Listening to this proves that it’s not just about brains, it’s having the ability to remain calm and keep thinking clearly in the face of severe pressure and adversity. Very few people have this disposition, most would go into a blind panic.
@5Andysalive6 жыл бұрын
I like how capcom is an active part in this. It's not just passing on things. He's kinda actively speaking for the crew at times.
@CharlesP20096 жыл бұрын
That's why the CAPCOM was always a fellow astronaut. A unique perspective
@chrisknestrick3744 жыл бұрын
I have the same thought every time I listen to Jack Lousma on this recording.
@davidmoser35353 жыл бұрын
Lousma was epic
@SeptaShaenasSapphires2 жыл бұрын
And sometimes he gives the reasoning for the action so it is more clear or repeats actions that he knows will be a concern for the crew so that they know control is sure.
@cleekmaker002 жыл бұрын
And that's the reason CAPCOM was the only person allowed to talk directly to the Crew, just as it is to this day.
@toddschmieks11 жыл бұрын
How can anyone think that we did not go to the moon with this kind of communication between mission control and the crew of Apollo 13, this is amazeing!!
@dks1382711 жыл бұрын
Our schools are largely to blame. They teach nothing about spaceflight. It's pretty darn sad when moonwalkers speak to youngsters and are called liars. Very sad indeed. I saw the entire Apollo program and it was really good.
@wschmrdr5 жыл бұрын
Critical thinking is no longer used nor taught. Couple with the government doing a lot of shady things in the 60's, it's natural inclination to not trust them. But there are ways to figure out that it's real.
@peterthegreat9965 жыл бұрын
I think Bill Whittle does a good job explaining this . Today most people think a long time is 5 maybe 10 minutes and long term is maybe a week. Also the instant gratification of today via social media and so forth makes if difficult for people to understand “ incrementalism “. Today’s people have a dim understanding of a process that began with the Wright Brothers and then Goddard and then small steps - red stone 1 and 2 then Sheppard , Grissom/ then Glen. Just start with Shepard - a gradual process spread out over 8 years. Also the balls factor is sorely lacking today.
@redriverraider10 жыл бұрын
Damn I love engineers! Use facts and math and fix the problem! Thanks for this series of audios!
@EdWeibe5 жыл бұрын
and these guys didnt have but 2nd or 3rd decimal place
@N_Wheeler7 жыл бұрын
29:28 for the VOX event referred to in the movie, which includes the word "frappin" ....
@rwboa224 жыл бұрын
Except that in the movie, instead of Lovell saying "frappin' attitude", he says "frappin' eight-ball" (in reference to the attitude indicator, which has the red gimbal lock discs painted at the 0° and 180° positions).
@TestTubeBabySpy3 жыл бұрын
17:27 I love how you can hear the RCS firing
@Gradius65 жыл бұрын
Also I'm amused by 24:00, when Haise says "Hey Jack?" and Lousma reflexively pushes the transmit button, but then lets go when he realizes that Haise is referring to Swigert.
@KanalFrump5 жыл бұрын
absolutely the finest day for these good, bright, capable people.
@danieljckson6 жыл бұрын
These are the absolute best thing on all of youtube!
@dharrell20005 жыл бұрын
Lousma has an EXCELLENT bedside manner and was a huge part of the success of 13
@5Andysalive4 жыл бұрын
also interesting how involved he was. As far as Kranz and Lunney were concerned, he was also speaking for the crew because they could not ponder every decision with them. Like 50:15 That's why he at times get's to an almost demanding tone to the flight director.
@jimwatson8427 жыл бұрын
For those of you asking about Gene Kranz. I highly recommend his memoir "Failure Is Not An Option". He gives a lot of inside info about Flight Control from Mercury through Apollo. I learned Scott Carpenter came close to losing his life, which was not reported; only that he overshot his landing area by 250 miles. NASA and the supporting media were real good at making these missions look ho-hum--which Apollo 13 proved they were not.
@Zoomer305 жыл бұрын
And no surprise, Scott Carpenter did not set foot in a spacecraft again.
