Aptera at CES: Interview with Jason Hill

[@ubaldinovega5775]

Steve, you did three interviews, every one of them was amazing, you asked some hard question and they answered everyone of them, thank you for your time and for expending your own money, are awesome

[@a5-30-31cts]

Ditto!!! Really appreciate you Steve. Thank you so much for all of us.

[@RomanChaar]

THANK YOU AGAIN & AGAIN Steve for not throwing softball questions and giving us a true update of where Aptera currently stands.

[@deanmcmanis9398]

Again, really good questions and answers Steve. Thanks to Jason as well.

[@thejose24]

I can watch Jason explain design all day. Thanks!

[@willstreckfus4248]

I spent a lot of time stalking and eve’s dropping Mr. Hill’s conversations. 🤓 He was extremely positive about the future.

[@jasonc4421]

thank you and yes, positivity only leads to solutions of existing and unknown issues.

[@hpman2391]

Let's go APTERA 🎉

[@DemaGeek]

Loving the P.I. vehicles Jason, thank you for all your hard work!!

[@Aa792]

Best Jason interview by AOC, IMO👍

[@9Eighty5Tech]

When I talked to Chris A. at CES I admitted that I was a little disappointed that the in-wheel motors didn’t work out from a traction standpoint, and from a performance standpoint. While I am 100% that efficiency should be the #1 priority, I do like fast. He revealed that they are thinking about a rear motor system that is not necessarily for performance, but a low power motor that could kick in at highway speeds in lieu of the front motor for even greater efficiency. Steve you put that idea out a while back after the single motor news. I don’t know if you influenced their thinking on this, but credit to you either way. I think it’s a great idea and if they can maybe also eke out a little more performance and traction all the better. I’m sure nothing is decided RE AWD, but I love the idea.

[@AverageJoe928]

I hope they go this route because it makes tons of sense. You get AWD when it's needed and potentially better efficiency at steady-state highway speeds. Give me that with 600 miles of range!

[@ccibinel]

@@AverageJoe928 For efficiency we need an induction motor (ie EMR4) in order to use a high efficiency IWM. Otherwise the back emf will lose more than is gained in effiency with a cruising motor.

[@AverageJoe928]

@@ccibinel my assumption is that the EMR3's motor reducer would have the ability to mechanically disengage the motor output in order to put the vehicle in neutral, but I could be totally wrong. Looks like you need an NDA with Vitesco to get any info beyond a marketing pamphlet 😄

[@ccibinel]

@@AverageJoe928 Ideally - hard to know but EMR4 is an improved system and the only reason Aptera isnt using it is availability in small numbers. Long term it will be easier to get as Aptera scales and will be a fairly easy transition. Vitesco is now schaeffler and has an in wheel motor which makes them a great partner for the long term.

[@ccibinel]

Great to hear the license plate illuminator is designed to break away safely.

[@jasonc4421]

yes, always the plan.

[@rchender]

another fantastic, high value interview from you Steve. thanks very much. I think it'd be great if you could do a in person interview with Aptera personnel at least once per month--we learn so much more this way! Really nice job!

[@ApteraOwnersClub]

Trust me I've tried

[@LarryDickman1]

Not going to happen at this point. They are protecting their IP and trade secrets. They learned their lesson from last time.

[@tims8603]

I know it's a minor thing but the turn signals that are next to the headlight are really cool. For one thing, they look great. For another thing, if you take the wheel pants off for winter driving in snow, you still have turn signals. I was thinking of doing that but I thought I'd have rig up some stalks or something to still have turn signals.

[@robertkirchner7981]

I just wish they'd spring for bi-color LEDs in the back too. Amber turns signals are better than red.

[@gmv0553]

Side marker lights are required and they are in the wheel covers. Aptera is actually lucky they were not stopped by police for not having the covers on. Small chance that would have happened!

[@CommanderMaga]

@@robertkirchner7981 100% agree! I believe some countries (Australia?) actually require that, so export versions will have to have them.

[@drivenbythesun]

@gmv0553 Fenders or equivalent devices (such as mudguards or mudflaps) are also required in many states to prevent debris, water, or mud from being thrown by a vehicle's tires.

[@tims8603]

@@drivenbythesun Yes, they are in my state. I have a stainless steel ring that was from a spare tire cover that I had on an old van. It is shaped just like a hot rod fender. If I cut it into 2 pieces I'll get 2 fenders. I'll need to have someone make brackets to mount it on the wheel pant mounts. At least, that's the plan.

