Arcane Dissolution & what DE won't tell you! | Warframe

Find out how you can dissolve unwanted arcanes into more practical options, farm Vosfor in various ways and for how much, and what DE is hiding from the playerbase.
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0:00 Intro
0:24 Basics
0:51 Vosfor & Arcane sources
1:35 Standing vendors
1:46 Onkko
1:53 Cavalero
1:58 Bird 3
2:03 Little Duck, Hok, and Rude Zuud
2:15 Limits of standing
2:31 Currency vendors
2:36 Acrithis/Duviri
2:54 Otak/Mirror Defense
3:21 Archimedean Yonta/Conjunction Survival
Mission sources
3:43 Acolytes
4:03 Arbitrations
4:41 Isolation Vaults
5:01 Zariman missions
5:31 Albrecht's Lab
6:00 Eidolons
6:47 Orphix
Vosfor value
7:24 DE's secrets
8:23 Estimated values
9:47 General advice and market implications
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[@TheKengineer]

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[@MortalMerc]

Small addition, steel path cascade is by far the best source of spare arcanes for dissolution. After an hour you'll have between 600-800 vosfar with just the steel path mod booster effect.

[@TheKengineer]

@@MortalMerc Yes, that is a Zariman SP mission as advised.

[@trvrboggs]

After turning in all my SP arcanes, I have about 500k Vosfor. Reply to my comment if you’re in need of any arcanes Tenno! 👊🏾🥷🏾

[@Avid2757]

@@trvrboggsI'm looking for a molt augmented 👉🏼👈🏼

[@JethroBarnechus]

Can I know what is your amp build my amp struggles against lvl 30 and the angel demons would really help me.

[@garrettf2960]

You can actually dissolve the ranked arcanes too. You just have to click the little “show ranked” button in the bottom right when dissolving.

[@TheKengineer]

I... feck 😂

[@Gravesyte]

I read this in my head using your voice​@@TheKengineer

[@redacted144]

@@TheKengineer typical engineer moment XD

[@Holtwizer]

Noooo! @@TheKengineer

[@ZingiberSnaps]

We should dissolve him like an arcane

[@markmillonas1896]

Working as intended. I don’t think this was ever intended to be a motivation to “farm” arcanes to convert. This was just supposed to be a way to convert extra, useless arcanes as an alternative to the tiresome process of selling them. And for practical purposes, and for most people, I’m sure on first pass that was 95% steel path arcanes. But I think you are right, if you are viewing this as a farming opportunity then more SP arcanes as an incidental byproduct of farming something ELSE you need is the way to go.

[@lookalike4805]

You know what.... I totally Agree. 👀

[@AxVxI]

Well, I'm sure an analogous statement could be drawn up in regard to "content creation," and the amount of "content" measured by the number of "content creators," factored in with the rates of "content creators" giving away something "virtual" to one of the people who click "like" on a piece of content," and what the "drop rates" to "like" to "how much drivel do I have to sit through" ratios are never made known by the "content creators." Come to think of it someone did do a projected rate analysis of "content creators," "rates," & "value" ratios thirteen years ago ... and it was a NINJA! Okay, now that is just synchronicity in action ... or something like it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5ykiKSviceGgJIsi=tysUL0t6m3mx8xuM

[@NorthernEclips3]

Stuff like this is exactly what warframe needs, connecting content islands while also allowing you to choose to grind in different locations to switch things up. Now you can farm steel path arcanes to reroll for arcane energizes, etc.

[@burnin8able]

it's definitely a system implemented with the intent of recycling your trash rather than a deliberate farming method. it's like being able to break duplicate mods down into endo, you don't farm endo explicitly by focus farming mod drops, that would be insane, but it is still a use for all those duplicate drops that you happen upon.

[@theneef174]

Dont u literally do that in the sedna mission against the grineer whatsits just before kela​@@burnin8able

[@Xonthos]

Finally, some solid info. Dissolution is actually very expensive, but it's pretty solid for most players.

[@theunhingedgamer3762]

I actually used it to get arcane blessing for my Dagath and I can say it's worth it somewhat and it uses any unranked arcane which is highly easy to farm since Fortuna has an easy farm for standing

[@Xonthos]

@@theunhingedgamer3762 I had just shy of 3000 Acolyte arcanes, so I used my packs to finish off the Duviri and Deimos arcanes. Years of playing Steel Path, poof, all gone in an instant. Very cool system, but for those thinking the grind was going to vanish they were very mistaken. That said, this is a great thing for the market- make the less than desirable arcanes sell for at least some flat amount, and make the rarest ones not prohibitively expensive for anyone but whales.

