Arcelin Mousqueton: An 1850s Breechloader with a Ludicrous Bayonet

[@Masada1911]

“Ludicrous bayonet” that is a funny way to spell “magnificent bayonet “ Ian.

[@jerryjantola]

I love sabres. I love muskets. Now I can officially confirm that combining those 2 things only makes them better.

[@tenofprime]

now I want to see a sawback version of it just to make it that much more over the top.

[@robosoldier11]

"Sir I do believe the Japanese have taken the field! Who else would use such long bayonets?" "Dear god Watson it isn't the Japanese! Its the French!"

[@Furzkampfbomber]

Have you seen Ians video about that british smg that had _two_ bayonets? I think this gun here could need a magnifinecent second saber as well. One simply can not have enough dakka... and sabers.

[@Masada1911]

RocketSurgeon That is an explanation I can buy

[@glennotropolis]

“Thiz is ze bayonet” “Thats not a bayonet, mounsier, THIS is a bayonet”

[@TheInflicted]

Ce n'est pas une baïonnette.

[@charleslindberg829]

Nice comment. Here's a thumbs up 👍

[@Siddingsby]

You call that a bayonet? THIS IS A BAYONET

[@MrDirigible]

Japan: but do you put them on anything besides that musketoon?

[@michelguevara151]

> * [the last one's with a heavy southwestern accent] *I think they issued them to cook brochettes with*

[@dsedh23]

This gun is for when you are hired to be a musketeer and also a pikeman at the same time.

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

Isn't that why the bayonet first existed for?

[@hendrikvanleeuwen9110]

*lancer. It's a cavalry carbine.

[@Korppis]

theehee polearm with xtreme poking range :-D

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 it was used for the Palast guard. Pikeman*

[@QuantumMech_88]

@Alf - Excellent comment .

[@dutchplanderlinde4845]

“That’s 65% more bayonet per bayonet.”

[@Anthrolithos]

Thank you, Cave Johnson. "Do you know who I am!? I'm the guy that's going to burn your house down!! WITH THE BAYONETS."

[@RavingRaptor]

So at what point does a rifle becomes an attachment to the bayonet and not vice versa?

[@jamiec5565]

This pair plus one inch to the bayonet looking at the relitive sizes

[@calvingreene90]

When you mount that bayonet on a M-4.

[@lunkystraydog6572]

This is my long swords rifle attachment.

[@HugoEckener127]

They should put markings along the length of the bayonet so you know how many feet of bullet drop you'll have to account for by the time the round gets that far down the blade

[@MrYfrank14]

bayonet with a carbine backup.

[@whatisbestinlife8112]

"Ceased using them because they were poking holes in the ceilings." Trolls are not an internet phenomenon. They've always been with us.

[@planescaped]

Many kids know what is like to ask their dad a question and get a preposterous answer because he didn't want to say "I don't know" Little does dad know that now every kid on the playground thinks the groove in a sword is for gathering the blood... Then you get misinformed adults who swear that's the truth because they have believed it their whole life, though the ease of looking things up on the internet has led to a decline in those types, but not as much as you'd think.

[@lapinmalin8626]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/enKWh6aDqcp0rs0 :)

[@30cal23]

@@lapinmalin8626 EXTERMINATUS

[@nomms]

There was shit posting in ancient rome.

[@crackwitz]

that's regular mockery. that's different from trolling.

[@undo9981]

French guardsman: "I want a spear that I can shoot with."

[@undo9981]

Boomstick? neeh that's a boompole

[@Trashcansam123]

I mean thats effectively what muskets were for a long time.

[@NemoNiake]

Adeptus Custodes :)

[@themeanestkitten]

@@NemoNiake i was thinking the same thing 😄

[@TN-ci4ox]

@@NemoNiake a man of culture

[@PROkiller16]

As stupid as it looks, this does solve the issue of how would a dismounted cavalryman would be able to defend himself without also giving them a bayonet to attach to their firearm.

[@dejjal8683]

could also be used as a lance

[@mr.numbers5968]

I doubt it. If you stuck the bayonet in someone while at high speeds on a horse, it might break, bend, or just pull the gun out of your hand.

