Appliance Flood Pans - Simple Trick to prevent $7000 in damage!

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[@howardappel3596]

When I built my house in 2014, I had floor pans and floor drains in the laundry room, all the bathrooms and under the kitchen sink. My architect and builder told me I was crazy for spending the money and I told them that the extra money was a lot less than having to rip up a floor and the ceiling below. Besides, it was my money.

[@Wheeping-Angel]

@@etchcamelia108 Some dishwashers require you to put a hole going into the floor or it wont work correctly.

[@NaveenKumar-oj7xh]

Anyone with common sense would make it the norm.

[@EasyEPMD]

how do you keep the P-trap primed when you plumb in under a DW et al?

[@PvtPapa]

@@EasyEPMD Mineral oil

[@MOAB-UT]

It's better for them if you have to rip up the floor. Think about it.

[@ScottValentine]

in 2032 Matt will still be doing how-to videos at his house under construction

[@safffff1000]

Just like the The Winchester Mystery House

[@zayne2504]

😂😂😂 He just doesn’t want to worry about anything when he’s 80

[@hydro2938]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@markfrazier5040]

Probably paying for the build with these videos. Can't miss the opportunity to film anything! I might do the same thing!

[@bretburt7317]

Very impressed. I did this in the cabinet under my own kitchen sink 6-7 years ago. Not surprising that IF I ever saw this on YT, it would be on your channel. "Over build always!" is my motto. I have offered this option to virtually every Client I have had since then (with a sink that is on an exterior wall so it can have a drain point) and only ONE has taken me up on the offer because they didn't want to spend the extra money. I've even had a few who have said that if a leak happens, "that is what insurance is for". Foolish in my opinion. Especially since if it is a "slow" leak, and not "catastrophic", I've seen insurance companies deny the claim because you are supposed to monitor your own house for problems that arise over time.

[@ronlovell5374]

Under the kitchen sink! What a great idea...Can't tell you how many service calls I get, and cabinets are water damaged and molded because many people ignore drips under their sinks.

[@megenberg8]

wow so true! just one tiny drip of a leak can do much damage before it is even noticed! 🔧⚙🔩🔨📄💰💰💰🤑

[@TabbyCat041]

@@ronlovell5374 Absolutely! The dishwasher →sink drain connection is a prime candidate for a leakage problem that gets ignored.

[@oldman6085]

My shop has been making pans for decades. Contractors come to us from parts around. There are some particular details that we’ve developed over the years. They work great.

[@saltoftheearth6656]

@@oldman6085 building a house in PA. Care to provide any contact info on your page so that I can reach out?

[@ThePH03N1Xx13]

Adding pans should definitely be the norm, honestly I would do another under kitchen sinks. But I’ll tell you that opening on the pan for the washing machine is not going to do much for you. All washing machine leaks I’ve experienced came from the load indicator failing so it overflows and those things put out tons of water very fast. You would practically have to have a full size 2” shower drain to keep up with it. Yours looks like it might be 1” inside diameter so it can fit inside a 1.5.” That may be good enough if you catch it right away. Maybe put a water sensor alarm in the pan so you can catch it right away. Better yet connect a water sensor to a solenoid to shut the solenoid off.

[@spacecoastz4026]

Yeah, I had a washer that failed....the load "reset" switch got stuck on reset so it kept filling and filling. And the water flow is the same flow amount as it filling.

[@jwiereng]

yep he said 1 inch 3:38

[@MikeKobb]

Worst flooding I’ve had in my house was due to a burst hose under my kitchen sink. FORTUNATELY, I was home when it happened, and I was able to get it shut off within minutes. Still took hours to clean up. So I totally agree with you that a pan under the sink is a great idea. I kind of had that, by accident. I have a trash/recycle slide-out under my sink that is built like a drawer, so that drawer box caught a large fraction of the water. And happily it was a well-made drawer with well-finished wood (thank you, Western Dovetail), so it wasn’t damaged by having a couple of inches of water in it for a few minutes. By the way, the hose burst because it was being abraded by the hose for the hand sprayer at the sink. I re-routed things carefully so that that is no longer an issue.

