Apple Noob Tries Gaming On A MacBook Pro...

[@qmmt9786]

"I don't want to touch it with my gross man hands" Is it bad I was hoping you would say "Time for veleda"?? And do the whole review with gloves on?

[@sanctusstreams101]

I also have greasy manhands. and it does smudge up the laptop. lol

[@AnnaDoes]

Omg what a missed opportunity!

[@barackhusseinobamaii3303]

@@AnnaDoes yh ikr .-.

[@mikeymaiku]

Woulda been a good spot for the armoring up cutscene

[@mccalejk2]

I got a $350 white case for my iPad Pro and I feel like I need a case for it lol

[@lorduggae]

Apples actual company motto is : "They're buying, they're buying it, I can't believe they are buying it."

[@anakinlowground5515]

Nah, their motto is: We sell you overpriced products because we know you'll buy whatever we sell no matter what."

[@LimeEye13]

In fairness, PC gaming manufacturers motto, “Just slap some RGB on it!”

[@LimeEye13]

@@anakinlowground5515 That’s the Nvidia motto.

[@mrclean3088]

@@LimeEye13 Well how else would you achieve buttery smooth 60+ FPS if not with RGB? It's kinda like these totally legit flame stickers on cars giving them +20 extra horsepower. C'mon every Gamer knows that

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Buying Apple products is like intelligence test: if you have it then you don't have it :P

[@fierce134]

I think David's next channel should be "Dawid Does Sketch Comedy". That ending was beautiful

[@Dorraj]

Yeah I think he did a great job with the ending, more sketches Dawid!

[@ecmorgan69]

“Did you want a charger with that?“ LOL 😂

[@River_Miles]

This had a good ending. But best Apple for Gaming burn is Viva La Dirt League with The Worst Robber Ever.

[@LabCat]

In b4 Dawid does a collaboration with Kallmekris

[@singhakumar48]

Now try playing Resident evil village on base model MacBook Air.

[@averagerobert8211]

Dawid: "Im impressed at the quietness of the macbook during this gaming session" the macbook : silently death screaming

[@riptaiyo]

My macbook cries when I have unreal engine open too long

[@marcochavanne]

Its really wild. I have an M1 13" MBP and played Civilization V and the fan was barely noticeable after a few hours of progression. My wife's Mid-2014 MBP got an NVME upgrade this weekend I forgot it sounds like a clapped out Airbus a321 on takeoff.

[@LennySharer9]

IT DOES AS WELL

[@Zillmanti]

@@marcochavanne be grateful is not as loud as ps4 jet engine

[@vanevo897]

@@Zillmanti no wonder its sounds like that bc most of those console users dont clean it, meanwhile the switch is gasping of air when playing among us

[@ChengTeoh]

Dawid with a Macbook? I'm worried he'll get the urge to do something really weird with it ... like attaching something to it that doesn't belong.

[@Dracossaint]

like a cooler ~~That should be there~~

[@univera1111]

I can see you're a windows person like Linus.

[@bananasstuff3344]

@@Dracossaint or a graphics card ~~that shouldn't~~

[@Dracossaint]

@@univera1111 huh?

[@Fay7666]

If it were an Intel machine, I think he could do Quad-GT710.

[@ruityan]

Finally someone agrees that the news icon looks like dota. Thank you, Dawid.

[@mobnishi251]

Steam :wtf are u doing Buy a pc 😂😂😂

[@happygamers7642]

This is exactly how it went when I started using apple, I had a Imac and iphone but many of my needed programs didn't work and I got stressed to many times by software and settings issues that cost me too much time for doing a simple task, so I switched back and I definitely don't regret doing that.

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

"that cost me too much time for doing a simple task" And apple is supposed to be easy to use and intuitive. I never used a apple device but maybe if you start with one and stick to the ecosystem it may be better. Windows has its own fair share of weirdness and frustration sometimes... but at least it can play games.

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

As someone who has to repair Apple products for a living, I can confidently say: 1. Macbooks get absolutely DISGUSTING after a year or two. 2. While being very well put together, they are designed specifically to be difficult or impossible to upgrade or repair. Not to mention the giant premium you pay compared to similarly specced PCs. Apple products, in my experience, are very well built garbage.

[@liesandy291]

nah some of them have flawed design like the display ribbon cable can't withstand stress of being lifted up & down, placing power providing right next to ssd.

[@Jwellsuhhuh]

@@liesandy291 yeah i think louis rossman had one where the display power cable shorted onto the cpu and fried it lol

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

It’s really a shame. I really want to like their products, but I’m always left disappointed after interacting with one.

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Me too. So much engineering potential is ultimately wasted.

[@IlBiggo]

You must not make very much if you repair Apple products for a living and you find them impossible to repair. I repair Apple devices for fun and my main machines are an iMac and a MacBook from 2011, which I had to fix/upgrade a couple times and are perfectly clean.

[@moebius2k103]

Back in the mid 2000s when Apple first put Intel CPUs in their laptops along side discrete ATI graphics chips I had a 15” MacBook Pro and I would take it to LANs with a USB2 hub for external keyboard and mouse and dual boot Windows on it. It was a powerful and very portable LAN rig. I even overclocked the GPU it a little bit. Those were the days.

[@LudaLuke]

Read an article the other day about how gaming on Mac is the future, I felt it was a comically bad piece and this has just confirmed that thought. It would be good if Apple would embrace gaming, but, being Apple, they won't. I worry for future generations if the gaming future is infact on Apple devices....its always been comically bad, well....except Myst

[@azenyr]

If you consider future is stuff like Apple Arcade and/or Cloud Gaming then yes, they might be the future. Otherwise real triple A local games will probably never thrive on macOS seen how closed up and anti consumer Apple is. They refuse to support stuff like Vulkan or other things that actually make gaming good

[@sammy_1_1]

Or if they do it might end horribly... idk, I'm just not an apple fan at all. Screw them honestly.

[@PointingLasersAtAircraft]

Isn't the mac crowd adjacent to the ban violent videogames crowd?

