High Porsche Values Aren't Going Away Anytime Soon. 5 reasons Porsches 911 values won't be dropping

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[@diegomarin1316]

I just got my allocation for a 911, still a 992.1 do you recomend to take it or should i wait for the 992.2?

[@diegomarin1316]

Is a turbo s

[@louKushh]

300k for a turboS. wtf, porsche and it's customers have lost their bloody minds!

[@louKushh]

@@jeffreykilpatrick3592 anywhere in England. just get yourself a 992...

[@dbp1926]

Well yea, after you drive one…well not so much the TS, but the GT3

[@biffbifford402]

Exactly. As a former 996 owner, I went the C8 HTC route and i no longer feel gouged.

[@louKushh]

@@biffbifford402 smart move. drive your cars; don't play bitcoin investor with 'em!

[@biffbifford402]

@@louKushh I’m into crypto way more than anything else. 🤣

[@gilbertferguson1685]

Good points. I own a 2017 911 Carrera, and recently have gotten several emails from my dealer wanting me to come in and get an appraisal on my car, then consider a newer used car, or order a new one. Since I only put around 6000 miles a year on the car, I don’t plan to let it go anytime soon. Thanks for the info.

[@stu4181]

You know when dealers are doing that it’s not for your benefit 🙄 I had a mate who bought an m850 he had it a year and bmw dealer rang him up and said we will buy your car back for what you paid for it, he was all ready to go and trade it in (it was when waiting lists were at their longest) luckily for him he was telling me about it and I said to him they are mugging you off! Look at the prices of everything else around it. (He soon changed his mind when he saw an m8 was not 135k with no reductions from list) The dealers weren’t calling people up to come in when they had waits and people paying overs, now the markets cooled they are hastling you to get in 🤔

[@The_Ultimate_Driver]

I am a 30+ year BMW owner/enthusiast whom purchased my first 911, a 997.2 over two years ago. My Porsche dealer service experiences have been absolutely stellar in comparison to any BMW dealer service I have ever had. I am so delighted with the Porsche dealership service experience that I am leaving BMW slowing, but surely.

[@keithrichards-io5db]

I’ve had positive experiences at Porsche dealers too

[@GuyMiddletons]

Interesting video. I'm in the UK, you're right, you can't compare the markets. The reason the market is slowing down so fast in the UK, which you did touch upon, is because interest rates at Porsche are now 12% apr. Plus we had another 10% price increase a few months back with 14% on options. Not sure if that was worldwide? Strange, as production costs were falling as it happened, but Porsche wanted more margin. At least they are honest. The two combined have made a huge difference to the overall ownership costs. I was looking at a new 992 Carrera, just a few options, it was £89k, at the start of the year, same spec is now £104,000. Finance before price rise and interest rate hike was... £89,000 £20,000 deposit 48 x £751 Final payment £46000 Now... £104,000 £20,000 deposit 48 x £1438 Final Payment £47000. So price up £15,000 but residuals only £1k more, combined with interest rates at 11.9% is making it almost double to buy it if you are using finance. Combine this with people's energy bills now double (Thanks Biden and Ukraine for blowing the gas supply pipe into Europe! haha) and mortgage rates up from 2% to 5.5-6% meaning many people will have seen their mortgage rates go up 50-60%, food bills up nearly 100% over the last 4 years, inflation at an all time high because the country who is the reserve currency can't stop printing more and more money out of thin air, and our government did the same during the pandemic, and people are starting to really feel it. And it is the middle class that is getting hit hardest, all over leveraged, while interest rates were low they didn't pay down their debts, they bought more and more shiny things on credit. Well, now the squeeze is on, many can't afford the Range Rover Sport for the missus (on finance) while they have their Macan for daily duties and the 911 for the weekends (all on finance). I think you would be amazed at the average household income of Porsche buyers in the UK vs US. It is something like $110,000 pa vs $300,000 pa in the US. Suddenly, people just have not got any money spare at the end of the month. Also, residual values have always been around 50% after 4 years on Porsche before 2020, suddenly they were more like 80-90%. So loads of people bough them because it was seriously cheap motoring, costing about the same as a 320i. Now that we are back to them depreciating like normal those who were pretending they could afford them.....well....they are not buying this time around. The UK is a very different market, over 90% of all new cars are financed, and to be fair it often makes sense, borrowing cheap, residuals high, you could be in an £90k 911 for £750 month and then get your £20k deposit back at the end. The reality now is you will pay £1500 a month and wave good bye to that £20,000 deposit and throw the keys back. Hence new car sales are through the floor. Until interest rates come down, or Porsche subsidises them there is going to be stock racking up in dealers. BMW offering up to 20% off new X and M Cars at the moment and 4% apr. Porsche need to follow suit.

