Apostolic Churches family tree

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

To all the Anglicans saying "what about us" keep in mind that I specifically defined "Apostolic" as churches which claim to be the ONE TRUE CHURCH which Anglicans never have. This is not a graph of churches that have bishops

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

Cool

[@NorthumbrianNationalist]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 and cos theyre not apostolic

[@Samitchmeister]

Old Catholics maintain similar ecclesiology to Anglicans, that being the retention of Apostolic succession of bishops and that there are other apostolic churches preserving the faith Catholic outside their communion

[@HolyCommissar]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 So you defined apostolic churches by not using the definition of apostolic. Extremely unhelpful and, one could venture to say, misleading.

[@NorthumbrianNationalist]

@@HolyCommissar it doesnt matter cos these are the only apostolic churches anyway

[@scottyyoch3537]

We all know that Pastor Jim's Bible Church, KJV Only, is the one true church

[@Broedy-t5y]

😂

[@VancouverInvestor]

Lol...the good ol' drive by heresyarch.

[@scottyyoch3537]

@@VancouverInvestor Drive through communion is in the works (Grape juice only)

[@spiffygonzales5160]

JEB FORREST O' THUH SOUTH CAROLINA CONGREGATION!!! I dun' brought me some 300 good ol bois!

[@NibiMatsi]

That's correct. We are greatly indebted to Athanasius of Alexandria who defended the Church against Arius, who tried to introduce the NIV to the Church

[@Philx.v]

Arianism is not dead, just rebranded as jehova witness.

[@fighterofthenightman1057]

That’s an insult to Arians. While heretical, their theology was much more sophisticated than the JWs.

[@taylorwickham]

​@fighterofthenightman1057 and (most) Arian bishops actually believed what they taught. The JW Watchtower, on the other hand, is just a bunch of charlatans.

[@elKarlo]

It’s worse than that. 73% of evangelicals believe that Jesus is a created lesser being than the Father. Arianism is so back. Just wait a few generations of people growing up this way to come of age.

[@Deathbytroll]

A lot of evangelicals and some Calvinists as well

[@jacobhilderman]

JW are not apostolic though

[@justagreekhistorian]

I honestly never understood the "True" Orthodox Churches, like can you imagine standing before God and He just goes "So you used the New Calender, that's a ticket to hell" like ???

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

yes

[@danshakuimo]

New Calendar is the slippery slope to turning gay (probably)

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

@@justagreekhistorian imagine sending someone to hell over not kissing a picture now. The absurdity of Nicea II

[@dametheswordsaint232]

@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty its a refusal to kiss icons

[@almango873]

There are Orthodox Churches in communion with each other who still use the Julian Calendar (mostly the ones that use Slavic liturgy). It's not as simple as the break described above. Some churches use Gregorian dates for this like Christmas and other days venerating various Saints, but still use the Julian dates for Easter. It's complicated and I'm not sure why the True Orthodox Church remains separate. It seems a silly issue to divide over when a lot of Churches still use the "Old Calendar".

[@fallenkingdom-zd8xh]

Gotta love how the Sedevacantists have an upside down cross which represents St. Peter the first Pope and that they reject Papal authority.

[@sebastijank98]

There is a lot of diversity of views among Sedevacantists. Almost none of them reject Papal authority as a concept, they just reject that the current pope (and usually all popes since Vatican II) is the true pope

[@neoturfmasterMVS]

@@sebastijank98 Catholic Protestants

[@dennistennis2225]

Mel Gibsonites!

[@billbadson7598]

@@neoturfmasterMVS A little different. Sedevacantists don't deny the primacy of the ROLE of the Bishop of Rome, only that the one currently occupying that role is doing so falsely/in name only. Protestants would deny the primacy of the role itself, no matter who was occupying it.

[@filiprohn1643]

@@billbadson7598 Protestatn catholics would be the old catholics

[@giovan483]

You did a great job on the orthodox side, I would just like to add that the old calendarists also separated due to political reasons, feeling that churches that cooperated with the russian and greek governments during times of persecution betrayed the faith.

[@almango873]

I thought there must be more to it than that, as a lot of the Orthodox Churches that remain in communion with each other still use the Old Calendar

[@Deathbytroll]

@@almango873 there is but the politics are also a big part of it

[@francaisenbulgarie]

It is not just political, if it was administrative political, like the many protestant denominations across different countries, there will be a communion, which is not the reality. No communion together = the other church is anathema = they have no salvation. 2 John1:8-11

[@NoFace-Killah]

True Orthodox sounds like the eternally online LARPer's who couldn't describe to you what a blade of grass looks like.

[@bentleyepic1731]

no, it sounds like "True Orthodox"

[@MarkStein-o7u]

The Calendar is so big of a deal for orthodox, that even protestants accepted Pope Gregorian Calendar that fixed ou calendar, but Orthodox refused to do it. Then when they finally decided to update their calendar they didnt adopt the gregorian, but instead they created the reformed Julian calendar. The difference between the Julian and the Gregorian calendar is that in 3500 years in the future they will be 1 day past each other. Yes thats how much Orthodox are petty.

[@CliffCardi]

Pope: Just so you know, I am the leader of the Christian Church. Orthodox Patriarchs: “First among equals, right?” Pope: …….. Orthodox Patriarchs: “You’re the first among equals. Right?”

[@VancouverInvestor]

You just summed up the last 1000 yrs. 😞

This is the real reason for the split. Filioque was just an excuse.

[@oggolbat7932]

Pretty much

[@MarkStein-o7u]

actually historians point to 3 reasons. Ceasopapism (Bizantine Emperor was acting as their Pope for many centuries for eastern churches) Iconoclastism (Islam influenced many churches to destroy their icons, and the West was very strong on claiming the icons part of the faith and Then the Filioque So Orthdox and Catholics were getting apart before the Filioque

​@@MarkStein-o7u None of those was actual reason for the split. Real reason was a dispute over churches in south Italy, being subjected to pope Authority, and made adopt Latin mass, which angered the patriarch of Constantinople, because those churches were under his authority before. So he protested, and legate was sent to smooth things over, but he made things worse, by excommunicating the patriarch (without Pope's approval). This excommunication was ruled void, recently, as it was unlawful, but the schism is not yet mended because of centuries of conflict cannot be easily resolved.