[@Kazim28]

No, macs were the king in gaming back in the 1990s and 2000s

[@Prodbytocile]

@@Kazim28 no💀 apple never wants their computer to game and gaming companies don't like Mac either

[@onlyusernameleft2]

Dawid must have read the same techradar article as I did about how the future of gaming is on Macs and decided to prove a point.

[@tomwaller6893]

Wonderful commentary on Apple business practices. Thank you.

[@NoBody-ks3co]

How much did you spend on your most recent graphic card?

[@NoBody-ks3co]

One makes you buy in bulk the other makes you believe you get value because you get to put it together. You probably spend more on PC because it "customizable". As if Microsoft hasn't had bad practices. Tom Waller you're probably smarter than me use that big ass forehead for something

[@IlBiggo]

@@NoBody-ks3co He's got 42 thumbs up, so he's obviously right. /s

[@IlBiggo]

​@Bear Spicer You forget that most people only know about Apple portables and compare them with their homebuilt Frankenstein experiments. _HAHAHA everything is _*_soldered_* - oh yes, and I sometimes forget that most of the KZbin PC experts are gamers. They *_identify themselves_* as gamers, which is somewhat even sadder.

[@AnnaDoes]

I feel like the MacBook kept gaslighting Dawid. 😅 It’s like, “oh I work with an external monitor… ONLY WHEN I WANT TO”

[@anonymoustroll1549]

😂😂😂

[@Tomazack]

My Saturday early afternoon ritual in effect, watching Dawid before doing anything productive.

[@adamscott9499]

Saturday morning over here🤣

[@Scyth3934]

Haha

[@zeilstar]

Hah, it's Friday for me, I'm a grown man, have the day off, eating a bowl of cereal and drinking coffee :)

[@loopylad4722]

When I got in to PC gaming I started with a mac.... happy to report I've been using a PC for gaming for the last 10+ years, it was gaming that killed the mac.

[@dreibel]

you have to understand where Apple is going with this. Tim Cook has managed to fulfill his wet dream of producing Macs that cannot be upgraded or modded by the consumer. Gone are the days where you could buy a barebones Mac and then upgrade it to all the features you want without paying the Apple Tax.And those neural SSDs in the Mac Studio that at first glance appear to be swappable? ? Turns out Apple figured a way to lock them to the motherboard of the Mac they came with, so an aftermarket one won't work. I've been a huge fan of Aple for years, I love macOS, but unfortunately thei've priced me out of the type of machine I need.

[@GewelReal]

and then for 1500$ they put in a screen that's worse than my 20 year old monitor

[@Gazereths1234]

I always thought Apple was a weird choice for any regular consumer, normally waaaay over priced for middling at best hardware performance. I kinda get it for professionals that need macOS compatibilty. But damn their practices are so anti consumer it makes Sony, Intel, AMD, Nvidia and Microsoft look like champions of the downtrodden. I mean most users would never be able to even open a Macbook to give it a dust out, let alone add another stick of RAM or upgrade the storage, which is now impossible for all but the most skilled with access to soldering reflow equipment and parts that Apple actively try to block 3rd parties from buying.

[@MasterN64]

@@Gazereths1234 Many professionals are switching off apple products just from all of their bogus antics. There are some that are locked into their walled garden of bullshit but those that have been able to jump ship have in droves. The fact of today isnt that mac users are creatives that need the top end software compatibility but instead a bunch of everyday Joes that see the fancy looking shapes and colors with a high price tag so they assume its good or some kind of status symbol. They have built themselves as a "premium" brand and use that to justify treating their consumers like garbage. Then those same people line up to be treated as such. They are the definition of a company that only cares about profits and how much they can fleece their consumers for all while having the absolute worst business practices and setting the bar to a new low for human decency.

[@brando3342]

But remember, Tim says Apple always acts with moral superiority, according to Tim 🙄

[@caliburpictures]

@@GewelReal your 20 years old monitor had such a big resolution and a big color space? Sounds amazing .

[@myronfilkins9470]

That was a hilarious monolog at the end of the video. Love your channel Dawid. From 75 year young guy.

[@moogleking]

Lol at the skit at the end you conveyed Apple 100% Dawid

[@virgiauskas]

As someoned that worked as IT admin for several years, I unpacked so many of these MacBooks, it doesn't have the same exitement anymore, but the smell of a new MacBook... it's something else - only just Apple has it.

[@soniccdx]

i`ll rather suffer through a laptop that suffers from jet engine noises then worrying about compatbility issues ..

[@andysimkin5200]

And at least when you hear your laptops turbines spooling up you know it's working it's arse off to give you the best performance it possibly can

[@soniccdx]

and at least some upgradable parts like the ssd and ram like the older macbooks

[@superpork1superboy771]

Plus, a laptop that sounds like a jet engine adds realism in Microsoft Flight Simulator

[@Lol5967]

@@superpork1superboy771 Good one there. No jet engine? No problem, use your laptop's fan as a jet engine lolol.

[@AnnaDoes]

@@superpork1superboy771 really adds to the immersion 😂😂😂

[@jameslake7775]

This is a far cry from the op-Ed I read the other day that declared macOS and Apple Silicon the future of PC gaming due to their superior hardware and software support. …and much more what I expected. There was a time I really lusted after a Mac, but lately it really feels like Apple has doubled down on their most extreme fans and retreated into a corner. Old software? Games? Repairs? Ports? Use your Mac how we tell you or pound sand.

[@user-jn9dl9px6r]

There's a sheeple born every minute.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I was also really excited at the idea of gaming on this little MacBook, but it was so much more buggy than I was expecting. Curious to see how this will develop over time.

[@yakiri982]

😛😛😛😙😘

[@das9115]

I do honestly think that the potential of Apple Silicon is insane - just look at some benchmarks of the M1 Pro, Max and Ultra! However, gaming on a Mac will always be one of them things where you can do it, but it really isn’t recommended or even worth it. No developer wants to be the first one to port their AAA title to Mac in fear of losing money on it, which to be fair I don’t blame them because Mac market share is minuscule compared to PC and an even smaller percentage of Mac owners even want to game on it in the first place

[@IggyHitokage]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Probably as much as the Epic Game Store has evolved over time. It only took two years to add a shopping cart!

