ANDERS Behring BREIVIK: Norway MASSACRE Psychoanalysis | Dr Das and Andrew Gold

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

What other high profile true crime cases would you be interested in us covering? Let me know in the comments below! While you're thinking, take a look at some of my other videos 😊 ▶ True Crime Cases - bit.ly/true-crime-cases ▶ Exploring Psychopaths - bit.ly/exploring-psychopaths

[@Blech-h9z]

The Dunblanne (?) School massacre in Scotland, v the Sandy Hook shooting. Why were children targeted?

[@jacknalecsmom]

I would love a breakdown of the Sandy Hook shooter, definitely some very interesting psychology. As an American teacher, how can we do more to spot these struggling students sooner?

[@britishbluecatsonwheels]

How about Beverly Allitt & link it in to your Munchousans (spell check keeps interfering here!) video if you indeed think she was affected

[@stompthedragon4010]

I had forgotten about this sick stuff til I just came across a video on this animal crush fetish. Wth is wrong with these people! That's rhetorical.

[@stompthedragon4010]

Do Peter Scully

[@CriticalityIncident]

Since he was sentenced to so called "förvaring" they can keep him in prison for the rest of his life. Fövaring means that they set a minimum term of between 10 and 21 years, and after that the sentence can be extended with 5 years at a time if the prisoner is deemed too dangerous to be let out and there's no limit to how many times the sentence can be extended. I highly doubt that he will ever be released.

[@kikkiking3547]

I was about to say the same thing. Thank you for educating everyone who doesn't know our Norwegian laws .

[@forrestfey]

Förvaring =storage

[@MagdaleneDivine]

How does he not have a million viewers? Or at least his own personal stalker? He's ridiculously handsome.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

You're making me blush Ms Oracle!

[@gloriapetropoulos6977]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@stompthedragon4010]

@@APsychForSoreMinds But its totally true. You are dashing!

[@Arcticnick]

Many years ago I had a schizophrenic friend who wanted to go to India with me as I had already been and he trusted me to be his guide. From the moment we arrived in New Delhi to the moment we arrived back at Heathrow he reverted to almost 100% normal and showed very few if any signs of being at all disturbed, which he clearly was before. He had numerous friends on our travels whereas before I was his only friend. The change in his personality was so undeniable and clear it's always stuck with me, and I wonder if an element of his schizophrenia was at least in part because of his own expectations of himself in his familiar environment back in the UK. It was literally a spontaneous cure. I think a small study should be looked into concerning this.

[@Arcticnick]

Even though in the UK he was clearly profoundly unwell he never once showed a single sign of any kind of violence or aggression towards himself or others.

[@blazefairchild465]

That’s amazing

[@Arcticnick]

@@blazefairchild465 I thought so too. Thank you. Kind response.

[@vermilliongecko]

It does make you wonder if there's an environmental factor in schizophrenia. Both my siblings have schizophrenia; one is stable and medicated, the other is not. My brother would be safe to travel, but my sister is currently sectioned.

[@vinniedus]

I am amazed by the lack of knowledge about the case expressed in this episode. If you don't even know who were in the camp Breivik attacked...This is very badly done.

[@avm9647]

Those teenagers were absolutely terrified on that island. He landed by boat in police officer uniform and then shot them and hunted down those who ran away or tried to hide all the time they were hearing screams and gunshots. He wore earphones and listened to Wagner to drown out the screams. Unbelievably horrible. Thanks for the videos 👍

[@carriefloss9937]

You should be seriously famous Dr Das because of your knowledge and expertise, and for your engaging and inspiring communication skills

[@linerasmussen4788]

He was a boy who didn't fit in anywhere in the world. When was about 15 years old to start tagging in Oslo. He traveled to Denmark to bay spray cans of different colors, he friends thought he was a very organized person but at the same time a strange person. He started speaking Pakistani Norwegian (as young people from invasive parents and a mix of street languages) the problem was that he was Norwegian as a Norwegian can become. He attacked young people who were at summer camps for the Labour Party(Arbeider partiet AP) The bomb in central Oslo was an attack on the government, but he did it mine during the joint holiday and almost at the end of the working day. I don't use to mention a terrorist, but I lived in Oslo and it narrowly told me. He's an idiot who got his 15 minutes of fame.

