

[@ericbryant4305]

Great comment gerica! I have asked myself lots of times, how would our best and brightest respond today to similar catastrophes? Granted the technology is advanced, but what of their resilience. How would draft age young people respond to taking the cliffs at Normandy Pointe du Hoc if we didn't have laser guided technology? Excluding our enlisted men and women of course. Anyone have any of those thoughts?

[@timothysandvik6865]

One of the most magnificent displays of personal leadership you could ever hear = Glynn Lunney

[@wierdalien1]

Matt Capitano did the crew die? Did he keep the FCs in order and work the problem? This is a staggering piece of management and problem solving by all of the members mission control. But it only works if the top dog in the room, lunney, is at all competent

[@stevefriedl3983]

Dunno about everybody else, but I'm *totally* convinced by a random drive-by bozo, who nobody's ever heard of, making a wild unsubstantiated claim that appears contrary to the evidence in front of us. Sold!

[@cottagechskitty]

Hello troll!

[@sinclairjg]

Astounding - the science, the technical prowess - the singular attention to sequence and consideration of every detail and how it affects every other detail. The leadership it took (Lovell - "Let's settle down." CapCom - "In an orderly fashion, please"). Awe-inspiring and nothing less.

[@ericbryant4305]

Great work on putting this together for us all. You should have 2 million views. Here's a great example of how fine KZbin can be.

[@ericbryant4305]

You should have over 2 million views

[@Thunderdrive]

In my opinion, this mission was accomplished and was far more difficult than landing on the moon! This was one class act by the people in Houston....

[@zaneboado5454]

I’m here to pay my respects to an underrated leader who played an everlasting impact in the space program during the 1960s and 1970s, Flight Director Glynn Lunney. I heard about his passing when I was at Galveston Beach last night. He truly represented Mission Control’s motto of being “tough and competent.” In addition to his contributions in the Apollo era, he was the U.S. Technical Director for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project and helped in the Space Shuttle’s early days. He has inspired so many people who have shown an interest in space exploration and beyond. Thank you for your hard work and service, Dr. Lunney, Godspeed in your journey to the Kingdom. 🙏🏼🕯✝️🚀💫

[@mikeo678]

Stopping by to pay my respects to “Flight”, Glynn Lunney - in his finest hour. Godspeed sir.

[@coltranelives71]

Amen, Brother

[@LaPabst]

Truly as great as actually landing on the moon. The contingency planning, the execution and the calm... Its how you win.

[@skylord58]

this is the most amazing clip I've ever heard.. Again thanks for posting this

[@Gradius6]

49:55 Glynn: "How many amps do they take?" GNC: "Ten." Glynn: "UGH! Ten amps?!" GNC: "Rog." You can almost hear the disappointed sigh in the GNC's voice when he says "Ten."

[@spnhm34]

That thing when your shift is up and you’ve been handed a gigantic clusterf* The way Glynn Lunney coped with that and many more GCFs with unflinching calm makes him the real hero of this story

[@andrewpendlebury1103]

Yes it is bewildering and pathetic how this outstanding inspirational work receives a few thousand views....and a teenager doing tricks on a scateboard is seen by millions....sums up the world today really.

[@paladin1147]

So true

[@svenhoek]

People with low IQ tend not to enjoy this kind of information. In order to make money in today's world, one must cater to the lowest common denominator.

[@perriwenplays9215]

Equally sad is how Lunney's role was reduced to a mere bit part in the film.

[@Bubblehead640]

Wanna see me put an olive in my belly button? That's gotta be worth somethin' right?

[@robertdora7026]

Yes I couldn’t agree more @andrewpendlebury !! Sadly 😰

[@tmkreh8635]

Dad worked in Huntsville on the Saturn V, so I've been a space freak from birth. Even though I've seen the movie and documentaries, the radio chatter here is incredibly compelling. "We may well have no choice" and other statements convey how close we came to losing this mission. It's amazing the 3 astronauts could process everything that was happening and still go through procedures flawlessly. Thank you for posting.

[@redriverraider]

Thanks you for posting these audios! Most probably didn't know that the CM was failing that quickly. Very informative thanks again.

[@cottagechskitty]

I COMPLETELY get why the movie made it look like Gene did everything, but I wish Glynn would've gotten at least a mention. He did an incredible job walking into this

[@ColdWarShot]

cottagechskitty he did appear in the film, in several scenes. They showed the changeover, from White to Black, but it was brief and faded to black. They do show him taking control and communication, but aside from Gene calling him by name, they don’t go further in it.

