Incredible: Christian vs Atheist Debate (White & Durbin vs Clark & Ellis)

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[@HiHi-ek1dd]

G'day maybe bring an Muslim and have a peaceful discussion :)

[@HiHi-ek1dd]

Towards eternity gives an explanation to numerous of atheistic point of believe

[@danielyniguez8118]

Those two christians are idiots that didn't answer the question or show a shred of proof beyond fairytales. Rediculous.

[@jamesm6887]

Or - alternatively - you could not support this mission and instead study science and realise that the corners left in the Universe for the God of the gaps to hide in are receding on a daily basis. And let's all be thankful for that shall we? I mean c'mon people. We've got to grow out of this stuff. We're not bronze age peasants anymore. We learned the Earth is round. We learned how biology works. We figured out the composition of stars. When are we going to put the nonsense of gods to bed?

[@HiHi-ek1dd]

@@jamesm6887 The Tawheed first Pillar of Islam (the one ness of God.) If you want I can show how Universe was created / started. Maybe if you copy and paste you might get a PHD in whatever. This is Tawheed (by one of the Infalliable Imams) I heard al-Ridha, Ali b. Musa, peace be upon him, speak thus on the subject of Oneness of Allah: "The first step toward worship of Allah is to know Him, and the root of that knowledge is in recognizing His Oneness; And the principle of that recognition lies in negating all definitions from Him; Every reason guides to the fact that anything defined is created (and not the creator), And every created one testifies that it has a creator, who is not created. The one, who is not contingent, is the One, timeless in eternity. So he who ascribes attributes to Him has not (truly) worshipped Him, And he who knows Him by similitude has not understood His oneness; And one who compares Him (to anything) has not understood the true essence, nor has he confirmed Him if he sets any limit for Him; And he who points towards Him with any of his senses is, in fact, aiming at something other than Him; So, he who likens Him (to others) does not actually mean Him, and he who considers Him a part of the whole, does not actually know Him, and he who imagines Him is indeed deluded. Everything, which can be encompassed by knowledge and imagination, is created, and everything that is dependent upon others for its existence is an effect. By His creation, we are guided to His existence, and by reason we believe in (the necessity of) knowing Him, and by the innate nature (of human beings) His Proof is established. His creation is a veil between Him and His creatures, and He is distinct from them by His disparateness. His beginning of their creation is the proof that He has no beginning, for the one who is begun (in time) cannot be a (timeless) beginner; So, all the names used for Him are mere interpretations, and acts attributed to Him are meant for common understanding. Indeed, he who defines or sets a limit to Him, displays ignorance about Him, and he who tries to encompass Him transgresses the bounds. And he who makes a surmise of His Being, misses Him (altogether). Whoever says 'How is He?' has indeed invoked His likeness, and whoever asks 'Why?' has indeed indulged in explaining Him away. And he who says 'When?' sets a time limit for Him, and he who asks 'In what?' tries to contain Him. And whoever asks 'Where to?' confines Him, and whoever asks 'Till when?' indeed fixes (an imagined) goal for Him. Thus whoever fixes a goal for Him, limits Him, and to set a limit for Him is to disbelieve in Him. The discrepancy among the creatures does not effect any variation in Him, and the limitation of the limited ones creates no confine for Him. He is One but not as number, and He is Manifest but not by was of associating; He is Evident but not by way of being visible. He is intrinsic but not by separation, and He is apart but not by distance. And He is near but not by proximity. He is (truly) subtle, but not in body, He Exists but not from nothingness. He is the doer but not under any duress, and He is the assessor but not yielded to pondering; He is designer without needing any movement. He Wills without being driven by resolves or determination, He perceives without depending on any senses. He hears and sees without any organ. Time does not accompany Him, places do not contain Him, slumber does not overtake Him, attributes do not define Him, and implements do not benefit Him. His Existence precedes time, His Being precedes void and nothingness. His Eternity precedes all beginning. By His creating similar things, it is established that He has no likeness, and by His creating dissimilarities among things, it is evident that He has no contrast. And by equation among things, it is understood that He has no equal. He contrasted light with darkness, severe winter with hot wind. He puts together things which are divergent, and separates things which are closer to each other. Thus by separating, He guides us to its Separator and by putting things together, He guides to its Integrator. Allah, Most High, says (in Qur'an): 'We have created a pair, that perchance you might remember.'(51:49) The meaning of Sustainer applied to Him when there was no one sustained, and the essence of (all) Divine Power belonged to Him when there was no worshipper, and He was the Knower when there was nothing knowable. He did not merit the meaning of being Creator after having created, nor did He become the Originator after having originated. He is not caused to be absent by 'since,' nor is He brought nearer by 'indeed.' And 'perchance' does not veil Him, nor is He limited in time by 'when.' He is not contained by 'then,' nor is He accompanied by 'with.' Every effect that is seen in the creation does not exist in its Creator, and all that is contingent in it is not possible in its Maker. Movement and Stillness do not occur in Him. And how can they occur in Him Who caused them? How could that which He initiated return to be applied to Him? In that case, there would have risen discrepancy in His Being, and the meaning of Eternal would be inapplicable to Him, and the word Creator would have had its opposite meaning. If He were bound by rear, He would have been bound by fore also, and if completeness were solicited for Him, then incompleteness would have been necessarily conceivable for Him. How could He be worthy of being called Eternal if He were contingent? How can He initiate things if He Himself needed to be initiated? In that case, the signs of being created would be evident in Him, and He would have changed from being the Indicator into the one indicated. Any statement contradicting this truth has no proof, nor do the questions arising therefrom have any answers. There is no god but Allah, Most High and Most Mighty. (And may Allah bless His Prophet, Muhammad and his pure Progeny.)"

[@daniel_john3167]

I was pagan turned Athiest. In my darkest hour when I finally gave up. Whilst holding the knife I looked up and said sorry God sorry lord please forgive me I believe. I bumbled cried and prayed for what felt like hours. When I stood again. I was fine. No more anti depressants no more drugs no more PTSD no more anger or self pitty. On that day I began my journey with Christ '3 years ago'

[@nickjones5435]

Well thats nice Dan. I wonder, is a funny feeling in your chest, which is clearly just hearsay, all you've got or do you have a single scrap of credible evidence of your god?

[@DRayL_]

I'm glad you found some way out of your depression and thoughts of suicide. That's the main thing.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@nickjones5435 As soon as you can produce a single scrap of evidence that life can be born out of non life. Next time a rock gives birth to a bacteria whose great great (xalot) grandchild is a human child!

[@nickjones5435]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr So your answer is NO ehhh? Why would i need to do that sonny? Did i make that claim? Are there people in society denigrating DECENT PEOPLE like homosexuals, indoctrinating INNOCENT children, threatening people with torture in a hell they cant demonstrate, extorting money from simple minded people and claiming moral authority on the basis of unsubstantiated claims of life coming from rocks? Or is that just Christians? How PITIFUL is your childish childish claims of an omnipresent omnibenevolent god who wants a relationship with me when you can't provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence?

[@jean-lucpicard1815]

Daniel, as a professing Christian myself, I look forward to seeing you in heaven so that you may tell me all about your walk with Christ in this foreign land we call this life. After all, we will have eternity glorifying God in heaven :).

[@raven5theday141]

I used to be a Christian but after hearing Dr. Clark, I am now extremely Christian

[@nickjones5435]

I used to be a Christian. Now after listening to durbin and white I'm definitely an atheist. Why would anyone be a Christian after listening to two charlatans having to play childish word games cos they can't provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god?

[@Ale2raw]

Amen 🙏🏾😂

[@nickjones5435]

@jaydes WHAT? I used to be a Christian. Now after listening to durbin and white I'm definitely an atheist. Why would anyone be a Christian after listening to two charlatans having to play childish word games cos they can't provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god?

[@lailaerakat480]

Lol amen 🙏

[@nickjones5435]

@Laila Erakat lol why on earth would you be a Christian after listening to those two charlatans?

[@adamkakos2671]

Dr. Clark, Dr. White and Jeff’s patience is the miracle you kept asking for.

[@Lambdamale.]

Agreed. You can tell Dr Clark is a bit confused if he thinks getting into another man's face is a safe practice.

[@somexp12]

That isn’t “patience”. That is false confidence and assertive posturing. I think he is helped by the fact that he doesn’t think deeply about the things he says. Ignorance allows him to feel confident. “How do you explain logic” is a pot-smoker’s epiphany. He ought to have run that by an actual philosopher before he said that in public, but I guess it works for him just to have his befuddled opponents stuck at “that can’t be right”. Bonus if you can frustrate them into a rage.

[@Lambdamale.]

@@somexp12 lol I dont agree with you, but the way you just said what you said was pretty good rhetoric, so I have to give you some kudos. Lol

[@adamkakos2671]

@@somexp12 Your comments about how you think Jeff Durbin debates is completely irrelevant to the statement I made. Anyone keeping their composure when a doctor (twice your age and in a professional setting) is rushing up to you with antifreeze saying, “show me! Show me! Show me! Show me! Show me! Show me!” Is manifesting the very height of patience. It doesn’t matter what side of the debate you are on. Any (self-respecting) atheist would repudiate such childishness. And if you have any disagreement that, that’s fine but you then loose all right to complain about any Christian that acts immature to you.

[@somexp12]

Adam Kakos I told you exactly how it was relevant. That *wasn’t patience*. Jeff Durbin has a strategy of being dense, rude, entitled and calm about aggravating people. It is easy to remain calm when the chaos was engineered by you. Clark was unfortunately just more vulnerable to it than others. If Clark did those stunts to me out of nowhere it would take some doing to avoid reacting. If, however, I had just spent two hours faking a wisdom I don’t possess, I would count the provocation as “mission accomplished”. Even when I was s Christian, Durbin and White would have caused me to bristle. I didn’t respect those types even then.

[@peytonscott9023]

My wish in life is that I can one day turn as many people to Christ as Dr. Clark has😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@MisfitTina]

Right! lol

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MisfitTina My post is serious man, you are not reading this by accident) All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@MisfitTina]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363I wasn’t even responding to you.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MisfitTina You are not reading this by accient, Jesus loves you and is calling you to Himself If I knew you were in the way of incoming traffic id pull you out of the way. Likewise, if you were in a burning building, I’d pull you out as well. What you don’t realise is your soul is on fire hence the preaching. The word of God is offensive to you right now but once you become a Christian you will realise the awesomeness of God and what love really is.

[@familythomas2828]

Pray for Dr. Clark, y'all, I'm not joking, I'm actually disturbed by his level of anger. It's sad to see

[@BB-vq6cb]

Darkness hates the Light.

[@shawnyfin]

I can HOPE for him. But you have to WANT salvation..

[@loveandfaithfulness4479]

Psalm 34:8 Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

[@edinasoryay]

read my comment and reply to my comment on the conversation.. that was an awfully disrespectful way to start the conversation by saying that even arguing rationally was taking out of the theistic playbook. Hey I've argued with atheists and christians alike. I've even see Dr. White get just as combative against oneness (modalist) debaters, though perhaps not as expressive (which some people are more expressive than others). Understand why he got upset. Then maybe understand that if from the get go you were under attack that you would remain emotionless. Hey I get it, the atheist will go just as hard at the Christian. D'sousa (if I remember right) and Dennis Prager arguing against Hitchens was similar outcome, though Hitchens came across as arrogant, at least D'sousa and Prager remained much more philosophically focused, while it was Hitchens that used presuppositional arguments and even changed the requirements of the answer of a question after he watched Prager answer it with ease. (there was a reward involved). It is interesting that at least some atheists (Atkins comes to mind) have a vitriolic hatred for even the implication that a supernatural power is involved. However, that doesn't mean that the best way to start a debate is to presuppose the other sides arguments, and then delegitimize the conversation, and then pretend shock when people are not happy. That's just manipulation at that point. It's like telling your kids you're going swimming to get their cooperation in leaving the house, and then go to your fishing hole instead. If you want a meltdown, lie to your kids. You can feign their immaturity if you want, but really it just means you're an asshole. They are just responding to the natural frustration of having been told a lie... Or in the case of Clark, that he was told what his position was and it was deemed unworthy of considering, before he even said it.

