Apple River stabbing trial: Witness describes chaos [full testimony]

Janell Duxbury was tubing with the Carlson group on the Apple River on July 30, 2022. She testified about the chaos, that left one person dead and four others injured.
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[@judahtribe7]

Isn't it funny how they're calling his face demonic when they all sounded like a pack of jackals ripping apart their prey

[@420surfdawg]

OMG , So true ... how/why did they all gang up and scream laugh thenhe react to the lady in his face, then they Jump him , smacking him all over ....

[@BallisticCoefficient]

wow. Your threshold for outright murder is very low.

[@Zhana808]

And if what they saw was a demonic face, all the more reason to RUN.

[@ThePeachtree69]

@@Zhana808the mob felt like they were in charge and were going to hand out some mob justice. They weren’t about to leave or back down. Mobs never do that. Until they realize reality has set in.

[@schrodingerszombie2401]

@@420surfdawg LMAO "React" = HIT A GIRL 1/2 his size.

[@thewhoopingcrane]

So what you're saying is A gang can go around assaulting people.But once they defend themselves, then the gang becomes the victim.....

[@aceball7076]

There was no gang. It was a community of decent folks.

[@Daniel-fq5vq]

@@aceball7076it was a “pack of friends.” They did have a token blk friend who started the whole incident!

[@goofygirl1311]

They were a mob! They might be fine as individual people but as a group they took things too far that day with dire consequences. They were feeding off of each other and dumping fuel on the fire, the situation kept getting worse and worse. Saying that the old guy could have just walked away from that crowd is ridiculous. I'm sure he was afraid to even go back to his own group fearing that he would lead that mob to his own wife and friends. He was very clearly outnumbered and that crowd was not about to back off.

[@LaPlaztique]

@@goofygirl1311Thank goodness for people who have common sense and use their eyes to watch what transpired and why. This man was being attacked!

[@halokillernoob]

It's not even a gang. Watch all the testimonies. It's like 3 separate groups that all came together. That isn't a gang or mob. Also watch the original video without the FOX banner across the bottom. The old man pulls the knife out of his pocket about 20 seconds before he gets pushed. He had 20 seconds to walk away but chose to kill and attempted to kill multiple people.

[@TK-ni1pl]

"Taking a little nap." Tell me you are drunk without telling me you are drunk.

[@user-cz6sz1cn8o]

If they are " children " why wasnt anyone charged with underage drinking or contributing to a minor ????

[@HeadNtheClouds]

Because it’s a murder case

[@MIAreturned]

If they’re children, their parents should be charged! These kids shouldn’t be assaulting anyone so they provoked it.

[@jerrycoleman882]

So far, IMO. Not Guilty! Drinking & Mob mentality contributed to this incident ! Hands down!

[@reynaolvera7526]

Right? What happened to the doctrine of clean hands

[@puckgold4956]

I have wondered the same thing from the very beginning.

[@jeepinwithjulia]

They were not "children". The lawyer is using that word on purpose.

[@fatee5069]

Legally they were. Under 17 is a minor.

[@_J0N_TAFFER]

The one who was gutted was 17.. why are you sticking up for the coward that used a knife to fight a bunch of soft kids? You attracted to cowards or what??!

[@ninas4968]

100% kids

[@TJ-so9xo]

I am confused. High school students are adults? They had a full year of high school to start that fall.

[@sallyannchappell5671]

Agree with you, not children.

[@chrismitchell9338]

If only someone had just helped him find the lost phone.

[@pt2163]

What a dumb excuse . Please stop

[@chelongogan3904]

No kidding Those teens were Losers

[@bloodsports94]

You're not smart eh?

[@dm6187]

​@@pt2163congratulations on making the dumbest reply in this thread.

[@coolnerdsclothing6377]

@@dm6187 sadly there is a few of them like that in the comments! obviously not many because this case is extremely obvious but there is always that odd group out just like voting!

[@videoettaceo8900]

You all looked like Lord of The Flies out there. Drink, call people sex offenders then film. Really great leisure activity.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Right? They call this dude literally THE WORST F'ING THING you can call a man, and everyone glosses over that sht. They swarmed and assaulted an old dude and he defended himself. I wish he could have ran tf away but well... that's not what happened here. Those little shts started the entire thing from what i can tell, and i started off on their side by just looking at the prosecutions presentation. Then i watched the actual video. . .

[@rockstarofredondo]

They are psychopaths.

[@440-fishermandrock8]

​@EQOAnostalgia not if you aren't a peddo

[@440-fishermandrock8]

​@@EQOAnostalgiahe got mad cuz he knew it was true

[@whathappenedtomyYThandle]

#LordOfTheFliesTrial

[@NaomivanTonder-jr7jx]

If the dreadlocks guy did not start with the name calling, none of this would have happened.

[@LibtardedDemoRAT]

Dreadlocks guy being the loudest and the instigator. Shocker

[@tproudboomer5965]

The smart ass replies he gave to the defense attorney were unbelievable.

[@0bservationist]

@@tproudboomer5965 he was lying and being difficult but at some point he just admitted, “yeah i made all that stuff up about him being a rapist, so what?”

[@tanyapandy1487]

So like y'all to blame it on the one black Guy🙄🤷🏾‍♀️ I think they all had a part in it!!

[@75silverfish]

@@tanyapandy1487 What they're saying is some parts are very much bigger than other parts.

[@wwjd4591]

Everyone of them have lied and said different stories under oath this is crazy they all should be charged

[@awakendsails]

Agreed

[@johndough2523]

100%

[@modernisto]

With what? Attempt to humiliate? First degree ridicule? Insults with a deadly mouth?

[@johndough2523]

@@modernisto in some states you can be charged with manslaughter if he or she causes the death of another unintentionally while in the commission of an unlawful act.

[@wwjd4591]

@@modernisto ummm it’s illegal to lie under oath ….. so ya lol

[@edwardr5778]

This generation of young adults thinking they can do these things & treat people like crap, especially when in groups hyping each other up, their phones out trying to record something is shameful and sickening. It's happening everywhere. It's heartbreaking to hear about a young man losing his life over dumb sh!t. All of them need to be held responsible. This is the definition of F around & find out

[@dawnlizmc]

I still think the stabber was a jerk, but it sounds like they fiddled around and found out!

[@Lord_Humungus]

This is from chat gpt- a person who was part of a mob or group involved in an assault can potentially be charged with gang assault even if they did not physically touch the victim themselves. In some jurisdictions, simply being present and participating in the group's actions can be enough to warrant charges, especially if there is evidence of encouragement, support, or intent to aid in the assault. Each case is evaluated based on its specific circumstances and the applicable laws in the jurisdiction.

[@GetCraftyLemons]

@@Lord_Humungus And a law professor stated whoever hit first, self-defense is out the door. Miu will go to prison!

[@schrodingerszombie2401]

This trial is the definition of F around & find out.

[@Jeremyramone]

Defunding public education for >60yrs was a brilliant strategy usa..

[@kidmarine7329]

If the guy is guilty why has all the witnesses lied their asses off?

[@mojoan]

To win? Not accept the contribution they had in this mess and the death of another...

[@Cookie4XO]

There's so many lies on both sides. The wife LIED about not looking at her husband or paying attention to him, but saw him fall, sent ppl to help, then not worrying about it after. The rest of Mui's group said they all rode in silence once he returned to the group after they saw CPR, EMS, victims not getting up, and their own guy friend called 911 3 times and helped EMS to the victims but their entire group claimed they didn't discuss it at all. ALL LIES

[@ginabird111865]

If the guy is innocent why hide knife why say I heard there was a stabbing as if he didn’t know ?

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@mojoan So they commit perjury to win? Seems legit. . .

[@sallytrued3804]

who lied??????????

[@nick-trish]

"Uhhhh.... We were all drunk off our asses and begging the the most trouble we could find!" ...Is more like it!

[@awakendsails]

They found it. Bullied the wrong one.

[@Super_Flea]

I wouldn’t describe muscular 17 year old football players as “ children “ but everyone’s got an agenda .

[@jayyy4491]

One of them had a straight up six pack straight out of model shoot. All were big even were wrestlers 😂😂😂

[@Steven-kl6lh]

I don't know... emotionally/mentally immature at 17 or 18?...my guess

[@revekat2053]

Brain not fully developed till around 25, right? Remember that

[@Super_Flea]

@@revekat2053 what’s your point ?

[@minnesotajames1]

It's crystal clear now that this drunken group that went over there to "help" caused this to spin totally out of control. No one deserved to be hurt but for me, there's plenty of blame that can be laid at the feet of that dad who told his drunk kids to go over there.

[@mojoan]

Exactly. They terrorized this man who was over 50 and all alone. What a bunch of bullies.

[@wandalee5977]

Right. Amen sissy.

[@mojoan]

@Koolaidistheshit It was a pocket knife that I understand people carry tubing...how would you act if 10 or more drunk teenagers were taunting you...calling you a perv looking for little girls, touching you??? Right. Scary.