[@indrickboreale7381]

It's good for skipping arcane farms you don't like. Or for gambling on WF Market

[@0rphan0fKosm]

I didn't think it was all that expensive. I get a lot of arcanes from killing acolytes. I dissolved all I had when this update dropped, and now I just plan on turning them all in at the end of the week when reset happens

[@FerunaLutelou]

How you view the pricing really depends on how many arcanes you got, how many of them are maxed out, any arcane related content you ignore and how many useless arcanes you got. Someone who runs Eidolon hunts and/or hours long endurance will obviously see this differently than someone who only farms Zariman arcanes every once in a while simply because one will have way more unsellable garbage arcanes than the other.

[@dracojester2971]

Something else to keep in mind is that drop rates for arcanes from zariman enemies are affected by mod drop chance boosters (not resource drop chance boosters)

[@coldfries8976]

Circuit blessed me with one this week! Lucky me

[@lookalike4805]

I'm pretty sure he mentioned this twice in the video. 👀

[@Houndfluff]

he did he did, but its still not that common of knowledge, Random mod boosters matter for this farm and SP gives it too

[@dracojester2971]

@@lookalike4805 idk how i missed that 🗿

[@SmoothTurtle840]

Steel Path Void Cascade with a mod drop chance booster has granted me like almost 1 arcane per minute on average, it’s insane. Only problem is finding people who don’t suck at the mode lol

[@Kannibole]

Zariman and general steel path runs are a very good suggestion since the zariman arcanes are just strong and useful and the acolyte ones you just have maxed out in no time, so its really good if youre looking to max out random arcanes for collection

[@dankmemes8254]

Also arcana bounty in deimos since all theroium arcanes are gold rarerity 20 vosfor per arcane

[@osheroth]

Zariman missions bug out 50% of the time, it's not worth it

[@Mallchad]

​@@osherothZaramin has been the least buggy island for me by far, what kind of bugs are you getting?

[@singletona082]

The odds aren't that great, but it's something I can do while doing other things. That it is an option is always a net good and that eidolons are still there is good. Thank you for the video Ken. always good to see more content out of you.

[@harukun3651]

Small tip use lua thrax to buy arcane blessing sell it for plat and buy roughly twice as much primary dexterity arcanes.

[@jexelbur6872]

I clicked faster than Volt and Gauss can activate their speed boost. I think dissolution is a good edition: one part farming, one part gamble, but you always benefit.

[@DawnAfternoon]

Its absolutely a system you should not actively grind towards, but this seriously adds value to all arcanes that you may or may no longer need. Nothing is wasted even the hundreds of SP arcanes everyone has

[@milinko4468]

Well the thing is it fits into what you are already grinding for and a solution when doing tridolons or zariman cascade with all the useless arcanes the just make clutter. I myself have done so many 2 or 3 hour survival runs in steel path that I have a ridiculous amount of weapon arcanes that no one buys because they also already have a set​@@DawnAfternoon

[@taylorgarrett793]

it also allows ya to farm for arcanes in other ways, ie if ya hate doing trilidion hunts etc

[@kazumablackwing4270]

​@@taylorgarrett793that's true.. there's also the clan event going on for the next month for eidolon arcanes as well, so if you don't feel like gambling and have an extra couple of hours a day to kill, you can get max rank arcanes pretty quickly that way. In my experience, Effervo with a pub squad on SP takes about 7-10 mins to run at a casual pace, as long as at least two people know what they're doing

[@sergeychistov8162]

But it is faster than launching yourself with Penta? 😂

[@Matuse]

If you've spent much time at all doing Eidolons, then you are probably absolutely swimming in sentient cores. Max out your Quills rep every day and use those to immediately buy out either Magus Vigor or Vituos Null. It's 3 minutes to pick up a dozen meltable arcanes with mats you otherwise have no use for, and probably in staggering quantities. I've barely done Eidolon hunting and I have hundreds of each core.

[@gspannman]

You don't need to break down arcanes to dissolve, there's a button to show ranked arcanes which is off by default. Higher ranked arcanes sell for a multiple of the unranked arcane's value based on how many unranked arcanes are needed to reach that rank. Equipped arcanes also show if they're equipped when you try to sell, which is a fun discovery if you have multiple copies of max rank arcanes and discover that you have all of them equipped.

[@TheKengineer]

Yep, I was blind while doing that and unranked many equipped arcanes for nothing.