[@ProjectThunderclaw]

@@mr.numbers5968 that's an inherent risk with any lance, although your master of arms will probably be more cross with you for wrecking a whole rifle than a sharp stick. But it's not worth it anyway, because the way you have to couch a heavy lance (tucked into your armpit, arm bent) means you wouldn't gain much reach over just holding the sword with your arm fully extended

[@johnkelinske1449]

@@mr.numbers5968 Probably not, more likely it would knock the rider off the horse.

[@johnkelinske1449]

@@ProjectThunderclaw Remember what happened to Capt. Walker in Mexico? "Boys, forward and don't flinch a foot, I know I'm dying but don't give way."

[@J3TF1RE]

Ian looks so ridiculously comfortable holding a sword.

[@Kickthelighter]

Its the 3 musketeer facial hair. Lol

[@thegunfoogle2864]

Ian is the kind of person to pop out around the corner with an epee and say 'scaramouche douche' when somebody tries to mug you close to a museum.

[@udednow]

He looks V E R Y french, I'm sure he's to handling long sticks Don't be mad y'all, I'm a descendant of Napoleons sister Fun fact: France developed the 'modern" ambulatory system

[@BleedingUranium]

I'd love to see a "Forgotten Swords" spin-off series hahaha

[@johnsmithwesson9996]

@@udednow Well he looks like a stereotypical French person. But he honestly looks way more American than French

[@a4channoob]

"Affix swords" "You mean bayonets?" "You heard me"

[@lieutenantkettch]

"Fix swords" is actually the command to fix bayonets in British Rifle Regiments, dating back to the time they used the Baker Rifle and its sword bayonet.

[@just4laughs76]

@@lieutenantkettch High port, Check sword

[@brainfat1]

For this combination the next command should be "Form pike squares!"

[@kleinjahr]

@@brainfat1 No, they're cavalry, so, Couch lances and charge!

[@Dja05]

For when you want to stab some dude, but there's another two dudes in front of him.

[@iuploadherebecauseimnotbuy7236]

Omg dude I nearly died from laughing, epic.

[@MiniPainterGamerDadD20]

And there's a pesky field separating you.

[@ispacedesign]

Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude, stabbin' a dude, behind anotha dude.

[@ZOGLaboratories]

When you are out of ammunition and yet wish to perforate the gentlemen in the next village over

[@lieutenantkettch]

“So you've signed up for the cavalry. Do you wanna be a dragoon or a lancer?” “YES.”

[@sigma_frenchie4075]

can even be a hussard with it lmao

[@SlideRulePirate]

It was always gonna happen but at 8:30, after having had the requisite facial hair for years, he finally goes 'Three Musketeers' on us.

[@iododendron3416]

You mean the three musquetons?

[@SlideRulePirate]

@@iododendron3416 Yeah OK we can let him skip a couple of centuries.

[@loicbazin1053]

It would be fun to see him dressed as a king's musketeers with modern weapons at a competition. Or see him do a mach with a machlock

[@ducomaritiem7160]

I reloaded a muzzleloading pistol once, on horseback. During a reenactment battle in Coudekerque, Belgium, I got the most relaxed horse ever from Filmhorses. So, during a charge from us, the Cuirassiers, I shot into the Redcoats ranks, galloped back, reloading the pistol during gallop, went back in a charge, firering again. The horse knew what was going on, because every time I cocked the pistol, he layed his ears flat! So, reloading on horseback is possible, but mostly impossible.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I bet that a good military horse of the time would be used to gunfire and would lay his ears down. I understand that most of the guided-hunt horses in the US are also used to hearing gunfire.

[@Nerdnumberone]

Still, reloading a muzzle-loading pistol is a bit different than reloading a muzzle-loading longarm, even a carbine.

[@micahreid5553]

@@Nerdnumberone Most cavalry units would have a carbine and a brace or two of pistols, or a brace of revolvers later, so they would have access to as many danger beans as possible before having to go hide somewhere and reload. So it would be possible to use your carbine first, toss it in the scabbard and then go to using and reloading your pistols

[@itsapittie]

@@ScottKenny1978 I've dabbled a bit in cavalry reenactment and cowboy mounted shooting and I can confirm that most horses do pretty quickly learn to associate the cocking sound with the soon-to-follow gunshot. The good ones lay their ears down, the unsuitable ones flinch. With a little exposure most horses can learn to stay on the job but a few just aren't ever going to be suitable for the purpose.