[@alicewatt416]

I can't believe he can walk free after 21 years,there is no way I think he could be trusted after what he did,these were defenceless kids,he picked such a soft target and they were trapped on that Island. It was like his real life video game. I think the Norwegian government will get very nervous towards his release date. Great interview 👍

[@omlandthegreat]

he will never be released. The sentence is 21 years, yes. But he has an indefinite securing order, which means that he can apply release at regular intervals. But in reality he will never be considered for release, maybe in 50 years time when people have forgotten.

[@Valentine3e]

You collaborate super well together Guys 🌟🍀🌟

[@blazefairchild465]

I had heard about this but never this in depth ,great video .Thank you both for this one.

[@AllGuitarCovers1]

Great video, as always, really insightful

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Much obliged

[@omlandthegreat]

Norwegian here. He will never be released, he has an indefinate securing sentence.

[@mar97216]

I actually think he will be, but maybe when he is in his 70-80s if he is deemed rehabilitated.

[@911Kongen]

This talk needed someone that knows the case inside out. Did you try to get someone on that really knew this case?

[@gert8439]

Thanks, I like your longer videos when you delve a bit deeper. The combination lock is a cool analogy.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Glad you liked it herr gert! Do you prefer my solo videos or a chat with another podcaster?

[@gert8439]

@@APsychForSoreMinds Your mix works for me Frau Doktor! Yourself and a different specialist approaching a partic case might be interesting?

[@Patc-n6n]

No. He attacked a camp that was connected to the social democratic party of Norway. He blamed them for letting Muslims in.

[@abocas]

The camp was the annual youth camp if the Social Democratic Party of Norway, with the participation of members of the other Nordic sister parties. The Social Democratic Party in the nordic countries is very much considered a center party.

[@flej01]

I have had family and friends murdered, I got into true crime to try and understand why? My conclusion, I never want to understand their mentality. I also realised worse than having someone you love murdered would be to have your family member be the murderer.

[@avm9647]

I think Brevik himself insisted he was not ill and said knew exactly what he was doing

[@stevendeards2422]

Hi doc, definitely Dr Shipman! U know I want ur views on him 😊

[@britishbluecatsonwheels]

I can’t see why people think Ted Bundy was handsome….he was average at best. Features far too sharp….I think his ability to ‘charm’ was the feature that made people find him attractive rather than looks

[@wintergarden7539]

I've heard a few podcasts regarding this case. This is the first time I've heard that there was a political "angle" to Breivik's murder spree. Also like this collaboration with Andrew and Dr. Das. Keep them coming. Thanks!

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Yes ma'am (or sir)

[@AndrewGold1]

Glad you enjoyed Winter Garden!

[@Catsandcamera]

Really? The island was literally a camp for Workers' Youth League the largest political -left wing of course- youth organisation in Norway. He was right wing and hated Muslims, ergo, he went after the youth associated with the Labour party, the 'leaders of the future' who would continue to govern Norway as an open, left leaning country in the years to come

[@wintergarden7539]

@@Catsandcamera Yes, really. I'm not from Norway so I wasn't aware of the politics of the country. And apparently, none of the podcasts I listened to covered the political angle either.