@5Andysalive4 жыл бұрын
@@Zoomer30 That was more down to Krafts character. As brilliant as he was, if he had anything against someone, that someone might as well quit. He would carry it after someone for ever. Which makes judging this event only from his pov difficult. Kranz is actually more diplomatic. Also i always found it weird when people blame Nasa for doing PR work and trying to look good. They are publically funded! Keeping public and politicians happy is a necessity. And you don't solve problems not with the press. anyway. Internally (including partners and contractors) things were dealt with differently. Probelms were not ignored or played down. At least pre shuttle. For example when Gene Cernan and Dick Gordon, and to a lesser extend Mike Collins, had their bad experiences with EVA's on Gemini 9,11 and 10, NAsa didn't go to the press shouting "OMG WTF he almost died". They laid out the facts and what happened (com was completely public anyway) and said they had to rething eva. Internally they started a VERY thourough re-evaluation of EVA and how to do them. What happens when politics and external comitees take over for you, is the Space Shuttle. That, as it turned out after design by about 5 comitees, with military and poiliticians, was NOT Nasa's idea of it. And it's troubles came partly from NAsa bureaucracy, but also from high expectations with a small budget, that was not enough to deal with the Shuttle they had ended up with. Safety was ususally the first point cuts landed it. John Youngs book is very interesting in that regard. He was heavily involved in the shuttle program and pointing out the issues. He is not shy pointing at the real reasons.
@Elios00004 ай бұрын
@@5Andysalive Didnt help that CIA and Mil left the program early after Challenger. Most Shuttles design was mandated by them and when they went back to Delta's it hurt the budget a ton
@litltoosee10 жыл бұрын
Once upon a time, we were a Mighty Nation, with a noble mission.
@Mattkb96 жыл бұрын
litltoosee now a reality tv star is our president... lol
@trylikeafool5 жыл бұрын
Matt Comerford Except this is what he meant by Make America Great Again. We’ve lost our way with a lot of things. NASA being one.
@wschmrdr5 жыл бұрын
At the end of a film about Apollo 16, they said that this is what Made America Great, and will Keep America Great.
@jacksons10105 жыл бұрын
trylikeafool That’s what MAGA meant to *you*. Wishful thinking...much as I also wish America would see the value of science again.
@littlesinga5 жыл бұрын
In an interview not long ago, Gene Kranz said the problem with NASA and the government now is that everyone is terrified to take risks. He said there can be no progress without taking risks.
@jchors29476 жыл бұрын
The open mic (VOX) segment is amazing to listen to. It gives real insight into the tension aboard the spacecraft.
@littlesinga5 жыл бұрын
J Chors Jim Lovell said in an interview that some artistic license was taken as far as the tension on the spacecraft in the Apollo 13 movie. However, he also said the crew made a pact that they would never publicly reveal what the tension was really like or what was discussed on their downtime.
@RRaquello9 жыл бұрын
Even in a crisis, Glynn Lunney doesn't forget good manners. At 23:32 he wants CapCom Lousma to let the guys know they're hearing everything they say over the VOX radio, as to avoid eavesdropping. In short passages before this we get to hear some of the unguarded conversation of the crew, which is very interesting. Lousma has a very good speaking voice. He could have been a radio announcer. At 1:22:44 we get a cameo from John Young, who was at the CapCom desk with Lousma through this whole thing, as anyone who has seen the Apollo 13 films (the on-the-spot NASA films, not the movie) will know. It sounds like Young is speaking directly to the ship rather than through Lousma because when he goes on & off the radio we hear the Quindar tones. I'm guessing this would be allowed as only astronauts spoke directly to the ship and, of course, John Young was an astronaut. I'm guessing that the Com guy having all the trouble getting the radio back to the ship is Ed Fendell (they address him as "Ed"). You can hear the frustration through this entire episode, but Lunney barely manages to keep his cool. It sounds like he wants to start cussing, but he doesn't. His very frustrating experience with the Apollo 7 crew a couple of years before prepared him for this. Fendell might have been worried about his career after saying they'd lose the radio for 30 seconds, then saw it turn into 30 minutes, but he stuck around long enough to be in charge of the rover camera on 15, 16 & 17.
