Arcanine, Moltres, and why Gen 1 Fire-types suck | RBY Bytes

[@PlaguevonKarma]

A fun fact I found out before releasing this - Moltres learning Leer via Level-Up may have been an error. It learns it at similar levels to when Articuno and Zapdos learn Blizzard and Thunder, and Leer is exactly 10 places away from Flamethrower in the move index. Maybe a developer just typo'd? It'd logically learn it for the same reason Zapdos gets Thunder - Fire Blast is a Gym TM, so nothing gets it by Level-Up. Thanks to Zilch for telling me about this! Also, minor correction - Arcanine has occasionally seen use over Incineroar even when it got Intimidate and existed in the same format. Arcanine has faster Will-O-Wisps and Snarls, plus Safeguard, which can sometimes edge it onto teams where Fake Out + Knock Off isn't necessary. It's specific, but was enough for it to even have higher usage than Incineroar for exactly one month.

[@ElBlocko]

You're welcome, lol. I'm not sure what's sillier: Moltres learning Leer instead of the presumably intended Flamethrower, or Rhyhorn learning both Tail Whip and Leer by level-up.

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

​@@ElBlocko Ah yes, Rhyhorn with Flamethrower leveling up

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@ElBlocko at level 35 and _50,_ respectively which means they both come after it learning horn attack followed immediately by ... horn attack, except with less pp in exchange for a flinch chance. y'know. for all those opponents it's gonna be outspeeding with its base 25 speed

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Given it forgets Leer and gains Flamethrower in later gens, it makes a lot of sense, actually

[@TheAuron32]

i THINK in gen 2 it gets Flamethrower instead, and i have heard its a coding error or something elsewhere.

[@CaptainObliviousV]

If I had a nickel for every competitive RBY youtuber that called out the OU Zard users, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s hilarious that it’s happened twice.

[@Scutezo]

Is the other one big yellow?

[@CaptainObliviousV]

@@Scutezo yep

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

I switched to lead zard out of spite It's named "not viable 🤓" and drastically reduces my winrate

[@glitchedoom]

In a just world you'd have a lot more nickels.

[@sarasaland4709]

Gotta love how Flareon has 130 Attack and 110 Special, some of the best mixed offenses in the game But they forgot to give it moves to the point it’s not even good in PU.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

The move problem is baked into RBY Fire-type design. They all realistically needed Thunderbolt to trade with Starmie. Flareon's movepool is arguably the best of the RBY Fire-types that aren't named Charizard and Magmar. Body Slam, Hyper Beam, Fire Blast, Fire Spin, etc, is all amazingly good for it. Its movepool aged like milk into GSC, where its Special was ruined, making Fire STAB way less useful. For purpose in RBY, Flareon is great - that's why it works in OU where the others don't. The real problem is it's slow and frail, which in RBY specifically is easily made up for because of how Chansey and Snorlax dictate pacing.

[@Naul6892]

​​@@PlaguevonKarma Flareon's stats and movepoll would probably have aged better if they went for a more physically bulky route (130 points in defense instead of attack) or made him the jack of all trades of the eeveelutions.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

@@Naul6892 nah it just needed to have Speed. It was otherwise set for the future. Imagine 95 Speed on Flareon, with the DPP movepool - perfect Scarf user.

[@zoruafox7512]

@@PlaguevonKarma you can technically beat paralyzed starmie with flareon but even not letting starmie in it’s not exactly good lol. Also having to use tail whip to be usable is kinda sad but you need para stack and that defense drop since the starmie switch ins will not stop coming otherwise

[@bryanc1772]

Magmar learns psychic and Thunderpunch while flareon doesn’t Also cross chop in Gen 2

[@anotherwaterroute]

I genuinely love using Moltres in OU, but it is in fact soooo mid. But its such a great "GOTCHA" mon, because no late game team is expecting your last pokemon or two to be a Moltres over something else so they're rarely prepared for it.

[@bryanc1772]

Most of OU is hostile to Moltres though . Slowbro, Chansey , Starmie all naturally beat it It does have a chance to beat Exeggutor, Snorlax, Jynx, and Tauros 1 on 1 but at that point why not just use Zapdos?

