Archaeologist responds to Graham Hancock | Ed Barnhart and Lex Fridman

[@LexClips]

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[@kevint1910]

...we actually know how the Egyptians moved all that stone and no aliens or mystery advanced civs were required. The Coptics celebrate it every year in fact it is called the Djed pillar it is a gigantic capstan made of a tree trunk. Up at the top the pillar had three smaller capstans separated from the lower working taper and wound with three ropes two in one direction and a lighter line at the top wound the opposing direction. The pillars sat on rounded bottoms nestled into concave bowls carved in stone plinths and lined with copper sheeting with a notch in one side to introduce lubrication oil. The upper part was supported by wooden beams and posts to brace it up right. The simplest and least powerful working set up would have been to wind the load rope round the base and draw it taunt then crews would take the two upper lines wound the same direction and a crew would take the load rope and all pull together in three separate directions rotating the capstan drawing the load forward until the drive ropes were drawn all the way to their ends at which point the load rope is slacked while crews pull the third rope to wind the two drive ropes back on to their capstans after which they take a new bite and start again. again this would have been the least powerful configuration to increase the power you would simply add more pillars and use them to pull the drive ropes with the crews manning them rather than the main pillar. the amount of leverage available by this means actually well exceeds that required to pull the blocks all the way to the top of the structures as well as moving them from the quarries to the work sites. I was astounded when i ran across the vid documenting these things and the most shocking part is that the Coptics have known all along and told people about it and were totally ignored by the "experts" to the point that Hancock felt the need for all his magical what have you to account for the missing pieces....so whose fault is it really? Hancock or the thousands of researchers who remain oblivious to what the Coptics , the actual people who built the damn things had to say about it.

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Agree to disagree like gentleman. This is the way. Shame on Flint Diddle for being so obnoxious.

[@silverygrey7919]

The flood myth and convergent engineering may be accounted for in the book Hanlet's Mill and the skywatchers trajectory from which agricultural civilizations come to measure time and engage in very deep star gazing and contemplation feom which myyh, religions and world views emerged among the peoples of the world.

[@jgillettejukebox]

You know one piece of the puzzle they leave out is the fact that our government and others have admitted that UFOs exist and are real. They are having congressional hearings on them. Not that being said if all these ancient civilizations have creation stories depicting ufos and their inhabitants then its plausible they could have been here the whole time. Now Im not jumping to aliens. The lost civilization Graham talks about could be the ones in all the ufo lore from history. Thats more plausible than aliens. Just saying ufos have to be added in the mix now.

[@SirWap71]

...Here's a theory... Imagine an advanced prehistoric civilization that used Wood and Stone, but imbued it with properties that made these items more than their sum, for a limited period? Would an archaeologist today, find a lightbulb from say 50,000 years ago, if it was just a stone now, but the properties that made it glow were lost 49,999.90 years ago? Look at our civilization and think how quickly we have gotten to Gene manipulation from hunter gatherers, within 5000 years. If there was a lost civilization in our pre-history, it would account for many of the anomalies we see today. The few earliest 'reliefs' (paintings/carvings) depict people with what Archaeologists call 'pinecones' (Sumerians and Egyptians) when the pine wasn't indigenous to the African Continent. It is indigenous to the South Americas though, the same places that have numerous similarities in the way their people used astronomy even making their religious tombs the same way (pyramids). The humans of today barely scratch the surface of what pre-history was and the technology they commanded. In my opinion.

[@andrewgivens8496]

okay, this guy is great. finally someone that disagrees and isn't condescending or obnoxious.

[@seankelley3033]

It's almost like Joe Rogan hand picks an idiot to go 3 on with and make graham Hancock look good.

[@siyem2051]

⁠@@seankelley3033The withholding of information at Gunung padang and its recent discoveries are making this guy and any of your mainstream look like clowns 🤡

[@jool5941]

Stop being such a sensitive weakling. Mean words hurt your feelings?