[@gophersgirl]

The reason why most washing machines burst is because the hose is always under pressure and full of water... in Germany its the norm to either always turn the water valve on and off when using, or since forgetting it could burn out the wzterpump; they also make the pan with a built in receptacle which opens the water valves when it senses the machine being turned on. There for there is never any water in the hose when off....

[@hewaschuk]

I think you would need 2 solenoids, one for hot and one for cold water.

[@chrisgriffith1573]

One thing I did in all my houses that I have owned (as a home owner) is to oil base urethane the underside of the cheap counter top (which is particle board) so as to keep the hot steam moisture which is fanned out from the top of the dishwasher, and always ends up catching the lip of the counter as it rises and swells the particle board over time. The urethane is enough to keep that moisture from penetrating the particle board.

[@DSW-kt1fp]

Good tip

[@dwightcarter6334]

In a high end home a stand alone ice maker is the #1 leak location I’ve seen.

[@akalivers]

Another good "belt and suspenders" option would be to install a leak detection system with automatic main water service shut off valve. There are several on the market. But, it is widely accepted that the Moen system is best. It is called "Flo." The system employs a main shut off valve/computer, with as many leak sensors as you wish to install at various critical locations, as you have highlighted. The 3/4 inch system with six leak sensors costs about $800, for components. I have this system installed at two properties and it works quite well. If any of the leak detectors sense water you get a phone call, email, or text (or all three) and the water service automatically shuts off immediately. You can then investigate, or over-ride the system shut off if you so choose with your smart phone.

[@mr.folmar2668]

He has a video showing one of these systems so he is aware of them.

[@sathivv950]

A system like this saved me from catastrophic water heater damage. I bought the z-wave "Bulldog" brand for only around $130 and a home computer server monitors the water sensors.

[@topher.m]

A real ‘belt and braces’ feature. I’m a DIYer from Australia and I really appreciate how far above and beyond you go Matt.

[@ducagace1390]

Finally, someone who think ahead! I pray for the best for you, your family and your team. Take care Matt!

[@TokyoCraftsman]

Here in Japan, washing machine pans are the norm, dishwashers are still uncommon, also we rarely see hot water tanks, nearly everyone use tankless water heaters which are usually installed on the outside of buildings or homes. We seldom see water lines on fridges either. A pan under the sink is a good idea. Cheers from Tokyo!

[@oldskoolwayy]

Man I love the build show.. It has positively Totally changed the way I see and approach the trades and building and I'm not even a builder..

[@jimgd4]

Great tip about the mineral oil! I have an 1856 colonial in the NorthEast, & just moved my laundry room to the second floor. I did put a drain in the floor as a precaution, but now I will be sure to add some Mineral Oil. Good work!!

[@gregsafford]

As an insurance agent... You're pretty much a dream client. I like the built-in protections. For those without the ability to plumb in safety, there are a ton of water detectors/alarms out there. And they'll save you a ton of money and frustration if you have an appliance or supply hose misbehave. This is super important for secondary/vacation homes.

[@kenbode8806]

Do you give discounts to dream clients like this.

[@mabamabam]

@@kenbode8806 No. Then he wouldnt be a dream client anymore

[@johnbecich9540]

I am that dream client. Really. I surveille my property and I recommend Proteus sensors, which use existing wi-fi and void the need for Z-wave or other proprietary methods of wireless communication. I even have a sensor wire in a high point of the sewer system, to alert me to an impending overflow; hard wired beats wireless, every time.

[@idontthinkso666]

Yeah, a dream client. Pays the premiums, never makes a claim, the insurance company gets rich.

[@MyFirstYoutubeHandle]

And just when you thought Matt has gone too overkill, he steps his game up and shows us another level. The level of passion for this stuff is enviable

[@macthemec]

That mineral oil trick is genius, i have a friend who wants to move his washer dryer upstairs and i suggested a drain pan but actually it does make sense the way you implemented it everywhere

[@Bradimus1]

I've had the plastic water valves IN the fridge crack and leak slowly, through the floor, and filled up the light in the laundry room below. I 100% support this idea.

