Arcane Dissolution & what DE won't tell you! | Warframe

[@TheKengineer]

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[@MortalTempest]

Small addition, steel path cascade is by far the best source of spare arcanes for dissolution. After an hour you'll have between 600-800 vosfar with just the steel path mod booster effect.

[@TheKengineer]

@@MortalTempest Yes, that is a Zariman SP mission as advised.

[@trvrboggs]

After turning in all my SP arcanes, I have about 500k Vosfor. Reply to my comment if you’re in need of any arcanes Tenno! 👊🏾🥷🏾

[@Avid2757]

@@trvrboggsI'm looking for a molt augmented 👉🏼👈🏼

[@JethroBarnechus]

Can I know what is your amp build my amp struggles against lvl 30 and the angel demons would really help me.

[@garrettf2960]

You can actually dissolve the ranked arcanes too. You just have to click the little “show ranked” button in the bottom right when dissolving.

[@TheKengineer]

I... feck 😂

[@Gravesyte]

I read this in my head using your voice​@@TheKengineer

[@redacted144]

@@TheKengineer typical engineer moment XD

[@Holtwizer]

Noooo! @@TheKengineer

[@GGSNP]

We should dissolve him like an arcane

[@MarkoBotsaris]

Working as intended. I don’t think this was ever intended to be a motivation to “farm” arcanes to convert. This was just supposed to be a way to convert extra, useless arcanes as an alternative to the tiresome process of selling them. And for practical purposes, and for most people, I’m sure on first pass that was 95% steel path arcanes. But I think you are right, if you are viewing this as a farming opportunity then more SP arcanes as an incidental byproduct of farming something ELSE you need is the way to go.

[@lookalike4805]

You know what.... I totally Agree. 👀

[@AxVxI]

Well, I'm sure an analogous statement could be drawn up in regard to "content creation," and the amount of "content" measured by the number of "content creators," factored in with the rates of "content creators" giving away something "virtual" to one of the people who click "like" on a piece of content," and what the "drop rates" to "like" to "how much drivel do I have to sit through" ratios are never made known by the "content creators." Come to think of it someone did do a projected rate analysis of "content creators," "rates," & "value" ratios thirteen years ago ... and it was a NINJA! Okay, now that is just synchronicity in action ... or something like it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5ykiKSviceGgJIsi=tysUL0t6m3mx8xuM

[@NorthernEclips3]

Stuff like this is exactly what warframe needs, connecting content islands while also allowing you to choose to grind in different locations to switch things up. Now you can farm steel path arcanes to reroll for arcane energizes, etc.

[@burnin8able]

it's definitely a system implemented with the intent of recycling your trash rather than a deliberate farming method. it's like being able to break duplicate mods down into endo, you don't farm endo explicitly by focus farming mod drops, that would be insane, but it is still a use for all those duplicate drops that you happen upon.

[@theneef174]

Dont u literally do that in the sedna mission against the grineer whatsits just before kela​@@burnin8able

[@lerosallyn9279]

@@burnin8ableVery true but at the very least content islands aren’t so distant from each other anymore with this kind of system

[@XiaolinDraconis]

@@burnin8able am boomer here, do we not farm endo with nekros on index for the mods to dissolve?

[@burnin8able]

@@XiaolinDraconis no, Arbitrations are the go-to endo farm.

[@Xonthos]

Finally, some solid info. Dissolution is actually very expensive, but it's pretty solid for most players.

[@theunhingedgamer3762]

I actually used it to get arcane blessing for my Dagath and I can say it's worth it somewhat and it uses any unranked arcane which is highly easy to farm since Fortuna has an easy farm for standing

[@Xonthos]

@@theunhingedgamer3762 I had just shy of 3000 Acolyte arcanes, so I used my packs to finish off the Duviri and Deimos arcanes. Years of playing Steel Path, poof, all gone in an instant. Very cool system, but for those thinking the grind was going to vanish they were very mistaken. That said, this is a great thing for the market- make the less than desirable arcanes sell for at least some flat amount, and make the rarest ones not prohibitively expensive for anyone but whales.

[@indrickboreale7381]

It's good for skipping arcane farms you don't like. Or for gambling on WF Market

[@0rphan0fKosm]

I didn't think it was all that expensive. I get a lot of arcanes from killing acolytes. I dissolved all I had when this update dropped, and now I just plan on turning them all in at the end of the week when reset happens

[@FerunaLutelou]

How you view the pricing really depends on how many arcanes you got, how many of them are maxed out, any arcane related content you ignore and how many useless arcanes you got. Someone who runs Eidolon hunts and/or hours long endurance will obviously see this differently than someone who only farms Zariman arcanes every once in a while simply because one will have way more unsellable garbage arcanes than the other.