[@eddiesblacksmithingkjv9185]

He is a reprobate. Jeremiah 6:30 Romans chapter 1 reprobate

[@MiddleTennesseeLiving]

"Show me!" "Show me!" "Show me!" "Show me!" "Show me!" "Show me!" "Show me!" "Show me!" "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign..." "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead..."

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Whats wrong with examining an extraordinary claim to see if it is true?

[@G8rfan61]

@Tony Ferrer How do you know that I am "perishing in my sin?"

[@buzzbbird]

Evidence is not a sign

[@mariongranbruheim4090]

@James Richard Wiley What is the *extraordinary* claim in this case?

[@smackerindignity]

@James Richard Wiley, I think the quote was in reference to the claim to want to know (“show me”) and in the action of refusal to accept the evidence and logical claims. Based on Dr. Clark’s actions, he doesn’t appear to really seek answers; but, wants to steamroll the conversation with emotive accusations. Everyone should be seeking the truth, non-believers and “believers” alike; for, the non-believer to come to Truth and hopefully salvation, and for the believer to continue in confidence in his/her faith.

[@andrezzaf95]

"You think there were names like that runnin around in the Middle East 2000 years ago?! Nooooo" Loukas= Luke Markos= Mark Iōannēs= John

[@mandu2160]

that part honestly made me laugh

[@mandu2160]

oh and a lot more parts but that one stood out lol

[@davelikesbacon]

😂🤣😂🤣 I'm surprised he didn't say Jesus couldn't exist because the letter J doesn't exist in Hebrew and didn't come into existence until about six hundred or so years ago... that's always been my favorite 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@voltz.supreme]

Last time I heard that one was from a kid about 14 years ago in school...

[@jerryappleton6855]

I couldn't believe it when he said that. I thought he must be being sarcastic and no one is that stupid...I was wrong.

[@TheGadileck]

Dr Clark is a fine example of all angry people, ever.. If you don't agree with them, they will try to ridicule you into silence. That isn't how mature people behave, no matter whether you believe in Jesus or not.

[@nickjones5435]

Durbin and white are fine examples of dishonest charlatans who use childish word games to exploit the simple minded Christians for money.

[@tiffanysalling4272]

You mean how Christians will force feed you their ideology and if you refuse they go after your children. A mature Christiaan Adult will not try to force religion on anyone and mind their own business.

[@kinglame2112]

I watched this 2 years ago. And the angry atheist is what led me from being atheist to becoming Christian

[@DRayL_]

If that is what "led you",.....okay. But watching this _one_ person should never be "a reason". Not saying it was,...but it is implied here. And what kind of "atheist" were you? What did Clark actually say that "caused you to become a Christian"? I'm both intrigued, yet dumbfounded.

[@kinglame2112]

@@DRayL_ I was hard-core "God isn't real" atheist. The incompetence of this guy is what set in motion me becoming Christian. It still was a year long process. The guys arguments were so bad it made me question my own views and opened up the windows to hear the Christian side with sincere ears

[@DRayL_]

@@kinglame2112 I have had "sincere ears" for many years. I've seen no piece of good evidence that even remotely caused me to consider Christianity. And the more I learned about the ideologies, the further away from it I have become. I find it strange how people can view the same exact thing, yet draw completely opposite conclusions.

[@WalkWithFaith7]

@@kinglame2112 amen !!!

[@WalkWithFaith7]

@@DRayL_ sometimes we don’t want to see the truth 😊

[@Gardenwork-wi7zy]

Am I the only one who actually feels incredibly sorry for Dr Clark? The void that he must feel in his soul makes me shutter. I hope Jesus will be magnified in his life.

[@tumarbongrox6074]

JESUS is a Joke because •14 BOOKS• of the BIBLE were ✦DELETED✦ from the Bible over the first centuries of Christianity by MAN! (look it up for yourself) HOW can •14• books of "GOD'S WORD" be deleted by MAN and you still believe that the BIBLE is the *unchanged,* untainted, error free word of GOD?🤔 EVEN the image of Jesus is a *FALSE!* ABSOLUTELY ~NOWHERE~ in the BIBLE in *•ANY•* scripture is there a ✦DETAILED✦ physical description of Jesus! HOWEVER, today there are ✦DETAILED✦ pictures, paintings and statues of JESUS! The images of Jesus that you see today in MILLIONS of Christian churches and homes is ✦100%✦ MAN MADE! Your Bible says that making and worshipping false or graven images of GOD is idolatry and an *ABOMINATION!* I guess millions of Christians are going to HELL and don't even know it!

[@angelacustead4205]

Yep, unfortunately he is way to closed minded. Even is Jesus tapped him on the shoulder he still would refuse to believe!

[@tumarbongrox6074]

@@angelacustead4205 if Jesus tapped him on the shoulder, how would he *KNOW* its Jesus? •NOWHERE• in *any* scripture in the bible is there a complete physical description of Jesus....and the pictures and images that exist today of Jesus are *100% MAN MADE!* I also wouldn't know Jesus if he tapped me on the shoulder!🤔

[@angelacustead4205]

Ohhh! I think one would know if the mighty Jesus Christ son of God tapped them on the shoulder!

[@tumarbongrox6074]

@@angelacustead4205 If a man tapped you on the shoulder and he was short, kind of chubby with a double chin and a receding hairline and said, Hi I'm your savior Jesus". You would take one look at him and say, "You're not Jesus". You would say that because you have been praising a FALSE, Man Made image of Jesus *all* of your life. You will be looking for the fake, man-made image of Jesus and you will deny a Jesus that doesn't fit that false image. Maybe God will forgive you for worshipping false and graven images of him. The bible states that it is an *ABOMINATION* to God and you deserve to go to hell.

[@CEOofSleep]

Why is he so angry at something/someone that "doesn't exist" lol

[@Tinesthia]

He is angry with dishonest presuppositionalism.

[@TrueLifeVW09]

He wants to not believe in it.

[@TheHeartOfTheHour1]

@@Tinesthia Dishonest? ... he is just mad with presuppositionalism. Its not dishonest. Your comment is dishonest.

[@lucasargandona4658]

Because he doesn't know the truth and thinks we are as gullible as a child who believes in Santa

[@fleentstones117]

Ope, we got an edgelord.

[@antoniopalomar1182]

Dr Clark expressed himself as one of the most disrespectful ignorant men I have ever witnessed for being such an intelligent human beings 😢. I offer my prayer for the scoffer.

[@Matthew-307]

I don’t think he’s that intelligent. Education does not equal intelligence.

[@jacksondowney4327]

@@Matthew-307 He's by leaps and bounds the smartest guy in the room. Every single argument these pastors make is from presupposition, which is a no-no in any real debate.

[@dianeross4522]

The Genetics of God. By Dr. Sam Rose. Also intelligent.

[@somethingclever3714]

I see this opinion being shared a lot. But no one is attacking his arguments. Especially his closing argument. If gods word is infallable then why doesnt anyone show that?

[@henryatkinson8870]

@@jacksondowney4327which presuppositions.

[@sinnersaved1033]

Professing themselves to be wise, They became fools..

[@G8rfan61]

Don't be so hard on believers. Confirmation bias is a rather potent deception.

[@sinnersaved1033]

@@G8rfan61 haha! that was pretty good. So you are an Athiest I am assuming? What did you think of the debate?

[@sinnersaved1033]

@Streetsdisciple001 I guess I don't understand. What do you mean?

[@nikolapupovac2893]

James and Jeff did avoid the topic of the discusion, and their defence would have been different if they were arguing with let's say muslims.

[@nikolapupovac2893]

@Streetsdisciple001 Deserving or not is purely emotional argumentation or stating which requires a standard, which you did not provide as well as with other things you said, you are doing the same thing Jeff Durbin and White were doing when presenting the transidental argument

[@RonHilton]

Nobody is that angry unless they are struggling with something deep inside that they desperately want to understand.

[@TheTito995]

he sure don't sound like he wants to understand, he's in fact really trying not to

[@BeaPaxson]

100% you are correct; for sure the ones that are angriest, they’re the most confused.

[@sallymcmurray949]

Ever heard of a demon?

[@stefon815]

Sounds like he's upset that he has to argue against nonsense in a serious way

[@waltonfrederick3118]

@@stefon815 God will certainly show Him...hopefully sooner than later. His anger is but a symptom of his hubris.

[@konvergierend.konservativ]

The greatest that ever lived; He had no servants, yet they called Him Master. He had no degree, yet they called Him Teacher. He had no medicines, yet they called Him Healer. He had no army, yet Kings feared Him. He won no military battles, yet He conquered the world. He had no crime, yet they crucified Him. He had no need, yet He forgave them as they mocked. He was buried in a tomb, yet He lives today. His name is Jesus Christ and He is the Saviour of the world.

[@catherine9808]

Jrgn Dthtns amen 🙏🏽

[@blackscreennoiseforrelaxat1517]

Jrgn Dthtns I love this

[@waddjantachi]

Amen

[@mattlangley7605]

Im legit mad that i cant copy paste this from my phone

[@margueriteorme8388]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯thank you!!

[@DanielSanchez-zo3fb]

What a powerful debate, I learned a lot from you guys and my conviction has grown

[@nickjones5435]

What did you learn? How to run away with childish word games because you know you havn't got any credible evidence?

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@nickjones5435the only child i saw there was clark, if you don't like the debates then don't attend or watch.

[@nickjones5435]

@JohnjOcampo Clearly you didn't watch with an open mind John. I saw two devious childish, dishonest charlatan preachers using childish word games and running from the actual debate! LOOK MORE HONESTLY JOHN!

[@JohnjOcampo]

@@nickjones5435 yet the only one's who have really displayed childish behavior is you and clark, everyone knows that but you lol.

[@matthewalston1226]

​@@nickjones5435your argument is infantile and you are a deceived person.

[@Mattchew2232]

It's real cool to see James and Jeff sitting side by side during a debate.

[@willarthur3888]

Have they debated each other before

[@jeremiah6462]

You do realize, they are always on the same side of the debate and have teamed up many times?

[@PistolPete1980]

@@jeremiah6462 they a tag team

[@sebastianbancroft7184]

They make a great team

[@thereisnopandemic]

Guess Michael Brown has been replaced, impossible to debate an atheist with an charismatic Arminian on your side. The whole miracles thing would turn into a White vs Brown.

[@rebeccanuesch780]

My heart hurts for Dr. Clark. What happened in his life to make him such a bitter, sad man.

[@DRayL_]

There could be many reasons. But whether or not he truly _is_ "a bitter, sad man" cannot be known from this one evening. There's no way to know why he was as he was that evening...and it could be that he is quite calm and collected in 95% of his life.

[@markrobby7136]

I think he could be dangerous toward his Christian patients. I'm really scared!