[@williamclark6466]

Another super interview. Thank you, gentlemen!

[@Michael-g7o3s]

I couldn't help myself, I am now an official investor. Now I wait till my shares go to around $300. dollars a share and then plan my worldwide tour.

[@TimothyHaas-u3u]

I was surprised to hear/view from Tailosive that the TELO trucks will incorporate Aptera Solar. Too bad they weren't able to unveil this during CES....

[@gmv0553]

It cannot be revealed until a actual agreement has been signed!

[@elertus]

Thanks Steve and Jason for “taking us through the math”😉 WOW Aptera… what a pleasure and a pleasant bunch of Aptera personnel! Nice Easter Eggs.. I didn’t know about the Tailgate option . BTW there was an aftermarket universal table that attaches to the rear hatch hardware. Basically a cantilever table for tailgating. I will research and sent to Aptera… to see see if it complements their ideas…

[@david.e.h.]

Great interview Steve!

[@chrisbarrett2512]

I applaud Mr. Hill's modesty, "not my design, math's design, Steve and Chris's vision." It is a surprise and delight! Simplicity is so much a part of Aptera, and mirroring nature, and its simplicity. I wish our government would catch up with the times, and allow the mirrors to be removed, in favor of the digital cameras, which are better from a glare point. Fog, snow, rain or fog a camera is better, and we should be utilizing the better way, which is by far the cameras.

[@josiahpaez4601]

You can say that, but my car has a digital camera option I can use for the rear window mirror and I hate it. Never use it. This week I tried switching back to it to see if I can get used to it, and I just can't. Now if it's done "right" maybe I can get behind it, but these are the issues I have with mine: you lose detail resolution, you lose 3D depth perception, the 60hz screen in my peripheral vision appears flickery to me and verges on giving me a headache, you have to change your focus from far to near and back which I find straining and time consuming, the lense constantly gets dirty and has to be cleaned by hand (they have a spray jet option, but it's ineffective), sometimes it's too dim in daylight and sometimes too bright at night, the image often gets blown out if headlights or sun hits the lense at certain angles making it practically unusable. Anyway, I just hate it. But I'm also open minded and they can provide some cool benefits like the improved aero.

[@GNiessen]

It takes a good team. And that includes the testers and validators of the design.

[@richpate9436]

So interesting. I really appreciate Jason Hill's perspective of what Aptera is all about. Great video, thanks Steve.

[@AverageJoe928]

Haha, Jason definitely sounds like a designer. I couldn't imagine saying that I'm using an ethos to define an experience with a straight face 😄

[@tims8603]

I heard the word 'optimized' a lot too.

[@gr8dvd]

Also storage decisions based on "meaningful utility"… obviously born-to-design 😀

[@robertkirchner7981]

He described the yoke as part of "Aptera's Ethos of efficiency and user experience" and I'm like, "Okay. How does a yoke make Aptera more efficient? What do you want my experience to be?"

[@tims8603]

@@robertkirchner7981 It's there so it's easier to see the side view camera screens. I think they should offer a roundish wheel as an option for those who don't want a yoke. One thing they said recently is that the steering has been redesigned to be a quicker ratio than the Gamma so you don't have to turn the wheel around as much for lock to lock.

[@charangohabsburg1]

@@robertkirchner7981 Less weight by removing the upper part of the steering wheel of course! 😂 Just kidding. And yes he says a lot of meaningless stuff but still this interview was one of the best he gave (no kidding, just my opinion).

[@stix2you]

Great questions! Thanks Steve!

[@charangohabsburg1]

I love it how Jason Hill attributes the Aptera design to math plus Steve Fabro's and Chris Anthony's vision. However, this "only" concerns the overall visual appearance and general functionality. The main work of a good designer is way beyond visual appearance and has all to do with making something well usable and ergonomically inviting.

[@jasonc4421]

True

[@gr8dvd]

As always the ‘devils in the details’. In architecture, software, etc. given the same ‘program’ or functional requirements people will deliver anything from crap to brilliant. Key is making the best tradeoffs. Aptera is brilliant… side windows the only exception.

[@charangohabsburg1]

@@gr8dvd I agree, except the side windows. I have sat in the Gamma and it is really no real issue regarding visibility. The split beam may block a small part, a part which only plays a role at intersections, but moving the head by one inch just resolves the problem. Moving the had to have a look at the left side mirror of just any car is more of an issue.

