Araumi vs Goreclaw vs Horde of Notions vs Syr Gwyn EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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[@sylvandata]

So, at 11:30, several triggers were put onto the stack that should not have been due to some confusion between things leaving play due to state based actions and sacrificing. The "Legend Rule" does not sacrifice the excess permanents but simply moves them to the graveyard instead. CR 704.5j If a player controls two or more legendary permanents with the same name, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.”

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catch! Goes to show that I don't know all the rules as well as I think I do. I guess I always associated putting them into the yard as sacrificing them. I probably got it mixed up because they're still considered dying for some triggers.

[@bosser18]

Very neat and informative. Magic might possibly be a Bit confusing at times

[@gdiridium5525]

so Legend rule would cause Blood Artist to trigger, but not Mayhem Devil (if I understand correctly)

[@teagobr]

@@gdiridium5525 Exactly

[@sylvandata]

@@gdiridium5525 Correct.

[@faerie7dragon]

"You are the most dangerous player. I am not gonna attack you anymore. Because reasons."

[@Googleflax]

Well when you use Dimir sleeves you can expect to only draw Dimir lands.

[@m.a.9517]

Exactly what I thought when he mentioned that.. How could you expect anything else?!

[@solidmasterdante]

Oof, that poor Syr Gwyn player. Not a SINGLE freakin' equipment?! My condolences, friend :[

[@cameronrobertson9800]

They can only blame themselves when they only have 10 equipments and no tutors in an equipment deck

[@Omniette]

Cant wait to see you guys battle it out with kaldiem commanders! Some of them are really powerful

[@Redfoxe]

I had forgotten all about Thicket Elemental. My brother used a mono green stompy deck when we were younger.

[@ChrisLovesComics]

Great intro from my boy Jolt!

[@kensai4363]

This channel should get at least 100K subs the stuff they do here is way better than the command zone and I love you guys for it

[@DarkEinherjar]

Yeah, MASSIVE misplay on the encored Kels there, like the pinned comment said... and it's even worse because those extra cards might've been crucial for Wes to win. Unless the word "sacrifice" is expressly written on a cost or effect (even if only on reminder text), there's no sacrifice. Going to the graveyard because of "legend rule" is no different than going to the graveyard from having 0 or less toughness: they just go. No sacrifice, nothing. Therefore, no Kels triggers.

[@orgazmo686971]

Always happy to see a green deck. Would've been better if Goreclaw performed better.

[@PlutoDarknight]

*looks at opening hands* You had ONE JOB, Muddstah. ONE. JOB.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

Ah Goreclaw, my first every build commander deck. Based on the commander's quarters decklist as a starting point. And what i noticed, is that even when i upgraded the deck with even fancier cards, it played exactly the same and was always a threat. The 20 euro version and my 50 euro version were just as good. I have made it into a Neyith fighting deck now though. But man i won so many games with it.

[@iamthefinal5934]

So I built an Araumi recently and tried making it as casual as I could, not putting a single rare or Mythic in it, but boy oh boy, is she mad powerful. I haven't lost with it yet, though I have only gotten to play 4 games with it so far.

[@stevenbuck4090]

Fourth! Love your videos! 😍 I might actually build an Arumi deck after this video. Looks like fun!

[@zachw3548]

Shes super fun but be aware that its a deck that only shines in a multiplayer game! Ive been taking my deck apart bc the lack of 4 person games makes her alot less fun :( but still a wonderful deck of you have the play group!

[@esperderek5383]

Yet another game that shows you should be playing more grave hate than you probably are in your Commander deck.

[@shayneweyker]

Anyone else think Luke messed up by swinging at Andrew when Wes was the threat?

[@garethsentry]

Such bad threat assessment

[@yoshisalaverry5502]

Far be it from me to criticize Muddstah's deckbuilding, but I'm surprised to see no Cultivate or Kodama's Reach or Rampant Growth in his list. They really help in 5 color decks especially.

[@MrJeffAqua]

24 creatures seems far too few for an araumi deck, I would expect to see 30-35.