[@harryhayward4841]

“finally someone that disagrees and isn’t condescending” is a bit of a foolish sentiment, graham has been extremely obnoxious and condescending in his theory’s and when you look at his evidence it’s literally all open to interpretation, it’s not that hard to imagine multiple society’s popping up unconnected especially after widespread farming becomes the global norm

[@Skiddla]

"okay, this guy is great. finally someone that disagrees and isn't condescending or obnoxious." this

[@lnuchbox]

"As responsible scientists, we are trying to disprove our theories." What an amazing quote. I like that a lot.

[@BrandonPerry-m5k]

"""If we're busy burning books of ideas we don't like, thats where we close our minds to the possibility of advancing things."""

[@Auromaxis]

Nice quote but it is beyond false for 90% of scientists

[@willi1397]

It's literally the basis of the scientific method. It should in no way be surprising or amazing to anybody with a high school education... and yet it is. 🤯 The system is failing people.

[@mmhmm9271]

It's called falsificationism. Have a google

[@bsting601]

All real scientist work that way ! Like 99% of them

[@ministabber4927]

Graham Hancock Thanks to Ed Barnhart for his open-minded and respectful position on my work. The feeling is mutual. He and I spent a couple of days together at Palenque filming a sequence for Ancient Apocalypse, Season 2. It was a privilege to spend time with him. ( no need for hate when you don't agree on some things )

[@lobotomize9708]

I think you have presented a plausible alternative view with significant evidence.its the depictions of people with those little bags all over the world that make me believe your view ,I wish we could find out what they are for that would be great clue to any answers.keep up the good work iam a massive fan ,read all your books and catch up on any appearances on media you have put decades of leg work in and that counts for something,you should be listened too ,It would be great of we could get a program with you and a critic going to all these places and seeing their answers .

[@AG-ur1lj]

⁠​⁠@@lobotomize9708 bro, this is a copy/paste quote. C’mon man

[@FredrikSkievan]

@@AG-ur1lj He's an uneducated and lobotomized Glaswegian. Give him a break man, how was he supposed to know ministabber4927 isn't actually Graham Hancock.

[@oO-_-_-_-Oo]

( no need for hate when you don't agree on some things ) a lesson for us all

[@AG-ur1lj]

@@oO-_-_-_-Oo comments on the Hancock interview beg to differ

[@1Dreamking]

"If we're busy burning books of ideas we do not like, that's where we close our minds to the possibility to advancing things." - Ed Barnhart Brilliant!

[@MichaelShulski]

Who burnt a Graham Hancock book? Why see him as a victim?

[@1Dreamking]

@@MichaelShulski 1. Nothing in that sentence makes Hancock a victim. 2. Noone is talking about physically burning books. 3. It is about not beeing close minded. To allow ideeas to flow freely and be met with discussions/arguments. 4. Many great advancements has come from people that has dared "thinking outside the box" to put it simply.

[@WaltzingUndead]

Someone should show DeSantis this quote.

[@AJHart-eg1ys]

​@WaltzingUndead Why? He didn't ban a single book. Parents just kind of have a thing about what's in a school library, and he responded. Any Floridian can get any book the rest of us can get.

[@beelzebobtheinnocent1659]

To destroy a civilization, take away its history. Mainstream archeology has been most effective at this deception, now the truth can no longer be hidden they pretend the deception never happened. University educated idiots pretending because they spent years learning misinformation that they know more than actual practitioners, or worse the history Channel using the bible as a reference, what a joke

[@landorslam]

Every single archeologist has that exact shirt lol

[@josemadrid2913]

He’s probably got the right pants on as well

[@astronemir]

Lmao 😂

[@mineralt]

Same belly too 😂

[@1320crusier]

They are issued that shirt when they graduate from college.

[@Bushodai]

They had it to you when you receive your diploma.

[@dylanbarney3290]

This guy is a light in the dark. Thanks for having him on!