[@itsapittie]

@@GerardMenvussa some reenactors and mounted shooters put tampons in their horses' ears so they don't hear the shot as loudly. Most shooters and horses don't use hearing protection but the blanks used for mounted shooting have much less "concussive" effect than an actual cartridge. The effect is much more like fireworks than gunfire.

[@-----Alcatraz------]

Meanwhile the Japanese are looking at their katanas going "hmm... what if"

[@hemidas]

Didn't they make a Nambu/katana combo in WW2?

[@UXB1000]

@@hemidas They did, but just one example - a Type 14 with a katana blade - although the gun was non-functional. I think it was an Imperial Japanese Army officer's personal weapon.

[@jrb8955]

I don't think japanese people will mess with their katana because of their much respect to weapon

[@jazzmaster909]

French: makes long Bayonet Japanese: puts Bayonet on everything Match made in heaven if you ask me

[@hailexiao2770]

@@jrb8955 Not a real katana of course, just a generic shin-gunto

[@bruensal7182]

This is the false title. Real title: *Ludicrous bayonet: An 1850s bayonet with an arqueton musqueton breechloader*

[@loganb7059]

Somebody took the term “sword bayonet” a little too seriously.

[@MadNumForce]

Technically, it's a "sabre-lance".

[@blackdeath4eternity]

@@MadNumForce no, sabers are curved.

[@simpsondr12]

@@blackdeath4eternity Are we really arguing with 19th century Frenchmen?

[@blackdeath4eternity]

@@simpsondr12 to argue we need to have a back & forth & i think if they are 19th century hes prob dead. :P

[@AndrewAMartin]

@@blackdeath4eternity I believe that sword would properly be called a rapier, but I could be mistaken.

[@henrya3530]

Something you forgot to mention... The space between the plug on the end of the bolt that pushes home the cartridge and the interior of the breech is a deliberate design feature. Normally, in black powder firearms having an air gap (particularly between powder and ball) at the breech is a very bad thing. It creates an area of higher than normal pressure which can distort or even burst the barrel. However, in this weapon the area of higher pressure is created *behind* the charge thus blowing any unburnt remnants of the paper cartridge down the barrel which makes reloading easier. A similar feature is seen on the Dreyse needle gun. Unlike the Dreyse, once fouling makes operating the bolt mechanism difficult there is Plan B - you can still use this gun as a muzzle loader :-)

[@Pcm979]

It must've been nice to get a complimentary rifle with your fancy sabre.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Right! Can't even get damn Irons on a rifle these day! Lmao

[@kaasmeester5903]

Manager: "I want you to design a cutting edge weapon" Designer: *presents firearm with 4 feet of cutting edge attached* Manager: "THAT'S NOT WHAT I M... oh screw it"

[@eduardocharlier7560]

Ian should do a crossover episode where Matt Easton and him discuss bayonets

[@Bearpilot_01]

That would sure be awesome! Please make this happen.

[@kleinjahr]

In the proper context, of course.

[@WolfKenneth]

OMG please do! Ian! Matt @scholagladiatoria !

[@iain3713]

Eduardo Charlier hell yeah

[@Alpostpone]

Episode will be composed of Matt taking ten minutes to say that bayonets were used on battlefield.

[@captainscarlett1]

As a student of classical Japanese martial arts, I say this is an awesome weapon. A big pointy blade on a solid hefty stick. You couldn't ask for more. Not goofy at all. Tiny little sticker on an M16....now that's goofy.

[@PatrickNiese-sn6fs]

Kinda reminds me of a nagimaki.

[@danieldeak9141]

Gunsmith: Do you want a gun, or a lance? Some guy: YES!

[@jabloko992]

ugyanitt bojler eladó

[@JPR3D]

You know, as funny as it looks with a modern perspective it actually make perfect sense to have a Saber that you can fit like a bayonet in order to get enough length from a carbine sized rifle to be effective against a man up on a horse. For the time that's a rather simple and logical solution.

[@thumba-umba2699]

"DRIVE ME CLOSER! I WANT TO HACK THEM WITH MY SWORD!!!" (c) Unnamed Imperial Comissar, 382.M39.