[@dracojester2971]

Something else to keep in mind is that drop rates for arcanes from zariman enemies are affected by mod drop chance boosters (not resource drop chance boosters)

[@coldfries8976]

Circuit blessed me with one this week! Lucky me

[@lookalike4805]

I'm pretty sure he mentioned this twice in the video. 👀

[@Houndfluff]

he did he did, but its still not that common of knowledge, Random mod boosters matter for this farm and SP gives it too

[@dracojester2971]

@@lookalike4805 idk how i missed that 🗿

[@SmoothTurtle840]

Steel Path Void Cascade with a mod drop chance booster has granted me like almost 1 arcane per minute on average, it’s insane. Only problem is finding people who don’t suck at the mode lol

[@Kannibole]

Zariman and general steel path runs are a very good suggestion since the zariman arcanes are just strong and useful and the acolyte ones you just have maxed out in no time, so its really good if youre looking to max out random arcanes for collection

[@dankmemes8254]

Also arcana bounty in deimos since all theroium arcanes are gold rarerity 20 vosfor per arcane

[@osheroth]

Zariman missions bug out 50% of the time, it's not worth it

[@Mallchad]

​@@osherothZaramin has been the least buggy island for me by far, what kind of bugs are you getting?

[@singletona082]

The odds aren't that great, but it's something I can do while doing other things. That it is an option is always a net good and that eidolons are still there is good. Thank you for the video Ken. always good to see more content out of you.

[@Matuse]

If you've spent much time at all doing Eidolons, then you are probably absolutely swimming in sentient cores. Max out your Quills rep every day and use those to immediately buy out either Magus Vigor or Vituos Null. It's 3 minutes to pick up a dozen meltable arcanes with mats you otherwise have no use for, and probably in staggering quantities. I've barely done Eidolon hunting and I have hundreds of each core.

[@avikarpik]

There's one more angle here. Some of us sat on hundreds of arcanes they don't need and can't be bothered selling either. I have more expensive prime sets to sell and I'm too lazy to even do that. The biggest arcane pile will be acolyte arcanes, but I have abundance of Zariman ones as well, and some Eidolon ones from old days. I'm not gonna farm anything, but I have a plan to round up my arcanes and finally complete each one to max level and melt everything else. The new functionality is perfect for this purpose and usecase, I swap stuff I don't need for stuff that might complete my sets, just so I can claim I've maxed out all arcanes heh.

[@rowankeltizar5961]

Warframe market is relatively painless. No need for trade chat

[@ShugoAWay]

Yeah also some there's no way I will give em away at the circlejerk prices the scam spammers are forcing the price to and would rather take the chance with vosfor

[@harukun3651]

Small tip use lua thrax to buy arcane blessing sell it for plat and buy roughly twice as much primary dexterity arcanes.

[@cjp306]

Hi, quick question, where do i go to buy tge arcane blessing?

[@mikocheru]

@@cjp306zariman, with Yonta

[@jexelbur6872]

I clicked faster than Volt and Gauss can activate their speed boost. I think dissolution is a good edition: one part farming, one part gamble, but you always benefit.

[@DawnAfternoon]

Its absolutely a system you should not actively grind towards, but this seriously adds value to all arcanes that you may or may no longer need. Nothing is wasted even the hundreds of SP arcanes everyone has

[@milinko4468]

Well the thing is it fits into what you are already grinding for and a solution when doing tridolons or zariman cascade with all the useless arcanes the just make clutter. I myself have done so many 2 or 3 hour survival runs in steel path that I have a ridiculous amount of weapon arcanes that no one buys because they also already have a set​@@DawnAfternoon

[@taylorgarrett793]

it also allows ya to farm for arcanes in other ways, ie if ya hate doing trilidion hunts etc

[@kazumablackwing4270]

​@@taylorgarrett793that's true.. there's also the clan event going on for the next month for eidolon arcanes as well, so if you don't feel like gambling and have an extra couple of hours a day to kill, you can get max rank arcanes pretty quickly that way. In my experience, Effervo with a pub squad on SP takes about 7-10 mins to run at a casual pace, as long as at least two people know what they're doing

[@sergeychistov8162]

But it is faster than launching yourself with Penta? 😂

[@oriondezagrats4228]

@TheKengineer I was too foolish to put down exact numbers, but the day this update came out, I pulled 48 Eidolon Arcane packs, and I can tell you that I got like 3-4 of *each of the Legendary Arcanes.* 4 Arcane Barrier, 4 Arcane Grace, 3 Arcane Energize. 11 Legendaries total. That was about *one in four pulls.* 144 arcanes, 11 of which were Legendary. 7.6%. For comparison's sake, capturing a Hydrolyst has a cumulative 15% chance for a Legendary.

[@donovandelozier7156]

Also worth noting 48 isn't that big of a sample size all things considered.

[@sunnydlite-t8b]

Isnt that the point? Access to arcanes from eidolons without actually doing them?

[@karlwittenburg5868]

Considering the setup needed in order to even be able to do a hydrolyst, let alone doing one comfortably, and then that having access to them AT ALL is only 1/3 of the time, it’s pretty easy to see why this has tanked the price of Arcane Energize

[@TheStf99]

I had something like 200 of each acolyte arcane when the update dropped. Doing all my playing on SP turned out to be more beneficial than the singular eidolon grind which is timegated. SP farming isn't. Got soo many arcanes finally maxed, we may not know the drop tables but its been a great addition for someone like me and hopefully most of the playerbase.

