Mormon vs. Pastor at Temple

[@ApologiaStudios]

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[@seanchaney3086]

You're great at defending much of Christian Orthodoxy, but you fall by the wayside when it comes to Calvinism

[@lastatzamby3155]

​@@seanchaney3086 exactly what I have beef with

[@doomguy584]

The answer was in the beginning of the Bible the snake tricked eve into believing that they could become like gods if they ate the fruit mormans believe you can become God or godlike through works so the snake and Joe Smith are one in the same

[@herbofallon965]

You people at Apologia Studios know only bits and pieces of the Gospel. When God and His Son, Jesus Christ both, together, personally appeared to 14-year-old Joseph Smith, Jesus Christ, in responding to Joseph’s question, Which Church should I join? answered how He feels about the man-made churches in the world (there were three large Protestant denominations--Baptist, Methodist, and Presbyterian having Revivals in the Palmyra-Manchester area at that time. God and Christ appearing to Joseph Smith in 1820 had been planned long before. Joseph Smith was chosen by God to be the Prophet of the Restoration in the latter day. Jesus Christ only recognizes and accepts ONE Church on the earth, and that is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. One other thing: Who does the Apologia Studio think wrote the Book of Mormon? I give you people a challenge: make up a book comparable to the Book of Mormon. You won’t even start on it because you know you will utterly fail. The Book of Mormon, being the Stick of Joseph the Prophet Ezekiel spoke about in Ezekiel 37 in the Old Testament, is the Companion to the Bible. Repent, Fellas. You can still go through the missionary lessons given by LDS missionaries.

[@preachthewordpredicalapala3508]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@seanchaney3086Study the Holy Scriptures and you will see that NO person “falls by the wayside”. When CHRIST spoke of the wayside hearer, HE is speaking of the “seed” (The Word): ”Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow: and it came to pass, as he sowed, 👉🏻some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.“ ‭‭Mark‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭ ”The sower soweth the 👉🏻Word. And these are they by the way side, where the Word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the Word that was sown in their hearts.“ ‭‭Mark‬ ‭4‬:‭14‬-‭15‬ ‭ ”And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; and when he sowed, some 👉🏻seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭ ”Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. When any one heareth the Word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13‬:‭18‬-‭19‬ ‭

[@anthonyaer8303]

This guy isn't talking like a Mormon - he sounds like an atheist.

[@nissamelton8597]

I thought that too

[@user-ew4nr7dj8c]

I know him and you are both way off

[@chief7839]

Rhus dude is lost as a goose in a snow storm. Trying to get it but just can't get out of his own way. You can't try to think like God. We just have to have a ton of faith. Pray for him. If he ever gets it he could be a powerful advocate for God.

[@caleb.lindsay]

i disagree. Jeff keeps conflating Alma's (sp?) representations of Jeff's perspective as beliefs Alma holds. while i like Jeff's overall approach, he's actually quite off-base in a lot of the statements regarding Alma's position and ends up arguing against Alma's version of Jeff's argument and injecting flavors of Alma's true beliefs into Jeff's version of Alma's statements about Jeff's perspective. it was a bizarre discussion, but i watched all of it and enjoyed it.

[@tevitamotulalo3909]

Exactly. As he said , he’s a libertarian 😂

[@joediffy]

I really enjoy this mans ministry, he does not get mad or yell, he just quotes scripture, his depth of knowledge of the bible is amazing. Amen brother!

[@MrCaldwell01]

Amen!

[@mandoman1993]

Yes. And he always answers question with firm scripture. Never dances around things. And the way he stays calm and respects everyone but is bold and firm is great.

[@Lastchance2030]

So true my friend! And what is amazing is how they get mad at the words of Jesus! that HE wrote!

[@melissaculpepper7663]

Jeff is gifted by the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit, fill me with this gift!

[@tbong9293]

Amen

[@jeanmariechopin5080]

This is my second time watching this and I didn't realize just how incredibly patient Jeff is with Alma. What a special gift he has. May God's Grace pour out on Alma.

[@armandovelez4376]

Amen

[@gregogrady8027]

Watching these discussions is like a year of listening to Sunday services and ministry application wrapped into an hour. My mind is blown at how well Jeff can take scripture quote it, apply it, and formulate arguments in response to questions or objections to theology. This is like watching a martial artist using words to dismantle the attacks thrown at him and use his enemies energy against him passively.

[@asmandaespinosa7398]

The thief on the cross didn’t do anything, he believed the Lord was who said He was, and the Lord granted him eternal life in paradise 🤗

[@jenluvzya]

Asmanda Espinosa true kindness 😭💞

[@servantauto]

He saw his sinfullness before a holy and righteous God! That's the Gospel.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

Yes he is promised to be in paradise but not in heaven. If you like to go there live with your sin and repent before you die like the thief on the cross.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

James nokis, i don't know what kind of plan you are saying. You are just mixed up.

[@tonyrobbins6338]

It's a beautiful plan, Asmanda: The many ways that a man can sin are almost infinite. But God created this beautiful plan that provides a loop hole for all of the rules that he created: Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and all of your sins are forgive. In other words, according to God's plan, there is really only one single sin: The failure to believe in Jesus. You can be the most moral person on the planet, and if you cannot believe in Jesus, you will go to hell. On the other hand, do whatever the hell you want and be the most reprehensible person on the planet but believe in Jesus, and you will go to heaven. I love God! I am a very evil person, but because I believe in Jesus, I know I will one day be with God in heaven.

[@dumbellknight]

This is a modern example of “having ears but cannot hear, having eyes but cannot see” paraphrasing. He doesn’t want to see because he’s afraid of a paradigm shift. His pride blinds him to the truth of the gospel. I pray for all these Mormons to be converted, amen!

[@leifleifsen8913]

He’s a 19 yr old kid.

[@emanandchill]

@@leifleifsen8913 no he's not.

[@leifleifsen8913]

Yeah had watched two videos. The one before was talking to missionary.

[@davidjordan393]

It might help if the guy who was trying to teach him wasnt such a crappy debater. I think this pastor is so uncharismatic he will push people away from god. that being said i still dont agree with the mormon

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

And who are you? Try to think with this simple message for a second will you; What the co-founder of Microsoft says about the Mormons: An editorial on the Mormons: Paul Allen Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen along with Bill Gates wrote the following editorial in a newspaper in Santa Clarita, California, USA. USA: I've heard and seen enough! I've lived in the West all my life. Worked around them, they've worked for me and I've worked for them. When I was younger, I had a courtship with one of his members. When I got married, they came to my wedding. Now I have my own daughters and some of their boys are boyfriends with my daughters. I would feel privileged if one of them would become my son-in-law. I'm talking about the Mormons. They are some of the most honest and hard working people I've ever met. They are spiritual, probably more than most religious people I've encountered. They study the Bible and teach like no other Christian church does. They serve in their religion without getting paid in all possible positions. They are leaders, teachers, counselors, bishops or music directors and don't get a penny for the hours of dedication and work. Mormons have a secular ministry - a fact that is not general knowledge. I've heard many times messages from the pulpits of other religions speaking ill of them and they say they're not Christians, and they don't go to heaven. I recently decided to attend one of his religious services near my house to see for myself. What a surprise! What I heard and saw was just the opposite of what the religious ministers of the time told me. I found a very simple service, no fanfare. I found a town with great sense of humor and a well balanced spiritual side. There was no high volume music. Just a simple service, with several members giving themselves short speeches. They urge their young people to be morally clean and live a good life. They teach the Gospel of Christ by example. His Church is officially called ′′ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." When I read his ′′ Book of Mormon ′′ I was also surprised to find just the opposite of what I was told I would find. Do you know of any cult that has an unparalleled welfare system in this country? They have farms, canned factories and cattle ranches to help those in need. The Mormon Church has donated millions of dollars to help rebuild the Baptist churches that were set on fire a few years ago. Tons of medical supplies donated to earthquake affected countries. Do you know any cult that urges its members to abide by the law, pay their taxes, serve in the military if asked and be a good Christian, living high moral values? Did you know that hundreds of thousands of young Mormons get out of bed before school time to attend religious training classes? They are hired by the FBI, State Department and Police Department inside because they are reliable. They are taught not to drink or use drugs. They're in the Secret Service - they're the ones who protect the President. They serve in senior leadership positions of both parties in Congress and Senate and have been governors of several different states of Utah. They serve with distinction and honor. If you have Mormons living nearby, you'll probably find they're your best friends and neighbors. They are Christians who try to live what they preach. They're not perfect and they're the first to admit it. You'll be surprised too. When I moved here twenty-five years ago there were five Mormon chapels in Santa Clarita now there are fifteen. They gotta be doing something right. Paul Allen, Santa Clarita, California

