Apple Updates iMessage with Post Quantum Encryption

In this video I discuss how Apple added post quantum encryption to their message app. iMessage is still proprietary, and still only works on Apples proprietary hardware, so while iMessage with PQ3 is technically more secure than Signal messenger, it requires you to put a great deal of trust in Apple which still makes it a less private and secure messaging app in comparison to open source alternatives.
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[@card_craft]

Now nothing can break them except the backdoors!

[@MentalOutlaw]

This

[@Ratzfourtyfour]

For your safety!

[@smallcube-zn2mm]

but backdoors are for enhAnced performance

[@beyblader261]

@@smallcube-zn2mm and "privacy" man!

[@GuitarPepe]

You mean the back door that the feds couldn’t get through? The one that almost got Apple sued/prosecuted because they refused to help the feds unlock a terrorist’s phone?

[@jonstark7106]

The safest way to get spied on by the FBI

But I've got nothing to hide!

[@GuitarPepe]

Bro if the FBI wants to spy on you, they’re doing it no matter what. They got into Tucker Carlson’s Signal messages, even. There’s nothing you can do to stop the government from digging into your shit.

[@GuitarPepe]

If the FBI wants to spy on you, you’re not going to stop them. Even Signal’s been compromised at this point.

[@sallysbananenrepublik3740]

I've got nothing to share either

[@Luckyluckyluc]

So all iMessage users will get spied on? That would actually be great since it would totally exceed their capacity, making the one individual who really has something to hide harder to catch. I see this as an absolute win..!

[@_abdul]

The Quantum Encryption basically means it's Secure and Not-Secure at the same time until FBI makes an Observation.

[@PySnek]

schroedingers encryption

[@Luckyluckyluc]

Apple never decrypted for the FBI...

[@whannabi]

FBI or anyone else stumbling upon the backdoor

[@stevengill1736]

LOL - absolutely......err, I think. Lemme ask my cat...

[@MananaMan]

pretty sure apple actually refused the feds for user privacy reasons

[@iFurane]

Funny how open-source pretty much dictates the change in the software industry, contrary to what the big tech tells you

[@vandread3555]

Why bother inventing a new type of wheel when some unkempt guy in mom's basement will code one for free out of the goodness of his heart? Mimic the algorithm, slap a brand name on it, make it closed source, and wowzers, look at this cutting edge software using the latest technology! We're the first guys!

[@ShadowManceri]

Big tech is the main contributor for open-source, like it or not.

[@Heisenberg355]

@@ShadowManceri in what way? almost all big tech product are proprietary

[@anon8510]

can we stop calling it "open source"?

[@anon8510]

​@@Heisenberg355they make use of a wide variety of free software libraries constantly, even developing their own (e.g. Meta developed React)

[@highdrated369]

Apple: as you can see we are at the top of this very important chart. Buy our product.

[@Luckyluckyluc]

That's standard marketing practice. And Apple is really good at it. Why do people pretend like that's something special exclusive to Apple 😹?

[@dabqu]

​@@Luckyluckylucdont make me mock you

[@Luckyluckyluc]

@@dabqu what? This is fax...

[@njpme]

I buy it regardless

[@Tommy-qu7tk]

Its free

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

Apple: “Signal did this first? We did this first. “

[@gentleman2292]

nEw aPpLe iNnoVatiVE tEcHnoLoGy !1!111!1

[@ispamalot]

Think different... like signal.

[@milesfarber]

...huh?? that's not what they're claiming.

[@ashyy6819]

@@milesfarberApple Antis are making up reasons to be mad at this point lol

[@thegoldenatlas753]

​@@milesfarber its just a jab at how apple will claim to be the inventor or first to do some given tech when others have been doing/using that same tech for half a decade prior.

[@RichardEricCollins]

Signal is level 4, the source is also protected against backdoors as it's open source.

[@novaTopFlex]

I said that Apple was 2 and Signal 3. Based on your definition, Level 2 does not exist.

[@zvpunry1971]

Please have a look at the "The Underhanded C Contest". ;) PS: There are similar contests in your favorite language or whatever you want, just search "underhanded" + + "contest". Sorry for causing paranoia. ;-)

[@C1yde902]

@@novaTopFlexlevel 2 would still exist but no companies would currently fall under its umbrella. If a company updated to end-to-end post-quantum encryption without rotating keys and remaining closed source, they would be level 2.