[@LukeStephens-gw6fb]

Oh, there is a box cutter in this trial too? I haven’t heard that! There are also kids in this case?

[@fleafly70]

@@mojoanI’d walk away, simple.

[@sallyannchappell5671]

Those poor scared 13 adults and youths surrounding one single man. They must have been terrified when he was knocked to the ground and under water. They must have been horrifying when he stands still saying nothing while others are screaming at him.

[@alesia912]

Underwater!? It was like 2 feet of water 😂😂😂😂 he wasnt held hostage he couldve left.

[@tphvictims5101]

Mental health issues worldwide are a major problem. I hear you 👍🏻

[@daniellepaylor2840]

And the look in his eyes, as he said nothing trying to figure out his next move

[@Kate-285]

4 inches of water

[@theprncsschmst]

@@alesia912and they were standing over him and still pushing him around in the water. he could’ve easily been thinking that he wouldn’t be able to get up due to the pushing around or they could’ve easily held his head under the water.

[@debbiemartin2026]

I’m a child of the 60’s. This case is a clear and sad example of the times we are living in. When kids are raised by parents who break the law, and in turn kids have no respect for their elders. It’s very sad. For a father, serving his underaged child alcohol, and then telling the child to “take care” of a situation of chaos, and not handling it himself… God help us all.

[@idontknow0420]

🙏 amen

[@blakeb9964]

Exactly. Trash all around. Even as a teen, I would've asked the guy if needed help. The people defending these punks are just as bad.

[@zonkerharris1144]

Hi there we're THE CARLSON CLAN. We're here to help.😛😛😛

[@jackson9282]

Maybe the old drunk man should not have walked away when asked? Maybe he should not have violently charged, attacked, made contact with, grabbed their tubes and blocked them in? Perhaps after the kids screamed for help and group[ 2 asked him to leave he should have left and not pull a knife? He attacked first and he could have walked away the entire time. If self defence why does he wash and dump the knife? Why does he lie to police? Why does he lie and make up an entirely absurd story in interrogation? You don't get to attack people, be asked to leave and then get to claim self defence.

[@kayvee9094]

Whens kids are not parented and become cruel, lying young adults.

[@TheBigIsland-20]

Drunk People + Pack Mentality = Isaac Dies😢

[@fatee5069]

Senile old man + knife = life in prison

[@Gringa_L]

+ Excessive, Nonsensical Use of Force

[@elephantoflight3362]

So, only one person did all the damage… Not a pack….

[@_J0N_TAFFER]

You are a coward

[@windycity08]

They thought it was wcw

[@markr.9095]

If the second group didn’t show up screaming there wouldn’t have been a murder. The boys are doubling down on he said “I’m looking for little girls”, in which I’m finding it hard to believe them.

[@madsdee7803]

Yeah pedophiles don't really go around saying that. That is something in cases like this said by young upstarts wanting a viral video by following and accusing someone multiple times of being a pedo and waiting for the resulting self defence. They then blocked his path when he tried to leave and used the "he hit a girl" card after the fact because he didn't hit her at all. She's there saying "I think he hit me". Well most people KNOW when they've been hit.

[@AzothDee]

Even if he said that. I truly believe it was 1. A diss to the kid who asked him what are you doing. 2. An ironic statement. In Bosnia when someone asks you what are you doing but it's obvious (say cooking) one might say oh taking a sh@t. Cause it is clear what one is doing. And Nicolai is Romanian. I can see this is where he was coming from.

[@markr.9095]

@@AzothDee I served in Bosnia in 1996-1997

[@auslee2431]

but the video shows them calling miu a pedo before he approach them. is it normal accusing someone of being a pedo these days? if yes you should record yourself calling drunks a pedo see what happens.

[@SunFlower-sf1go]

@@auslee2431 That was the 2nd time Miu approached them

[@Langolin1998]

Funny how none of these others, did not try to grab their friends and get them to walk away when it was escalating. Only after they got stabbed did they go get them. It’s so good they have this video. Otherwise they would have all lied even more and said they never touched him, hit him, pushed him. Anything. They have to acknowledge it now, only due to it’s on film.

[@fatee5069]

Where would they walk to? He came to them... 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@videoettaceo8900]

​@@fatee5069it's a freaking river. They could have gone anywhere

[@Defender78]

It's all Jahwan's fault, he's the one who egged the whole thing on, he's the 1 who began taunting Mr. Miu, and he just wanted to film the whole thing even when the fight broke out, all he did was scream and say "this isn't real this isn't real and just panicked. Juhwan didn't even try to help anyone, and he taunted the guy and egged his crew to surround him, putting him in fear of his life, I think a lot of people are with Mr. Miu. I've seen some of these witnesses tell truthful statements, but I'm sure that all of them likely underrepresent how much they drank, cause they all seem to say 1 or 2 beers. I don't like how these videos don't edit out when the people on the stand tell their name and where they live and where they work, that should really be edited out

[@fatee5069]

@videoettaceo8900 the point is that it wasn't on them to "leave" he's the one that came to them.

[@trickortrump3292]

@@fatee5069It’s not on him to leave either. He’s not in their living room. He’s looking for a phone. They have no right to tell him he can’t be there.

[@dollyhood6549]

Never seen a situation get less intense by intervention of 3 drunken women. NEVER. Ladies, 10/10xs you will make any situation where men are fighting - worse.

[@randymorgan8375]

dollyhood6549 I could not agree with you more!!! It's always goes down hill from there.. I believe that's why for years that were not allowed in the military with men..

[@dollyhood6549]

@@randymorgan8375 then your beliefs lack nuance. Women in the military are trained professionals who deserve your gratitude & respect. I’m talking about drunken civilians. They are not the same. ✅ We ( u & I ) are not the same. ✅

[@richjames7948]

💯

[@pearljamin]

Agreed. All of the wiener swinging I’ve witnessed has ended with handshakes and high fives.

[@aliciadawn8026]

You can be attacked by a mob and then prosecuted for finally defending yourself. If someone is beating and holding me down in water, after an unprovoked nonsensical encounter with a bunch of drug and alcohol addled criminals…I’m definitely going to believe the next step is my death. There isn’t one quality person in the bunch of witnesses I’ve seen so far. The father who sent his sons over to de-escalate the situation?? Those kids of his were drunk and looking for an easy target. When watching the testimony of his sons I spotted the “security guard” who thinks he’s a cop mentality. It is unfathomable that 1. This happened 2. The idiots filmed themselves 3. They ALL lie, and are terrible at it 4. That the police didn’t see through the lies of the instigators.

[@auslee2431]

you forget miu approach them after being called a pedo. why would random strangers accuse someone of being a pedo?? i guess he could of walk away when they called him a pedo. did he?exactly he chose to walk 25 feet to approach them

[@dommedelores281]

he’s still an adult capable of choosing his battles… murder is not the answer. he choose to walk over to a group of people yelling at him and pounce on them. he put himself in the situation, instead of just thinking “these dum kids” and continuing looking for the phone

[@kimlittleton4943]

@@auslee2431 Has anyone watching his wife's testimony? He walked away, to his group, and then returned. I figured he got the knife at that time. It hasn't come out yet, but it makes sense that is what he had done. So this was intentional. Look at his face on the video. He intended to harm someone, but wound up harming many.

[@auslee2431]

@@kimlittleton4943 omg the wife testimony is the worst. they took it easy on her. the wife admit he was drinking so called 2 beers then basically talk about his past then i don't know like 2/3 of the questions. you should watch it, you might enjoy it lol. but that is what im also assuming too because it was already de-escalate there is no reason to go back a 2nd time unless he trying to start trouble. i honestly hope they release the full river video so everyone can see the before it happen.

[@Gold-Dust-Acres2000]

The old fart seiko was drinking as well he was acting like a male Karen also has a knife in his pocket

[@raymondpowell7730]

Funny all these witnesses remember what this man did. But wen asked what there part in this whole thing is o i cannot remember.

[@aaronnichols9444]

Jurors will remember this!

[@Deno2100]

Never follow a drunk girl named Rhylee into a river brawl. That's just common sense. Hopefully the community sees the punks for what they are.

[@themythhunter9764]

Do you have any idea how fast this all happened and how traumatic it would be to see a man gutting people!

[@raymondpowell7730]

@themythhunter9764 obviously. But being as u said that people do not forget traumatic event as such. Now if you been smoke weed and drinking in hottest sun and yelling getting dramatic while filming yea they did not forget nothing the man did. It's jus there actions they don't remember.

[@johncallof8839]

@@themythhunter9764 I mean, it's all on video. Took them a good 10-20 seconds to realise their friend was leaking himself, they were so busy screaming that he was a pedophile and laughing at it.

[@VSMOKE1]

The only ones I saw acting like a demon or demons were those teenagers disgusting display the parents 100% failed these children

[@sneedhero]

Some people are genetically predisposed to evil behavior.