[@user-lt6oh2bu7c]

Matt, add a screen to the exterior pipe to prevent birds and insect nests. I simply place a piece of old window screening and then bend a piece of 1/4" hardware cloth over that. You can of course wrap a piece of flashing around the pipe to cover the cloth ends for a nice finished look.

[@stevebabiak6997]

Or get a coupling to fit over the pipe, and glue the screen inside the coupling to cover the outside end.

[@davidwatchesyoutube247]

“How to have companies pay for your entire house construction, plus write the whole house off on top as a educational video series”

[@SeanSmith4550]

And that's why we love him ♥

[@chrisa6545]

Love the mineral oil in the p trap of a floor drain. I have one in my basement bathroom. I run a dehumidifier and occasionally it evaporates the water in the p trap. I regularly keep it filled with water but now I don't have to remember to do this. Nice tip!!!

[@BillPutnamPhoto]

Thanks for this, Matt. Hadn't thought of a flood pan for my stacked washer/dryer until now. Talking to my GC about it tomorrow.

[@pegasusappliancerepair7821]

If you needed a smaller duckbill drain, they are often used on refrigeration appliances for the defrost drain. Great idea and great protection! As a servicer, just make sure the appliances are serviceable and accessible, which you have done very well.

[@josephhummel6200]

YES! Cool details on those drains - I've been doing a similar thing for 10yrs and never seen anyone else do it.

[@buildshow]

Well done sir!

[@ash_emu]

Absolutely do this! Working in restoration, the number of floors we had to replace due to leaking dishwashers was horrendous. SUCH an inconvenience for people.

[@HistoricHomePlans]

I'm doing this on every future project. The mineral oil is very clever!

[@JAW88]

Just had my dishwasher start leaking, luckily no damage but this is a great idea. That last product looks like a modified urinal vacuum breaker. That’s a great idea also.

[@jaredj631]

This is so smart, I fix commercial dishwashers. I used to work in the Hamptons people would have $10 million mansion with a $7000 commercial dishwasher in there smoking lounge or whatever. Totally inappropriate machine for the application it just happens to be the most expensive one you can buy. Their $2000 square foot African mahogany floor or whatever would get ruined because those things leak like a sieve after a few years especially from lack of use. I could never figure out why they didn’t install something like this. Perfect idea.

[@DeadlyPlatypus]

You don't have to be smart to be rich...

[@kenbode8806]

Great Video showing must do concepts for builders and homeowners

[@byutennismenace]

This is great. Installed a new filter in my Whirlpool fridge this weekend. Came home in the evening to water marks around the edges of our wood floor planks. There was standing water under the fridge. It looks like the new filter somehow caused some connection in the fridge's water line to fail. Fortunately, it looks like it wasn't leaking for too long.

[@superandy89]

Love the washing machine area being sunk down. I'm debating doing Schluter in the laundry room, but love the metal pan idea.

[@Cbappliance]

Matt, I have an appliance installation company in north Louisiana. I specialize in custom built ins. I love it when builders go the extra step to put in pans. Also if you want an extended warranty on your Miele products. Let me come down and install them for you. Love the channel btw.

[@gregory891]

Very smart feature. I have similar pans in my kitchen (under sink area) for just the same reason.

[@samuelligo7234]

I do this too. Like you said it's very cheap insurance. Thanks for sharing the technique.

[@fishtailfistscale8362]

Quality as always and very insightful thank you Mr. Risinger

[@OneManOnFire]

I would love to see a video of a house built for elderly people. Seeing ideas and layouts would be cool.

[@RoughShodRod]

I did similar after a catastrophic slow leak that destroyed subfloor. I built it to drain below and luckily there is a sink in the basement below. So the pipe goes through the ceiling. Awesome 'overbuild' AKA not half-arsing it.

[@76moxie]

I have built pans for washers. I believe these should be made for all appliances! Cheers

[@themadatheist1976]

They have something similar to that rubber trap in the RV industry to minimize the space taken up with P traps. It's included in a tube and the sealing flap is longer.

