Paladin Rework is Here! (tested) Nerfs, Buffs & Fixes! (feedback+suggestions) - Neverwinter Preview

[@markchen5352]

I thought Paladin will be getting a buff, but it's clearly a nerf, RIP

[@raphealwood4434]

Why are they nerfing a class that needs help? I'm pally tank. I guess I'm going to have to change to gf tank.. yall need to do better than this, plz..

[@HM-im4gg]

No reasonable person would think this could increase paladins in the game. Its a Shame. They didn't take the paladin rework seriousely. Mod 27 gonna delete my pally tank and use the slot for a warlock healer.

[@Yamcha291]

They aren’t reasonable people

[@szczurson121]

So... paladin heal rework is to be honest just bug fix (while adding new ones), with "let's increase his healing and nerf/don't touch shields". So now it's warlock job to shield in this game, cleric job to heal, Bard job to put buffs, And then there's paladin heal with...?

[@fredrauch418]

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[@marioconti3976]

I'm speaking from the point of view of the tank paladin: I was hoping that they would reduce the gap with the GF tank at least in terms of survival, but instead they nerfed the regeneration of action points, therefore fewer daily points to maintain aggro and above all to increase our chances of survival , reworked a useless talent that will still remain useless, fixed a bug on the daily "divine protector" which in addition to casting less times in combat (AP nerf) was most often replaced with the "shield of the gods" talent, well come on, though the new animation of the parade is beautiful... gg cryptic 😂😭, I really hope that it is something temporary and open to possible changes, because they have been telling us for months about this rework to "make the paladin a more popular class"

[@thiagolima4566]

I couldnt aggree more, less dailies, less survavibility, we struggle way more than GFs to tank most os the tank booster in mdwp, and now we will have to do that without our daily...This rework sucks, such a nerf

[@fredrauch418]

Yet definitely gonna fail to make paladin more popular with these changes, GF still bis…

[@lucassantiago7431]

for me this was a nerf to the paladin healer, isn't it already weak enough?

[@pudelinocacalat2951]

no, it's strongest

[@OrekVonLichtenstein]

​@@pudelinocacalat2951right pally heals are strong af

[@daveygravy1234]

@@OrekVonLichtenstein hahaha no their not warlock can do much better now and so can a cleric

[@OrekVonLichtenstein]

@@daveygravy1234 Bro their heals are strong af lmao. Warlock feels really nice too now. I genuinely feel safer with a pally than any other healer tho.

[@melissacarroll4336]

Why don't the fix the aggro and survivability of Pally tanks. They get wrecked in mwdp and I pull aggro after half a rotation.

[@williamorr3084]

We cannot use the forums either to tell Developers how disappointed we are with the changes because of the Community moderators deleting our post, changing the words around... or banning us from the forums altogether... I've been forum banned for the last 2 years straight...

[@zkrings]

I expected more... and for the time that is taking Cryptic to fix Paladins, think could do more. Your suggestions are way better than the current changes.

[@mohammedkhalil4268]

so they said we gonna buff paladins then they nerf it/bug fixes. i just lost hope on melee classes buff that they said they gonna buff

[@LMVR326]

I would love to make the paladin my main because i'm tired of the cleric, but why bother when i have a easier time running random content/RC and keeping everyone alive as a healer on a 52k warlock with random stats than a 63k paladin with crit/crit sec/power/ Outgoing Healing over 64k. The problem with craptic is that they are too focused on end game paladins that actually have good shields and ignore everything else. i would recomend a dev to pick up a paladin around 60k and go try to heal a simple master of the hunt reaper challange with a DoT debuff, let's see how they do

[@fredrauch418]

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[@bananeflambee445]

How can you messed a rework more than that like... Just how. I just see a nerf right here

[@petergianfranceso1620]

with the nerfs coming out say bye bye to the paladins. it would even better just to go back to bubble.