[@Karma4All-]

The demon had a knife against unarmed people and the way he used the knife; the look on his face; that demon has stabbed and sliced people in the past.

[@angiejorah]

@@Karma4All- The look on his face was fear for his life.

[@VSMOKE1]

@@Karma4All- lolololol sure those self defense is not a crime this is like Rittenhouse all over again

[@user-db2kl8bj1j]

why was he running in the water HE knew what he was doing just a drunl impaired axx hole

[@DesignRhythm]

Strange how not a single person actually saw the punch.

[@DesignRhythm]

@taramcgavan7654 He pushed her out of the way. If a 250lb man punched a woman in the face, she would have gone down. She didn't even drop her beer. Note how not one single witness could say which hand he used, where he hit her, what type of punch, etc. Not one. It didn't happen, sweetheart.

[@judithgannon5642]

​@@DesignRhythmI think she pushed at him first

[@DesignRhythm]

@@judithgannon5642 Yes. The 2 girls were over the top, yelling + putting their hands in his face. You can see the heavier girl grabs his arms and that makes him mad. I believe he pushed her out of his way and flailed like LeBron to make it look worse.

[@KevlarSammy]

The person who was punched is hiding. She won’t get in camera or audio. So we won’t know what she said until the transcript is released.

[@johncallof8839]

@taramcgavan7654 So i just need 13 of my friends to call you a nonce ? There's no proof of any punch, no sound, no reaction until a few seconds later. They just made this up in the video like they made up the whole "he's looking at little girls underwater" part to mock him and instigate something.

[@laurastone6578]

Why couldn’t this group of teens mind their own business? Stop your bullying!

[@LeeBee00]

Or at the very least, they could have offered help to the man to find the phone he was searching for. I know my kids would have helped in a heartbeat.

[@lindsayclark6453]

Agree 100%

[@stclairstclair]

HE CAME UP TO THEM, They didn't seek him out, As an adult man I do not linger near high school kids in bathing suits.

[@LeeBee00]

@@stclairstclair He went to the area where he believed the phone to be, he didn’t go up to them for the fun of it. They just happened to be there. I don’t think he intentionally went over there to off someone, just because. They verbally attacked him, and things got escalated very quickly. In my opinion they are alllllll in the wrong.

[@debracongram2109]

​@@stclairstclairHe was looking for a phone.

[@Fun.Guy.Forager]

I dont see why these girls needed to come to help to a large group of jocks but to be fed into lies and basically escalate the situation by taunting the old man and getting in the way. While the kids egging them on stand away and video tape. They wanted to cause a scene they did and mission accomplished right.

[@Anna-ww4pv]

They are drunk. They are show boating.

[@linedanzer4302]

After watching them yell, taunt, tease, push, shove and slap this man it's clear that *they are all sitting in court with dirty hands.* There are no innocents here, no matter how they cry and act pitiful. I'm not buying. I saw the video. The only person I feel for in all of this is the deceased because he should not have died behind something so petty and trivial. His friends should all be bearing a whole lot of guilt for taking the situation to that level. They all - including the defendant - could have simply turned and walked away,

[@madsdee7803]

The dead one was filmed lunging in for his turn to push him down when he connected with a knife. I have no sympathy for any of them except the man they were using to make a viral video by calling a pedo and then pushing him down after accusing him falsely of hitting a girl (who was filmed saying she thought he hit her and nothing about him really doing it).

[@angiejorah]

The defandant couldn't walk away. He was surrounded by a mob.

[@briannatarelli430]

It is never simple to just turn and walk away when you are being insulted. It is human nature to defend your name and your ego that is why it is a dangerous game to insult and challenge people because you never know who you are f&^*ing with.

[@micclay]

​@@madsdee7803the skanks from the other group blockes his exit.

[@rsk-1337]

@@madsdee7803 this is slightly inaccurate, the guy you clearly see him stabbing is AJ and he didn't die. he was disemboweled somewhat but survived. isaac, who died, gets stabbed off the video screen (since the filmer guy moved the camera away from the guy with the knife to film irrelevant bullshit instead) so we don't actually see it happen although it probably looked a lot like AJ's stabbing just better placed

[@grunt9131]

Not one of them taken any responsibility for their own friend's death..this is like a movie..i spent 12 hours going over testimony and here i am doing it again 😢i cant stop

[@CruzCruz-nw7fi]

The perp disemboweled him 😮 that’s pretty crazy is nit defending himself

[@grunt9131]

@@CruzCruz-nw7fi is there an invisible line that your not allowed to cross when defending yourself? It could have been worse if it were just any other random person. You do what you have to until your safe. I think without the video this guy would have become a victim to the witnesses and court.

[@keemarie1]

@@CruzCruz-nw7fi well maybe if the kid that got disemboweled wasn’t shoving the guy with his hands around his throat backwards into the water the knife wouldn’t have went up in his stomach and disemboweled him!

[@kingti85]

"This is like a movie" must be what buddy recording was thinking. Went from "yea for the culture!" to "omgg is this real?" pretty quick 😭

[@sallytrued3804]

how much responsibility do you believe they should take ? and for what?

[@Tess-163]

These kids lying and provable lies too I hear they all got immunity but isn’t that off the table if they are caught lying ? Isn’t perjury a thing anymore especially when a man’s life is on the line?

[@latentsea]

Perjury and theft off the table since Convid.

[@nadagabri5783]

No one cares about perjury unless it’s the GOV / FBI chomping to take someone down.

[@0onpoint]

Defend yourself while White go gyim.

[@leoniemoar5409]

It’s on video the youth abusing an older man. They should be charged. All with attitude entitlement and take no responsibility. Parents and society create these brats.

[@Dont.Call.Me.Tall.]

Damn straight its these 50 year old people that raised this generation and now they want to gut them in rivers like fish. What lunacy.

[@mackdeen7021]

And make excuses for them. These kids brazenly drinking alcohol from a cooler in public and reacting over the top after the drunk approached obviously looking for something. Inconvenience…maybe. Or something to laugh at and get on their way. When we were young and drank we kept Sh!t under wraps and tried to avoid contact with adults. My parents didn’t protect me when I got caught doing things or escalating confrontations (that was not accepted). These kids reacted with wild excitement and complete pandemonium over a drunk guy looking for a phone. How immature. They used the opportunity to bait a reaction to record and get a video and escalate situation where they’re in the right to gang-beat an old drunk. Disgusting and deplorable for all involved. And I’m not defending him either. But These kids and other people escalated with the wrong drunk guy. They’re lucky they aren’t being charged and tried as well. As they should!

[@Dont.Call.Me.Tall.]

@@mackdeen7021 i agree under age drinking at the apple river needs a thorough investigation. All these kids drinking is getting all these people stabbed. 🤤

[@Dont.Call.Me.Tall.]

@taramcgavan7654 those rowdy teens so far seem more honest than the group that claim that he didn't have anything to drink(apparently the only sober person on the river so far.) Oh and they are watching the trial when they aren't supposed to. And the one guy claims that he was able to walk up to a panicked man and grab his shoulder and not get stabbed. What was his group doing to cover for this guy? Were they deleting videos off their phones, and cordinating this? I think his group is playing stupid games and being allowed to claim they can only speak spanish in some points then getting on stand and wanting to testify without interpeturs. They aren't being honest. Oh but they just continued on their trip down the river through the blood that nut stabbed out of highschooler. They are looking less and less honest as we go. What they are saying seems more insane than what those rebelious teens told police.

[@taniamz3001]

I can't help but cry every time I watch the video. It is so horrible. Poor man. If he hadn't done something they would've probably drowned him. And that would've been "fine". Since they were "just kids doing kids things".

[@jbooker7099]

2:45 prosecutor: what was Madison doing? Witness: being drunk and obnoxious as fuck.

[@Red-yz6fl]

And smoking meth

[@AngelaMossow]

Bwahahaha

[@amydavis4945]

Watching all these witnesses, it sure seems to me that **if nothing else** every one of them is lying about how much they were drinking. I mean, come on... Janell said she had one shot of the schnapps, and "maybe one beer", and claims she wasn't impaired. But seriously... the middle of the day, having fun tubing down the river and she felt the need to lay back in her tube and "take a little nap". That's what DRUNK people do.

[@zonkerharris1144]

Hi there. We're the Carlson Clan. We're hear to help.😛😛😛😛

[@dant.1028]

These little high school "tough guys" found out about the real world quickly when they sadistically attacked an elderly man. Once he began defending himself they started crying for their mommies. The DA should be ashamed for bringing this case and persecuting an elderly man defending himself.