[@PaperReaper]

And people say Linux gaming is not user friendly

[@jangelelcangry]

With how closed Apple operating system are I think it is rougher ATM.

[@asunavk69]

Linux requires tweeking many times, some knowlage to tech and many times the use of the command line, and not just the gui, its not as intuitive as windows also due to not being as popular, and with that support is neglatingly lacking from companies, speacilly game companies(anti cheat crap and all). Despise that, gaming on linux is amazing imo, both with proton/wine or on kvm with gpu passthrough superior to mac and all done for free, just requires some work to do.

[@PaperReaper]

@@asunavk69 I mean, it's getting easier every day. Older games run arguably better through DXVK

[@asunavk69]

​@@PaperReaper yeah i've seen videos on benchmarks with eta prime and on some systems with amd with cyberpunk 2077 you w'd get +10frames on linux, its just the tweeking part that we might do to run a game that worries me, although hopefully it gets ironed out to help us move out of the(imo) so terrible win11.

[@PaperReaper]

@@asunavk69 I mean, win11 being terrible is not a hot take lol

[@boburanus69]

The Gamestop bit at the end... perfect representation of what buying an apple product looks like. Even got the 'at home' store feel.

[@SyntheticFrost]

I’m a Mac expert that’s used the platform since System 7 in the early 90’s. Long story short, there was a brief period in the 2010’s when we were on the same intel chips as regular PCs when we saw a major influx of games on Steam, and while some of the issues you describe (which are mostly a result of macOS’s automatic resolution scaling), existed, gaming on macOS has once again regressed to pitiful levels with the switch to their own M1 and M2 ARM chips. Gaming on Macs has always been more difficult and worse than on Windows, but as an expert who has actively maintained guides for various games on Macs, I can say that it wasn’t always *this* bad. OpenEMU is a good example of macOS style polish on a gaming focused app.

[@skilletborne]

I legitimately want to know how people still think they're worth buying, from you, as an expert. For a company that touts innovation, their computers (and even their phones now) are lagging behind current capabilities by significant margins yet cost an arm and a leg. I can't even justify the media production capabilities anymore.

[@angry_wizard]

Yeah OpenEMU is possibly the best multisystem emulation software across any platform. It's better than Retroarch by a huge fucking margin.

[@SyntheticFrost]

Because in a lot of areas outside of gaming macOS is very far ahead of Windows. Mainly audio engineering, creative work, and software development. The tools and APIs used for app development are much nicer. I can write a few lines of code in Xcode and have it multithread my app automatically. Doing the same job in Visual Studio in Windows is a lot more work to do the same job. In fact a lot of the backend infrastructure running on the Linux machines that run this very website were written on Macs. I won’t justify the price, because even most Mac users think it’s robbery, but the working environment is just that much nicer that we put up with it. As a bit of a clarification, ever since Apple added the Metal API, which is a direct port of the same Mantle and thus DX12 and Vulkan APIs Windows uses, if and when you could get MacOS running on the same hardware as Windows, gaming performance was often right on parity with Windows. But the new ARM switch now makes that impossible. Game performance is bad on M1 and M2 Macs because it’s emulating Intel based games on ARM, on TOP of all the crazy resolution scaling it’s doing to render the game. Combine that with weak GPUs and a tiny TDP, and Steam games don’t have a prayer on Macs right now.

[@crash-stop]

@@SyntheticFrost Have to say as a creative type person ( artist) apart from not actually being able to afford any apple products I wouldnt touch them even if i was paid , their design philosophy and just ick factor repels me. I can happily edit, encode and bash script on 8 to 10 year old machines which most people would landfill and still get stuff done . No i dont make glossy vogue ads or flashy music vids but hey thats not me , nor is the mac ( and for most of those working in the area I work ).

[@stereoboost]

@@skilletborne people still rockin’ 2011 macbook pro and run decent, thats one of the reason they’re worth buying. Windows is only good for gaming and corporate slaves’ works, other than that, its shitty. Im not apple fanboy, i use both pc and mac daily, but from user experience point of view, mac is much more positive.

[@dzmo-official]

I’m so happy you don’t use the trackpad. You actually were honest and accurate.

[@gamebuster800]

As a daily Apple user, the external display struggle is real. Since Apple went with USB-C, I've NEVER had a painless external stuff experience unless I'd use a dedicated dongle per external device. As soon as you plug in a dock, you're in for a special kind of hell where stuff either doesn't work at all, or SOMETIMES doesn't work for any reason

[@bzipoli]

does it work flawlessly if you use apple-only peripherals? like an apple dongle and an apple monitor

[@FG-td4vs]

I’ve had no problems with 2021 macbook pro and caldiget ts3+ thunderbolt dock. Everything works as it should

[@Jwellsuhhuh]

Apples resolution management is so terrible it’s not even funny. You need to get a third party app to unlock all the possible resolutions that they have, and you basically have to flip a coin on each monitor whether they’re gonna support high refresh rates at native resolution or not. And even more funny is if I can get 60hz on native res but I want to make the scale of everything smaller (macos doesn’t have display scaling feature like windows) it will let me super sample to 4K but at 30hz!!! Like wtf it’s not even putting 4K through the cable only 1440p and it’s limiting me to 30hz.

[@mttkl]

Could it be the dock/dongle? I have a Satechi USB C dongle for my work Macbook and plugging in an HDMI BenQ monitor plus some USB A devices always worked fine. I haven't hit it with a lot of devices yet tho.

[@gamebuster800]

@@bzipoli I don't know, I have no interest in paying for that overpriced display, and the 32" one is too expensive. I have more than one computer so a monitor that can only plug into one is already a deal-breaker to me.

[@laszlotanka4215]

Hey, everyone reading the comment section, I don't really know Dawid's channel that much, but as I see it he mostly does gaming. So I realised that Apple started to push gaming in their ads but not really doing anything to the mac to be more gaming ready. The thing is, macs aren't made for gaming, and are perfect for anything but gaming. I loved watching Dawid still try to game on it! It made a very entertaining and good video in my opinion.

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

"The thing is, macs aren't made for gaming, and are perfect for anything but gaming" But then why wouldn't i use something that can do gaming and everything else while also being cheaper?