[@duartepereira9400]

One true Catholic apostolic church

[@SensiblyCatholic]

It’s also worth noting that the Chaldean Catholic Church came to Rome from the Church of the East.

[@RJDJ__]

And the Syro Malabar Church

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

0:00 video starts here

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

true!

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

Thank you 🙏

[@timothyngo]

TRUTH NUKE

[@francaisenbulgarie]

Thank you

[@johns123]

Thanks this saved me some time

[@knightrider585]

The Councils did not cause splits, heresies caused splits. Some bishops were claiming Jesus was not God and that led to the Council of Nicaea and separate Arian churches. Some bishops claimed the Virgin Mary was the mother of Christ not the Mother of God so that led to the Council of Ephesus and separate Nestorian churches. etc.

[@jdotoz]

Heresies cause councils, and councils almost inevitably lead to schisms since they draw the lines definitively. Before the council the two sides could arguably be in communion, but not after. That's not to say the council causes the schism per se (the schismatics have the ultimate responsibility for that), but it does make the ultimatum that enables schism.

[@drycleanernick7603]

@@jdotozthe schisms are just the same heresies rebranded, slightly tweaked because of another heretical belief gone unnoticed, or left completely the same.

[@ОксанаКульнева-я8щ]

Why do Orthodox Christians say that Catholics and all the churches that separate from them will go to hell? because they distorted what God conveyed through the apostles. Heresy is a lie about God or his actions in the world. This is Blasphemy. The Bible says "heretics will not inherit the kingdom of God" Galatians 5:20

[@ОксанаКульнева-я8щ]

Why do Orthodox Christians say that Catholics and all the churches that separate from them will go to hell? because they distorted what God conveyed through the apostles. Heresy is a lie about God or his actions in the world. This is Blasphemy. The Bible says "heretics will not inherit the kingdom of God" Galatians 5:20

[@knightrider585]

@ОксанаКульнева-я8щ What does the bible say about making up lies on the internet?

[@billbadson7598]

I am reminded how many schisms come about for no reason other than two low-agreeableness, high-autism individuals just disagreeing on the best way to describe in human words concepts which are inherently mysterious and perhaps not perfectly describable in whatever language technology was being utilized at the time.

[@stevecooper7883]

Satan worked division among them as they dug in their dogmatic interpretations

[@crusaderforchrist]

"Wait, you think Jesus' favorite cereal wasn't Frosted Flakes? Yeah, you're a heretic."

[@MarkStein-o7u]

If I were you, I wouldnt be so eager to claim your ancessessors were too dummy that they didnt understand each other despite being in the context. But you 1000 years later with little to none context of the situation claim to have understood perfect well both positions and claim that in reality they all agreed it was just a language barrier misunderstanding.

[@billbadson7598]

@ If you were me, you would claim that. Because you would be me, and those are my opinions. I also believe modern people are equally dumb and not understanding of each other.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

As I always remember it, very Human reasons are responsible for the vast vast majority of splits and denominations, not Scriptural.

[@dh4n4m3zbr00k]

Assyrian lady here from Assyrian church of the east. I came across your channel and watched this video. You did a great job. i really enjoyed it. I look forward to February when you explore the Assyrain church of the East.

[@ОксанаКульнева-я8щ]

Why do Orthodox Christians say that Catholics and all the churches that separate from them will go to hell? because they distorted what God conveyed through the apostles. Heresy is a lie about God or his actions in the world. This is Blasphemy. The Bible says "heretics will not inherit the kingdom of God" Galatians 5:20

[@asentseto]

As an Eastern Orthodox, thanks for talking more about us Apostolic Christians. Just one note - Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox are technically not in communion right now. Also “True Orthodoxy” is a total mess, they have like 100 different synods that all anathematize each other and claim that the others have fallen from grace because they made a compromise with heretics or with the communists and their tiny sect is the only place where you can find salvation. For them the calendar has become an idol and they think that if you celebrate Christmas on the wrong date you’re damned, it’s crazy.

[@PChampoo]

This is not correct , for lay people russian and greek orthodox are still in communion , it's the Russians whom have decided not to commune with greeks , but the greeks have no problem communing with the Russians , the reality is its a patriarch power struggle between Constantinople and Russia for the Churches of Ukraine , it happens before and during the war , and it left a bad taste in the Russian patriarchs mouth , as well as slight "ecumenism" happening on both fronts , where the Constantinople patriarch wants to be the opposite to the Pope , meanwhile the Russian patriarch wants to be likened to the Pope. Old calenderists are still in communion with all eastern orthodox , they just refuse to move to the new scientifically proven calender. The Eastern Orthodox world is not in shambles , it's always been a struggle , God gives us struggle , struggling is good , learn to love one another anyways as Christ taught , but do no be reproached of criticizing other Christians as Paul taught endowed with the Holy spirit , it's what checks us all , prevents heresies etc..

[@almango873]

Very strange. A lot of Eastern Orthodox Churches still use the old Julian Calendar and have no problem with remaining in communion. My Church (which only returned to communion recently due to political issues) uses the Julian Calendar and we celebrate Christmas on Dec 25 according to that calendar, which is currently Jan 7 on the Gregorian Calendar.

[@Cklert]

@@PChampoo If I am not mistaken its the opposite regarding the Patriarchs. The Patriarch of Moscow accused the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople of becoming too much like the Pope and this was made clear by Bishop Hilarion of the Russian Orthodox Church.