[@karen_update6704]

Agreed!!! The prosecutor should be ashamed that this man spent two years in jail

[@roxanneglynn1272]

@dant.1028 go back to the original video and watch the first 15 seconds he accosted those kids they asked him wtf he was doing he mumbled something about girls and kept touching them and moving their tubes that they were in they got out and told him to get away from them the “pedo” talk wasn’t them just saying you’re a pedo it was get away from us you pedo. He didn’t then after being yelled at by two tiny girls (once again telling him to get away from the kids) he pulled a knife on them only then was he actually shoved to the ground before anyone stepped to touch him besides the girls not letting him walk closer a kid yells bro he’s got a knife then they shoved him into the water. They would’ve gotten stabbed no matter what they only saved that kid about 30 seconds but it would’ve saved his life if they had been able to keep him down. This man went to start a problem murdered a kid on purpose fled the scene and lied to police until he was shown footage of what he’d done then all of a sudden he was looking for a phone and was “scared” talked to all his friends like nothing had happened like he hadn’t stabbed 4 people and was gonna go about his day. And notice when he did leave it was the direction they had asked him to go. So when they told him over 20 times get tf away from us go go go he could’ve easily gone but instead he chose to stay without another thing coming out of his mouth never backing down or away from anyone. And then stabbed 4 humans killing one disemboweled another and traumatized everyone.

[@catsanddogs8983]

Drunk disorderly teenagers pushing an older man into the water, calling him names, surrounding him, sickening, so I guess the old guy had a knife and defended himself, gee that's awful these days, what a bunch of total loser young adults.

[@dudemorris7769]

Exactly, for the prosecution to not charge all the 13 underage inebriated & weed smoking teens is a crime itself. For them to then charge this man after they had started it, & Madison actually had hit him in the face with her phone, (accidentally or not), is what got her slapped & rightly so. They then starting punching him in the face & knocked him into the water where they were attacking him from front & back. The only people Mr Mui cut were the ones holding him in the water while all of them were punching and slapping him. He did what he needed to do to survive, period. Clear case of self defense!

[@brianrash9885]

Ring in the lip, says it all.

[@mydnytmover]

@@brianrash9885 grow up.

[@mydnytmover]

@@dudemorris7769 So do you slap and stab girls to?

[@brianrash9885]

@@mydnytmover You must have one in your lip and nose. When you get drafted you will be forced to remove them.

[@snowyboots2706]

A paedophile announcing to a bunch of strangers that he is a paedophile?? So he just tells these random people that he is looking for little children?? That doesn’t sound right to me. Also, just for arguments sake, let’s just pretend we believe that’s what he said…. These people have never heard of sarcasm? Either way, I smell bullshit!

[@sociallypatterneddefect9580]

Yup the man recording made it up started yelling lies to insite the mob for his. Video it's his fault things ended up the way they did

[@thedullone]

why do all these young people talk like its a struggle to do so.

[@charliedaubitz2046]

Lies are harder to remember.

[@msmoxiemadison]

Because this is traumatizing?

[@KalindaKhan]

brain rot

[@latentsea]

It’s so draining talking and stuff ..

[@browneyes2100]

Because it's really nerve racking to constantly lie

[@rpgray8188]

It is horrible that this happened. I would be terrified if i were surrounded and being pushed down in the water. It's easy to say what each person involved should have done, but how do you actually know until you are in the situation. My biggest problem with defendant is he left and just acted as if nothing had happened.

[@richjames7948]

And imagine the poor guy had just had triple heart bypass surgery, he must have been terrified of having another heart attack.

[@kdog6958]

Shock, fear, concussed. Makes peoples do somewhat questionable things.

[@g2gCthe]

said all that but end with how the defendant act in that situation is ur biggest problem.....X.x

[@jobbins008]

He had no duty to stick around a dangerous situation. One of the mob members could come back with his own weapon and retaliate.

[@g2gCthe]

@@jobbins008 per one of the mob member, they were forming a wall, surrounding him. and in the video, they did that and attack. so it is not about sticking around. you act like it's his fault for that. O_o

[@keemarie1]

Everyone in these comments needs to go back watch the video of the incident and slow it down to .25 speed. it clearly shows the two girls both touch and push him before he supposedly punched her in the face!

[@madsdee7803]

I saw it and they all are lying now to justify pushing him down like that onto rocks in a river where he could have drowned. They gave him the self defence plea with their mob. Other people have died ike that and I'm sure he knew it.

[@oxyfee6486]

Is it vaping, alcohol, or drugs, that makes these young people look like they’re in their forties? I guess it could just be stress. Anyone?

[@HarryHolland-fc8kh]

Its the camera

[@spacecat86]

Meth.

[@spacecat86]

@@HarryHolland-fc8khcamera’s dont stretch your skin across your face and lower your voice. “It’s the camera”….dumbest crap ive ever heard of

[@nazur72]

Vaping.

[@kingti85]

Wdym she just been run thru a lil bit

[@GrowingMan8]

The prosecutor hesitates and stumbles over the very first question he asks 🤦🏻‍♂️ You’d think he’d have a solid plan by now…

[@TylerFrey-qf8zg]

Because he's seeking illegal prosecution. Of course he doesn't have a plan.

[@keithsergent2539]

It's almost like they told him to absolutely butcher this case.

[@bromontana8100]

I was actually for the kids at first in this case.. until, you see the video altercation and it's clear the kids are who started it. with the arrogant, drunk laughing and cackling. It's embarrassing

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@bromontana8100 Same here, i was for them. Then i saw the ACTUAL evidence.... funny how that changes things.

[@madsdee7803]

@@EQOAnostalgia and their families had 2yrs to bad mouth their victim. Pathetic of their families who didn't care that they could have drowned while drunk, could have died in a car accident driving home while drunk or getting a lift with one of those drunks, would definitely have NOT cared if they killed someone else while driving drunk either. Now their poor kids are choir boys and innocent little girls and he's a bad guy for defending himself while they were trying to drown him.

[@joannagle803]

Could all have been avoided if these teens had just said we’ll help you find the phone, instead of bullying and name calling.

[@Mike-sc4li]

This. Instead we have a culture now where clicks by any means leads behavior. And these teens despite the tragedy are truly ugly when viewed through the lens of harassment.

[@auslee2431]

the video doesn't show miu answer he was looking for a phone if he did answer im pretty sure most people would of help him look for it. but it does show them calling miu a pedo tho. then approaching them. so it does mean miu could of walk away or told the kids he was looking for a phone but miu did tell them. but that doesn't matter it seems the comment and the lawyers dont care about how it started. lol

[@Trendyviews.]

He didn't come up with the phone story until it was all over.

[@catsandlashes]

No one knew he was looking for something. he ran up on them and stood over them like a weirdo, which is probably why they started making fun of him. he had plenty of time to say something or simply walk back to his tube

[@markkulyas2418]

Sadly the instigator with the camera wanted something spectacular to post on social media, well he got it, and in the process ruined a bunch of people's lives.

[@bellboi9211]

Damn this woman looks insanely worn out

[@TheOtherBoleynGirl336]

They’ve all looked pretty rough around the edges. That’s what excessive drinking and drugs will do to a person.

[@Hey_its_just_me_to]

Yup she looks a little rough, but they all do!

[@Legacybyt]

They all look like they are in their 40s

[@barkerlandar]

Listening to this questioning is enough to make one worn out! Or pull your hair out! He’s as bad as JCrumbleys defense council.

[@petebusch9069]

Meth

[@aaronnichols9444]

There’s NO WAY this man gets convicted!!! This is why the system of elected prosecutor should be abolished and should not have absolute immunity. This prosecutor should be sent to prison for criminal negligence, prosecutorial malpractice, and corruption. The video tells the whole story, these intoxicated high schoolers are guilty of a mob attack on this poor man. No reasonable juror will convict based on video evidence.

[@grxygxds]

You can freeze frame the video of the incident 4 different times that show the mans response was justified 1. they surround him accost him and push him on the ground 2. They punched him in the face clean shot on the jaw could of easily concussed him or put him in a state of terror and mental stress or confusion 3. the pushed him back into the water after trying to get up could be seen as attempted drowning remember this man was just punched in the jaw 4, the aggresor attacked the victim with both hands you can see it clear as day in the video all four things happened before the man responded. Theres a lesson here and its called just walk away, dont assault people, dont let mob mentality take over, just because you are in a group does not give you immunity to attack people, anyone being attacked by a mob has the right to defend themselves, oh was it too gruesome for you? too fucking bad, if those kids would of knocked him out in the water you dont think they would of let him drown. spare us your simp cards, he justifiably defended himself.

[@mclbanton]

I must have missed where you say Mr Mui hitting Madison that started the chain reaction of events? Mr Mui should have stayed at the scene to defend himself to police who were being called. Was he still scared at that point after defending himself if he felt that strong about his actions?

[@CitizenWilkes]

​@realityreviews2314None of that matters if there was no crime to begin with.

[@Raine247]

@@CitizenWilkes there was. If he would have stopped stabbing after he gutted that one kid he would probably be okay in his self defense claim. What's going to screw him over is him stabbing the girl. She was no threat and he walked towards her to stab her. His wife also had a terrible demeanor on the stand which will also influence the jury.