[@1000davidcole]

Well written

[@georgeyung3546]

You are completely right. But People in the UK and USA have short memories. Because before 2008 crash the interest rates was around 6 to 7%. And for 15 years the interest rates was around 1%. Now the interest rates is around 5.5% , UK folks are feeling the pain. I don't believe the interest rates won't hit US folks. US income tax is more than the UK.

[@stu4181]

Could have done a video yourself 🙏 Really liked the real world figures you put up demonstrating the extreme rise in monthly cost. Jay -emm pointed out on a recent video that due to the increase in interest rates even cars with 10-15k off their price still cost more to buy these days. I can’t see how things won’t drop a bit further. I can’t see interest rates dropping much if at all below 5% base rate for a good few years now personally. Wish I’d done more research into historic base rate, I believe in the last 50 years the average is about 9%! Should have locked a 20 year mortgage deal in at 2.5% 😂

[@GuyMiddletons]

@@stu4181Haha, thanks. I was telling everyone to lock in a 10 year mortgage during 2020 when they were available at 2.1%. Can't just lock the world down, give out billions, print even more trillions and not have any thing other than super inflation, which in turn gets them all panicked and putting interest rates up. Porsche increasing prices by around 12%, lower residuals (now the bubble has burst) and 12% apr is going to hurt. Don't panic too much about interest rates, they will be sub 4% again by end of next year imho. Inflation is already falling in many sectors, in fact, many are seeing deflation, but that is on products being ordered that we will not see in the marketplace until next year, the problem with the Bank Of England and other central banks is they are looking at outdated data, the last quarters figures tells us sod all, the reality of that is products and prices then were mostly costed in 6, 12 or even 18 months before they were being sold. Many things that went up 20% during the lockdowns are back down again, not 20%, but 10 even 15% in some cases, but like I said, we won't feel that till next year as they are not going to hit the market place until then, but even a 10% dip is still deflation.

[@stu4181]

@@GuyMiddletons I locked in a 5 in 2020 should have been braver 😂 Hopefully you are correct and another year and they will be somewhere near 4% Would you make a cheeky offer on the next step up house wise now and just get a short term mortgage which will be painfull for a year or so then re mortgage when rates drop and you’ve then got the house cheaper??

[@IIVVX]

Agree, just bought a manual buckets 991.2 GT3 because I got tired of waiting on the sidelines for prices to normalize.

[@palakat77]

Haha im in the same boat, just bought 991.2 GT3 6spd as well! Cheers!

[@chrisGT3T]

me too. I love my 991.2 GT3 Touring.

[@DxModel219]

i got a 991.2 Turbo s cab for the same reason

[@keithrichards-io5db]

Me too. Was after a 992 gt3, couldn’t get it- got a manual 991.2 and love it.

[@davidbradley6356]

Great video!! I have a 2016 GT3 RS and I simply love it.

[@cp4512]

They’re already dropping fast! RS models have already dropped tens of thousands of £ in UK since summer, and all models have been hit hard. The confidence in investing in Porsche has been lost so investors are dropping the cars, and the prices will drop to what enthusiasts are willing to pay and can afford.

[@VK6AB-]

Depends where you live and in which country you live in. I see a lot of 991.2 and 992 3.0L twin turbo models on the market in my jurisdiction along with a disproportionate number of both 991.2 and 992 Turbo and Turbo S models. The models that are holding well are GT division cars (any of them) and to a lesser extent other NA models. Even in the GT market there are real trends, very large spread of prices on 992 GT3 and the ratio of 992 GT3 to 991.2 GT3 on the market is 2:1.