[@ewg5511]

Currently stockpiling Vosfor via new event for when Netracell-exclusive arcanes will become available through packs. Because we either will see a better way of obtaining them in "Echoes of Whispers", or won't see one for like next 5 years.

[@marverickmercer1968]

Melee arcane is ridiculously easy to farm with the current Operation. You can farm them with Mocking/Scathing Whisper which guaranteed to appear in a level the same way Void Angel is guaranteed to appear on Zariman mission.

[@tomrhodes8971]

@@marverickmercer1968 thats true for all of the melee arcanes except for the two legendary arcanes which are netracell exclusive

[@Joe90h]

Honestly, I'm just considering any legendary melee arcanes I get in the meantime as free platinum, not a step towards a personal r5. Melee Duplicate is no doubt powerful but more niche than it first appears, and Melee Crescendo really only comes into its own in longer missions with a lot of setup and a lot of its value rests on DE never making good on their desire to do away with stat sticks.

[@tomrhodes8971]

@@Joe90h yeah that’s fair unless there’s big changes in the echoes update those two arcanes are just free plat atm

[@ewg5511]

@@Joe90h I actually only want melee crescendo just so I can free up mod space on melees that I use corrupt charge on, 30 combo shoulnd't be an issue to stack with the lastest ground finisher buff, although anything lower than r2 will take just a little too long for my taste. Selling them for plat now is probably a good Idea, as they'll inevitably become cheaper in the future, so you can buy them back at a lower price and pocket the difference, however it's concerning that they're already cheaper than energize was before the update.

[@oddctioum]

IMPORTANT: there is an Event at the moment, Gargoyles Cry. if you do an assassination mission in sanctum anatomica the boss gives you 1 arcane and an angel spawns there too. if you find the tomb and defeat the whisper from the tome you get 3 arcanes in one 8 minute run on average. angel gives holdout arcanes and the whisper and the boss give sanctum arcanes. and the event gives you event credit to buy eidolon arcanes too at the gargoyle. its only for 30 days.

[@sergeychistov8162]

Good news to me! I'm returning from my vacation at that time.

[@oddctioum]

@@sergeychistov8162 what are you doing here commenting? enjoy your vacation. the event might be time limited but the assassination in Effervo will stay, giving you 3 arcanes each run, you just get event credit to buy eidolon arcanes with gargoyles cry thats all.

[@sergeychistov8162]

@@oddctioum oh! I thought this comes all together. Now I feel better about this. Happy holidays!

[@oddctioum]

@@sergeychistov8162 merry christmas and happy Holidays

[@ronzology]

i returned with like a couple days left of the event sadly. i saw the arcane energize in there and went "there goes my only chance of getting energize..." i didn't feel like spamming that fight 10 million times cuz i wouldn't have enough time already, and had so much to do from returning after years.

[@VamproxMyriad]

7:24 whelp. Sounds like DE forgot why they started posting the tables in the first place

[@lgender7367]

steelpath cascade with an efficient team can earn some of the FASTEST arcanes in the game. as long as youre ok with going against level 3000 enemies, you should be doing this strat!

[@chettonex]

Not worth your plat/time. Earning arcanes to recycle them to get random arcanes is possibly one of the worst methods to earn platinum. Yup, im talking about platinum, because plat = arcanes. Best method right now is farming the gargoyle event. PERIOD.

[@revo4382]

@@chettonexu mean the new quest event?

[@gabriellevac]

Omnia cascade steelpath is indeed insane. You don't need to get to 3000 tho. Got 52 arcanes in about 1 hour (luckiest run so far). That's 12 acolyte arcanes minimum and then RNG on the thrax drops which can be helped by boosters. And you can kill so many thrax. On top of that, you aren't wasting any actual time because you are also cracking relics.

[@AndrewChicken]

The really nice thing about this new system is that it's a great way to get rid of all those useless steel path arcanes (merciless, dexterity, deadhead) that just pile up after a long time of doing Steel Path. I converted ALL of my spares into Eidolon packs, and got 3x energize and 2x grace! Considering they were just taking up space in my inventory previously, that's an incredible deal!

[@slain09]

This is the exact video I was looking/waiting for and somehow I knew that the only person who would make it was you

[@bobdickens5938]

Well.....from all the fosfar that I got from dissolving arcanes dropped from acolytes over the years, I max ranked arcane energize from it. Never thought i would get a max rank energize.

[@jjcameron0096]

Same all my gun arcanes have a use

[@page8301]

I am close to it by farming the event boss atm. Dissolution was a bust for me so far, nothing really wanted from it but at least those Primary X and Secondary Y from Acolytes that have been flooding my Arcanes for a while had a somewhat useful use.

[@bobdickens5938]

@@page8301 The farm never ends.

[@page8301]

@@bobdickens5938 Do we even want the farm to end? :o)

[@TheDrycore]

Thanks for your work as always, I just cleared the quest of new(old?) Loid and got 5.5k vosfor just with Acolytes duplicates, so I tried 4 rolls on the eidolon pack, got an arcane Bless at 1st, then 2 energize at 4th pulls. I don't know if it's just luck, but I think for now, rates are approximately the same for each tier of arcanes

[@IRMentat]

As someone who was bored of tridolon within 2-3 runs this was an absolute win, in finally have a use for all The steel path and random bounty rewards I have been ignoring.