[@zelmoziggy]

The movie took a lot of liberties with the actual events. For example, the manual burn was MUCH less dicey than the movie made it look. Haise said he made just a few small adjustments--maybe six--and it looked to him that Lovell did about the same. And it was mission control, not Lovell, that came up with the idea of using the Earth's terminator as an alignment point, using a technique that had been tried in Apollo 8. When the capcom explained the procedure to Lovell, Lovell remarked that it sounded a lot like the maneuver from Apollo 8. In one of the documentaries (I think it's called Failure is Not an Option), one of the flight controllers remarked that it was Lunney that got things on track.

[@5Andysalive]

@@zelmoziggy There's a great interview (some lat night show i think) with tom hanks on youtube where he shows how it was in the movie (shaking shouting ) and how in reality. (Presses imaginary button, looks at his watch perfectly calm, presses button again. Can't find the link but very funny. I wouldn't mind the movie. It certainly got me interested in the topic. But a shocking amount of people take it as a source for knowledga about a13 and it is just completely useless as that.

[@5Andysalive]

@@ColdWarShot It's when Kranz says something like "hold my chair warm you random dude while i discuss important things in a different room. Call me if you have any problems". The very fact that he's back in the chair after a short while makes it all the clearer. Which is an insult to Lunney which (real) Kranz himself called "One of the smartest people i ever met". It's NOT KRanz' fault obviously and he was as important as everybody else. And in his book he is absolutely adamant about giving credit where it's due. But it's still the movies biggest crime.

[@ColdWarShot]

5Andysalive I can’t say I disagree with you, especially since the most critical and crucial decisions and actions were done by the Black Team Uber his leadership.

[@lineshaftrestorations7903]

Fighting a monumental problem lead to some outstanding work by all members of the flight and mission control teams.

[@rwboa22]

Just found out that Black Team Flight Director Glynn Lunney has passed (March 19, 2021). AD ASTRA PER ASPERA (A ROUGH ROAD LEADS TO THE STARS)

[@gerica22]

This is the one of the best items on youtube. I remember following all of this as a little boy. Hearing this loop directly really sheds light on what was happening and gives a view a bit different than the movie! Just mesmerizing. I can't stop listening. Thank you for posting this. Are there more recordings of the rest of the flight? Would love to hear parts 5, etc...

[@erickaminski1472]

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT APOLLO 13. THEY HAD OXYGEN IN PLSS SUITS AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM WHEN THEY WERE SUFFOCATING FROM CO2. AND THEY DID NOT USE THE TWO MOON SUITS TO WARM THEMESELVES UP. WELL ? ephemetherson

[@ColdWarShot]

Eric Kaminski The PLSS has a 4 hour life, and the OPS had 30 minutes. The CO2 hadn’t reached a point to where it was detrimental (the film makes it seem like it was). As to using the moon suits, I don’t know, but they didn’t use them, but Lovell was the most experienced pilot in the program at the time, and I’m sure he had a reason for not using them.

[@kspencerian]

The suits were built more to COOL, not warm. They would've been bulky to wear in the LM, and it would not have helped Jack--the LM had fittings for only two people. They reasoned that wearing the suits could've caused overheating--a worse situation that may have caused greater dehydration. The LM had plenty of O2, it was CO2 scrubbing that would be a concern later. The only thing that might have useful from the PLSS was its water, if it could be added to the LM cooling supply. It wasn't needed.

[@TimeMeddler]

Using O2 from the PLSS suits wouldn't make any difference to the amount of CO2 in the cabin, that needed the scrubbers to reduce it and that's why they had to rig the CM scrubbers to work in the LM. There was, in fact, more than enough BREATHING O2 to last them well past the end of the mission, which is a different thing from the O2 that was used to power the fuel cells.

[@spvillano]

@@TimeMeddler most people don't realize that CO2 is toxic, regardless of how much O2 one has available. Today, I'm willing to bet that the scrubber canisters will be interchangeable.

[@HorneATL]

48:00 EECOM: “Flight, EECOM.” Flight: “Go.” EECOM: “Uh, O2 Tank 2 fans off.” Flight: “You’re giving up there, eh?” EECOM: “Givin’ up.” You can almost hear the odd humor in that moment. That’s a calm under pressure.

[@Vikezupa]

Nail biting. Couldn’t stop pacing the floor. Absolutely inspirational the way the team worked their way through this.

[@markholbrook3949]

When old fashioned arithmetic was the difference between life and death.. AMAZING!!!

[@rwboa22]

mark holbrook, back when your life hung on your brains and your slide rule.

[@erickaminski1472]

AND THEY COULD NOT COUNT ON SUITS AND OXYGEN TANKS ? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT APOLLO 13. THEY HAD OXYGEN IN PLSS SUITS AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM WHEN THEY WERE SUFFOCATING FROM CO2. AND THEY DID NOT USE THE TWO MOON SUITS TO WARM THEMESELVES UP. WELL ? ephemetherson

[@user-nk8be7zi1h]

qr.ae/TUNoEh @Eric

[@RennieEllen]

If they had used Common Core back then, the astronauts would have been screwed!