[@javjuegos_8917]

If Signal wasn't in level 2 it wouldn't mean it doesn't exist but who cares, it's a marketing deceiving chart made by apple

[@novaTopFlex]

@@C1yde902 I agree. Only open-source is ethical in any form.

[@RedOneM]

And they hold the decryption keys 😉

[@JacobJake7]

lol right, and will willingly hand it over

[@unitazer]

their icloud or whatever is less encrypted than these messages 😅

[@RedPlayer_1]

@@JacobJake7only if you glow bright enough

[@davidyoder5890]

...and have already handed over said keys to the CCP.

[@sippingthepeachsoda]

@@davidyoder5890baseless claim, provide a source

[@ensarsivasl47]

IT EVEN COMES WITH THE DECRPTION KEY

[@Luckyluckyluc]

If you want to believe that...

[@myce-liam]

@@Luckyluckyluc It's not really hard to believe... Just remember what Edward Snowden published

[@Luckyluckyluc]

@@myce-liam Yeah, and I remember every instance where the feds wanted Apple to break their encryption and they never did. Snowden exposing the spying tech companies are doing on your cleartext data has nothing to do with this...

[@Immortal-market]

@@Luckyluckylucswoosh

[@w1z4rd9]

@@Luckyluckyluc Technically it has a higher chance compared to Signal so yeah...

[@noderunner_]

Dang, now the quantum computer I keep in my basement won't be able to crack some random iMessages of people speaking purely through emoji and gifs.

[@monkeychild9999]

😢

[@DanteS-119]

😱🥺🙁😔👎

[@myxobe]

i won't ever be able to see an invitation to play 8-ball😢😢😢

[@ShatteredQvartz]

Sorry bro, I looked at your Quantum Processor and it bricked My bad

[@Jadty]

Gonna need some alien tech to decypher zoomer slang.

[@adseri]

I thought 3 is the number of backdoors it has.

[@Circe-wz3kg]

Lmao

[@unnamed1479]

lowball estimate says my gut

[@sifter14]

FBI, CIA, NSA

[@Luckyluckyluc]

Only that this never happened... I mean, it's okay to be a little schitzo but when all the evidence is againt it I think it's pretty laughable...

[@unnamed1479]

@@Luckyluckyluc I think it's safe to say neither you nor I know whether or not iOS has at least one backdoor. Do you choose to sit on the fence here? Assume benevolence? (Trying to understand your mentality).

[@cowthedestroyer]

I communicate purely through the astral plane with my friends. Get on my level

[@_RyzenCore]

I communicate with my friends through telepathy that travels at the speed of light

[@pungentzeus]

Based

[@augustday9483]

Virgin cyberspace user vs chad noosphere enjoyer.

[@gosteampunkdotcom]

Hahahahaha😂

[@gachivalantine3792]

​@@_RyzenCoreI've already captured and decrypted these telepathic light messages, send 600 BTC or I'll release them and the world would know your secrets

[@Carlito-yq8yi]

As far as I know, Line is THE messaging app in Japan (a nation 1/3 the size of the U.S.) and much more: payment processor, social media platform, etc. Not just some random app.

[@monkeychild9999]

WeChat is basically that in china

[@njpme]

Facts. When I used to live there, it was my go to app

[@w1z4rd9]

Can confirm, living here for a few years.

[@w1z4rd9]

It's also known for it's games, manga service and music streaming service too.

[@NFvidoJagg2]

Apple giving Signal free advertising

[@WashingtonFernandes]

True

[@robyee3325]

Tucker Carlson’s signal app got hacked by cia when he went to Russia to interview Putin

[@katielowen]

Lmao people think Signal is any more private? Try doing anything the FBI needs to view in Signal and see how private that chat stays😘🤣

[@NFvidoJagg2]

@@katielowen Yes we get it. Given enough motivation. They could just compromise the endpoint device. But this is an issue regardless of the app.

[@katielowen]

@@NFvidoJagg2 totally agree and didn’t mean to pick on you individually; I think the amount of commenters that trash on a company like Apple, and then tout Signal, Telegram, etc as being a much better solution are silly.

[@KiamKweli]

The 3 stands for the amount of Infinity stones that Apple gives to the letter boys. NSA, CIA, and the FBI.