[@marverickmercer1968]

Higher rank don't sell for more, they are the exact combined price of all unranked arcane. A R5 rank arcane is exactly 22x r0 arcane.

[@gspannman]

@@marverickmercer1968 That is what I meant by sell for more. 1 ranked arcane literally sells for more than a single unranked arcane, there's just no bonus for ranking it up. If it didn't sell for more then you'd literally be losing out for ranking up an arcane.

[@iamzer0938]

@@gspannmanbut why rank it up if you already have 1 r5 copy? I mean yea if you ranked it up prior to the update for OCD than sure sell the copies but that’s a little misleading to say it “sells for more” when it doesn’t lol it’s the same price for a R5 dead head and 21xR0’s. I would consider rewording your OP as to alleviate any confusion.

[@gspannman]

@@iamzer0938 If the wording "higher rank arcanes sell for more" somehow implies to you that you get a bonus for ranking up your arcane then I'm sorry that my wording was misleading to you. I never meant to imply any form of bonus but was simply trying to state you can rank up arcanes without losing out on value if you later use that arcane in dissolution. I was also trying to save some time and just wrote "sell for more" rather than "ranked arcanes sell for a multiple of the base value of an unranked arcane". But saving time is clearly moot at this point since people are complaining about my wording and I'm now spending more time clarifying than I saved writing the initial comment.

[@martam307]

There's one more angle here. Some of us sat on hundreds of arcanes they don't need and can't be bothered selling either. I have more expensive prime sets to sell and I'm too lazy to even do that. The biggest arcane pile will be acolyte arcanes, but I have abundance of Zariman ones as well, and some Eidolon ones from old days. I'm not gonna farm anything, but I have a plan to round up my arcanes and finally complete each one to max level and melt everything else. The new functionality is perfect for this purpose and usecase, I swap stuff I don't need for stuff that might complete my sets, just so I can claim I've maxed out all arcanes heh.

[@rowankeltizar5961]

Warframe market is relatively painless. No need for trade chat

[@oriondezagrats4228]

@TheKengineer I was too foolish to put down exact numbers, but the day this update came out, I pulled 48 Eidolon Arcane packs, and I can tell you that I got like 3-4 of *each of the Legendary Arcanes.* 4 Arcane Barrier, 4 Arcane Grace, 3 Arcane Energize. 11 Legendaries total. That was about *one in four pulls.* 144 arcanes, 11 of which were Legendary. 7.6%. For comparison's sake, capturing a Hydrolyst has a cumulative 15% chance for a Legendary.

[@donovandelozier7156]

Also worth noting 48 isn't that big of a sample size all things considered.

[@perrystuart8035]

Isnt that the point? Access to arcanes from eidolons without actually doing them?

[@karlwittenburg5868]

Considering the setup needed in order to even be able to do a hydrolyst, let alone doing one comfortably, and then that having access to them AT ALL is only 1/3 of the time, it’s pretty easy to see why this has tanked the price of Arcane Energize

[@oddctioum]

IMPORTANT: there is an Event at the moment, Gargoyles Cry. if you do an assassination mission in sanctum anatomica the boss gives you 1 arcane and an angel spawns there too. if you find the tomb and defeat the whisper from the tome you get 3 arcanes in one 8 minute run on average. angel gives holdout arcanes and the whisper and the boss give sanctum arcanes. and the event gives you event credit to buy eidolon arcanes too at the gargoyle. its only for 30 days.

[@sergeychistov8162]

Good news to me! I'm returning from my vacation at that time.

[@oddctioum]

@@sergeychistov8162 what are you doing here commenting? enjoy your vacation. the event might be time limited but the assassination in Effervo will stay, giving you 3 arcanes each run, you just get event credit to buy eidolon arcanes with gargoyles cry thats all.

[@sergeychistov8162]

@@oddctioum oh! I thought this comes all together. Now I feel better about this. Happy holidays!

[@oddctioum]

@@sergeychistov8162 merry christmas and happy Holidays

[@ronzology]

i returned with like a couple days left of the event sadly. i saw the arcane energize in there and went "there goes my only chance of getting energize..." i didn't feel like spamming that fight 10 million times cuz i wouldn't have enough time already, and had so much to do from returning after years.

[@bobdickens5938]

Well.....from all the fosfar that I got from dissolving arcanes dropped from acolytes over the years, I max ranked arcane energize from it. Never thought i would get a max rank energize.