[@drewjameslaughlin]

Every time Alma was disarmed, he shifted to another talking point. Pastor Jeff is a gift. Thank you for your ministry!

[@Spidergaming011]

Disarmed of what, he’s not here to kill him

[@drewjameslaughlin]

@@Spidergaming011 His previous talking point.

[@senorbb2150]

Pastor Jeff just spoke over him virtually the whole time. Like always.

[@godswill2260]

@@senorbb2150”always” stop lying

[@thebestSteven]

Yes, true, and when Jeff was confronted about double predestination he did the same thing because Calvinists have no answer for it. Now, I'd be ok with a non answer, an IDK is perfectly fine when talking about this impossible to understand stuff, but he constantly deflects. "God predestined people to sin." "No, it's in their nature." "And who made their nature to be that of desiring sin?" "Well they chose to sin." "So they have freewill to choose good or evil?" "Let's look at this random bible story and walk through it for 10minutes instead of answering. See God used Joseph's situation for good despite his brothers intending evil." "But God had to know they were going to do that, so he predestined them to do it." "No, it was in their nature." "And who made their nature to be..."

[@nxesr]

I'm a newbie to Jeff Durbin and Jeff has really grown on me to know my stuff to learn and keep on learning. Thank lord for bringing Jeff Durbin bless you ❤️

[@tysonvslewis12]

Still don't understand how people accept calvanism

[@truth_merchant7839]

Beloved proceed cautiously concerning Mr. Durbin. He is sound in many things but his acceptance of the Calvinist systematic is not: can a Just God remain Just if he is the one who stops you from coming to faith and then sends you to hell?

[@tysonvslewis12]

@@truth_merchant7839 indeed he cannot

[@repentorperish1386]

@@truth_merchant7839 well thats not what calvinists believe. You're misrepresenting what we believe. But besides that was God just in destroying Pharoah?

[@truth_merchant7839]

@@repentorperish1386 Beloved feel free to clarify for me where i am in error concerning the calvinist systematic. God is perfect and Holy in all that he does, so yes God was just concerning Pharaoh. I assume you are aware of the term " judicial hardening". Where just like in the case of Pharaoh God strengthened the Jews in their preexisting disbelief to allow for the crucifixtion of Christ so that a new and better convenant would be offered to all men. God does not harden hearts to condemnation but rather to salvation. By hardening the already hardened heart of Pharaoh God was able to demonstrate to Pharaoh that he was greater than him and his Gods through the plagues (signs and wonders). So in reality Pharaoh was given more reason to come to faith by the hardening of his heart by God. You may then ask why Pharaoh didn't submit to God totally? Because like the heart surgeon God provides the means by which salvation is received but it is up to the patient to receive the procedure. The love of a Holy God does not allow him to become a spiritual rapist who forces salvation on us. He provides this gift and we choose to reject it or accept.😔🙏📖

[@saulgoodman6683]

The mormon gentleman is trying to win a debate. Jeff Durbin is trying to win a soul.

[@ricardopena1713]

@Dominic Orlandini you're right God does save. However when he said Jeff is trying to win a soul he didn't mean like win a soul for himself but for God. Jeff is trying to show the Mormon the truth and get him God for who he truly is .

[@ricardopena1713]

@Dominic OrlandiniOoh Haha I gotcha

[@jasonharkness2992]

Dominic Orlandini God saves thru the preaching of the gospel by his servants ie Gods people that is the means of how someone is saved

[@Johnrider1234]

Gary Lunsford there is no such thing. Jesus offers us eternal life with him on this planet

[@alexchavez3244]

That’s deep damn.

[@roychan7374]

23:17 Jeff: you don’t believe that God has always been God Alma: which God? Jeff: thank you 😂😂😂

[@anonymousmouse505]

Savage.

[@justinmcnaughton3016]

THAT WAS HUGE!!!!!!

[@mnp870]

God was ALWAYS GOD. !!!! Revelation : 22:13 God is the Alpha & Omega, beginning and end!!

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

And to think, I used to flat out reject reformed theology, because I simply didn’t understand it. We continue to grow in our understand daily, as the Holy Spirit reveals these things. May we never become haughty and self righteous.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

As what jeff do? I don't think so, jeff doesn't believe in the spirit.

[@thepossessor]

@@joeyfeliciano9199 why do you say that?

[@BillMorganChannel]

Kyle, could you please explain 2 Peter 3:9? Thank you and I ask in friendship.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

@@thepossessor Test every spirit, but jeff spirit is always a contentious one. I don't think a true God cause someone of his people to be contentious, except that someone has the spirit of the DEVIL.

[@gameandskate]

Joey Feliciano, Christ came to bring a sword of division, no? I see this man’s mannerisms to be divisive and corrective where necessary, which is the true nature of TRUTH!

[@HudsonAndersson]

I live in SLC, truly hope I get the opportunity to stumble across Jeff evangelizing downtown ✊🏻.

[@jonathancilla3954]

Is the majority of folks there devout morman?

[@zacharymonroe94]

Pastor Jeff, I’m a youth pastor and prospective church planter. Watching how you guys obey Gods word has really challenged my Amil perspective and my perspective of Christian ministry. Thanks for your ministry brother

[@BasedRedBeard]

Jeff's knowledge of Scripture references from memory is amazing.

[@bagofmarbles4712]

right, I'm inspired now to focus on memorizing more of the Bible!!

[@rodneysparks6442]

Hes very educated. You cant do this without knowledge of scripture and the early reformed church.

[@coreyriggs3877]

Truly amazing yes.Holy spirit is working thru him

[@thankfulready9400]

Not memory but studying and living the Word of God is what Jeff is doing. We all need to be studying to live for Him, Jesus Christ, not for ourselves me included.

[@inhocsignovinces1081]

Memorizing Scripture is half of it, the other half is to understand it. The Ethiopian Enuch travelled to Jerusalem with Old Testament scrolls and admitted he needed someone to explain it.

[@heathhowell5630]

Jeff I learn so much from watching you explain what the word of God means you know. God bless you my Brother.

[@abeldasilva90]

The patience that Jeff displays in this conversation is truly remarkable. I'm grateful for his ministry and God's power on his life to be able to handle himself in an exemplary way in tense and sometimes even hostile situations.

[@DavidSilva-sx7vs]

He has no patience. He constantly interrupts. He needs to re-read the Gospels to learn how to teach the way Jesus did.

[@DougWarner25]

@@DavidSilva-sx7vsbro what???🤦‍♂️

[@godswill2260]

@@DavidSilva-sx7vsstop lying and repent

[@brendakauffman2222]

@@DavidSilva-sx7vs Jeff isn't allowing Alma to constantly steer the conversation off course. Alma interrupts Jeff constantly, and Jeff steers the conversation back.