[@PChampoo]

@@Cklert meanwhile , there's pics of the Russian patriarch kissing the pope's hand 😒

[@PChampoo]

@Cklert let's not start throwing stones , I literally know russian whom have left the rocor , because they where venerating the president and generals at their churches as if they where icons of saints , let's inform ourselves here before making comments we haven't investigated on yet , the reality is , both sides have dabbled in ecumenism , the Russian patriarch is just mad , Constantinople gave Ukraine autocephaly , instead of granting political control because of the war...

[@GeertenHaze]

Imagine if on judgement day Jesus is gonna announce that the baptist church is the one true church

[@33legion]

Lol

[@JS_Guitar09]

Matthew 16:18 saves us from this fear.

[@SrMiqueasBD]

@@JS_Guitar09 That verse is not as clear of an answer as you think it is.

[@JS_Guitar09]

@ But we know that the baptist church was founded much later than the church Jesus is talking about here. Therefore, if the gates of hell did not prevail, the baptist church is not the one true church. I don't believe in "one true church," but it is impossible that the baptists have that "one true church" if there was one.

[@VancouverInvestor]

Lol...didn't South Park say it was the Mormons?

[@zeec2093]

It should be noted that the canonical orthodox church of Russia uses the old calendar, there are orthodox saints and theologians from the 19th century well before the ecumenical movement who talk about our view of salvation outside the church. Our view hasn’t changed you have to understand how doctrine and theology acceptance works in the Orthodox Church. You seem to treat it like Roman Catholic and Protestant scholastic theology when it’s not that, look up Economia.

[@drycleanernick7603]

I suggest looking into the economy of grace talked Father Ripperger (as a catholic)

[@ry_boy]

Coptic here. Want to reflect and propose that the true church is the tree, not an individual branch.

[@JW_______]

That's the protestant view, and I agree! 😁

[@neoturfmasterMVS]

Amen. To state in any other way is to claim the Body of Christ is only one branch and all other peoples is eternally lost being not in Christ. Its a bold statement and error to think only people part of "Your Church" can Christ have redeemed.

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

​@JW_______ there are no Protestant "denominations" on the tree

[@JW_______]

@@UniteAgainstEvil what are you trying to say?

[@ry_boy]

@@UniteAgainstEvil I think they are on the tree, just a branch off Roman Catholicism

[@Ih123bsff]

2:30 Jehovah's Witnesses:yeah,can we borrow this

[@God-Will-ing]

Oh God, I was still on 2x speed from another video. My brain almost overloaded trying to process what Zoomer was saying.

[@birdofterror6628]

Nestorius is a fascinating individual, learning about all of the Christian Communes as far east as India and China even before the legitimization of the papacy was one of the first things I ever learned that got me interested in the history of Christian Schisms.

[@davidw.5185]

No, we are. No, we are. No, we are. NO, WE ARE! 😂

[@decoydave]

That's why there is no One True Church. Just a body of believers making up the bride of Christ👍

[@BernardinusDeMoor]

@@decoydave Or, which is the same, there is one true church, but it isn't bounded by a single institution.

[@User-yq1qu]

​@decoydave Okay, so the argument here is that no single church can claim to be the 'one true Church' because all denominations-whether Apostolic or Protestant-are collectively the Church. On the surface, this might sound like a nice, inclusive idea, but let’s not deceive ourselves with pleasantries. First off, the New Testament makes it clear that Jesus didn’t establish a fragmented, loosely connected group of 'churches.' He established a single, unified Church. He said, 'On this rock I will build My Church' (Matthew 16:18)-not 'My churches' or 'My denominations.' In John 17:21, Jesus prayed for His followers to be one, united as He and the Father are one. Division isn’t part of the plan. Now, let’s think about this claim that Apostolic and Protestant groups are all part of one big Church. Apostolic Churches-like the Catholic, Orthodox, and Oriental Churches-agree on certain core teachings, like apostolic succession, sacraments, and the importance of Tradition. But Protestant denominations reject these very foundations, often embracing sola scriptura (Scripture alone) and sola fide (faith alone)-ideas that didn’t even exist in Christianity for the first 1,500 years. So if these groups teach fundamentally contradictory things, how can they all be one Church? Truth isn’t relative. Christ’s Church can’t simultaneously teach that baptism is necessary for salvation (as Apostolic Churches do) and that it’s optional (as some Protestant denominations claim). They can’t all be correct. Here’s another issue: if all denominations are part of one Church, then you’re saying Christ’s Church is divided against itself. But Scripture tells us that’s impossible. In 1 Corinthians 1:10, Paul says, 'I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you.' Unity isn’t just a nice idea-it’s a defining mark of the true Church. The early Christians didn’t live with this 'big tent' mentality where contradictory doctrines could coexist. They fought heresies fiercely to protect the unity of the faith. And let’s be real: the idea that all denominations are one big Church sounds appealing because it avoids uncomfortable conversations about authority and truth. But that’s not how truth works. If Jesus gave His authority to the apostles (Matthew 28:18-20) and promised to guide His Church into all truth (John 16:13), then we’re not left guessing or making up our own interpretations. His Church must be visible, united, and identifiable-not an invisible, contradictory patchwork of denominations. So no, the Church isn’t 'all denominations.' The Church is the one founded by Christ, the one that has preserved His teachings through Scripture, Tradition, and apostolic authority. And if you want to find that Church, you have to look for continuity, unity, and faithfulness to what Jesus and the apostles actually taught. Don’t settle for the idea that all denominations are the Church just because it’s the easy way out. Do the homework. Find the Church Christ actually established...

[@Monopatrism]

@@decoydavethere is

[@danielstepus9519]

I think there’s paradox somewhere in your comment there

[@HorseloverFat1984]

I'm pretty sure that's now the best, and easiest to follow video on the relation between the Apostolic Churches on KZbin. I really enjoyed it.