[@jjcameron0096]

Same all my gun arcanes have a use

[@page8301]

I am close to it by farming the event boss atm. Dissolution was a bust for me so far, nothing really wanted from it but at least those Primary X and Secondary Y from Acolytes that have been flooding my Arcanes for a while had a somewhat useful use.

[@bobdickens5938]

@@page8301 The farm never ends.

[@page8301]

@@bobdickens5938 Do we even want the farm to end? :o)

[@TheStf99]

I had something like 200 of each acolyte arcane when the update dropped. Doing all my playing on SP turned out to be more beneficial than the singular eidolon grind which is timegated. SP farming isn't. Got soo many arcanes finally maxed, we may not know the drop tables but its been a great addition for someone like me and hopefully most of the playerbase.

[@ewg5511]

Currently stockpiling Vosfor via new event for when Netracell-exclusive arcanes will become available through packs. Because we either will see a better way of obtaining them in "Echoes of Whispers", or won't see one for like next 5 years.

[@marverickmercer1968]

Melee arcane is ridiculously easy to farm with the current Operation. You can farm them with Mocking/Scathing Whisper which guaranteed to appear in a level the same way Void Angel is guaranteed to appear on Zariman mission.

[@tomrhodes8971]

@@marverickmercer1968 thats true for all of the melee arcanes except for the two legendary arcanes which are netracell exclusive

[@Joe90h]

Honestly, I'm just considering any legendary melee arcanes I get in the meantime as free platinum, not a step towards a personal r5. Melee Duplicate is no doubt powerful but more niche than it first appears, and Melee Crescendo really only comes into its own in longer missions with a lot of setup and a lot of its value rests on DE never making good on their desire to do away with stat sticks.

[@tomrhodes8971]

@@Joe90h yeah that’s fair unless there’s big changes in the echoes update those two arcanes are just free plat atm

[@ewg5511]

@@Joe90h I actually only want melee crescendo just so I can free up mod space on melees that I use corrupt charge on, 30 combo shoulnd't be an issue to stack with the lastest ground finisher buff, although anything lower than r2 will take just a little too long for my taste. Selling them for plat now is probably a good Idea, as they'll inevitably become cheaper in the future, so you can buy them back at a lower price and pocket the difference, however it's concerning that they're already cheaper than energize was before the update.

[@emcmanamna]

Thank you for another year of solving practical problems! :)

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Love your videos, Ken! Thanks for the guide!

[@1manApocalypse_CP]

Thanks to this i finally maxed almost all the arbitrations arcanes, since i already had the most important eidolon ones from Scarlet Spear and Orphix Venom, now i just need to work on duviri and pick up a few stragglers from various other sources.

[@lgender7367]

steelpath cascade with an efficient team can earn some of the FASTEST arcanes in the game. as long as youre ok with going against level 3000 enemies, you should be doing this strat!

[@chettonex]

Not worth your plat/time. Earning arcanes to recycle them to get random arcanes is possibly one of the worst methods to earn platinum. Yup, im talking about platinum, because plat = arcanes. Best method right now is farming the gargoyle event. PERIOD.

[@revo4382]

@@chettonexu mean the new quest event?

[@gabriellevac]

Omnia cascade steelpath is indeed insane. You don't need to get to 3000 tho. Got 52 arcanes in about 1 hour (luckiest run so far). That's 12 acolyte arcanes minimum and then RNG on the thrax drops which can be helped by boosters. And you can kill so many thrax. On top of that, you aren't wasting any actual time because you are also cracking relics.

[@TheDrycore]

Thanks for your work as always, I just cleared the quest of new(old?) Loid and got 5.5k vosfor just with Acolytes duplicates, so I tried 4 rolls on the eidolon pack, got an arcane Bless at 1st, then 2 energize at 4th pulls. I don't know if it's just luck, but I think for now, rates are approximately the same for each tier of arcanes

[@slain09]

This is the exact video I was looking/waiting for and somehow I knew that the only person who would make it was you

[@mas8705]

Was definitely waiting for a video like this to pop up to talk about where to farm up arcanes if we were feeling like spending money towards getting arcanes. Mind you, I don' know if the recent event would be seen as the better option at the moment, but I do feel like I want to try and go a bit ham on this to see if I can speed up the farming just a bit (that and you can never go wrong with expanding your collection). The only concern now will be to see if we see those drop rates soon if that will be kept on the down low. Going to be a particularly busy Christmas season for some players to try and get the most they can out of these next few weeks.

[@ExzoSSG]

This is probably the most informative video out there at the moment.