[@gr8dvd]

@ I live on a deadend street that leads to (literally) Main St. in my town where a traffic light has been discussed for decades. Invariably one must look both ways (and across) multiple times quickly with certainty to exit my street. Given my exceptional driving skills (clean record and evidence by lowest insurance cost in most costly state) I’d opt for a paper enclosure over blind spots… only 1/2 joking I don’t plan on having my first collision now after 1/2 century of driving 😀 Also recall instance as passenger nearly hit cyclist b/c traffic, pedestrians AND cyclists (some, this 1, didn’t know to ride WITH vehicles). Aptera would be great for occasional road trips. Seems only makes sense to accept delivery (in accelerator program) as rental between my (limited) travels.

[@wineberryred]

Your interviews of Chris, Steve, and Jason have been excellent. The only thing I find missing is a clear vision to get to production, i.e. can they get to production on a limited budget or do they need a big cash infusion to get to production. No matter how much money they have they would clearly need to do a few months of validation to make sure several systems are fully ready for production. What can Aptera enthusiast like us do (that don't have millions of dollars available) but may have hundreds or thousands of dollars available to help Aptera get to production? Happy to invest more money but just want some reassurance that it's not a lost cause, i.e. they can't make it to mass production unless they get the $60 million they wanted.

[@randyland1000]

My thoughts exactly!

[@montanaerdoc]

Call it Production Intent if you want, it is clearly still a prototype. Don't invest money you can't afford to lose. Odds are against success.

[@josiahpaez4601]

Some quick math says that if all 50,000 pre-order holders could "invest" (or donate) $1,200 then Aptera would have their 60 million dollars. That seems really doable to me. If Aptera could coordinate a campaign effectively communicating that and getting a census of how much people could commit to so that everyone could be assured that the campaign would end successfully, I think they could do it. I know $1,200 would be too much for a lot of individuals, but many others could probably do double, if they felt assured that it would get the vehicles into real production!

[@wineberryred]

@@josiahpaez4601 That's what they did with the accelerator program and they had a hard time getting 2K investor to put down $10K to get their vehicle earlier. In the end they did fill all 2K slots. It might be worth running another promotion for another 1K slots for investors that add new money.

[@rchender]

@@montanaerdoc why are you quibbling with words? They quite clearly have a working and remarkable vehicle that is indeed real, well-beyond theoretical and manufacturable! you still seem paralyzed in your thought processes by the 'negative-nancy' trolls. and wherever in the name of pragmatic prudent thought did you come up with that lame so-called financial advice captain obvious??? prototype-schmototype, its staring you right in the face and it runs! perhaps you should get back to practicing sutures and bandages.

[@CalvinJordan-b1c]

The thing I like is they keep it simple makes for reliable

[@scottgreathouse2607]

"I'm not a very big guy." You are huge, Steve. ;)

[@kevinc8811]

I was surprised he said that too. He looks pretty tall in the video and said there was around another foot of room for him?

[@jeffreywilliamson4863]

I want one of those Aptera fluffy coats.

[@jasonc4421]

not impossible. stay tuned

[@randyland1000]

Good interview!

[@josiahpaez4601]

Lol! That "Yes..." at 12:45. I am a bit surprised by that particular design choice. It will be interesting to see how it does in validation. Also, as fun as this thing looks to drive on curvy mountain roads (which I enjoy doing), I was hoping they would have lots of seat bolstering in more of a bucket seat configuration. I absolutely love the seats in my 02' Celica, they just hug you and keep you planted in spirited cornering!

[@CommanderMaga]

Re: seats With "right to repair" comes "right to modify." I'm willing to bet there will be aftermarket seats available for people who want a better fit for their own body. Likewise, I'm sure we will find aftermarket replacements for the yoke for drivers who prefer a steering wheel. Customizing their own Aptera will appeal to many buyers, I'm sure. Just speaking for myself, if I find the seat uncomfortable, I wouldn't hesitate to install a different one.

[@josiahpaez4601]

@CommanderMaga For sure, I was thinking about putting my seats from my current car into the Aptera if they'll fit. Oh yeah, and I'm really not a fan of the yolk steering wheel, that's something I would definitely consider modifying too. Yay for right to repair!