@dachhh9 жыл бұрын
***** Is a recording of the capcom loop available? would be easier to hear what they are saying
@bradwilmot50669 жыл бұрын
+RRaquello Makes me wonder how many colorful words were said by the FD to INCO off-loop... Glenn sounded like he wanted to punch someone in the neck there for a bit...
@Docdust1006 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with your assessment.
@EdWeibe6 жыл бұрын
gotta figure these guys are fighting for their lives and as Lovell said once 'we had to figure a way to get back to the Earth'.
@quadturbo48 жыл бұрын
0:09:30: A great exchange with the closing/opening of O2 tanks, showing the total professionalism in every link of the chain.
@N_Wheeler7 жыл бұрын
1:17:45 beginning of extensive comm loss that you don't ever hear about. The ground station locked onto the IU for the S-IVB (data) instead of the LM voice/data. Spacecraft couldn't hear Houston, and vice versa. The LM wasn't supposed to be transmitting the same time as the S-IVB.
@bradwilmot50663 жыл бұрын
You can tell that Glenn was getting a little pissy with the INCO at the start...
@TheNoonish4 жыл бұрын
7:49 I like that sequence. TELMU informs flight of an issue he wants to address. He starts laying out which valves he wants to switch out, but Lunney interrupts with a clarification. "Before you go through the valves, what are you trying to accomplish?" Clarifying exactly what the goal is before getting into the actual actions to take.
@conradwpaul11 жыл бұрын
This is greatly appreciated- Thank you
@vanchildres453011 жыл бұрын
Frapping attitude! lol gotta love Jim Lovell
@rwboa22 Жыл бұрын
Except in the movie, it was "the frappin' 8-Ball".
@cottagechskitty7 жыл бұрын
I like the chatter as they get out of radio silence about the amount of amps they could use. 15 was just crazy. They did it, but it was crazy
@TheSeeker19609 жыл бұрын
This is obviously a lot different than the movie, and the movie was good. I'd prefer seeing an actual in depth documentary, have seen a couple that just explained things but I would have liked to have known more. I was 10 when this happened and a huge spaceflight fan at the time. Now after listening to these loops I am going to do more investigating, it's fascinating.
@AtlanticBeachDiving9 жыл бұрын
TheSeeker1960 , I would recommend Lost Moon by Jim Lovell and Jeffrey Kluger. Goes into detail while keeping it simple for the layperson.
@Zoomer309 жыл бұрын
Read the book. Making a totally accurate movie about this accident is pretty much impossible. Most people in your average movie theatre can bearly understand why you cant see the stars in the daytime, all this jargon would kill them.
@michaelfields8793 Жыл бұрын
Sy Leibergot says 'Apollo13--To The Edge And Back' from PBS is the best documentary. Also, a must read is Charles Murray's 'Apollo--The Race To The Moon'. MF in PA
@Zoomer305 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine all these acronyms in the movie. I've read a lot about spaceflight and Apollo so it doesn't throw me. PNGS (pronounced "pings") = Primary Navigation and Guidance Sysgem AGS= Abort Guidance System (lower power than the PNGS, so lower water usage) PTC = Passive Thermal Control (bar-b-que roll)
@5Andysalive4 жыл бұрын
Simplifying isn't the issue. Of course you have to. But showing only one flight director, let things always happen at the last second for extra drama. Like the CO2 scrubbing thing.
@Zoomer304 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a hard thing to make into a movie.
@Gradius65 жыл бұрын
When the flight director loop started (Part 1) there was no background noise at all. Now when you listen it sounds like they're in a crowded shopping mall. Those microphones are supposed to filter out noise so you can just imagine the pandemonium that's taking place in the MOCR right now. (18:18 is a good example, when Lunney tells everyone to be quiet.)
@djackman42299 жыл бұрын
I was 13 when this was happening. This is the best way for someone not born at that time to get a sense of the awesome competence and courage that characterised the entire space program. It would be very hard to listen to this and still believe the moon landing was faked - the reasons why it was pulled off are on display here.