[@grandmasteryoda3187]

As a paladin tank main, this is very disappointing, might as well of not bothered to change anything, all this time they have been hyping up this rework its nothing but a huge nerf in most cases without addressing half the problems. Well for me this proves the devs dont listen to player feedback and suggestions at all. Thanks for the video but im not looking forward to the changes at all. I agree with your suggestions aragon wish cyptic would actually listen

[@Trick_415]

100% agree I would rather have no changes or fixes or ap nerf at all if this is the garbage the devs are going to give. rip pali

[@fredrauch418]

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[@H1plik]

Since they announced the changes for the paladin are in making, I kinda stopped playing him, simply waiting what will they do. Was really hoping for buffs for the healer part as that's paragon I like more on OP. So after watching this video, I think I'll stay on my Fighter because it'S actually sad to see mostly nerfs for healing.

[@eyn85]

Now they just need to fix the other 1000 bugged classes and broken FX

[@thiagolima4566]

Clearly a nerf, im so used to have my daily up after 20-25secs, my whole boss fight rotation works around that, having divine protector up when taking a massive hit, now i wont have it as often...Cryptic clearly doesnt know how Pala Tanks work, this is far from a buff, is mostly a nerf

[@williamorr3084]

I was told the reason they Nerfed Paladin back then in 1st place was because at the time... a few noobs... myself included Created an Paladin called (TheyCallMeJesus) forced me to change my name.. said it offended somebody... changed it to (StillCalledJesus) banned for 30 days... now it's Godzilla... but Fang Breaker Island had just came out... and it was hard right? Not for anyone with 17k and Healing Warmth, Burning Guidance as your Boon choices... and 3 skills... 1 I called the hand clap worked as an aura... 2. Bond of Virtue that allowed us to heal when we dealt DMG... 3. Mark (Can't remember it's name) but we'd mark an enemy and our allies would attack it and it would burst Heal allies and DMG nearby enemies as Healing Warmth and Burning guidance and we'd clear Fangbreaker with ease.... didn't matter what Item level was... so.... too many complaints went out to the developers about this little cocky noob with less than half the time and experience or item level coming in and literally carrying people through the dungeon.... That was the death of Healadin builds... everyone else played Bubble Tanks back then... I made the immortal Healer build and pissed off too many Elite players... now the Devs can't make Paladin fun anymore....

[@fredrauch418]

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[@kingrix]

Paladin is one of my 2 mains. I am not very excited by these changes.

[@fabiovandresen]

Why after watching these changes the phrase "BETTER NERF IRELIA" came into my mind? And they have said they wanna make the paladin class more popular? really?????

[@yama_yama_yama]

Sorry but this is hilarious after what happened to the Cleric

[@-Eila-]

Cleansing touch can heal NPC for MTOS but for equality with other healers, i suggest divine shelter can do it too

[@fredrauch418]

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[@azurastar00]

My thoughts on the healer side: Divine touch: i like the new power but yes, they could just replace the bond of virtue which no one uses. The old version offers flexibility Question: is the intercession part of the power working only on the ppl that you hit with the encounter or it goes for whoever has the lower health regardless of hitting it or not? Cure wounds: it might be a bug/overlook if it doesnt work on the ghosts on mtos we are screwed. Divine shelter: more heals are great and shields stay the same right? im happy with that And i wanna mentioned one aura that was left behind. I think they should buff the aura of life, its a missed opportunity. To me its certainly the aura you would go for extra heals but 25 magnitude heals is nothing.

[@vanderssonrc]

I'm worried about this, until now the only character I play is a paladin (and only a healer), if the changes actually materialize in this way it would be frustrating and demotivating. All that remains is to hope for corrections that actually favor the class. I have a request, if possible, where can I find the text of the prints referring to the changes in the class? I would like to translate them and send them to the people in my guild.

[@Aragon-]

they are just compiled by me. They will post official forum threads on the changes soon

[@NastyBeatChannel]

I would like to report at will heals that can heal your pet, causing miss aims with sw/op heal at wills

[@luccibonaduce5439]

Yea this "Rework" is looking more like an L to me. You would think they would give us a better shielding options for the healer, but here we are with nerfs on the kit we use and buffs on the kit you rarely see. To me it doesn't make sense that warlocks can out perform paladins when it comes to giving shields on top of giving them the option for regen. The change to sanctuary is nice until you get smacked to the otherside of the map, effectively wasting your daily and putting you on timeout (hopefully they fix that). Overall, this feels like a half baked rework compared the other classes just too say they made changes. Changes for the better are debateable.