[@randallsmith5631]

With Slide Rules.

[@UnleashTheGreen]

11:40 Lunney about shutting down the fuel cell says "jeez it's really going down".......you can hear how the reality of what's happening hit him.

[@5Andysalive]

When you listen only to capcom loop it seems like mission control is well on top of everything. Amazing to see how they're actually just seconds ahead in their discussions. How much work went into the calm com that eventually went up. And still stay on top generally.

[@chrisslater6979]

5Andysalive Correct. I first listened to the capcom loop and enjoyed that. When I went to search for it again, I found this version. It was GREAT to hear all the Mission Contril action.

[@glendoolan6441]

If only the world had someone like Glynn Lunney managing the covid response.

[@dharrell2000]

In many ways, this mission was more important and more impactful to the manned space flight program than Apollo 11

[@dogbarbill]

I was in the 10th Grade when this happened. I wish there had been a way to hear all of this "live", although the accident happened about 10:15pm Central Time on a Monday night, so I was already in bed because it was a school night. Parents would have NEVER let me stay up for it. I wonder how much of this the cast and crew of the movie listened to as they were shooting it. Kudos to Ron Howard for making the movie. So great to hear this now, thanks for posting it.

[@michaelswami]

Listening to history as it happened. Amazing

[@erickaminski1472]

YEA ! WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT APOLLO 13. THEY HAD OXYGEN IN PLSS SUITS AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM WHEN THEY WERE SUFFOCATING FROM CO2. AND THEY DID NOT USE THE TWO MOON SUITS TO WARM THEMESELVES UP. WELL ? ephemetherson

[@EeekiE]

Eric Kaminski You’re an idiot.

[@Zoomer30]

Me: Man, I just hate it when people call the store and expect me to be able to fix their phone without seeing it. Houston: Hold our datgum beers.

[@robroberts1473]

Lol 😂

[@neonhomer]

In a way though, Houston had telemetry to tell them a lot about what was going on...

[@blj8229]

Quite the contrast in styles between Lunney and Kranz. Lunney very challenging to the controllers while Kranz seemed more calm. Of course, Glynn had a hot potato dropped on him and the critically of the issue was becoming clearer - I didn't realize Kranz's team only worked the first hour immediately after the accident. You can hear the stress between all the team leads ratcheting up the closer they get to loss of power.

[@brspo1987]

You also have to remember that Kranz and his team weren't aware of the severity of the problem until very late in their shift, as evidenced by part 1 of this audio. Only in the minutes before shift change where Sy finally realizes that they've lost 2 fuel cells and the 3rd one is dying did it hit them that this could be it for the crew. Lunney and his team took over and they had to make a lot of very difficult decisions in very short order; they had about a half hour to come up with, and execute, a plan to save the crew. If they ended up killing the CM's batteries there, it would have been all she wrote. So it's not surprising that some things got mixed up (ie leaving the spacecraft without any attitude control for a period of time there). But they did one hell of a job under very trying circumstances.

[@Mr_Ming0364]

After Kranz's team left the consoles they went to the back rooms and formed a tiger team to begin work on the long range problems.

[@markpierce5811]

+Brian Jones Kranz has always maintained that Lunney was the "smartest" of the Apollo-era flight controllers; that he was often ahead of his controllers on THEIR systems.

[@wierdalien1]

Mark Pierce youngest member of the STG youngest FD

[@sporg]

Incredibly dramatic: a real sense of being on the edge of disaster -- that chilling moment as they fear that they've shut down the CM platform, without having got the LM platform up and running. I remember reading that in all later flight simulations -- where they threw major problems like this at the teams -- they never ever managed to do a LM power-up nearly as fast as they did here. [Even more chilling is the fact that there are people out there today who'll claim that this was all being read out of scripts in a studio, as part of some elaborate scam....]

[@NihongoGuy]

You have GOT to be psychotic to listen to this and believe it is a fabrication. This is a REAL 'behind the scenes' look at the biggest drama our space program went thru, ever. The two shuttles were gone before we knew we had a problem - '13 is totally different.

[@sporg]

***** Absolutely agree: the 13 incident -- and the way that the controllers, technicians, astronauts and engineers responded -- is a monument to the US space program, and to US engineering in the sixties. Sadly, such a towering achievement seems to have faded into the background: a study reported yesterday has 25% of US respondents not knowing that the Earth goes round the Sun, and over 50% think it's less than 10,000 years old. (And I'm sure figures will be similar in other countries.) With statistics like that, it's depressing to think that the engineering brilliance of the Apollo years has been so forgotten, or even denied,,, All the more essential that clips like this one are put online (by wonderful people such as ulysses777x and lunarmodule5!).