[@melanclock]

Another clear and informative video. Thanks

[@procrastinathor4594]

Great video, I especially like the math at the begging of the video ❤

[@kovanova9409]

It does feel genuinely solid on the drop rate. Regardless just farm for good drops dissolve and reroll for better arcanes

[@nikolaibrown8972]

The main thing is players who previously couldn't think of trying arcanes can now actually try them now! Finally can finish some of my builds after years

[@poestis474]

I did this because I hated farming Mirror Defense for those Deimos Arcanes a few weeks ago and for some Arbitration Arcane's that never seemed to drop for me. LOVE this system!

[@1whospeaks]

I have 1 arcane. Yup, I'll come back to this vid in 12 years thanks bro.

[@Soapromancer]

Finally, a use for my thousands of residual and theorem arcanes

[@SonicCam04]

As someone who is a completionist with warframe, although not the most successful with the rate of meaty updates, this new system is a godsend and i wish i had known it was going to happen before converting all my duplicates into a paltry amount of endo. I loathe doing eidolon hunts but it's content im considering more and more every day. and this system makes me feel alot more open to doing it since my junk rewards are just more opportunities for a reroll.

[@atlas1227]

I like getting duviri arcanes from him, especially with the gargoyle event going on that allows you to buy all the eidolon arcanes and although it may not be as efficient as some other methods I like doing long steel path relic runs

[@kgmotte2363]

You know, you don't need to Break down the Arcanes before you dissolve them, you can just click the "Show Ranked" box at the bottom Right that lets you Dissolve Ranked ones, it also has the neat side effect of letting you sort by name so you know which ones you've got maxed out right next to your Unranked ones so you know it's OK to Dissolve the smaller ones or not. (Funny thing is, the button is on Screen while TheKengineer is Saying that you can only Dissolve Unranked ones)

[@AndrewChicken]

The really nice thing about this new system is that it's a great way to get rid of all those useless steel path arcanes (merciless, dexterity, deadhead) that just pile up after a long time of doing Steel Path. I converted ALL of my spares into Eidolon packs, and got 3x energize and 2x grace! Considering they were just taking up space in my inventory previously, that's an incredible deal!

[@ThunderingRoar]

What about the latest Effervo speed runs? 1 guaranteed melee arcane, 1 possible angel arcane and another one if you find the book boss and you get the grotesque corrency to actually target buy the one you need. You can finish a run in 6-7mins so it should be giga worth it

[@TheRealPentigan]

Do Acolytes spawn in Effervo Steel Path? If so that's another arcane possibility.

[@cataposs]

​@@TheRealPentiganThey do not. Acolytes cannot spawn in Archwing or Assassination missions, and Effervo is in the Assassination category.

[@JuanRamirez-ci1xx]

In murmur assasinations the arcanes are guaranteed when you kill the boss, they just get glitched and spawn like 10-15 meters in the air when the boss dies during some animations.

[@TheKengineer]

I've gone by the DE official drop tables which show 50%, not 100%

[@thehunter-od1zt]

I mean I get them 100% of the time from the book boss and the assassination and I have done probably like 50 to 60 runs so far. the only time i missed some is when the update came out and they were getting stuck in the walls. @@TheKengineer

[@IRMentat]

As someone who was bored of tridolon within 2-3 runs this was an absolute win, in finally have a use for all The steel path and random bounty rewards I have been ignoring.

[@spappliespapple4628]

Yeah, i tolerate eidolons but i Just cant stand waiting for them "oh im feeling like doing a 3x3 todayyy... Never mind its day for the next 2 hours... At least now i can use the useless parkour speed arcanes to get something

[@SangminLee76]

If you actively farm arcanes to melt, all those packs per hours are important. BUT, you get accolyte aracnes by doing daily activities like incursions and fissures. I've melted all accolyte arcanes and gambled Citrine arcanes which I really hated to farm. I got little over 50 out of 35 packs which worth 30+ hours of playtime. Then I just bought some from Otak to max rank them. If you want to speed up the farming of specific arcanes sets, Duviri arcanes for example, gambling reduces great amount of time.

[@InsertSomethingStupid2002]

For zariman missions what about void cascade with a mod drop booster? I figured if you were going to farm arcanes on there that would be the most profitable option.

