Horus Heresy 2: FALSE GODS by GRAHAM MCNEILL - 40k Book Club with Mira!

[@elpoturu]

Excited for Ian and Mira to be like 65 years old talking about Saturnine

[@memorandom7484]

You'd never think guys with names like Angron, Mortarion and Abaddon would turn out to be the baddies, would you?

[@MrPooleish]

You mean Ezekyle A-Bad-One isn't a nice guy?

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

And Erebus is Ere-sus

[@josepholiveira2873]

I once posed a challenge to some non-40k friends of mine, giving them the names of the pre-heresy legions and asking "which ones do you think turned Evil?" They got around 80% of them right.

[@BARMN89]

@@josepholiveira2873 I feel like it would start out really hard with "Dark Angels, Emperors Children" and then get pretty straightforward after that

[@rakino4418]

What about ARR-BITE-OR IAN?

[@ArthurGanjei]

I will never recover from the loss of my hero Ignace Karkasy, he was the best of us 😢😢😢

[@euansmith3699]

Mira's author interviews are so much fun and so informative. The book club is a wonderful collab between two enthusiastic folk.

[@maddiepaige715]

Mira calling it the "Horissy" and referring to the "fall of Heris" is very cute and funny to me. I'm not even a 40k aficionado.

[@miramanga]

😂

[@alastaircollins1145]

I, for one, am all for watching every single Horus Heresy books being discussed by y'all

[@alexsynndri6339]

Finally, my boy, my top lad, Erebus, gets the recognition he deserves for all the good he did 👍

[@userb3nje909]

#didnothingwrong

[@CardinalCap.]

“I’m never going to feel sorry for them” (referring to word bearers) ohhhh ohhhh just wait until Argal Tal 😢

[@Vroomerz]

Argal Tal did nothing wrong. Lorgar did nothing wrong. F Erebus.

[@chillsalot7065]

@@VroomerzLorgar did an insane amount of things wrong, F Erebus fr tho, all my homies hate Erebus

[@MrLigonater]

“We smelled that candle!” Best line

[@JasmineRGBLights]

Mira's sheer delight at everything happening is so much fun. I'm VERY excited to hear that there are plans to keep this going throughout the series!

[@Matt-FRESHMINTY]

I always liked this one. The zombie battle was drawn out to me and Maloghurst felt less like a crippled politician and more like Horus' goblin sidekick. On the flipside, it really nails the mournival dynamic and the ending sticks super well

[@jonathanmulholland9720]

You guys are perfect together. Ive read about 100 40k books throughout the years. I have also just found your channel and cant get enough of these book clubs. Keep it up!

[@fifth_godsmote8522]

Horus started the war with the technocrosie for the stc construct

[@Demigodish4o3]

"The Traitoring" made me laugh-out-loud

[@joshuakelly5321]

I know it's a trilogy, but Path of the Dark Eldar by Andy Chambers (maybe a 3 part series?) Is genuinely some of the best fiction BL has ever produced. It got me into 40k, and doesn't get enough attention, it has such deep lore about Commoragh and how Dark Eldar society functions, the true nature of the fall of the Eldar, and some awesome combat. It would be amazing to see you cover it!

[@Lord_Wateren]

It is always interesting to have a non-Imperial POV. I thought both the Path of the Eldar and Dark Eldar trilogies were quite nice. As you say, they just have SO MUCH lore about their lifestyles, training, politics, etc.

[@swaggboiii9528]

I think out of the many different lore thingies for 40k, this has to be my favourite. It's just so cool to see a newcomer's perspective to all of this ^^

[@jackth23mellow7]

the jump from what is faith and have to define gods deep, to Angron is angry an iron hands iron hands simple joke, in the same book is what so amazing about Warhammer.

[@Misadventures_85]

new episode.. nice! always a joy seeing you two discussing Warhammer and Mira mentioning that she learned the aquila salute from Dan Abnett is such a flex. I love it!

[@philipcollins5144]

Karkasy, Karkasy, they've all got it in for me! Brilliant Mira!

[@walstafa]

Horus succumbed to the most devastating force in Warhammer 40k: Unreliable Narrators.