[@spappliespapple4628]

Yeah, i tolerate eidolons but i Just cant stand waiting for them "oh im feeling like doing a 3x3 todayyy... Never mind its day for the next 2 hours... At least now i can use the useless parkour speed arcanes to get something

[@1manApocalypse_CP]

Thanks to this i finally maxed almost all the arbitrations arcanes, since i already had the most important eidolon ones from Scarlet Spear and Orphix Venom, now i just need to work on duviri and pick up a few stragglers from various other sources.

[@pyrogundam117]

Weird that they’re not publicly showing the drop tables since Duviri. Wondering if they’re hiding it so people won’t complain about the drop rates, oh wait they do already lol

[@SonicCam04]

As someone who is a completionist with warframe, although not the most successful with the rate of meaty updates, this new system is a godsend and i wish i had known it was going to happen before converting all my duplicates into a paltry amount of endo. I loathe doing eidolon hunts but it's content im considering more and more every day. and this system makes me feel alot more open to doing it since my junk rewards are just more opportunities for a reroll.

[@Glitch0Angel]

The main thing is players who previously couldn't think of trying arcanes can now actually try them now! Finally can finish some of my builds after years

[@1whospeaks]

I have 1 arcane. Yup, I'll come back to this vid in 12 years thanks bro.

[@ultimatealien1001]

Ngl compared to other low quality Warframe videos with not even close to good explanations and sticking to the topic at hand. You earned a subscriber with this video fr 🫡 Hope to see more from you my g 💯🔥

[@aliciacarr9014]

I’d be interested to hear how Vosfor having been added to the syndicates has affected this.

[@TKVirusman]

Anyone watching in 2024 and beyond, just spend Faction Standing on 200 vosfor packs. Now you can grind literally anything you want and just spend your Faction Standing for Arcanes. You're welcome.

[@louissmedley9416]

“Purchasing a pack will randomly reward 3 unranked Arcanes from their list. The possibility of a certain Arcane being selected is based on its rarity and respective drop rates through gameplay means. We want to maintain the integrity of its original acquisition methods in this new alternate way to access them.” That’s on the wiki page for arcane dissolution, doesn’t this mean their drop rates are the same as in game missions? So energise is 5% from an eidolon so surely if there statement is correct it’s 5% from the pack too

[@kgmotte2363]

You know, you don't need to Break down the Arcanes before you dissolve them, you can just click the "Show Ranked" box at the bottom Right that lets you Dissolve Ranked ones, it also has the neat side effect of letting you sort by name so you know which ones you've got maxed out right next to your Unranked ones so you know it's OK to Dissolve the smaller ones or not. (Funny thing is, the button is on Screen while TheKengineer is Saying that you can only Dissolve Unranked ones)

[@kovanova9409]

It does feel genuinely solid on the drop rate. Regardless just farm for good drops dissolve and reroll for better arcanes

[@poestis474]

I did this because I hated farming Mirror Defense for those Deimos Arcanes a few weeks ago and for some Arbitration Arcane's that never seemed to drop for me. LOVE this system!

[@HalfACent2]

In murmur assasinations the arcanes are guaranteed when you kill the boss, they just get glitched and spawn like 10-15 meters in the air when the boss dies during some animations.

[@TheKengineer]

I've gone by the DE official drop tables which show 50%, not 100%

[@thehunter-od1zt]

I mean I get them 100% of the time from the book boss and the assassination and I have done probably like 50 to 60 runs so far. the only time i missed some is when the update came out and they were getting stuck in the walls. @@TheKengineer

[@iitzDoom]

dissolution is certainly useful but for some of the more rare arcanes like energize just farm the clan event for the next month

[@KorpsyKloun]

Ehh I had a maxed energize day 1 of dissolution. I had none starting just a ton of acolyte arcanes

[@iitzDoom]

most people wont share your experience in that more than likely, clan event is a guaranteed way of getting maxed energize rather than just hoping to get lucky or brute force dissolution@@KorpsyKloun

[@KorpsyKloun]

@@iitzDoom i probably can see that being true. I saved the useless arcanes and stockpiled 1000s.

[@emcmanamna]

Thank you for another year of solving practical problems! :)

[@InsertSomethingStupid2002]

For zariman missions what about void cascade with a mod drop booster? I figured if you were going to farm arcanes on there that would be the most profitable option.

[@AndyRum]

With a good group void cascade on steel path ~40 arcanes/hr

[@Glamador]

I dissolved every single acolyte arcane i had and rolled around 20 packs. Got two energize, two grace, two guardian, and a longbow sharpshot, plus some golds I didn't have. I don't run eidolons at all so, frankly, I'm over the moon.

[@TheTundraTerror]

Personally, I just melted down the massive pile of Acolyte Arcanes and other useless spares, got my Secondary Outburst, and I'm happy. Really, I think that's how the system is meant to work: getting rid of Arcanes that have literally zero value. and getting some of what you want.