[@fredrauch418]

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[@Iv3y_Lamar]

exactly, there is absolutely no reason to be running oathbound paladin when you can just run hellpact warlock.

[@PimpPenqwin123]

Yeah all I play is pally but they needed a buff not a bunch of nerfs

[@PimpPenqwin123]

Tbh though your suggestions would be a great addition to the game. Because I thought they stated they wanted more people to play pally I don't think that is what they have achieved lol

[@fredrauch418]

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[@Peter-ny4mu]

I have had a problem with a few powers, on a number of classes, not being able to target an enemy through an another player. The worst one is the Whisperknife.

[@R3member1]

What shitty changes, I was looking forward to more damage, like a lot more. You can't even do daily quests with a paladin tank. I mean you can but it takes like forever, at least more then 5 times. They should change that feature from 20% more damage when not in a party to something like 200% at the very least.

[@reverio7123]

Lol that was the old block animation before undermountain 😂 it even had a blue circle (aura) back then.

[@bulletsandbracelets4140]

I never targeted companions with my big pally heal, I always miss my target and waste it on myself. I wish they'd just make it like intercession and have it targets lowest HP party member. or at least give us a feat to select that option. Going to check and see what your updated vids say, but disappointing they didn't take more of the feedback I saw in the Paladin rework threads into consideration. There were some really good thoughts that would have offered more benefit with less change.

[@brunorbattlehammer5122]

Wow thanks cryptic for me scrapping my paladin.

[@Nicomancer001]

I already have trouble seeing if I block on my Pally whenever I push the Shift button (mostly because I got used to s with most DPS needing only 1 push of the button instead of a hold), this is gonna be a nightmare for me lmao Also that block cancel on tanks gonna make my Barb even more useless. It's the only way I was able to make it viable for myself and now it's gonna be even more shit XD Hopefully the Barb Tank changes could make up the difference for that nerf.

[@animez9669]

Just sounds like a nerf.

[@iancardoso9959]

I've noticed you programmed an "ARTIFACT" call whenever you activate your artifact can you teach us how to do so?

[@Aragon-]

you have to be on PC and copy and paste this in chat: /bind 3 "+InventoryExec ArtifactPrimary 0 $$ say ARTIFACTS!!!" If you want to remove it, go to options, go to keybinds and rebind 3 to your Artifact, or whatever key.

[@iancardoso9959]

@@Aragon- thank you so much, love your content it helps me learning about neverwinter while learning english you have an awesome pronunciation

[@nicholasramos5272]

If they keep nerfing healers like this. Dps survivability only going to get worse. The higher item lvl. The lower the defensive stats. Yes the shield are great but we healers struggle with divinity. Even when you try to manage it. It’s difficult enough to keep a group alive. Impossible deathless runs on pally heals. There gonna kill the game. I’m not liking alot of the changes lately, artifacts or class changes.

[@Gwalvannus287]

Damm I was waiting for a kind a return of the old paladin. Paladin was my favorite/ main character till mod 15, after that they destroyed the class, in that time I was so pissed that I excluded mine. After that I started to play as fighter tank, and it seems I'll continue to play as fighter. Is very, very sad when I think how they destroyed the paladin class... I used to love the blue pool that appeared whenever I hold up the shield and, of course, the light circle from bond of virtue. But now, it's just memories from the good ol' days of the oathbound paladin... and the runaway train contiue to down the hill.

[@fredrauch418]

Yep paladin gutted…

[@lordescanor73]

I'm new to the world of Neverwinter which class do you recommend? I was looking for a dynamic class that immediately does a lot of damage, thanks 😄

[@Aragon-]

rogue is great for solo questing. Wizard is the easiest for party content top damage

[@danikmoroz2328]

Warlock is well balanced: interesting both solo and party content, pretty good both aoe and st, has real variations for encounters to use which makes more interesting whole gameplay and 2 viable paragons: dps and healer. So recommend at least to try it

[@lordescanor73]

@@danikmoroz2328 Do I put intelligence and dexterity or charisma as characteristic points?