[@jonnylectitio279]

That point you two made towards the end about random quotes being wrongly attributed that are from our own history can't be overstated! It's absolutely one of the coolest parts about the heresy books to me. The remembrancers (i.e. those tasked with remembering the past) will say things like "There was once an ancient Terran philosopher who said those who don't examine their life with depth don't deserve to have one" (I'm paraphrasing a misquote), and that human connection makes the story so such much more believable and fascinating to me. As if this is truly an extension of our own history that we're living right now. Please keep making this series it's fantastic!

[@Memodown]

Just found this channel recently. These book club videos are hugely entertaining, and Mira's 'outside' perspective adds a lot.

[@LCliffhanger]

The first 3 books do feel like a trilogy but really i see the first 5 books as a pentology, and I see Fulgrim as the real conclusion to the first arc of the Heresy. Galaxy in Flames is very much the end of the Luna Wolves Trilogy, but then Flight of the Eisenstein and Fulgrim are the Death Guard and Emperors Children Perspective of the whole story we've had in the first 3 books and the events just after, so it fills in and adds more to the Build up of the Events of Galaxy in Flames and then Flight of the Eisenstein takes us to the immediate after affects and then Fulgrim fills even more detail and buildup, and the covers the immediate consiquences and the major reaction to the ripple effects caused by Flight of the Eisenstein.

[@FullMonterey]

Oh my goodness, this sounds amazing! The whole series! I'm working my way through the series and just finished book 10. So excited to watch all of Mira's interviews and your book club reviews.

[@Hiyama420]

These reviews are great - love the chemistry that you and Mira have in talking about these books.

[@PinkyJustice]

Let's appreciate how Erebus setting up the trap of the planet so that it was the leader Horus chose because he was the best and wouldn't ever betray them and was awesome was "abandoned" by him.... Planting the subconscious seeds of Horus being abandoned by the emperor etc etc. Just a solid outline and a real thematic nice touch

[@robisonwells1]

I absolutely love it when you have Mira on to do these book discussions. More please!

[@keymer91]

My Chaplain caved in Erebus face with his thunder hammer in the last heresy game I played.

[@miramanga]

Yay! 😝

[@startdale5547]

That must have been satisfying.

[@johnojoseph]

This series prompted me to re read the first few Heresy books. Think the last time I read False Gods was about 10 years ago. It's really funny looking back now after so many books that the reasoning for Horus turning to Chaos got squished into one book.

[@lukelloyd8976]

As much as "Temple of the Serpent Lodge" is Sus as All Hell...the Caduceus is both medicinal, and snek

[@beng6149]

I really like these videos. They help me remember what I listened to in audiobook form. It was hard to retain everything when I listened during work.

[@gooble1]

Wake up, honey! New book club with Mira just dropped!

[@obnoxiouspriest]

You two doing these (or probably any) books makes me sooo happy!

[@davydatwood3158]

I'd not watched any of your book club videos before today, because I'm all "enh, I don't care about the books." Then KZbin Autoplayed "Ork Book" and I enjoyed it, so I tried this one - and I've come to realise two things. First, Mira playing Stephen Maturin to Ian's Jack Aubrey is a very engaging way to learn bits of the lore without having to actually read the books. And second, that these videos fit solidly into my favourite KZbin genre of "people being passionate about the things they're passionate about." So I guess I'm gonna go watch some more. While I paint. Because Ian got me back into painting minis. :)

[@thomasparker6124]

Mira: "I'm never going to feel sorry for them" - Lets see about that after the start of First Heretic. A warcrime that could have been an email.

[@wolven86]

Eh, Monarchia isn't a warcrime, given the city is empty when it is obliterated. I feel sorry for Argel Tal and no other Word Bearers.

[@loadeddice4696]

@@wolven86 I think making an entire city of people homeless is still not great, morally speaking.

[@wolven86]

@@loadeddice4696 Sure, but still not a warcrime.

[@StickWithTrigger]

@@wolven86 it is. Displacing a group of people is a war crime

[@wolven86]

@@StickWithTrigger so it is :)

[@badcarlos551]

It definitely felt like Horus fell too quickly/easily to chaos in FG. It'd be great to see that part of the HH series rewritten and fleshed out

[@Wendelvendel]

I think Mira doing the emperor's diary may be the greatest literary event / series of events to have taken place in the gw verse. Please do this! 😂

[@RiverNorthExile]

Good to see book club going strong! Also, I've just read "Brutal Kunnin", can't wait for that one!