[@deepemotion2745]

freeze it at the beginning of the video where the old guy walks right up to the group instead of the other way lol and flips the guy on the tube lol he walked right toward them with a knife lmfao at the very beginning of the video first 10 seconds

[@BlessedMomfrTexas]

There is no evidence of Madison getting Slapped. In fact, the officer tried getting her phone, and she had deleted her photos???? WHY??? OOH OKAY. PROBABLY BECAUSE MUCH MORE ON HER PHONE. ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS A SERACH WARENT TO DOWNLOAD HER PHONE, BUT THEY DIDNT DO THAT EITHER.M. ALL THAT HAS TO MAKE YOU WONDER WHATS REALLY ON HER PHONE?? NOT ONLY WOULD THAT HAVE HELPED HER, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD OF RUINED THE CASE FOR THE STATE/ PROSCUTERS.. PEOPLE TRUST GOVERNMENT FAR TOO MUCH!! LONG STORY SHORT, ALMOST EVERY WITNESS HAS LIED ON THIS STAND!! THEY ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING AND COMING TOGETHER TO CORRABRATE THEIR STORIES!! but it's very sad someone did die. Rest in paradise 🙏. No one wins in this situation.

[@marylouculkar4391]

Drunk teens turn into a mob. Why were minors allowed to drink alcohol in the park. This was a recipie for disaster. Many of the prosecution witnesses perjured themselves. This was an older man scared. He had no way out.

[@Jaydee71172]

It’s funny how they keep saying kids and children because it sounds worse, but no one seems to care that these kids were drunk and high. So in actual facts he was attacked by a group of people who were all participating in illegal activities to start with.

[@auslee2431]

you know miu approach them after being called a pedo. why would a random strangers accuse someone of being a pedo?? i guess he could of walk away when they called him a pedo. did he?exactly he chose to walk 25 feet to approach them.

[@mackdeen7021]

@@auslee2431 Agreed. Approached in a public river, by some drunk guy looking for his phone. It’s probably not even a crime. Ok he started some $h!t with some kids because he was looking for his phone and he was too drunk. But their ridiculous reaction was so over the top! And the “pedo” taunting, how has this become a thing????? do that to some people and you”re going g to get smacked…right or wrong it’s a predictable reaction. What’s wrong with these kids???? Over the top! and they were also way too inebriated and drinking out in public with no regard to being caught. Everyone involved were the stereotypical characters that was a recipe for disaster.

[@auslee2431]

@@mackdeen7021 thats the thing i believe people would of help him look for the phone if miu would of just said he was looking for a phone but the video doesn't show that. it shows them calling him a pedo and then he approach them. that is where both party at fault. young adults/kids for cracking joke do deserve to get smack not killed. but miu the full adult had a chance to just walk away or should have just told them he looking for a phone. all could of been prevented. then when you put stupid drunk people in the same room hell break loose.. both side should be held accountable. this is the society today we live in. shame

[@user-uu1hv8nv6i]

​@@auslee2431he mad at him

[@TheDopeShow81]

Another liar, the saddest thing, is how the prosecutors coach these people to act a certain way when they take the stand. Everyone looks like this just happened yesterday. Be adults. Tell the truth. Its half your faults you're there to begin with.

[@paulaheckman9928]

You're so correct!

[@BlessedMomfrTexas]

Of course hes in fear.. I will say, I do appreciate 2 great defense attorneys. YOU DONT SEE THAT OFTEN...

[@PSALM5161]

Out of thirteen kid's not even one tried to encourage the others to walk away from this man that they accused of being a pedophile. Such evil in this group.

[@gbh5912]

Many were adults, and even those not were 17, legally an adult in a criminal act- so technically they were all adults

[@marthienel2190]

Not true. The two Carlson brothers admonished everyone to fall back on arriving k.

[@LL-wc4wn]

Lol he pulled a knife and refused to leave the spot he was standing.. as a total stranger.. next to the teens. The same ones he just charged at and grabbed onto 40 seconds earlier

[@DesignRhythm]

@LL-wc4wn He doesn't have to leave because some belingerant broads yell at him. He walked away from them, and they followed him down the river. Watch the trial.

[@GetCraftyLemons]

@DesignRhythm He came back with a knife in his pocket and ran up to tubes touching 2 guy's legs. He instigated. He was mad & when he hit the girl (many witnesses saw it), then they retaliated & slapped & pushed. Miu is the adult & should have walked from the beginning. He was creeping, not speaking, & looked like a psycho at times! If it was self-defense, why did he run, hide knife, disguise clothes right away, walk past LEO'S, not tell his group, & lie to cops!? That's a guilty criminal!!!

[@lilithstribe]

SELF-DEFENSE: This young woman is the most honest of the lot. She was humble and not dodging difficult questions in an attempt to cling to a lie but in no way helped prove Mr. Miu committed 1st Degree Homicide.

[@voltage6405]

How did no one see Maddie get hit but everyone says she did. It’s crazy that no one is honest when there’s a video. Even the “sober” one said no one hit him.

[@larrysquires5321]

Even worse.... people who said they didn't see Madison get hit are now saying they think they saw him hit Madison. The dude who hit the old man, standing right next to Maddie, said the old man failed his arms at Rhylie - now, 2 years later, he says he thought the old man hit Madison.

[@Jazlin92665]

A couple of people said they did see it.

[@voltage6405]

@@Jazlin92665 who said they actually seen it? I haven’t watched all of them.

[@holliepotter7071]

Dude that punched first said he saw him punch Maddie and her glasses fall into the water and that's when he punched crazy dude and said "you don't hit a girl" and punching him again when he was stabbed.

[@larrysquires5321]

​@@holliepotter7071 actually... in the immediate aftermath, he said he saw the old man flail his arms at Rhylie (not Madison). Now, 2 years later, he says he thinks he saw the old man hit Madison - but doesn't really remember it when asked what hand the old man hit Madison with

[@lindsayclark6453]

This is one of the only witnesses I’ve believed so far, she appears to be telling the actual truth about that horrific day, the rest, especially the teens, have scripted and matched their testimonies, which is so obvious. Teens are awful liars, but they think they’re really clever. This, from Mr M’s POV on that day at that moment with 13 strangers laying hands on him, punching him and screaming the worse things that a human can be called is definitely self defence. Not guilty. I also think the owner of the tube rental has to take some form of accountability, he’s making lots of money out of allowing under age drinkers on his property. I also think the screaming blonde banshee completely escalated everything and should be charged by LE. I know women like her, with a drink in them they could and would cause war in an empty room.

[@madsdee7803]

She's probably watched the video after all the outcry now we've all seen it too. I bet her parents made her watch it so she didn't make them look stupid.

[@lizgee5331]

Was thinking the same.

[@Star-hk6gc]

She is only telling the truth now because what she told authorities was not the same as what the videos showed.

[@Tess-163]

The bar owner needs to be held accountable as well he supplied the liquor to the minors in his group and sent the kids over there to “sort it out “ they could have helped the guy but they joined in and escalated the entire thing .

[@Tess-163]

“To build a wall “ ?? Enough said smh

[@nicholasforrester8587]

This media is trying to convict this man! Why? It's obviously self defense! Any one who has watched the video can see the young people attack the man. Several times before he defended himself. And the young woman was starting the harassing behavior of the group who ganged up on the older man. Self defense is the only answer!

[@Janice-eb1zm]

Why did he go over to the group???

[@libertyna933]

Ego

[@nonyaxdova543]

@@Janice-eb1zmdoesn’t matter why he has a right to go where ever he wants it was a public lake

[@nicholasforrester8587]

@@Janice-eb1zm victim blaming is not going to work.

[@jimbolyard4889]

Not just self defense law, but stand your ground law

[@catpaws1196]

They all acted like rabid animals. But after seeing the video I don’t think I could vote guilty. Mio was assaulted and on his back with water up to his neck. He had to be fearful they would hold him under the water at that point. He stood there smiling most of the video not saying anything to the crowd and these rabid adults attacked him. Their behavior was awful. Hopefully they all learned something that day.

[@nazur72]

They also falsely accused him of being a pedo. All he was doing was looking for a lost phone.

[@debbievalentine6810]

Honesty id have been terrified. No excuse for how these people behaved and "Riley" just inserted herself in the situation, not once did anyone say don't hurt that man.. 13 to 1 and he's being prosecuted instead of them???? Make it make sense...I'm sorry someone died and ppl were hurt but let's be clear on who drew first blood

[@hadesunderworld4203]

Evisceration … to do that to someone … that alone takes a different type of person . I get the 13 to 1 … but to escalate to full on stabbing … thats also pretty crazy in itself , stabbing is so up close and personal … just keep stabbing everyone trying to kill everyone. You see his eyes … what that group did was wrong … but the Nikolai dude seems crazy to me

[@keemarie1]

@@debbievalentine6810 not only that, but if you slow the video of the incident way down to like .25 speed, you can see the girls pushed him before he supposedly punched her in the face. Seeing that took away any tiny 1% twinge in my mind.