[@AndyRum]

With a good group void cascade on steel path ~40 arcanes/hr

[@Voldrim359]

Shall we take also on note with the gargoyle event going right now that you will have this new resource to buy stuff and minimal that you can get is 1 and goes up to 5 on Steel path? and you can basically get a max of 3 arcanes per run of assasination giving you kill the shadow, angel of zariman and the fragmented one

[@iscreamyy6541]

dissolution is certainly useful but for some of the more rare arcanes like energize just farm the clan event for the next month

[@KorpsyKloun]

Ehh I had a maxed energize day 1 of dissolution. I had none starting just a ton of acolyte arcanes

[@iscreamyy6541]

most people wont share your experience in that more than likely, clan event is a guaranteed way of getting maxed energize rather than just hoping to get lucky or brute force dissolution@@KorpsyKloun

[@KorpsyKloun]

@@iscreamyy6541 i probably can see that being true. I saved the useless arcanes and stockpiled 1000s.

[@defalt30]

Just got 5 energizes from a ten pack..My plat couldn't be happier

[@jaams8202]

You can also do Void Cascade mission type on the zaramin for a pretty solid chance at arcanes because of the amount of thrax that come... also affected by mod drop chance booster but they are also very ez to kill in groups.. I was able to get about 25 arcanes in 1 hour and that was without a booster. Each arcane sell for 22 each and if u get lucky or bring a booster you could possibly get 10 packs an hour.

[@jofipa9953]

Isnt the best random arcane farm SP void cascade with a mod drop chance booster? I remember farming a full set of all the molt mods in 5 or 6h

[@freedomfries9719]

what are the thoughts on running the new gargoyles cry event for arcanes? with a possible 3 arcanes per mission not including the fragments gotten for the event vendor

[@TheTundraTerror]

Personally, I just melted down the massive pile of Acolyte Arcanes and other useless spares, got my Secondary Outburst, and I'm happy. Really, I think that's how the system is meant to work: getting rid of Arcanes that have literally zero value. and getting some of what you want.

[@itsyaboisoma]

This overwhelmed me omg I can’t. I just want an effective arcane farm 😭

[@snakeman830]

Finally! A use for all of the sentient cores I've been collecting in archon hunts!

[@spappliespapple4628]

Yes, Yes, Yes, i can finally use up the 2k cores i have

[@dlxmarks]

I just calculated that if I convert all my intact cores to exceptional ones, my total collection will yield about 21k vosfor. It'll take nearly 5 months to do it due to daily standing cap though.

[@Avoncarstien]

yeah....this came out and I ended up with like 8k vosfor or the like from dumping my extra acolyte arcanes...you just end up with so dang many of the things... glad they gave us something to do with 'em 🙂

[@zerashy]

Love your videos. =)

[@louissmedley9416]

“Purchasing a pack will randomly reward 3 unranked Arcanes from their list. The possibility of a certain Arcane being selected is based on its rarity and respective drop rates through gameplay means. We want to maintain the integrity of its original acquisition methods in this new alternate way to access them.” That’s on the wiki page for arcane dissolution, doesn’t this mean their drop rates are the same as in game missions? So energise is 5% from an eidolon so surely if there statement is correct it’s 5% from the pack too

[@AyVaZzZ4o0]

Hey @TheKengineer a very high possibility for those drop tables to be not released yet is very reasonable I personally think Digital Extremes is performing a background Analytics Survey based on player behavior Data meaning they are weighing the player behavior based on real world usage and decision making resulting in often tweaks to the drop tables until a certain % of very-high play-rate player-base gets the loot in their accounts they won't stop making tweaks to the drop tables until players feel it's worth putting farming efforts into those specific grinds!! Basically they are not the devil they just want to make it (not completely hopeless to acquire) unlike some things in this game that are still half platinum only acquired efficiently!!!

[@heejinsmole]

yep just found 2 Arcane Energize. just dissolved some Primary and Secondary arcanes

[@Glamador]

I dissolved every single acolyte arcane i had and rolled around 20 packs. Got two energize, two grace, two guardian, and a longbow sharpshot, plus some golds I didn't have. I don't run eidolons at all so, frankly, I'm over the moon.

[@Wing0fSilver]

I have done some number crunching by collecting info from Reddit users. I've compiled about a thousand packs worth of Eidolon Arcanes and the drop chance for the legendary ones seems to trend between 1.8% and 2% per pull with 3 pulls per pack with them all seemingly the same drop chance. That's about a 5% chance per pack to get the one you want.

[@AscendtionArc]

Thanks for this.

[@alisterwh]

What do we understand as a pack of arcanes? A pack of several arcanes of the same type so we can max up a single arcane? Or one arcane of each type for a given family of arcanes?