[@lordescanor73]

@@Aragon- How do you increase dexterity and strength? While as a race I was thinking either Drow or Gith

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

For me they removed a loooot of the Paladins defence to offence skill sets, it used to have a guard attack that like the Fighter that is now removed,

[@re__ng1806]

Does the forte stat affect the divinity regen of the justiciar tank? Or is that just for the OP heal? Might look at running new mdwp manticore ring and divin regen helm in new mod

[@Aragon-]

Only for the Healers, does Forte effect the regen

[@re__ng1806]

@@Aragon- good to know, was curious . +On the new block animation comment. Hard enough to see if I'm blocking already as im spamming shift anyway xD my shift key is battered 😂

[@rabb0585]

They have completely destroyed the fighter dps with these last couple changes lol no more ap gain from the shield and no moving in heavy slash (only form of mobility)

[@Iv3y_Lamar]

all they had to do was increase the base healing magnitudes and ad a heal over time somewhere and the class would have been perfect. One idea is that once your shields take damage, they heal the person for a certain % of the dmg? But yeah, all those months of waiting for this...?

[@pudelinocacalat2951]

Does Bond even work? A friend marked me and told me it doesn't

[@angrypossum2152]

Not sure if the buffs out weigh the nerfs to be honest......

[@ccsm8877]

Yeah tanks divine touch still not in a working state gj cryptic no threat generation and CD of 27 secs no good this rework seems more of a re nerf hahah this was long awaited and it ls Terrible 😂 perhaps they should use the character builder made by Rainer and see that paladin tank has the lowest build score no matter what you do 😅 they already are at a disadvantage having divinity on the tank 😆

[@klynt5392]

Nerfing Justicar and Sentinel, and buffing Vanguard... lmao

[@danikmoroz2328]

Well started playing pally recently, and it is interesting for both tanking and healing. But still have problems with agro on tank and when rework was announced I hoped that it will improve that aspect. No, they didn’t :( As for changes - all changes are so… just so so, I reply do not think it will make pally more attractive. And yeah, they should definitely do smth to attract ppl to tanking cause there are almost no tanks for endgame :(

[@fredrauch418]

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[@accordingtoyamsz1542]

I quit the game a month ago, but I root for the devs to finally get it right for the players who still play it. Seems they’re failing the players, again.

[@chaddster02]

Time to shelf my pally

[@martinusamsterdam7667]

Finally, thanks Aragon.. But im not sure if I will be happy with it, except the increased threat effect Greetings, Ogguk the Beholder

[@ghetto4790]

I hope it's not all

[@maximusdecius3533]

As a 52k paladin. Tank, dps. Dps was was brutal trying to get through new content as a solo. Now Tank is Nerfed. My daily was my survivability. Now thats gone. Neverwinter needs to change the name to Always Nerfed. Nerfhammer of the Colossus

[@gemsstr7933]

I swear these devs just sit in a room, smoke up, and inhale cheeto puff dust - then make choices -- terrible terrible choices....

[@traviscole1218]

Tanks need to deal more damage.....

[@StarLord.2k]

I disagree, there's already 3 damage dealers not including comps. Give tanks more threat and a little more survivability. Neverwinter shouldn't be a dungeon version of Cod, lol.

[@skilljoy9246]

@0jsays I agree tanks are for taking damage, if you want to deal damage make another character!

[@traviscole1218]

I'm not say a straight up DPS paragon. I'm saying it would be nice to get a little buff maybe on atwills or something. Not saying compete with other dps classes that would be literally a all in one character lol

[@traviscole1218]

@@StarLord.2k Also dealing more damage generates more threat.

[@StarLord.2k]

@@traviscole1218 That is what the math says, but most threat powers are very low magnitude. The "threat ring" does how much damage? How about the "hat" that increases threat that you get after running mtos a jillion times, how much damage on that piece?