[@StarbuckJames]

One day my beard and God knowledge will be on this level.

[@neilshahzad9049]

Sir Douglas 😂👍🏽

[@jamgarza1]

He’s not a Mormon he’s got his own doctrine and he’s writing his own bible.

[@StarbuckJames]

Jose Garza Who?

[@jamgarza1]

Sir Douglas The guy that trolls your site.

[@Primatenate88]

Nobody cares how many scriptures you can quote. This whole video is babbling over semantics. Jesus H Christ Im surprised their heads dont explode with inflated ego.

[@bchadwick7]

Thank you for this display of Love, Joy, Peace, PATIENCE, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, and Self-control. It’s encouraging and instructive to see spiritual fruit amidst a frustrating conversation. Thank you Apologia!

[@dianefoster4472]

I couldn’t watch it all because of the high anxiety it caused watching

[@spartacusantipas4580]

Great Job Jeff ! This was one of your best teaching videos yet. May the LORD open that gentleman's eyes.

[@melissaculpepper7663]

Having some humility is anyone’s only hope of being saved.

[@doonsa]

"Alma, Alma, let me finish my thought! " Alma likes to argue!Jeff, you have the patience of a saint!

[@TimFabok]

Oh man, you've got an incredible amount of patience dealing with the topic hopscotch.

[@narmadaadikari6715]

The way he share the Gospel is very unique and different

[@misterteatime9617]

Ist is Jesus through him, Not his patience:)

[@dwrod24]

Durbin was born for this!! It was predetermined 💪🏽💪🏽

[@boogotti1173]

God gets the glory . Durbin had nuthin to do with it .. we are fallen creatures. Hallelujah the king is alive. ! JESUS.😁❤️🙏

[@StillProtesting]

God KNOWS all. He did not PREDESTINE it. Unless you believe God PREDESTINED us to sin... God predestined all of us to be with Him. Some people just chose, using their free will, to not accept it.

[@CaseySprenger]

@@StillProtesting Not the most Biblical interpretation

[@StillProtesting]

@@CaseySprenger Not what you agree with so it's not Biblical. I get it. Go ahead. Show your Biblical interpretation.

[@CaseySprenger]

@@StillProtesting my interpretation is john 6 john 10, Paul's preaching in Acts, romans 7-11, ephesians 1and2, among with many many other countless references to the elect and God's specific sovereign decree in the old and new T. Did Paul choose God? Did any of the 12? I'm not saying we're not given some measure of "free will" because God holds us responsible for our actions, but salvation is clearly a work of God alone not by our choice.

[@narmadaadikari6715]

Wow. He keeps on changing the question. Praying for those who are blinded and lost.

[@ChazBell]

This is so great to watch. I have a friend that is exactly like Alma, except instead of LDS, he’s just lost. This gives me hope to learn a way to be able to speak to him when we go from just normal breeze chatting to things of God.

[@TheEmoney321]

Jeff, I can not tell you how much these videos have helped me embrace apologetics and a deeper understanding of my faith. It has helped me learn how to communicate my beliefs in a logical and loving way, to be like Jesus, full of Grace and Truth. And it has not only helped me, but the 35 teens that attend my church's Student Ministry and the 2 college students going through Bible College at my church. Thank you for your service for God, and your defense of the Gospel. Keep it up brother!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Is God supernatural?

[@TheEmoney321]

@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Yes.

[@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388]

TheEmoney321 also watch cliffside community chapel Alaska pastor Stephen chronister. Deep insights into the Bible

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@TheEmoney321 Do we have a way to confirm the supernatural?

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 Which Bible? We don't even have a way to know what the original manuscripts contain, do you know why? Because we don't have any.

[@prmfirestorm0863]

Please keep doing these videos. They are helping people all over the world.

[@prmfirestorm0863]

@@unclegrandpa1378 Same here, around a year(ish) ago

[@sweetsue6177]

PrmFirestorm, true. Greetings from Slovenia!

[@prmfirestorm0863]

@@unclegrandpa1378 Amen

[@Ben-Murderin]

Take off your sunglasses, my goodness.

[@timsharpe6652]

@@Ben-Murderin 😂🤣🤣

[@Panther546]

Thank you brother Jeff! People please pray for this man Alma for he is lost, May he SOON find the one and only King of Kings, Lord, and Saviour Jesus Christ!

[@DChestHair]

I absolutely love your content. Thank you, dear brothers, for defending the faith that has been once and for all handed down to us. Keep fighting! You have greatly informed and inspired me! God bless and Godspeed.

[@jessegandy7361]

God has blessed Jeff with a patient, clear mind.

[@flosenk7048]

Being a street preacher you need a big patience because you'll meet different intolerant people holding their religiosity, overall we need the Spirit of GOD.

[@pietervanderweele7265]

Im half greek and a native speaker, and my hat goes off to Jeff, his accent in Greek is very accurate

[@iplayrunescape301]

I want to learn Greek.

[@trey7772]

Γεια σού.

[@rollmops3113]

I'm half Greek (my father), but I can't speak it. I wish I could

[@repentorperish1386]

@@iplayrunescape301 basics of biblical greek. Is a good starting place and you can learn it with some help from youtube and that book

[@rr637]

Pastor Jeff's ability to quote versus and passages from scripture from memory it is Amazing. He truly seems that he did his homework in on scripture, topics and different religions.

[@LearningJesus]

“You say the exact same thing to everybody” Yes, he does, because he’s consistent with the Bible and what he is preaching to everybody. Consistency is everything in an argument/debate and Jeff is never swaying in his consistency. Thats the Holy Spirit leading that man!

[@delaremnant4317]

To calmly refute things that aren’t truth, without emotion, exposing the deception, with love, in appropriate timing, is truly a gift of God brother. My prayer will be to ask for the Lord to raise up more men with this gift in our day. I currently don’t have this gift to but I pray he will allow me to discern any gifts he has given to me and grant me the grace to be urged to use it/them for the Kingdom as he sees fit. I sense a degree of shame for not thinking about asking for this discernment more diligently in the past. If he grants me to be a doorkeeper I just want to be faithful. If he grants me to be a good apologist, I just want to be faithful. I just want to be faithful. Please pray for me.

[@no_name4769]

Jeff, I had a hard time watching this out of sheer impatience. God bless you for the work you and Apologia Studios are doing. Prayers.

[@Nicholas-xn7mn]

i was just about to say the same thing...... Pastor Jeff's patience is on a whole different level

[@botkillerfpv4318]

That first dude cares more about being right than he does learning the truth. This channel is freakin awesome.

[@igobydubri]

The biggest SMH on this side of eternity is that; and being offended by the truth of God

[@manda49349]

Actually he’s asking Jeff very valid questions that Jeff never answers and actually refuses to answer by evading with acting like it’s not on topic

[@botkillerfpv4318]

@@manda49349 🤣

[@ReligiousG]

I would tend to agree. He did, clearly, keep objecting to pretty much everything Jeff was telling him. I even heard him say "I don't take your interpretation." That says it, right there.

[@Lastchance2030]

you are correct they don't want to know the truth. But unfortunately for Alma, he will go home and have heaping coals on his head because he just doesn't want to acknowledge the truth and it will eat him up in the same way it happened to Judas of Iscariot.

[@reygonzalez6378]

Pastor Jeff has the patience I pray I can have one day. To put up with such ignorance is incredible! Preach on brother!

[@melissaculpepper7663]

Me, too, Lord! Help my brothers and sisters to become this equipped for being “ready to give an answer”.