[@andyjackson5404]

This is the first time I agree with you. Simple arithmetic regarding supply vs. demand. A true sports car in my opinion is naturally aspirated and has three pedals on the floor. It’s Porsche with the win for me … just my $0.02

[@Phoenix-ix4nh]

It‘s the same as people hope that rolex price model failes… they can wait forever

[@samwisee]

I think new cars will come down some, at least for the non GT trims, but we are not going to get 20-30% drop. A 10% drop in prices might be a good for the market. I think Porsche really wants to make enough 911 and set the msrp so that dealers are not going to be able to put ridiculous markups on them anymore. Even the GT trims Porsches are making so many of them they really should not be considered special edition anymore. At the end of the day a small correction is going to be a good thing. But no way the prices are going to crater, especially for the used car market. The new 911s msrp is so high now that it is going to drag all the used car prices up - A brand new 911T loaded will cost more than 140k MSRP… that’s more than a loaded GT3 from the 997 era and like 50k more than the equivalent version (black edition) from 2010. Result? Used 911 have plenty of headroom to stay “relatively”expensive… because it is cheaper (and more accessible) to get into one than the new ones. And this brings me to my final point as to why older 911 won’t see much (if any) price drop - This whole “newer is better” really don’t apply to 911s - each generation of 911 offers a different driving experience so 911 fan would actively seek out older versions and pay a premium for them. The only 911s I can see would potentially be impacted by any reduction in 992 prices are the 991.2 generation, but again, the MSRPs on the new one has gone up so much with the 992s the 991.2 looks like a relative bargain even at near MSRP after 5years

[@impslap7620]

I agree with all of your points, save for one. If Porsche really wanted to make more 911's they would. Dealer inventory is currently overflowing with Macans, Taycans and Cayennes so the "supply chain" excuse is moot.

[@ericmiller6135]

Hey buddy, great video would love to see a small short update for 992 911 S & T models thanks

[@pierredebug17]

Informative video, thank you. Having done both the Ferrari and Porsche thing, the key difference is not in performance but supply: around 10k Ferrari vs 40k Porsche 911 per year. So in the end, a handbag from Hermes has the same function as a handbag from Louis Vuitton, but the price is different. Some people prefer one brand and feel better than in the other car, which is cool. Enjoy both in good health.

[@De132an]

The last dealership I went to wanted me to buy a Porsche watch just to get on a list for an allocation on a ‘25 cab4S. WTF?

[@danielneal264]

911 prices aren't coming down until you can find new base and S models sitting on lots. We are quite far from that.

[@Nicholas-d2l]

Have 4 911’s 1970/77/97 turbo/ GT2RS haven’t lost a dime yet….the first 3 are up 3-500 %

[@MWS1960]

I’m not a fan of the 992 and the turbo driven Porsche’s and the reason why I own a 991.1 naturally aspirated engine…racing yellow with glass roof. My dream car since the age of six when I watched a series on English TV of a guy driving a 993 whale tail in racing yellow. I now live in Scottsdale, AZ, where Porches are plentiful. I get lots of thumbs up and this car will be with me for a long time. ❤️❤️❤️❤️👍

[@mg-by7uu]

Other cars sure are dumping (including the Taycan) but i doubt GT cars ever will. Doesn't matter i will never sell mine

[@dinotom1]

1. Happiness with dealer, irrelevant to COLLECTIBLE Porsche values. 2. Regular 911 or other Porsche models used car weakness also irrelevant to COLLECTIBLE Porsche values. Low production, high quality Porsches are doing well for the past 3 years, and maybe due for a flattening, but over time will continue to climb higher IMHO

[@MrSchn3ll]

I agree, those talking heads are basing this on their ill-informed feelings. This brand caters to a different customer that is insulated from the market fluctuations. I'm on my 4th Porsche (992 Carrera T manual), a few I bought with cash so interest rates aren't an issue. Dealer treatment depends on the dealership - I've had nothing but great experiences and I'm a regular guy. The cars are designed to do everything, and Porsche is the most valuable luxury brand in the world now - these prices aren't going anywhere. In addition to dependability, you have a vast dealer network. I live 5 miles from my Porsche dealer - 90+ miles from Ferrari, McLaren and Lambo dealers. No thanks to spending my whole day servicing a car. Hold onto your manual 911's, I know I am.

[@Aaronozard]

In the UK ... prices of Porsches are tanking. People who don't want to believe it are dreaming. World economics are having a massive impact on the supercar market

[@s.gharavi1614]

It'll happen in the US in the next 6-9 months.

[@CARPB147]

​@@s.gharavi1614- I hope you are right because I'd be a prospective buyer, but simply will not do it at these insane speculator prices.

[@simonelliott5956]

I’ve been driving Audi RS cars for the last 10 years and their dealerships are simply terrible, didn’t stop me buying 4 in that time.