[@Whatever_it_is-n7m]

Didnt knew pally could anim cancel 😮

[@GlennElliottKeller]

To anyone still “just adapting” at this point, I wish you the best lol

[@katziro7829]

as a main paladin for years i was waiting this rework but instead of buff us they destroyed us huge nerfs especialy for paladin tank we had 1 good thing only for servivalability the daily and they destroyed us. And 1 more thing we cannot easly animation cancel on console donmt forget us so we screwed tnx cryptyc 1 more time i will stop the game not worth my time

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

Maybe they don't like paladin Block looking like Fighter block? Can Paladin attack over the top of their shield and shield bash? {:o:O:}

[@Aragon-]

paladin cannot attack while blocking

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

@@Aragon- Ah, that's why they've changed it: to make it more distinctive. There's no need to position a weapon over the shield if it cannot be used to attack. But why change it now, 21 mods after the Paladin was first released? 🤣 Do they think they are designing Mod 6? {:o:O:}

[@williamorr3084]

Basically Healer builds are trash now... to summarize the long awaited Paladin rework.... just to massively be disappointed.... again...

[@abzenz]

So they just buffed and nerfed somethings around and got nothing done overall, classic.

[@fredrauch418]

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[@risennation1239]

Ap nerf wtf?

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

Is healing the ghosts pretty critical to success in that dungeon? So, as they've abolished it, does that fill you with confidence that they understand all the classes they have created, what they have done to them, and understand the details of their game really, really, extremely well? Like award-winning experts? {:o:O:}

[@Aragon-]

not critical, but it makes it so that everyone takes increased damage and more likely they get one shot by the scream mechanic.

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

@@Aragon- So, pretty critical, then, if everyone can be one-shotted by an overcharged Scream? Like a 15 thousand Gigawatt Bore Worm or 5 billion Soulmonger? {:o:O:}

[@marshallodom1388]

They constantly focus on fiddling with the dumbest things, like the subtle block animation. Don't fighters flash a blue visual when they block? They could have at least added that to the Paladin. They could have removed the "swish" sound from At-Wills that made it feel like you missed 100% of the time. It seems the reason all these "fixes" to classes is to make it harder for skilled players to excel with their class rather than make content harder, and again this is so the greenest of players can be on equal footing with veterans of the game. So F'ing lame! I'm basically going to have retrain my Paladins and learn how to use different builds. This game gets duller and more and more boring with every patch. The higher-ups in WoC or gearbox are krapping all over their own products.

[@chehadesemaan9807]

Wait did they just killed the paladin 🤣👍

[@Yamcha291]

Has been dead since mod 16

[@williamorr3084]

So all I'm hearing is the Paladin is getting Hard Nerfs again.... I'll never play my Paladin again at this BS rate... I used to play an Healer Build... and ever since they removed the old Boon tree with Healing Warmth and Burning guidance and original skills... they just make the Paladin even more trashy..

[@CherryBlossommoon]

So basically they did the SAME thing they did to paladin all that time ago when paladin used to be one of the best classes in neverwinter

[@WillyWonka-oe3sm]

I like divine touch change but... I dont like the -25% shield on a critical hit. Thank you for this info.

[@danikmoroz2328]

From my view it is great that it is not sharing heals, but that cd.. oh god. Why? For heals using healing enc with cd is so stupid and not flexible as u cannot manage it at all

[@WillyWonka-oe3sm]

@@danikmoroz2328 Thats right... CD is the worst decition ever for a healing.

[@WillyWonka-oe3sm]

@@danikmoroz2328 Cant believe criptic did it again. Divine shelter is our last hope.

[@Pussmash]

I could still get almost 2 hallowed grounds on cleric before the touch cooldown is over lmao

[@StarLord.2k]

Pallys are mediocre at best for both Paragons until they're about 60-65k IL anyway, just take them out of the game...they won't be missed. There's a mount and if I recall a comp or two that'll give shields.

[@poetscotty]

My main was a Dragonborn Paladin but after this update I'm going to buy metallic Dragonborn and making it to become my main.

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

Which class? {:o:O:}

[@truthbiased3282]

gsh, if that was giving the OP some luv, i'd shun to see some hate ... omg so ... whatever ...

[@user-kv1ih9lf5e]

Let them get away with cleric nerfs and pretty much everyone that played other healing class was fine with it, even happy about it. Only fair pally ap gain suffered the same fate. Pally healers in trial content are just shield bots anyways so the aoe heal buff is fine, an extra 100 mag heal wint make much of a digf but might help. The rework to pally agro should help a bit. Haven't met a pally tank yet that doesn't struggle for agro, 100 mag/sec in the aoe will be a huge help for maintaining agro and allow them to focus on staying alive instead of holding agro. The problem with pally is the balance between agro and survivability both relying on divinity. The divine champion shouldn't be a toggle but a push to use like dig in on fighter and shouldn't cost as much divinity or any and let it rely on stamina alone. If they did that, the intimidating presence buff should solve agro issues and and survabilty would be in par with fighters.