[@nute742]

We would all have to have patience (from what Durban) put that poor guy through (especially in front of his own church). Not sure what he (durban) was there to do. He seemed to go down a rabbit hole of trying to define words and definitions (and no matter what the other guy said) he disagreed) to make himself look like some knowledge preacher.

[@otallono]

@@nute742 Your guy you defend said multiple times "How do we know what the bible says is true?" He might as well be atheist. And Jeff does not need to "seem" more knowledgable, it's extremely obvious that he is. He can cite any part of the bible and tell where he's getting his knowledge from, his opponent cannot. But we know the mormon admits he doesn't even necessarily believe in the bible or at least parts of it, He admits he is doing what he wants, so... I don't even need to mention his shady debate tactics. But yea.. poor guy.

[@nute742]

​@@otallono I just think that Jeff is going onto other peoples turf (or religious setting) and trying to disagree with anything someone would say. Like a wolf among unsuspecting lambs. Lambs don't go looking for wolves though. (even if the wolves has good intentions and needs to eat, lol). Everyone has their "own opinion" of the bible so one can't really defend something that differs from others bible opinion (unless one has particular authority and knowledge from god to do so). Thus why we have so many sects today. However I think christians in general need to stick together (having common ground in christ and the basics) They should probably witness more to non christians too. Okay food for thought at least and god bless :)

[@FlockOfYahweh]

You have to train that impulse feeling too not backfire, even if he could accept it, he couldn’t fully understand or grasp until God removes the chain from their eyes. I struggled with trinity belief for too long, i finally got it, it’s how Jeff says. I believe unless God removes the chain, i cant get frustrated, i have to keep faithfully being patient, gentle, kind, focus on your fruit.

[@Apol-los]

I learn how to debate by listening to Jeff "refute every thought that would seek to come against the Knowledge of God."

[@cydneyb707]

Same! Super helpful!

[@timspangler2154]

I agree Jeff is one of the best

[@jesusisking4745]

Totally agree

[@kylebraby2357]

If he preaches predetermination he does not preach God or God’s word... and if he does it is a misinterpretation of God’s word. Having a plan and giving prophecy of what He (God) sees because He is all knowing is much different than saying God has predetermined who will be saved or who goes to hell before anyone was born. God is no respecter of persons... to pick and choose who He wants to save is to be a respecter of persons. Sad... takes one bible verse to shut down this preacher

[@Apol-los]

Very interesting. So how is God being "A Respecter of Persons" when He changes the mind of a rebellious human who has no desire to serve Him? Did Paul have a mental breakdown when he joined the Nazarene cult? It seems to me that he very much did enjoy his crusades for the House of Judah as he watched the clothes of those who stoned Stephen.

[@andrewkiefer1267]

The quality of their theology is perfectly represented by their beards

[@BenchPresaPower]

Andrew Kiefer that’ll be “Long , bushy and Ginger”. Oh and stylin lol 😂

[@Charzilian]

how so? I would argue that you would have to look at the writings in order to come to a conclusion for the quality of their theology.

[@BenchPresaPower]

coomer I’m talking about the beards only, english dry humour I’m afraid

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

Their beards shows they are smell like goats.LOL

[@craigaparton5545]

Oops you forgot a period. I Wonder if you should be judged by grammatical insufficiencies - of course not. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits and how they love one another right? I wish above all things that you prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers. Jesus love one another right!!!

[@bethanykmyers]

Jeff, your patience is admirable! Thanks for your work in this area!!

[@stefan.vincent]

We're praying for you Pastor Jeff as you continually draw truth and wisdom as sustenance from the Word of God. Godly, Spirit-led men like you and your team need continual prayer because you are on the front lines; teaching us how to do the same. Bless you brother and may the Spirit of God lead you wherever you go.

[@slickcross]

I love how he breaks the Bible down for this guy. I hope the Lord opens his eyes and repents.

[@coveredinblood827]

Repentance is a gift from God lets pray for this men

[@fayelewis5476]

@@goingtothetop55 Jesus said, "Follow Me." The Bible clearly states that God the Father was never once a man and came from another planet and because he was a really good guy he got to be God somehow. Who makes this stuff up? Such heretofore outrageous blasphemy that even a child would know is fake. God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333). God resides near a star called Kolob, (Pearl of Great Price, p. 34-35; Mormon Doctrine, p. 428). Eternity is a long time to be wrong.

[@j.huffhumble4281]

Faye Lewis hi Faye 😊🙏🏼 Actually the Bible says we were created in God’s image ..it’s pretty vague after that .......

[@fayelewis5476]

@@j.huffhumble4281 Having the “image” or “likeness” of God means, in the simplest terms, that we were made to resemble God. Adam did not resemble God in the sense of God’s having flesh and blood. Scripture says that “God is spirit” (John 4:24) and therefore exists without a body. However, Adam’s body did mirror the life of God insofar as it was created in perfect health and was not subject to death. The image of God (Latin: imago dei) refers to the immaterial part of humanity. It sets human beings apart from the animal world, fits them for the dominion God intended them to have over the earth (Genesis 1:28), and enables them to commune with their Maker. It is a likeness mentally, morally, and socially. Mentally, humanity was created as a rational, volitional agent. In other words, human beings can reason and choose. This is a reflection of God’s intellect and freedom. Anytime someone invents a machine, writes a book, paints a landscape, enjoys a symphony, calculates a sum, or names a pet, he or she is proclaiming the fact that we are made in God’s image. Morally, humanity was created in righteousness and perfect innocence, a reflection of God’s holiness. God saw all He had made (humanity included) and called it “very good” (Genesis 1:31). Our conscience or “moral compass” is a vestige of that original state. Whenever someone writes a law, recoils from evil, praises good behavior, or feels guilty, he or she is confirming the fact that we are made in God’s own image. Socially, humanity was created for fellowship. This reflects God's triune nature and His love. In Eden, humanity’s primary relationship was with God (Genesis 3:8 implies fellowship with God), and God made the first woman because “it is not good for the man to be alone” (Genesis 2:18). Every time someone marries, makes a friend, hugs a child, or attends church, he or she is demonstrating the fact that we are made in the likeness of God. Part of being made in God’s image is that Adam had the capacity to make free choices. God bless you.

[@jeffreystern5886]

What if he repents and becomes seventh day Adventist?

[@peteryang2067]

The amount of patience given by Pastor Jeff to all the interruptions and still being able to keep his train of thought is astounding 🙏🙏💪💪 Praise Be To God.

[@timwinn5834]

Yeah, the rabbit hole stuff kills me, and Durbin and White handle that stuff great! I don't know how they do it. It frustrates me to no end. Some of these people make me want to beat my head against a wall.

[@timwinn5834]

@@H.T.2forever You don't think that's a strawman? Are you saying that Christ is not God? If you're not, then what's the point? I don't understand the relevance of your issue with them, to be honest. According to all that you just said, what does that actually mean? Like, what is the relevance? If you are indeed correct, why is it important to make that distinction? I'm honestly not trying to be hostile in any way. I'm genuinely curious.

[@timwinn5834]

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[@timwinn5834]

@@H.T.2forever ^^^

[@jillianshene2815]

God's servant, if God is for you no one can go against.

[@BethyTank]

My heart goes out to this man. Even genuine followers of Jesus argue this. There was a time in my walk with Jesus when I didn’t understand reformed theology. During that season, I was trying to reconcile things in my human mind that can’t be reconciled. It comes down to the fact that we can not argue with scripture says even when it doesn’t make sense in our finite minds. Untimely it comes down to faith and believing God’s word even if we don’t fully understand. Yes we have a will but yes God is sovereign. It’s tough. We all need to walk in the humility of God’s saving grace.