[@conicthehedgehog9166]

Then just get any other pc? They can do the same AND gaming

[@theBoomerDoomer]

I used a MacBook Pro for about nine months for work… until I begged for a Windows laptop. Between bugginess in MacOS and lack of support for the new Apple Silicon, I felt these laptops are definitely for Pro social media influencers and that’s about it. It absolutely hated my dock(s), external monitors, peripherals, and pretty much anything that wasn’t made or coded by the Cupertino Cowboys. Definitely do not use an Apple product for gaming… including iDevices. *disclaimer: I am a reformed Apple apologist of more than 30 years. I honestly can’t stand what they’ve done to the Mac over the last decade… they used to be great at everything, now they’re just expensive status symbols.

[@muhammadrafay794]

Mobile gaming on iPhones and ipad is just amazing its only the MacBooks that poop when playing games.

[@volvo09]

I worked in a big office and one of the execs begged for a MacBook. I told him it isn't going to work for "work" (we were all Microsoft) but try your luck getting one... He got one, it was a pain in the ass and nothing worked properly, it just sat in his desk for years. Waste of $3k. You gotta be in the ecosystem.

[@ShockingPikachu]

People praise the macbook pro keyboard but oh god when i tried it it just felt gross to me. I don’t know what it was but it sure didn’t mesh well with me

[@traestephen7276]

Apple lacks support for many things thus they suvk for mostly everything apart from editing

[@muhammadrafay794]

@@ShockingPikachu did you try the butterfly keyboard?

[@nicknorthcutt7680]

Your apple bit at the end was priceless 😂😂😂

[@markdavidmagat9866]

Your vids always make me so happy and excited. Like I see a new upload and wonder what notical nonesense your ass is doing. Keep up the good work dude!

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Haha!! I’m glad to hear. Thanks for watching.

[@turle8645]

The displays (and main chassis) on these things pretty much haven’t changed at all since 2016, so that might be why it doesn’t look very good rendering motion

[@stevenbrice5554]

The likely problem is that the macbook shares ram between cpu and gpu so your already low 8gb ram has to support both. So while the gpu is capable, its memory starved. You could get a pcie doc and add a 3080 but it kinda defeats the purpose

[@Caius1930]

There is no pcie slot on these trash machines though

[@elsyvien]

@@Caius1930 yes there is they have thunderbolt just plug it in via USB c

[@robynd6138]

yeah just dont buy apple crap in the first place.

[@rado992]

Only one problem: external GPUs don't work on Apple Silicon machines, so that option's out the window too :/

[@Dracossaint]

@@elsyvien yeah I hate to tell you Thunderbolts docks are dead on modern macs sadly

[@LRyan225]

I am both MacBook and Alienware laptop user, so the experience in the video is definitely unfair. MacBook was my primary computer go-to when I needed to leave my house, trips, office, or library when I was in college. And the Windows laptop was my primary laptop that functions as the "compact gaming desktop" that ran Steam and connected to my printer at home. MacBook is a better choice for me while moving compared to other Windows alternatives. XPS or Surface is still more expensive in the current market price than the 14'' MacBook Pro with M1 Pro chips. Plus, the connectivity between iPhone and MacBook is way better than between Android and Windows or iPhone and Windows. For gaming on my MacBook, I tried gmods, csgo, and BioShock with the 2016 MacBook Pro 15''. And primarily run stardew valley and civilization V when I'm away from home. Who will bring a mouse with MacBook anyways? While on the go, I Only carry an 8-bitdo sn30 controller in my backpack and run games with it. I will wait until I get home and use my proper gaming setup for AAA games. Some machines do X better, and some do Y better. Even Windows is not perfect. Still don't understand why people want all-in-one solutions? Running AAA games in your comfortable chair and screen is way better than struggling with a laptop designed for easy transport, right? Or you just want to showcase your Steam Library in a Café that no one cares about?🤣 By the way, I've never experienced the errors and bugs in this video. Maybe this is the problem with your type C hub. I've used a type C to type C LG external screen, and everything runs perfectly. Also used the very basic dongles bought from Apple in 2017, and connected the HDMI to my old 1080p gaming screen, which also went well.

[@lordcbh]

As someone who fixes these things, it always cracks me up seeing people try to open them and being all careful with the suction cups and the picks. Meanwhile I yoink, hug the unit, and pull the bottom panel off in a fluid motion lol.

[@theairaccumulator7144]

You have experience opening hundreds of these, he has probably barely opened a few. Simply a difference of skill.

[@Classy_Car]

I just saw the KZbin short today, so happy it was released when i checked

[@giorgiobazzoni5257]

"runs passively" 108 degrees later

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Hahaha!! Fair enough.

[@aaronchurch1633]

I use a macbook air for schoolwork and when ever I need to use the microphone for voice search or a video call I have to open settings and leave the test the microphone window running for the mic to even work.

[@16abadeer]

just heard about that input lag thing on the mac display and surprised that very few are talking about that issue.

[@arnandegans]

I have one of the last Intel models, 16" Pro. No input lag on there that I can notice - I play GTA5 on Windows on it quite regularly. It is a bit like a jet engine though so headphones are a must. So perhaps the input lag thing is a M1/2 thing.

[@riggedupgaming]

Lets look at what apple gives you for 1500$: 8gb of ram (+200 dollars for 16gb) 2 usb C ports (my tablet has more ports than that) a 60hz panel which "feels really input laggy" No upgradeability A nice smelling box A laptop that dosent explode with heat when playing games ...But It can't play half the games you want it to for some reason 9$ in shipping Also, they put "magic keybaord" and "force trackpad" as features.

[@thomasko0947]

its a really good trackpad (the best actually). And the chip is so optimiced that the 8 GB are comparable to a 16GB Windows laptop

[@sotonin]

You are forgetting amazing battery life.

[@IlBiggo]

@@sotonin He also forgot "a computer you won't ever have to tinker with to make it usable".

[@monochrome_linux]

@blacknester and the prices are kinda 200% in India :|

[@an3k]

Yeah, Apple is very, VERY picky in terms of Docking Stations and basically EVERYTHING you could plug into a Mac.