[@RJDJ__]

5:35 I want to add here also that 2 churches (that were originally part of the Church of the East) split from the CoE creating the Chaldean Catholic Church based in Iraq, and the Syro Malabar Catholic Church, based in India of which both have apostolic succession to the apostle Thomas. The Indian Nestorians became Catholic officially at around 1599 and then embraced the Syro Malabar autocephalous rite belonging to the East Syriac rite at 1923. And is now the largest Eastern Catholic Church in the world (surpassing the Ukranian Greek Catholic Church in mid 2024).

[@CarloCopier]

As an Old Catholic, I think you may have misunderstood us somewhat. This is probably our own fault, but I would like to clarify two things: 1. The age and nature of the schism: While specifically the Union of Utrecht happens because of Vatican I, the schism between Utrecht and Rome is actually older. The Old Catholics are actually a remnant of the Jansenist controversy in the 18th century. The schism proper essentially starts with the excommunication of Bishop (or apostolic vicar) Petrus Codde by the heretical pope Clement XI - the same Clement XI is also the one who taught that lay people ought not to read the Bible. After this, Utrecht starts consecrating her own bishops illicitly; not out of malice, but pure necessity, as Rome approved of no more episcopal ordinations. In this time period however, of course, what would later be called Old Catholic did not know herself by that name, as Rome had abandoned the Netherlands: it was simply the Catholic Church, as it was the only one around in the Netherlands; and when Catholicism became legal here again and Rome returned, "we" did not rejoin and eventually came to be known as the Old Catholic church. 2. Our ecclesiology: We do not think of ourselves as "the one true church" as such. If we did, it would suggest a very bleak outlook. What we do believe however is that our church structure is uninterrupted: we can say that we are the church that Saint Willibrord began in the Netherlands. This makes us in some sense special, but not "the one true church". If anything, I think many of us would profess that it would be Rome who should have the special claim, but, as it is, we find ongoing problems with her. Many of us would much like to see not Utrecht, but Rome at the head of an Undivided Church.

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

Technically, some of the Old Catholics split off before Vatican I (The Diocese of Utrecht, one of the founding members of the Union of Utrecht).

[@westerncatholicism]

Can't forget about Antiochan and Chaldean Catholics

[@VancouverInvestor]

Antiochan Orthodox?

[@RomaCatholica]

He said "Catholic churches"

[@lessardo87]

This is an incredibly western Protestant way of looking at it

[@pharobron]

That's the point. If you want to fit a square into the round hole, you gotta shave off the edges. It only makes sense.

[@brian791]

@@pharobronBG Why’d you take your videos down?

[@pharobron]

@@brian791 you've seen my videos? I took them down because I didn't want them public anymore.

[@brian791]

@@pharobron no I haven’t seen them but I appreciate small channels. I saw your community post about videos. God bless you brother!

[@pharobron]

@@brian791 ahh that makes sense! God bless, I think one day if the Lord wills I will make content again but for now I am focused on Christ and my growing family 🙏🏾

[@Lecommandant_camroun]

CANT WAIT TO SEE PEOPLE FROM ANY OF THESE DENOMINATIONS SPAMMING "WE ARE THE ONE TRUE CHURCH" IN THE COMMENTS🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣📢📢💯💯

[@GeertenHaze]

The Holy non denominational church is the true one obviously

[@enderknight39]

But Pastor Jim Bob's Bible church wasn't mentioned in this video

[@2015BLOXXER]

@@enderknight39😂

[@_Diana_S]

Church of the East (and later, Assyrian Church of the East) believes that Jesus was BOTH Human and God, not that they denied he was a God. If he were not human as well as God, then his suffering on Cross would be not as significant. He suffered as human, Gods do not suffer, and this can not be denied or diminished. They saw "Mother of God" as a limiting term. That's why even now the Lady is called simply "Mart Maryam btultha" (St Maryam, the Virgin) in our Church without details of whose mother she is, since everyone knows ).

[@RJDJ__]

Yup, they are dyophysites

[@shout6892]

Wanna see a vid of you explaining the Traditional Latin Mass

[@nadaadeclarar6246]

I think that he would be terrible at it. Catholic specific stuff is not the ground of RZ, I guess he is good only for general, ecumenical and presbyterian stuff. But I'm curious now about what he would say about it

[@classicalteacher]

I would not. He is not a Church historian. His view is biased and lacks academic integrity.

[@jdotoz]

Way out of his lane.

[@shirkam3657]

Only if he becomes Catholic, which will happen on Thursday May 17 2028 at 5:23 PM.

[@shirkam3657]

Only if he becomes Catholic, which will happen on Thursday May 17 2028 at 5:23 PM.

[@bloom_the_artist]

20:23 Bro was fiddling with a coin the whole time

[@33legion]

Nice

[@RandomPerson2609]

Hava Nagila

[@ntonisa6636]

Just to clarify until the 1580s everyone was using the "Old" (Julian) Calendar, not just "the East". Originally protestants were also reactant to adopt the Gregorian (Britain and the 13 colonies only did so in the 1750s)... Also the Church of Greece and other eastern churches who "switched" calendars, technically aren't following the Gregorian but the "Revised Julian Calendar" which was invented by the Serbian mathematician/astronomer Milankovitch, designed to be even more astronomically/seasonally accurate.

[@siondafydd]

My liberal-ish church (Not terrible but there's a female pastor and I think a bit too much focus on worldly issues) had a visiting pastor today, and he preached about the Nicean creed and why we follow it, (Baptist Union of Wales, btw the Church was founded in 1813).

[@JackCrawford-k2p]

Find a church. A different church.

[@rain0450]

Female pastor is an automatic no. The church is compromised.

[@CoregiaNS]

Sounds like someone needs to sign up for reconquista

[@jordansauer1678]

Female pastor is the the definition of liberal church it’s one step from gay pastor

[@ivorkovac303]

Why go to a church like that?