[@protruth1]

According to scripture, God will not violate the will of man concerning salvation. there are a plethora of (if's) in the bible that are completely under our autonomous control and we are held accountable for our choices because those choices are ours.

[@repentorperish1386]

I had this same thing happen. It took about 8 months of reading and watching and reading the bible and i finally just sat down and said ok im going to open romans and see what it says and when i read it trying to just see what the text says i realized calvinism is biblical

[@protruth1]

@@repentorperish1386 calvinism is anything but biblical. to believe God has prechosen who will be saved is to deny every IF given by God to man in scripture. salvation requires the surrender of your will to God which man has full control of. Your screen name alone exhibits the fact you do not believe in Calvinism.

[@repentorperish1386]

@@protruth1 except paul said man isnt able

[@protruth1]

@@repentorperish1386 isnt able to do what?? make a decision for Christ? if that is what you are claiming that is wholly not supported by scripture.

[@hindsy3472]

Dude Jeff has the memory of an Elephant, I wish I had that to help support my own apologetic debates with friends and family. What a superpower 👍🏼

[@Jonathan-gm9hy]

First time watching. Love this as a former atheist, turned Mormon, later truly saved by the grace of God. By grace God came down and became man and suffered for our sin. Mormonism teaches by grace MAN can ascend and become a god (lower case g). Not the same thing. That’s is the teaching of the serpent in the garden as he was beguiling Eve. Deuteronomy 18 teaches a prophet of God cannot miss on one single prophecy. There are many in Mormonism. Even claims of people living on the moon dressing like Quaker’s from Joseph Smith (not to mention he boasted about being better than Jesus at holding the church together in volume 6 of the church history) to people living on the sun by Brigham young. I spent many years in Mormonism and I thank God daily for opening my eyes.

[@j.huffhumble4281]

Jonathan Strickland come on now You can plainly and easily see that the LDS brother has about a 25 second attention span and zero theological narratives to work with While jeff aside from Dr. James White is probably top of the food chain in reformed Calvinism and linguistics!!!! Not even a fair analogy Not by a long Long looooong shot !!!!

[@Lystra14]

Are you still a mormon?

[@Jonathan-gm9hy]

Lystra Lewis no I’ve been out of it for quiet a few years now.

[@Jonathan-gm9hy]

J. Huff Humble unless your a Mormon and defending that religion I’m not sure what your argument is here. I thank God daily for delivering me out of that mess.

[@j.huffhumble4281]

Jonathan Strickland I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ! I’m not offended by the slang term Mormon though 😊 But I was raised baptist and catholic as well So I guess I’m a born again catholic Mormon

[@daddyweave72]

This man has a fierce passion for the Kingdom of God. Jeff is more patient than I would be

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

Jeff is a hero anf it's a big joke.LOL

[@BDCsSanctuary]

This is probably one of the best debates I've watched concerning predestination. Terrific.

[@andrewtaylor1737]

Joke at best

[@StillProtesting]

God predestined all of us to be with Him. Our free will gives us the choice to accept Him or not.

[@JamesSmith-gk8sz]

One of the most terrifying yet gratifying things we can do as humans, especially Christians, is to stop and ask ourselves, "Could I be wrong?". Proverbs 11: 2 " When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom. "

[@ScottEbruh]

Awesome video Apologia! I must say that Jeff is swagged out in this vid with the jacket and the shades! 👍🏽💯

[@davidbermudez7704]

Nothing but pride from Almas “For God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble”

[@palerity6320]

@Martin England John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

[@jameskilgore8422]

These types of videos have been so edifying to me since my being born again in the Spirit. I really had felt compassion for Alma. I pray that the Lord opens Alma's eyes and ears. This video is a blessing from God for sure. Praise be to the Most High! Thank you all!

[@TheSkiddum]

Amen

[@rdub907]

“I give you my oath before God, you did no such thing” That was awesome.

[@ericb.1384]

17:37 Time stamp for quote

[@keepthechange2811]

Yeah but it was folly. Let your Yes be Yes and No be No. Swear not by God or anything else.

[@primepossum6997]

​@@keepthechange2811correct. He employed a legalistic tactic by not swearing in God's name, but invoking Him as a witness. I expect better from Jeff, he is usually very sound with his scripture

[@keepthechange2811]

@Primepossum69 Usually but he is a trinitarian after all.

[@primepossum6997]

@@keepthechange2811 I am also a Trinitarian and take no oaths in the name of the Lord

[@christopherjordan6237]

This guy is all over the place, respect for talking as long as he did and respectfully, God bless him with wisdom knowledge and understanding.

[@PackOnTrackDogTraining]

I like Alma. His arguments fall flat and he is forced into questioning the reliability of scripture and of Paul. But I like that he is not offended easily with all the home runs Jeff was hitting

[@travis6694]

The home run comment doesn’t sit easy, it’s not about crushing them with truth. that seems like a fowl attitude to a lost soul. Let’s pray for him and have sorrow and hope a seed was planted.

[@lesliebee8918]

I liked Alma too.

[@travis6694]

New York to UK thank you brother, I am glad some are encouraged like you have been.

[@PackOnTrackDogTraining]

You focused on 1 term I used and missed the embodiment and nature of the comment which can be summarized as easy as this "Alma was a sincere and kind person who I liked and had a great exchange in light of the STRONG POINTS Jeff made in objection" Nit picking to elevate oneself as having a greater sense of humility but missing the overall point of the comment. I am not surprised.

[@travis6694]

New York to UK I’m sorry, sister haha 😊

[@KristinHale]

I am getting frustrated at the guy constantly interrupting a response, and I wasn't even present. LOL. You have more Grace than I would have.

[@BK-yz7px]

jay kay That’s because Jeff knows his Calvinism would get exposed when pushed. Typical Calvinist who insists on controlling the conversation.

[@BK-yz7px]

jay kay The dude continues to crawfish from Calvinism when challenged.

[@BK-yz7px]

jay kay I see it all the time with men like Jeff Durbin and James White. They’re over here in theological discussions with other believers saying one thing about Calvinism and then over here saying something completely different to those outside the faith. It’s bad when even the Mormons recognize it. Calvinists actually have to practically live out life as though they were Arminian or some other non-Calvinistic system because if they actually lived out Calvinism in the real world they would be labeled hyper-Calvinists. But, people continue to keep their heads in the sand in this issue. Calvinists are simply walking contradictions that fall on the “it’s a mystery” excuse as a crutch. Umm, no. There’s a reason why Calvinistic beliefs didn’t exist in the church at all until almost 400 years after Christ through a man (Augustine) highly influenced by Gnosticism and Stoicism. And then those teachings really didn’t really catch on until another 1,000+ years later by a man (John Calvin) who ignored how the original, orthodox Christians interpreted the Scriptures. That’s just objective historical FACTS. The handful of men (such as Gottschalk) in those 1,000 years who taught anything close to what Calvinism is today were rightly condemned as heretics.

[@BK-yz7px]

jay kay You suddenly change the subject, and it’s not that important to you once confronted with facts. I see how that goes. And yes I evangelize often and don’t have to lie when I evangelize. My systematic theology matches my practical theology, unlike with Calvinism.