[@iffy_too4289]

And im sure that's quite deliberate

[@robynd6138]

dont forget they make their products hardware unrepairable. good ol apple practices.

[@Gurupimp10]

Greedy is the word you are looking for, they make sure you NEED to buy their Apple branded products ONLY, pure fucking Landfill company.. Can't upgrade RAM even, like WTF. 8GB!!!

[@yo-bj1lj]

what the fuck is a docking station

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

That’s pretty weird to me considering that you can only plug stuff in using dongles. 😅

[@johnmacedo173]

I like how you try to break (open) stuff before all the review process.

[@yambo59]

Excellent video Dawid, love the sketch at the end so true and appropriate-!! ---"Oh did you want a charger with that"?? LOL Maybe they will also sell you an Apple watch to use for setting up the time on your new laptop-lolol

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Oh no! I really hope they don’t think of that Apple Watch trick. 😂

[@themastereal8345]

You do know that every game you played was being emulated since nothing is arm compatible?? A fair comparison is a gaming laptop emulating and playing those same games

[@geekatari4391]

This was excellent! I was wondering how good it was to play on one of these expensive pieces of fruit, I thought it was going to be a very easy and straight forward experience since, you know, it comes with premium hardware. I am glad I have a Windows PC, with all the flaws that Windows have, I can always do maintenance myself or upgrade it myself should I ever have the need.

[@stanleyhoptroff]

its purely macos monterey its just so buggy and like the windows vista of macos on mojave which i use everything just works

[@JohnDoe-xw1jk]

How is 8gb of ram premium hardware?????

[@commentwar4802]

@@JohnDoe-xw1jk because of the type of ram they use. 8GB of UNIFIED Memory which works with both the CPU and GPU at once and the ram won't typically be used up all the time because of software optimization.

[@JohnDoe-xw1jk]

@@commentwar4802 windows can do that too it's nothing special

[@commentwar4802]

@@JohnDoe-xw1jk No it can't the way memory works on two DIFFERENT architectures is way different. Windows machines are either Intel-based or AMD-based while all new Macs are ARM-based which allowed for the Unified Memory. Let me also remind you that Unified Memory has NOTHING to do with software and only with hardware so it's pretty damn obvious windows which is software, can't do the same. Neither can windows machines

[@ryanvandoren1519]

Damn, the refresh rate thing with the dongles was wild. Never seen anything like that where changing a setting on one product allows it on another. That's peak Apple if I've ever seen it.

[@tatacraft791]

Hating on apple because they suck never gets old

[@Kazim28]

They don’t

[@tatacraft791]

@@Kazim28 they subjectively objectively do

[@Hyp3rSon1X]

"You have to use half of its IO to charge the thing" hit really hard... If I was an Apple engineer... I would be crying right now...

[@chrisakaschulbus4903]

Nah you wouldn't cry... because you also designed dongles that many people use to make the device less ... of what it is.

[@manz5377]

Well, I sold my razer blade 15 to get the base mbp 14, to stop gaming and it seems to be one of the best decision I’ve made. I’ve played less (divinity 2, and nba 2k only) which covers my first goal, and having the battery life to actually use it as a laptop makes the experience so much better. Word of advice, just buy the base models. ;) the binged mbp 14 base model is more than enough.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I’m glad you are happy with your MBP. I feel like buying a MacBook is a great way to stop gaming as much. 😂

[@elegiallo2412]

I was thinking about buying a Mac but thanks this video I DEFINITELY won’t

[@pascaldifolco4611]

Now Dawid knows why noone should NEVER EVER game on a Mac lol !🤣🤣

[@Kazim28]

Why?

[@mephistophelesgg7963]

should never buy this glorified trash

[@SkyzzV_]

@@mephistophelesgg7963 ? these things just arent made for gaming but for productivity and you cant beat macbooks at that field...

[@elvinlee7592]

@@SkyzzV_ using excel and modelling on a Mac isn't a great experience either.

[@mephistophelesgg7963]

@@SkyzzV_ Don't make me laugh, macs aren't made for anything like that. They are just overpriced and glorified trash. At best they are just laptops for old people or teenagers, who don't posses even a basic understanding of anything that's pc related

[@frostydicegaming5518]

Its very rare to see someone point out the flaws of trying to game on apple products or show the insides. We hear so much about how great apple is and its the future we're rarely shown its flaws due to its outrageous advertising budget (Which we pay for btw people, we pay them, to tell us how great they are.) Thumbs up.

[@thor.mukbang]

This was a great take on the Mac. The gaming software just isn't there

[@rvman3359]

Oh, do you want a charger with that? Hahaha Thank you for a great laugh today. I needed that!

[@JeffWaynee]

I was 100% Mac from about 1991 until 2019, but then I got tired of Apple's BS and moved to Windows and Linux. I still have several Macs, but rarely use them.

[@nidiahk]

Microcenter is the coolest, wish I had one up here in Canada

[@tomvandongen8075]

Hardware unboxed actually tested the response time of the MacBook screen; the slowest they've ever seen and it's not even close

[@thomasko0947]

ist because macbooks have no reason to have a good response time screen. The only usecase is for Shooter games and you dont play that sort of game on a mac anyway

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I didn’t know that! Thanks for letting me know. I knew it felt rough. 😂

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@thomasko0947 I don’t really agree. The extent of the response time and movement rendering problems, makes all movement on the display look rough. Even scrolling down a website makes my eyes hurt. I guess it’s fine if it’s the only thing you’re use to, but if you’ve experienced anything better, these displays suck to use.

[@thomasko0947]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Yeah you are right. Everything feels a lot smoother with a good Display. I just wanted to say that the target audience of a MacBook don’t really care about hz and response time. They care more about resolution and color accuracy.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

@@thomasko0947 Oh yeah, that’s very true. 😊 Display response time is probably one of the last things a lot of people think about when buying one.