[@RRaquello]

***** There actually is an example of astronauts reading from "scripts" and it's interesting to compare to this, when it's real. The example is the official NASA film of the joint Gemini 7 & 6 Mission "Proud Conquest", which is available here on KZbin, Because the audio was so poor (as it generally was on the Gemini flights), instead of using the original com recordings, they had Jim Lovell, Frank Borman & CapCom Elliot See recreate their radio conversations by reading the transcripts of their communications. You can tell because the dialogue sounds like they're reading. It sounds stilted and phony. These guys weren't actors, and anyone who thinks that what you hear on these Apollo 13 loops is someone reading a script is beyond help. But hoaxers generally stay away from anything that isn't pictures. A five year old could look at pictures, but when it comes to analyzing voice recordings or telemetered data, that takes brains and knowledge and WORK and these are three things hoaxers don't have or won't do. They'll merely parrot the same baloney that's been repeated for 40 years and posture like they've come up with something new out of their own heads.

[@ericbryant4305]

+Peter Reid Well said. It wasn't just dramatic movie making when the astronauts re figured the math equations to compensate and Control worked with them. These guys were brilliant.

[@ramaroodle]

Interesting to hear the difference in management style from Kranz and Lunney

[@susanyoung6632]

Lunney seems to be less patient and calming than Kranz.

[@jimwatson842]

Susan Young probably because the CM was losing power faster than expected, so it became urgent to get Aquarius up and running. In “Failure Is Not An Option” Kranz admitted his impatience with Deke Slayton, Chris Kraft and upper NASA management. These flight directors and controllers had about as much “right stuff” as the astronauts-but all of them were human.

[@echoesrecordingstudio586]

@@susanyoung6632 Yeah everything went from bad to extremely bad just as Lunney came on board so I can’t imagine the stress these guys were dealing with (a great reason why early astronauts were all test pilots) , they were loosing power rapidly in the command module and needed the LEM up ASAP for life support functions . So much of this wasn’t even simulated before so they were all figuring it all out on the fly , Lunney was dealing with a lot of confusion from all the flight controllers trying to figure out the correct procedures. Just the fact that they got them even home alive was a incredible miracle.

[@dharrell2000]

RIP Glynn Lunney -- Apollo 13 movie should of been about YOU

[@gailesmusictherapy8525]

At my cabin Lounging on my deck during the pandemic listening to this really is as good as the movie‼️

[@mindrolling24]

So April 14th next year, I’ll listen to all of these again on the 50th anniversary.

[@b58f18]

Mindrolling you here? Lol

[@mindrolling24]

Yep!

[@NORMIES_GET_OUT]

"We've got a procedure for you guys to get power from the LEM." "Cool, so you mean we're not going to die in 15 minutes? That's good news."

[@stymiedagain]

56:58 Lovell says “Houston, I want you to check my arithmetic to make sure we have a good course aligned”. Lunney responds “Guidance copy those numbers”.

[@randallsmith5631]

That's the whole ball game. It's game over if they get those Gimbal Angels wrong.

[@Docdust100]

07:16 “CAPCOM, fuel cell one reactants, circuit breaker and a switch". No disrespect to flight director Gene Krantz, but Glen Lunney was a real Badass!

[@hubbsllc]

I was trying to determine at what point does it become clear on the loop that O2 tank 2 has in fact exploded. At 24m55s in the video, 1h37m14 after the accident, FD Lunney is asking EECOM Clint Burton if the can power up tank 2 and get something out of it; Burton replies he doesn't think that is possible. Lunney asks why that is, and Burton responds that their indications are that tank 2 is "essentially ambient" - i.e., open to space. There is a lot of discussion up to this point, by Lunney et al. and by Kranz and Liebergot before White Team changed out to Black Team about the condition of tank 2 and how to get it operational again.

[@TestTubeBabySpy]

It wasnt until they conducted an investigation that they were able to confirm a O2 tank failure. they didnt even know the extent of the damage until they jettisoned the service module and were able to see it. the furthest sy went as far as determining a cause was a blown O2 line.

[@Zoomer30]

Apollo 13: The only NASA spaceflight that a controller uttered the word "datgum".

[@rwboa22]

Zoomer30, of course Lovell said "frappin'" and it was only picked-up due to the crew being on "hot mike."

[@bradwilmot5066]

I may have misheard it, but did EECOM say "let's just power this bitch down, we'll fix it later" when Lunney asked if he wanted any switches off (compressors, etc). ? (I would have loved to hear some of the comments made off-loop... :-) )

[@jjacks1965]

Brilliant ! Thank you for posting this.

[@tgchism]

This is what everyone knowing their job, their equipment inside and out as well as having faith in their teammates sounds like!