[@fredo3161]

This dude literally stood on a stage and invited people to come up and drink poison. I thought, well he is trying to prove his point in a humorous way, but also...could what he did be considered attempting to encourage self deletion? Quite unhinged.

[@nickjones5435]

​@@fredo3161 isnt the unhinged thing an ADULT who still believes in childish things?

[@fredo3161]

@@nickjones5435 At least children aren't miserable know-it-all nihilists.

[@evand2911]

"Oh sorry I am partially blind" Irony.

[@moyerl100]

Partially??? 😉

[@jacobmccoy2661]

lol!

[@defiance1790]

🤣 so good! 🤣

[@theworldofoak1]

Morally and spiritually I would say that man is completely blind

[@evand2911]

Yes for sure.

[@johng290]

Tell me his doctorate was honorary! Because I can NOT believe after listening to him many times that he uses his brain. He’s hysterical. Emotional.

[@jonathanwoods467]

I use to be an athiest. So so so very glad I recieved salvation and it blew my mind.

[@JesusChristSaves.]

Praise the lord! Jesus loves you so much he died for your sin, and for all those who love him and trust him

[@infernosdante4557]

what changed your mind?

[@davidbengb8484]

@Quinzerrak You apply the scientific fallacy of spontaneous generation to cosmological levels. You believe that everything came from nothing, I believe in a God that can easy explain said phenomenon. We are not the same. Jesus, the Gospel, those are not fairy tales, describing them as such would be absurdly reducing a massive narrative that concerns to everyone. You can't hide from God, it's useless. Search for the Gospel my friend, Jesus is life.

[@uanonymous1090]

Just the fact a person believes he comes from a fish should tell you all you have to know. There is also a difference between the THEORY of EVOLUTION and EVOLUTION! HUGE DIFFERENCE!

[@uanonymous1090]

@Quinzerrak I hope your not implyng that you believe you came from a fish? LMAO I hope your not implying that some explosion created the Earth and Heavens. Please for the love of GOD, tell me you're not that stupid.

[@xfallofmanx]

I was a MILITANT atheist for the first 30 years of my life. I’m now believer in Christ. Witnessing the birth of my son changed everything for me. I saw God’s work in that moment and I felt the responsibility He gave to me as a man, husband, and father. Also, as a side note, the harder I lean into God the easier those parts of my life get. I’m still learning and I’ll never be perfect but I KNOW God is real.

[@DigitalEagle2700]

glad you are saved brother, hello to your son from Russia🇷🇺God bless you and him

[@Romans116-g1r]

Amen! I'm glad God has shown you great things and has opened your eyes! Remember that as we get closer to God, the devil gets angrier and has no rest. Keep doing great things and may God bless you and your beautiful family!❤️🙏🏽

[@paulmensah6780]

So happy for you

[@nickjones5435]

Congratulations on your baby boy. Its a wonderful feeling isnt it? Evolution in action. Some of your genes, sone of your wifes to form a brand new life by natural means with traits from both of you. What makes you think your god had ANYTHING whatsoever to do with it? Wasnt it your wife and the midwife who did all the work? Isnt it highly dishonest and arrogant to claim your god had anything whatsoever to do with it when you cant even show your god EXISTS? Can you even show your god EXISTS?

[@nickjones5435]

@@DigitalEagle2700 What does he need saving from?

[@TheDeafDood]

Thank you, Dr. Clark, for driving people away from atheism by showing them what they'll become given time. I hope you see the truth before it's too late.

[@DRayL_]

Wow......yet another Strawman from a Christian. It amazes me how many people make fake claims about a subgroup of people that isn't factual. Please educate yourself and try to keep from false information.

[@jenniferhandley1653]

5

[@nickjones5435]

What a stupid comment. Clark showed we should stop being so polite to obvious morons making ridiculous claims and dishonest charlatans using presupp are the very worst of a very bad bunch! Durbin and white demonstrated that Christianity is dead as shown by people leaving in droves even in primitive countries like USA which has list 15% in the last 20 years. Its dead cos you know you can't provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence and as one LAST DESPERATE attempt to cling on to your ability to socially control the simple minded, you've resorted to the childish wordgames of presupp which are as transparent as my car windows!

[@John-or7pr]

The best arguments against atheism normally come direct from an atheist's mouth. Their arguments are self refuting and can easily be used for God's existence. If the universe can come from nothing, so can God. It's amazing how delusional these atheists are.

[@unknownwarrior757]

@@testingjoaox002 He means "too late for Dr. Clark salvation" because we have short time (till this mortal body is alive) and after that our fate is sealed. And I will say also that Dr. Clark has a bad influence to all that listen the false teachings that God does not exist (with some exeptions here and there because sometimes even if you listen this false teachings you can actualy realize that God exist).

[@childofGod3n1]

All I can say is WOW! Dr Clark is very much in bondage by the evil one. I'll be praying for him 🙏 😔

[@ramilsarmiento5534]

Those Pastors are more Satanic than those Atheist in the Panel SATAN IS NOT AN ATHEIST, Satan believes in God. 2Co 11:13-15 (13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[@cheemster2619]

You believe in something that says I should be stoned to death

[@stephk3221]

This guy must be going through some serious stuff, telling by his actions. We should pray for him, he is very mad at God.

[@pazuzil]

OMG you should do something about your teeth!

[@justchilling704]

Freddy You must be a troll 😂

[@Lindsija1507]

CL C just watched it and it was just my thought. I’m sure many will join in. So will I. God is mighty to save and he can give him a heart of flesh

[@stephk3221]

@@pazuzil I have zero cavities, so what's wrong with my chompers? I also have zero need to live up to what you think my teeth should look like, Freddy. At least im not hiding behind a computer like an anon.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

When I was a child I was afraid of the monster that lived under my bed and came out at night.

[@mlwilson2956]

I used to be agnostic. When I began seriously searching for truth, the silliness of atheists like these guys helped push me towards faith in Christ

[@Kingkaidozw2]

Yup Honeatly now is the best time to be Christian so you definitely should give your life to Christ trust me it's worth it and God definitely wants you to .. you should get to know him more do more research

[@gavinhurlimann2910]

Well said.

[@gavinhurlimann2910]

@Skydaddy Myth-Busters "and that of many" comprises of 16% of the global population. By 2050, that figure is expected to decrease to 13%.

[@Druidys1]

@@gavinhurlimann2910 Which is to be expected, there were more religious than non-religious and a lot of people raise their children according to their beliefs. Doesn't mean god exists, just means that there are many dumb people.

[@lllBiohaz3rdlll]

Lmao look at these Christian NPC’s. Programmed to all say the same thing. Religion should scare you. Reading things from a book and accepting without proof is scary.

[@alananderson4807]

I am speechless at the disrespect this man Dr. Clark, a supposed man of science, showed to his opponents, the audience, and even his debate partner. He clearly had no logical arguments or defense of his positions and views, and was reduced to an immature, amateurish, spectacle. Bless you both, Dr. White and Pastor Jeff, for your patience. You glorified God in this moment.

[@msshaffer5]

Agreed, what a sad spectacle he was to watch.

[@JNB0723]

Both sides were both extremely arrogant and fallacious

[@keepthechange2811]

@@JNB0723 Yeah people are fallable. I doubt you can point out the fallacies tho

[@JNB0723]

@@keepthechange2811 I have better things to do with my life. I will say this if you want to good debate don't sit through this thing cuz both sides just speak to their own sides and not try to speak to the other opponent sides. There are much better debates on KZbin for this topic.

[@roxyandjamesflynn906]

@@JNB0723 Dr Clark didn’t allow for the debate to become any deeper. White & Durbin have had many deep and intelligent debates with other more respectful atheists.

[@matthewthomasjames]

Thank God I’m a Christian. Were I an Atheist I’d roll over in complete mortification if Clark represented my viewpoints.

[@ritwit80]

Dr Clark is exactly the type of Atheist that God will reveal himself to, but not because Dr Clark demands it, but when God thinks it's the right time. I used to be just like Dr Clark until God unexpectingly revealed himself to me many times in a series of events. As a new Christian, i now know how hard it is to explain Christianity to an unbeliever and what's it like to have a direct relationship with Jesus, but i understand on the other hand how an Atheist doesn't believe. It actually makes me more grateful to God, to have lived both world views.

[@SealedByTruth]

All honest Christians have lived in both worldviews. That's why the whole world needs Christ 📖♥️

[@Joskemom]

It is an interesting insight to live in 'both worlds' as you say. I been raised Christian practically from birth and have gone to Christian private schools. I have no idea of the hurdles that have to be jumped to hear Scripture ideas when a person is an adult and introduced to concepts for the first time. As you can confirm, only by God can a person's heart be changed. The biggest 'miracles' I have seen or heard is when bad and imoral people come to Christ and are completly changed into a 'new' person.

[@jonathanwoods467]

That's awesome bro!!! I use to be athiest too!

[@JesusisLorddeusvult]

Jesus is Lord

[@tomjjackson21]

How did God reveal himself to you?

[@kyleharms3939]

Testimony I was born in a Christian family and thought I was a Christian because I went to church on Sundays but the way I lived showed otherwise. I was leading my self to death and also eternal death, I was partying 4 to 5 times a week. I would go to the clubs almost every night till like 3 or 4 in the morning and then I had to get up at 530 for work, I was so used to this cycle that it was easy to run off 1 hour of sleep. I was drinking crazy amounts of alcohol and would drive home so drunk all the time and I don’t even remember how I got home most of the time. My buddy even said I would serve all over the road. There was no words from anyone that was gonna stop the way I was living until god put a stop to it all and completely changing my life and also my eternal life. On May 10 2017 I was out with friends, we were in two separate cars and the one car sped in front of us without knowing a sharp Conner was coming up. They then skimmed the side of a hydro pole and went air born perfectly going threw two trees. Then the pole came down and landed right on my head when I was in the passenger seat, it crushed my head right open and turned my brain 90 degrees. I was pronounced dead, even in the police report it said i died. I stoped breathing so they punctured my lungs with a tube so I good breath and put 4 bags of blood in me. I was in a coma for 2 weeks and the doctors told my family I most likely won’t survive and if I do I will be a vegetable for the rest of my life and after two months I walked out of the hospital looking like nothing really happened to me. I had thousands of people all over the world praying for me and god saved my life and I became a strong Christian after this, That’s why that day became the best day of my life. Also after that miracle from god there was more. My right eye got pushed down to my mouth so they did another surgery to move my eye up and thought o would never be able to see again out of that eye but I still had vision but extremely bad vision and the eye doctor told me I have a lot of damage behind my eyeball that can never go away so my vision in that eye will never improve, so I got glasses but after awhile the glasses were making it worse so I stoped using them. Over time my vision seemed great but I thought it was from me just using my good eye to see. Seven months after the first eye appointment I had another one and they did all the testing again. At the end the eye doctor comes in with so much shock on his face and he was extremely confused. He said Kyle, I don’t know what happened or how this is even possible but some how all the damage behind your eye is completely gone to where you no longer even need glasses. I went from a lost boy leading myself to hell to a guy with a strong relationship with the lord are father in heaven, to where I can no longer drink and love spreading gods amazing grace and love! Praise god!!!! 🙏❤️

[@jamesan18]

Thank you for your testimony. God loves you soo much! It's crazy when God performs miracles that science can not explain.