[@Alpostpone]

With this, you don't need to drive any closer.

[@dylankornberg4892]

That’s the most ludicrous bayonet I’ve ever seen. I’ll take your entire stock.

[@alexguymon7117]

Would you be able to cover the Tabatière rifle series? They aren't as well known or available in the United States as say the Snider Enfield or Trapdoor Springfield and I'm curious to see how it exactly functions. It also apparently has a fairly unique cartridge.

[@offdeadeye88]

I have one thats been converted to 12g black powder

[@pierrekvt5786]

Hi, sorry for my approximate English, i am French, and passionate by the second French empire. And I fall in love of the "cent garde" batallion. This bataillon was created in 1854, the same year of the "treuil de Beaulieu" creation, this weapon was only use by cent garde. So I have a doupt on the link between the arcelin and this batallion. The arcelin was more use as a prototype for cavalry (dragon). But already, thanks for making video on crazy weapon which take part of a global evolution.

[@DualDesertEagle]

Now this legit dropped my jaw and I went like "UH!" Holy crap, I did expect a LOT from the title, but definitely not THAT!

[@georgebulbakwa9017]

That is freaking majestic. Not sure how practical it would be but majestic none the less.

[@junichiroyamashita]

You know,in my youth i had a" bayonet craze", loading everything in front on a gun to make a bayonet,a knuckleduster,a trench knife,a kukri, and,a saber. I remember those ideas as ludicrous in real life,but it seems i was proven wrong.

[@Casshio]

A knuckleduster? I mean how does that even work?

[@Tunkkis]

@@Casshio Like a mace, I suppose.

[@nolanolivier6791]

Ehehehe... some of those ideas are still ludicrous.

[@junichiroyamashita]

@@nolanolivier6791 well there was also the tanto bayonet,the axe bayonet ,the spear bayonet,the circular saw bayonet, the halberd head bayonet.. and so on.

[@johan.ohgren]

@@junichiroyamashita wow, you're parents must've been so terrified..😂

[@llamallama1509]

For when you want to melee the enemy outside of their effective musket shot range.

[@bobc1911]

"That's not a bayonet .... this is a bayonet!" Sorry, just had to.

[@taiko729]

"Mick, give him your sabretache" "What for?" "He's got a bayonet"

[@ehsnils]

@@taiko729 Have a Donk instead.

[@lunkystraydog6572]

Lol

[@John-doe955]

You’re lovely

[@pandabuluk]

Louis Napoleon III: "That no bayonet. THIS is bayonet"

[@TheCouchCommando]

Silly Ian, that's no bayonet, that's just mechanical AN/PEQ analogue, shows how France were concerned with target designation even 170 years back

[@lexmen1089]

Funny how you said that while your pfp is an cadian lmao

[@ray6442]

It's amazing how you still find guns to make videos on. Love getting home to see a new forgotten weapons video, you're awesome Ian!

[@trblemayker5157]

9:23 That bayonet would be right at home in Warhammer Fantasy.

[@TheGreegles]

FOR SIGMAR

[@samsowden]

frankly it wouldn't be out of place in 40k either xD

[@trblemayker5157]

@@samsowden Is that a Death Korps reference?

[@immikeurnot]

Most bayonets: "Turn your rifle into a spear!" This bayonet: "Turn your rifle into a naginata!"

[@penttikoivuniemi2146]

More like a nagamaki.

[@Riflelock]

My guess would be stabbing the ceiling of the guard room or guards shack.

[@mytiliss682]

Imagine going through low doors with this. You have lean gun forward or backwards, first looks dangerous, second is uncomfortable.

[@Riflelock]

@@mytiliss682 Not pleasant I am sure. I would be courious when they would fix bayonets.

[@jamesparsons5212]

That is actually a really cool piece of firearm history. Thank you Ian. Always a cool and informative video. Keep the great videos coming. Much respect from Jacksonville, Florida.

[@ordinosaurs]

To be fair, considering French politics of the days, I suspect at the back of Arcelin's mind the unusual length of the bayonet was more for crowd control of civilian protesters than to be used in actual warfare against cavalry.