[@davidfleuchaus]

I put my dishwashers at least 8” higher. Less bending over to load/unload. Good tip. Spread the word! A whole generation of refrigerators have a faulty defrost drain design that gets plugged up over time leading to ice buildup on the floor of the freezer leading to water on the floor. The manufactures’ (multiple manufactures used the same flawed design) fix-it also gets clogged and causes the same problem. Good thing I have a tile on concrete kitchen floor.

[@bobbob69696969696969]

Great video and prevention ideas like this are worth it As when things go wrong you will wish you did this. 20 years in the aquarium industry I know what water damage can do and the every else that goes with dealing with that

[@CHESVADS]

I used a cement mixing poly tub, cut it down, put under dishwasher, for same reason. I know hardwood is not best choice for kitchen, but so much better on your feet. No drain in mine, but would easily hold several gallons of water. Mostly was concerned about slow leak that goes unnoticed for long time, after the damage is done.

[@OfficialSureFirePlan]

My parents just had a dish washer leak and I was blown away at how much damage one flood event like that could cause. I thought afterwards I wonder if people waterproof under their dishwashers to prevent this, now we know!

[@crazedrunnerdave]

Great idea. The hardwood floors in the kitchen that came with my house are in very bad shape and should be replaced if I remodel. Though it seems the floor by the gas stove top is in rough shape too, but I don’t know how water will get to part without the previous homeowner noticing and drying it off immediately.

[@flinch622]

Nice tips - always enjoy learning a little something.

[@Squidbillies1000]

Thank Big Matt! Love your channel!

[@billseto7920]

Hi there I helped my daughter renovate her place and after installing her floating floor thru out her unit which included her kitchen area. She went away and as I stopped by to check on her place but discovered that she fridge die and was producing heat inside the fridge and freezer; so any ice or condensation leaked onto the new floor but this product soaked the moisture up and swelled up. Thereby destroying the new floor. I had to demolish the floor in the kitchen area and locate a waterproof floating floor for just the kitchen area. So yes fridges can leak and creat problems, good luck on your preventative measure.

[@danlux4954]

Vinyl floating floors are waterproof.

[@darrylschmidt704]

Hi Matt, I have been through all of this...the water damages and the repairs. The drain pipes are smart. I have a downstairs bathroom under my kitchen where I ran PVC to above the shower. $100 in materials. I put drains under everything. I siliconed around the edges and siliconed a threshhold at the fronts. There is only a small drain grid in the ceiling that shows above a downstairs shower. I wouldn't impede the drain's flow with Drain Seal. If you have water flowing, you want it to move and not get slowed up by a little slot that may or may not open. Where your pans fit tight, I would have used clear silicone and not the tape. It will pull the finish off the wood. You forgot your sink. I had a garbage disposal fail. Consider putting a pan with lips under the sink and run the outlet out the side of the cabinet to the dishwasher pan. I also use battery water detectors. They are only about $10 each. I mount them high so I can get to them to replace batteries. I run the wired sensor to the location and put it on a spread out towel so the water will wick to it. I also put these behind toilets. Good video. Good luck. Darryl

[@philbartkovich1748]

Just FYI. From and insurance standpoint, an appliance overflowing or leaking is not a flood. A flood is a weather event.

[@johnbecich9540]

Yes, insurers love guys like Matt, who go to lots of trouble to avoid making claims. But the cost of repairs in that special house would be astronomical; not to mention the inconvenience brought upon the family.

[@pslowazo]

For years I have installed 'peel and stick' flooring tiles in kitchen and bathroom cabinets to protect the particle board. i run scrap pieces about an inch up the inside and then use super glue to seal all seams. finally I use caulking rope around all pipes and install an escutcheon around the pipe. (if I'm having to be cheap i just drill a hole in a plastic bottle cap to make my own escutcheon)

[@handyjim6321]

Should put a water sensor underneath so you know when the dishwasher does leak.