[@kyleharms3939]

a the son, the father and the holy spirt is what makes god. Jesus died a horrible death, so we could be saved

[@kyleharms3939]

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[@theottoz2494]

Kyle thank you so much for sharing. My story is not at all extreme but still life changing but hearing stories like this make me take another step closer to God even when I thought I couldn't get any closer. I to was raised in a religious household and always wanted to believe that God exist but I could never fathom his existence. I prayed to be a follower of Christ even tho I didn't believe it but wanted it to be true. The fear of God (the fear of the absence of God...hell) was what pushed me to want to open my heart. The Bible says those who seek the Lord will be presented His truth. The world around me seemed so dark and meaningless with God not taking a priority in the over all view of the world. It started to make me take my views and what I believe is right and stack it against society and the more I looked at my views the more they were similar to the teaching of Christ. Then I decided that I should actually read the Bible from start to finish and not just read but understand it. If there was a verse I did not understand then I would research it and try to understand its meaning. Before I finished reading the Bible (which I am still working on) I was close to finally believing. Not to jump around in time but years ago when I was around 10-15 I remember my sister reading a book called case for Christ it is always stuck with me. Years later I see that they made a movie about it and it's on Netflix. That movie took it from a scientific point to understand Christ and how he the Bible is true. By the end of the movie I was on my knees sobbing thanking God for giving me the gift of knowing his love and how sobbing for Jesus for his sacrifice. It's crazy how it changes you from your heart first to the rest of you. I always say God is the mind (all knowing) Jesus is the heart (Died for the love for us) and the holy spirit is our hand (which empowers us to do God's work) I still read the Bible and am still working through it but I love KZbin for being such a great source and finding videos that show the Truth of God. I have my Bible hand and hand when watching the videos to compare what they are saying with my Bible. Just wanted to share and thank you for doing the same.

[@jamesan18]

@a check out Ravi Zacharias trinity. He explains the trinity.

[@matth3w66]

It was difficult to watch that guy so badly humiliate himself.

[@wiseguy9202]

He seems angry and uses child like mannerisms to get his quasi-point across.

[@GRAYgauss]

I can't believe I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt right until the closing. I'm still shocked.

[@swisscheeseplease97]

@@GRAYgausseverybody would have taken him 1000X more seriously if he was civil and less flamboyant

[@joecheffo5942]

If God was obviously true, why would we need debates? no one converts anyone through debates. Neither side listens, they are pointless. Islam will be the main world religion soon anyway, no debates needed.

[@matthewthomasjames]

He’s probably too proud to recognize what a foolish child he came across as! Totally unsuitable to participate in a debate!

[@nicholassmith2237]

Wait, he actually said that people weren’t named Mark Luke or John in the Middle East 2000 years ago?… I can tell I’m in for a good one

[@RealEverydayEnglish]

Yes. He’s THAT clueless.

[@ZephramFoster]

"oops I'm partially blind" truest thing he said all night 😂

[@jasonshoots1655]

Now I get half way through. 🤣🤣🤣

[@alphaandomega2709]

You were blind as well until the light of the Gospel Gods love shed abroad your heart. Have mercy on this man he is Lost. Should break your heart. And bring you to your knees knowing that there is nothing impossible for God.

[@ichabodcrane93]

It's a wonder the loving Christian God doesn't heal his eyesight. It's all he'd have to do to turn another angry atheist into a believer, and probably thousands more who see the miracle. So why doesn't He do it? He can. He's all powerful. And loving too. Show me!

[@ZephramFoster]

@@ichabodcrane93 Does God's existence rely on whom he heals? That seems illogical.

[@katnelson5617]

“I’m partially blind” I have to see him to hear him.

[@laurieclark4349]

Staying so calm and respectful when being insulted was such a wonderful example to see. You are spirit filled and so well informed. I enjoyed learning from your exquisite demeanor.

[@shadowcobra69]

This is why people think atheists are mean but if you preach and say he is real that is an insult to our beliefs and truth of the world.

[@coltonflynn358]

That doesn’t make any sense. You just said that a Christian stating their belief is an insult to you and your belief. It may offend you somehow, but stating an opinion or a belief is in no way an insult, nor should it be taken that way. There is no rule or law that says you cannot disagree with an opinion or belief. God demonstrates that everyday by giving humanity free will. You don’t have to except God. Matter fact, you can deny Him. That’s a choice that you have, one that God gives you. He does however tell you that your actions and your choice have consequences. God loves you so much, that He not only came to the earth as a human being and died for you, but He loves you so much that He gives you a choice to accept Him or deny Him. After all, how could you truly love Him and accept Him if He forced you to. God is giving you a chance to make that choice ever single day you wake up. Please don’t wait until it’s too late. Open your heart. Time will run out eventually. I hope you don’t find this insulting and I hope this does not offend you. I love you and I care about you. I don’t want you to make the wrong choice and pay for it when I and others can inform you and help you.

[@szerania]

If everyone's being honest, both sides had their jabs. I'm an aethiest, and I was disheartened to see the messy part of this debate. But these things do happen in debates, and it has to be hard to debate as an aethiest in a room of Christians. As an aethiest, I wish the people of the same perspective had given better questions, because I know I sure had alot I'd have enjoyed hearing. But oh well, I'll be checking out more of these debates. At the end of the day, we're all human and we should love eachother regardless of belief sets and where we come from. To anyone reading this, have nice day :). Sincerely.

[@shadowcobra69]

@@szerania so true this chirstians just pick a fight for no reason.

[@supercheezies]

💯💯 I think God put these vids in front of my face so I can learn this…how to speak to ppl with love even when I get angry or feel insulted. To talk in love. Walk in love. Always🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@to6etherwego]

The point of apologetics is to win souls not just an argument, so thank you for that beautiful gospel presentation.

[@nickjones5435]

Well they certainly lost the argument. Is there any such thing as a soul or did they lose thar as well?;

[@to6etherwego]

@nick jones well according to the Bible we all have a soul. You can not loose your soul, but that all of us are lost as in far from God. The Bible teaches that sin causes a division in relationship and because of our sin we are separated from a loving relationship with God. Since we have all sinned we are all in the same position, but because God loves us He sent Jesus to pay our ransom and our debt so that we could be brought near to Him. To restore our relationship with Him. This is God's grace and we accept this gift through faith (trusting in the work that Jesus came to do)..... now I know nothing in here that proves there is a God or that we have a soul I am simply stating what the Bible teaches about the matter. So I think the place we all need to start is asking "can the Bible be trusted?"

[@nickjones5435]

@To6ether We Go @To6ether We Go That isn't what I asked. Why the hell would us decent people care what it says in Harry Potter, the quoran, the grufflo or the boble? Yeah I know what the boble teaches after 22 years as a Christian, but why the hell would I pay any attention to it when you can't provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence that it's valid? You say we've all sinned! Errrr how do you come to that conclusion? How can I possibly have sinned? Is there any such thing as a sin? Clearly you think there is. Sin is a crime against a god. If theres no god then there's no victim of any crime anc do no such thing as a sin. Quod erat demonstrandom. So please present credible evidence that your god exists or theres no such thing as a sin is there?

[@nickjones5435]

@To6ether We Go I agree. Can the bible be trusted? Can you support just 4 of the very fundemental claims of the bible and if not why would we trust anything else in it?

[@to6etherwego]

@@nickjones5435 100% agree

[@MeghanBeard-if8pz]

God bless you Durbin & White for this work! & I am praying for you Clark & Ellis. Acts 26:18-19 🤍

[@artist8942]

I used drugs very hard for 20 years I could not quit I tried everything from drug treatment to mental and emotional health treatment to physical treatment and nothing could help me. The very night I hit my knees and I said if there's any help I want it my life changed. I now have 4 years clean and my life is better than it has ever been I believe that is a miracle

[@chegadesuade]

Thank you for sharing your testimony, that's a wonderful story.

[@ShalemAhava]

Wow, thx for sharing your testimony 💯

[@artist8942]

@@chegadesuade thank you so much I didn't expect anybody to reply

[@artist8942]

@@ShalemAhava thank you I really appreciate it

[@davelarson6103]

are you still sober? did your miracle persist?

[@sidneybuckaloo]

I was a Norse pagan for 3 years. I was in and out of depression. In and out of anxiety. In and out of what felt like a mental hell scape. One day without even thinking I started crying and praying to God to save me. I prayed for him to rain his peace down on my mind and heart. I prayed that I would no longer be burdened with my immense fears. I prayed for the savior to enter my life and heart and to never leave. Slowly over time I got better and better. I used to have more anxious and depressed days than I did good days. Now I go long periods of time without depression or anxiety. I still have them from time to time but everyday gets a little better. God saved me and I can honestly say that I never expected myself to be typing those words in a sentence much less saying them out loud. I now know and believe that God has a plan for my life and I am exactly where I’m supposed to be.

[@Romans116-g1r]

I'm so proud of you and so is God! Life will always be a battle and the devil never rests. But God is stronger and he makes everything much easier for us.❤️

[@rejinc]

glad for your better health , but....

[@maryalxndra]

Beautiful.

[@trapG0LD710]

But you weren't a skeptic so your testimony holds no merit.

[@sidneybuckaloo]

@@trapG0LD710 I was a sceptic for the majority of my 20’s.

[@hutchmm138]

The second the Dr. began speaking in angered sarcasm, he lost the debate.

[@prisonerohope6970]

Yes. Because that's not debating.

[@N3Rd32]

@@prisonerohope6970 Screaming like a child and doing theatrics isn't debating by definition.

[@formerfundienowfree4235]

I’ve listened to a lot of angry Christian preachers

[@mjojco]

@@Nkulinairehiphop The atheists clearly lost the debate and soiled themselves in the process.... see how easy that is to post 👍. It doesn't mean anything but it's out on the interwebs now.

[@mjojco]

@@formerfundienowfree4235 Cool. Preachers with righteous anger often upset their audience because they hold them accountable and bring their sin into the light....sinners hate the light.

[@timothyAreeves]

No way! Dr. Clark is seriously wild! I'm grateful that he's helped strengthen my Christian faith.

[@user-ok3rr2uk4z]

Not every atheist is like that stereotyper

[@moniquemora4367]

Bless you both for remaining calm, composed, respectful, and kind despite the blatant disrespect you were shown. Truly and example of what it means to speak the truth in love and to not be controlled by emotions.

[@nickjones5435]

It astounds me to see the double standards of Christians on this thread commenting on the perfectly natural response of Clark in response to the blatantly dishonest childish word games used by the Christians to totally avoid the whole question of the debate!!! Astounding!

[@jennyknapp3332]

@@nickjones5435 were we watching the same video? Dr Clark was offensive, hateful and mocking. He didn’t prove anything except that he is a bitter and angry man.

[@nickjones5435]

@Jenny Knapp No I don't think we could have been watching the same video jenny. Did you miss the entirety of the video in which durbin and white avoided the actual question under discussion in favour of childish word games that had been REJECTED as a topic PRIOR to the debate? They started with the blatant insult of claiming that these intelligent men couldn't use things as basic as induction rather than addressing the actual question at hand. Truly pitiful and highly insulting! Why are Christians so dishonest and morally bankrupt?

[@Shrugboatt]

@@nickjones5435 That's a long sentence of pure cope

[@nickjones5435]

@Shrugboatt Your post is gibberish sonny. What am I trying to 'cope' with? Why are Christians so dishonest and morally bankrupt? Why can't you provide even the tinniest scrap of credible evidence of your god? It seems these childish word games are used.purely because you cant provide one iota of credible evidence arn't they?

[@anonymousmouse505]

This will forever be the most entertaining debate on the internet

[@somethingamusesme]

Fr bro I laughed a looooottttt.