[@NeoDMC]

@@comradecameron3726 Yeah my Araumi deck is 30% Creatures, 30% Lands, 20% Self Mill/Discard, 20% Interaction.

[@Narabedla4]

i heavily disagree. you only really need a few encore activations to take over a game, instead of including mediocre or below average creatures, you can include ways to get the better targets more reliably. edit: that said, my araumi deck has 30 creatures, but if i would want to make it stronger, creatures would go.

[@burnsboy101]

@@Narabedla4 and what if you don’t get any of those creatures? What a stupid statement

[@Narabedla4]

@@burnsboy101 you'd cut a lot of them for cantrips/carddraw and tutors. Increasing the amount of cards you see (or even target pick out of your deck) by a lot, ensuring you find the few good targets that are close to game enders and having a much more durable araumi independent deck otherwise. you not knowing how to build a deck does not make my statement stupid :)

[@FogKnight13]

I wish I had a set up so I could try and play a game with you guys

[@rohanwarrior7866]

At 7:50 to 8:04 I heard a slight audio issue, but otherwise, like usual, it was a great video.

[@dess8815]

Second I love your videos and how hope you stay safe 😊😊😊

[@hectormorales4090]

Cool game guys!

[@DarkSwan01]

For the giveaway, it still says Commander Legands on the screen in the address area for Flipside gaming instead of Kaldheim even though it shows the kaldeim box.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Sorry, that's a flub on my part! It's for Kaldheim.

[@Closer2Zero]

Oh man skylar’s camera makes my head spin

[@justanotherhuman7106]

Syr Gwynn should be fun to watch

[@ExTaCee]

I want that Star Guardians mat

[@Xeno-MTG]

I run an Araumi deck too, Gary is great as a finisher but nothing beats a triple massacre wurm. Giving all your opponents creatures -6/-6 bad having them lose 6 life per dying creature is nasty.

[@edoardobianchi7846]

Which is the best preconstructed Commander deck from 2020 or 2019?

[@fenixmeaney6170]

Wow 2 dimir decks at the table

[@Nr4747]

13:18 is a prime example why waiting until the blue player untaps to cast your spells at the last possible moment is often a mistake, even in multiplayer games.

[@marcup1584]

He had probably just gotten the Beast Within draw at blue player's upkeep when they both drew cards from the previous Arcane Denial

[@hiddenleaf414]

Why would Luke not Beast Within while Wes was tapped out instead of letting him untap?

[@michaelgwartney2672]

Because humans make mistakes

[@breadstyx]

maybe drawn it off arcane denial

[@grantbosworth6418]

Why did Luke wait for the upkeep to play the beast within at 13:01? All his blue was tapped out and you waited for him to untap his lands to have a chance to counter it.

[@alejandrosaucedo4894]

Goreclaw lost once they divided up the damage, aggro decks need to junkyard dog a single opponent and go from there. Besides that Araumi is sooo strong holy crap.

[@Threadoflength]

Yea, "being nice" isn't really a recipe for victory for Voltron or Aggro decks. Attacking the player who is 5 turns behind, or the flooded mardu player wasn't the best strategy.

[@alejandrosaucedo4894]

@@Threadoflength exactly if you dont have your biggest threat eliminated within the first few turns your chances of winning diminish

[@bosser18]

Thanks handsome ;)

[@MTGMuddstah]

Any time!

[@kingginger3335]

Before the video starts, I'm guessing Araumi wins

[@jacobbono]

As someone who has a Syr Gwyn deck that has evolved many times since I built it, my main take away is that she is a really mediocre knight tribal deck and a much more powerful equipment deck. I only run a handful of key knights like Puresteel Paladin in my current version as most of the equipment ends up on my commander either way and having non-knight equipment support cards like Stoneforge Mystic, new Akiri, and Reyav ends up a much better use of the slots. If you play too many knights it ends up like this game, a few knights that don't really do anything and no equipment.