[@firebadnofire9768]

Mullvad has had quantum resistant tunneling for awhile now

[@codingneko]

not quite sure what the point of any of this encryption is, if they're just gonna bake in NSA backdoors anyway

[@zfreak1234]

Maaan, MO, you just don't know how much I appreciate your videos. You make news from the privacy sector so much more understandable and summarize them precisely, that I hope you're gonna crack the million subscriber mark very soon! Much love from Germany my brother

[@gr0wnup5]

But they won't stop snooping via Notification Access 🙈

[@OWNERAdminUser]

notifications, which ones? classify them because you're talking about a wider range of radio channels than just one

[@whatareyousaying339]

Via notifications you receive on your phone with iOS such as iMessages, signal, I believe notifications aren’t encrypted. So they can see what apps you’re using and who’s messaging you because sometimes notifications will provide that information.

[@CarlyleA999]

Signal being open source is a great reason for Apple to throw them under the bus, because open source is the antithesis to Apples business model. All this despite the fact that Apple regularly uses open source to their own benefit.

[@SansaStarks]

Open source doesn't mean free if you create software you should have the right to charge people and I don't want open source developers to have to spend lots of time and get no monetary compensation that's why I think people who create good software should make money for it. Or at least work for a company that's able to compensate you with a job so you can continue creating your software.

[@MmntechCa]

MacOS & iOS are quite literally built on FreeBSD. Their refusal to officially support FOSS, especially on iOS, is like that time the Sony used pirated music in an anti-piracy ad.

[@rigierish3807]

​​@@SansaStarks nobody talked about free stuff, why did you bring it up? Now to answer to what you said without.evading the question: in a sane world, especially one where laws exist to protect citizens instead of companies, open source wouldn't even have to exist, because when a company would say "we respect your privacy", you can be 100% sure they do, because if they don't, they will receive a fine so big for false marketing that they would go bankrupt instantly. Unfortunately, we don't live in such a world (because politicians are corrupt, because they're stupid, because they think doing that would collapse the economy, which could be in the reason of "they're stupid", I don't know, I'm sure you can figure it out), so you can't trust any company, meaning we have to rely on open source (if you want any form of true privacy). It's not the only benefit of open source and where it fills the gaps of the legislation, but in that case, that's the reason. Of course, who wouldn't want developers to be paid for their work?? Nobody. But the nature of open source make it much more tricky for them to be paid, though it's not impossible and you can live off developing open source. Everybody know it's a problem. So stop trying to make yourself appear so moral and blame people for wanting actually trustworthy and privacy respecting app only because they can't trust companies due to the cowardice of politicians when it comes to have actual powerful laws and the only way to have that is to turn towards open source.

[@suspiciousstew1169]

Such is the circle of life

[@ZeerakImran]

@@MmntechCayou’re using a device designed by thousands of people before you and the education you are given. Do you want to give all of your income away as a result? Since you wouldn’t be able to earn your income without your education or language. See how grunting in an interview goes. Point is yes you benefit massively from it, but it’s a part of you. You’re not a part of it. You’re more just as mac os is more than bsd

[@Guar_dian]

Seems like they want competition with signal 😳🤨

[@jaydeep-p]

For them its just one more reason they can give to justify green bubbles

[@Guar_dian]

@@jaydeep-p I agree for one I use apple products but even I know apple is desperate atm because innovation over there seems lack luster

[@kungfoochicken08]

@@Guar_dianThey’d kill if they came out with a phone that charged as fast as a Xiaomi phone, or one that had a bigger battery, or if they found some way to get wireless charging without the dumbass glass back.

[@havefun8882]

House A was built based on the backdoor House B was built with the finest open(source) layout Both have walls of steel Which do you choose?

[@GegoXaren]

Neither... Who would want to live in a gawd damn house made of sheets of steel?

[@theworldshow458]

​@@GegoXaren😂 bruuuh

[@SuperFlashDriver]

House B all the way.

[@havefun8882]

@@GegoXaren Fair enough, maybe its really nicely painted though :o

[@eypxmwgovmifuon7808]

@@GegoXaren that’s just living on a ship!