[@maurice2769nicehashpuppies]

Amazing professionalism and skill,

[@timothygibney159]

You could hear panic and rushing a little at 33:20 - 34:00

[@Gradius6]

"Flight, GNC." "Flight, EECOM." "Flight, EECOM." All while Glynn is arguing with Guidance. I don't know how he isn't pulling his hair out.

[@kidflid]

These guys make it sound like a Tuesday morning zoom call to check up on the team, big respect

[@Mjm614]

good thing the antennas weren't damaged/lost in the accident.

[@bencleary1124]

It was, that's why they have to switch wide beam instead of narrow beam.

[@scotthix2926]

The s band was

[@rwboa22]

@@bencleary1124 the S-Band high-gain antenna was damaged. On video #1, you will hear the INCO tell Gene Kranz that they switched from high-gain to wide beam. The wide beam is usually used for Earth-orbiting Apollo and Skylab missions.

[@pip1957]

I'm rereading Apollo 13 (originally "Lost Moon") by Jim Lovelll for about the 4th time and it occurred to me the mission control recordings might be available so here I am listening to them while I do housework! These are fantastic. Seeing lots of references to the movie. Don't bother with it. Lovell's book is an incredible read.

[@jesserendon7275]

Yeah rereading it also now.

[@droopmountain6510]

They were really reluctant to close out that second fuel cell.

[@jackhanna4447]

Wow. This is really nerve-wracking at times.

[@mottthehoople684]

It's a sad State of Affairs when I have to go back to Apollo 13 to be a proud of what Americans are doing

[@JimLovell-np4pv]

lol... i know what you mean but don't forget that there are emergency room surgeons and nurses making decisions under pressure and keeping people alive right now, as you read this. don't give into cynicism as long as there's a reasonable alternative

[@BigDMartial]

16:44 this is when shit started getting really bad. You can hear it in the tone of their voices.

[@ScuuBdoo]

Interesting to see the two very different management styles of Kranz and Lunney. Lunney is slightly less patient LOL

[@Zoomer30]

Whoops, they lost data in the building. Blue screen of death, 1960s version.

[@jgunther3398]

we had tickets on this flight but we missed our connection in atlanta and then my wife's mother called and said she was having one of her spells, so we decided to just call it off and try again next year

[@Glyn-r]

You have a sickening sense of humour as human lives were on the line .😨

[@JimLovell-np4pv]

fwiw, i like your sense of humor just fine

[@JimLovell-np4pv]

interesting point at 15:40 when Glynn wants to know if they have a procedure in place already for using the LM as a lifeboat. The engineers who put together that contingency never knew how important their work would become!

[@satelloidmike]

Glynn Lunney and Gene Kranz were great!

[@wierdalien1]

Matt Capitano cant have been that much of a wimp or a jackass. Became the youngest of the FDs, requires either a lot of ambition or a good friend in high places.

[@wierdalien1]

Matt Capitano not when he joined the STG on his own merit. Generally being a jackass means that the boss doesnt like you.

[@Zoomer30]

"datgum"... A word lost to history.

[@timanspach9544]

And "post gosh"

[@tomlavelle8518]

Datgum... gummed up data?

[@erac5855]

By the time they went through the fuel cell shut down for 1, I imagine the crew already knew they weren’t going to make a moon landing. I’ve always found it to be very professional and impressive that neither the crew nor mission control had to say outright that the moon landing was off, it was just a known fact. I believe Haise has said that not long after the initial problem, just looking at the gauges, he had a pretty good feeling they had lost the moon. He was more sick to his stomach about that than fearful for their lives at that point. That would be a hard thing to lose, but getting them back alive was obviously the triumph of this flight.

[@jmtardogno]

Lovell also states in Lost Moon that he knew fairly early on when the guages on the panels, which initially appeared rosy and fine after the explosion, began to rapidly deteriorate, he knew they weren’t landing on the moon. It required 3 healthy fuel cells in order to get the go ahead, and one was gone, with one slowly dying. IIRC, right after they get told to begin various power down procedures, in his book, Lovell remarked either to the crew or to himself that it seemed NASA was finally coming to the realization that the crew already realized. The Oddysey was dying, and they needed to save every bit of power they could if they were going to get them home. I believe the crew were also preparing for the lunar lifeboat before the call came up from NASA to power up the LEM. These guys knew their ship, and they figured it out before the guys on the ground could make sense of what they were seeing.

[@beaconterraoneonline]

... and using slide rules and pencils ... hero’s all.

[@jchors2947]

Wow. Part 2 was more intense than part 1.

[@chrisslater6979]

J Chors Part 2 was more intense than the Movie. I really enjoy that movie and rewatching it recently let to some Googling and I found these videos. Listening to this part made me more tense than watching the movie.

[@SeptaShaenasSapphires]

They ran out of time so fast in this part.