[@anotherwaterroute]

yeah but fireblast is objectively cooler than thunderbolt

[@bryanc1772]

@@anotherwaterroute unthawing another Frozen Pokémon by accident isn’t though :( Burning Snorlax, and Tauros. That’s hot ( pun intended ) lol

[@arcanusafonso2647]

The graphical representation of Arcanine trying to chip Starmie with Fire Spin made my night, it was so funny!

[@shadowtitanx3962]

I just wanna imagine Dragonite chipping Rhydon down with Wrap for the memes.

[@emmetth3726]

Damn I didn’t even realize Charizard got a random +25 special attack buff during the split

[@DemonDragon43]

Blastoise received a spdef buff too. This was done to make sure Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise all have the same BST, since with special being split into two stats Venusaur now possessed a higher BST than the other two starters

[@Tarkduckleduck]

​@@DemonDragon43 yeah but then Charizard ended with 534, Blastoise with 530, and Venusaur with 525. Lol

[@DemonDragon43]

@@Tarkduckleduck True, but had they not changed Charizard or Blastoise the difference would've been much larger

[@glitchedoom]

Turned it into a Flying Typhlosion with Belly Drum. Not a bad deal.

[@MrCheeze]

The idea that legendary Pokemon are one-of-a kind hasn't been canon since the VERY early gens. Arceus is the _only_ truly unique one (and even that was a recent retcon, Legends establishing that each individual Arceus we see is just a shard of the same entity). Also, "stone evolution Pokemon don't learn moves by level-up" was standard back then. If you want to see Arcanine's actual moveset, you have to look at Growlithe's page.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

I know of the stone evo thing - but none of Growlithe's moves are actually usable viably for Arcanine

[@animejerk05]

oh the good old days that you couldnt catch mewtwo and zapdos in silver gold and crystal because someone else caught them already 3 years ago. they got rid of that shenanigans in remakes

[@lvl5Vaporeon]

The only time I'd ever use a fire move in OU is the Tauros mirror where it can turn the tide of a battle significantly. ....or accidentally defrosting a Pokemon after someone sees fire blast on my Tauros

[@krosshair450]

5:08 alternatively we could kick all the rby zard users into gen 3, everyone wins in that scenario I thought this was a pretty interesting video, the only fire type I ever hear about in RBY is zard (this one for all the wrong reasons) so it’s cool hearing about what all the other fire types could do in the other rby metagames (mostly moltres)

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

Ok but • Charizard cool • entry hazards bad

[@PlaguevonKarma]

​@@ENCHANTMEN_ what entry hazards? It's immune to Spikes...

[@krosshair450]

@@ENCHANTMEN_ rocks don’t exist until gen 4, hazards basically mean nothing to zard in gen 3 because the only hazard is spikes

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

@@PlaguevonKarma I just don't like them on principle :)

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

It's kinda funny how Arcanine only started to looks more Legendary after Gen 1, gaining the rare/unique Extreme Speed and +20 base SpAtk. It never got enough to be good, but even now it has the highest Total BST of any non-pseudo Legendary Pokemon, excluding Pokemon with debilitating abilities (namely Archeops and Slaking). A pointless distinction when you realize it includes Urshifu, Volcarona and Gholdengo (and Florges against all odds) who has way better stat distributions among all things, but still a neat detail. Especially the fact they're keeping this tradition for so long, even if no one really cares, or even noticed it.

[@cgyh68748]

Didnt know

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

@@cgyh68748 Since then, there's Blood Moon Ursaluna who shares it's stat, and I'm not sure if it counts as a Legendary, or not (it's a Unique Pokemon at least). Also, I don't know if Archaludon counts as a Pseudo Legendary. The Loyal Three have the same BST as Arcanine, but they're Legendary.

[@cgyh68748]

@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 I have read somewhere that the honoguma line was reworked into Ursaring

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

@@cgyh68748 Yeah, I think I saw that too

[@kenshiro8984]

The day they release a non-legendary/pseudo/debilitating ability mon with a BST beyond 555 will be the day i will feel shattered

[@dakodastevens8972]

It does see occasional usage over Incineroar in VCG, it's faster which lets it use specifically snarl and will-o-wisp better (and occasionally scary face). in the current gen, tera normal extreme speed crops up occasionally, but Dragonite tends to do that much better, the one advantage Arcanine has over Dragonite for this is intimidate, but with clear amulet, intimidate is just less useful then in previous gens.