[@Aragon-]

that threat ability will not help at all compared to just using templars and having more survivability

[@user-kv1ih9lf5e]

@Aragon- haven't seen a pally yet hold agro without struggling and spamming all their divinity leaving divine champion pretty much useless for anything other than tank busts. Like I said if they made it so divine champion was a push to use and only costed Stam like fighters intimidating presence would be a huge help. Having the best block ability on a feat is just dumb imo, make it part of the class mechanics and change unyielding to something actually useful.

[@warrenstephens576]

So they made the pally even worse? Great job cryptic!!!!!!!!!!

[@DeadDreadLock]

Paladin Nerf!!!! 🎉

[@Aragon-]

Yup

[@rororom]

Pfff Return to teso🙄 , srry nerfrwinter .. but playing templar is more better that you paladin cap. The players in xbox is to low now .. very sad

[@superflygaming9606]

Norton clearly said huge buff for pld, making it a class everyone will want to play, increasing the amount people who play the class, but instead they nerf tank and healer to almost unplayable levels, really confused at why they want to destroy the class so badly, hopefully they dont go through with these nerfs, shocking!

[@cernoros]

From what i seen there are more reasons not to ever play a tank!..New updates from bad to worst..i wanted to see some damage buff to speed up daily chores and with this stupid campaign fetch of 10 weeks ...no i will not play tank anymore ...unless they make for OP a dps paragon like it use to be before !

[@wolf.8224]

tank e healer paladin mod 27 r.i.p ..

[@Sonny-be5lx]

Off topic but are the devs aware that hindering striķe for the Ranger is still broken ? Weren't they suppose to fix it ?

[@fredrauch418]

Pally rework - more like pally nerf! Why mess with the shield animation? Why mess with Divine Touch? Why can’t we heal the spiders in MTOS now? RIP…

[@MatheusAraujo1998-]

27 cooldown is fucking Crazy

[@Aragon-]

yeah

[@craigterlizzi3809]

Very Meh feeling especially after the healock changes that came in

[@Aragon-]

indeed

[@feanaro4915]

Why nerf Paladin healer??? Ridiculous!!! They wanna see only warlock healer on the game now?

[@sabrecat3460]

You know, it's an old tradition for Cryptics...

[@ccsm8877]

Maybe they are trying to kill paladin class to bring in a broken druid class hahahah😅

[@TheDragons1981]

Another healer down the drains keep it up criptic 1st my cleric now my pally really this game ... But hey guess we all need 2 run our healer compagnions they were outhealing the pally heals already anyway miss the old days with the dubble bubble on my tank or the Nice big blue bars from my pally but back in the big closet never 2 be played again after ty

[@EBG...]

So paladin heal is even LESS viable than it already was before. Lol id honestly rather they ignore paladin for another few years

[@s4suke30]

Lol, they nerf the paladins,

[@ThePityu85]

FInally op get AP nerf and some fixes...next Gf fix and some nerf for balanced gameplay. I know nerf is fucked, but if they don't push up barb tank... need to push down the others for balance. Sadly Gf tank is far away from Barb...maybe 2 steps away. from OP 1 step away or almost same lvl. Next pls Gf shift nerf and fix....

[@Yamcha291]

They hate paladin since mod 16

[@daveygravy1234]

Like always , a joke of a company.

[@blazeboy4314]

I’ll be honest at this point just sell me class reroll token already I’ll just play Guardian fighter I regret making a paladin lol

[@waschber249]

SRY f o Cryptic. A real Paladin dont need Nerfs Buffs etc , we only need But teammates who are not permanently in red

[@juanpaulovargas3756]

Too bad, paladin is my main ☹️ and that lame block animation is terrible. What a letdown

[@thewaltzmaster]

they should nerf Wizards instead. not paladins.

[@-devilzadvocatte-8131]

wrong changes. wtf

[@NerdTrigger]