[@davidlacoste]

That's more the 3rd Republic than the 2nd Empire.

[@wraithwyvern528]

That's French politics since they've stopped calling themselves the Franks

[@ordinosaurs]

@@davidlacoste considering it was created barely 6 years after the 3rd revolution in half a century and 3 years after a coup to restore the Empire, I stand to my guns, so to speak.

[@MirejeLenoir4670]

@@davidlacoste The empire was just more efficient thant the republic at repressing social unrest. The third republic was known for allowing more freedom of press and freedom while the second empire was stronger on propaganda. The republic just couldn't get away with repressing social movements as easily than Napoleon III could.

[@BRBMrSoul]

@@justforever96 ya, and it was for cavalrymen, maybe was idea but think they know horse alone is often enough for crowd control ;) Ain’t no person winning that fight.

[@krayne-ddg-pmc]

For when you're such a gentleman even you're gun carries a sword

[@MadNumForce]

The original Arcelin sabre-lance had a blade called "à la Préval", that is a very hollow triangular cross-section. This kind of blade had been designed during the reign of Napoléon by the general Préval, who had commanded various cavalry units and ended up in the artillery, and considered the line cavalry sabers of the time were too heavy and not stiff enough, so he designed this blade and tried to get in adopted for decades. Several times it almost happened, but another design always got the preference. The sabre-lance Arcelin is the only official weapon in French service, or the only hollow triangular blade saber ever officially adopted as regulation, even though it was for the tiniest prestige unit that wasn't meant to ever see combat.

[@MrPanos2000]

Indeed! Preval blades were very popular with colonial French officers, who were known to purchase non regulation custom swords

[@Riceball01]

The blade design likely came about because Preval wanted a blade more optimized for thrusting. From what I understand, during the Napoleonic wars, the French favored the thrust over the cut. So in order to maximize your swords thrusting ability you'd want to make your blade as stiff as possible aNd a triangular shaped blade does this much better than traditional flat cut and thrust blade.

[@58jharris]

You might think this looks silly, but I can see the logic behind it. The sword can be held in the hand and used as a normal sword, or you can attach it to the gun and now you have a spear or lance. On horseback, you can outreach an opponent armed with just a saber and on foot you can outreach one with a regular bayonet. It seem like it could be a very effective combination of weapons with sufficient training.

[@tomandtinadixon]

'This is what I've been telling you guys '- Phillip of Macedon

[@russellthompson8414]

I took your advice and went to the museum last November. I will need to go a few more times. It was worth the drive.

[@Mixu.]

I thought this would be a sword with a gun inside haha

[@mistakenotou7681]

It actually exists kzbin.info/www/bejne/jX6qapKMiJebhNk

[@alexmaurice4274]

@@mistakenotou7681 woahh

[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

Kinda like the Pritchard bayonet for the webley, except the other way around. Hit a switch and the muskatoon flips out

[@gworfish]

It sort of is....

[@davidcolter]

Forgotten Weapons: "here is a silly sword on the end of a gun" Scholagladiatoria: "but in context...."

[@fast_richard]

This would have been a great subject for a joint episode with Scholagladiatoria. Scholagladiatoria is a sword expert who also knows something about guns. Ian is a gun expert who knows something about bayonets.

[@Vespuchian]

Getting Matt's opinion on this sort of thing would be an interesting follow-up video. I wonder if he follows this channel.

[@donjones4719]

@@fast_richard Thinking the same thing. Oh, I'd love to see his opinion of this thing - it doesn't look good for use as a sword. And he also knows how to fight with a pike, spear, etc.

[@F1ghteR41]

@@Vespuchian Matt said he's a subscriber of this channel on stream a while ago, as I recall. Then again, as far as I remeber he've mentioned this sword-bayonet in one of his videos already.

[@apokos8871]

Scholagladiatoria-Forgotten Weapons video when? this combo of musketoon and saber is just the perfect thing to discuss

[@svenblubber5448]

*sword Sabres have curved blades!

[@Col_Mustard]

@@svenblubber5448 nope. Sabre. Sabres can be straight, although that's less common. They're defined by their single edge, while a sword has two. At least that's the french definition, maybe the Perfide Albion has another one.