[@collectibles4u]

💯 😂

[@roundcow9806]

I feel for Dr. Clark. It seems he is desperately in need for something more in his life, especially when at the end he keeps saying "Show me! Show me!"

[@jennyknapp3332]

He was harassing those men, it seemed he was so angry that he wanted to physically assault them and goad them into a fight. What a dark presence he is.

[@theemalarkey5129]

Im no where near as angry or as old as clark but it is quite infuriating that everyone has an example that they were shown that made them believe in there god. Am i just supposed to feel left out? If you have a god experience and thats why you have faith doesn’t the destroy the faith because now it’s connected to your evidence? I remember taking lsd a year ago when i was 19 and during my trip i demanded god approach me and in that moment i saw a face slowly come into my eyes it looked like the usual god photos you see in mormon churches but only his head made out of those triangle and square 2d shapes you would play with in kindergarten. If i wanted to I could say I met god that night, but i truly believe drugs alter how you interact with your brain i just believe i imagined what I wanted into my eyes.

[@furyfantoo]

Clark was simply looking for 'gotcha' moments, looking for a single 'error' to use to prove the Christian belief system as false. His performance here shows he knows nothing of God nor His creation of human free will (evidenced by the Pharoah comments). He apparently thinks, as many atheists seem to, that God should 'fix' everything and make everything OK for us on earth (evidenced for why God doesn't miracle new limbs for us). Clark thinks miracles occur by our demand (evidenced by his suggestion that we test God by drinking poison). He also ignores that God could have a hand in science and medicine and believes it exists solely because Man created it. As the old punchline goes, 'No, no. Get your own dirt.'

[@ramilsarmiento5534]

Those Pastors are more Satanic than those Atheist in the Panel SATAN IS NOT AN ATHEIST, Satan believes in God. 2Co 11:13-15 (13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. (14) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (15) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

[@pmpcvii]

My dad used to say that, he was angry at God. Thank the Lord, I believe God saved Him. He wasn’t angry after awhile, and started to ask to go to Bible study and church almost every day at times

[@ReformedSooner24]

Yeeeaaah I couldn’t stay calm around someone like Clark.

[@anonymousmouse505]

I see you on all the best video threads 😂

[@flashhog01]

It is nice to see atheists live up to the words of Paul in Romans: "Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools..."

[@G8rfan61]

Atheism is the practice of suspending the acknowledgement of the existence of gods until sufficient evidence can be presented. It is natural, rational, and prudent to be skeptical of unsubstatiated claims, especially extraordinary ones. Now would you kindly explain how it is foolish to employ such sketicism? I have never heard a response to this question. Please be the first one that actually reads the question carefully and answers the actual question.

[@smokymountaingirl]

@Jack Brown -The BLIND FAITH argument from Atheist's is laughable.. because even Atheists display "BLIND FAITH".. as so do all humans to some extent. If you get on an airplane and fly in it you have "blind faith" it's going to not fall out of the sky. Sit in a chair? You have blind faith it's not going to break under your weight...

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Claps in Cosmos: "May the Void observe your soul."

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@Jack Brown I know who God is, and I know the end of Divinity.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@G8rfan61 That is the original intent, but... Time muddies the water.

[@cherylmeme8673]

39 years old my 4 year old son was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. I was devastated. He went thru many tests & we ended up at Long Beach memorial. Because of the type of RA he would probably be crippled and possibly blind. He had many specialists. I prayed & 🙏. My pastor anointed him with oil & laid hands on him & 🙏. Several weeks later he was healed. All of his doctors were stumped. His primary doc was Jewish. When I told him God healed him he said well that answers it. Praise Jesus our God heals

[@tinabrown9958]

Yes, Glory to God hallelujah 🙌

[@wakawaka8736]

Amen. =)

[@rodgers731]

Praise God!

[@Earthtime3978]

But why only select people? Other people pray that same prayer .

[@sandman1133]

​@@Earthtime3978 if you give money to a person in need and I tell you that you need to give to this other person in need you'd probably say it's your money and you will use it how you see fit...that's how God's grace works. God is not indebted to anyone and therefore doesn't HAVE to give to anyone but he gives freely...but however He sees fit

[@christalonepodcast]

Wow 😳 I have no words 😶 thank you to the 3 gentlemen that remained respectful.

[@jrose93]

What a wild ride, well worth watching and the end was just despicable…

[@anthonyhamlin16]

As a Christian I gotta admit I have a lot of respect for Ellis who at least tried to have a reasonable debate. I could tell Clark was upset while looking for answers but going about it in a childish way. I could also see how uncomfortable he was making Ellis lol, like "Bro chill I'm on your side but relax". Ellis kept his cool the whole time. God bless him!

[@rileyspence1403]

You’re doing drugs for sure dude wouldn’t shut up for a big portion of the first part!!! You’re calling yourself a Christian and you can’t even be honest with what’s was CLEARLY in the video.

[@Sonoftheking77]

Yeah, I felt kinda bad for Ellis. Seems like a nice guy. “Forgive then father, for they know not what they do.”

[@chrissmith3319]

His background of a Mormon while not Christian got him close enough to God to at least understand ethics and respect better than Mr. Grumpy

[@silverback802]

@@Sonoftheking77 I'm sorry but when Ellis referred to god as a monster I nearly lost my mind

[@CornerstoneMinistry316]

I agree he at least TRIED to make his side, though mislead and ignorant as it is.

[@Afellowsheep92]

I love how the mediator for this debate just gave up 😂😂😂 poor guy. James White, and Jeff Durbin showed a lot of restraint and self control. Kudos to them and may God bless them.

[@DouglasHamiltonProductions]

I didn't see two atheist, I saw two men, one is very sad and confused, the other is utterly angry and bitter.

[@jerryappleton6855]

Ellis was genuinely open to discussion, being his first debate. Yet his answers proved what Dr White and Jeff were saying: an Atheist doesn't believe in good or evil, have no basis for Truth and contradict their own world view: saying there is only matter but logic and numbers are immaterial realities. They are confused and admitted it with their own answers.

[@TheDukeveen]

Like all atheïst do :)

[@JamesRichardWiley]

The other two are lost in a mental delusion of their own making.

[@deliadelgado3364]

I wish I could just give them both a big loving godly hug... Clark looks like he has a lot of baggage, he may feel God has abandoned him. And the other, well he used to be part of a cult, give him a break, white and Jeff will get him right after the debate, Lord willing. Prayers!

[@madmax5925]

Very angry. And disrespectful.

[@djkostya76]

This is a great example of what you eventually become if you are an atheist. Good job Dr. Clark!

[@nickjones5435]

Yep and what you become as a Christian. I.E. a dishonest, morally bankrupt charlatan who has to deny reality!

[@user-ok3rr2uk4z]

You’re saying god forces everyone to be a Christian or else they are evil or something? I don’t think that’s how it works but ok…

[@djkostya76]

@@user-ok3rr2uk4z God doesn’t force anybody. To say that is to say contradiction . Freedom cannot force someone to be free.

[@d4652]

“People fear what they don't understand and hate what they can't conquer.” and this man is angry and terrified.

[@nickjones5435]

Yeah I think the whole christian religion is based on exploiting that fear of death in people isnt it? And the charlatan preachers here want to exploit that to line their own pockets dont they? No wonder clark was angry. He was surprisingly restrained in the circumstances. Why are Christians so dishonest and morally bankrupt? I

[@r.kevindaly2439]

Green shirt dude is really mad at something he doesn't even believe.Think he's quite crazy, but I'll still pray for him.

[@boowhoo6412]

Fr I’m disgusted tbh...he needs a LOOOOOT of prayer..and it made me mad when he called God godzilla

[@tawandachristopher]

It’s quite common amongst atheists

[@winburna852]

Yep, you'd think that they should change their name to something else that describes what they either believe in or believe to be true. They should just spend their time and energy (not that I fully encourage it lol) promoting what they believe. So since they keep attacking Christian theology, their anger is their evidence of an anger toward God (which they are sadly blinded too).

[@quantumjackass4363]

@@tawandachristopher Its because your religion is antihumanist. And honestly stupid when logic is applied. I'm not even an atheist. I'm a pagan. I believe in both science and what it has yet to research. And I still think the same they do. You're all living in the past. Religion no longer serves the betterment of the human race. And i share the perspective that its all controlling bullshit.

[@patriciahooper9445]

he's demonically possessed

[@cheryldickerson4369]

I feel so sorry for the Dr in the green shirt. The reason why he said "show me" so many times especially at the end was because he is desperate for God. It was like he was pleading with the Christians. I will be praying for this man! The only one who can show him is God.

[@kimberleerivera1483]

Thank you! Yes, he truly is desperate, and needs The LORD JESUS CHRIST! He is looking for a "sign" instead of seeking GOD with all his heart, mind, soul and strength!!! He acted as though he as a demonic possession.

[@Demonoicgamer666]

He asked why they couldn’t prove that Thor doesn’t exist, pastor Jeff and the guy in the black blazer could not even answer that his question.

[@iainclark4835]

Don't be sorry for Dr Clark.......he is frustrated by the fact educated people still think a "god" exists. Just like some people in Britain think we need a monarchy ......

[@user-rf2tn8mk3f]

​@@Demonoicgamer666 Its not up to Christians to prove Thor doesn't exist because Christians are not claiming he does. Its up to the atheist to prove him existing or not. Christians are only claiming the existence of the God of the Bible. There is rational evidence to believe in the God of the Bible such as complex creation and verifiable history. You don't find this with Thor.

[@nice-man793]

Jesus is our Shepard, when he loses one of his sheep if leaves to find that sheep. I believe that Jesus will bring that man back and forgive him.

[@jcrodri3]

A similar debate like this caused me to reconsider my faith as i was an atheist for over 30 years, i wonder if these guys realize this type of anger really makes you question how he could be so angry, there has got to be something to this, then you find truth, god bless

[@DRayL_]

I was a Christian for over 30 years, but left that belief system through my own investigations and introspection. Nothing in this debate causes me to "reconsider religion". That someone was unhinged only speaks to that one person. Why he was unhinged is an aspect of his own story.

[@ashari7545]

Jeff I love how at 1:25:5 I hear you whisper "I'm just gonna preach the gospel." Dude, I love that and thank God for that.

[@shagen1981]

That was my favorite part ❤

[@Kuticul]

just shows how rigid and pretentious those Christians are, he doesn't want to know the truth, he just wanted to preach his gospel assuming he's already got all the right answers

[@meghanfain4037]

Best part of this debate!

[@timsharpe6652]

I didn't hear him say that the first time . So thanks for that 😁

[@Charles.Wright]

@@Kuticul - what truth?

[@AlexanderosD]

"The vexation of a fool is known at once, but the prudent ignores an insult." "If a wise person goes to court with a fool, the fool rages and scoffs, and there is no peace."

[@alvarovargasbang-wutang8461]

I don't argue with a fool because those from a distance won't know who's who

[@0nionsHaveL4yers]

Do the both of you feel intelligent?

[@RoySamuel]

So apt... Thanks for quoting these...

[@todspeerii7498]

Alex Duncan yes

[@kedduff1814]

Ultra Hipster I believe they do.

[@chrisdoe2659]

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John not sounding like Middle Eastern names might be the flimsiest argument that I've ever heard in my life.

[@chrisdoe2659]

I was wrong. The coin flip thing is the flimsiest argument that I've ever heard in my life.

[@nickjones5435]

Not really chris. It means they're names merely attributed to stories from totally anonymous authors! I.e. they're just pitiful hearsay from anonymous, superstitious, ignorant primitive peasents. Why the hell would us decent people believe any of THAT?