@threeparots14 жыл бұрын
Interesting departure from the movie with Mission control being well aware of the lithium hydroxide status. They had a very good grasp of things during this event.
@Forest_Fifer3 жыл бұрын
Yup, it was mentioned in part 2 of these transcripts, they were fully aware they would need to sort it.
@JohnDoe-qx3zs7 жыл бұрын
Would be lovely to have some more data displays synced with the audio, like what was available on the various control room displays and preserved in the records.
@ryanschweikhardt2 жыл бұрын
That would be awesome! But an extremely daunting task.
@matthewsmith45993 жыл бұрын
" damn I'd wish they'd go to somthing I know" lol . I am loving this! It's so hard to separate what I know of 13 ( the movie) from this. But listening with my eyes closed ....idk many I'm a nerd but hearing the agitation and emotions.. it's so good!
@Peoplemvr Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating! You go, Glynn. Not sure why EST is displayed though. MOCR is in Houston .
@davidmichael5573 Жыл бұрын
Because everything in the US is EST but you also see UTC which is the most important clock on the world stage.
@jodysin7 Жыл бұрын
Hearing about apollo 13 as a kid, I didn't really appreciate what these guys achieved in getting the crew back. It just shows that people from that era were built differently.
@Zoomer307 жыл бұрын
Crazy how you can hear Lovell using the hand controller to fire the jets to get the middle gimbal away from gimbal lock. For Christmas I want a forth gimbal. (A nod to Mike Collins who, tried as he might, could not get the Apollo 11 CSM into a attitude to see the LEM on the surface, due to gimbal lock warnings, a forth gimbal would make gimbal lock impossible because they would not line up.)
@5Andysalive5 жыл бұрын
and the spacecraft heavier.
@pclarin Жыл бұрын
Those guys were so smart!
@tomlavelle85185 жыл бұрын
22:30 between Lovell and Haise?
@christopherthroop31713 жыл бұрын
Judgeing by the picture on the patch . We cant teally use the ex es ting but we may be able to light up the ap tpometer
@markholbrook39496 жыл бұрын
Although Jean Krantz deserves his fame we forget (atleast I forgot) just how competent the other teams were including Black Team members, Specifically Glynn Lunney!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@alexeilindes75076 жыл бұрын
I mean the amount of issues that needed to be configured in this 2 hours is remarkable. It's one after the other.
@quadturbo45 жыл бұрын
Gene Kranz
@blueb0g4 жыл бұрын
What a great job Lousma did
@michaelfields87932 жыл бұрын
Outstanding job; He should have walked on the Moon.
@sinclairjg9 жыл бұрын
There are some really interesting silent gaps in this video - static and obvious ability to broadcast, but no loop chatter. And the gap in comms is scary - no way to message but voice.
@bigdrew5657 жыл бұрын
well, most of the controllers were going back and forth with their support teams on a different loop. just because you don't hear them didn't mean that nothing was happening.
@c28baby5 жыл бұрын
10:48 I'm looking forward to hearing the "He's Getting Close to Gimbal Lock" song!
@Zoomer305 жыл бұрын
The IU frequency issue was due to the 3rd stage shouting down the LEM. I get the feeling the way CAPCOM said it he had no idea what it meant.
@SterileNeutrino5 жыл бұрын
Did Flight have a large whiteboard to keep track of all the threads? Preferably three large whiteboards that can be cycled, with minions to clean the one not in use and make transcripts.
@stevebollinger34634 жыл бұрын
Whiteboards weren’t invented yet.
@Gradius64 жыл бұрын
Lots of pen and paper, and coffee and cigarettes. Lunney was also intrinsically brilliant at keeping multiple threads of action in his mind at a time.
@KFieLdGaming7 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I always assumed the bit in the movie where Lovell starts cursing about the gimbles over a hot-mic, only to be informed by the ground that they were on vox the whole time was a bit of artistic license to create some additional tension. It turns out there was a sequence were they were going on about stuff while on vox, until Jack Lousma(Capcom) informs them they're on VOX, and then Fred says "What? You want us to goto VOX?" and then of course he says they've been on vox the whole time. The circumstances were a bit different of course but in general it was pretty accurate.