[@CommanderMaga]

@@josiahpaez4601 I'm sure some aftermarket companies like Recaro would make some lightweight seat that would fit. Aptera will be open and honest about dimensions and connections. As for the steering yoke, I'm not really a fan of that either. It has two little buttons on it and one of them is the horn. I think if you're turning a sharp corner and need to honk the horn, it might be a problem finding it quickly. My father had a Lincoln back in the 1960s with the best horn activator ever. The inner edge of the entire steering wheel rim was a squishy ribbon you squeezed to honk the horn. I thought that was brilliant -- no matter where your hands were, you could instantly honk. All you had to do was squeeze the steering wheel. It's a safety thing, right? I don't know of any cars which do that today, but they should!

[@PereAndreuUbachdeFuentes]

I look forward eagerly for Jason Hill's full explanation on the design choices for the refrigeration configuration.

[@danam0228]

Good stuff, thanks

[@chrisbailey5055]

8:00 is there a design eye point? I cant tell you how hard it is to get the 95 percentile into the design eyepoint of an aircraft.

[@jasonc4421]

yes of course. we started with the eye point and then put the shape around the occupant - 95th %tile. This is the way

[@chrisbailey5055]

@jasonc4421 would it be possible for the owners manual to give you a way to identify the design eye point!? I realize that is a unique request, but I bet this community would love it.

[@davidtiemeyer7580]

Are there any photos of the cooling air intakes? None of the renders I've seen show any underbody scoops.

[@DrTeeHenry]

Relatively late mod, I believe (and still likely to change, apparently). @RajGiandeep has published at least one KZbin video showing the underbelly and the intake. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2KqaXeqarmdac0 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX7Mn4SForOpm9k

[@TitusvRijn]

Thanks again. Really hoped to ask these questions to Jason Hill. Did you get a bit more from him about the Interieur?

[@GNiessen]

The pet barrier needs side hooks. Many pets would squeeze through on the sides.

[@jayben00]

Has there been any crosswinds testing on this vehicle?

[@davidtiemeyer7580]

As the show began on Tuesday we had 50 mph gusts blowing across the CES Plaza. I was concerned the fully extended hatch and gull wings would tear off the BINC. The vehicle handled the wind just fine, earning my respect and boosting my confidence.

[@fanfare100]

Hi Steve, thank you for all your videos. I have an idea. Does your cam have a stabilizer mode? That way it's less jumpy. I was getting motion sickness. lol Please take this as constructive feedback. Wish I had been there!

[@PereAndreuUbachdeFuentes]

According to the interview with Steve Fambro, the worst case scenario for cooling needs is fast charging under the summer Sun in a hot day with the AC on. This is what is driving the need for the air intake, which adds signifficant drag. But it would be ubercool if they pull out the trick to have a deployable air intake, that deploys when the car needs it when stationary, and retracts it when in motion and then using just skin cooling with a smooth underbelly.

[@RHPDaddy]

Has anyone seen an electrical outlet anywhere in the vehicle for plugging in stoves and other camping appliances? How about additional solar panels?

[@ApteraOwnersClub]

Yes in the trunk

[@DrTeeHenry]

There's a 12V outlet on the right side wall under the hatch.

[@RHPDaddy]

@@ApteraOwnersClub thanks Steve. Is that what I see just to the right of the subwoofer?

[@RHPDaddy]

@@DrTeeHenry thanks. Is there any way to connect more solar panels? Just curious. How would you use level 1 charging? Will they be providing a level 1 charging solution?

[@DrTeeHenry]

@@RHPDaddy I believe Aptera has said that that capability is on there to-do list but I’m not sure if it will make it into the Launch Edition (but see below). Yes, the Aptera has Level I charging capability and they estimate it will add ~13 miles of range per hour (100+ miles overnight). Something like a Jackery Solar Generator 2000 Pro may be able serve as an external off-the-grid solar Level 1 charger for the Aptera.

[@nononsenseBennett]

EXACTLY! A uniform chasis is key to perfect fitting of everything, which translates to lower costs and higher productivity. I predict this type of construction will be normal among all vehicle manufacturers soon. Tesla might be the first 4-wheel aout maker to do this judging on their efforts to reduce parts. "The best part is no part" says Elon.

[@richardryley3660]

Yeah, not only does a common chassis save cost on all of Aptera's various range options, but it also ensures the aerodynamics are a constant. The shape of the vehicle pretty much has to be the same. Even for bigger models or four wheel options, there should only be slight variations in the shape. In fact, the only variation SHOULD be to tweak the drag coefficient to make it even more efficient.