[@mauricefrontz8570]

Godspeed, Glynn Lunney

[@queenash2755]

You could tell several times that Glynn was under pressure and almost lost his temper on some people

[@rbnn]

56:51 “I want you to double check my arithmetic to make sure we get a good coarse align”. 59:31 “arithmetic looks good”

[@rbnn]

38:00 Glynn laughs or sighs when he is told there are three or four minutes of power in the CSM and a whole lot more to do

[@N_Wheeler]

56:45 doublecheck my arithmetic 59:35 looks good Flight

[@wschmrdr]

Slide rule must have busted. ;)

[@UnleashTheGreen]

can you imagine walking into work and being handed this problem? i don't envy Lunney's job at all

[@andyandroz6582]

How the hell they managed all that without making a mistake! Amazing!

[@StormsandSaugeye]

Andy, sorry to dig up an old comment, but I think you'll be interested to know that the entire saving the CSM was seen as something of a mistake. But then, they didn't have the information they should have since they went with the Closing affected fuel cells route. Their power down procedure showed that they were trying to keep things running semi nominally as long as possible, when they should have been working on getting the LM up and maybe preserving what oxygen they could have. Hindsight more than anything revealed those to be mistakes. You aren't technically wrong though!

[@andyandroz6582]

Amy they got there in the end and lessons were learnt I'm sure. I think I meant fatal errors. thanks.

[@age234]

A lot of key moments from the film in this section, but it was Lunney instead of Kranz. I suppose they wanted to reduce the size of the main cast for simplicity.

[@tomlavelle8518]

Glenn Lenny seemed very hesitant to accept that the O2 tanks were beyond saving. Took him awhile to make the decision to get them into the LEM. Did he still want to salvage the moon landing?!

[@richardlincoln886]

Its a non reversible decision - O2 is the lifeblood of these machines, generates power and water - the fuel cells consume it - once you turn them off you can't turn them back on + no fuel stops on the way there or back. Easy to get into a snappy decision mode in a crisis so I guess he was just making sure his colleagues we're not jumping to conclusions and giving everyone time to change their mind (my opinion only)

[@samuellawson7370]

Lunney knew from Kranz handing over command that the Moon landing was long gone and that the primary focus was on getting home. This can be gleaned from when he told CAPCOM during the lunar lifeboat talk that "we're not going to do a DPS burn until we hook around the Moon", so he knew that the objective was saving the crew and he had already engaged in discussions about lunar swingby routes (though the PC+2 burn didn't become a discussion point until later). What he was doing was pushing his controllers as hard as possible to make sure they had ruled out every possible course of action before taking the irreversible, final step of closing off the fuel cells. Most of the controllers in the MOCR and the backroom were smart (especially John Aaron) but some needed a bit of prodding to make sure every contingency and opportunity had been taken into consideration.

[@flektoprime]

it would be nice to put the name of folks talking in the description.

[@paulsarna5066]

There are some really frantic moments on here and they NEEDED to be...so much pressure, but they pulled this off.

[@kennethhoffman8845]

Good to see this hasn't been polluted by the 'hoaxers'.

[@Zoomer30]

Wish I could create an algorithm that would ban all "nuts" from my view. Can't stand abject stupidity.

[@Zoomer30]

They also seem to ignore those landing sites that that Japanese orbiter imaged a few years back and the photos matched EXCATLY with photos the astronauts took from orbit (walking tracks matched, Rover tracks matched, everything).

[@wierdalien1]

Kenneth Hoffman because they dont care enough

[@erickaminski1472]

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT APOLLO 13. THEY HAD OXYGEN IN PLSS SUITS AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM WHEN THEY WERE SUFFOCATING FROM CO2. AND THEY DID NOT USE THE TWO MOON SUITS TO WARM THEMESELVES UP. WELL ? ephemetherson

[@EeekiE]

Eric Kaminski You don’t fix a toxic build of CO2 by introducing more O2. Have you ever considered the possibility that NASA knows more about environmental control and biology than perhaps you do? You can have as much oxygen as you like, and if there is too much CO2 you have problems. The CO2 needs to be removed. As a side note, your body doesn’t react or perceive suffocation from a lack of oxygen, but from a build up of CO2 concentration. For scrubbing the CO2 the PLSS had its own reaction canisters that they were prepared to use if necessary, but they weren’t. They were never in a position of suffocating from CO2, they had plenty of margin and plenty of time to create the two hosed scrubbers and the additional two that piggy-backed off those later on. As far as the temperature goes, they discussed and considered getting suited, but the astronauts could keep warm enough by huddling in the LM, and didn’t want the trade off in mobility from wearing them. The did use the over boots intended for walking on the moon for warming their feet, though. So everything strange about Apollo 13 is you being ignorant of the effects of CO2 toxicity, and being generally ignorant of the mission itself, although without reading the entire transcripts it’s hard to be properly informed. Protip: the Movie was dramatised and condensed with a lot of artistic licence taken.