[@svenblubber5448]

@@Col_Mustard Nope! Straight edged swords with one edge are called backswords! The only straight edged sword called "Sabre" is the "Patton Saber", and that's only called that because all it's predecessors were curved, so when the army ordered a new sabre to be designed they expected something curved. When the new design was straight they just didn't bother changing the name, but out of context, no sword expert would call it a sabre, and it remains an oddity and exeption. As a rule the general definition of a sabre is considered a curved sword!

[@HellJustFroze]

_"So, are you a musketeer or a pikeman?"_ *"Yes."*

[@Gabcocacola]

When you wanna stick a bayonet on someone but you also apply social distancing.

[@joshp2542]

My two favorite era's of firearm design is early semiautomatic rifles(including bolt action conversions) and early breach loading designs. Keep up the great work, this is an incredible channel.

[@stephengalindo6340]

I'm waiting for Ian to design the perfect rifle. After looking at so many weapons I can only imagine what he would come up with

[@DevinMoorhead]

WWSD2020

[@DaveTex2375]

Presenting the AR-FAL-47 with grenade launching bayonet.

[@polygondwanaland8390]

@@DevinMoorhead WWSD, but with this bayonet

[@DevinMoorhead]

@@polygondwanaland8390 exellent

[@Iwillfigureoutanamelater]

@Devin Moorhead I find it fascinating that Ian and Karl went with a 16” barrel for the WWSD2020. I can’t remember the reasoning behind it.

[@Verdunveteran]

Cool! I actually have the point of a Sabre-lance du Mousqueton des Cent Gardes mle 1854. It was found somwere on the First World War battlefield in the Verdun area, stuck in the scabbard of a Berthier carbine bayonette. The back end of the blade sticking out had been cruedly hamered into a tang for a grip. The artifact was found and given to me by a friend of mine. Very cool to see you talking about both the mousqueton aswell as the bayonet for it in this vieo. I've heard that these bayonets were shoretened at some point in time. Somhow one of the points cut of during this shortening process found it's way into the hands of a French poilu to be used as some sort of trench dagger.

[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

Only Ian would find a totally obscure muskatoon that hardly anyone knows about and go on to show that they have the wrong ridiculously long bayonet for it. I love the details

[@DaveTex2375]

Ian: Ludicrous Bayonet Me: Ok... *sees bayonet* Me: You do not disappoint!

[@spot1401]

....and now mount the whole thing onto another rifle as a bayonet...!

[@aloadofbollocks988]

Under-barrel backup breech loading rifle.

[@mistakenotou7681]

@@aloadofbollocks988 better than under barrel zip22

[@mikeoxlong1395]

No, silly, you mount this rifle, bayosabre and all, onto a cannon and you ram it into the enemy.

[@Red_Beard2798]

When you have to defeat terrorists at 3 but have a Civil War Reenactment at 4

[@super5oldier139]

On the end of a full length mosin

[@gloin10]

There was a saying that "Sooner or later, someone is always tempted to turn a perfectly good self-loading pistol into a bad submachine gun." This seems to be more a case of someone not being able to resist turning a perfectly good heavy cavalry sword into a bad pike....

[@gillesdupouy8357]

"What is important to make a good army guys ?" Germany : "the highest technology available" Russia : "the best logistics and mass production" France "FANCINESS"

[@georgepal9154]

I appreciate the build-up in the attention to detail here on how such a seemingly small leak can result in catastrophic problems. I also find it hilarious that you pronounce Mousqueton with a french accent, but not Carbine, since it's also a french word.

[@ukaszgrzesik7231]

I see oportunity for another epic crossover here, with Matt Easton of Schola Gladiatoria

[@matthayward7889]

The grip and basket on that sword are just gorgeous! I thought the Baker rifle’s sword bayonet was pretty impressive until I saw this!

[@hehe3301]

This is a really cool rifle that would be really interesting to have a modern reproduction of!

[@pixelbucket8884]

Arisaka with Katana attachment.

[@Dread_Not]

I'm so happy that in tumultuous times I can come to this channel for the same type of content and calm chit-chat in the comments. Thanks to everyone, Ian most of all.

[@Zeppflyer]

If Doug Dimmidome had a gun with a bayonet, he would also have one so long that the end was out of frame.