@wierdalien17 жыл бұрын
Fifty0ne alot of the movie is direct lift.
@dks1382711 жыл бұрын
This is outstanding. Can you get more of these kinds of audios ? Thanks.
@JimLovell-np4pv Жыл бұрын
4:54 "we'd like to know if you can see stars for landing purposes" WHAT!?
@tonygrasso9 Жыл бұрын
I heard, “we’d like to know if you can see stars for ‘alignment’ purposes”
@5Andysalive5 жыл бұрын
The longest "25 seconds" in the Apollo program. Glynn Lunney got awfully impatient once the 25 seconds had lasted half an hour.
@Gradius64 жыл бұрын
On the Apollo In Real Time website, if you listen to the flight director loop, he makes a reference to this later in the mission. INCO: "Flight, I want to propose a small little test, um--" Lunney: "You know how much I like those!" INCO: "Yeah, I know."
@toddschmieks11 жыл бұрын
the Apollo program showed just how great this country was. There is now way with the attitude of todays young people that we could ever accomplish what this country did back in the 60's
@TomTheSiberianHusky8 жыл бұрын
What, and hippies are better, are they?
@wierdalien17 жыл бұрын
Todd Schmieks so SpaceX isnt doing exactly that?
@zelmoziggy5 жыл бұрын
You don't think the Mars rovers were an outstanding accomplishment?
@SeptaShaenasSapphires2 жыл бұрын
I guess this was just another time men from the planet earth said FU to Murphy’s Law and the harshness of nature itself. Unbelievable knowledge, wrapped in a kind of logic and all contained by nerves and attitude of steel.
@Zoomer309 жыл бұрын
Yet another oversight. They inexplicably designed the Saturn 3rd stage to transmit on the same frequency as the LEM. Normally not an issue because they should not even have the LEM powered up before the S-IVB stage has hit the moon. Most likely was redesigned after 13.
@Zoomer305 жыл бұрын
CAPCOM seemed very "slow" to warn them about the VOX.
@wschmrdr5 жыл бұрын
It was useful previously. But once you start cussing, there become FCC and IARU concerns (despite them not being on Earth), so let them know it's a hot mic.
@markholbrook39496 жыл бұрын
TEAMWORK. SYSTEM KNOWLEDGE AND OLD FASHIONED ARITHMETIC SPELLED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUCCESS AND TRAGEDY.... OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@erickaminski14726 жыл бұрын
OH YEAAAAA ! THEY COULDN'T COUNT THE OXYGEN TANKS IN PLSS SIUTS ? WELL, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING STRANGE ABOUT APOLLO 13. THEY HAD OXYGEN IN PLSS SUITS AND THEY DID NOT USE THEM WHEN THEY WERE SUFFOCATING FROM CO2. AND THEY DID NOT USE THE TWO MOON SUITS TO WARM THEMESELVES UP. WELL ? ephemetherson
@Mattkb96 жыл бұрын
And tons of money
@bigdrew5656 жыл бұрын
@@erickaminski1472 Actually, they were going to use the water in the PLSS's to add to the LM cooling water, if it came to it. As to using the suits to stay warm? they had no power to run the suit compressors, if they had over heated, and taken off the suits, they would have had problems. adding oxygen to the atmosphere wouldn't have done a thing to lower the CO2 content. that was the purpose of the lithium hydroxide canisters.
@coloneldax814310 ай бұрын
they didn't have any blank paper to write on yet they navigated by the stars
@MT-oj2ls9 жыл бұрын
Which one is Gene Kranz?
@pierre-emilebertona33319 жыл бұрын
+Boe Rex If my books are correct, Gene Kranz was Fly Director of the other team, the White Team, at work at the moment of the explosion.
@evelynmoore26138 жыл бұрын
Gene Kranz is the Flight Director of the White Team in part 1.
@edwardvanleppard27748 жыл бұрын
Gene is on Part 1 of this series. Among others later in the flight/recovery.