[@morganvon5664]

Sadly, I'm experiencing what you say. Trying to find a used 992 is very difficult. And the few that are on the market are priced like new cars, if not even higher than sticker. 2018 GT-3's are selling in the 180 - 200k range. And 991.1 GT-3's are rare to find. I'd happily pay 150k for a clean one.

[@alb3096]

Imagine what happens in France with that crazy ci2 taxation. In 2019=10500€, 2020=20000€ 2021=30000€ 2022=40000€ 2023=50000€ 2024=60000€ Plus the regular vat of 20% Plus regular paper taxation 1600€ for a S and you can imagine that on that market the depreciation is almost not existing.

[@emerckx53]

Great and accurate video. The right models (GT and low qty builds) have been on a 12% increase for 20 years. They control their inventory and branding too well. Much like Rolex. I personally have made 30-120K on every GT model I have owned.

[@brianhimmelman420]

Balanced factual video vs the hater fear baiting UK video … appreciated

[@s.gharavi1614]

They're already dropping. Wise up.

[@dbp1926]

My delear so far has been amazing

[@MrCyberamp]

Excellent video! I am glad you made it because this is exactly how I feel about the market, and I bought my 992 GT3 😂

[@MWS1960]

I hate my north scottsdale dealer. Crooks for sure. I use a third party and is absolutely excellent on cost of repairs. My used 991.1 had a CPO warranty but the healer ship failed to complete the CPO checklist

[@MoogTheOne]

They're a horrible dealership. I've had much better luck with Chandler.

[@DougSlmon]

❤😂😢😮😅😊 I like Porsches since I was nine or 10 years old I rode in my cousins Porsche and ever since then I was hooked on them and I love them but I don’t have one yet. I’m thinking about getting one in two or three years or I can work for someone that has a shop and do some work and then save that way in the Porsche the best and forget the rest

[@bdoggery]

Great video! In the picture collage of 991.1 GT3's my former car is in the bottom lefthand corner. I recently traded it for a 718 GT4.. Why did I do that? The 10 year engine warranty is expiring in January of 24!

[@decoriumjohnson2085]

did they replace the engine or the original engine I heard and read the replacement was rock solid?

[@bdoggery]

Oh the G6 is solid but my car still had the E series engine. The only way you get a replacement is if the engine goes pre warranty expiration. Outside of the warranty period could be a 6 figure out of pocket expense that I wasn’t prepared to deal with.

[@Nord_Mann]

Every lame duck dumping their car now is just a clown. Don’t do what everyone does. Do the opposite.

[@MriyaVR]

Exactly that

[@user-1500HP]

Didn't Porsche just recently that they are reducing new car prices ? Won't that have a knock on used car prices ?

[@KOFIV77]

how much of this applies to Canada? how well does the Canadian market track with the US since there are many 992 turb S and S that have been on the lot for 100+ days in Canada. Hence my question what was the average days on was a Turbo S or S or even GT3 on the lot before Covid and during covid compared to now...? is it the same. a little more or a little less? I think we are all being optimistic in increases and decreases. This has been a very strange market with many thinking a Porsche or any vehicle is an investment.... and this thinking is changing will continue for a while.

[@Driven-Productions]

Great content, I agree watched whole thing my man. Porsche is still hot, only car I desire right now.

[@ianhardin1148]

Thanks for another great video. Though my lightweight wallet sobs that these beauties will continue to be WAYYY out of my budget, your reasons made a lot of sense.

[@stu4181]

A question I ask myself is 991.2 GT3 or a Ferrari 458… or even a 488 could probably be had for a newer 991.2 gt3 price….

[@DxModel219]

I see a record number of 992 for sale on autotrader and it’s gonna get even higher because the buyers market is very weak right now.

[@s.gharavi1614]

The Porsche fan boys are delusional

[@Ethanf2107]

I totally agree with your perspective. People just want porsche to fail...... Ain't happening sorry 😁

[@keithrichards-io5db]

Question- you note that for the $ the gt3 for example outperforms same $ Ferrari/ McLaren exotics But what about the new corvette z06. Less expensive same or better performance than the gt3 Don’t get me wrong- I own a gt3 and don’t care for corvettes but I must admit the new z06 looks to be a real challenger for Porsche

[@palakat77]

Corvette can be 3x faster, will still look past it.