[@martinandrewsnz]

This type of "agree to disagree" discourse with no anger or vitriol is so refreshing

[@phoenix-sound]

That’s a danger to our democracy, you must be censored 🤬

[@mdmoto-adventureresearchers]

It’s called academic argument.

[@AnthroJoe]

Tell Graham to stop boosting Dan Richards.

[@viktoriyaserebryakov2755]

@@mdmoto-adventureresearchers It's called being an adult.

[@toneloke454]

Yeah Dibble needs to take this advice, the dude is a narcissist and a daddy’s boy. He so butthurt at the prospect that a person could prove any of his daddy’s work to be wrong or incomplete. He also has pronouns in his Bio…. He also resorts to calling people racist when he runs out of cowardly slander to throw at them.

[@lokhtar]

Love the discussion without insults!

[@jool5941]

Whiny crybaby doesn’t like mean words.

[@nr1NPC]

Why are WEF (World economics forum) want us to not excavate Göbekli Tepe and Kaharan Tepe? And why did they plant trees over Göbekli Tepe? Why did they say its for future generations to research and not us? Why are they trying to cover it up? Same guys with the slogan "You will own nothing and be happy"

[@VibeMusicAI]

Oddly the only person who typically has insults is Graham

[@smorkx1286]

Graham should try it some time

[@iAmLordYaYa]

It's amazing in 2024 that we have to be grateful for an emotionally neutral, logical convo lmao

[@JohnEarlyChannel]

Best response and tone to Graham's theories I've heard yet.

[@Senjinone]

Lets be clear about one thing: Graham Hancock does not have any theories. He has hypothesis. There is a huge diffrence.

[@guneytopal7076]

@@Senjinone True, a theory atleast has some solid evidence to back it to an extent whereas Hancock's ideas dismantle relatively quickly once you think logically.

[@Manbearpig4456]

⁠@@guneytopal7076 Hancock believed people arrived on Easter island prior to the archaeological fairy tale. He has been proven correct. Did you think logically about that one?

[@guneytopal7076]

​@@Manbearpig4456 you said a whole load of nothing. Archaeologists have stated time and time again they are still unsure how, when, and why the Easter Island statues arrived on the isolated island. Recently it is believed that the Tui Tonga Empire and more specifically the Rapa Nui people are the builders of the Moai. Perhaps explain your (or Hancock's) point rather than saying he is right and saying a bunch of nothing to back up your statement.

[@Manbearpig4456]

@@guneytopal7076 according to flint dibble your completely wrong. He has a video on the peopling of Easter island. Then there is all the archaeological literature that says your wrong as well. According to you they don’t know when they arrived so why is Hancocks opinion that they were there over 12,000 years ago incorrect if as you said they don’t know when they arrived?

[@aaronwieman8368]

You can respect others and disagree as shown in this clip. Sadly we have lost this as a society

[@saiayincoby4675]

No we haven't lol maybe in the usa only

[@conradswadling8495]

lost by the globalist left, mainly

[@JoaoCosta-ly1sw]

@@saiayincoby4675 It’s all about family values. People who are raised right can have intelligent and sensible discussions even with disagreements. But people from broken homes and unhealed trauma just tend to infect everything they touch and it’s impossible to have a constructive conversation with them.

[@MichaelWalker-de8nf]

Getting hundreds of thousands of people to question sound archeology and science over crackpot ideas does not deserve respect. This is part of why half of american society is obsessed with conspiracies and f***ing nonsense explanations for things they don't understand or don't agree with.

[@MichaelWalker-de8nf]

​@JoaoCosta-ly1sw so in response to a discussion about archeology and crackpot ideas, you squat and drop this little gem. In the spirit of science, I'd like you to present your DATA to support this. My guess is that this is more of a "feeling" than science, just like Hancocks bullshit.

[@briansmith2616]

I really miss the civility humans used to exhibit. This was a fine example of better days.

[@PrivatelyHanging]

People ain't that bad if they weren't chasing tools (money) like it'll set them free somehow..