[@UXB1000]

Did someone say... Doug Dimmadome? As in the owner of Dimmsdale Dimmadome?

[@coltenmeyer2775]

The doug dimmadome?! Thats the owner of the dimedale dimmadome!

[@sharonrigs7999]

This gun is a thing of beauty. Gorgeous machine work!

[@dragomirschippenbeil7168]

I love how Ian is dwarved even by just the bayosaber alone

[@ChuckNorrisIsNothing]

Now there is a weapon class i would want to specialize in...

[@1101agaoj]

:D perhaps the BEST review I've seen Ian cover, Merci !

[@staguar]

"You got your bayonet in my lance!" "You got your lance in my bayonet!" Two great stabbies that stab great together

[@henryrodgers7386]

This... actually makes sense. The Palace Guards of any nation have two roles: crowd control and defense. This thing looks rather intimidating, and can be used as a polearm of sorts against enemies on foot or on horseback. And in it's intended role as a cavalry arm, well, there's a reason why lancers stuck around (pun intended) throughout most of the 1800s. Because long pointy things and short shooty things are very useful to those who insist on riding a perfectly good horse into battle.

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

*Sound of Japanese scrambling to see the bayonet, followed by mass swooning*

[@mistakenotou7681]

What's the deal with Japan and bayonets?

[@donecoin33]

mistakenot ou suicide charges

[@Rabhadh]

@@donecoin33 were they suicide charges when they worked?

[@lairdcummings9092]

@@Rabhadh since those charges generally *didn't* succeed, yeah, they were. It was a very similar mindset to that of the French in the first months of WWI, where it was thought that elan, and a bayonet charge, was enough to carry the day. Machine guns were very, very rude to that outlook.

[@kurumachikuroe442]

Rabh No, then it is glorious melee combat

[@johnmorgan1629]

Excellent example, for its age and to say it would've had some use when made (even if only relatively light) as well. That bayonet/sabre looks to be another superb example, in its own right.

[@christempest8476]

Gun maker: What size bayonet do you want? Napoleon: Yes

[@daetslovactmandcarry6999]

_“¿That? That’s not a bayonet…”_ draws full on cavalry sword _“THIS is a bayonet…”_

[@vincentrempel1603]

I feel like this should be on Matt Easton’s channel. Still awesome to see here👍

[@jonathanyaeger2289]

Were this Matt’s video we would have learned the swords weight, length, PoB, and context Instead we got “ridiculous” 4 times.

[@carlmcmuffin7443]

@@jonathanyaeger2289 stfu, it's much more interesting to here about the history

[@nolanolivier6791]

CROSSOVER EPISODE!!!

[@nolanolivier6791]

@@jonathanyaeger2289 I suspect that Ian and Matt would get along 'swimmingly', as they say. Also, Captain Context would have a considerable degree for potential contribution to the discussion of bayonets on InRange tv...

[@albertoa.r.5886]

Do we all watch the same channels? ;-p

[@TheAtomicCross]

Together, they make a ridiculous combo. Separately, that is a handy little carbine, apart from the fouling issue, and a beautiful blade on that sword.

[@sneakysnek2185]

British soldier fixes his forge, French guy "oh ho ho you think that tiny stick gonna protect you" attached sword to rifle "engaurd"

[@daviddavid5880]

Man I love this show. Keep up the awesome work. Thanks so much.

[@jackmcslay]

We need to get skallagrim to create an analog to this musket with the bayonet and test it's effectiveness

[@iain3713]

No Matt easton

[@JanoTuotanto]

Unscrew the pommel...

[@killerkraut9179]

i think isnt that bad

[@marcfournerat4754]

"Hopefully you guys enjoyed the video..." Oh Ian, I don't think I've ever not enjoyed one of your videos, but this one was simply fantastic. Uploads like this are why I love your channel.

[@wraithcadmus]

You know for modern ceremonial guards a silly-long bayonet like that is probably way more effective at giving drunks/tourists/protesters pause.

[@ScottKenny1978]

The Buckingham palace guards seem to make do with one hell of a shout.