[@TikkaQrow]

Just spent a few days grinding SP Effero and just made my own r5 energize On top of the current event, sp Effero drops 1-3 arcanes per run if you take angel and hunt whisper and they dissolve nicely. It's nice because there isn't a gimmick. Just whack the enemies with big gun.

[@TDogsYard]

Well an initial thought here is that the value of old news R5 arcane like acolyte drops will go up because some players stocks will likely be getting dissolved. I use to occasionally sell a R5 primary deadhead for 15 plat cause I had no use for the 100+ saved. Over time should be able to make sales go up two to three times on a low end of 15p. Some passive platinum income for older players if a new player base grows.

[@Theguyoverthere603]

The math man has come to us with more numbers

[@muscifede]

can you revisit this? has this data been mined? what should I do why my extra vosfors?

[@mathieuaurousseau100]

Is exterminate better than Void Cascade for this? I understand that you'll get less Zariman arcane in Void Cascade than in speedrun exterminate, but wouldn't you also get more Acolyte arcanes?

[@ShadowsAssass1n]

Brozime opened a bunch of the packs on stream and it seemed like there was about a 1 in 10 chance at getting a rare in whatever pack he was buying

[@dantedevon3978]

I've actually not yet failed to get an arcane from the whisper unless I didn't pick it up. Are they affected by drop chance of some sort, because I do have boosters on.

[@karlwittenburg5868]

Got an arcane energize after only buying like 5 packs. Gonna go do my little happy dance and then cry that my luck and RNG blessing has been fully consumed by this gain

[@MultiKombo]

How about the gargoyle's cry event? Did you do the math for grinding vosfer through the event?

[@Cloakdasasin0]

Re-confirming my hatred of Orphix missions xD

[@aliffmazmin9273]

the price shift could also be due to the gargoyle event tho right? anyhow thanks!! great information i hope the drop tables ACTUALLY get released someday

[@R3IsL]

Cool to see so many new ways to farm arcanes, I think I was prepping gear for eidolons 8 years ago b4 i stopped playing, ill probably still try eidolons now that im back, at least after I finish this week long farm for this fucking mech im almost positive ill hardly ever fucking use

[@Dac85]

Hey Kengineer, do you have any data on the "enemies take % more damage while afflicted with X status' shards? Specifically, are the different types added together, or do they multiply? Ex if you have enemies take 30% more damage from abilities while procced with radiation and 30% more damage from abilities while procced with corrosive, if you got both on an enemy, would the enemy take 60% more damage (1 x (1 + 0.3 + 0.3)) or would they take 69% more damage (1 x ((1 + 0.3) x (1 + 0.3)))?

[@Malurth]

I haven't tested this myself, but it would stand to reason that Ability Damage is a new multiplier that is additive with itself, so it should be 60% in that scenario.

[@itzDarkcantSee]

the best thing i learned from this vid is sleep now works for conservations

[@espinita.]

I REFUSE TO GO BACK TO THE "PAINS" pun fully intended

[@majesticbbqsauce727]

Edit: double checked the drop tables, it definitely says 50%, so this feels quite off. The Drop rates seem a bit off for albrecht? Ever since they patched the arcanes being stuck in the air bug, i've played 30 missions and not gotten an arcane from the whisper once. To counterbalance, i've also got roughly 4 arcanes from the void angels in the same missions.

[@kauacarlos2920]

My first ever eidolon pack gave me a arcane energize😂

[@bayuf995]

Before the update rolls out, i bought a TON (about 630p worth) of primary/ secondary deadhead, merciless, and dexterity because DE announce that this feature is gonna come out. Upon update, i dissolve all those arcanes and bought 144 packs of eidolon arcane packs and only got 9 arcane energize. With the addition of gargoyle's cry + this arcane gambling, i would say its cheaper buying them normally from wfm rather than dissolving arcanes (unless youre a lucky boi then gamble away). ps: by the time im commenting this, arcane energize is worth 30-40p each, meaning if i were to buy it normally i would only need 360p to get 9 of them. Kinda sad i lost some value there but im happy seeing those arcane energize hoarders cries and saying DE RUIN the market prices etc. 😂😂😂

[@THE_Number_ONE_1_HATER]

8:18 the reason they’re not dropping the drop rate is because I got 4 arcane energize from like four packs they’re still tinkering with them you can get some very good drops. I was able to upgrade my arcanes guardian by arcane ultimatum, my arcane agries, my arcane victory just because I had a bunch of unwanted arcanes at the time, and I started farming some arcanes and got even more from the situation. The drop rate I can confirm our very good I have spent over 5000 Vosper it’s worth your time they’re not releasing it because they’re still messing with it because the drop rates are ridiculous right now but they’re probably gonna Nerf it later so use it while it’s available

[@Reelix]

It seems that both you and Leyzar are now using the Torid Incarnon. Did one of you copy the other, did you find it from a different source, or discover it yourself?