[@Kali_Krause]

What's weird is that in Red/Blue, Charizard, despite being part Fire and part Flying, can't learn Fly. This was fixed in Yellow I believe

[@OmegaTyrant]

Fire types also got pretty fucked over in Gen 1 for even just normal play, when they all got stuck with Ember for STAB until they learned Flamethrower in their late 30s at the earliest, or getting the Fire Blast TM from Blaine when the game is almost over. Growlithe in particular didn't learn Flamethrower until fucking level 50, so if you wanted to use Growlithe/Arcanine, hope you like using a 40 power move for your only STAB up to the 7th gym! And then there's Flareon, who didn't even get Ember until level 31, and then Flamethrower at level 54 (at least in Yellow, it got Ember instead at level 16, but still no Flamethrower until... level 52). This is all while most other types will get something better than a 40 power STAB move by the time you reach Celadon, potentially much better, and the ones that didn't were the garbage types like Bug and Poison or the types with no moves like Ghost and Dragon.

[@hi-i-am-atan]

i have to wonder if the devs severely overestimated the power of the dot statues, considering how late a lot of pokemon learn poison moves. like, it's easy to overlook because weedle and ekans are two of the main early poison types and they get poison sting p. early, but then the also earlygame poison type nidos don't get their first stab move ( at a whopping 15 power! ) til their mid teens. then tentacool gets it only when its almost level 20, and sandshrew randomly picks it at 24 - _after_ it's been packing _slash_ for 7 levels! but. i mean, i suppose that's at least better than magmar picking up smog at level _52_ it's a similar story for multi-hit moves, complete with pokemon randomly picking them up at extremely late levels. i'm not entirely convinced gamefreak had the slightest grasp on their game's damage formula, despite it ... seemingly being designed to make it extremely easy to compare moves and statlines

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Not to mention, Lorelei, Lance, and the Champion to some extent really give Fire types pain. Seriously, Lapras and Gyarados are absolute gatekeepers for all Fire types in a solo run in both Red and Blue and especially Yellow, where a lot of teams are much stronger, like Giovanni's team being way more stronger than his Red and Blue team, or the Yellow Champion having either Vaporeon or Cloyster as the gatekeeper after getting past Lapras and Gyarados. I didn't mention Bruno and Agatha, since the Fires can just brute force their away against the Ghosts and Bruno's team in Gen 1 is outright in ZU status by the challenge run community, to where people call him the Hiker or Blackbelt.

[@OmegaTyrant]

@@shadowtitanx3962 Lorelei's Lapras isn't too bad since you can boost to max before it and Slowbro has Amnesia to Mimic while not being threatening, if your Fire type doesn't have access to a boosting move, not to mention Lapras doesn't resist Fire moves. But yeah Lance's Gyarados is such a fucking bastard, I've been trying to beat the Red/Blue Elite 4 with each pokemon solo as low level as I could get (both with perfect and worst stats), and it's criminal how much Lance's Gyarados jacks the required level up alone for Fire types. The Charizard line would have been great for example and could have contended with or even beat out the Venusaur and Blastoise lines (Swords Dance and being fast is really nice), but that damn Gyarados alone jacks their required level up. If only Lance led with... absolutely anything else on his team and you could have at least boosted before the Gyarados, then it wouldn't have been so bad.

[@cathallynch1]

Add HM surf to this and it's baffling how different fire and water are by design.

[@emmachine27]

I think most of the stone evolutions have the problem that they don't learn new moves by Level Up (except for eevee), at least in first Generations. I think they should at least have the chance to learn the moves as well they would have learned before evolving (like its the case with trade pokemon). So Arcanine could at least learn Flamethrower by level up.