[@Mark.Matthews]

This was absolutely fantastic, jumped in here so looking forward to catching up on the first book club

[@captainparty]

One of the things this book made me think about was if the Space Marine’s love for their Primarch was natural respect and affection or if it was some sort of in built gene-bred coding to make them follow their General? Is an Astartes turning their back on their Primarch a massive feat of will?

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

I’d say yes

[@derektofte8234]

thank you guys for putting a smile on my face

[@hmark3665]

It'd great to se Mira's entusiasm about the 40k-univers.

[@N0-1_H3r3]

No matter what, don't speak a dead language in front of old books.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

I think I remember the book FORCING him to speak it aloud, and he can’t stop no matter how he tries

[@richardgreathead5735]

Do you want deadites? That's how you get deadites

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

@@richardgreathead5735 no, these are redneck torture family zombies, very different ;)

[@DrFeelGoodHelpDesk]

​@@richardgreathead5735Groovy

[@6dragondaddy913]

@@richardgreathead5735 Space Marine cocks bolter "Listen up your primitive screwheads... this is my BOOMSTICK!"

[@fartooeasy7315]

...."Fuckin Eldar".

[@nightshadeii9248]

Find someone that looks at you the way Mira looks at Ian. 😊

[@jonathanmulholland9720]

Yes lol! I can't help but think they are married. Either way I love it lol. They are awesome

[@hairydadder1168]

I love Mira's summaries!!!!!

[@amosb1452]

comment for the comment god! made me smile thinking of the emperor, humming action movie titles for his diary entries!

[@drinksanddice9528]

What's going to happen when Mira knows everything about the universe and she's telling Arbitor Ian what's up and he's the bright eyed novice?

[@alexsmith7313]

You always know it’s gonna be a good book club when Mira looks disappointed in the thumbnail but Ian’s just *laughing.*

[@Johnny_Cameron]

Looking forward to Ork Book review... Remember, there are few things in this galaxy more dangerous than an Ork having fun!

[@eirikbrattengbratlien9942]

I can't wait to see you guys review galaxy in flames. it is an actionbook, but also it's a very heartfelt moment in the lore with the legions and to see brother turn against brother just breaks my heart.

[@carlstanford7607]

I subscribe to both Mira and Ian and love their book club together. It’s just great

[@ilyana1126]

This was so much fun to watch. I love the exchanges between you two and I’ve learned a bit from a book that I read years ago.

[@keepcalmandre-roll5480]

Another classic book club. Love how Mira is getting into the Hersey :)

[@adamduncombe594]

I love these videos. Really fun and engaging. The novels are why even started this hobby! More please 🙏 🎉

[@sayton2241]

I really like the idea of a wh30/40k podcast, it's something I've been looking around for, cheers for that

[@jonrollason5709]

I mostly just listen, but I look up quite a bit to see your happy little faces. 🙂

[@miramanga]

[@santiagodelgado875]

Another fun entry in the #ArbitorIan/#MiraManga #Warhammer40k Universe! Loved it!! ❤

[@bobbler42]

2:50 one has to wonder why a society with a militaristic mien has a greeting sign that needs both hands. Which must lead to some accidental discharges from, dropped weapons, no? And chainsword accidents. Maybe that’s why there is such a focus on prostheses.

[@miramanga]

🤣

[@Kate-yd8yk]

Excited for the ork book because of mike brooks has become my new favorite 40K writer.

[@michaelstevens5712]

As always, it's great fun reliving these with you guys. I'm really glad to see you stick with the series. You touch on a couple of my favorite overlapping features of these books, specifically the author's playful literacy crashing into the setting's the ironic historicity. Obviously, some of the names are just absolute bullseyes, but that also just activates the the times where they aren't. I always thought there was something odd going on there with the naming Horus, Magnus, and Russ. Why is Horus not the pseudo-egyptian primarch? Magnus would be a perfect name for a viking. Etemylogically, Leman Russ seems to break down to "The Horse's Lover" (???) but if you squint at it in english it could also make sense as "The Red Man", which would be Magnus. Are we reading a historical account that gets some of the names wrong (Shakespire and Amulet)? Is this plot-relevant warp treachery? GW squaring circles left over from the 80's? The craft of the BL authors makes every version of that lively and enticing.