[@whiterosesforthebrideofchrist]

"If a man love Me, he will keep My words; and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our abode with him" (John 14:23). There is absolutely no room for any totalitarian ecclesiastical organization of men to insert themselves into this equation.

[@raymond9290]

But from where do you know Jesus words after ascension? Especially for early christian in 1st to 3rd century?

[@EricSanchez-m4h]

Nice video very helpful thank you!

[@Prestoninthezone]

This is the video I was waiting for

[@HDwedge012]

As a Protestant, I truly appreciate Sedevacantists for making many of our arguments for us.

[@kaktustustus1244]

They are just protestanta who reject sola fide and like latin

[@TheSignofJonah777]

RZ now do a video on all the small traditions we never hear about or died out.

[@sebastijank98]

Calling SSPX half way Sedevacantist is misleading. You either are or aren’t Sedevacantist. They aren’t. They are canonically irregular though, not recognizing certain decisions of Vatican II and being in disagreement with popes. They recognize the pope though and pray for him during every Mass.

[@shout6892]

He's a prot, he's not gonna et catholic traditionalist conflicts entirely right lol

[@electric336]

...so they're half-way Sedevacantist

[@tonisenihavea7600]

I think the term "tridentinian/trentinist" would better describe the SPX Society.

[@sebastijank98]

@@tonisenihavea7600 Well, depends if you refer to the council or the Mass. If you refer to the council, they still affirm the First Vatican council and do not publicly go against the teachings of the living magisterium, at least not in schismatic way. They affirm the validity of Novus Ordo (although of course holding that it is inferior as a form of worship), they affirm the sacraments given by the "Novus Ordo" Church etc. They do use the Tridentine Mass indeed so the term may apply, but so do all other traditional Catholics and we traditional Catholics are much bigger group than just the SSPX itself.

[@jdotoz]

@@sebastijank98 They just refuse submission to him when they feel like it.

[@mathewtom4018]

Great video. There are 2 sui iuiris churches following the Assyrian tradition (East Syriac) in full Communion with Rome. Also there are churches following the West Syriac Tradition in full Communion with Rome. I think you missed out depicting those relations.

[@rubenhernandezbeltran2957]

Arianism still is alive is now known as JW and Islam

[@MarkStein-o7u]

Arian believed that Jesus was God. Jehova Witness believes he's Michael the Archangel. Jehova Witness are a mix of Arianism and Calvinism because Calvin also believed that Jesus was Michael, but he still thought that He was God equal in essence to the Father. Arius did not. Mix both together and you have Jehova Witness

[@RedeemedMusicanOfGod]

Love this map. Will be studying these guys now.

[@EthnikoPneuma]

Redeemed Zoomer, if you include "Old Calendarists" why not include all of them? Because there are 1000 different Old Calendarist groups and none of them are in communion with each other... So no reason to include "Old Calendarists", just include Eastern Orthodox not the insignificant micro-schisms.

[@Demitri_Ungureanu08050]

There are only 11 groups, not 1000. But the original group, the GOC, is the largest by far

[@EthnikoPneuma]

@@Demitri_Ungureanu08050 In Greece alone there are probably hundreds, some have their own old calendarist cult (Like Father Kleomenis)

[@MatthijsVanBemmel]

I live next to Utrecht and had never heard of the Old-Catholic church, so thanks!

[@Sciller4]

Studying Catholicism in April... converting in May, then. Jotting that down :p

[@classicalteacher]

Yeah... not sure why your watching RZ for academically honest Church history. You probably should go to The Voice of Reason, ShamelessPopery, The Council of Trent or Jimmy Aiken.

[@Sciller4]

@classicalteacher Huh? I watch him to better understand protestantism. I don't base my theological views on KZbin videos drawn in paint.

[@BernardinusDeMoor]

@@classicalteacher You really think that those are unbiased sources?

[@BubblePond-j1h]

@@classicalteacherVoice of Reason, Trent, Fradd and R&T claim to be Eastern Catholics. They lack integrity. Eastern Rite churches have orthodox doctrines disguised as cultural/ethnic "liturgies" and pretend to agree with the Pope in public. This is how you learn the RCC changed from unity in faith to unity with the Pope.

[@ItIsWrittenWordofGod]

There is a new Arianism today and it’s called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints

[@Joeya.2458]

RZ Popesplaining: 12:50. Much appreciated

[@doinic09]

W Zoomer moment

[@TihorSam]

Thank you zoomer for being a gateway for me into church history ❤

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

8:50 if i recall it's because they worried that Dyophysitism is leaning to the Nestorian direction assuming that two wills equals two minds thus the Oriental Orthodox feel concerned that western Christians and all other Dyophysites think Jesus is two persons though we don't say that. They express Jesus one nature is a composite of two. And we shouldn't straw man into claiming they believe Jesus's divine infinity and human finite natures are mixed like a Herculean demigod. I don't call them Monophysites because i know they're not that extreme their just Miaphysites. Too bad they think we go extreme from Dyophysitism by saying we are Nestorian.

[@ImagoDigest]

We got Zoomer in a hoodie before gta 6

[@infered5365]

I'd love to see a dive into the history of the Laestadian branches of Lutheranism, they're quite prevalent in the US Midwest area and I myself am in one. Many of the Laestadian churches are quite hush-hush about the reasons behind their splits and we seem to split like it's going out of style.

[@lakerfan0243]

The claims of being the ONE TRUE church that only through which one can be saved seem *very similar* to what Paul mentions in the New Testament when he was dealing with believers who were basically making tribes saying they were better or more holy or correct because they were baptized by Paul or Peter or someone else. It seems to miss the point and add restrictions to salvation that were never intended by Jesus. You don’t have to be baptized by a certain person or be part of a specific church organization to be saved. That was never the case in the NT

[@BernardinusDeMoor]

Especially when we see promises to the effect that all who believe will be saved, and similar statements.