[@glitchedoom]

Bug, Fighting, and Poison type still got the shortest straw in Gen 1, but Gen 1 Fire type may be the most tragic.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

People overstate the issues Poison has by a lot - most of the Pokemon there are some of the most well-designed in the game, and multiple have hit OU levels (Victreebel and Gengar, not even counting historically VR'd mons). Tentacruel rules UU, Nidoking is amazing in NU, could go on. I reaaaally don't think it deserves to be lumped with these.

[@glitchedoom]

@@PlaguevonKarma Notice how those are all dual type Pokemon though. It'd be hard to argue that they wouldn't be better without a weakness to Psychic or (barring Victreebell) Earthquake. Toxic immunity is the only positive I can really think of defensively. This isn't even mentioning the complete lack of any offensive benefit. Poison is my favorite type but it really had it rough in the early days.

[@egon3705]

@@glitchedoom grass resist can be nice sometimes

[@incognitiosaystransrights]

@@egon3705 yeah but it never comes in to play at all. only grass type moves you see are the occasional victreebel or venusaur razor leaf, or the once in a blue moon eggy mega drain

[@MagnusTB_]

arcanine had a small niche in VGC last gen, even with incineroar allowed btw. with access to faster wisps and snarls and neat moves like safeguard vs venusaur torkoal. i remember one month arcanine had more usage than incineroar before incineroar retook the throne again

[@chilln0648]

3:00 erm actually burn moves are not the only way to remove freeze as haze removes all status freeze included

[@PlaguevonKarma]

Haze is simply not a move :3

[@O-01-04]

Flareon continues to be an absolute travesty of a pokemon from a design standpoint. Why GF decided to make the Fire Type that uses SPECIAL ATTACK to attack with its STAB pitiful special attack and even worse speed will always make no damn sense to me. And then in Gen 5 they decided to give the FIRE TYPE guts, so it has to rely on toxic orb or become even more uselessly slow if it gets para'd to throw out big Guts Boosted Facades, but even then. In S/V I decided to use Tera-Normal Flareon with Trailblaze, Facade, Protect and Flare Blitz(?) and it KIIINDA does things except there's a bunch of pokemon that want to Tera more than Flareon anyways.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

It's weird - in RBY, it was just fine design-wise. 110 Special and 130 Attack was a clear design point. They seemingly felt the need to have one Eeveelution not have Special Attack, like Articuno with the Bird Trio. In turn, they ended up destroying the two Pokemon that actually WANTED their Special Attack. You could say it was a package deal.

[@shadowtitanx3962]

To be fair, GF always made failed archetypes, like slow Ice types, Physical Electric types, bulky defensive Rock types not named Tyranitar, etc. Even Iron Hands didn't leave an impact, even with Fighting STAB and a much higher Attack than Electivire. And yes, it also pains me that Glaceon is a failure, despite how popular it is alongside Umbreon and co.

[@O-01-04]

@@PlaguevonKarma Yeah, but I'll forgive Flareon getting given a bad deal if not entirely because Gen 2 also gave us Umbreon which is probably my favourite Eeveelution to use. (Yeah I know Toxic Antics aren't very fun to go against, but hey in Godly Gift being able to have Giratina-Origin and then have effectively Dark Type Giratina-A is just funny.)

[@O-01-04]

@@shadowtitanx3962 True, honestly I think Flareon's biggest weakness is probably its speed, as I don't think it REALLY needed more power outside of maybe a boosting move (Which, it has calm mind at least). Honestly I think it could've been neat if Flareon's HT was an ability that boosted its speed, maybe like a fire-immune Motor Drive or something, rather than... Guts, which doesn't help it at all because it still has a hard time actually getting to a speed to throw out its decent attacks, and getting status'd just has it wear itself down further esp considering its STAB is FLARE BLITZ for Physical sets, if memory serves right. (Obviously it also could've actually used 110 Special Attack over 95 Special Attack, but that was just Game Freak doing its weird 'make the slow mon be bulky even though its typing still renders it pretty damn frail' thing it likes to do)

[@et34t34fdf]

@@shadowtitanx3962 Guess they succeded once , Cloyster is a slow defensive ice type, but thats the single example.