[@Car_Mo]

@@palakat77 Corvette once had personality, then it had an Italian make over and now it's just another brand for people who want to be seen outside the local Starbucks in something that looks like a stealth bomber. It's great that GM finally learned how to turn a small block into more than 400hp, but the new Corvette is the result of market research, not passion and engineering.

[@ES175jazz]

They will if we have a financial crisis.

[@Rudenbehr]

Porsche drivers calling the Ferrari California ugly are funny

[@CARPB147]

Call me funny then 😂

[@jamesnunez2455]

Fax super ugly

[@Bill-u6k]

Well sir you obviously have a vested interest in making this video as you are a Porsche owner and don't want this to happen and well... I don't blame you. It all depends on the economy. NO ONE knows what will happen in the future. If people stop buying luxury items like this, then values WILL come down. I have been looking at gt models for about the past year and I can already tell that these cars are sitting for longer. Back in the summer, every time I found one it was gone before I could even inquire about it. Now I have porsche salesman calling me everyday and blowing me up trying to sell me GT3s GT4s, etc... back in the summer this didn't happen.

[@pierrekronbert6741]

You get more soul and fun with a good looking R35. And you can use it without thinking that you should loose any money. If you are afraid of the money then you can not afford a expensive car. How fun is it to drive if you are going to think how much it’s worth. Boring poor people.

[@edblair5253]

Got myself a deal 35 percent less now 5hen 2h2n this video was made for a Gt3

[@chenglo8999]

SF90 is in a difft league. Just put them next to each other and open your eyes.

[@roadrash76]

I’ve got a 21 911 S with a 7-speed. Love that car and don’t care how much it depreciates. It’s my dream car since the 80s, and i’m keeping it long term. But informative video.

[@Graz23]

sf90 vs gt3 comparison is so stupid

[@DougSlmon]

Do you have a GT three

[@DougSlmon]

❤😂😢😊 which Porsche do you have 991, or in 992

[@the_track_enthusiast]

They are plummeting right now 2/1/24. Sorry but you’re wrong

[@sangh1120]

I hope 996 some what holds value…

[@Aaronozard]

Another KZbinr talking the market up 😂😂😂😂😂

[@biffbifford402]

7:55 - I’d offer the C8 is the great value here. Not the 911. The C8 has 495 hp and a convertible hard top that opens in 16 seconds. Looks great and handles wonderfully.

[@blueberrycobbler]

But, at the end of the day it’s always a Chevy. And the looks of the C8 is hardly great looking, they’re trying too hard to look like a Ferrari and it comes off as not ready for prime time. Minor league status.

[@kerosenefilms]

Watching prices drop, lol.

[@s.gharavi1614]

Porsches can't touch Ferraris. Even Porsche knows that. Let's get serious.

[@cartergarnon6299]

Porsche’s especially all of the GT cars and Turbo S’s are absolutely going to to lose 50% of their value over the next 3-4 months. If you have one, you should list it for sale at a 25-30% discount and then reply to this comment with a link to your listing. Owners of 964’s and 993’s need to be even more worried. If you have one of those you should probably just drop it off at my house. You’re welcome.

[@jameswillard1]

😂 this is the funniest comment 👍🏻

[@mspartybootdeutschlandgmbh1301]

No Problem. We GT 3 owners all do not care. We enjoy our cars and life to the fullest 🎉

[@KOFIV77]

@@mspartybootdeutschlandgmbh1301For heaven's sake!!! please drive it until the wheels fall off.... you get another when you get to heaven...if not you go the other way and are forced to drive a Lada...

[@keithrichards-io5db]

🤣

[@DougSlmon]

❤😂😢😮😅😊 Ferrari sucks Corvette sucks Lamborghini sucks Porsches the best and forget the rest. Keep up the good work and you and your family. Have a nice Thanksgiving and a good week.

[@Porschession]

Porshaaaa 😂

[@billtev9846]

The main reason Porsche will go up in value is that the company has decided not to sell cars through dealerships but sell directly to customers.

[@brainofjjj]

😂😂

[@jameswillard1]

Hahaha, no idea what you’re talking about

[@KOFIV77]

please explain. Do you think Ferrieri will ever go this way....? If Porsche wants, they customers to customize (where the money is) then internet is the wrong place unless they are going to send a specialist with every option in semi to the customer's house...