[@Bingchilling667]

@@nickjones5435 you claim to be decent ? And then in other replies you mock peoples beliefs? Where is the consistency sir?

[@supportsniper4626]

​@@Bingchilling667beliefs =/= arguments against other people's beliefs

[@swisscheeseplease97]

@@supportsniper4626yeah but there is a delicate and respectful way that you can refer to someone’s belief. Atheists don’t know how to be respectful toward Christian perspective.

[@methuselahbar-enoch3332]

Dr. Clark, is it heat or light? Is it intimidation or arguing with a clear understanding of your opponent? Where was the strength in your debate? In your walking all over the room? You showed your weakness.

[@Thefrogsaint]

It’s amazing how angry the doc was at someone he claimed doesn’t exist…that’s irony

[@DRayL_]

You cannot summarize his performance as "angry at a god". At a system? Certainly.

[@Open2Reason]

@@DRayL_ His anger is his argument. Not very rational.

[@DRayL_]

@@Open2Reason Probably not rational. But the "why" cannot be known unless he comes out and states it.

[@COFFEEMAMMI]

The antifreeze part 😆 what a crazy man.

[@trapG0LD710]

​@@Open2Reason I hear voices in my head that tells me to do God's work. ( Christian rationality )

[@user-zd3ns6wx7y]

I have listened to a lot of similar debates. That atheist was by far the angriest I’ve heard in a formal debate. He stayed on the attack. Being so angry against something you don’t believe is rather absurd.

[@DRayL_]

You can be mad at concepts...or more so....what those concepts do to others, and how those others work to impose those beliefs onto those who don't share them. Such as what religions does. But opposing it,...even being angry about it doesn't mean "anger at a god entity".

[@JohnjOcampo]

​@@DRayL_so you are mad at other humans who believe in God? Very childish if i do say so myself.

[@DRayL_]

@@JohnjOcampo Don't put words in _my_ mouth. I never claimed to be angry/mad at all. I was stating what _some_ people would be mad at. So you're wrong here.

[@JohnjOcampo]

@@DRayL_ oh ok so you're not mad but it is obvious most atheist do get angry with those of a different faith. To the point of wanting to cause them harm or cancel them in some shape or form.

[@DRayL_]

@@JohnjOcampo They often get mad because of how the "religious right" work very hard at promoting their beliefs and pushing them onto others who don't share those beliefs. They're working to get very right leaning people into city, state, and federal seats of authority, and have a disgust for that which many are fine with [gay marriage, abortion, trans rights, etc.], and try to legislate "morality" [their "morality"] onto those who don't share those convictions. That tends to anger people greatly. And in turn, why Christianity draws in a lot of anger towards itself. As for "wanting to cause harm or cancel",...this isn't the way it should be handled, of course. Being violent or even dismissive of others just propagates the divide between people. It is a failing of the human species, even up to our present time, that too many people _do_ act/react very childish in many areas of life. I don't want to make this any longer than I need to. Anyway, thanks for the reply.

[@rachelzuniga5300]

I’ve been struggling because I raised atheist. But listen to this atheist guy is definitely pushing me quickly closer to GOD and Jesus🙏🏼

[@nickjones5435]

Thats a very interesting perspective as it had the total opposite effect on me. Why would having 2 charlatans exposed as being incapable of supporting their claims of a god and so needing to resort to childish word games, enhance your belief in a god that, I'm guessing, you can't provide credible evidence of either?

[@DRayL_]

Don't look at other people to determine what you believe. Do research on your own. A lot of it! Take the time.

[@DianaPrevilus]

I pray you run to Jesus, He loves you! He has a purpose and plan for you!

[@nickjones5435]

@Diana Previlus Lol Why is it that whenever Christians make absurd, ridiculous, proposterous claims like that you can never back them up? 😑 You always run like a scalded cat when asked to support your outlandish absurd claims because all you're doing is repeating the rhetoric of charlatan preachers! Does prayer work? If it does, don't waste it on me, please pray for an end to childhood poverty and the war in Ukraine overnight. If those things don't happen then we'll know that an omnipotent omnibenevolent OMNIPRESENT god does not exist. And please present credible evidence that Jesus loves me or is it just the sickening sophistry used to socially control the simple minded? If you run away from those two questions just think to yourself that CLEARLY your religion, book and claims have absolutely no validity whatsoever!

[@nickjones5435]

@Diana Previlus BELIEVERS. Take a moment to think of all the things you would do if you were a god. The lives you would save and improve.The children you'd stop from suffering and dying. Children you'd stop from abuse. Tge women you'd stop from being raped. How much better would the world be? Then think why your god hasn't done those things. 😢😢😢

[@Wewillwin10]

If you have to be told, observe the anger and attempts of posturing and intimidation. That’s the sign of a weak man, living a broken, bitter life. It’s sad and I pray for God to soften his heart and heal his soul.

[@christianjasso2220]

The patience that both of the Christians had was amazing. I was losing my mind just trying to listen. I would have lost it if I were there in person.

[@jaredhammonds8255]

That may have been their goal.

[@objectivereality1392]

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." Galatians 5:22-23

[@teryarty177]

You should see pastor Ray Comfort preaching to a Buddhist monk if you appreciate patience.

[@larzekoert]

in the word it says "be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry", they very clearly applied the word in the debate.

[@grasser82]

That's exactly what Satan would want to happen

[@sallymcmurray949]

My 6 month premature new born daughter grew lungs and her temperature raised over night after her pastor and grandfather layed hands on her because she was suppose to die. She is now in her 30's & has 4 children of her own. I know miracles!

[@ByronRadstyle]

Praise God ❤

[@ralphmuniz2470]

It's never too late God loves you

[@chriscrilly8807]

Witnessing an event for which you have no explanation does not indicate anything other than that you don't understand what happened. You didn't have an explanation for your daughter's recovery, therefore god. Ridiculous. This is the fallacy known as "the argument from ignorance." In ancient times people did not know what caused thunder and lightning. So they ascribed those phenomena to the anger of their deities. Later someone figured out how these events work and what causes them. No need for a god there. There are countless examples of ignorance followed by careful research followed by explanations of erstwhile mysterious phenomena. This is what we call science. It is a very simple extrapolation from the dawning of understanding of anything to the assumption that, given enough time and hard work, scientists and other serious researchers will explain further mysteries. Scientists and atheists have no vested interest in proving that god doesn't exist. No honest scientist or atheist worthy of the title has ever claimed that god does not exist or did not cause anything or anybody to exist. On the other hand, at no time has a scientist ever concluded that a god ever did anything or indeed ever existed. Why? Because so far, no evidence has been presented for such a phenomenon. Scientists and atheists simply don't know whether a god or gods exist. And, by the way, neither do you or I. The reason: lack of evidence. An honest scientist and an honest atheist will simply say that he or she remains unconvinced of anything: god, gravity, string theory, the "god particle" you name it, until presented with credible evidence. This is not a complicated principle. The faith-based claims, the appeals to biblical sources, tales of miraculous healings are simply assertions, claims, interpretations of scripture, wishful thinking. They are not evidence of anything beyond the ignorance and simple-mindedness of the claimant. As has been said by greater minds than mine: Faith is an unreliable path to truth. The two atheists in this debate are disarmingly modest with their claims to knowledge and admissions when they do not know. True, one of them was an irritating wild card (not that this invalidates his position-it simply makes for an unproductive rant). The two apologists in this debate are clearly educated, articulate, dignified and forceful speakers. It became clear that such intellectual window-dressing, while civilised and cordial, tried (and failed) to pass as wisdom or even useful knowledge. The deafeningly loud clatter of presuppositional apologetics that was the foundation of their arguments disqualified them both from being taken seriously. And that is something neither of them seemed to understand. It simply undermined every statement either of them made, notwithstanding the arrogant teflon which coated everything they said.

[@marlenehibiskus]

my son had atopic eczema all over his body as toddler. It was awful and he was suffering. One day he was laying on my lap full of eczema and I felt so sorry for him and his pain and said: God, I beg you, if somebody has to have it, give it to me but heal my baby. A few days later his skin was clear and it started to flare up on my skin.

[@justinabajian1087]

That’s amazing for you.

[@keepthechange2811]

Wow Dr Clark is super smart. To make claims about multiple books he hasn't studied or read!!!! Stunning and brave!

[@AndrewEng]

You're going to need a sarcasm disclaimer for this one, it's the internet after all haha. The last 5 minutes of this video with him in anger was actually hard to watch. Like elementary school all over again.

[@davena4Jesus]

I am an evidence based apostolic I have felt the goodness of God. My dad gets yelling at me like those men. It's crazy. When I'm in such a better place Jesus came and changed my heart. Not only that but he has came hugged me in my worst times. I wouldn't be alive today with out God!!!

[@eradian1]

I recently had the same thing with my uncle. I've been a believer for my whole life, but I never had faith. I recently told him about my faith and got into an unfortunate conversation about all kinds of nonsense about religion. No regard for the positive and good changes in my life, just pure concern over Christians in history being hypocrites while dismissing anyone who did wrong that was an atheist as somehow being a Christian. Even Karl "religion is the opiod of the masses" Marx was actually raised a Catholic or something and therefore Christianity is bunk. Same thing with hitler, mao, stalin, and lenin all "avid Christians" living out the values of Christ. Just pray and be patient.

[@richardgregory3684]

Feelings aren't evidence.

[@Manydaysmore]

They are suffering and taking it out on others who found happiness

[@jexodustalks]

I never Thought I could become even more of a believer in the word and a christ lover until seeing and hearing someone like Dr. Clark speak, he truly shows the hardened heart, the ramblings and gnashing teeth of the wicked. I truly hope he answers the call and turns from the wickedness that is in him right now, so much anger, so much force and in your face, not a decent bone in his body.

[@DRayL_]

How someone else acts should never play a role in how you view the world. And in no way has anyone acted in a way that proves "a god entity is real". Not the worst person, nor the most pious.

[@devadasn]

@@DRayL_ that’s a silly statement. Of course you can change your world view based on someone’s actions. Actions can have positive or negative effects on your worldview. As with any human interaction.

[@DRayL_]

@@devadasn Sorry, I shouldn't have used "never" in my comment. As a general rule, people should based their worldview upon many things, not just how other people are acting.

[@thebigmac01]

@@DRayL_Jesus did.

[@DRayL_]

@@thebigmac01 The Jesus of the gospel accounts, IMO, read like fiction....so I would not consider those as real.

[@adrianlopez8919]

I love how the dude in the green doesn’t believe yet he’s going crazy for no reason bc Jeff is flaming him with things he can’t reason against

[@fbee6844]

👌

[@jareddoddtheblessedfamily]

If they showed him a miracle at the end, he would have found an excuse to dismiss it.

[@cslewis1404]

Haha

[@Levi-cn8xu]

My thoughts exactly

[@monkewithinternetaccess6107]

I’m an atheist. I mean it when I say I’ll believe in god when given concrete evidence. It’s a shame that no such evidence has ever been proposed.

[@chriscrawl3732]

@@monkewithinternetaccess6107 what type of "concrete evidence" would suffice? Most people that say such things are lying.

[@monkewithinternetaccess6107]

@@chriscrawl3732 Video evidence. Irl evidence. Any convincing implication whatsoever that he’s real. I’ll wait

[@SuperBossGiovanni]

Ellis probably should have stopped Clark from talking. All he did was make himself look deranged and didn't actually add anything to the discussion. I feel bad that a man could be so angry and vitriolic. Kudos to the the other three for being calm and rational in their debating.