[@JEP-Tech]

Cork is carbon negative? Didn't know that. That's like hempcrete. Hempcrete blocks also absorb carbon dioxide. I was looking into using Sativa's Building Systems "Z-panels" as a fire resistant and carbon negative way to build a home whenever they go into full scale production. Fire resistant being the bigger advantage to me considering all the homes lost in California to wildlfires.

[@MikeTrieu]

Of course cork is carbon negative. It's the bark of the cork tree. The tree absorbs carbon dioxide to form that bark.

[@JEP-Tech]

@MikeTrieu I'm aware that the cork trees absorb carbon dioxide to grow, obviously. I was assuming they meant cork products absorb carbon dioxide while they are processed, which is what hempcrete does as it sets up. I guess the advantage is that cork trees regrow their bark when the cork is harvested and continue to live, I assumed they killed and harvested the trees when they removed the bark, but that's not the case.

[@unclegeorge7845]

Does it come with extra license plate light assemblies?

[@GullWingInnMoclips]

Yes! Just like every other vehicle ever made.

[@unclegeorge7845]

@@GullWingInnMoclips It just seems totally vulnerable to me.

[@GullWingInnMoclips]

@ OK.

[@ubaldinovega5775]

Could someone talk about the air intake

[@GullWingInnMoclips]

It was touched on in the video. I guess it boils down to... do you trust these very clever engineers and designers to tackle any issue that might come up, or not? I've read a lot of concerned comments about the air intake, but it seems like a very small issue. They will make it work. If you don't think so, after seeing what they have done so far, then there will be many things about Aptera (and any other new thing) that will scare you.

[@charangohabsburg1]

@@GullWingInnMoclips What boggles my mind that they seem not to tak in account that regardless how small the air intake at this position will be, it will not get less clogged by snow.

[@GullWingInnMoclips]

@ Scrap the whole project!

[@danielthompson3928]

I’m not sure if they have ever stated that before. No one has ordered a rear window? I’m actually surpised.

[@josiahpaez4601]

Well, infact, I did pre-ordered a rear window hatch. But I get his intent, it wasn't a popular option. And what i think they should/could do is add horizontal louvers to the inside of the rear window (google Mustang hatch louvers for an example) so you can still see out the back and let some light in, but still have shade, privacy, and solar production across the top face of the louvers. It would be such a win win and look super innovative and clever.

[@richardryley3660]

I had not thought of that but it sounds workable. But it also sounds like it will add a lot of weight and complexity to the hatch. Keep in mind the louvers will need to be large enough to fit the solar cells. They can't just cut one in half and mount it on two louvers. 😂 I would like to see a window hatch with some solar cells on it. Maybe 1/3 of the total hatch area. (30 cells) Maybe louvers would give more space for those cells above the window. Maybe there could be multiple hatch options.

[@josiahpaez4601]

@richardryley3660 I don't think it necessarily needs to add all that much weight nor should it require anything particularly complex, it wouldn't need to move at all, which is what generally adds complexity. The cells are only like 5", just line them up in rows (not the diamond pattern) and space the louvers as far apart vertically as they need to be to keep each row from shading the row below. I did also think of the partial window hatch you mention and I think that would certainly be better than no cells on the hatch. I really wish I could have the opportunity to pitch my idea to the team, cause I think it's a really good idea that should be pretty easy to implement and add meaningful benefit. The only real concern I see would be if you stacked stuff too high in the trunk and then smooshed the delicate panels when closing the hatch. Anyway, maybe not an issue if they used that carbon fiber stuff. That should be strong enough and thin enough I'd think.

[@johnmalcom9159]

Most of the things discussed in the interview were/are engineering tradeoffs not design decisions. Changes during validation will be engineering activity with the goal of improving performance, efficiency, manufacturability, supply chain cost and performance, and reliability. Design is is a factor after the previous five are satisficed. (Yes, satisficed is a word and process in R&D)

[@jasonc4421]

No. All of the development revolves around engineering/design decisions as it relates to the total product. What you are describing is the resulting "style" traditionally associated with vehicle development. DFM was and is key from the beginning and was foremost in our process.