[@NekoiNemo]

"Maybe they are more popular than LINE"... Line is incredibly popular in east Asia, pretty sure it's basically the default messenger in Japan. Signal is kind of niche compared to something like Line

[@yosutzuhruoj]

It's strange, Japan uses line, Thailand uses line, Cambodia uses telegram, Laos uses line, signal, telegram, whatsapp...etc

[@OWNERAdminUser]

its the same 3-5 companies for 90% of calls and texts just with different names depending on the region they pay taxes to

[@9hoot789]

Loved that analogy at the end. Works perfectly

[@AndersHass]

Not sure WhatsApp started out as proprietary version of Signal. One of the WhatsApp founders has joined Signal. And because of EU law about big services needing interoperability, WhatsApp is compatible with Signal encrypted messaging so you could move your messaging to Signal and other services using that encryption, thereby it would make sense for WhatsApp to not just have regular Signal encryption but also the Quantum Computing encryption.

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

The founder of WhatsApp also founded Signal after FB basically did everything they said they wouldn’t to WhatsApp when they purchased it.

[@AndersHass]

@@apersonontheinternet8006 Signal existed before he joined but they did change their name to Signal around the same time as he joined. I am not sure if he had any part in the name change.

[@loskokunes]

It would be awesome if you made a video on how to add PQE to wireguard.

[@MentalOutlaw]

I've seen one implementation in Rust github.com/qkniep/pqwg-rust and one in Go github.com/kudelskisecurity/pq-wireguard but neither one appears to be maintained :(

[@BurgerKingHarkinian]

Doesn't using a psk take care of that already?

[@sirati9770]

LINE is the default messaging app in Japan, Taiwan and Thailand

[@SansaStarks]

How do you know that do you have friends in Japan or Taiwan that use Line?

[@sirati9770]

@@SansaStarksyes and i speak the languages

[@njpme]

​@@SansaStarksI used to live there and we used Line a lot

[@w1z4rd9]

Didn't know countries other than S.K where NAVER is and for some reason being the Single Giant Messenger in Japan be using this.

[@sturmley]

This was such a good post-quantum video that I just had to leave a post-quantum comment.

[@awecwec3720]

rly great stuff, clear and efficient thank you!!

[@AndersHass]

Line is basically the messaging app in Japan, so it is fairly big, lol.

[@byjxtxn2727]

Could you talk abt session? It collects even less data and needs no phone number at all. I think it might interest you especially their safety protocolls and precausions

[@SansaStarks]

I've heard about the KZbinr say it doesn't have four secrecy but in my opinion I still like session.

[@OWNERAdminUser]

every phone has phone numbers and identifiers used for all sorts of stuff you arent aware of. For example Serial numbers, ESIM, imei, imen, fingerprinting, release ids, mac address, UUIDs, just ti name a few. Unless u live in a remote place not able to get ANY radio whatsoever, your phones are provisioned and they know who to bill

[@narxic]

Great video, thank you for sharing. 🍻

[@TIOLIOfficial]

Apple is SUCH an American brand. "Wooo, we're #1!!!1!1"

[@sendlocation8476]

Delusional

[@TIOLIOfficial]

@@sendlocation8476 👈🏻 Braindead.

[@docmalitt]

Apple: We have the BEST security... Quantum Sec. We the people: Cool, show us! Apple: Ufffff...a.aaa.a..aaa......... just trust me :)

[@vk7750]

The most secure way to make sure nobody finds out what you say is to just not talk to anyone

[@pineboomerang]

Great coverage and journalism.

[@tulsatrash]

Thanks for the info.

[@SharjilPrince]

Nice video, good info covered, very interesting and worth a watch

[@felizcactus]

Who would have thought that all this evolution has come in such a short time? incredible.

[@SansaStarks]

I have some bad news to tell you I think it's best to stay cautious and vigilant look at the documentation and read the source code and stay up to date with what signal is doing

[@cara-setun]

Is it really such a short time? If you’ve been paying attention, quantum computing has been building to this level for decades

[@felizcactus]

@@cara-setun but it is relatively 'fast', electricity become useful after 400+ years after discovered.

[@cara-setun]

@@felizcactus the Greeks discovered electricity 2000+ years ago. The word itself comes from elektron, meaning amber, because that was a material which generated static electricity

[@felizcactus]

@@cara-setun so, it's really very impressive how fast thing is going 🙂

[@0wce]

Great now we can be spied on more securely!

[@ray-al15]

Lol, them mentioning signal so much made me interested in it when I didn’t know about it before

[@KS-ep9rx]

i love how they are making as think they care about our privacy but every one of this fucking apps are only client server client not client client

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

Big tech & govco fought hard against powerful encryption for public. Pgp is the only way to get client client encryption or a private mesh network..