[@jameswillard1]

@@KOFIV77 none of these manufacturers are going that way. Uneducated people think that manufacturers are upset at dealers charging over MSRP and playing games with allocations because they pretend to be concerned for appearances but the reality is dealers are independent entities that have the freedom to do what they want….you may have even noticed the S in “MSRP” stands for “suggested” meaning just that, suggested. Manufacturers dealing directly with consumers has a ton of negative aspects and very few positives. I won’t get into all of them because I’m sure nearly nobody is reading this but suffice it to say manufacturers selling directly to consumers is in no danger of happening.

[@KOFIV77]

@@jameswillard1 Do not disagree at all. People don't seem to realize it is a business.

[@DougSlmon]

❤😂😢😮😅😊 what Porsche should I get I was thinking about a came in or a boxer first and then next to get a 991 or a 992 Porsche there’s no substitute, but Porsche and Porsches the best and forget Corvette, Lamborghini and GTR Nissan those three suck porches the best

[@theclutch19]

Wow... biased much? Your videos are advertisements...

[@TheMadmax0609]

Every car is going to tank in value in the next couple of years.. Porsches aren't special and they aren't immune. Oh, and just FYI, ANY CAR will hold its value if you don't drive it. 🤣

[@G82Watts]

Say that to EVs. The model s plaid lost 60k in value in one year. Not a single EV hasnt depreciated. U know why? They are "tech" cars ans with tech comes newer tech. Soon enough they will be worth nothing. Porsche isnt going to drop in price because soon enough they will go hybrid and people will always want a naturally aspirated engine straight line v6 not a hybrid.

[@TheMadmax0609]

@@G82Watts apparently you haven't been watching all the videos that have dropped on KZbin about how Porsche prices are tanking. 🤔 Go to autotrader and look at how many GT3s and GT3 RSs are for sale. I thought that car was supposed to be rare and special? People are dumping them because car values are tanking. Porsche isn't special and it isn't immune. A 10-year-old 911 Turbo looks exactly the same as a 2023 yet the price increased from $138,000 to $216,000. Horsepower only went up 150 👈🤣, yet somehow Porsche convinces about 300,000 idiots a year to purchase their product. 🙄

[@G82Watts]

@@TheMadmax0609 150hp in terms of porsche hp is more then u think. I can tell right off the bat u have NEVER experienced what a high end porsche feels like too drive. I pray one day u do. You'll understand trust me cuh. And the new front end vents look really good. They always do suttel things to make it look different while keeping the design EVERYONE loves except u I guess. Then again I always see u defending teslas so I guess ur just someone that can't afford these type of porsches and hate on it. I live in Florida idk if ur in the US. I'm just checked and gt3rs there's 11 listed and they are selling for 290-340k. So u either don't live in the US or ur lying. Just like this video said they are PREDICTING A DROP. Drop hasn't happened yet and like I said people will want the last full GAS cars made by porsche. Gt cars are all still 70-100k above sticker. The targa gts is 50k over sticker. All 992 models like the turbo s targa gts are above sticker rn. Only the 5 year old 991s are FINALLY dropping down in price. I've watched countless videos of people begging for a GT allocation just look it up. Everyone is waiting in line. Ur just making shit up cuz teslas are depreciating by 60,000 $ in ONE YEAR. No one wants em. Look up sold tesla plaid and listen to all the issues and people saying how much better handling and breaking their porsche or bmw was. Only people that have never experienced a real high end luxury sports car likes them. U talk about gt3s not being cool? If u showed up to a car meet in ANY porsche vs a tesla you would get WAY more attention and people asking about ur car/taking pics. I've seen teslas at car meets collecting dust in the corner. After 5 years the old 991 versions are finally dropping in price. Wow. Who knows bra maybe in 50 years they will be the new classics

[@TheMadmax0609]

@@G82Watts dude, I live in Orlando, Florida if you go to AutoTrader right now and type in GT3, GT3 RS you will see there are 491 available Nationwide. So tell me how people are waiting eagerly to get an allocation when there are so many available on the internet. 🤣 Maybe you should do your homework before you start spouting useless crap. 👈😘 I've driven Porsches, I remember back when they used to be fast. Tesla took care of that And it took them less than a decade to do it. If you love buying overpriced underpowered cars, that's great. You're probably the same guy who paid $13,000 for the William and Kate Pez dispenser. 🙄 Do your research before you post so you don't look so ignorant.

[@TheMadmax0609]

@@G82Watts oh and just FYI, there were 487 available last week.. seems as though more people are trying to dump them. 😉