[@A.Martin]

dishwashers have a water sensor themselves, then they refuse to operate. They have a built in pan with a water sensor, maybe not all but all the recent ones I've seen

[@handyjim6321]

@@A.Martin will it even detect leaks from the door seal?

[@A.Martin]

@@handyjim6321 I think just stuff that goes into the bottom.

[@urbanjungle9600]

Absolutely agreed. For the small cost of a smart water leak sensor it’s worth it.

[@danr9584]

He could wire in a sensor from an air conditioner pan

[@peterryan7340]

Laundry rooms in Australia are almost always tiled floors with a floor waste. And power points are set at about 6 feet off the ground behind fridges

[@mr.g937]

The receptacle placement is usually the same in the US too. No clue why Matt's electrician chose to put them so low on the floor. It's GFCI protected, but once water gets there the wiring will still corrode. Don't get it

[@jorgearguello8278]

@@mr.g937 I think he mentioned a specification on his fridge in another video.

[@lathiat]

Floor wastes are code here but they aren’t code in the US he mentioned in a previous video he added them to his upstairs bathroom etc.

[@lathiat]

In all seriousness our laundry, toilet snd bathroom wastes (which are all required as far as I know) go outside with a little flapper on the end kind of like you sometimes see on the top of truck exhausts.

[@mikewatt8706]

Load of bollox

[@TheDecguy]

I have a Florida home built in the late fifties. One of the great advantages are the terrazzo floors. A leak or a spill. No big deal. Just mop it up. Other features of an older Florida home maybe not so good. You need to take the good with the bad I guess? Also the fitting that you show to allow drainage while preventing back flow are available al the way up to sizes that are used in storm drainage systems.

[@jackl9922]

We love our Meila. The year we bought it, 2x cost of Kitchen Aide, but the top rack, drying method, and quietness was worth it. No added heat/humidity inside.

[@tysleight]

What kind of dishwasher adds any sizeable amount of humidity? We have kids art and our bill rack/ office countertop right over our dishwasher and never have I had any water or humidity issues. Our dishwasher runs most every day and I only can hear the drain under the sink. It's a KitchenAid that is 6 years old that was on sale so more money doesn't always mean better some times it means you just paid more to do the same thing. Ps the thing cleans like mad.

[@zoomboy57]

I use Flood Stop for my washer, dishwasher, and refrigerator water lines. It works so much better than the pan. When the sensor detects water it shuts off at the supply line valve. I was in the appliance business for many years and I seen the damage a ruptured hose can cause in minutes. Washing machine hoses are under constant pressure 24 hours a day and I've seen them break during the middle of the night or when a family was on vacation. The customer was always instructed to shut off the valves when not in use, but not 1 in 1000 does. A device like Flood stop is cheap insurance and a couple of minutes to install. There are several other manufactures of similar devices.

[@arthurskudra50]

To improve on this, I recommend some kind of sensor on the tray that will alert the homeowner of a leak situation. I think with the closed lip on all sides, it could be a while before anyone notices something wrong, particularly with a slow leak. Furthermore, a front lip on a tray under the dishwasher can be problematic for some situations where there isn't enough clearance above the dishwasher to be able to remove it for servicing and/or replacement without having to do something destructive to the cabinets/countertop.

[@cptrestlesssteven6469]

I put those moisture battery operated sensors under ours for perfection and while laying tile put wet pan to protect for same reason.

[@KevinT3141]

We had our builder put a drain in our upstairs laundry, but they didn't tighten the flex supply line to the washer properly and it dripped every few seconds. Two weeks after we moved in water started dripping through our kitchen ceiling. They used MDF baseboards in the laundry and didn't slope the floor, so the water ran off the edge of the tile and into the subfloor before it found the drain. They fixed it all under warranty, but we were kicked off the main floor of our house for a few weeks after moving in. Doing a tile baseboard in the laundry room sealed to the floor with caulk and adding a marble threshold lip would have gone a long way to making that drain genuinely useful.