[@bruhmingo]

It’s fundamentally against the spirit of the New Testament.

[@Cklert]

That's particularly why the Catholic Church accepts all baptism regardless of denomination, unless they have a false view of the Trinity. You're correct that any 'specific' organization doesn't matter. However when churches start having different ways of attaining salvation, sacraments, etc. that's a pretty big deal.

[@TonyKalashnikov]

Thats why the Catholic Church the Church traced back to Peter recognizes all Orthodox sacraments as valid 🙏

[@kaktustustus1244]

Yeah, that's why we view everyone validly baptized in some sense connected to the Church

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

I’m not SSPX (at all), but it’s wrong to say they are half-way Sedevacantist. They fully recognize Pope Francis as the valid Supreme Pontiff. If you want to know of an actual half-way Sedevacantist group, that would be the Sedeprivationists. Sedeprivationists believe that Pope Francis is the legal and material, but not formal, pope. The most famous Sedeprivationist today is Mel Gibson.

[@jdotoz]

Why don't they obey him?

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

@ they do. In fact, Pope Francis, and the leaders of the SSPX are in constant communication.

[@jdotoz]

@@carsonianthegreat4672 That means nothing.

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

@@jdotoz it means a lot. Pope Francis has given them full faculties.

[@jdotoz]

@carsonianthegreat4672 If he directed them to celebrate the Mass of Paul VI, would they?

[@lauragonzalez5584]

It'd be cool if you could share like a list of recommended books you have and are gonna read on this journey!

[@zi8gzag]

One of your best maps for sure

[@Tabthelad]

Didn't know that you were Christian dude, Coool!

[@richardditty5318]

@1:49 If you ask these Churches, they would say that their authority comes from the Apostles which founded them. For example the the Coptic church traces its founding back to Saint Mark, the Roman Catholic Church to Saints Peter and Paul. The councils function as the foundation of their teachings.

[@jasonmalstrom1043]

You also have some other splits that are smaller groups that claim apostolic succession from either Eastern or Oriental Orthodox, but were later not accepted as part of Orthodoxy. Such as the Communion of Western Orthodox Churches, Two different groups of Old Believers of Russian Orthodoxy, and The African Orthodox Church.

[@EmirkhanKarakhan]

Nah bro needs Apostalic Church frfr

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

Nah bro got Scotland and sola fide

[@NorthumbrianNationalist]

@@JoWilliams-ud4eu”faith without works is dead” goes hard, cant lie

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

@@NorthumbrianNationalist true

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

"The first and principal objection raised by them is borrowed from the Epistle of James, but they do not understand him correctly. They twist his words to serve their stubborn and prideful purposes. They argue that it is not by faith alone, but also by works, and so on. It is very easy and straightforward to provide an answer to this objection if one understands James correctly. In this passage, James refers to faith as the historical knowledge of Christ. He says, 'Even the demons believe' (James 2:19) On the other hand, Paul speaks of faith in a different sense, which is the certain confidence and trust in the mercy promised to us for Christ's sake. Therefore, James reproves and rebukes the error of those who consider themselves righteous simply because they possess the knowledge of the historical events and life of Christ. While such knowledge is indeed necessary, it does not constitute the trust and confidence by which we receive the forgiveness of sins, as is evident. When James says that Abraham was justified by his works, we need to understand the manner of speaking. He does not mean that Abraham was reconciled to God by his works, but rather that the works of Abraham, being performed by faith and in a state of reconciliation, are pleasing and acceptable to God. Works represent an outward righteousness according to the Law, and they are acceptable to those who are reconciled, but they do not merit the forgiveness of sins or eternal life. Therefore, when it is said that Abraham was justified by his works, it means that the works of Abraham are declared righteous, which is true in the case of Abraham, who is justified and reconciled through faith. It is indeed necessary for works to follow, in which our faith may be alive and put into practice. Let us approach this matter honestly and address it in its proper context, without engaging in sophistical arguments. James is not dealing with the same argument that Paul speaks of but rather with the faith that is the belief in the historical events of Christ, which both the faithful and even the demons possess. Therefore, the words of James are not in contradiction to the words of Paul, nor should they be used against him or any other part of Scripture.”

[@Flame1500]

@@NorthumbrianNationalist James 2:10 do you follow the whole law?

[@LeagueOfJacoub]

Thank you for looking into the Assyrian stuff a bit more

[@studiooriginals]

I had no idea about Cyril Lucaris. Truly fascinating. As a Thomist I'd like to see much more emphasis on God's absolute sovereignty in the Apostolic faiths.

[@praevasc4299]

0:27 "outside of us there is no salvation" - not really, most Catholics don't say this about mainstream Protestant denominations.

[@BubblePond-j1h]

Because all Protestants are the lost sheep of the RCC. "outside of us there is no salvation" - relates to how the ONE TRUE CHURCH was formed in Nicea (325) + Constantinople (381) when it became the legal church of the Roman Empire. During that time there was no existence either - they were hunted down and murdered. Protestant churches need to compare their doctrines against those canons to see if they'd be admitted today. (and count themselves lucky times have changed)

[@praevasc4299]

@BubblePond-j1h Protestants also base their canon on Nicea. Those who don't (like JW or Mormons) are no more Christians than Muslims are. And one might say that Protestants are more true to the Church founded in Nicea than Catholics are, because Protestants base their doctrine only on the Bible and the council of Nicea, while Catholics added lots of things which were part of neither.

[@titanschannel585]

After Vatican II, yeah, before that, no

[@Unlocked985]

Jesus laughs at our denominations and just wants a relationship with us

[@PrometheanKitchen]

I actually go to a SSPX church and we're not exactly half selevacantist we actually don't believe in that our founder actually believed in Rome and being a part of the Catholic church It's funny, a lot of people think that, but that's not true

[@nadaadeclarar6246]

Good video as always! Just a quick correction, FSSPX is not halfway sedevacantist. To be sedevacantist you have to believe current Pope is not valid and so the Holy See is vacant. FSSPX just have a traditional approach to liturgy and they are recognized as part of the Roman Catholic Church, while sedevacantists are excommunicated. Christ is King!