[@sealeo5772]

I love you using chainsaw sound effects to represent wrap moves

[@PlaguevonKarma]

It never gets old

[@SuperEljafru]

fire/normal typing would have made arcanine such a cool pokémon. it’s always been just a cut under standard play; stab espeed for sure would have given it a place in ou for multiple gens

[@bryanc1772]

There’s a reason why all Fire Types in Gen 1 are all NU Magmar is my favorite at least it learns psychic , Thunderpunch and Cross chop as coverage

[@MMurine]

Cross Chop (Japanese: クロスチョップ Cross Chop) is a damage dealing Fighting-type move introduced in Generation II.

[@SkorpTS]

4:36 Ground doesn't actually resist Bug type moves; it's the other way around. There is no Ground type in RBY that resists Bug at all. Nidoqueen & Nidoking resist them in later generations, but are actually weak to them in RBY. I know this has nothing to do with the main point of the video, but I just wanted to point it out for clarity.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

Yeeeah that was a silly moment lol

[@Empr4evr]

Just to hit this point home, one of my favorite moments of the RBY cartridge/emulator game is trolling the Digletts and Dugtrios in their cave with a Paras/Parasect. I like using Parasect as an HM slave, as it can learn both Dig and Cut. So, what I would do is give it a moveset of Stun Spore, Mega Drain, Dig, Cut and let it loose in Diglett's Cave. It's astonishing how easy the battles are. Parasect's Bug/Grass typing _quarters_ the strength of Dig; Parasect could just paralyze Dugtrio following the Dig's attacking turn and just regain what little HP it lost with STAB super effective Mega Drains.

[@danbarretobass]

Moltres definitely votes Tory why did I never think of that

[@DBXNaato]

very comfy video pvk, love watching these and hearing your voice, plus the way you display information with the editing is wonderful

[@DaniDoyle]

But if i don't burn Chansey, its gonna kill me with is massive attack stat :(

[@Guimhj]

Ninetales claims to be an enlightened centrist 😂

[@moyai5317]

Took quite a while to they rise on future gens like now on sv where sun is preety broken

[@anotherwaterroute]

Also wow these videos are always so well made but this one is so thorough!!, you're honestly such an inspiration 💖

[@PlaguevonKarma]

I'm glad! Your videos are really nice - I'm happy to see that other RBY content creators are finding their footing. Reverend is another cool one.

[@anotherwaterroute]

@@PlaguevonKarma 💖💖💖

[@TestName309]

Arcanine is so sad, the only coverage move it has is banned 😭

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

On the other hand: Charizard is a cool dragon guy

[@s.e.111films3]

If I went into the RBY OU ladder with just a single Charizard on my team, how many people could I make just ragequit? Probably not much more than 0, but there's gotta be that one person, right?

[@PlaguevonKarma]

People don't ragequit, they just win and move on

[@s.e.111films3]

@@PlaguevonKarma Unfortunate.

[@terraSpark902]

Would be better if you used it seriously and made them rage quit from a Sword dance Hyperbeam sweep or Fire spin spam

[@s.e.111films3]

@@terraSpark902 That does not seem very feasible.

[@imaginaryboy2000]

You know for as bad as Flareon consistently has it, it DID have the second highest Special stat of any fire type. Not sure if that says something about Flareon or the rest of the generation, but whatever it says can't be good.

[@et34t34fdf]

Burning starmie, zam or Chansey sounds like really good way to lose a game.

[@cinderefell1399]

Not as depressing as my favourite pokemon being Beedrill. My baby bee is only viable in my dreams.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

Mega beedrill fans STARVING

[@Ludzig]

Why have the avatar in the corner if it only weirdly moves the eyes? I

[@PlaguevonKarma]

It was meant to have arm movement at one point but it costs wayyyy too much to get it rigged.

[@TheAuron32]

that intro had me laughing, i miss old cartoons like that LMFAO!!

[@damianwarneke305]

I want Magmar to be good so bad. That movepool, for a Gen 1 fire mon, is pretty incredible. And he just looks cool. Iconic.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

It's almost painful how close it was. It could have been Fire/Psychic with little issue, then it's a stone's throw from being decent. I kind of hate Magmortar for going in the exact opposite direction Magmar was taking back then...