[@seenogodspeaknogodhearnogo4531]

Exactly what religion always does; "shut up I am right". That is called self righteousness.

[@shamonkhan9625]

Poor Dan Ellis was squashed under the sheer hatred, arrogance, anger, and abrupt behaviour of Dr. Clark. It would be nice to speak with Dan Ellis without Dr. Clark

[@markw480]

So the atheist is arrogant !? He's not the one claiming a supernatural entity exists that created the universe.. He's the one shouting down a stupid claim that deserves a direct attack on it's foolishness. Wake up your Santa in the sky is not real..

[@Spazticspaz]

@@markw480 One's character speaks. The man offers nothing but hate and an unclean spirit to his followers. Arrogance and anger.

[@Let_The_Foolish_Take_The_Lead]

Even then, the basis for his arguments are amateur as well. If you do not study the position of your opponent, you cannot hope to beat them. They try to use the bible they don't understand to disprove the bible they don't understand. For example, claiming God can't or won't heal lost limbs and other damaged or removed anatomy simply because God doesn't operate as he thinks he ought to, that's not an argument.

[@45calebt]

@@markw480 No serious Christian, Jew or Muslim believes that God is, in His divine nature, spatially located in the sky.

[@Wigz12]

@@markw480like evolution everything came from nothing with magic

[@omahafamilychiro]

About one hour into this thing… Jeff Durbin‘s ability to debate and lead a person through logical Q&A is incredible. Way to go brother!

[@ParleyPCat]

I agree! Jeff is really good at manipulation. I was taught this same technique as a missionary. Basically, you have the person agree with you on something small and then you smuggle in the greater thing you want them to agree to, by leading them to the conclusion: since you agree with me on “X”, you certainly will agree with me on “Y”. This often works the first time, but if it doesn’t you “resolve their doubts” by putting pressure on them by reminding them that they agree with you on “X” until they concede to “Y”. This technique is also great in sales. Cheers!

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

@@ParleyPCat You mean like the fantasy of evodelusion ("evolution") is pushed on vulnerable young minds in schools across the world? That manipulation, indeed, by the atheist cult elite.

[@ParleyPCat]

Liberty and Justice Yes, exactly! This technique will work on almost anyone when done correctly.

[@Harpazo_to_Yeshua]

@@ParleyPCat So what do you believe in? Do you know Jesus?

[@j0hncon5tantine]

@Parley Do you think this technique is why people jump on board in calling themselves an atheist? What made you want to stop being a missionary? What religion were you in and why did you leave? Do you call yourself an atheist.....?

[@SimonWartanian]

Legend has it that he is still saying, "Show me!"

[@owenscustoms]

Dude lol

[@royaltv6177]

☺😊☺

[@danielmcnish6555]

Romans 1:28 - For they/'wicked" fail to (retain) "God's Word= Christ in "knowledge" ,God (handed them over) to a "Reprobate Mind"= cursed by God. Many many cursed "Reprobates" in the world as only "few" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Not many people following Christ = "God's word" (John 1:14) incarnate. Man should not eat by bread alone but by "every single "word" of God that IS Christ. Who's following Christ = "Word" in being able to "retain" knowledge = "Made Manifested" unto becoming a "new creature" in/of/by/through Christ unto Galatians 2:20 & John 3:3 coalition "Reproof" through Diety Doctrine= God's Ordinance! "Faith Come" (by hearing) & (hearing by) The "word" of God, full of power & truth! The key to "change" is "Receiving" the Imputation of God's Righteousness through Christ through "Word"=Christ! Many many wicked can never come to this knowledge because their "deeds" are evil , & thus God cursed them into a Romans 1:28 Reprobate status of cursedness. All glory is God's. Theologian/Evangelist.

[@hagztanz9628]

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[@IowaRonin]

First miracle: the entire universe began to exist from nothing. Second miracle: life began to exist from nothing but chemicals. Third miracle: consciousness and awareness of morality and even awareness of time. That dude needs to first define "miracle". He can then be shown a multitude of them.

[@WhyteRook2323]

This is more theatre than a discussion between intellectuals who speak to support their position rather than attack others.

[@nickjones5435]

I must agree. Durbin and white totally de-railed the conversation by ignoring the topic and resorting to childish word games. I'm not surprised clark was livid!

[@Panda7-am]

@@nickjones5435couldn’t agree more and I’m not atheist. He had every right to be upset and the pastor did all he could to belittle and rile him up.

[@lettuceveggie418]

“Show me!” he says.. I think he is very little angry and very much desperate. Feels like he desperately wants to be proven how wrong he is. I almost felt like he was going to start crying.. Oh God be merciful and show him.. that he too may feel your love and peace and glorify You .

[@khatidjakhan792]

Amen

[@domenicklil]

Amen..I thought the same thing.

[@scratchcat81]

My thoughts exactly

[@hagztanz9628]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/haTSeKd3qc2IbM0

[@rongopaihiku369]

Amen, thank you I needed to see that let us pray🙏🕊

[@TheToxicGunn3r]

Dude the guy in green literally lost me before it even began. He’s emotional, aggressive, complaining about the debate, hand waiving, etc… He has no composure and sounds like a madman.

[@nickjones5435]

I think he's livid at tge blatant dishonesty of the christians and having their time wasted by childish word games when they came to DEBATE.

[@lowkey5854]

Absolutely

[@annapainter1732]

He is weird and he’s mad because he knows he’s wrong

[@sparklink2]

It's funny that the doctor who is supposed to be the one speaking logically is the one acting so ignorant and purposefully disrespectful.

[@Chaxar]

The theists are disrespectful because they start asking questions when they have no answers. Also, the definition of ignorant means 'lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated' he has more knowledge and education on actual science, meaning things that actually happen around us not what someone just says.

[@Chaxar]

@Techno Algebra and you are implying that absolute truth even exists. The only truth that can be considered correct is something that is provable. The theists state that morality and logic exist because god exists is an implication, ie: a presupposition fallacy, because they haven't even proven a possibility of god. (You cant logically say: "Logic and numbers exist in the universe. My God created the universe. Therefore God exists." Why, you ask? Because this presupposes that the universe was created The theists are incorrect to state that because numbers and logic would exist if humans didn't, that this is an argument for an incorporeal god. As a mater of fact, this is actually a logical proof that god only exists as a human construct because humans thought him up, just like numbers and logic. Numbers and logic, as we know them, would not exist with out humans. But the ability for an intelligent species to think of a concept like numbers, or and logic, or a god is an emergent property of intelligence. The sad truth is that arguing about god's existence, i think imho, equates to arguing about the existence of numbers. Both created by humanity to explain the world around us. Only that one can be objectively shown to have merit in the world that we live in, ie: we can count and number things that exist. The other cannot be shown to have objective merit, since there is no proof of god, miracles can be and have been logically/naturally explained, plus the Bible is full of inaccuracies as far as the observable world is concerned. Not to mention that there are many more older and more popular religions than Christianity that also have no proof of god's existence. In other words: Non-corporal concepts exist as an emergent property of intelligence, and not as proof of a non-corporal god.

[@gtabraham3454]

@@Chaxar What's the alternative to creationism?

[@Chaxar]

@@gtabraham3454 Good question. IMHO 1. Accepting the humbling reality that we don't really have proof of what happened before the big bang or what happens after death, and we may never know. 2. Accepting that we humans are responsible for our own actions. That there is no supernatural source demanding us do good or tricking us into evil. Instead, we humans are the source of good and evil. That we must study morality and remember we are the cause of it. To create community without the need for child indoctrination. To build on family and not live in fear of excommunication because of contradictory claims. 3. Re-defining the 'soul' as the brain emergent consciousness of an individual as a non-corporal concept. A description of the self that encompasses emotion and morality, not some eternal magical life force. 4. Re-defining 'god' as an emergent non-corporal concept of intelligence that is a framework of what individuals, and humanity as a whole, should strive to achieve. To view the statment 'god is love' as a universal standard to be achieved by humanity, not as an outside entity demanding eternal slaves or granting eternal damnation.

[@Chaxar]

@Bigtombowski Only to the extent that one can reach the top of Mt Everest by means of talking about it. Plans can be made, experience can be learned, but it is not actually climbed until you reach the top. And so in the same way truth is only reached when the facts and proofs are actually met. When you can show it then you can know it. Just philosophizing about something is not the same as climbing the mountain.

[@melanierollins508]

Can’t get over the anger that Dr Clark has, think that speaks volumes

[@WalkWithFaith7]

Man if I wasn’t already a follower of my lord Jesus Christ after this debate I would be!! Great job pastors

[@spicatree]

Here's my comment: The light exposed the dark.

[@boouyayme]

Yes the dark that used god throughout history to kill and oppress.

[@klh768]

The dark exposed itself..

[@deehope9477]

Amen!!

[@godstuffs7385]

@Nok Ko lol, you think you're the light?

[@theflower4348]

A Saints Way To Live according to the Encyclopedia of warfare out of all wars in the past 10,000 years, only 2% of those wars were caused by non Islamic religions

[@rickdrop5971]

Jeff - "you are an image bearer of God" Ellis - "God needs to lose some weight" I hope this debate was to show us the low of the lowest of the atheistic behaviors....I hope there is no worst. This was painful but very educational. Thank you Pastor Durbin and Dr. White.

[@justchilling704]

Rick Drop Yeah good debate.

[@jp22344]

Aron Ra shows a similar level of interaction.

[@Horses4life1001]

Claming to be wise, they became fools

[@susie7336]

Rick Drop His self deprecating comment is evidence of this being a desperate cry to Jesus go save him.

[@dogelife7901]

@@susie7336 it's admission he his not using his image to glorify God.

[@melchysomba9690]

Many Atheists converted to Christianity because of this debate Thanks, Clark

[@DRayL_]

Please provide the evidence to support this assertion. _Nothing_ Durbin or White said had any veracity to it. If people "stop being an atheist because of Dr. Clark", then they had no stance to claim being "an atheist" as all.

[@melchysomba9690]

@@DRayL_ Make me

[@mariannuckle4737]

Amen!! 💕🙌💕🙌

[@williamringler4949]

Dr. Clark was the best prof of God. I had the same antichrist spirt and God still loved me so much that he sent the Holy Spirit to show me the Truth and l learned that Truth had a name! Iove you JESUS!!

[@rubalcabachris]

God bless you!

[@jasonnoble7814]

RealsAbove Which god are you asking and how do you know it exists ?

[@jasonnoble7814]

Shame on you for lying to children

[@jasonnoble7814]

Aaron James Don't worry ”Hell” doesn't exist one thing that annoys me is you will never know you where wrong People like you are extremely arrogant and believe you know things you don't Just asserting something doesn't mean it is true The Bible is a book written by cruel humans who wanted control of other ignorant humans Your religion like all religions is immoral and nonsensical It's immoral to have someone else take responsibility for your own actions It's also immoral to blame people for the bad deeds of others I'm not guilty of killing anyone especially someone who died before I was alive I refute your assertions Be real here, that's all they are assertions without evidence Shame on you for threatening me with your religions garbage The threat of ”hell” might work on a weak-minded human like you, but it's not going to work on a free-thinking life loving awesome beautiful man like me Because I think for myself and ask questions, like how do we know TRUTH ❗ Shame on you for giving up your integrity You need to learn critical thinking and the scientific method Go research ❗ Christianity is immoral Think free be honest

[@thewalldemonofkentucky1465]

@@jasonnoble7814 I honestly think Christians or any religious person for that matter doesn't have any business debating anything. This presupp apologetics is annoying and frankly dishonest. Their doctrine calls for you to have faith. That is the bedrock to even have this belief. There isn't any evidence If there was they wouldn't need faith. I should say any objective evidence. Personal experience does not qualify because it's a claim that can't be verifiable. They don't even have concrete proof Jesus even existed let alone performing miracles. There are other ancient texts who have had similar things said in them yet they are treated as myth. What is their standard of truth exactly? It's some sort of personal revelation, a "feeling" or "hope." There isn't any reason to debate these things.