[@koskaltri8909]

Mira: I'm never gonna feel sorry for them [word bearers] Everyone who's read First Heretic: we'll see about that...

[@krel3358]

Imagine how shes gonna feel when they get to Betrayer.

[@Dustbinlid1]

The library scene is definetly false advertising. 10,000 years later in Hereticus a Priest exits his church with his aquila to banish a demon. Only it's not a flamer is a demon prince Cherubael, who just laughs at him, melts the aquila and turns the priest into a Ferrus Manus action figure.

[@TimotheeFleury]

Very excited about Mira reading Brutal Kunnin'

[@neilwebber7749]

This is some of my favourite stuff on the internet - brings a massive smile out every time. Thank you!

[@johnnybigbones4955]

I'm excited that Mira is reading First and Only. I know everyone prefers Necropolis, and that is a really great story, but First and Only was the first 40K novel I read and I love it. I knew Dan Abnett already from 2000AD. It's maybe a bit structurally weird, more like a collection of shorts linked together, but all of them are great. The Fortis Binary section is brilliant, the gangster interlude is highly entertaining as are the bits on the ship, and the finale on Menazoid Epsilon is great fun and very tense and spooky. Ghostmaker is a bit weaker than the other two, I agree, but it still has some good stories in it. All the Sabbat books by Abnett are worth reading I think.

[@RaptorShadow]

First and Only seems so underrated these days, but it's such a fantastic book.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Just reread them both, so cinematic!

[@adapax77]

I always flash to Johnathan Hyde's character in the Mummy when that happens 😆 "NO! You must not read from the book!!" Never ends well 😄

[@liamfishwick2943]

Side note; I really enjoyed the Arthurian dream bits of the Lion book.

[@satinthrone]

wheee, wonderful stuff as always! I've helped remind Gav Thorpe of one of a few memes scattered throughout the Ynnari books - Visarch: "This is fine."

[@mopanda81]

Ｅmperor's Log Tuesday 5:32 pm: Had to put Magnus on hold while I projected myself at 1000 times normal height to a gathering of humans on a world in the segmentum ultramar about to be eaten by a really big cat, he usually doesn't have anything important to say so I don't think it was much of a problem.

[@fredthemithrilogre]

I know I won't read the book, so this is excellent for me. And Mira's synopsis is fantastic!

[@Madr0xTheMultipleMan]

Mitchell Scanlon has resurfaced last year with the Warhammer crime short story Once a Killer!

[@justina8721]

Love this format and the way you play off each other.

[@TheGCRust]

I know it's a rush job, but legit the idea that Horus is given a vision of the future and there are no statues dedicated to him being the tipping point of him going to Chaos is a very Human reaction to someone who is having the Primarch equivelent of panic attacks that he's going to screw up royally. Also it's just really funny to watch newcomers reactions when you tell them that "Yeah, the Horus Heresy started because Horus beheld the future of the Imperium and saw no statues dedicated to him."

[@thegreengreenie5879]

Omg sooo excited for brutal kunnin' 😊 please attempt to get mike brooks lol Thanks so much for the book club

[@davidraynham1764]

So much love for this, keep ‘em coming

[@daniellogue8365]

I love you reviewing these books ❤️ I remember reading these while putting together my Dark Vengeance box

[@Powoga]

The Space Marines carelessly killing civilians is definitely the most interesting part for me, because even Loken, who is generally the nicest and most human Space Marine, can't wrap his head around the concept of punishing a Space Marine for breaking the law. Which seems like the sort of thing you should have figured out beforehand, but oh well, that's the Imperium for you. Anyway, looking forward to Ork book, which is actually Ork and Mechanicum book.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

With added IRON WARRIOR spice 😊

[@Nathanael2050]

I would totally follow "The Emperor's Diaries"

[@robertkb64]

Everyone with me: FUCK EREBUS!!! P.S. And we all mourn (heh) Argel Tal.