[@Life.inthe.Matrix]

if hi bit rate does not cost them any power then why not keep it on? the static really kills when it kicks in when off hi bit rate.

[@zelmoziggy]

It does cost power. When they were going over the final re-entry timeline near the end of the mission, they turned on high bitrate to make sure that they were understood, and Joe Kerwin said they could do it because they had enough amps to spare.

[@Life.inthe.Matrix]

Thanks for response..

[@Damocles16]

1:30 White team's GNC sounds so badass xd !

[@Banana_Cognac]

One of my favorite comms with him is in part 1, when Gene tells him, "GNC, watch those thrusters, will ya" He replies: "GNC. Say again" Gene replies so nicely lol.

[@Marci124]

"We're gonna lose power on the buses, now, what do you want to switch off?" ... "Power it down, Flight, *all* of it!"

[@stymiedagain]

30:00-31:00 While the CAPCOM is relaying instructions to the crew, you hear a lot of background chatter, more than before. I wonder why?

[@DaveS_shuttle]

That's because of the still keyed mic, it's picking up all of offline (not transmitted on the FD loop) discussions between each Flight Controller and their backroom support postions (each Flight Controller can have 3-4 specialized positions in a Multi-Purpose Support Room, MPSR, located elsewhere in the same physical MCC building). The MOCR itself is known as the "Front Room". Each Flight Controller position has its own separate comm circuit, also called a "loop" and each postion can listen in and talk on another controller's circuit. What we are hearing here is the Flight Director's circuit which is considered the official circuit that everyone talks on.

[@chipdeaton3484]

1:19:23 "WHO HE"...lol....just sounds funny to hear it said at such a technical moment.

[@skyprop]

If you stare at their Mission patch for a little......

[@jennifermurray4387]

Lol...I knew it wasn't just me😂

[@mbalfour7]

??? Care to share?

[@johnpooky84]

What are you talking about, skyprop?

[@knobdikker]

Even Glynn Lunney knew at that point that power conservation was paramount to getting them home when he is telling GNC that we can't afford 0.8 amps for the duration of the mission!

[@mjl1966y]

So it was Lunny, not Krantz who was on the horn during the critical power-down and transfer sequence. The more I hear from both the ground-to-air loop and especially the flight director loop, the more I really lose respect for Ron Howard. I know, it was a great movie and sparked a huge interest in manned spaceflight history, but gee whiz, there are many details that could have been portrayed accurately without compromising dramatic license. Just sayin'

[@hands-onfilmmaking]

Krantz is sitting right next to him.

[@hands-onfilmmaking]

Krantz and Lenny worked as a team the whole time and Krantz was leading the tiger team. So, I give Howard a pass for fudging the details. And, Ed Harris nailed that part despite being way more forceful than the real Krantz. He played it like an amalgam of both men . But there were 4 flight directors who worked 13... The movie didn't show but 1 in the spotlight.

[@suzim9458]

Indeed you should lose a lot of respect for Ron Howard. I don't buy the "it's a movie, it's Hollywood, they can take liberties" argument. When you use a key historical event, you should not give flat-out false information. This was an amazing rescue operation, but no need to show Kevin Bacon gasping for air, no need to make it seem like they had minutes after the explosion to get into the LEM, no need to make up a fight between Swiggert and Haise, no need to make Mattingly a hero when he did nothing. And certainly no need to make Sy Liebergot look stupid when he was amazing. John Aaron was the real hero and they made him look like a hyper kid, when he was cool and collected. John Aaron is who figured out how to get them back with about as much battery power as an AA battery. Apollo 13 was about as accurate as Oliver Stone's JFK. Sorry but it was Oswald alone, as much as people don't want to admit it. But kids grow up thinking it was definitely conspiracy, just like kids will grow up thinking the Apollo 13 astronauts hated each other, gasped for air, and Ken Mattingly saved the day. Pathetic.

[@GlutenEruption]

+Suzi M I agree in a way but if you listen to Ron Howard tell it, the point of a movie is to make the audience experience the emotions of the people that were there. Yes he exaggerated but only because a lay audience aren't space geeks like us. The scene where the crew is yelling at each other for instance, is included to portray the tension of wether they were going to make it back, not to show exactly how it happend... That I can forgive considering how it got an entire generation into space again

[@wierdalien1]

mjl1966y actually the movie shows that glynn was in charge and it shows the hand over.

[@ibanez1403]

freaking love these , thanks !