[@psyched-studios9444]

I think that this civility has always been expressed by some people, but for all of human history most people have not been able to use such. It’s those who can, and choose to do so in groups, that shift the paradigm and move the world forward. We are here now not because humans in general used to exhibit civility, rather it’s because luckily some people did and did so with excellence. We can do the same, it’s as easy as a choice.

[@briansmith2616]

​@@psyched-studios9444I agree with you, I was speaking in general terms but worded it poorly. People are generally nastier than in years past. Very little tolerance shown to those with different views on things. As an example, I used to have friends with many different political views, but not anymore. I like to think I haven't changed, but maybe I have. It's hard to get through the chaff the MSM floods the media landscape with. So maybe it's inescapable and the powers that be want people divided.

[@MegaLaban12345]

When.

[@briansmith2616]

​@@MegaLaban12345Maybe you aren't old enough to remember that you used to be able to have different options without being labeled as a racist, fascist, xenophobe, or canceled in some way.

[@MiThreeSunz]

It’s refreshing to see someone like Ed be respectful toward Graham. Both men are pursuing their ancient civilization hypotheses from different angles. As an analytics scientist, I understand Ed’s approach in using empirical data to prove or disprove a hypothesis yet I’m intrigued and enamoured with Graham’s fascinating theories. 🇨🇦

[@Beholderost]

Yes we all love sci fiction. But we don’t pretend it’s science or real.

[@RayCromwell]

I'm sorry, but the idea that because "everyone has a flood myth" implies some common civilization is absurd. Everyone lives on the earth, many parts of the earth flood, humans invent explanations for things they can explain, and before science, those explanations involved spirits, entities, gods -- that is, myths! People want to believe that a flood that wiped out their village or crops had a *reason*, did we anger someone, and they punished us? Likewise, to call all of the megastructures pyramids is bogus. Many of them are mounds. But again, it's like saying "all throughout the world, people built walls, and made them into houses, and put a roof on them. PROOF of ancient common civilization!" Well, no, you can build a primitive structure in only a few ways, either a lean-to, a triangle, or a rectangular shape are the minimum geometric stable structures that you can build, so it is not shocking to see commonality anymore than it is shocking to see the Wheel reinvented. Or cutting stones, bowls, et al.

[@gojes22]

Now if Hancock’s supporters would just stop harassing people.

[@TheOddSnake]

⁠@@Beholderostquick question. Is Gobekli Tepe SciFi or is the data wrong about it’s age? Qualifying all theories that differ from the mainstream theory (which as Ed said in this video is just a theory since FACTS are very very rare kn this field) as SciFi is the reflection of close minded individuals…

[@Loopsinasquare]

This is how we used to discuss other ideas, wasnt it refreshing

[@brandonwood8971]

most white people always have noble civilized conversation. Neil deGrasse tyson and zaheed hawas on the other hand...

[@kael13]

Actually it's always been a case of people calling those they disagree with lunatics. Just like the guy said. Trying to have an open mind is more recent.

[@dfrntlvltc5095]

The matrix has you 😂

[@escape1777]

This is how we used to discuss other ideas? When?

[@brandonlawrence5851]

@kael13 lmao open minded discussion is "recent." im sorry but that's just such a wacky freaking opinion man idk lol

[@bra-o-bra]

Theres something so calming and refreshing about hearing a person be measured and self critical.

[@parrydox.gaming]

Beautifully spoken response to questions by a fellow anthropologist. Always stay open to everything, but don’t let yourself fall down the rabbit hole that leads to one grand conclusion.

[@wendytweedie2327]

I didn’t think GH is an anthropologist. He’s a journalist. And I think he takes a lot of credit for other people’s work. However he does know how to tell a good story!

[@TheVinceLyons]

Call Dana White and setup duel in a Mayan ball court

[@Mr-E.]