[@damianwarneke305]

Fire/Psychic typing almost feels like it is missing considering there is a Psychic dual-type for the other two Starter Types (water, grass)

[@Wrulfy]

Ah, nothing like fresh RBY content from pvk in the morning

[@crunter6523]

Omg the doggo :rikapat:

[@lucishrimp]

Honey wake up the kids, new Plague von Karma video just dropped!

[@tysondennis1016]

I kinda wonder how well a time traveling Volcarona would do in Gen 1. On one hand, Volcarona, with 135 Special. On the other hand, it’s a Fire/Bug-type in the generation where both of its types are at their weakest.

[@palestjade]

wake up babe new rby bytes just dropped

[@trevorstevenson4038]

Typhlosion can learn thunderpunch

[@PlaguevonKarma]

Yep, that's a sign of lessons being learned by Game Freak! GSC showed a lot of understanding of what RBY did well and poorly.

[@StormCrownSr]

Can anyone explain to me why Pokémon had high physical atk firemons before the physical special split?

[@sketchydude8431]

Same reason why pretty much every dark type were physical attackers despite dark being special "Fuck em."

[@icantthinkofaname4723]

Wouldn't Tri Attack also be able to unfreeze Pokemon in gen 1?

[@PlaguevonKarma]

If its effect were actually programmed in, yes.

[@CAFFIENEHOUND]

Modern tri attack would, gen 1 tri attack doesn't. Man that puts Gen1 programming into perspective.

[@icantthinkofaname4723]

@@CAFFIENEHOUND Most functional gen 1 move

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@icantthinkofaname4723 i mean, it unironically functions more "correctly" than body slam it can certainly seem odd that it just deals damage and nothing else, sure ... until you look back at its rby animation and see that the attack is literally just the pokemon chucking a triangle at the opponent. like, it's not even a triangle followed by a sequence of elemental effects. it's literally just a triangle, which is presumably why it's only learned naturally by porygon and dodrio - the former being literally made of triangles, and the latter having three heads that can fire off simultaneous attacks which, altogether ... kinda just makes it a blatant reference to final fantasy's delta attack, esp. when used by movers in ffv. which ... kinda makes it weird that magneton can't even learn it by tm in rby, considering movers are just a trio of orbs with eyes

[@terraSpark902]

​@icantthinkofaname4723 Focus energy: am I a joke to you?

[@isaacivans904]

So if Vic is the king of throws, would Moltres be Wick?

[@maskofthedragon]

0:35 The Arcanine part of the mural is fake and was used to hide a screen behind

[@PlaguevonKarma]

I know - I watched the episode when making the video! That doesn't mean it's fake nor take away from the point. They put Arcanine with the birds, and making that choice while considering the Pokedex book's impact on the anime implies it wasn't a random pick. There are many details from the Pokedex book that are seen in the early episodes of the anime. The Spearow's black/white colour vision, Electabuzz and Scyther not liking the colour red, and so on. It's clear that there was intent behind these choices. All the screen behind the Arcanine mural means is that, well, there's a screen behind it. Who's to say there weren't screens behind the others, y'know?

[@maskofthedragon]

@@PlaguevonKarma Having a seemingly rare artifact be equipped to move all day, while it's supposed equals aren't implies it's the outlier The games themselves never implied Arcanine was anything special and the Anime's opening had the Legends + Mew appear in rapid sequence

[@Materialist39]

back to da old you

[@kenshiro8984]

i think rapidash looks more like a normal/fire candidate than arcanine, but then again it would simply outclass arcanine further

[@PlaguevonKarma]

Aye - this was about fixing Arcanine rather than Rapidash

[@crystalkirby]

Can Flareon not use Double-Edge? I used it once during a randomised playthrough and it was fair! 130 attack is nothing to scoff at, even if it's... Still Flareon 😂 I'm not saying it's good though, let's not lie here!

[@PlaguevonKarma]

It can, but it's 100 Base Power in RBY, which is a significant drop compared to the 20 you see today. The consistency of Body Slam and finishing-off ability of Hyper Beam are far more useful in RBY. In later games and maybe Stadium, you would probably use it, though.