[@OffOfTheCuff]

Matt, this drainseal product looks like it functions just like a flushometer vacuum breaker gasket. I think you could get one of those in 1.5" and use it with your current setup with the same effect

[@mikemyers2662]

Nicely done.

[@patricksimons560]

Never heard of drain seals but i need one!

[@mmart4321]

Thank you for the mineral oil trick!

[@michiganengineer8621]

That Oatey trap is very similar to what is used in marine applications for one-way water flow.

[@ralphhardie7492]

Love that solution

[@shopart1488]

We had two washer disasters one over fill and one hose break needless to say we installed a single lever shut off and EVERY time it gets turned OFF. I can honestly say we never miss, it’s just a habit now.

[@ILikeFreedomYo]

$14,000 of work to prevent $7,000 worth of damage. It's how I roll. Build for forever. So that your posterity can admire your legacy of sustainability, knowledge, and forethought in creating things the right way. Some call it taking pride in work. I call it humbling yourself to the work people entrust you to accomplish. Do it right so both you and the customer can sleep.

[@piggly-wiggly]

I'm planning to do something like this as part of my remodel. I was thinking of using course masonry sand or fine pebbles in the trap. Water would run through it pretty well and only an insect crazy enough to burrow through it all would get in. But the mineral oil sounds reasonable, too.

[@katybusybee9882]

Mineral oil won't impede the water flow at all but it will be absorbed by and satin any wood or masonry it comes into contact with.

[@shelbytollett7119]

I like it. New product for you. Drop, it takes the best from phyn and water cop into 1 product while adding additional features of wifi communication to water softeners with low salt alarms. I love mine, maybe they will give you one to review

[@annamyob4624]

great ideas. What can be done to protect from potential leaks inside walls, such as behind shower faucet and nozzle? most times such leaks aren't noticeable until considerable damage has been done. i wish this thoughtfulness had been put into the house gramma had built, where i am now dealing with leaks and such.

[@kenberscheit948]

dont forget the water heater if you have a tank type. either from leaks or overflow valve

[@russjohnson6396]

We've had 3 kitchen water leaks where your pans would have helped. Our refrigerator leaked from the ice maker, before we even moved in. The builder had to replace about 1/4 of the kitchen's solid maple floorboards, which had warped. The 12-year-old KA dishwasher leaked once from the solenoid fill valve; easy to replace when I pulled the unit and laid it on its back. It later leaked from the fill-overflow switch. A drain pan would have helped if it came fully to the front of the DW. Then I might not have even known there was a leak!

[@ronlovell5374]

They're code required in Canada now too, for all multi-residential dwellings. All appliances dealing with water, including furnaces, air handlers and water heaters. Also there's some great new wifi leak monitor/water main shut offs available now that can also help avoid catastrophes.

[@aayotechnology]

What’s code? Pans, drains or both?

[@MitchellGreen]

Matt Look at the Watts Intelliflow automatic washing machine valve. I have used them in 6 houses and they are great. When you turn on the washer it opens the valve when the wash is over it shuts the valve.

[@SimonTekConley]

I have those "belt and suspenders" plugs in much smaller sizes. They're used in automotive as well.

[@urchin11]

I'v done this in my last 2 homes, one issue I've had is the washer installation. Typically you place the washer "close" to it's installed location, hook up the hoses and power then slide the unit back into it's final location. With the lip on the pan, "sliding" into place becomes impossible it must be "lifted and set" in place, recessing the pan as you did will certainly help with that

[@JoeTaber]

Did you see the risers he added? He definitely did not need to lift it.

[@aayotechnology]

@@JoeTaber I think he meant the recessed washing machine not the dishwasher

[@urchin11]

@@aayotechnology exactly. In my area we have basements, with footer drains inside and out, the inspector lt me dump the drains into to those without a trap, as they were emergency use only. I wish I had done my kitchen sink area, as a backup with the garbage disposal caused drains to leak, next house

[@TheSpatulaCity]

Someone needs to make a product that has a front flap that folds up and down. Or a plastic/silicone front gasket wall that snaps in once the fridge/washer is in place.