[@Catsandcamera]

@@wintergarden7539 yeah that's weird - not you not knowing of course - but the fact the podcasts didn't mention such a massively important part of the case! There's a fantastic book called One Of Us by Åsne Seierstad if you're interested in the case. It's brilliant (a harrowing read mind you!) because she doesn't just focus on Anders, she also humanises the victims

[@fraaasma]

After his 21 years they Will make a new evaluation of wheather he is fit to be realeased or not. Even his lawyer Said he is certian he Will never be realeased

[@sourcreamking]

I dream of a world without religion. I really don't like any organized religion. I don't get how religion isn't classified as mass delusion... If I were to speak to a random person in the sky (not God), alarm bells would go off. If I were to walk around speaking gibberish people would think something was wrong with me, yet speaking in tongues is considered "normal" in certain congregations... We as a society don't need false Gods, all we need is love. Yeah, a real hippie way of seeing things, but empathy and kindness goes a long way... I see religion as gangs. Instead of Crips and Bloods fighting it out, you have religions warring against each other over whose God is the "right" God. (even though they are the same God most of the time) I really struggle to take otherwise rational people serious if they have a strong belief in any deity... It doesn't matter what colour your skin is, or what fairytale you believe in... All that matters is that you are being a good person. My two cents, in a little rant... When it comes to Breivik, I believe he has some very skewed world-views, coupled with fear. Fear of the unknown. I do believe he was sane in the eyes of the law when he committed his crimes, although I think we can all agree that what he did was absolutely mad. The narcissistic aspects keeps being leaked to press from prison. He complains about mundane stuff, like he has to play video games on an older model PlayStation... In a way I feel sorry for the guy, but his actions are unforgivable. Strange case.

[@lydiadevries8408]

There was one here in Australia 1996 by Martin Bryant I think he killed 35 people. Young guy at that time with an angelic face. As far as I know it came out of the blue.

[@happyunicornrider2655]

As a Norwegian I can answer a lot of the questions you obviously had about him and about the psych tests. . If you want a conversation about it feel free to send ne a dm. :)

[@ronnywold6641]

Ronny from norway here. Our paramedeic at utoy that time

[@heatherabrams9662]

@A psych for sore minds, you didn't mention how his mother sexually abused him and when pregnant said he was purposely kicking her to harm her

[@peccantis]

Even from the extremely narrow and short description of Breivik's childhood, his dad sounds like a huge narcissist. No real interest in the son, but still fighting for custody. I think that was either because dad felt entitled to control him as an extension of his ego, and/or wanted to control/punish the mother.

[@theroadupward]

At the time the news said he was absolutely opposed to an insanity defense-which he would be as a malignant narcissist (who are never wrong or inferior in any way.)

[@Catsandcamera]

Came here from Could Murder a Podcast! At the beginning you mention political pressures being the reason the diagnosis was changed, but it was Anders himself that didn't want to be diagnosed as unfit for trial, because he loves himself so much he wanted the trial and wanted to be sent down for it, he didn't want to be classed as insane because he wanted all the other right wing people of the world to see what he did as good and necessary and sane. He was right about one thing though, the man spent months and months planning, this wasn't a random act of insanity! Ooof, probably should know about the case before talking about the case. A Christian camp? Your fellow podcaster should at least know that it's a political camp ( Labour, Workers' Youth League) that had the 'leaders of the future' who would have carried on not being racist / Islamophobic in government, which is why Breivik wanted to kill them, get rid of them because they go against his beliefs Ok, but they can add on years after the 21 years is up, he won't be released. You shouldn't 'as far as I'm aware' if you don't know about the Norwegian legal system, it's almost false information you're handing out for the last 5 minutes, even after saying you don't know much about the system, people are going to take what you say as fact. It's easy to google it before the podcast - yes they have a maximum of 21 years (Norway is big on rehabilitation, and it works) but after that 21 year sentence, they can extend the sentence if the person is deemed as still dangerous (which he will of course be!) Sorry about how critical this comment is - I really like what you're doing here, it's interesting but when talking about real cases you should have all the facts 100% crystal clear before diving in, because for a lot of people this will be their first time hearing about the case. Utøya being a camp for Labour youths, Norway's legal system and Breivik being the one that wanted to be tested again because he was adamant that he was sane are all very important parts of this case.

[@GungFuIsGungFu]

yes, this was a mess with a lot of errors....