[@oclasos]

Huh?

[@mkabilly]

I agree that direct P2P messaging is more private, but it's also very much less convenient. From weird setups to bypass all the network shenanigans happening within each peer's routers, to the problem of delivering messages when a peer is offline. Tox is great, but there's a reason why barely anyone uses it.

[@Glightstar]

While I do agree that p2p is great and surely reduces the ability of a provider of said client to gather data, I would also argue that it does not really matter while not in a closed-off network. After all, client client, in global communication, really means client router isp that one cable going through the pentagon isp router client (and whatever else lies inbetween, pun intended) ... (or does it not?)

[@waralo191]

Unfortunately that's not really possible with the current state of residential internet connections where ipv4-adresses beeing behind double NAT. And ipv6 is not really being rolled out, and routers by default block incoming traffik

[@CrispyRichter]

Small note ETH Zurich is Swiss and you said " apple paid a bunch of german professors". I haven't read the article and did no background check, maybe they are german but now in Switzerland. Just wanted to say this as a German.👍

[@SansaStarks]

I'm surprised people from other countries watch his channel

[@mona.supremacy]

@@SansaStarks don't be surprised there's a lot of non-US viewers, including myself

[@kintrix007]

Yeah, no, lots of people who aren't American, myself included.

[@yuck871]

​@@SansaStarks average american thinking everyone else is still a caveman (spoiler: no)

[@jmannumbers12]

Great content; thank you

[@Danielddiniz]

You’re one of the best Linux and security hackers we know, thanks for this video.

[@AnirudhTammireddy]

Remember the recent exit scam of a dark webmarket place where they went "lol u just used our enc lmao cya later bro"? Good.

[@kungfoochicken08]

They do that pretty routinely. It’s the entire business model for those markets. They make a little bit on transaction fees, but most of the money comes from running an exit scam after they’ve built up enough trust.

[@damianchang6439]

Apple: we are Post Quantum secure! Moxie Marlinspike: Hold my beer

[@vladislavkaras491]

Thanks for the news!

[@Staniel_]

Apple invents the Rolling Key. F’ing mind blowing 🤯

[@BlablablaBla-tp1ws]

I would really appreciate it if you made a video showing us how to encrypt the rootfs of gentoo. I read the docs but I just can’t figure out how to do it and probably won’t use gentoo until I can figure it out.

[@fish3977]

Unless you are messing with the kernel, it is literally just following the wiki / copy pasting the commands.

[@fss1704]

if you really need to ask it you should probably be using ubuntu

[@BlablablaBla-tp1ws]

Just for interest sake, have either of you install gentoo with an encrypted rootfs? I have installed both gentoo and arch without rootfs encryption, but doing it with encryption always confuses me.

[@iusegentoobtw]

​@@fss1704 You're embarrassing.

[@Komentujebomoge32]

I am using my own satelite to talk with my grandpa, break that level of privacy 'apple'. 🥴

[@SansaStarks]

We'll see about that son what satellite is it?

[@OrangeIthink]

SimpleX Chat has better post quantum encryption than both Signal and iMessage. You should make a video about it :)

[@TheUnknownCatWarrior]

The only thing to be worried about is if there is a backdoor or not.

[@hanelyp1]

Or some other subtle weakness against conventional attack.

[@kiiiwaa8113]

There definitely is!

[@Luckyluckyluc]

@@kiiiwaa8113 There never has; I doubt there would be now...

[@sigiligus]

All consumer hardware has backdoors. Most consumer software has backdoors. Signal doesn’t have backdoors, but iMessage will still be better than WhatsApp, which is what most of the world seems to use. Then there’s Facebook messenger, which doesn’t even pretend to have privacy, yet I’ve known dozens of people who use it as their default messenger.

[@Luckyluckyluc]

@@sigiligus I agree that Signal probably has no backdoor but how do you know? At the end it's just an app you download from the AppStore. How do you know the promised open source code is actually being used?

[@ericlindell3777]

Great vid!

[@OutlawSlate]

Encryption against everyone except us of course 😂

[@Ultrajamz]

Does Bitwarden use this currently?

[@jakubdoka8623]

I made the same protocol this weekend, key exchange size checks out. You also need 1.5k for the ratchet state. It contains all the secrets that apple can replicate on their serve and view the messages, great stuff

[@fss1704]

You know the code is good when it's closed source and uses a lot of magic numbers.