[@Dmhlcmb]

I’ve had 2 MacBooks and I’m done. They’re so nice out the box but no upgrades, no gaming, and bad customer service really increase buyer’s remorse. I still use iPhone and iPad very happily but after the genius told me my 3 year old $2600 laptop was basically a very expensive paperweight, I decided I was done with Mac. Now I replace my Acer nitro 5 every 2 years and still come out cheaper than buying a new Mac every 4 years.

[@ajfromca]

The MBP13 is a really poorly situated product. It’s amazing for what it is, it is just over priced. If you are in the market for a M2 just get the M1 MacBook Air which can be found for $850 easily enough. If you need something more powerful just get the MBP14 which can be found at $1750 frequently. The MBP14 is a much better device, and the MBA is a much better value proposition.

[@davidwithey6036]

and the m1 is still overpriced... Like saying acting like $850 is a good price for out of date hardware lol

[@Joze1090]

Or...... Just buy a PC

[@davidwithey6036]

@@Joze1090 If apple decided to make a fancy car, Do you think it will have windows?

[@In3rt_ia]

@@davidwithey6036 lol m1 air is an excellent device for its portability, price and performance. It outperforms pc’s that are priced much higher than itself even today and its battery life is unbeatable. So im sorry, your words of “outdated hardware” is pretty outdated. The thing is future proof for atleast a few years if you dont want to game on it or something. $850 is a good price for what you get.

[@s8n..]

7:18 this isn't a mac specific issue though

[@beersandbacon]

Honestly I've had no problem gaming on my Macbook Pro with the M1 Pro that I need for work. I think the more support developers give to Mac the better, this way I can play all of my games on all platforms.

[@cael_84]

it's like Pitch Meetings for movies/series but for videogames! Nice!

[@riven4121]

Pretty sure despite being able to run passively the M2 in the Air actually overheats if you do anything slightly strenuous on it

[@traestephen7276]

Apple is stupid for making a fan a premium feature INA. Laptop

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

MBA isn't designed for sustain workload because it is passively cooled. Tell me how many passively cool laptop can play AAA games? LOL It's a stunt video. Most people don't do sustain work loads.

[@traestephen7276]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu not gaming even just doing any remotely strenuous task

[@captinsparklezremix]

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu a lot of people do sustained workloads you melt. Gaming isn't the only one....

[@Lumilicious]

@@traestephen7276 This is bullshit. The M2 doesn't overheat, it only throttles about 10%... and even then it still runs 10% faster than an M1 MBA which also throttled by 10% under load. This misinformation about the M2 "overheating" needs to stop. It wasn't an issue on M1 MBA (heralded as the best laptop under 1000 bucks at the time) and it isn't an issue now.

[@RyanRiopel]

That bit at the end was great! Ryan George kinda thing in the best way

[@angry_wizard]

Back circa '09 to around '14 a 15" MacBook Pro was my primary machine so it was what I gamed on, and because Boot Camp was a thing and you could dual boot Windows it actually served pretty well! It had pretty beefy mobile graphics for the time (I think mine had a GeForce 650m) and an i7 processor with 16GB RAM. I played a lot of Red Orchestra 2 and Fallout New Vegas on that thing. I originally got the Mac for music production/midi/amp modelling work and really liked OS X at the time because it was the tail end of there being a lot of really great freeware and niche third party software (academic word processors with ancient language support etc.). Apple really pissed me off over the years though with the increasingly gimped OS that punished power users who knew how to use the terminal, a walled garden approach that only got more and more restrictive, but the last straw was depreciating support for 32bit applications with OS X 10.15 Catalina which instantly rendered around half of the music software I frequently used completely inoperable and turned the specialized hardware I owned for that software into very expensive paper weights.

[@plasmawarper5837]

The 650m was trash even back then

[@bobsnob3073]

@@plasmawarper5837 It was better than integrated graphics.

[@Kazim28]

@@plasmawarper5837 it was mid range, good for thin laptops back then

[@stoneymahoney9106]

I did something similar, had an MBP with switchable Radeon graphics and Boot Camp, it was the best of both worlds while it lasted. I get why Apple deprecate entire architectures, it keeps their legacy OS support requirements in check, but the resulting hardware/software upgrade treadmill is horrible for the customer - fall off it and you're completely on your own.

[@sempervivum49]

I used to use my 2017 MacBook Pro for everything, including gaming (though, to be fair, I only really played Minecraft). Even playing Minecraft was a challenge though, I had to redo keybinds to get around the lack of proper right-click, so that my left thumb was usually on the x to place blocks and my right thumb was in charge of the trackpad and space. I upgraded to a pc finally and have gotten into several more games that I can actually run with a discrete GPU, plus had a lot of fun building a pc. Though my friends still make fun of me for presumably buying a pc just to run Minecraft with shaders lol

[@PopTickles]

I always figured gaming (aside from Apple arcade) on macbooks wasn't something that Apple ever focused on, because apple machines are good for other things and that was their bread and butter. But seeing how ludicrous it is to use third party peripherals and getting games to run that have already been optimized to run on macbooks makes it pretty clear that they purposefully make it painful to use ANYTHING that isn't from them, so that they can just bank selling you the apple thing. I have hated the way they do business and treat consumers for years, but I had cooled off on that subject. Now I'm mad again. Big poo poo

[@TonyHoyle]

All those games will be running through an Intel->Arm compatibility layer. To be fair it's actually in my experience a solid conversion in that everything generally works without you having to realize what's happening.. but lag and wierd game behaviour don't surprise me.

[@Rami_Menari]

5:37 when he said "Hallo." it was Dutch and you said it perfect 🤣🤣 love from Belguim

[@QUANTUMJOKER]

This was a very entertaining video. I game a lot on my M1 Mac Mini. Granted, I mostly play indie and older games (Hollow Knight, Hades, Carrion, Dead Cells, FTL, Superhot, Limbo, INSIDE, Eliza), but more graphically-intensive games such as Dying Light, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Mad Max, the Hitman reboot and especially Sleeping Dogs still run very well on this machine. Bioshock 1 and 2 Remastered run flawlessly. I used a heavily-upgraded 2008 Mac Pro as my main computer for several years until it died in February last year, and it was EXCELLENT for gaming, especially with an R9 280x and full Metal support.