[@unchannelbyryan]

@@TheSpatulaCity what if you had a fan fold in the corners and then after installing it crimp it up. An inch or so would be enough. Or slope the whole thing a 1/4 inch back to the drain

[@qberta1979]

In Sweden we got those in plastic that drains the water into the kitchen. Under the sink, dishwasher and fridge/freezer.

[@stevebabiak6997]

They exist in the US too; I posted two separate comments under this video with links to such products.

[@Phil-D83]

Very good idea

[@peterdurand3098]

Very timely for me. A few weeks ago the ice maker in the freezer compartment had a catastrophic burst and water was shooting out at full force. Fortunately this happened during the day when I was in the house. I heard a "funny" noise coming from the fridge. When I opened the freezer drawer, it was full of water and came pouring out. Small flood. Fortunately the fridge is on the ground floor of tile and slate set on a slab on grate, so no damage really. I have shut off the water to that appliance and will never reconnect it. It is scary to think what would happen if this had occurred in an apartment a number of stories up when no one was home. For a day or so.

[@alexanderroch1030]

Here in Austria you get dishwashers in two heights. One about 32 inches, one about 34 inches. The two inches difference is all for the benefit of 2" more interior height.

[@josephthompson4363]

Very good informative video

[@SylwerDragon]

All good ideas and very interesting if you want to start building new house :)

[@KarmaTiger]

Refrigerator leaks from the water going in for cold water/ice dispensing are unfortunately common these days. Even in high end Samsungs a cheap plastic elbow failure is frequent and costly. Question: why place the dishwasher pan on the floor then put grooved runners on top, which themselves might slow the flow of water to the drain or get damaged by water themselves, rather than put the pan on the runners, the dishwasher on the pan, and connect the pan drain to the floor drain with a short extension?

[@epicepidemic7131]

Drain pans are sooo interesting when I have homework due.

[@sanozatsho]

Matt is a safety supervisors wet dream.

[@hocuspocus4871]

As a former IICRC certified water damage restoration technician, I have seen the water line to fridges break and flood the entire house while the home owner was at work. I have also seen multiple ones for the clothes washer, but am hesitant to use a drain pan for the washer when the dryer is stacked in a closet. The stacking kit for a lot of dryers is secured in the back. That requires them to be assembled and then slid back into place. With a lip on the pan, it is now required to lift the washer and dryer to set it in place. That is a few hundred pounds and you only have access from the front since it is enclosed on the sides. You can't use a hand truck either because of the pan lip. The bigger issue is getting it back out. Without being able to remove the units without major difficulty, the homeowner won't get the dryer ducts clean regularly. This greatly increase the chances of fires. While floods can cause thousands of dollars in damage, fires can cost lives. You get the water damage from fires as well from the firefighting hoses. Just food for thought from someone who has personal experience

[@stevebabiak6997]

He lowered the floor level in the laundry where the pan sits, and I think he put a couple of raised pieces inside the pan to allow for sliding in. Whether that is feasible in all cases, I would say probably not.

[@markolangerholz1052]

My house built in 1981, had a metal drain pan with floor drain for the washing machine on the main floor. I removed it because it was a pain installing/removing the heavy appliances.

[@Ariel-xz8lg]

Great ideas!

[@TheIdeanator]

Oh man, i just discovered a long term leak under the kitchen sink in my new house that has trashed the sub floor. Im gonna keep this in mind when i remodel it.

[@josephhettiger2711]

They make a device that goes before the fridge water hook up that shuts off in the event of a leak.ill have to look it up but i saw it when i was adding a Oateyin wall shut off valve to my home last week

[@DM-zd3sx]

They make those rubber backflow valves in smaller sizes for boat bilge pump plumbing. 1 1/2inch might be out there. Also found a product on Amazon by House that could be a good fit. Great ideas to add to a build!

[@tlangdon12]

We've had them in the UK for many years, in 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" sizes.