[@dojistar7022]

Preach brutha, preach! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@SB-qm5wg]

Yeah I totally trust it 💡

[@user-fp7fs9xl2t]

Great Content Mental Outlaw ...

[@BurninVinyl]

Where is it possible to learn about this type of encryption? or it is proprietary?

[@awecwec3720]

brilliant, Love you

[@coolguy8709]

Can we install grapheneos on virtual machine?

[@SibaNL]

Just Apple reinventing the wheel again to take credit

[@BlahBlahBlah85651]

Coming from a phone that can be hacked with just a text message with no user interaction? Yes okay. Pq3

[@SansaStarks]

What's my phone are you using and why wouldn't that type of vulnerability work on your phone?

[@SansaStarks]

I'm curious what smartphone are you using

[@RFLCPTR]

​@@SansaStarksAndroid didnt have such a backdoor like Apple did with Pegasus yet

[@bleep0004]

So is signal the best messaging app through internet across the globe for free with non Proprietary code?

[@Jango1989]

Absolutely proprietary!

[@nerdg2]

I've got a question, So M1,M2,M3 chips are safe with PQ3 ? I mean end to end encryption never really existed for years with apple, ever since they released the M1. Hopefully this settles it.

[@nostep3966]

Too bad they back them up to the cloud where they hold the keys to decrypt.

[@idcrafter-cgi]

didn't the EU force whatsapp and such apps to be intercompatible and whatsapp want's to use Signals encryption for non-whatsapps connection which would make that PQC but whatsapp itself not?

[@rickthebas]

Honest question about using open source software as a user: would it not be easier for a hacker to "practise" hacking something open source, since he knows what he's up against? Compared to hacking something proprietary that you'd have to reverse engineer?

[@joelunruh6534]

That is the security by obscurity fallacy. . . Look it up

[@ghost-user559]

Yes

[@dduckpersons]

Thanks

[@arkesh110]

Apple can use quantum encryption but they can't use RCS...

[@SansaStarks]

Apple will always be stuck in their ways why would they switch

[@njpme]

It's coming

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

The biggest problem with trusting open source software to provide better security is that you have no way of verifying that it is what is actually running on the proprietary hardware.

[@eldrago19]

iMessage also still defaults to sending copies of your messages to Apple through iCloud backup. With backups like these, who needs backdoors?

[@Broshan69]

More Libre Podcasts please ❤️

[@Abdega]

While this all sounds good and I am pretty ignorant when it comes to protocols, isn’t iMessage built on top of the Push Notification Service that Apple has? And since Google and Apple have been found to be forwarding Push Notifications to various governments, wouldn’t it be possible that they encrypt the message, but copy the message to a push notification that they just forward to someone else anyways?

[@SansaStarks]

I wonder how likely that is someone probably needs to look into it

[@John-ct5op]

Classic case of first-mover advantage; when a company (apple) can significantly increase its market share by being the first to the market with a new competitive advantage (PQ encryption).

[@sendlocation8476]

Where does Session belong In the level?

[@tehjamerz]

Its actually a minding your ps and qs reference

[@tylerlover]

Not actually that secure then, since 50 messages is a lot when you think about it. if the quantum computer can break down one part of a conversation wont it just go onto the next part? Correct me if im wrong

[@Guitartube25]

Question: You said that WhatsApp started out as a proprietary fork to Signal, but checking the initial release dates of the two Signal was released initially in 2014, while WhatsApp was initially released in 2009, so how can WhatsApp be a fork of Signal?

[@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286]

They are far superior than signal even have multiple sets of keys, one for them so that tim can read your messages, one for mr.hoover so that the FBI glowies can read your message and one for the other glow agency that doesn't want to admit the existence of the former one...

[@of_course_why_not.]

Now I can talk to myself on Signal cause of Quantum gig. But I'm not sure i feel the same with "Apple" in general.

[@dkdiego505]

corpo having to out-glaze the free software is crazy

[@sunset6958]

Everything going on with Apple today, John McAfee warned about in 2016

[@krtirtho]

What do you mean by Apple built on top of Signal's PQ encryption? They definitely invented PQ3 by themeselves

[@MaJetiGizzle]

Honestly, I’m just glad that organizations are trying to cut-off any Q2K bullshit at the pass.