[@jdotoz]

They like to have it both ways, but though they cling to a nominal submission to the Pope, they refuse obedience when it suits them.

[@daubeny8762]

But communion isn't currently valid according to RCC right? I know they officially stated confession was valid, but in my knowledge FSSPX communion was not

[@gunsgalore7571]

You seem to be confusing two different organizations. There's the FSSP, and there's the SSPX. Two different groups. The FSSP is in communion with Rome. The SSPX are not sedevacantists, but they're sort of in a limbo state of quasi-excommunication cause they were excommunicated and then partly recognized later on (If I recall their confessions are licit but not their Masses?)

[@jdotoz]

@@gunsgalore7571 FSSPX is correct, it's actually the official abbreviation of the organization (Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X). It's a little confusing.

[@gunsgalore7571]

@@jdotoz Thanks!

[@Deathbytroll]

A note on Chalcedon. While St. Leo gets a lot of credit St. Cyril was considered the theologian of the council and standard for Orthodoxy, not Leo. Moreover the meaning of Filioque changed over time and the literature bears this out. While Saint Augustine did teach Father and Son as cause of the spirit the general understanding of Filioque meant Father is sole cause and the spirit proceeds through the Son in an economic procession. It wasn’t until later the teaching changed to mean Father and Son as double cause of the Spirit

[@BubblePond-j1h]

Well said and supported by the 8th council (879-880). Pope John VIII refuted the previous council, agreed with the other Patriarchs and united the church. Rome only refuted this council after 200 years (post schism) because it contradicted the filioque dogma.

[@KnightFel]

The Council of Trent pretty much anathematized themselves and all future Romanists by their decrees. Absolutely tragic.

[@AdarshPaulVarghese]

Hey Zoomer, you should include the Malankara (Indian) Orthodox church when you discuss the Oriental Orthodox

[@RomaCatholica]

Redeemed Zoomer, I must correct you here, 15:37, Palmarian church is not sedevacantist, the Cimri is sedevacantist, the Palmarian church has an antipope, they don't believe in an empty seat, sedevacant, and they're idolatrous heretics who offer the Eucharist to Mary and say she is present in the Eucharist.

[@RomaCatholica]

CIMRI can be found kinda easily in america, tbh

[@thesaroscycle]

17:36 Man went maximum New York

[@fortunatetalisman]

very informative thank you!

[@kevinyonan9666]

8th time telling you this. Assyrians are not and never were Nestorians... Stop intentionally spreading misinformation...........

[@nikosmith7554]

Khon they all call us Nestorians evening know full well Nestorios was not the founder of the Church of the East and later named Assyrian Church of the east. It’s sad to see even though we are in 2025 and all the information and open dialogue we still known as “kicked out”.

[@shawnjackson4458]

Great video!

[@ianamante7547]

Apostolic doesn't necessarily mean they claim to be the one true church. My church (Church of Sweden) is apostolic because we are the reformed Catholic church in Sweden. We are the apostolic evangelical-catholic church in Sweden 🙌

[@violetblythe6912]

There actually was an Arian group in America last century, called The Way. They have kind of crumbled since their founder died in the 80’s, but splinter groups of the members still exist today: mainly boomers who meet in each other’s homes.

[@user-73741]

A video with the same theme about Apostolic Succesion would be great.

[@fighterofthenightman1057]

I oppose even using this classification for this non-group. They have nothing in common besides claiming to be the one true church … which actually gives them nothing in common. So cringe when online Catholics act like they’re in any way similar to Eastern Orthodox compared to Anglicans or Lutherans, lol.

[@Eyuel29]

18:58 In Ethiopia, it's the reverse, the protestants use the orthodox calendar and celebrate christmas and easter one week after the western calendar.

[@orgnish]

Alexandrian calendar for best calendar. I think it’s important to note that these ecumenical councils were called and organized by the early Coptics. We owe a lot of our discourse to them.

[@SC-vd4ry]

Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox are not in communion with one another.

[@nadaadeclarar6246]

Russian Orthodox is not in communion with anybody today lol

[@Kostas_Dikefalaios]

There wont be any problem whatsoever to take communion in a Russian church for a Greek Orthodox and vice versa. This "split" is simply political and will sort itself out very quickly. You blow it out of proportion.

[@faisalhilaby]

@@Kostas_Dikefalaios thats what the catholics and orthodox used to say about eachother...

[@neoturfmasterMVS]

Another dude just stated the opposite: Orthodox & Russian Church are the same, rather autonomis parts of Orthodoxy Church. Hard to find "The Church".

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

But MUH one true chirch!!! It NEVaH schisms!

[@MortenBendiksen]

If your trust hinges on you getting it right, you haven't read the Bible, is all I can say.

[@BubblePond-j1h]

Neither have you! This is how you got your bible.

[@MortenBendiksen]

@BubblePond-j1h What do you mean "this is how you got your Bible"? What is your point?

[@BubblePond-j1h]

Do you know where the Bible originated from?

[@snoopfan6934]

So does it hinge on getting it right ​@BubblePond-j1h?

[@Dzubran]

As for the Oriental Orthodox Churches, it is not that they simply disagree with the theology of the Council of Chalcedon, rather it is that the Council of Ephesus explicitly disagrees with the Council of Chalcedon. The reason the ACOE doesn't fully accept Chalcedon is because Chacledon accepts Ephesus which is undeniably Miaphysite. The disagreement with One Nature is the reason the ACOE went into schism. Ask the ACOE and they will agree Ephesus is Miaphysite and that it is impossible to interpret Ephesus any other way. The only way the Chalcedonian Churches cope is to change definitions anachronistically. Don't take my word but do the research for yourself.