[@unclebennyscreepycampfires6828]

Exactly. He was surrounded by loud taunting, aggressive people all younger & stronger than he. They were between him & his group, & his back was against deeper water. English is his 5th language (he learned last, at a later age), & had relatively recently had a heart attack & quadruple bypass surgery. He had alot of reasons to believe he was in danger(s). I could not convict him of any degree of murder after all I've seen & heard thus far. They want him to look like an irrational, pervy, aggressive man- & seems he is anything but. The defense atty had a great point as to why Jeshwan (sp?) was videotaping everything, & yelling inciting words for all on the river to hear like "Raper!"- he was inciting an incident & stirring it up for the sake of content!! The evidence supports that idea. This didn't have to happen for a lot of reasons; however, the least of which seems to have anything to do with Mr. Liu being a criminal.

[@colinmuld5452]

All of these people claiming they were not drunk ....means they acted like savages while sober... scary as hell. Animals

[@bromontana8100]

Great job by cross-examination catching this girl's lies. Four, manipulative, low self-controll drunks hang out and you're the 5th. what sounded like HE was the instigator turns to "he was confronted by Madi and then taunted. So couldnt flip the script and make her the victim" massive L 👎

[@yourmomsspermdoner]

​@@looking4things669The same witness that claimed her friend wasn't in his face😂.

[@bromontana8100]

@@looking4things669 I was just viewing the recorded video and the Witness. Amazing to believe these kids are the victims. Embarrassing

[@debbies6494]

@@looking4things669Madison was the instigator , the person who made the video started by calling him a pedo. For no reason, he got his friend killed! Madison then esculated the whole thing . He was one person, surrounded by dozen or so drunk and some underage teenagers who thought they were having fun taunting him. Their fun back fired when he felt the need to protect him self. The man was older, outnumbered by these drunk teenagers . They can’t call wolf after there taunting backfired.

[@looking4things669]

@@bromontana8100 You can't convict them for taunting and name-calling, but that can be considered for mitigating circumstances and lessen his prison sentence. That's about it.

[@madsdee7803]

@@looking4things669 can you convict them for pushing him down in the water again and again as he tried to get up until he did that and got away? I wonder what lie they'd have made up about trying to save a drowning man if they killed him doing that.

[@justme33126]

Demonic eyes?!! Seriously?! The man was seriously outnumbered and scared! I'll say the witnesses have been well coached by the prosecutor. Apart from Isaac's mother and the one who dragged Isaac's body; I can't say I saw any real genuine emotion and tears.

[@kristenkellytv]

His eyes looked demonic in the video. Are you serious? Did you not see it?

[@msmoxiemadison]

Outnumbered?? He was free to walk away anytime.

[@TheBeezusjones]

So why didn't he "walk away" all those countless times they yelled at him to "walk away"? Why did HE run at them ?? By your logic , they would have had justification to fear for THEIR lives and to gut HIM. ..

[@808ghostMiller]

It’s a good thing justme is an expert………🤦‍♂️

[@dalton-jon-f5791]

It was two years ago and you expect witnesses to react as if it were last week? Your man is a coward who stabbed a young unarmed woman who posed no physical threat to him. No decent man would ever do such a thing.

[@albertmarsh1796]

From my point of view children are the age of one year to maybe ten not drunken thugs

[@dollyhood6549]

In a court of law, children are under 18

[@angiejorah]

@@dollyhood6549 Really? Teens are considered children. I don't think so.

[@angiejorah]

@@dollyhood6549 Who bought the alchol for the children?

[@dollyhood6549]

@@angiejorah ok but what does the court say? This is a legal setting. Theyre in a courthouse

[@jimbolyard4889]

NOT children but minor's who can and should be tried as adults

[@cherylsalisbury3287]

Wonder why they are not showing the pictures today. They have showed them every other day.

[@madsdee7803]

Because they show these people are all lying.

[@lilithstribe]

Because they show it was clearly self-defense and they don't have the integrity to admit they blew it even bringing this charge of 1st Degree Homicide and attempted Homicide.

[@cheribee968]

Incites disorder and anger May create rage and confusion in the courtroom? I wanted to see pictures of/ video to follow the testimony

[@shecat1964]

I think it just the cameraman for this channel. Court TV shows things.

[@mercurygirl6897]

It can get gratuitous maybe…… it’s like people need visual trauma to feel anything! It’s terrifying! The state of blood 🩸 thirst! 😑🙄🙄🙄

[@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz]

Apparently those young thugs dads never taught them about the real world stuff all young guys should know. Zoomers listen closely; * Alcohol makes you feel "ten feet tall and bulletproof" -- You are not. *'Dont start none, there wont be none" *today ur gonna learn" and of course, the modern classic; F around, and Find out

[@lisachalmers5687]

Great Advice!

[@Trail717]

Someone should have informed the 50 something grown adult of these “real world” facts surely?

[@AzothDee]

​@@Trail717yes in this case he SHOULD have known better. But as martial arts teaches you never know who you are fighting. Goes both ways.

[@Trail717]

@@criticalthinker2022 I know right I feel like I’ve read these exact phrases on one of those boomer T-shirts that are sold on Amazon. The kind that have a graphic of the grim reaper holding two smoking revolvers on the front.

[@pammcmonigle6061]

I’m so glad I grew up when I did. I wouldn’t trade places with this younger generation for anything. The “time out” generation had kids and this is the result. The older man should have known better.

[@robertmead6543]

I’m really impressed with the judge and how he handles his court

[@taniamz3001]

Because of what exactly?

[@ShraddaNiche]

Agreed!!! He needs to take over the Daybell case!

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@taniamz3001 Maybe pay attention or offer some counterpoints.

[@deniseganey6890]

He aggressively went on a rampage and destroyed lives. Nothing , absolutely nothing justified what he did to these young people.

[@craigecho3173]

Atleast this one knows her lefts and rights.

[@lizgee5331]

😂😂😂😂

[@desirenicola6231]

She doesn’t , she says something about,,vertically challenged “ if I’m not mistaken

[@robert292-wr4ob]

he only stabbed the 5 who put their hands on him. messed with the bull got the horns FAFO

[@phylliseich2992]

Someone who’s recently had triple or quadruple bypass surgery does not deliberately go looking for trouble with a bunch of drunk stoned young adults.

[@AV84USA]

Looking at the videos, it looks like there was a piling on and mob type situation that escalated when the person being pushed fought back. What did they expect might happen? Did they assume there were zero potential reaction because they assumed he was unarmed? Do you only dog pile people who are unarmed, is that the 2024 rule? I dunno, he did stab people, but I wasn’t surprised he ended up fighting back. If this happened in a parking lot or at night, more people would see this as self defense. Is there any real difference though, especially when you have people pushing him into the water? You cannot convict this man without addressing the actions that the victims took. We’ll see what the jury decides…

[@ZeroPhilosopher]

Watch the full video. He initiates contact .

[@AV84USA]

@@ZeroPhilosopher this is just a video of her testimony.

[@CatalinaFOIA]

The older man had a right to defend himself. Should he have walked away? Sure. However once he was surrounded it became fight/flight. Unfortunately a young man died and many others were significantly injured. These young adults shouldn't have been conauming alcohol, as they all were not 21 yrs of age; so who is responsible for providing the alcohol?

[@randymorgan8375]

Maddie, did everything BUT Neutralize the Situation!! Instead she Escalated it and turned it into a killing... That is my Opinion..

[@karendaniel5786]

The jury is going to see right through the lies of the witnesses.

[@keemarie1]

I sure hope so. I’m flabbergasted they’re trying to prosecute him anyways. All I needed to see was the video and that said it all.

[@CatalinaFOIA]

​@@keemarie1I am also. 1st degree murder? The charges are too ramped up.

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@CatalinaFOIAWisconsin is crazy like that.

[@juststop022]

The jury's probably filled with Karen's just like the ones who teamed up on the old man for literally nothing.

[@patmont6598]

Was his face “demonic” or “terrified “?

[@amyfinn1426]

Definitely demonic. That man wasn't scared at all. He knew he had a very very sharp knife that could do damage. He is not a victim.

[@Kathayne636]

@@amyfinn1426 Beginning of your sentence may be true, but the 3rd sentence is not.

[@angiejorah]

@@amyfinn1426 Nic sh*t himself during the melee. I would say that was fear.

[@MegPaterson2]

@@amyfinn1426Absolutely, I completely agree 100%

[@MegPaterson2]

@@angiejorahOnly he said that, no one else verified that!

[@tak-tical_gaming]

Absolutely everyone that was stabbed were the people who first put hands on the victim. Only the attackers were stabbed. 100% self defense! If you value your life dont ever put your hands on another person!