[@ManinderjeetN]

Do you have a playlist of just your house builds, i'd love to see more

[@daveklein2826]

Do a KZbin search

[@maxhichins1645]

those are some kick ass ideas

[@danbedard290]

For a laundry, simply install a shower drain and run 1.5 inch pipe to you floor drain. It will actually stop a flood…

[@stevebabiak6997]

Make it at least two inch I think; that is the required minimum diameter for a washing machine discharge pipe.

[@danbedard290]

@@stevebabiak6997 that’s for sud zones. Drain pans have 3/4 pex hooked to them. 1.5 inch will get all the water down with no issue. Why? Because it doesn’t have a p-trap that will slow the drain. 2 inch inch isn’t needed at all

[@stevebabiak6997]

@@danbedard290 - if the 1.5 inch is tied to the sewer system drain, then a trap is required to prevent sewer gases from infiltrating into the living space.

[@chrisgriffith1573]

The Build Show is for high end builders and those that are fortunate enough to afford these things. The rest of us have a $3000 kitchen if we are lucky. If we have a leak, at most does about $1000 worth of damage, and the linoleum catches the rest... and most have had structural problems already, so... we just call the plumber to stop the leak, and get out a fan. For $7000 I could replace the whole kitchen, including plumbing.

[@gj1234567899999]

Matt I came up with the same solution an bought rubber dog mats and tried to make them do what you were doing. You should really market this. I’m sure if a bunch of these pans were in Lowe’s or home depot next to the appliance aisle, people would snap them up.

[@TylerDickey1]

Miele is money well spent. Mine is going on 10 years old and guest I have over always ask how much I paid for my “new” dishwasher.

[@Mebeknob]

Hey Matt! Love your videos. We recently moved to Costa Rica and looking to build our house. I’d love to know what tips and tricks you have for tropical climate concrete/block buildings. Ideally things that don’t require a specific brand since imports are so much more expensive down here!

[@pearlperlitavenegas2023]

I would ask a builder in South Florida, Hawaii, or a high end hone builder locally

[@McCuneWindandSolar]

I even put one under my hot water tank. Also with sensors put in that will detect the leak as well, so I know if the any appliance is leaking. So I can get it fixed, other wise if you don't see water you wont know its leaking.

[@dinkyshopYT]

Love these best practices tips. Did you say how much to fabricate that DW pan? Wish more contractors were interested in the building science and took more pride in the craft (of execution).

[@Randommusingsvideos]

I think Honeywell do a water detection kit whereby you lay a length of wire underneather the appliance which is plugged into the detector. The basic unit has Wi-fi and can be used to report out when it detects water, though it can be upgraded to control a motorized valve to shut the water off which is the belt and braces solution for times where you may not be in the house and unable to realise that there is a puddle forming! - minimises the risk of coming home to a flooded house. I like the drain pan idea, but ideally it can only be done during construction or retrofitted if you have suitable access from a crawl space below.

[@JettaJack]

I think you should re-think the fridge protection. A couple of years ago, we went away for Thanksgiving and came back to find water all over the kitchen floor. Turns out that the filter for the built in water dispenser suddenly started leaking while we were gone. Not sure how this happened other than I was a couple of months behind in changing it.

[@handycrowd]

Side screws are more and more common since there are so many granite tops these days... p.s. be interesting to see if that tiny outlet and the 1/2" or so front lip would cope with the water volume of a leak. I'm feeling very doubtful it would cope with a full pressure leak before overflowing the front lip...

[@idontthinkso666]

I totally agree. The concept of using the pans is sound, but it fails to meet reality. The leaks you worry about are the ones with large volumes of water, typically greater than what can be met with these undersized pan drains. My freezer ice maker failed. Not the line to the ice maker, but the internal unit: the valve that opens to fill the ice trays got stuck open. It happened overnight and wasn’t discovered until the morning. I don’t have data on the flow rates, but none of Matt’s drains would have been sufficient.

[@handycrowd]

@@idontthinkso666 pans this small MUST have wireless water sensors linked to a main shutoff valve. All new cabins in my country come with sensors under anything with water in it and a unit/valve which sits atop the water main as it comes into the cabin. Upside is that you can remotely turn off the water too, handy in a mountain cabin :-)