[@erickaminski1472]

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT APOLLO 13. THEY HAD OXYGEN IN PLSS SUITS AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM WHEN THEY WERE SUFFOCATING FROM CO2. AND THEY DID NOT USE THE TWO MOON SUITS TO WARM THEMESELVES UP. WELL ? ephemetherson

[@littlesinga]

Eric Kaminski As I stated on part 1, A, the moon suits were rubber which would have caused them to sweat which in a cold spacecraft, would have caused hypothermia. B, with three guys crammed into the LM barely meant for two, they would not have had room for their climate control units.

[@beverlybradford6725]

Thanks for posting this. This is not fake. It happened before 1979 so it is not fake.

[@tedpeterson1156]

Why is 1979 significant?

[@Dave__AC]

this is a true leader

[@danedgar1539]

Glynn seemed to have a little less tact than Gene, both heros but black team seemed have more of a "ok lets kick some ass attitude"

[@rbnn]

Lunney swears at the O2 at 11:45

[@user-kf4tn9ds8h]

Does anyone have a link to a play by play of what’s being done for those of us who are interested but cant fully understand what the dialogue means?

[@stefanbuscaylet]

Chris Slater great reference. Thank you

[@evviemoore5166]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYjJn4xvmLeLhZY This is the start of the emergency, contains total flight director loops, you can then link to 3 other KZbin recordings of later flight director loops. Frustrating thing is that it ends there.

[@mannfamilyMI]

Simply amazing.

[@5Andysalive]

Glynn Lunney is one of the many unsing heros of Apollo 13. He's not making choices lightly but he does. And he did the big ones in this early phase, not Kranz.

[@zelmoziggy]

Except for biggest decision of all--the decision to use a free-return trajectory rather than attempting a direct abort.

[@littlesinga]

Remember though, Kranz was the lead flight director. He was ultimately in charge of all four teams in mission control. When he wasn’t on duty in the room, he was in the back room helping figure out what happened and what to do.

[@ksracing8396]

@@zelmoziggy Which Kranz made after Lunney had explained to him (off loop) what he had worked out with the guys in the Trench. Lunney, a former FIDO, was much more familiar with this stuff than Kranz, who was a systems guy.

[@ksracing8396]

@@littlesinga Actually the lead Flight Director of 13 was Milt Windler... But Kranz so often called himself the lead Flight that about everybody believes it nowadays...

[@zelmoziggy]

@@ksracing8396 Wasn't it Gerry Griffin, not Lunney?

[@trevorbodnar5495]

RIP Glynn Lunney

[@denniss9620]

Lunney did an excellent job here

[@gives_bad_advice]

Who is the fellow with the southern drawl?

[@mattp1002]

It’s amazing that while all controllers specialize in their respective roles, they know about all systems, especially the flight controller.

[@hikesystem7721]

Yes, they know a lot, but not all. After Flight asks if they want to reopen fuel cell 3 ( 7:53 ), he asks: 8:48

[@pajasa62]

This is so dramatic!...Thanks for posting this!

[@erickaminski1472]

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT APOLLO 13. THEY HAD OXYGEN IN PLSS SUITS AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM WHEN THEY WERE SUFFOCATING FROM CO2. AND THEY DID NOT USE THE TWO MOON SUITS TO WARM THEMESELVES UP. WELL ? ephemetherson

[@8aron]

@@erickaminski1472 They couldn’t of done that

[@SoundJudgment]

Fantastic coverage of these historic transmissions. I am a little puzzled about hearing all the voices sounding a bit 'high pitched' throughout much of Part 2... almost to the point where some of the voices sound almost 'chipmonk-ish' at times. Was the original recording made at the time.. slowly slowing down over that period? Or could the recordings have been possibly played-back a bit too fast when it was being digitized?

[@BigHermAZ]

I wouldn't have thought that "bitrate" was a thing back in 1970.....

[@jasonmurawski5877]

They were sending digital data, of course it was a thing.

[@TestTubeBabySpy]

anybody remember the in-line heaters coming off the line? eecom said pull them but i dont think they called it up

[@ferchrissakes]

***** They switched off the in-line heaters on fuel cell 1 at around 56:58:40 GET, according the air-ground transcript: www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/mission_trans/AS13_TEC.PDF (page 172) That's just before they proceeded to shut down fuel cell 3 entirely.

[@TestTubeBabySpy]

ferchrissakes Yup, got it, i sure missed it, guess thats why im not a flight director!

[@jambojambo313]

In the UK both men would have been made Sir’s👍

[@gives_bad_advice]

Three

[@Zoomer30]

Odd hearing Lunn trying to get the pressure up in 2 when tank 2 was totally ruptured.

[@BigDMartial]

They didn't know the oxygen tank was completely lost until the data started saying it was ambient, basically exposed to the vacuum of space.

[@jasonmurawski5877]

They didn’t know it was blown. they didn’t know what had happened

[@EdWeibe]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2GWYWytlMxlh9U 22:15 on this loop explains why they didnt go to the suits.