[@marcmyers1465]

EXACTLY ! 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@browngreen933]

Question: "What did you drink that day?" Answer: "I started with butterscotch schnapps, then I had five Buds..." (five hours later) "...then I had several shots and guzzled a bottle of Southern Comfort."

[@legrandfromage6450]

This is a teenager?! Holy mackerel, the years haven't been kind to her, have they?

[@shawnfuzy3191]

Bullies + Alcohol will never turn out well. The teenagers were wrong for antagonizing the man, but the man decided to bring a knife and use it, and that was CRIMINAL. Somewhere, we've lost our way as a society. Anger and hate seem to be our go-to emotions. It's quite sad.

[@carolreeder7550]

Why have all these people on the witness stand when everything is followed with “after watching the video…” is said? Shouldn’t their testimony be based on what they thought and felt in the moment? That is what they reacted to from their viewpoint not the other side where the camera was filming. They didn’t stop and run to check the video and run back to the chaos. The video speaks for itself and is invaluable. Who’s to say if a video had been made from the other side things might look yet again differently?

[@Jaydee71172]

That’s because there testimonies on the day of the incident are different to the ones they have given on the stand and the video helps show them the actual incident that contradicts their accounts. It shows the difference between what they said and what actually happened. Having them explain and then showing the jury and the witnesses the video shows the discrepancy in their testimony.

[@aliciadawn8026]

Their testimony proves that they are liars. After testifying the lawyer shows the video to prove that the bullies aren’t trustworthy. I think the worst was the guy videoing. He’s the main instigator and 100% wanted his actions to lead to the defendant being attacked. How any coach saw fit to put him on a college team is beyond me. Guy lead to all of this escalating.

[@carolreeder7550]

@@aliciadawn8026 vs the poor old man that hit a woman and pulled a knife that he didn’t warn anyone he had mind you, that could have avoided it all if he’d just walked away…. Who knows what goes through one’s mind amid chaos? That goes for all involved. Such a sad situation

[@lilithstribe]

Great point. The State has even stopped showing the video.

[@carolreeder7550]

@@Jaydee71172 I understand what he’s trying to do but if the video is all they are going by, then just use it and call it a day. This goes for both sides. Let the lawyers hash it out in opening and closing arguments, which they will do anyway, and be done with it. Why waste the court’s time and money? Use it on the people that rendered help and the police officers, etc. IDK it’s a sad situation. Being polite and having manners rarely exist anymore across all ages I guess.

[@SinkFla]

the only thing this defendant misstepped on is going to the end of the river instead of waiting for an angry mob of 13 who attempted to kill him already let's pray we aren't put in the path of those who will stop at nothing for a viral video -draw adults nearby & yell out that they have proof you are this or that, And when they push you under water and punched you, you are surrounded by 13 people who are heckling and punching and pushing you, all because you turned around to look for your lost cell phone. then they take your personal belonging to make it look like "all we are doing is asking him to leave" when that isn't the case, Beating on an innocent, single adult is not ok simply-and surrounded let's hope you have a way to defend yourself like this defandant did. Nickolas Miu (54) against 13 young adults surrounding and beating on him, holding him down in the water. 5 teens (17) football players who run in a pack who weren't gonna stop til they got that video. and JaWahn didn't stop -he started it and continued recording the entire time. he didn't care that his friends were in trouble - he sat back and watched after encouraging his 4 friends to heckle a 50-year old triple bypass patient and endanger his life, then imagine defending yourself and behind charged-prosecution witnesses should all have been

[@88meemaw88]

When do get to hear from Madeleine the main instigator in this whole case?

[@madsdee7803]

She's hiding behind everyone else again like she did after she started it and claimed he hit her/

[@joborn1204]

She chose to testify off camera which was allowed by the judge.

[@88meemaw88]

@realityreviews2314 She was drunk and screaming in his face instead of being able to de-escalate anything. She’s the main culprit that caused the entire incident. Hope she’s happy, but she’s probably being the same person that was drunk and cursing at an old man.

[@lilithstribe]

She chose to have her testamony off camera and audio as well.

[@madsdee7803]

@@lilithstribe figures. She's a tad melodramatic and clearly narcissistic trying to act like a hero and then falsely accusing someone of hitting her to rile up "the boys".

[@johnaldred6864]

All these kids are lying through their back teeth ....the truth is these thugs were intoxicated on Alcohol & drugs & attacked him like a pack of rabid Dogs ..& now crying because in fear of his life he fought back....!

[@sarahmurphy8030]

They must be traumatized after seeing people stabbed dying and with guts hanging out.

[@sslaughter6357]

Stop this narrative, nonsense at all. Come on, the man attacked and killed a young man. No excuses for this man reaction. Despicable.

[@BettyWhite2171]

​@@sslaughter6357There was definitely an excuse! His life! He has a family too.

[@Cyberdyneskynet]

@@sslaughter6357would you be saying the same thing if the old man was black? You'd be crying Justice for him! They had no right to attack him

[@vikinggoddess2126]

Anybody watch the video? He went into this group of idiots first. He could have just left them alone. You could also see how far he walked to his group afterwards. Really both parties should be held equally accountable. There is no real victim, just stupidity.

[@johnlee2113]

Sad that a kid has to die but, he cause his own death. He attacked a guy that is fearing for his life. From a pack of drunken and drug up mind. Thinking they're the innocent people. The video doesn't lie all of you people are lying

[@sheilarainey218]

Had too. Laugh at her when she said seen this group of young children give me a break nevetr mentioned pissed bullies 13people round one man disgusting

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

how on earth did you manage to type so poorly

[@sheilarainey218]

​@@JustMe-fo4ev????

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@sheilarainey218 well that explains a lot

[@sheilarainey218]

@JustMe-fo4ev smart ass I do have a disability but 17 other people Can read it If can't read sorry

[@lindadunlap4281]

Why are these very young people so tired looking?

[@MrFrog_]

I thought that too.

[@kingduran007]

Druggy

[@ryshellso526]

Flyover states love meth...

[@phiakate]

Drink, drugs and guilt

[@88meemaw88]

Because they are scared to death, because they know they fucked up and found out.

[@judithfedowicz1524]

Can’t believe this man was so aggressive with a bunch of teenagers. Stabbed 5 people and is claiming self defense no one would have hit him if he didn’t punch a g young lady Of course someone was going to punch him back for her. Stabbing them isn’t self defense No one deserved to be stabbed the way he did! He isn’t an old man he was early 50s. They were starting their senior year in high school. Asking him to leave them alone and go away

[@nobody-fs8jj]

LMAO demonic? Guess people shouldn't fk with people. It'll bring out those inner demons you wish you had left alone.

[@bluestarlily1354]

We are trained in Mn and Wi and so on NEVER drop your drink! All videos taken need to be seen in full for everyone to see. The videos do not lie!!!

[@cinemma5834]

😂

[@markroe8229]

To be clear, they dropped their drinks very quickly once the target of their bullying opened them up.

[@josephzdyrski]

Maybe if y’all dropped your drinks more often incidents like this could be avoided

[@terr777]

Miu didn't drop his knife when he was knocked down either.

[@sidsmith4410]

They was taunting this old man, calling him lots names and saying he was taking pictures of little girls and probably calling him pedo and stuff, and they was all drinking, and alot there stories dont match, and Why would she get in anybody face? And she probably calling him names, just seems like they was trying bully this old man.

[@looking4things669]

Not the case. Not that it's a good reason but the women were told he was a pedi.

[@TheChitology]

Aww his feelings were hurt so he attempts murder? After being asked to walk away multiple times… bye Russian bot

[@lizgee5331]

​@@looking4things669which is a big lie.

[@JH-pt6ih]

@@TheChitology Ahhh, that's the hate for the defendant. These mob supporters think Romanian = Russian. I was wondering why so many people love the mob mentality and attacking a person by themselves - besides the US breaking down because of hooligans like this.

[@madsdee7803]

@@TheChitology he's Bosnian and not Russian. He survived a war where women were raped by the enemy, and then came to America to be used for a viral Tik Tok video by Jawahn where they called him a pedo...and then tried to drown him when he tried to leave after confronting them about trying to make him look like a rapist online. Poor babies had no idea who they were dealing with when they tried to drown him for walking away and not performing like they wanted in their video.

[@jessicaosteen1462]

If he felt like the stabbing was in self-defense because he was in fear for his life why didn't he stick around and talked to the cops. Instead of slipping away in all the commotion and floating down river....

[@madsdee7803]

Because the mob of thugs who were pushing him into the water were still there. You can leave the scene of a crime if you're in fear for your life.

[@FlyManChimera]

​@@madsdee7803 he lied to the cops and said he didnt do it 🤦

[@angiejorah]

Shock and disbelief as to what just happened.

[@REPR100]

The mob was literally walking around with baseball bats to beat him more, he didn’t have a choice but to float to the exit

[@lindadriscollpowers6136]

@@FlyManChimerathis is his coffin nail if there were one

[@rhonda5780]

I highly doubt that people in this trial did not have their phones. Young people are glued to their phones, especially during gstherings, vacation, having fun, etc.