[@JohnVianneyPatron]

Calvin Robertson has since left the Old Catholic (Scranton) Church [it is likely that he never was a member although they ordained him to the priesthood but refused to give him any pastoral responsibility] and is now looking for a job in the ANCA a breakaway group from the Anglican Church.

[@OscarSilva-h1j]

Can you do a specific video talking about the canon of Ethiopian orthodoxy and how they have 89 books in their canon (which would include in the New Testament as well)? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😊

[@OscarSilva-h1j]

And can you make it an at least 30 minutes video haha xD

[@Akhgy]

It’s a easy read, the church was closed of from communication because of Muslim aggression, also the church has a Jewish Heritage, so we keep those books

[@kristophergilliam9374]

Appreciate your work.

[@anycyclopedia]

The Chaldean Catholic Church is the largest among the Churches of the East and is in communion with Rome. It broke away from the Assyrian Church of the East in 1830 and joined the Catholic Church. Currently, Chaldean Catholics can receive the Eucharist in an Assyrian Church of the East, and Assyrian Christians can receive the Eucharist in a Chaldean Catholic Church.

[@RJDJ__]

No it would actually be the Syro Malabar Catholic Church that is the largest Eastern Catholic Church. But they also broke away from the Church of the East

[@Greg_6565]

Great video, love your work Here is my understanding though The first christian island was cyprus where paul went hebspoke to the people in cyprus so the church there in greece, Constantinople, antioch, jerusalem, Rome, Alexandria too all these churches were holy apolostolic church never changed never changed theology from there 1054 something happened there was 5 bishops first amongst equals which means they were all equal with each other the bishop of alexandria was equal to the bishop of Constantinople etc for 1054 yeears you have 5 lead bishops 1 church 5 bishops in the 5 pr9vidences first amongst equals. But the bishop in charge of rome wanted to be above wanted jurisdiction of the entirety, including indulgences where you can pay momey to be saved so many thinfs the roman catholic church introduces not original to orthodoxy he wanted to change things try to control and overtake the other 5 the rome bishop wanted to change things of the orthodox teaching so the other 4 churches decided to anathemize or force the church of rome to seperate. We know now the church of rome is the Roman Catholic church and the other 4 churches is the Eastern Orthodox church remained the historic holy apostolic church. Historically the eastern orthodox church is the holy catholic and apostolic church 1 church. The orthodox church in Cyprus maintained the same Christianity since Paul and Barnabas.

[@nohandle-n9l]

@redeemedzoomer6053 One thing that I constantly see you make a mistake about is the great scism. The Filioque was not what caused the scism, it was the issue of Unleavened Bread vs Leavened Bread

[@carlose4314]

Old Calendarists broke off from the Greek and Romanian Orthodox Churches. Old Believers broke off from the Russian Orthodox Church.

[@Rumcajschr]

Orthodox Churches have not adopted the Gregorian Calendar. Some of them adopted the Revised Julian Calendar, which is similar to the Gregorian one as holidays such as Christmas fall on the same day as in the West, but it is still a different calendar, since it was calculated in a different way. Some even argue that it is better than the Gregorian Calendar when it comes to its calculations. And as I said, only some of the local Churches adopted it, which caused the schism with the Old Calendarists, e.g. in Greece. Because of that some of the local Churches stayed with the old Julian Calendar as to not have a schism like the Greeks. That includes the Russian Orthodox Church and the Serbian Orthodox Church. Polish Autocephalous Orthodox Church is an interesting example as it uses the old Julian Calendar, but allows the usage of the Revised one in individual parishes. In the past the western dioceses of that Church used the Revised Julian Calendar, but abandoned it after one of the councils of bishops

[@josh_kerman]

the Oriental Orthodox and the Eastern Orthodox difference can be very confusing since "oriental" roughly means "eastern," and a lot of older (1900's) sources call the Greek rite church Oriental Orthodox

[@daniellenm395]

You should attend a service of the church you happen to be studying at the time. It would be good content.

[@GoodFantomas]

There is one important aspect of the Byzantine Catholics, the political one. There are the Uniate churches stemming from the Union of Brest: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Brest And, this unity being mainly the political construct, further supported by many Catholic rulers, resulted in many Byzantine Catholic being basically Eastern Orthodox in some kind of (proclaimed) unity with Rome. And therefore an icon of Gregory Palamas is not a problem there 🙂

[@JohnVianneyPatron]

This year (not by intention but by divine providence) the Western and Eastern Church will celebrate Easter on the same day.

[@motiveyeseyecare3481]

The intercessions of St. Pope Athanasius of Alexandria, St. Pope Cyril of Alexandria, and St. Pope Dioscorus of Alexandria be with you all.

[@brandonmanuel2842]

Selena Gomez, Victoria Justice, Ariana Grande, and Elizabeth Gillies are my faiths.

[@JoWilliams-ud4eu]

21:06 video ends here

[@JosiahTheSiah]

Spoilers much?!?!

[@PauTheDeo]

Spoiler much??

[@trevorhanlin4247]

It looks like you are missing the Eastern Catholic Church offshoot of the Assyrian Church of the east with the Chaldean Catholic Church which reconciled in the 1830's along the lines that you mentioned. Also, might be a smaller point(s), the Polich National Catholic Church also broke after VI but came into and out of communion with the old Catholics. There are also conclavists since VII that elect their own pope and are sometimes confused for sede's. (Pomeranian is a conclavist) Lastly, the maronites and italo Albanians would be hard to represent here while still using the term "roman" to define catholic. You do a great job with the words, but the chart does show that split. (and happy you are talking about them!)

[@Questionandedify]

1 Timothy 4:10 (KJV) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

[@EasternOrthodoxG9]

Actually us Eastern Orthodox also say there is no slavation outside of the Orthodox Church, however we don't say God will not be merciful to people outside of the Church on jugdement.