[@tttyyy949]

New akiri does better job at being syr gwyn than syr gwyn and wyleth does a better job at being voltron. Syr Gwyn is terrible for a 6 mana commander.

[@claretrep3487]

Also, Kels has Menace so Goreclaw couldn't block. @11:54

[@oosvaldd]

Let araumi alive and be seriously punished on next turn. It accours very often around here, and that's why my friends always target her as soon as possible. An idea is put some haste engines and small etb creatures to active Araumi at same turn she entered to make some value like mill, draw or grave recursion.

[@tomnajera4906]

lol when people realize Goreclaw is the shiznit.

[@pokemonoldschool]

11:55 Luke shouldn't have been able to block kels, because she has menace.

[@ShadowWasntHere8433]

Goreclaw should’ve kept attacking Wes. Rule 1 of aggro

[@acuriouscase1931]

Syr Gywn is an equipment deck, not a knight tribal deck!

[@hafusan]

Aroomie :3 (idk how it's pronounced but find this version very cute indeed)

[@jaka1748]

I promise it somewhat split up (Ara-Umi). It seems to be a name based on Japanese, which would mean 'Araumi' would roughly translate to "Rough Sea". Hence, I pronounce it how I would a Japanese word.

[@BrichoRicho]

Really like the Japanese context with "Ara-Umi" from the other commenter! "Aroomi" bothers me to my core. It's not "Fleshbag Marooder". It's not "Ooramancer". It's not "spaghetti sooce". Why would it be "Aroomi"? 🙃

[@ColorwaveCraftsCo]

Lol. How *does* a wurm wear boots?

[@DarkX64]

Your mic was popping a lot this episode, careful Muddstah

[@MTGMuddstah]

Strange. I'm not sure why! The Premiere Pro file sounds fine. I'll have to make sure to check for it in future games.

[@shayneweyker]

@@MTGMuddstah It may well have been not cross-fading at cuts in your narration track. the discontinuity in the audio waveform can sound like that.

[@plain6677]

Araumi with 24 creatures only? Need at least 32 for the deck to function properly in my opinion

[@gypsieking3280]

I agree but he still made it work.

[@middknight5202]

I'm sorry but after that huge setup all eyes should've been on Wes,.. I always hate doing big set up plays to fill the yard or hand before i start to go off cuz my playgroup always catches on. Grave Titan in the yard after a massive edh mill? Yeah how about we play arch-enemy now instead of later?

[@Karonar]

Encore doesnt exile the tokens, they get sacrificed.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catch! That's a narration error on my part.

[@sintwelve]

Where's syr gwyn's equipments?

[@simonisphording]

Those are some bad opening hands to keep

[@enoeht]

So this was already a 2-player game of EDH with 2 spectators, and the Goreclaw player threw away what could have been an easy win by doing the thing a creature-based stompy deck should never ever do. Say it with me kids "splitting damage loses games."

[@chimneyimp1486]

splitting damage is not the problem. wrong threat assessment is

[@seraphinasowerby9453]

Not gona lie like I really enjoy watching your vids sometimes, I really loved your earlier ones... but for so so long it feels like every game there is someone who keeps a stink hand and sits there the whole game not doing all that much. Like I really want to enjoy the vids and I know it can be a bit hard to get consistency in a game like magic, but for so long it feels like most games are basically a 3 player pod. I really want this to come across as constructive criticism though cause I love the channel and you guys, just its a bit of a feel bad seeing one person basically not playing.

[@DarkEinherjar]

It's not right to scrap a whole game because one player decided to keep a risky hand and paid the price. It's not everyone else's fault. Sometimes it's inevitable: there will always be someone who pushes their luck or have mulliganed down to five cards before giving up; there will always be someone who keeps doing "draw, land, go" because the deck is giving them nothing but lands... bad luck. It happens. A LOT. I feel bad for them too, but that's how Magic games, especially casual ones, really are. Not every game can be a perfect game where everyone gets to have fun.

[@TheGangster1505]

Any pauper TortEx players here?

[@Threadoflength]

No, they're all still finishing their last match...