[@johnmalcom9159]

@@jasonc4421 I believe you are incorrect. Design is predominant in bringing a concept vehicle to auto shows. The Honda prototype at CES for example. Then a systems focused, multidisciplinary team (Engineering, Production, Finance, Supply Chain) is dominant to move the concept vehicle to production with integrated tradeoffs of design and other key factors. That is the reason production versions of the concept vehicles look so different than the show concept vehicles. Multi Objective and Multi Criteria Decision Tools are used to make sure the best combination of tradeoff's are made. A technical reference, although old, for this approach is Lecture Notes in Economics and Mathematics Systems by Ching-Li Hwang and Abu Syed Md. Masud, Springer Verlag, 1979.

[@jasonc4421]

@@johnmalcom9159 "That is the reason production versions of the concept vehicles look so different than the show concept vehicles". We know! That is why we didn't follow your described "system" of legacy and instead have the result you see which IS production intent. I know exactly the system we used to get this result because we equalized all the teams - led by DESIGN. This is why our result is BETTER than a concept vehicle - it is a "what you see is what you get" in full PRODUCTION. Legacy thinking = Legacy results = Legacy auto show concept vehicles which never see production.

[@johnmalcom9159]

@@jasonc4421 Jason, Aptera follows the paradigm exactly. The original design (Asume generated by you) resulted in the first show car. Aptera Gamma Reveal (About 80 complete) That vehicle was composite body, in wheel motors, skin cooling, Shorter body/hatch, fewer solar cells. The decision for carbon fiber body was result of expanded business opportunity, engineering, and production. The switch to one motor vs. in wheel motors, an engineering and budget decision. The configuration of the PI Vehicle, a summary of the features most customers had ordered. The switch from all wheel drive to front wheel drive, an engineering, production, finance, and schedule decision. The extended length of the body/hatch and additional solar cells, Engineering (Aero) and solar performance (Engineering) If guided by any "Ethos" the need to sacrifice design and mitigate some of the other factors to get a product out.

[@bobhellman8676]

@jasonc4421 How could you possibly pat yourself on the back when you released an 88” wide vehicle with cosmetic enclosures below the beltline? Bad enough you threw away the L5-e EU market, but the entire wheel assembly will stick out beyond the side of an average vehicle (74” curb to door) when parallel parked. A serious hazard for cities that don’t have bike lanes. This would have to qualify as the worst metro proposal ever. If you want to simulate how obnoxious this is, go take a Polaris Slingshot, put a 5” wheel spacer behind each front wheel, and go drive it in a city. Or just go actually drive/live with the PI’s in a metro setting for a few weeks. 88” wide should have never, ever, been allowed out the door. You haven’t done the customers any favors.

[@danielthompson3928]

I personally would prefer a strip of LEDs surrounding the license plate.

[@casylong8383]

doesn't work. tried it.

[@ronaldclarkson1146]

How can they improve the aerodynamics of the windshield wiper?

[@LarryDickman1]

Thin covers over the blades with fin wind deflectors.

[@christopherandelin]

The conversation around the cooling system was awkward and abruptly changed topics. Curious why?

[@ApteraOwnersClub]

These are completely unedited if that's what you're wondering about.

[@AverageJoe928]

@@ApteraOwnersClub right when you asked if there was a chance the air intake could move back to the cowl the conversation got sidetracked and it was never answered. Was really hoping to hear if this is still on the table, as it seems to make the most sense if the cooling is sufficient.

[@richpate9436]

In a recent interview with Steve Fambro, he mentioned the cooling system was a work in progress. It will evolve.

[@gmv0553]

It was either Chris or Steve who stated that they have 3 alternative ways of doing the battery cooling. Validation will be the deciding factor to arrive at the best way to do it.

[@andrewfuller8440]

I’m really worried about the $60 million being obtained, plus it’s also not the end of fund raising, where are all the billionaires who claim to support modifying the warming of our planet?

[@netscrooge]

The conventional wisdom was that there is little point to putting solar on the vehicle itself. Aptera is proving that wrong, but many rich folks may not have gotten the memo.

[@LarryDickman1]

They are flying around in their private jets.

[@1978rayking]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIKQh39jm7OEhtUsi=tl5CzNDZBMo8Tt-6

[@srinutakkallapalli1700]

Am sure there is much brighter brains; but that "LPI" : License Plate Illuminator . It is just totally out of place . No other vehicle has that !!!!. Cant they have a light at the edge of the Trunk lid . Just seems much more practical that way. The current LPI looks like is going to the one which breaks the most ; guess that is the intent to protect the rest of the back !