[@trojan-david]

Great video! But at 6:16 you can actually change how hard you need to press the trackpad before it registers a click. Since the trackpad doesn’t actually move when you press it, it can be done through software. Just go in settings and select medium or hard

[@riptaiyo]

Wait……it’s not a button lol

[@DustyTheDog]

Dawid can BARELY get anything to work right, *BUUUTTT* when he does get it working it's _quiet_ 👍👍 basically sums up the Apple experience. Jump through hoops to use the isolated system the way Apple wants, and justify it because of one single feature.

[@simonoleary9264]

Kinda like with ED-209 in Robocop. "I've got a guaranteed military contract, spare parts for the next 10 years! Who cares if it works or not!"

[@Zebra_Paw]

Well you actually buy a device you don't get full access to, a lot of stuff is locked, their firmware contain a lot of encrypted shit, the internal SSD is necessary to boot because it contains the bootloader and even when booting to an external drive the kernel gets copied to it... So when it'll die the computer will become trash... Nice job Apple, making your laptop life dependent on its weakest part!

[@TheMC1X]

Can confirm. Had for free a mid-2012 13" macbook pro... and only lasted on MacOS for 6 months. Then decided to use bootcamp to have Windows 10, and then went full Windows 10 on the mac. I do not miss the experience. When the mac died, just decided to buy another windows laptop.

[@Zebra_Paw]

@@TheMC1X the mid 2012 13 inch 2012 is the best MacBook Pro ever and never dies… how did yours??? It supports Metal and will run Monterey flawlessly Hope you chose a good Windows laptop, some can be worse than a recent MacBook though lol Firmware wise though, and logic board wise, it will always be day and night

[@MJ-uk6lu]

I get "Apple" experience with big heatsinks in PCs. My Fujitsu lappy doesn't even kick the fan on until it's like 70 or 80C and even at full blast, it's darn quiet.

[@saishrawool6502]

0:33 This tells Dawid has an advanced sense of humour!😂😂

[@MyurrDurr]

1:15 They probably say this so that Apple can jump on the "Made in the USA" marketing that so so many people really love to brag and feel good about, despite them actually being made elsewhere!

[@iffy_too4289]

They say designed in cali so they can deflect away from the fact that they farm out the labour to people/children that have to suffer crap wages and poor job security and still charge "Made in the USA" prices.

[@arround1]

The $579 dongle actually made by Hermes, and Apple have no affiliation with Hermeses pricing policy.

[@Mayden_America]

This Macbook is an odd duck. Its a chassis from 2016 that they put an M2 into. The 14/16" models are much more robust and (at least for an Apple laptop) more than likely because they were designed after Jony Ive left. They actually ADDED ports to the new ones and removed the TouchBar.

[@samoerai6807]

6:53 I love what the yellow/gold-ish drive is called on the top right corner xD

[@1ctf749]

This is concrete proof apple won’t ever make their computers good for gaming even with apple silicon. Get a pc for gaming.

[@hotrodmercury3941]

My sister wanted a Mac book for years. So I bought one of those 2011 era MacBooks, managed to mess with it enough to get android running on it. She had the apple look with the Android utility. It's still alive to this day, serving her for school use.

[@RoseFBN]

Apple almost killed my wife when she worked there, so I definitely have nothing nice to say about them. Their computers ability to game is absolutely abysmal, just like how they treat their employees.

[@user-ke7mx3vk7k]

How?

[@RoseFBN]

@@user-ke7mx3vk7k I don't want to go into great detail here, but they had her arrested so they could fire her easier. She had done absolutely nothing except no longer be of use to apple anymore. And she almost died of medical issues while in jail for the week before they decided shed done literally nothing and released her. (in BAD shape I might add)

[@user-ke7mx3vk7k]

@@RoseFBN Wow, what a shitty way to fire someone

[@RoseFBN]

@@user-ke7mx3vk7k yeah no kidding

[@agusorellana5551]

It's quite fun how he hasn't lost his mind yet, gaming on a MacBook is absolute insanity, those Machines are mainly for productivity and professionals. Interestingly enough League of Legends for mac is still a beta, lol

[@Zebra_Paw]

He's moved to the dark side of life!!! Seriously Im a bit of a noob but my hardware knowledge is enough to write an entire book about major issues with Apple products!

[@whackbag3606]

Haven't bought an Apple product since like 3rd gen touch days & i do not regret my decision at all.

[@haysoos123]

Really wish they would have sent you an M1 Max, Dawid.This particular machine is a years old design. I have one that I DO use for gaming occasionally, although it’s primarily for work. It’s an amazing machine with different strengths. I do most of my gaming with a desktop PC that I recently I upgraded.

[@SyntaxTurtle]

It might be a years old design but that's no excuse for it to be shit at CS:GO and DOTA

[@haysoos123]

@@SyntaxTurtle what do you expect though? The base M2 is not supposed to be a GPU powerhouse. It’s like a fancy iGPU, and you need more than 8GB in general for games.

[@alpenspass]

10:45 ok but its not a big thing... if a gaming laptop would be an extreme potato like the aplle laptop it would be quiet.

[@antiomega5244]

Designed by apple in California "Weird thing to brag about"

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

Imagine admitting you chose to have your corporation in California.

[@concentricmachining4636]

Peak Cali energy right there...

[@PyroCatus]

They don't really want to print made in China on the box so the closest thing to "Made in USA" is that.

[@XxViciousxX]

Yep designed in California put together by sweat shop kids just like Nike.

[@antiomega5244]

@@iHaveTheDocuments fr

[@samjd261]

I love it when my several-year-old food glitches through my plate

[@luciascarlet]

I'd love to see you cover one of the newer 14" and 16" models if you can get hold of one, as they have more powerful GPU's and more importantly just a FAR nicer screen with 120 Hz variable refresh rate and mini-LED backlighting. As someone who uses an M1 MacBook Pro as their main machine though this was still entertaining; good video. (I should note I don't game much and I mostly use this machine for graphic design and development.)