[@meowspark9]

I do a lot of endless SP so I was using those to try and get Arcane Energize, but tbh my builds have been okay without it and I'm too lazy to actively farm this system so I'm just gonna chill on this one.

[@shirokami7801]

I mostly play the lua mission for voruna on steelpath with a loot drop boost and nekros for hours farm a lot of lua thrax and then buy arcanes to dissolve

[@raphael122]

I farmed a max rank energize on the Scarlet Spear event and since then ammassed ~16 energize from doing some Eidolons and from Nightwave, I always thought that I should sell them but was too lazy, and now I can only cry because I lost what could have been 1600-2000 platinum for what is now only a couple hundreds

[@NeonFennec]

what amp do you use in the video?

[@FaintAffiliate]

In short they are aware the community is good at math so don't give them the numbers 🙄. As always appreciate all the work you've gone to bud so thumbs up for this video. Will just treat this as a way to mix and match content for vosfor to stem singular content boredom.

[@SumoneAverage]

warframe is so amazing, so many mission types if you don’t like some then you almost never have to even play/touch it cause plat (free to trade) and now arcanes being easier/cheaper, super nice to be able to just stick to the game mode/mission types you love

[@AmalgamJiena]

Right after unlocking it, I burned all my leftover steel path arcanes for eidolon arcane packs, managed to pull a Grace and Aegis

[@jamming8519]

Do you have a video on your torid build?

[@sparksthereaper8749]

I bought 109 packs from Arcane Dissolution, I did 10 packs at a time, and every 10 packs I'd get 1 or 2 legendary Arcanes... I managed from r0 to get Energize, Barrier, and Grace around r2 each with an odd arcane or two unable to hit r3, with Arcane Grace though, it was the one to appear for me more often reaching r4 after 109 packs opened. I'd say fro drop rates: Common = 50-60% Uncommon = 25-30% Rare = 15-20% Legendary = 10-15% These are speculation based on the amount of packs I have purchased, at times I would get 3 Legendaries per 10 packs so drop rates are threading a fine line of vagueness

[@RyukUnchouJordison1]

i dissolved most (if not all) my eidolon and acolyte arcanes, i ended up with about 40-50k vosfor, i hope i can get all the arcanes i'm missing (the ones i haven't been able to farm lol)

[@GRlMME]

I haven’t had the chance to play yet but I added up how much of the steel path arcanes I have. I can open 93 arcane packs. And that’s not counting the other arcanes I have that I can dissolve too.

[@0DeathTheKid15]

I would have a question about Lua. Do the Trax enemys in Lua drop Arcanes? I get sometimes some from Zariman Trax but there are allways just around 2 or 3 in one mission.

[@lookalike4805]

If they do then it should be written in the Codex. 🤔

[@DeathRabbit]

For those like me that have extra standing to spend: Onkko: Magus Vigor, Virtuos Null Cavalero: Cascadia Accuracy, Emergence Savior, Eternal Eradicate, Fractalized Reset, Molt Vigor Bird 3: Melee Fortification/Retaliation Little Duck: Magus Destruct, any 5k bronze/7.5k silver/10k gold Hok: Any gold Rude Zuud: Any

[@cephalonwolf8422]

This video is the third result on KZbin when searching the word dissolve

[@GSMMW]

Good info.

[@CamarilloCraze]

We could “brute force” the arcane packs of a lot of people are willing to put their data together and make some decent estimates for the drop tables.

[@JCLegendary]

Ive just been doing my daily Zariman missions and turning all the standing into Molt Vigors. The slow but 0 effort farm.

[@GhostOnTheHalfShell]

I just dissolved the 500 or so acolyte mods of each type that have piled up.

[@spooderderg4077]

This isn't a farm to make the grind less, this is a farm to make the grind fun. You have to put in objectively more effort into this to get what you want. But you never have to touch content you don't desire to play in order to do it. It's great for people like me who have loads of fun in certain game modes but find others a chore.

[@DiscardPile1]

Hey, would you take Lavos into a Netracell? Solo?