[@tremolo_painter]

Really enjoying these videos. I read the first five books, but didn't get down into these sort of themes, and it is compelling!

[@TheMag1cWalrus]

Horus giving into chaos looks rushed if you only look at the contents of this book. The first book planted the seeds that he wasn't actually okay mentally. His decline was already in motion before he got stabbed. What this book shows is the "push" Erebus and chaos give him.

[@stormneedstroopers24]

While i thought depicting fall of Horus like that was ok enough for get the entire heresy going, it could've vastly benefited from at least one book between false gods and Galaxy in flames.

[@AFnord]

What a coincidence, I just finished reading False Gods yesterday. And I agree about the dream sequence (and dream sequences in general), they're rarely that good. This one also felt like it was a bit too long for its own good. I would have preferred if some of the page count given to the dream sequence had been focused on some of the other characters instead. Still, I was pleasantly surprised by how good this book ended up being and how invested I ended up feeling in the plight of the main characters.

[@tabe8850]

36:54 Galaxy in Flames is not an action movie. You know and care about the characters by then. The personal story of the betrayed Loken and Tarvitz, and Lucious as secondary antagonist. Eisenstein is the action movie novel, that book is relentless and fun. Nonstop situations and a page turner.

[@ropable]

OMG I can't wait for you guys to read Fulgrim

[@anthonyreal1594]

In fairness, Dan Abnett has always folded in historical and classical references into his work. He wrote Scooby Doo comics that had references to obscure french texts about Gawain and the Green Knight.

[@zerominiatures4676]

Super stressed with exams, using this to wind down during my break. Bless ya'll

[@euansmith3699]

All the best with your exam results 👍

[@zerominiatures4676]

@@euansmith3699 thanks, fingers crossed

[@TheJonamir]

Hell yea! Been looking forward to this

[@RupertWalkerUK]

Loved the book and loved the review guys. Going back to see Ravenor

[@RevPirateDan]

I almost NEVER like dream sequences in anything. One notable exception would be the fever dream sequence in the classic "Dirty Work". But that's just comedy gold.

[@khorneight]

The Heresy series is where I started my Warhammer deep dive, and as a result Heresy is my chosen game. Can't wait to see you guys cover Galaxy in Flames

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Hmm, shall we guess what legion? :P

[@khorneight]

@@HistoritorJimaldus Dark Angels lol

[@larsickenroth7169]

Curious how this conversation would be around ‘A Thousand Sons’. Ahriman’s interactions with Lemuel Gaumon kind of set the standard for me when it comes to marines interacting with regular humans. And the story of the 1k sons I’ve always found pretty compelling (they’re not your regular ‘baddies’).

[@Valariot]

Another book club episode! Yes!

[@simonwhitehouse8516]

Love these videos. Mira will love the gaunts ghosts series. Without doubt my favourite BL series

[@edwilson5727]

love the idea of it as a podcast too, great stuff

[@dasmichel1268]

The way you say „Arbitor“ sounds 100% like the german word for „Worker“. Cracks me up every time! 😂

[@ArbitorIan]

Accurate

[@ithiusdomino]

I cannot wait to hear you guys talk about the ghosts series.

[@HistoritorJimaldus]

Yesssss!!

[@KSweeney36]

Did you know that reading quietly or in your head? Is only a recent concept? For the majority of human history, reading has been an oral tradition. The ancient Greeks read text aloud, so did European monks during the dark ages. As late as the 1700s, historian Robert Darnton writes, “For the common people in early modern Europe, reading was a social activity. It took place in workshops, barns, and taverns. It was almost always oral but not necessarily edifying.”

[@mduckernz]

Similarly, it’s thought that the concept of having an inner narrator and _recognising that as your own voice, generated by your own mind_ is relatively modern - and that for much of the Ancients, this was thought to be sendings from the Gods. Which honestly explains a lot tbh

[@ponge8720]

I've always had some form of pity for the Word Bearers as the sacking of Monarchia was an overreaction which basically caused the heresy.

[@captainparty]

Should it really have been a surprise to them that the Emperor would tear down a temple? He’d been doing that for hundreds of years at that point!