[@mas8705]

Was definitely waiting for a video like this to pop up to talk about where to farm up arcanes if we were feeling like spending money towards getting arcanes. Mind you, I don' know if the recent event would be seen as the better option at the moment, but I do feel like I want to try and go a bit ham on this to see if I can speed up the farming just a bit (that and you can never go wrong with expanding your collection). The only concern now will be to see if we see those drop rates soon if that will be kept on the down low. Going to be a particularly busy Christmas season for some players to try and get the most they can out of these next few weeks.

[@qloshae]

I really feel like they need to up the loot on Railjack missions since they're usually longer and more involved.

[@muscifede]

can you revisit this? has this data been mined? what should I do why my extra vosfors?

[@haotatyan]

Extra? Like vosfor amounts under 200?

[@muscifede]

@haotatyan EDA vosfor, 40K or so

[@haotatyan]

@muscifede but arcane packs which you need or eidolon packs to sell

[@atlas1227]

I like getting duviri arcanes from him, especially with the gargoyle event going on that allows you to buy all the eidolon arcanes and although it may not be as efficient as some other methods I like doing long steel path relic runs

[@ThunderingRoar]

What about the latest Effervo speed runs? 1 guaranteed melee arcane, 1 possible angel arcane and another one if you find the book boss and you get the grotesque corrency to actually target buy the one you need. You can finish a run in 6-7mins so it should be giga worth it

[@TheRealPentigan]

Do Acolytes spawn in Effervo Steel Path? If so that's another arcane possibility.

[@cataposs]

​@@TheRealPentiganThey do not. Acolytes cannot spawn in Archwing or Assassination missions, and Effervo is in the Assassination category.

[@jaams8202]

You can also do Void Cascade mission type on the zaramin for a pretty solid chance at arcanes because of the amount of thrax that come... also affected by mod drop chance booster but they are also very ez to kill in groups.. I was able to get about 25 arcanes in 1 hour and that was without a booster. Each arcane sell for 22 each and if u get lucky or bring a booster you could possibly get 10 packs an hour.

[@jofipa9953]

Isnt the best random arcane farm SP void cascade with a mod drop chance booster? I remember farming a full set of all the molt mods in 5 or 6h

[@snakeman830]

Finally! A use for all of the sentient cores I've been collecting in archon hunts!

[@spappliespapple4628]

Yes, Yes, Yes, i can finally use up the 2k cores i have

[@dlxmarks]

I just calculated that if I convert all my intact cores to exceptional ones, my total collection will yield about 21k vosfor. It'll take nearly 5 months to do it due to daily standing cap though.

[@Reliccontent]

8:18 the reason they’re not dropping the drop rate is because I got 4 arcane energize from like four packs they’re still tinkering with them you can get some very good drops. I was able to upgrade my arcanes guardian by arcane ultimatum, my arcane agries, my arcane victory just because I had a bunch of unwanted arcanes at the time, and I started farming some arcanes and got even more from the situation. The drop rate I can confirm our very good I have spent over 5000 Vosper it’s worth your time they’re not releasing it because they’re still messing with it because the drop rates are ridiculous right now but they’re probably gonna Nerf it later so use it while it’s available

[@AyVaZzZ4o0]

Hey @TheKengineer a very high possibility for those drop tables to be not released yet is very reasonable I personally think Digital Extremes is performing a background Analytics Survey based on player behavior Data meaning they are weighing the player behavior based on real world usage and decision making resulting in often tweaks to the drop tables until a certain % of very-high play-rate player-base gets the loot in their accounts they won't stop making tweaks to the drop tables until players feel it's worth putting farming efforts into those specific grinds!! Basically they are not the devil they just want to make it (not completely hopeless to acquire) unlike some things in this game that are still half platinum only acquired efficiently!!!

[@ExzoSSG]

This is probably the most informative video out there at the moment.

[@Wing0fSilver]

I have done some number crunching by collecting info from Reddit users. I've compiled about a thousand packs worth of Eidolon Arcanes and the drop chance for the legendary ones seems to trend between 1.8% and 2% per pull with 3 pulls per pack with them all seemingly the same drop chance. That's about a 5% chance per pack to get the one you want.

[@RedVanquish]

Honestly, right now, I would focus on farming Gargoyle's Cry out to get Arcane Energize while we still have a chance to. I'd rather do three and a half runs of assassinate per one arcane than hit the lottery, waste 30+ arcanes to hopefully get Loid to drop *ONE* of them.

[@lookalike4805]

Either way... The Prices will Drop and that's when Il Pounce. 😈

[@SumoneAverage]

warframe is so amazing, so many mission types if you don’t like some then you almost never have to even play/touch it cause plat (free to trade) and now arcanes being easier/cheaper, super nice to be able to just stick to the game mode/mission types you love

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Love your videos, Ken! Thanks for the guide!