[@josephososkie3029]

Please do a report on the horrible Las Vegas shooting. Nothing makes sense and it was tampered with by feds early on.

[@911Kongen]

It is weird seeing this being debated and knowing so much more about it. I have no problem understanding that it is impossible to do shows like this and knowing the case inside out. But it comes across so clearly that the small "conclusions" made in this talk is based on wrong information, and/or one-sided information. I like watching things like this, but never has it been this clear to me that one should never base your beliefs or opinions on shows like this. It is important to remember that it is two people talking about the case with limited information, and using their knowledge about mental illness to make a educated guess on what his happening in this case. It might be obvious, but easy to forget.

[@annalundquist7247]

Scandinavian input from a Swede. 1. What I learned about Norwegian prison sentences is that even though 21 years is maximum punishment, there will always be an assessment before release. If that assessment concludes that he is still a danger to society he will not get out even after this served sentence. He is the worst criminal Norway has ever had, he will not ever be let out. He has been in isolation most of the time he has served, I think mostly to make sure he does not communicate with people on the outside (his so called fans). 2. You say that there seems to be no logic in killing innocent children instead of targetting muslims directly. Well in the mind of this guy and his thinkalikes, this is logical. Their narrative and set of ideas are basically the same as the nazis under Hitler. The weird mix of hindu nationalism (you know were Hitler got the swastica from), shifting from blaming jews to blaming muslims (but using the same claims) while claiming that they care for jews and saying that they are not antisemitic but muslims are... All the while shifting the blame for the ideology of racial biology (the "science" that was being researched all over Europe in the 30ies, measuring skulls, sterilizing people etc.) over to the socialists and the labour parties. So, by their logic, attacking the young social democrats on youth camp is completely logical. They are the enemy that have liberal immigration laws and allow muslims and people of colour into the country. In Sweden we have people in parliament sharing that same basic ideology, even though they claim not to be that extreme. They know how to polish their speach, while sending dog whistles to all potential Breiviks out there. Having this man locked, under any name (he can change it how many times he likes, we are small countries and we know any new name and we will never forget), is a signal to anyone. 3. As far as I understand, I think he realized that what he was going to do was horrible, but politically justified. He saw himself as a freedom fighter, fighting for his race and his country. He took medication and played loud music to numb himself from the horror of what he was doing. 4. The initial assessment that he was mentally unstable may actually be the result of prejudice. How could a nice Scandinavian person commit such an act? Terrorists are foreigners, are they not? So therefore, he must have been ill... good thing people protested and they got a second opinion.

[@kumkumjain9864]

if smthing works fr me, i will naturally want to repeat tht experience

[@natalieelizabethalderton2059]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Imagine eating 77 lobsters

[@thomaswatvedt5812]

3:18 first thing out of this guy's mouth is an attack on Norway's legal system

[@tonemarieantonsen1597]

Anders mother wasn't smothering ore overprotective. She was very psychological distant to Anders

[@majorkade]

The island was a camp for labor party kids whose parents push policies that enable Muslims to enter Norway and become citizens. I have a friend from Sweden who expresses frustrations over this happening there. But he's not picking up a gun and killing kids. Cultural wars exist....not just in the US.

[@kumkumjain9864]

th frontline blames th backbenchers, th backbenchers blame th frontliners, those wth low selfesteem blame th confident talented meritorious, th toppers blame th idiots...

[@ericgill5069]

Hey Dr. Das, I feel compelled to tell you that you could (and should) pull of an absolute badass Lemmy Kilmister handlebar mutton chop combo beard. You’re welcome.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

I actually tried this once on holiday. Didn't look as good as you think it might!

[@mj3026]

Wow I can’t believe they never gave him a full life term because surely if he gets out he will definitely kill again & it’s not fair on all the victims family knowing they might have to walk the same streets as this guy again in the future & he killed so many innocent people, & I thought the U.K’s law was outdated but there’s is rubbish let’s hope the law changes & fast to keep this guy in prison for the rest of his life, thank you both 😘

[@gordontough]

The Norwegian penal system is based on reform and that everyone will be released at some point in order to take a full part in society. Whilst some here in the UK are suspicious of the Norwegian system, seeing it as too liberal, or a soft touch, it leads to the lowest recidivism rate in the world.