[@tokyosour4215]

“Yeah but remember it smells neutral clean from the box” “Yeah you’re right I guess you gotta pay for that” If that’s not the most Apple fucking thing I’ve ever heard -sent from my iPhone

[@godox01025]

13:12 in that money you can build a 3070 or 3080 PC .........which makes real sense.....🙄🙄

[@IlBiggo]

Now try to build a laptop.

[@jakegambino]

the "I can't click on apply" thing happened to me and i was pulling my hair out. I ended up plugging into my tv as a second monitor and making it so the window didnt disappear on the second monitor, but it took me like half an hour to get to that

[@gmt1]

Kinda hilarious how even Linux utterly obliterates MacOS in gaming.

[@Pratik_Sanyal]

Company : Sends over a Refrigerator. Dawid : Let's try some gaming on this external display!

[@IlBiggo]

The only difference is that he wouldn't get 200'000 views and all the PC fangirlism in the comments. Imagine people hating on a refrigerator for being more expensive than a laptop.

[@Pratik_Sanyal]

@@IlBiggo lol🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RQUKOfficial]

It'll be interesting to see how Apple's rumoured VR headset fares. No doubt it'll look amazing and be ridiculously overpriced.

[@ultrademigod]

Don't forget needing to be replaced in a years time.

[@riptaiyo]

Yeah nah that’s where I draw the line, I have every apple product but that just seems like a cuck moment if you buy it

[@mattmeeris9556]

You don’t actually have to have the mac plugged in for full performance! ^^

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Until a couple years ago, when they were still on Intel processors, games that use OpenGL would run on it. And OSX/macOS is still Unix at it's core. So many games that run under Linux also run there. But now they have depreciated OpenGL support (only supporting their proprietary Metal API) and only 64-bit only stuff. So Apple used to support way more games but have decided not to do that anymore. You would have a much better time with gaming on an Intel Mac, especially since you could just plug in some external GPUs and run some crazy shenanigans like GT 710 SLI or a 3080 with it.

[@TheStopwatchGod]

Yeah The last few Intel Macs (MacBook Pro 16", 5K iMac) were really good gaming computers without external GPUs. Granted they were insanely expensive, but if you were buying them for work, you could also play games really well without having to buy a separate Gaming PC/Laptop. And even if you had an older MacBook Pro with a quad-core CPU, you could connect a powerful eGPU to boost gaming performance to high-end PC levels.

[@cleveruserid]

Strange parts has a video where they upgrade the storage in an iphone. He eventually pulls the NAND chip off with hot air and tweezers, puts the chip on a jig to dump it's contents, reflashes a new upgraded chip with the contents of the old one before reballing it with solder paste and a stencil, and finally uses a hot air station to reflow the solder balls while the chip was in place. This could probably be upgraded in a similar fashion if you're willing to kill tons of hardware learning or source dead hardware to learn on.

[@harleyappezzato7301]

I think we all knew the direction of the video but, you really should have done an m1 pro or m1 max macbook. It does much better at… everything than this one, great video nonetheless :)

[@skilletborne]

But that would have cost even more Also, for 2000 to 2500, you could make a near top of the range PC or gotten a really high quality laptop. Heck, 1000 would easily outperform it.

[@harleyappezzato7301]

@@skilletborne if its for a video to my knowledge he can claim back on tax as a business expense, my point it why use the midrange Mac to test gaming (when we know its already horrible at it as a whole) when better options exist. I still enjoyed the video I'm not taking that away from him

[@007-v4r]

When Dawid says something is an experience you're in for a ride

[@Thommygun-qv7um]

Dear Dawid, that was the first Apple video from one of my favorite tech youtubers. Most of them, even Linus Tech Tips (Anthony for that matter) are sucking up for Apple. You did not and I love it! Especially the sketch at the end. Like: "Get out of my head man...." But about the device: Apple basicly built an editing asic. That is why they wont shut up about all the creative potential in their marketing. The MacBook Pro is good at that one thing and only that one thing. I loved so much that it sucks for like any other 3d application like gaming. Which is fine, IF they would market it like a single purpose machine. But they don't. They make you believe it is great for everything, which is total BS. But lying and overcharging are the 2 pillars of Apples success. And the army of iDiots will make sure it stays that way...

[@Ed.E]

Just because it can't game doesn't make it multi-purpose

[@Thommygun-qv7um]

@@Ed.E The are marketing makes it sound like this thing could do everything, even heal every illness. If they don't want ppl like Dawid make fun of it they should stop that false advertising. Or price it way lower. None of that will happen.

[@Ed.E]

@@Thommygun-qv7um I feel like it's widely known that Macs are creativity and browsing machines?

[@itcaboi1707]

@@Ed.E didn't apple show the m1 (or was it the m2) pro max reveal benchmarks for resident evil village or some other game but when people got their hands on it, the thing couldn't even run it because of compatability issues? They also claimed it was perfect for gaming in that reveal aswell. It couldn't even run the game they advertised with.

[@Thommygun-qv7um]

@@Ed.E there we have the next set of issues with the versatility. The arm-Macs are more like a console than a PC. You have like 5 applications which are really good optimized for the hardware. Everybody be like: "Wow, final cut runs so well and fast". Like a PS5, which can only run games at 4K 120 hertz with that middle-of-the-road-specs because of opmization for that specific hardware. Try running a non-optimized program on the mac. It either runs like garbage or non at all, like Dawid showed. Not really much room for creativifity here. Which would be fine if that single purpose machines would be cheap. But they are way overpriced. Like: You take a 1500 $ windows based notebook. Premiere Pro might run slower but you are able to run other software as well, like DaVinci Resolve.. And the speed will be dependend on the hardware, not the opmization. Actually, you can use it for gaming, coding and everything else you desire. And it comes usually with more than 8 GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD for the price. And it cam usually be upgraded. Often there is even a decent dedicated GPU included. Don't like Windows? Run Linux, get even more freedom. I know, freedom of choice can be scary if you are only used to the Apple dictatorship. But you should totally give it a try. It is amazing!

[@nimamaster6128]

"I think apple puts like a scent in these boxes" I wouldn't be surprised if they sprinkled a smidge of aromatic heisenberg dust over the macbook

[@howtomundane3109]

”aromatic Heisenberg dust“ just sounds like pulverised crystal meth.