[@bayuf995]

Before the update rolls out, i bought a TON (about 630p worth) of primary/ secondary deadhead, merciless, and dexterity because DE announce that this feature is gonna come out. Upon update, i dissolve all those arcanes and bought 144 packs of eidolon arcane packs and only got 9 arcane energize. With the addition of gargoyle's cry + this arcane gambling, i would say its cheaper buying them normally from wfm rather than dissolving arcanes (unless youre a lucky boi then gamble away). ps: by the time im commenting this, arcane energize is worth 30-40p each, meaning if i were to buy it normally i would only need 360p to get 9 of them. Kinda sad i lost some value there but im happy seeing those arcane energize hoarders cries and saying DE RUIN the market prices etc. 😂😂😂

[@snipeyounoobzyee2662]

I have a simple solution just don’t farm these arcane packs as de will most likely reduce the cost from 200 to 100 after they realize how bad the grind is

[@TikkaQrow]

Just spent a few days grinding SP Effero and just made my own r5 energize On top of the current event, sp Effero drops 1-3 arcanes per run if you take angel and hunt whisper and they dissolve nicely. It's nice because there isn't a gimmick. Just whack the enemies with big gun.

[@Avoncarstien]

yeah....this came out and I ended up with like 8k vosfor or the like from dumping my extra acolyte arcanes...you just end up with so dang many of the things... glad they gave us something to do with 'em 🙂

[@TDogsYard]

Well an initial thought here is that the value of old news R5 arcane like acolyte drops will go up because some players stocks will likely be getting dissolved. I use to occasionally sell a R5 primary deadhead for 15 plat cause I had no use for the 100+ saved. Over time should be able to make sales go up two to three times on a low end of 15p. Some passive platinum income for older players if a new player base grows.

[@Soapromancer]

Finally, a use for my thousands of residual and theorem arcanes

[@alisterwh]

What do we understand as a pack of arcanes? A pack of several arcanes of the same type so we can max up a single arcane? Or one arcane of each type for a given family of arcanes?

[@page8301]

It is funny to me watching TheKEngineer playing Lavos , while also remembering him talking about why he likes Lavos so much, when KnightmareFrame has released a "tier list" today where he ranks Lavos near the bottom, just one spot above Inaros with the comment that Lavos is "useless". Always funny to see these highly subjective "tier lists" and then seeing other KZbinrs opinion drastically differing. As to the video, highly informative and unlike many other Warframe KZbinrs very objective which is why I like this channel the most of all Waframe KZbinrs.

[@vxvii9069]

That’s because KMF does nothing but run meta slavery and Lavos can’t use energy to shield conversion for shield gating. He’s a solid frame for normal content but that doesn’t generate clicks like RED CRIT IMMORTAL DAMAGE CAP BUILD LEVEL 5000+. Level cap isn’t even hard, just use an invisible frame of choice or Revenant or bring some friends to reduce aggro. Pig easy 🙄

[@page8301]

@@vxvii9069I like Lavos too, because he is not as brain dead as a frame like Revenant who makes the game a joke. They should have nerfed his Mesmer Skin hard a long time ago.

[@vxvii9069]

@@page8301 100% true. Lavos is fine for most things and he’s meta for Railjack. Hardly a bad frame. Rev and invisibility need to be nerfed as they trivialise self defence entirely but I don’t see it happening any time soon. He’s Wukong 2.0 at this point.

[@page8301]

@@vxvii9069And Wukong is still pretty busted thanks to Cloudwalker.

[@vxvii9069]

@@page8301 he doesn’t have the absurd scaling that’s all. Different people have different perceptions of OP. At present I think invisibility is the worst BUT a lot would disagree. It’s literally only my opinion and many would disagree but it makes high level content a waste of time when there’s almost zero risk of death

[@clarkmeyer7211]

Well if you were to use various standings for arcanes then toy could formulaicly have a run for standing that would give you a pack a day. You're limited in standing per faction each day but if you maxed your standing and bought arcanes from each faction then you could possibly get enough vosphor for a pack a day

[@DeathRabbit]

For those like me that have extra standing to spend: Onkko: Magus Vigor, Virtuos Null Cavalero: Cascadia Accuracy, Emergence Savior, Eternal Eradicate, Fractalized Reset, Molt Vigor Bird 3: Melee Fortification/Retaliation Little Duck: Magus Destruct, any 5k bronze/7.5k silver/10k gold Hok: Any gold Rude Zuud: Any

[@monkaeyes]

I dont think this is anything worth farming as such. Do your regular farms for whatever you desire, dispose of your crap. Thats the system really.

[@kragglewulf4105]

Question, why when I do Alien robo kills on Orphix and the % doesnt go down killing them? Makes this impossible to farm solo.

[@majesticbbqsauce727]

Edit: double checked the drop tables, it definitely says 50%, so this feels quite off. The Drop rates seem a bit off for albrecht? Ever since they patched the arcanes being stuck in the air bug, i've played 30 missions and not gotten an arcane from the whisper once. To counterbalance, i've also got roughly 4 arcanes from the void angels in the same missions.