[@Catsandcamera]

Also - adding on to Gordon Tough's comment - in Norway, after the sentence they can continue to add years on, so he probably won't ever be released, they'll just add the years on each time it comes around

[@forrestfey]

He will never get out. He can apply after 21 years but he is convicted to ”storage”.

[@natalieelizabethalderton2059]

Great thanks 🙏

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

You're welcome 😊

[@AndrewGold1]

I would also like to say you're welcome :D

[@GungFuIsGungFu]

@@AndrewGold1 with all due respect; you both got a lot of details and facts very wrong.

[@gtownboi3877]

He didnt wear the uniform with medals to court. Get your facts straight.

[@seymourclearly]

You might not be as handsome or succesful but you arent as irritating as louis theroux

[@Tess78uk]

I think he is handsome. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@fergalcussen]

04:07 debatable. He had what could be characterised as an abusive relationship with his mother. As she was a feminist who had been involved in activism with various NGOs, most media outlets have been hesitant in looking at the story from that angle, since such people can do no wrong in their eyes.

[@KackieJennedy]

Wow. Calling yourself a "bit psychopathic" as a psychiatrist is a bit much. Dissociating from your patients' issues emotionally is a necessity, but being "sociopathic" sounds alarming given your profession

[@Ejnain]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYDTaKKXhtWrg80 The children on utøya 🥺❤️

[@rosiellagrace]

🌹🌹

[@adrienekausner9701]

Yes! The camp was associated with a political party that he believed was infringing on his moral and legal rights.

[@davewilliams3654]

Their labour party I believe it was

[@nicholashanson9508]

although his actions were criminal and extreme still many people in Europe don't want the continued Islamification of Europe and many would also like to see their countries de-Islamised

[@kumkumjain9864]

andrew th camera may not show how goodlookin a person is in real life

[@stompthedragon4010]

I know Dr. Das. Do Peter Scully. I cringe at the thought of him.

[@MagdaleneDivine]

Not the serial killer or Andrew... The doctor. Just to be clear. I have no idea what's this video was about i was just watching the doctor.

[@AndrewGold1]

Very insulted! haha

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

unlucky, mr gold!!

[@AndrewGold1]

@@APsychForSoreMinds I was ready with my faux humble reply to the initial message, and everything! What can you do!

[@aaronjamesmoore757]

i dont think breivik feels hard done by

[@majorkade]

Your guest doesn't know much about the subject....the camp especially. Must do homework. Still, a decent psychological profile of AB.

[@aaronjamesmoore757]

he was sane

[@vivecastenius3839]

I have a very low opinion on psychiatry from before, and this certainly didn´t make it better. You are just surmising far too much. And if you don´t even know what kind of people were on this camp, please, this was a very bad idea. And you should also try to learn the pronunciation of people´s names.

[@NosferKatu]

Ted Bundy was not attractive in my opinion. I don't know where people got that idea. I mean that unibrow....Seriously????

[@fergalcussen]

The summer camp that he attacked wasn't targeted by him at random. It was a training center for the left wing activists that he saw as undermining European societies.

[@mar97216]

Training and left wing activist? Are you Norwegian?

[@patnor7354]

@@mar97216 They sing about bathing in capitalist blood and support the Palestinian terrorist groups

[@TheTrailRabbit]

The fact that you don't answer the question of whether Brevik could ever be safely released with an unequivocal "no" is clown level analysis! 🤡

[@ImJoppe]

I just wanted to add that its impossible to make those detailed plans that he obviously did to accomplish this aweful murders if he would have schizofrenia. Your all over the place in your head, but he might have some insanity or un-coherent thoughts of paranoia that trigged his belifes that this was justice. ( Which we know is not true).