[@BK-yz7px]

jay kay I made my comments because the Mormon is challenging Jeff in his Calvinism the same way Jeff is challenging the Mormon in his Mormonism. But like a typical Calvinist, Jeff has to control the conversation. Why doesn’t Jeff just deal with his beliefs, just like he does when discussing systematic theology with other believers. He says one thing there and a another when dealing with non-believers, often actually dodging and abandoning his belief system. James White, Al Mohler, and John Piper do this very same thing. If you can’t actually live out Calvinism and have to speak and live another way than how you really believe, that’s a problem. It’s dishonesty. I don’t know how you can’t see that. And you can sit there and say it doesn’t matter, but if Calvinism is not correct - as I thoroughly believe it isn’t based on actually being a Berean about the issue - then you have a bunch of Christians completely misrepresenting the character of God. It’s interesting how Calvinists will often start the fight with non-Calvinists, and when non-Calvinists push back the Calvinist suddenly starts accusing the non-Calvinist of making a big deal about it. Well, tell your fellow Calvinists to stop going out and attacking non-Calvinists. I only started digging into this issue when Calvinists were in my face telling me I was believing a false gospel. And I bet if you ask any outspoken non-Calvinist when they first got involved in the debate, it would be that a Calvinist challenged them first. And furthermore, the Calvinism vs. Arminianism dynamic is a false dichotomy. Arminianism is merely Reformed Calvinism because Arminius was a Calvinist and corrected what he thought were errors but came from a Calvinistic/Augustinian premise. Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism was taught amongst the original, orthodox Christians. Even the Lutherans, who came straight out of the same Reformation as the Calvinists, reject both Calvinism and Arminianism. All it takes is a little bit of research to see that Calvinism paints a false and unorthodox view of God and came straight from Gnostic and Stoic influences. And neither you or anyone is going to convince me to not speak up on what I believe is unbiblical.

[@mikhailyaremkiv]

I hate to have to say this, but this dialogue was the best representation of "pearls before swine" I have ever seen.

[@karllsauter]

I feel like I just watched the skit, "who's on first what's on second".

[@benjaminmoss4378]

this video was so epic to watch. Very encouraged by Jeffs knowledge of the scriptures and passion for the gospel! Jesus is Lord!

[@frankgarcia4793]

Benjamin Moss same here. Hearing God’s truth is either two things, His grace to open your eyes, or His judgement turning you over to your sin. The wages of sin being death!

[@TryStone9897]

Jeff can whip some tail with MMA and with logical debate. What a legend.

[@geoffreypalmer2661]

more like what an asshole

[@manda49349]

I would hope he came not to “whip some tail” but to share the Gospel and hopefully see people brought out of a false gospel and cult. But instead he just belittles and talks smart and seeks to win an argument rather than a soul.

[@jcost8112]

God in His sovereignty is always able to act. I have no problem seeing that God through His sovereignty gave free will. Which is actually a greater miracle that He works His will inspire of our free will.

[@Angelia-ve6wb]

NOOOOOOO!!!!! I WANT MORE!!!!! 😭😭😭 I COULD LISTEN TO THESE ALL DAY!!! THANKS FOR THE UPLOAD 😁 CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU GUYS IN A FEW DAYS 😀 WHOOP WHOOP!!!

[@gladiator8325]

Melina Boyle just be careful of Jeff’s Calvinistic theology

[@eliaszuniga3385]

Melina you are so beautiful.

[@Apokalypsiis]

@@gladiator8325 what’s wrong with it? Do you believe God is not sovereign?

[@gladiator8325]

@@Apokalypsiis Sovereign enough to give man his own autonomous free will.

[@Apokalypsiis]

@@gladiator8325 define sovereign..

[@jimnova6617]

I have to say, Jeff always has some cool sunglasses

[@Lambdamale.]

Those are his Bono starter kit specs lol

[@randyrussell6246]

I have to say everything about Jeff is Cool !

[@andrewtaylor1737]

@@Lambdamale. hA

[@heylookacar]

I feel like we all entered this argument halfway through

[@jimilahall77]

I think that it's a disagreement that is being continued from their page or other social media outlets. That's why Jeff keeps saying that he was banned.

[@riadelapena7180]

"can you drop the Bible for a minute?' this is really coming from a Mormon that says they follow Jesus, but want to deny His original Word LOL

[@j.d.b.pennamesonofharraant3367]

👍

[@joeabers9080]

Jeff handling it like a champ and the way he keeps on track! Awesome!

[@kjvjay]

It is Written, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but the GIFT OF GOD is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” (Romans 6:23) “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (I John 1: 8)

[@mattbrdn]

True, but it's also written that 'when the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea' Sadly, there is no such thing as a seagull. I am confused and adrift.

[@ivorymars3845]

Leighton vs Jeff would be so fun to watch!

[@6.0hhh]

@Kevin Johnson Wilkins badly misrepresented White. White kept calling him out on it. And White made a very good point that the position Wilkins takes doesn't allow him to be able to identify people who falsely profess faith. Yes, Calvinist can have assurance. White brought that up as well, in 1 John. He did multiple times. The problem with that debate was that there wasn't a cross-examination. That needed to take place.

[@ZacSladePants]

Idk, I was pretty contented with the Flowers/White debate; I can't imagine it would be much better than that.

[@Ezibezii]

moved to utah from pennsylvania in feburary never even knew was lds was and all i have to say is thank you so much for the amazing work you're doing!

[@chadedwards7037]

Sadly this is how the bulk of mormons argue for their faith. It is very chaotic and is steeped in confusion. This man is seriously disturbed, and he kept crossing his arms which means he is closing himself off. He most likely uses his physical size to try and intimidate and impose himself on others. Jeff you are a class act.

[@robinworkman3621]

It's interesting. Satan has always attacked the word of GOD. In order for a deception to work, it has to have some truth. They don't struggle with the truth, they struggle with the part that has been twisted.its engrained In Them. They are also taught not to read anything that isn't approved by the church.

[@vi683a]

I can use Physicality to misrepresent and sidetrack you.

[@chadedwards7037]

2 years later you respond, cheers mate

[@vi683a]

​@@chadedwards7037 so

[@Pj_Samoan]

Jeff you are absolutely God driven and motivate me to do the same. Bless you brother!

[@tonyrobbins6338]

Right, Norman. You go ahead and do the same, and you will quickly discover that pedantic displays of personal knowledge do not persuade anyone. Do you honestly believe that this Mormon fellow went away convinced of anything? Of course not. Jeff rhetorically shit on him, made him feel stupid and then walked away preening and patting himself on the back for being so smart. And nothing else was accomplish. I promise you that this Mormon guy did not go home and say, "hmm, I think that guy was right." If your goal is to actually persuade people, then you need to drop this ideal that Jeff's "debate" method is "God driven." If you decide to adopt Jeff's method, you will quickly learn that all it does is shut people down and push them away.

[@palerity6320]

@@tonyrobbins6338 Again, knowledge doesn't persuade anyone, the Gospel does. Repent and believe the Gospel.

[@Katt19941]

Jeff patience and love is amazing! Praying for Alma to come to know The True Gospel of The Bible! He becomes a Born-Again Christian!

[@lumanate1493]

Katt19941 what is the true gospel? After all the Protestant movement now has over 1000 churches with some degree of variation to date? If the true gospel is one based off Martin Luther (a blatant anti-semite) and Calvin (a crazy person who burned people) then it’s yourself you should pray for.

[@palerity6320]

@@lumanate1493 John 6:35-51 from Jesus Himself.

[@lumanate1493]

Palerity but that is total bullshit. Jesus said he is the truth yet we have *3000 thank you Jeffrey Stern^ churches saying different things. This is what protestants ALWAYS do they claim they are the true church cause they got in from Christ himself yet most of what they believe is more of how Luther and Calvin interpreted what Christ said. Don’t pretend like there aint a middle man in this equation.

[@lumanate1493]

Jeffrey Stern amen. Religion is 99% bullshit. Thats not to say everyone should be atheist. I personally believe in God but I don’t buy that some guy is somehow a middle man to God and he can give you the truth but you have to give him 10% of your income. If this was a timeshare everyone would be calling it a scam.

[@CyprusHot]

He should debate more Muslims

[@jcost8112]

The Joseph story definitely is an example of how God's sovereignty works with man's free will.