[@redstonegenius2609]

Nice to see apple actually being innovative for once!

[@PySnek]

They're just copying.

[@SansaStarks]

Is it giving me even more reason to get myself an iPhone

[@redstonegenius2609]

But they copied after only a few months instead of a few years. That's innovative!

[@PySnek]

@@redstonegenius2609 :D

[@999sian]

I been able to use iMessage in a MacOS VM

[@cherubin7th]

Nice to know that all my data goes to the NSA is a quantum secure way. What should go wrong?

[@maridiancrest243]

How is it end to end when there are backdoors? They should call end-to-backdoor encryption

[@killingtimeitself]

because its encrypted from end point to end point, having one compromised end point compromises the whole thing, obviously

[@Luckyluckyluc]

There's no backdoor... Not that you know...

[@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286]

"End to gov" encryption would be a fitting marketing term...

[@glitchy_weasel]

This reminds me of the incredibly vague Apple's M2 vs PC performance/power graph they showed once. A closed sourced app + closed sourced OS should be an automatic -3 points on their benchmark.

[@GuitarPepe]

Not if it works better, which it does.

[@maimetechy]

I may not be an Apple fan but even I know they didn’t lie on their benchmarks using some fake closed sourced custom app. They used geekbench, unless that’s some apple make app now, it’s legit.

[@Luckyluckyluc]

It does perform just as well on your conventional use cases like rendering in a video software etc. So why would their method of benchmarking matter?

[@MorganEdgy]

Apple's latest innovation: Copying Signal

[@iyziejane]

Keep in mind there are no proofs of security in public-key cryptography. The main evidence for the hardness of RSA for classical computers is "no one has found a way to crack it yet, and we offered a lot of money." For post-quantum it's "none of the 50,000 people in the world who understand quantum algorithms, most of whom work on different things, have cracked it yet." Or even: "we paid 4 or 5 top researchers who tried really hard to crack this, and they failed."

[@hanelyp1]

50,000? I suspect it's closer to 50 who actually understand what they're dealing with for quantum encryption cracking.

[@iyziejane]

@@hanelyp1 Yeah 50k is my estimate of people who could work on it if they had enough incentive (kind of like the RSA factoring open challenge). The number of people searching for new quantum algorithms for elliptic curves, lattice systems, etc is definitely under 50, I agree.

[@fss1704]

I broke tibia's 469 language, and i certainly know a group with more than 250 people discussing real quantum encryption, all of the big names are in there so i don't think there's much more than that studying quantum encryption, 500 people worldwide would be a miracle because this isn't the kind of stuff that you can do without cooperation in the internet, and i say 500 people because the chinese and nk's certainly won't share anything there.

[@SansaStarks]

​@@fss1704I thought we had the cryptographic community with the NSA or something I thought there was some government department working on this sort of thing.

[@MentalOutlaw]

Good point, that's probably the reason why Apple and Signal do the PQ encryption In addition to ECDH so an attacker would have to crack both. Using just PQ encryption alone would be crazy at this point.

[@MEzeroTM]

Very based and open pilled

[@Philosocratic]

Line is just really popular in Japan

[@nintender6333]

Btw. ETH Zürich is Not a german university. Zürich is in Swizerland

[@ironmountain7907]

Problem is once you update they’ll slow your phone down if you don’t have at least the newest last generations of iPhone; they literally did that and made the excuse it was for battery life optimization. Apple has lost all credibility, but it’s basically like we are choosing, “oh do you want a bowl of shit Samsung? Or Would you like to get a bowl of shit from apple?” Ted Kazinsky was ultimately right in his general assessment of technology lmao.

[@UNcommonSenseAUS]

Samsung does the same battery fuckery.

[@Adriethyl]

They've been doing this for years

[@WashingtonFernandes]

Batteries are made to die quick, generally people just buy a new phone now with nom removable batteries, so that's why, EU saved us by making that illegal

[@SansaStarks]

A lot of white girls use iPhone and I have realized that I hate Android I like the aesthetic appeals of iPhone map to buy I would take the issues that come with iPhone and get myself an iPhone 15 pro Max

[@WashingtonFernandes]

@@SansaStarks you can just install a style app that changes icons and shit, or code one yourself if you don't want ads

[@18x9]

⁠what application do you use/recommend for screen sharing with audio? @MentalOutlaw