[@sealfighter97]

here are my finds from 105 Duviri Packs : 45,4% Common arcanes 48,2% Uncommon 6,2% Rare arcanes The result is not exactly 100 due to rounding errors. Common: Arcane Intention 73 (23,2) Arcane agress 70 (22,2%) Uncommon: Arcane Power ramp 19 (6%) arcane akimbo slipshot 24 (7,6%) arcane blight 31 (9,8%) arcane Outburst 23 (7,3%) Arcane Shotgun Vendetta15 (4,8%) Primary Exhilarate 19 (6%) Primary Obstruct 21 (6,7%) secondary shiver 9 (2,8%) Rare: Longbow presicon 6 (1,9%) Arcane Reaper 5 (1,6%)

[@TheKengineer]

Thank you for sharing. Am I to assume the missing Secondary Shiver would be 9 items?

[@sealfighter97]

@@TheKengineer yes, I skiped it accitdently. I corrected the comment. the last one is shiver with 9 drops.

[@defalt30]

Just got 5 energizes from a ten pack..My plat couldn't be happier

[@Reelix]

It seems that both you and Leyzar are now using the Torid Incarnon. Did one of you copy the other, did you find it from a different source, or discover it yourself?

[@4564568b]

I dissolved all my acolytes arcanes and bought 42 Duviri pack. It feels so good to change those extra arcanes into something actually I actually want, even if just for my collecting addiction. Sadly Tyana Pass arcanes are not one of the packs, but I will have to farm 2 Citrine anyway plus they can be traded, so I will get them eventually. (I did the same with Voruna... It took me so long to farm it all :( ) Edit: as someone pointed out, Tyana Pass arcanes are included in Necralist pack. It's not worth it for me, but it's something.

[@lookalike4805]

The Tyana Pass Arcanes were thrown into the Necealisk Arcane Pack since Otak sells them... Just like the Lua Conjunction Arcanes were Thrown into The Zariman Pack because Yonta Sells them. The only Arcanes with no Packs are the Melee Arcanes and Plague Star Arcanes. 👀

[@4564568b]

@@lookalike4805 I completely missed those tbh, so thanks for the information. On the other hand, outside of Duviri and the new ones, I'd already farm every single one of the arcanes other then one from Tyana Pass, so it's probably not worth for me 😔

[@quangtuantran7181]

A r5 acolyte arcane now can sell for 30-50plat on market, but heres the thing, why not just sell it and buy a r0 arcane......... With the drop in prices, even energize is like 30-40 per r0, why gamble with the packs......

[@itsyaboisoma]

This overwhelmed me omg I can’t. I just want an effective arcane farm 😭

[@karlwittenburg5868]

Got an arcane energize after only buying like 5 packs. Gonna go do my little happy dance and then cry that my luck and RNG blessing has been fully consumed by this gain

[@pookienumnums]

I sold my arcane energize the day they mentioned the dissolution mechanic. Sold that hoe for 2500. Just waiting for it to drop to around 300 to 500 (OR LESS) to rebuy it. LMAO. I am not a trade goblin but i feel like i made a good call on this one.

[@sparksthereaper8749]

I bought 109 packs from Arcane Dissolution, I did 10 packs at a time, and every 10 packs I'd get 1 or 2 legendary Arcanes... I managed from r0 to get Energize, Barrier, and Grace around r2 each with an odd arcane or two unable to hit r3, with Arcane Grace though, it was the one to appear for me more often reaching r4 after 109 packs opened. I'd say fro drop rates: Common = 50-60% Uncommon = 25-30% Rare = 15-20% Legendary = 10-15% These are speculation based on the amount of packs I have purchased, at times I would get 3 Legendaries per 10 packs so drop rates are threading a fine line of vagueness

[@raphael122]

I farmed a max rank energize on the Scarlet Spear event and since then ammassed ~16 energize from doing some Eidolons and from Nightwave, I always thought that I should sell them but was too lazy, and now I can only cry because I lost what could have been 1600-2000 platinum for what is now only a couple hundreds

[@MultiKombo]

How about the gargoyle's cry event? Did you do the math for grinding vosfer through the event?

[@DeadCow04]

Do void cascade, I did a 30 minute run with a full squad on sp and I got 30 arcanes

[@Voldrim359]

Shall we take also on note with the gargoyle event going right now that you will have this new resource to buy stuff and minimal that you can get is 1 and goes up to 5 on Steel path? and you can basically get a max of 3 arcanes per run of assasination giving you kill the shadow, angel of zariman and the fragmented one

[@procrastinathor4594]

Great video, I especially like the math at the begging of the video ❤

[@melanclock]

Another clear and informative video. Thanks

[@lunar180]

Hello I’m from the future, so an update called Jade Shadows will drop. And with that update a new game mode called Accession will release. In this game mode, you can summon a boss called Sister of Parvos. Upon killing this boss you are guaranteed an arcane drop. Use this mission to get you arcanes. Good luck on the gambling.

[@freedomfries9719]

what are the thoughts on running the new gargoyles cry event for arcanes? with a possible 3 arcanes per mission not including the fragments gotten for the event vendor

[@heejinsmole]

yep just found 2 Arcane Energize. just dissolved some Primary and Secondary arcanes

[@dantedevon3978]

I've actually not yet failed to get an arcane from the whisper unless I didn't pick it up. Are they affected by drop chance of some sort, because I do have boosters on.