[@thekid26000]

I've watched MANY of your vids in the last 2 weeks and it's amazing how they interrupt you and become time hogs to make their points! AMAZING!!!

[@nanq.5689]

The number of times I had to physically pause and stop the video, and just breathe... i am definitely not as patient as Jeff.

[@tailayne6418]

So true. The chemistry reaction in my brain waves made me stop at 5mins. Although, I prayed God's seed would now grow in Elma's friend.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

@Saved by his grace *G2G* No, he didn't, agree in a lie and you are not a bit different but only a liar.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

@Saved by his grace *G2G* 3:51 "Do you agree with jesus", that's what stupid Durbin says

[@markrymanowski719]

He was not patient. He was butting in all the time. Bully boy tactics. And that tactic makes it difficult for us to have a clear understanding on points of scripture.

[@davidjordan393]

Really, patient? In what world is insulting someone and telling them what they think and believe being patient. I think this is perfect example of having all the right answers and saying them all the wrong way. This guy had 0% of conversion and it had nothing do to with what he said and everything to do with how he said it.

[@joshuas.9085]

Honestly though why do mormons even consider Joseph Smith to be a prophet when he had a clear history of conning people? Even the egyptian scrolls he "translated" wasn't truly translated as it was actually a part of the book of the dead.

[@bobtiger3558]

I was in five years and info is very controlled No Temple going Mormon is ever going to search for any bad info on bro Joseph , you are suppose to use only church resources for research the internet is considered anti Mormon

[@gladiator8325]

Josh Shumsker because some people like religion and other people have a love for the truth

[@gladiator8325]

bob tiger I’ll Cults work that way

[@gladiator8325]

Aluminum Antennae Joseph Smith wasn’t a prophet

[@gladiator8325]

Aluminum Antennae Actually that is incorrect. The only kind of profit Joseph Smith could be according to the Bible is a false prophet. He made prophecies that didn’t come to pass. That is by the biblical definition of false prophet.

[@pysq8]

I struggled with some of these same points about "why are we born in sin?," & I praise YHWH for His gentle correction and inspiring teachers to share fundamentals of His Word, in such a fallen world where so many voices speak lies and confusion.

[@Intelligent_Critic]

It's simple, because of choice. If I choose to have an adulterous affair on my wife and get the mistress pregnant, My choice, my will, was to sin, and can result in the mistress getting pregnant, Which would mean that child will be born out of sin of his father. Wr have the will to work and do actions outside of God's will. Anymore questions?

[@TheSkiddum]

Jeff your awesome. I'd love to chat with you because I Live here in Utah. I came out of Mormonism and watching your videos helped me learn who God is and why I need him. I just got done reading the Bible front to back the hole way through. Now I'm going back through it and studying each chapter and really getting into it with HEAR from the CSB.

[@jjmanning7087]

I'm sorry that's been a bad experience for you. Send me a message and let's chat! I think it's a shame when anyone thinks of the Church of Jesus Christ and has negative thoughts. It's such a great religion, honestly!

[@solangesmusic.1877]

Praise God for your coming out of Mormonism to a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus as He is revealed in the Bible!

[@TheSkiddum]

@@jjmanning7087 I'd be more than happy to chat.

[@TheSkiddum]

@@jjmanning7087 I would love to chat with you about this. But its not really a bad experience. And i don't harbor any bad feeling or anything else against the LDS people at all. To set this in perspective my wife is an LDS member. And my newborn son has had his blessing. not my idea I'll admit. My wife and father wanted it and because they wanted to do it and I love them and my son and I want to show him a unified family I didn't oppose it. The bible says to honor thy father and mother. My dad wanted it so i honored him. And my wife wanted it so i honored what they wanted and there beliefs. Most my friends are LDS. Thats literally how much I don't harbor any ill will or bad feelings against the LDS.

[@TheSkiddum]

@@solangesmusic.1877 thank you. Its been amazing. Once God really touches someone there is no way to deny him. And ever since then he has shown me nonstop that he is sovereign and extremely Gracious. We have a 6 month old son as of today. But ever since he was born and before then he has literally done so much to help us out and make sure we get through everything and are able to take care of him. Its been a struggle but every single time things have gotten hard he steps in and shows me that he's got this. And makes sure that we are ok. I needed a Good job. He gets me a Job at a place I've always wanted to work at. Were having issues with bills. Someone steps in and takes care of that bill. We need food. And someone shows up out of the blue completely and hands us tons of food. Its been amazing and Im super blessed to know him and that he has shown me his grace.

[@douglasreed9032]

Pastor Jeff is so patient with him. Thank you Aplolgia for helping to prepare us to make a defense to anyone who asks for the hope that is in us; with gentleness and respect,

[@aceblade]

32:39 Alma: "It's fun to argue." It's not fun to listen to and watch.

[@davidhenry9729]

aceblade but yet, i can’t stop watching, for being in awe of Jeff’s patience.

[@JeffNormanMusic]

“Why am I blocked” Proceeds to do nothing but interrupt, talk over, and only listen for his perception of traps the entire time. Bless Durbin for his patience

[@TinkerPrepper]

I am praying for you Alma for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes to the Truth.

[@truthseeker1321]

I'm sure he will appreciate your prayers. I'm sure he is praying the same thing for you.

[@DMalltheway]

I need to know what is your evidence to support the notion the Holy Spirit is the answer to the truth?

[@Charzilian]

I've had the holy spirit before. Turns out it was just an emotional response to the deep seeded indoctrination I was given. Feelings do not equal truth.

[@gladiator8325]

In Jeff’s theology your prayers are worthless. And Jeff’s theology God is already predetermined I found was going to go to heaven or hell or understand or not.

[@Mellownius]

coomer no sir you had an emotional response to deep seated indoctrination not even close to the spirit .... my sheep hear my voice re read the book of John concerting the HS ....

[@natancesan]

Durbin is a pretty smart guy, building wisdom with time. Keep up the quality work in the fields. Thank you.

[@perttisuorsa4678]

I do not think that he is smart guy if he believes that God has predestined some people to heaven and others to an everlasting hell.

[@willarthur3888]

Almas friend actually seemed to be listening with an open mind

[@TheMotivationFallacy]

We have free will..... AND God knows what we will choose.... because he is all knowing. Simple.

[@contendforthefaith1178]

"So now I need God to unfall me?" Yes! Yes, you do...that's the entire point!

[@christusomnipotens3751]

By George he's got it

[@codymarkley8372]

He is wearing a dickies fedora. Theres the problem. Get behind me dickies fedora.

[@paulnelson6430]

Cody Markley That’s funny! Good one.

[@joebartholomew82]

guys all over the map. Also he's using diversion tactics to avoid truth.

[@exclusive_148]

Jeff is on another level. Hes really solid and very consistent.