[@Kojak0]

Interesting. However, look at the bayonets the British used on their early rifles in WW2 - they were also quite long, albeit nowhere near as long as this monstrosity. There is however a good reason to use a very long bayonet, and it's not the obvious reach you get, but a long bayonet is friggin' intimidating - there is a chance the enemy - armed with a rifle with an attached butter knife - seeing something like this and just turn and run. Considering the handguard on this, I'd say the thought was that it could be used as a straight sabre as well, and using those were quite common overall back then - earlier, the Swedish Carolingeans used swords with their more modest bayonets attached to their muskets as a backup and second weapon, and presumably preferred way to deal with enemies up close instead of the more clumsy bayonet.

[@Xarthis]

I wonder what Matt Easton of Schola Gladiatoria would think of this...

[@Giloup92]

He would say : the blade is straight, so it is not a sabre, but a sword.

[@jonc8074]

length, penetration, context and breech loading pommels

[@torianholt2752]

@@Giloup92 No, he would define a sabre by it's hilt.

[@hjorturerlend]

Look up his videos on cuirassier swords. He has a section on these, tho there these were originally designed to be lances.

[@F1ghteR41]

I think he mentioned this devious implement in one of his videos, but I think he'll say something along these lines: this sword-bayonet might be a decent compensation for shortening the barrel length in the era of more lance-heavy cavalry (see P1907 bayonet for SMLE), when your only hope on foot is a recently invented (and rather unreliable) mitrailleuse and a trusty bayonet. *However,* this is a poor sword in itself, since it has an asymmetric brass guard, overly bulky pommel giving it a balance of a rapier while having a blade of a backsword.

[@jamesranger6283]

Great piece. i understand how visually intimidating the rifle and saber would look In the hands of a palace guard at that time.

[@rageofheaven]

The perfect blade for a 6' genetically engineered super soldier with mommy issues.

[@TheBananamonger]

Who are you referencing?

[@DaLkalts]

you might want to add a few feet , if it's mom Everest you're talking about

[@EdTheMole]

I've got to say you look pretty good with that saber in your hand like you were going right a saber duel or something.

[@AppleBiscuits]

Can't wait for the sequel where some genius sticks a Zweihander on his musket.

[@mbr5742]

The german answer to this?

[@jabloko992]

Germans gonna stick a Zweihander on an artillery gun, so even if it runs out of ammo, it can still be used as a battering ram.

[@OKimcallinit]

Poking holes in ceilings, maybe not. But walls and door frames seem likely.

[@tedariesdaguro6517]

Would you prefer to carry a bayonet or a sword? French cavalry: yes

[@danbraun3780]

Been there a couple of times; need to go back. Thanks. Very interesting.

[@Acin75]

"The French copy nobody, and nobody copies the French"😂👍

[@494Farrell]

"Would you like the new cavalry unit to be lancers, dragoons or hussars?" "Yes."

[@MichalKolac]

Indeed

[@ludgy7278]

do they need to open the paper cartridge first before putting it in? or the flash from the cap burn the paper?

[@aesbj9228]

That crossed my mind as well. Would like to know.

[@axelpatrickb.pingol3228]

Latter...

[@lairdcummings9092]

The primer flash ignited the paper.

[@yocapo32]

The paper is burned alongside the powder

[@gresvig2507]

Yeah, I would like to see the cartrages. I know a lot of paper cartridges had an outer layer of tough paper you pulled off before loading, and I think (?) they were running with nitrated paper by then, might be wrong. So even if the flash didn't get through the paper you'd still get ignition after a quick hangfire. Honestly, though, those old percussion caps had dangerous amounts of fulminate in them, so I imagine that flash is gonna punch through quite a lot.

[@randywatson8347]

Stay safe Ian! What a fine condition example.

[@boboayame2065]

The bayonet probably increases the maximum effective range of the weapon though

[@davidharing6475]

I....I never thought I would see a bayonet longer than the gun it attaches to.

[@ianfinrir8724]

What a time to be alive.

[@foughtstatue1023]

For context everyone, Ian is 5’10

[@bigDbigDbigD]

Loading a firing cap while on horseback looks like a dangerous proposition. awesome bayonet.

[@michelguevara151]

thinks me : "in the case of miss fires?" Ian : *"you have to tap out the cartridge through the back of the breach"* why doesn't this appeal to me?

[@rautavaara9194]

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