[@SteelxWolf]

I wouldn’t say they’re any negatives. Dissolution is definitely there for people who have hundreds of junk arcanes from eidolon hunting and steel path farming

[@danser_theplayer01]

So you can fish for syndicate rep, buy arcanes, dissolve them, roll for better arcanes? That is if you hate doing open world missions like me, especially Cetus.

[@krzysztofodakowski4643]

People can also buy arcanes from Onkko as extra source of vosfor. There are some ways to get eidolon cores so it doesn't have to be eidolon hunt, but hunters probably have so many they would never run out of them. However, they are not very valuable. On L3 rank my standing limit is 32500. For this I can buy 13 cheapest arcanes, 12 vosfor each. 156 vosfor per day. I Just did that one time, I haven't check yet how much most expensive arcanes are Worth, so I don't know if it is better to buy 3 arcanes for 30k.

[@krzysztofodakowski4643]

I had to rewatch vid to make sure it wasn't mentioned, but it was actually. You did that so fast i haven't notice

[@fasihzubair481]

Would you say mobile defense is better than exterminate for farming because it has guaranteed thrax spawns?

[@marverickmercer1968]

Void cascade is better since you have guaranteed 4 Thrax spawn per rotation.

[@fasihzubair481]

@@marverickmercer1968 Yeah but mobile defence can spawn 12 in 1 mission so even if you take the same amount of time to finish MD as you would in 2 void cascade rotations, you get more in mobile defence (6). Also, you have void angels spawn in every time to restart the mission, which you probably don't want to do on cascade.

[@lookalike4805]

They all have Guaranteed Spawns... Except Armageddon.

[@fasihzubair481]

@@lookalike4805 Thrax enemies, not void angels

[@lookalike4805]

@fasihzubair481 I never said anything about Void Angels. 😳

[@Nekufan1000000]

I found this all last night, dissolved like 10 max ranked Primary/Secondary arcanes I had dupes of, along with some of the lesser valued arcanes, and got like 90~ packs of the Eidolon ones. NOT A SINGLE ENERGIZE. 90 packs, not one Energize. Two barriers, three Aegis, a lot of Arachne, a couple of Guardian and Grace, no Energize. It definitely feels like DE knows that's the one most players want.

[@lookalike4805]

Energize actually drops more often when you already have a Complete Set. 😎

[@iamzer0938]

So just some correction to information (may be a misunderstanding on my part or a typo) but in the new assassination mission, arcanes are guaranteed from the whisper and fragmented boss. Since doing it, I’ve gotten 2 every mission and that’s in a normal mission. I get that they’re “valuable” however…I would encourage no one to buy these arcanes for plat because they are so easy to get. Even the gargoyle mission if you find the whisper boss and if the angel drops 1 arcane that’s 3 per mission and if your team is optimal with 7 min runs that is roughly 25-26 arcanes an hour which is 500-600 vosfer

[@KoeiNL]

Literally all my Vosfor comes from SP arcanes. You get that stuff doing normal stuff and then its a nice bonus. Doesn't seem its worth it to just focus on Vosfor farming.

[@synque7296]

i only got 18 energizes from 400 eidolon packs and thats slightly less than the graces and barriers. *by my calculations* you would hardly break even if you were to buy acolyte arcanes to dissolve them to sell the eidolon ones, since acolyte arcanes have doubled in price and eidolon arcanes have plummeted because of the event. A better investment may be operator arcanes

[@Dac85]

Hey Kengineer, do you have any data on the "enemies take % more damage while afflicted with X status' shards? Specifically, are the different types added together, or do they multiply? Ex if you have enemies take 30% more damage from abilities while procced with radiation and 30% more damage from abilities while procced with corrosive, if you got both on an enemy, would the enemy take 60% more damage (1 x (1 + 0.3 + 0.3)) or would they take 69% more damage (1 x ((1 + 0.3) x (1 + 0.3)))?

[@Malurth]

I haven't tested this myself, but it would stand to reason that Ability Damage is a new multiplier that is additive with itself, so it should be 60% in that scenario.

[@16bitmetal9]

I wish there was an option that would allow me to lock specific max rank arcanes so they don't appear on my screen when selling, I personally like to keep a max rank of each, they need to have that in the game. Too often you are looking for the arcane and realize later you have 3 copies of the same. Yes I realize you can filter by max rank arcane and by name,ect... but sometimes you have duplicates or just want to get rid of ones that you know will never be useful for arcane dissolution for example.

[@FaintAffiliate]

In short they are aware the community is good at math so don't give them the numbers 🙄. As always appreciate all the work you've gone to bud so thumbs up for this video. Will just treat this as a way to mix and match content for vosfor to stem singular content boredom.

[@0DeathTheKid15]

I would have a question about Lua. Do the Trax enemys in Lua drop Arcanes? I get sometimes some from Zariman Trax but there are allways just around 2 or 3 in one mission.

[@lookalike4805]

If they do then it should be written in the Codex. 🤔