@christopherthroop31713 жыл бұрын
Assuming you can do a backflip acsent craft may be headed in an dir . La grin. Depeanding u derstanding where youd like to be
@Zoomer305 жыл бұрын
And from this moment forward, no O2 tank will be named Tank 2. First the SM tank 2 ruptured then the O2 tank 2 in the LEM ascent stage was getting overpressure.
@nathandahl92338 ай бұрын
22:37 WTH is Popeye doing up there? Not only that, but they have him flying the spacecraft? There's your problem right there.
@scottcampbell1377xanadu4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Gerry Griffin voice !
@OphélieSaurteuli Жыл бұрын
Bonjour
@1651ron10 жыл бұрын
Responding to Todd. I 100% agree. This country's mindset is not capable!!!
@Mattkb96 жыл бұрын
Ron Ramsey what about now, Ron? SPACE FORCE!
@hastingsotienootieno36603 жыл бұрын
Apollo 13 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@hikesystem77213 жыл бұрын
Quite a bit different than a billionaire joy ride.
@ScuuBdoo5 жыл бұрын
Jesus he doesn't even give them a chance to reply 1:24:24 Really don't like how Lunney conducts himself sometimes. He should be the voice of calm and patience. Instead he probably makes his team nervous and doubt themselves before speaking up.
@Gradius64 жыл бұрын
While I agree Lunney is rather impatient, part of it is because controllers, especially TELMU at this phase in the mission, were usually listening to 3 or 4 loops at a time. Lunney does have to continually prod him to get his attention because his own voice is being drowned out by TELMU's back room, CONTROL, FDO, etc..
@davidmoser35354 жыл бұрын
When 3 guys are 200.000 from home, and at risk of dying, you dont have time to be nice. You have to be DECISIVE. If the controllers are overly sensitive, they have no business being controllers. Lunney handled this situation almost flawlessely.
@christopherthroop31713 жыл бұрын
Plural .
@brianwolfe90796 жыл бұрын
App
@shannonmalayajones76494 жыл бұрын
HostHr lights and heaters off
@markholbrook39494 жыл бұрын
Work it out babe... I would of went through a wall for Tunney if I worked with him!!!...
@stephenchristian57395 жыл бұрын
DAMN! WELL AS A BELIEVER U HAVE TO SAY TO SCIENTISTS COMPUTER GEEKS AMAZING MINDS ITS THE STARS IN SKY IN THE END AGAIN TO BRING FOLKS HOME, MAGELLAN & ALL THE HEAVENS R ..JUST SAY'N NOT WITHOUT US. THANK YOU MILLIONS & MILLIONS WHO PRAYED THAT NIGHT & DAY NO WAY NO WAY THOSE DUDES GET HOME WITHOUT IT! THAT'S HOW THE WORLD SHOULD WORK & WHAT A MASTER CLASS IN AMERICAN GREATNESS! EVERY NATION (with space progrm) MUST STUDY HOW THESE FOLKS REMAINED SO COOL SO CLEAR U CAN HEAR THE INTENSITY THE MAXIMUM HUMAN EFFORT IN EVERY BREATH, LITERALLY ON EDGE OF THE WORLD. THANK YOU SO MUCH I HAVE LOST ANOTHER DAY RIDING BUT WHAT A SUNDAY. I PUT THE FLAG UP SO I WILL ANOTHER DAY APOLLO 11 50 YEARS & THIS A13 IS AMAZING, AMERICAN ((EXCEPTIONALISM!!)) LISTEN TO THIS U FOOL ILMAR KISS THE GROUND U WALK FOOL
@Zoomer309 жыл бұрын
Yet another oversight. They inexplicably designed the Saturn 3rd stage to transmit on the same frequency as the LEM. Normally not an issue because they should not even have the LEM powered up before the S-IVB stage has hit the moon. Most likely was redesigned after 13.
@JohnDoe-qx3zs7 жыл бұрын
Makes sense to use the same frequency, because they need to keep each used frequency free globally (even in USSR etc.) throughout the Apollo program, and there are already a limited number of frequency bands useable for ground to outer space and back transmissions.