[@JRCOWBOY78]

Jeff is awesome , God has anointed this man👏🏼

[@juliodelatorre3198]

Or... it's all bullshit. Both sides

[@juliodelatorre3198]

Think about it. The church doesn't let you think though. Free yourself from the church

[@JRCOWBOY78]

@@juliodelatorre3198 what? Free will is having a choice why do you think God didn't command us all to follow him? Why didn't he make us love him? Because he wants us to make that choice by seeing, and believing, and falling in love with him and what his son did on the cross. It's hard to know what truth looks like when you have lived a lie your whole life, but my friend it's possible... God bless you as well!🙏

[@juliodelatorre3198]

@@JRCOWBOY78 I have a choice to follow a god balls to the wall, or not and suffer eternal damnation. I had a girlfriend who would get pissed off if I received a text or went out for a couple of hours. She was very controlling and suffocating. She wanted me to love her, balls to the wall, or suffer eternal damnation. The best thing I ever did was end the relationship. I was also a balls to the wall Christian. Best thing I did was let that shit go. Eventually, it made no sense

[@JRCOWBOY78]

@@juliodelatorre3198 yeah I get it boss. There are some Christians who try to drill God's love into you you ( their intentions are mean well) it doesn't have the effect or outcome it's supposed to. The intention is to feel God's love on your own, since it's a personal relationship with God. I don't know you bro but care for where you will spend eternity. I too came from a sketch life where I grew up in church (even went to a Christian school) then when I was 18 I bounced out. Drank, partied and in the end I never felt 💯. After all the girls were gone and room was quiet I would feel like there was more than just what I thought this life was. So I started to go to to a church on my own that seemed aight lol. I thought, "let me see if there's really something to this." Bro It really helped me see what was missing. So in short your right "balls to the wall" in any direction is your own prerogative and your very own choice. But just say if he'll is real and heaven is real, then wouldn't you error on the side of caution and give God a try? Just know there's a guy in Arizona praying for Julio De La Torre👍🏽

[@johnsonmgb]

I am not sure how Jeff does this. That guy is all over the place. Can't he pick a subject and stick to it instead of changing it when he realizes he can't answer anything. Pastor Jeff I admire how you handle this. Love your videos.

[@binmyrtmind]

Jeff uses the same few verses for each point and twists what mormons believe trying to do nothing more than argue. Its all a very superficial theory when all is said and done . He never talks to another theologian just unprepared people. What a farce

[@binmyrtmind]

Nobody stands a chance according to Calvinists so why argue theology? Its all predetermined. I guess Alma is predestined to be a Mormon.

[@TheShodan92]

Yes Brian Johnson , Jeff Durbin remains focused on the subject and not flip flopping like the Mormon Apologist. Quite the standard Mormon practice since the God of Mormonism is a huge flip flopper himself.

[@leifleifsen8913]

If it’s not taught through the spirit it’s not of God. The spirit can’t dwell in contention. Your methods aren’t effective in the spreading of gods truth.

[@hawknives]

You must be Born Again, in order to understand The Lord God and HIS Tri Unity. The Lord God has to reveal it to you. You will come by it, NO other way......All you have to do is ask The Lord God, to reveal HIMSELF to you.....and He Will. Christ Bless!

[@kylebraby2357]

Goes back to the point made in the video- so what if a Jew or Muslim says God has revealed this truth to them... you’d say they are wrong??

[@hawknives]

Kyle Braby TRUTH based on what information? In accordance with Spiritual things?

[@gregogrady8027]

A few of my notes on verses quoted by Jeff in this exchange. Hope this is helpful to others following along. John, chapter 8 verse 34 "Whoever commits sin is a slave of sin" Deuteronomy 13 verses 1-5 "If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'-which you have not known-'and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst." Deuteronomy 18 verses 20-22 "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'-when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him." John 14 verse 6 "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" 9:43 Isaiah 46 verse 10 (verse not stated) "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure.'" 14:11 Psalm 90 verse 2 in the Old Testament of the Bible, reads as follows (in the New King James Version): "Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God." (This verse uses "אַתָּה אֵֽל" (atah El) translates to "You are God." "Elohim" is a Hebrew word commonly used in the Bible to refer to God, but it does not specifically appear in Psalm 90:2.) 19:15 John 17 verse 5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." 21:03 Isaiah 42 verse 8 (Chapter and Verse not quoted) "I am the LORD, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images." 22:37 John chapter 1 verse 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." 33:44 Ecclesiastes 7 verse 29? (No chapter or verse quotes merely referenced later more specifically quoted at 41:51) "See, this alone I found, that God made man upright, but they have sought out many schemes." 39:42 Romans Chapter 3 verse 23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." 43:06 (quote not cited could be either of the following two verses) 1 John 3 verse 20 "For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things." Psalm 147 verse 5 "Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite." Romans chapter 4 and James chapter 2 summary review of Abraham in relation to Jesus to the question on justification of faith by works. 46:50 Romans Chapter 3 Verse 20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." 47:02 Romans 4 verse 5 "But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness." 48:34 Romans 4 verses 7-8 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin." 49:22 Genesis 15 verse 6 "And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness." 52:39 Reformed Doctrine of Predestination by Loraine Boettner 1:01:03 Genesis chapters 37-50 recommended on dealing with what god allows and how he uses it for good

[@frankgarcia4793]

Is there a transcript of this conversation? Just amazing how you layout God’s truth. Jeff your an awesome man of God. I give praise and thanks to the Lord for how He uses you for the Kingdom. Amen. God bless my brother in Christ Jesus.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

Frank Garcia, So you agree with his lunatic god, 3personality in 1being.LOL No doubt you are a calvinist then.

[@gameandskate]

Joey Feliciano, come on Joey, think of the sun! Does it not reveal its nature in a threefold manner (as programmer by the Lord)? We have the physical presence, the warmth, and the light - all beautifully displaying the quality of the sun! So it is with our Father, far beyond the value of the sun that sustains our life on earth.

[@joeyfeliciano9199]

@@gameandskate You mean, the sun, the moon and the stars that radiates the same source of lights but in different way? Or you mean the sun is the moon and the stars also? John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was *with* God, and the Word was God. You cannot be *WITH* someone if that someone is also you, unless you are a lunatic. LMFAO

[@messiamovsesian2162]

@@joeyfeliciano9199 we as finite beings aren’t gonna completely understand an infinite God

[@jordancruz2142]

It would be awesome to transcript these videos to text.

[@dbkoala]

Pastor Jeff has so much grace to stand there and break it down. It's definitely a gift and blessing from God.

[@hectorrosado5807]

The problem is that when you argue with a person that doesn't believe that the bible is the word of God is almost impossible to prove a point. For example; Me as a Christian, if I speak with a Muslim and the reference is the Quran, obviously I do not believe that the Quran is the word of God we will not agree. However, both me and my wife are Christians and we believe that the bible is the true word of God. Lots of times when we discuss the word of God and I have my personal opinion and in my mind I truly believe that I am right we pull out the bible and read what gospel (bible) has to say about the subject. We immediately understand who was right and who was wrong base on what Jesus Christ said. (Usually) people provide personal opinion base on whatever is more convenient to them instead of seeking what God has to say. That I believe is the main reason why the world is so messy and we are witnessing horrible things because everyone wants to do whatever without trying to be faithful to the moral standard that God asks us to follow for our own good. God bless you all.

[@garthleach8144]

lol

[@kendramotherwell5509]

Mormons do believe in the Bible though

[@mekisavaliga3003]

We believe in the Bible bro we use the King James version for your information man been taking out and add which man shouldn't right we read the Bible the same as we read the Book of Mormon this book is the another testament of Jesus Christ and no man add or taking out of it plus their are testimonies of eye witnesses that was translated correctly

[@retroman7331]

@@kendramotherwell5509 Mormons don't believe in the Bible. They just say they do. Look at the many verses where Yahweh is speaking saying he is the only God. None formed before him, nor after him. Apart from him, there is no god. Mormons don't believe any of these verses. They may claim they believe the Bible, but clearly...they don't.

[@craigpennington4525]

I don’t believe in calvinism, but I love pastor Jeff.

[@DustinLaytonMusic]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

[@deanlockamy2087]

The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture - that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

[@prayunceasingly2029]

@@deanlockamy2087 Especially given the fact that in God there is no evil.

[@doragonzalez2222]

Jeff, since I discovered your channel, I can't get enough. I am learning so many truths that I was oblivious to. How do you keep so much scripture memorized?

[@Blindsyde5762]

Man Jeff is so good. He's got to be the best I've seen