[@crystalkirby]

@@PlaguevonKarma Ah... Yeah, there is that too. I was going to say it could maybe deal with Jynx but then we have Hyper Beam! I forgot Double Edge was buffed more down the line (Mostly cause you never really see it). Poor Flareon only got worse over the years huh 😢

[@shadowtitanx3962]

@@crystalkirby Even worse: It lost Superpower to smash the Rocks in Gen 9.

[@crystalkirby]

@@shadowtitanx3962 The lil guy really gets no breaks huh 😬

[@jarrodharvey5873]

Why is your GameBoy colour displaying in black-and-white?

[@PlaguevonKarma]

Because TGBDual is old lol

[@LuwiigiMaster]

Fire and Fighting have been consistently awful types. It wasn't until Elon Musk's internship at Game Freak during Ruby and Sapphire did he have an 'This is Elon Musk' moment and combined the two for Blaziken, which had the distinction of being the best Pokémon of either typing. Game Freak then went 'Apes together strong' and just made until the end of time, instead of fixing their inherent flaws.

[@TestName309]

Did you repost?

[@PlaguevonKarma]

It was unlisted in my RBY Bytes playlist - I forgot to set it to Private before release. This is its first public post.

[@discordmodder8846]

Great intro meme

[@pentagonyx]

Cool video, but I heavily disagree with the notion that Arcanine is a legendary. >China is retconned to not exist in Pokemon- it'd be named something else. >While this is a kinda weak piece of evidence- Legendaries never evolved until Gen 7. Not once. >No idea what you meant by "numerous forms of media showing that the *Legendary Birds* are not legendary" at 0:56. Who the heck is sayin' that they're not legendaries?

[@PlaguevonKarma]

I said that Arcanine's legendary status had been retconned early on, like, plainly in the video. These days China is called the East, which I also showed with a dex entry. East is also used to describe where the Treasures of Ruin came from. Legendary historically has implied a Pokemon is a single entity that controls an element. I was noting that the birds have been shown in multiples a lot of times, implying they could be seen as not, or that Legendary simply means extremely rare Pokemon. At the end of the day, Legendary seems to be a term Game Freak simply slaps onto a Pokemon. There's no reason for Solgaleo and Lunala to be Legendary - they're just Ultra Beasts in practice - but they're called it anyway. Same principle with Koraidon and Miraidon. That's really all it ever has been, if you think about it. The idea of Mythicals splitting from Legendaries is a recent thing too. Arcanine was **directly called a legendary in the official material I showed**, so for a period of time, it was. That's just...how the term works. Pokemon was a tiny game made by 30 people back then, it's nothing like how it is now. My personal interpretation of that lore was that Arcanine must have been Legendary in China, because of it being accessible in Kanto. Likewise, you could interpret the multiple Legendary Birds and so on in a similar way. Note that Arcanine wasn't the only thing called Legendary in that book - the Dragonite line was too. Pseudo-Legendaries were proper back then too! Just a different time.

[@fitzyakamcsyke]

I like leaving random comments on videos. This is my random comment.

[@lpfan4491]

Gamefreak:"Hey, why don't we allow tradebacks to the older games? The playerbase for sure will have a lot of fun with the diffrent moves." Playerbase:*Bans tradeback*

[@blakeschwab7518]

fire types have bad match ups in gen 1 and on top of it only moltres has good special, unless something is slipping my mind lol. Edit: flareon and ninetails special is decent

[@terraSpark902]

All their special stats are above average

[@Michael_Dominic]

wabbit season

[@veghesther3204]

Yes Fire types suck and Charizard isn't any much better in Gen 1 same with Vulpix/Ninetails both suck IMHO the only good fire type is magmar and you get it so late in Gen 1 its pretty much useless.

[@frrf3252]

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[@keiharris332]

ha ha wait till moltres reads this

[@Malamockq]

You mumble and slur your words too much, and it sounds like you're wearing a mask. You're just too hard to understand.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

I guess it works for the character? Hahaha

[@Malamockq]

@@PlaguevonKarma It didn't work for Bane, it sure doesn't work for a YT video.

[@PlaguevonKarma]

Mehhhh

[@frrf3252]

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