[@tphvictims5101]

Us old folks as well 👍🏻

[@NondescriptMammal]

Yeah if you have ever tubed in the Apple River, it is totally believable that you might not bring your phone along.

[@seanthompson1197]

The main exception is swimming or tubing. Not trying to brick my phone.

[@kathy_townsend]

Not everyone has a waterproof case to put their phone in.

[@Sypherz]

If you're tubing, you might decide not to bring your phone so you don't get it wet or lose it in the river. And the bikinis don't typically come with phone pockets.

[@user-cz6sz1cn8o]

The DA should be fired for even bringing this case

[@sissysyme1334]

my guess is they had to due to the out cry from the children's family. Had to save face.

[@debbievalentine6810]

​@@sissysyme1334that's what I was thinking but if these were my kids I'd be ashamed, heart broken but still

[@browneyes2100]

Because he's a white male.

[@sandraholmes2711]

So you saiding if child was being unruly to another person that gives him the right to stab your child let it make sense

[@thistles]

⁠@@sandraholmes2711you are allowed to stab someone who is pushing your face under water, yes.

[@enigmaharlequin4247]

The killer didn't have to go so overboard. Total lie that he feared for his life. He simply went nuts and knifed a bunch of kids....killing one...because he was out of control and drunk. He could have avoided and defused the situation. This man needs to go to jail the rest of his life! Just terrible that he is now squealing like a baby that he was innocent. It's clear from the footage that he wanted to fight....he knifed a young girl...gawd this is terrible. Put the killer away for a long time!

[@jillymulligan4416]

Exactly!!!

[@kbstar12]

💯. Actually insane how many people are defending this lunatic.

[@vicster1962]

After watching the video, and if I was on the jury, I would have to find the defendant Not Guilty. In my opinion, it was self defense.

[@enviticus]

Right.. but why did he come charging at the kids grabbing their tubes in the first place?

[@KP-zj3zj]

He saw them holding up a phone and believed it may have been the phone he was looking for. (From defense opening statement)

[@sjastram]

​@@KP-zj3zj ummm...a phone he was told was insured and asked NOT to go looking for? So instead he goes after a bunch of teens armed with a knife? And looked stupified drunk. Yeah...the teens werent angels, but this never would have happened if he had stayed with his own group.

[@Theresa89]

@@enviticus, That’s not how it all started !

[@s.masson8263]

Yeah. Especially because he punched and stabbed a woman first. Self defense against a much younger woman. Guess he just couldn't handle one more woman yelling at him ---- he stabbed her to defend his stunted ego.

[@albertlitts2191]

My children would have asked the guy if he was okay and needed help, im not excusing this mans behavior,but parents gotta teach their kids not to call people names, especially in this day and age, this isn't the same days we grew up in, amd with most violence happening by the youth and how little concern for life this generation has i can see how having a group of teens around you can feel threatening. Again this is another unfortunate incident where alcohol and egos and people instigating a situation goes wrong.

[@TheFowlerAirgunChannel]

I don't think it's appropriate to jump people. Rowdy college kids

[@rockstarofredondo]

It’s a crime. Well, everywhere except Wisconsin apparently.

[@chriz9959]

regardless of whether he is convicted or not, and i hope he is acquitted, these juvenile idiots have escalated the whole thing and are responsible for the outcome, one has died and the accused is ruined, marriage over, legal costs, time and nerves lost. catastrophic the whole thing

[@dianebaker4602]

The disorderly drunken teens need to be charged and arrested. Nickolae was a victim and defended himself.

[@bobknull7502]

All of these people defending the only armed person involved should compare what he said to the cops before he knew there was video, to the evidence on the video. Did he call 911 to report that he was "attacked" ? No he hid the knife he left and tried to disguise himself. He lied about the knife to the cops. A member of his own group told the cops where he threw it.

[@susangreenwood-hill2039]

Pushed the wrong victim to far. If you want to be a bully in a mob, then be prepared for the consequences! Self defense.

[@grillbaked]

The victim is a cold-blooded killer.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Agreed. Don't assault people, least of all old dudes in the water.

[@jimbolyard4889]

Case of stand your ground and fear for your well being ,and Life

[@dawnprimerano8255]

She wouldn’t have been fearful of anyone if she didn’t get off her raft and go over there. PEOPLE LIKE THIS LIKE TO SEE OR BE AROUND ACTION/PROBLEMS!!!!!

[@madsdee7803]

That's called a drama queen. She's going to be the problem of other people around her her whole life.

[@dennismartin5821]

This reminds me of that time when I saw three big guys beating up an old lady. So I ran over there to help, and you know she didn't stand a chance against the four of us.

[@trinitybaker3214]

If he was doing it in self defense why did he ditch the murder weapon??

[@philmccracken179]

He doesn’t like to reuse his knives. He’s always been superstitious like that. He planned to get another self defense tool later

[@trinitybaker3214]

@@philmccracken179 that’s the dumbest shit someone could have ever said

[@philmccracken179]

@@trinitybaker3214hey thx

[@yarnpower]

Panic could explain that.

[@trinitybaker3214]

@@yarnpower then he played dumb yeah no.

[@cinemma5834]

Everybody saying Miu could have walked away: they were upriver of him trying to pass him. Case closed self defense man

[@trystenhoward2900]

He could have, idk if we have watched the same video but he is the one that walked to these teens as there were sitting on their tubes

[@auslee2431]

he could of told the kids that he was looking for a phone when the kid ask him what he was doing. but instead the video shown them calling him a pedo. isn't that strange. like the lawyer don't care how it happen they only care about how young drinking and drugs. the video doesn't show how he fell. yet the lawyer assume they did something just because 6 people was close to him. its crazy funny how these lawyer decide to forget about the small details.

[@amydavis4945]

Well... not so fast. You leave out the part that HIS party of 8 or so (including his then-wife) was DOWNSTREAM a short distance, hanging out on a sandbar when he WALKED back upstream - supposedly looking for a dropped phone belonging to someone else in his group. The people in HIS group, btw, saw this confrontation, and did NOTHING to come and help him. There are several frames in the video that shows a very CLEAR PATH away from the teens and "group 2" where he could have walked downstream, away from everyone. It should also be noted that HE is the one that walked over to the first group of teens that were in their tubes floating downstream and STOPPED THEM because they called him names.

[@honeybunch5765]

They did not allow him to walk away by what I've seen. They were so disrespectful towards a much older man! Killing anyone is never good, but the fear in his eyes was real.

[@user-pn1ms2xd4z]

What if that was your kid … cold hearted

[@kennybobby201]

I love how every witness states, “no, absolutely not, i was not impaired at all.” But then you watch the video… Pretty sure the darn fish in the water were drunk lady. Not a sober living creature for miles around that river, but good job blatantly lying to start your testimony. “Yea no yea i obviously drank a bunch of beer and shots but im very bad ass so i wasnt drunk at all. I actually only drink just to prove i dont ever get drunk.”

[@user-gh8yg9oh2x]

Taking a nap in her innertube. "What seems to be the problem, Ociffer? "How much have you had to drink tonight?" "Two beers."

[@joycemayfield2690]

Most have admitted they were drinking and most admitted being impaired. Explains their actions of being loud and abusive. The defendant on the other hand didn't have that excuse, his was just pure meanness and attitude.

[@kennybobby201]

@@joycemayfield2690 wrong, the mob witnesses admit drinking and claim they were NOT impaired including the woman in this video. They lie in the first few questions which is crazy, cuz we have it on video. Donte’s lie about being impaired is prob the funniest. That dude is beyond stupid. Everyone on the river was drunk. Everyone in that mob group were disgusting human beings, you need to watch the video cuz ya sound ridiculous. Nik shoved maddison lightly cuz she was spitting in his face screaming at him and shoving him. It was more than warranted and then the group attacked him and didnt stop till he defended himself. Maddison has zero injuries, ya cant say he hit her. She is holding a beer the entire time before and after, not a chance he punched her. Go watch the video. Its only 3 min long. You cant see the gory really anyway if thats what you are worried about. It doesnt focus on anyones injuries long enough to see intestines hanging out or anything.

[@teenyverse7707]

Only one drunk, MIU, murdered.

[@DesignRhythm]

From my experience, there ain't no one going tubing sober. Also, take the metal herpes ring out of your lip before testifying in a murder case ffs.

[@soulsharts]

Witness: "I was 1000% sure he was going to stab me in the back" Defense: "Did he touch you in any way?" Witness: "No" Me: so would you say your reasoning is flawed if you're off about 1000% on what you reasoned would happen? Witness: "He had a demonic look in his eyes. It wasn't human" K, now ask the defendant what 13 sets of eyes surrounding him looked like to him. Though I'm doubtful he'll take the stand.