[@kacejohnson4099]

At 1:25:05 Jeff whispers "I'm going to preach the Gospel" I love it!😂

[@DRayL_]

Which demonstrates that this "debate" was entirely worthless. It wasn't about what can be shown to be literally factual,...but about opinions.

[@aftermathofgrace7308]

@@DRayL_ Why do you presuppose that the gospel is opinion not factual...

[@DRayL_]

@@aftermathofgrace7308 It isn't a "presupposition". The stories have no legitimate or literal evidence for support. Just people accepting them as "factual". That is their belief system. If the gospel story didn't have aspects of "magic" in it...and the "Jesus" character was just a teacher of the masses, there wouldn't be any reason to question it much.

[@aftermathofgrace7308]

@@DRayL_ You see this is why I call your statement a presupposition. I would like to recommend you a book titled "Miracles the credibility of New Testament accounts" a two volume scholarly work by Craig Keneer. This book states Bible quality modern day miracles as a result of Christian prayer with eyewitness accounts and medical documentation, which makes the western anti supernatural worldview simply not true.

[@DRayL_]

@@aftermathofgrace7308 And I'm supposed to take this book at face value? Here's the thing. I continually see people make _claims_ of the "supernatural", yet I've yet to see any verifiable and documented cases where the explanation was only "because a god exists". And this has nothing at all to do with Biblical claims...which was my original comment.

[@bentonvillefamily]

I bet the guy in the green shirt brought a lot of people to Christ that day.

[@annaborschen2408]

Ryan Hollingsworth didn't take much for them, eh? kinda pathetic to start believing some ridiculous story for such a stupid reason. it's petty af and really has nothing to do with anything, but i guess you all can identify with that.

[@babyaik0]

Sucks I have to listen to their rants just to get to the good parts lol.

[@mofrekinfoe]

Ryan hollingsworth when I was agnostic I don't think the bad behavior of another agnostic or atheist would have been enough to change my mind. If anything, he fit the stereotype that alot of people have about atheists. You know? The anger and bitterness towards anything God or religion?, lol.

[@rustyshadow7]

I bet he got bullied a lot in school... even vacation bible school.

[@jeh32]

I'm an atheist, and I think I agree with you. He was a really bad debater.

[@Five-O-Preacher]

The moment when the big fella realizes he’s saddled with that guy made my year

[@lb9525]

This guy is beyond angry . He needs prayer , hope , and just simple love

[@isaacsandoval9316]

That was how I was when I was an atheist. Angry and bitter. Thank the Lord Jesus Christ for healing my mind and spirit.

[@DRayL_]

Why were you "angry and bitter"? What at/towards?

[@isaacsandoval9316]

@@DRayL_ good question I didn't know at the time. Seems as if I was bitter with god

[@travisbicklepopsicle]

​@@isaacsandoval9316you were bitter with God when you were an atheist? How is that even possible? I don't understand. Atheists don't think any gods exist. How can you be bitter with something or someone if you don't even think that that something or someone is real?

[@isaacsandoval9316]

@@travisbicklepopsicle my bitterness made me an atheist not hard to comprehend

[@travisbicklepopsicle]

@@isaacsandoval9316 no, sorry, I still cannot comprehend :-) Am I misunderstanding you, or did you basically say that when you were atheist you were angry and bitter with God? No big deal :-) it just doesn't make sense that you could be bitter with God at a time in your life when you didn't even think any God existed. .. wait, I think I may have finally comprehended.. you were a believer *first*, and then at some point you became angry and bitter with God, so then you stopped thinking that God even existed? Crap, I don't even know if what I just said makes any sense, nevermind

[@Nottoday454]

Right before the closing arguments Durbin whispers “I’m just going to preach the gospel” 😂 Amen brother.

[@jasonnoble7814]

exactly , lol

[@ce6236]

@Abridgetome Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 KJV

[@Nottoday454]

Abridgetome the reason you speak of comes from your Creator. Chaos does not achieve design. Dr. Clark does not provide any intelligible position and asks and answers his own questions.

[@jasonnoble7814]

Ka Parquer That's the Watchmaker fallacy Just because you call something ”created ” by God doesn't mean it was You have the burden of proof and you have no way to demonstrate your claims You have to prove we humans are the purpose of this universe You have the burden to demonstrate the creator You've lost before you can start talking bud Prove god exists then you can make claims about what it is and has or hasn't done How do you know a creator exists? We have much better answers than the god of the gaps shitty argument from ignorant humans Think free be homest❗

[@ianhutchinson6713]

Jason Noble how can you say be honest when honesty is an attribute of God given to us by God! You sound obsurd in your theories!

[@pghmoore]

I’m all honesty I am so saddened for the ones on the atheist side. The real issue is that they hate God. They do not disbelieve him, they actually hate him. I hope their hearts can change!

[@avo.avocado]

Cant hate what isn’t real

[@yeseniaperez342]

I don't think they hate someone or something particularly. It's more of disliking what they make God out to be. Hate is a bad word and I don't even use it as an athest. I just disagree thats all.

[@gandalfsupreme8800]

​@@avo.avocadocope harder

[@Ruthless9187]

You should feel Sad about those fake christian pastors that think there are three persons in one God . Hashem says oh israel the lord is one . All that trinity crap is pegan roman idolitry

[@gandalfsupreme8800]

@@Ruthless9187 john 1:1

[@LFJ_Official]

“Atheism is a tricky thing because even the demons believed “ - John MacArthur

[@itsJPhere]

So in addition to god, now I would have to believe in demons too? When will it end, should I just believe in everything just in case or how do you decide what is real and what is just imaginary?

[@eskoelmwood5936]

Funny thing,. Can't Satan read?

@J P good question, what in your understanding would you need to believe in exactly to know the truth of God in the bible ??

[@Spazticspaz]

@@itsJPhere Everything the Bible teaches is true. Read it and you'll see the same pattern of how Israel was destroyed is the same pattern that leads to downfall of every nation. Corruption of identity, immoral behavior and corrupted character. Jeremiah 8:12 "Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct? No, they have no shame at all; they DO NOT EVEN KNOW HOW TO BLUSH. So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when they are punished, says the LORD."

[@itsJPhere]

@ I don't understand the question. What do you mean?

[@objectivereality1392]

Doctor Clark is proof that one can do "good things" while simultaneously having absolutely no idea how or why those things are good.

[@DRayL_]

Why are they good...in your opinion?

[@johnyavornitzky5006]

Why does there need to be a reason why to do something good?

[@johnathanmarcelin3959]

@@johnyavornitzky5006 don’t think you understood the comment. Based in dr clark worldview, you don’t know good from bad because there is no basis of morality in the first place. Hope that helps

[@blackvinyl7753]

It’s not even about being good though if all comes down to it, it’s about realizing that you can’t do everything on your own, you don’t have all the answers and realizing that when all goes bad, you have someone to lean on and guide you through your life. And once you realize that that person is the creator of everything and that he wants you back, there’s no turning back… that’s way truer than anything any Harvard scholar can explain….

[@DRayL_]

@@blackvinyl7753 I don't recognize any "creator of everything". I only see it as a story from people who lived long ago.

[@jeremiahyork9707]

The gentlemen in the green shirt needs to take a deep breath.

[@davidhatcher7016]

Yup

[@friendlyfire7509]

And a new heart..

[@davidhatcher7016]

@@friendlyfire7509 he seems weak Ill

[@aznation4592]

He needs help

[@michaelsmith9556]

Jose Sanchez Hardly

[@Milton_Friedmanite]

As someone who’s dealt in the occult as a kid, I can show him if I wanted to.

[@thberger61794]

Clark is so angry a God that it makes my heart hurt. To be an atheist and have so much anger towards a entity he believes does not exist is questionable in itself. Praying for him.

[@JohnStockton7459]

@Free Thinker and yet clark sounded the most ignorant out of all them. If he lets "ignorance" annoy him that much, he actually does need god real or not

[@markrogers7125]

Try that excuse in a court of law...pure ignorance!

[@ErikLiberty]

Christopher Hitchens writes in God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything (pp. 172-173): "Then there is the very salient question of what the commandments do not say. Is it too modern to notice that there is nothing about the protection of children from cruelty, nothing about rape, nothing about slavery, and nothing about genocide? Or is it too exactingly 'in context' to notice that some of these very offenses are about to be positively recommended? In verse 2 of the immediately following chapter, god tells Moses to instruct his followers about the conditions under which they may buy or sell slaves (or bore their ears through with an awl) and the rules governing the sale of their daughters. This is succeeded by the insanely detailed regulations governing oxes that gore and are gored, and including the notorious verses forfeiting 'life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' Micromanagement of agricultural disputes breaks off for a moment, with the abrupt verse (22:18) 'Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.' This was, for centuries, the warrant for the Christian torture and burning of women who did not conform." Richard Dawkins writes in The God Delusion (pp. 23-24): "Imagine, with John Lennon, a world with no religion. Imagine no suicide bombers, no 9/11, no 7/7, no Crusades, no witch-hunts, no Gunpowder Plot, no Indian partition, no Israeli/Palestinian wars, no Serb/Croat/Muslim massacres, no persecution of Jews as 'Christ-killers', no Northern Ireland 'troubles', no 'honour killings', no shiny-suited bouffant-haired televangelists fleecing gullible people of their money ('God wants you to give till it hurts'). Imagine no Taliban to blow up ancient statues, no public beheadings of blasphemers, no flogging of female skin for the crime of showing an inch of it." Here are 78 other reasons why atheists are justifiably angry: www.patheos.com/blogs/barrierbreaker/why-im-angry-an-antitheists-78-reasons/

[@menknurlan]

@@ErikLiberty why be angry about it? What does it even matter if people slaughter each other in atheism? Morals and meaning are absent anyway. Its survival of the fittest right? So who cares if one nation destroys the other. The strongest survived. All part of the evolutionairy plan right?

[@jrrgotmemes8835]

Atheists hold to two key principles. 1. God doesn't exist 2. I hate him

[@amop369]

"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." ~ Albert Einstein

[@davidhatcher7016]

Cool

[@albertjames804]

"Mark, Luke, John, you really think there were names like these running around 2000 years ago?" He does realize that those are translations of the Jewish names right?

[@andrewtaylor1737]

I don't think he does.

[@albertjames804]

@@andrewtaylor1737 i wish he did, so he wouldn't make such an argument only a 14 year old kid would make up, and the guy has a whole doctorate.

[@katlyn214]

He probably does. But he wants to impress a meaningless and artificial argument in the minds of the impressionable.

[@katlyn214]

They're like Rumpelstilskin stomping a hole in the floor. The Christians have clear and concise debate. And Science? Christians believe God created Science. Atheists think amoeba eventually came up with coherent thought.

[@albertjames804]

@@katlyn214 hahaha "amoeba came up with coherent thought" so when Jeff said "you believe fish can become philosophers" thats basically what he meant.