That would have been a superior idea to the Sphere for Mexican Independence Day

[@jesiah391]

BIIIIINNNNGOOOOO

[@karsonmapes]

each may have 1 god of their own choosing

[@carlos6126]

😭😂

[@XxxXxx-dc3ud]

Nice

[@EndlessEnergy]

'Agree to disagree without spitting any venom' ^^ If only this would happen more often.

[@Gen7486]

‘What happens when there are next to zero blacks in the culture… just saying.

[@kennybachman35]

@@Gen7486yeah, no cops.

[@IndependentThinker74]

Just remember Graham threw the first punches at the scientific community.

[@КонстантинИванов-д1д]

it doesn't happen more often because graham handcock is constantly: 1. playing the victim 2. blowing things out of proportion 3. actually slinging insults at academia and academics How do you expect a civilized response to that ?

[@matthewsmith5374]

@@Gen7486bro you’re all over this thing talking about black people, you’re a sick kid man. I hope you get straightened out one day.

[@gabrielgago6945]

This guy right here is the kind of person we lack nowadays. People you can actually have a normal conversation with what you agree and disagree and learn from each other and sometimes correct someone with false assumptions, without sounding pedantic, condescending, and utterly obnoxious, like 99% of people on social media. SM could be awesome if people would behave like regular human beings.

[@npb3287]

Gotta say Lex has gotten his podcast dialed in. Experts in any and all fields, comedians, pop culture figures. He really is just able to let people have a voice and I'm here for it

[@lachlanmills8081]

I agree, he actually let's people speak as well unlike Joe 😂

[@AJHart-eg1ys]

Now if he wasn't so awkward and borderline creepy.

[@CancelledPhilosopher]

This is the best criticism of Graham Hancock that Ive ever seen. Thorough, effective, convincing and respectful.

[@propagandapandas]

Even agrees with him on some points of his research.

[@joemoody7440]

These morons believe primitive slaves cut and carved the pyramids with copper chisels in 20 years, they really don't have the ability to criticise Graham, their conclusions are simply a joke and many people around the world have realized the simple fact we have no clue about our distant past and have been fed nonsense our hole lives by academia.

[@cmosarch5285]

@@propagandapandas Does he? He literally said that he's read the same research, and came to very different conclusions.

[@ryann6067]

@@CancelledPhilosopher Check out Flint Dibble, Mini Minute Man, Stephan Milo and many others who produce pointed and well laid out critiques of Hancocks baseless evidence-less pseudo-science/pseudo-history fantasy fan-fiction stories.

[@skindred1888]

​@@propagandapandas where ?

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

The problem i have with graham is that he always claims the mainstream media/archeology is wrong/lying, but then he brings up his own far fetched ideas with zero proof and claims they are more believable. Just because something is plausible doesnt mean its true.

[@waldorfmcvitty4854]

100%, i originally liked his ideas but simply could not get over this continuous narrative that the 'mainstream' were lying about our history. He offered no explanation as to why or indeed who this 'mainstream' is, he just came across as a man that likes to play the victim in order to make money.

[@benjaminbronnimann3966]

and a lot of his stuff isn't even that plausible to begin with

[@EastlakeRasta7]

That's because of this notion of not wanting to dig below the Clovis point in the Earth, especially when they claim there is nothing below it when that would technically go against the process of scientific discovery to push the boundaries of what we already know. And remember we keep finding some small pieces of evidence that keeps pushing the date back of humans first being in North America; one of the most major ones that comes to my mind is that Mastodon carcass that's dated back to 19000 to 23,000 BC

[@pillgrimm]

Graham has never produced a single verifiable historic artifact. He just points at rocks and said people made them.

[@thefleecer3673]

​@@pillgrimm😂

[@duncan-xg9sh]

This guy is great. He doesn't just pull the appeal to authority card to put Grahame down. He readily acknowledges that they simply have different interpretations of the same facts and explains why he disagrees with Grahame's central thesis, without being dismissive.

[@kimberly4275]

The issue is Graham constantly attacks the establishment with his random theories. Sure one might be right one day but it doesn't make him deserve to be treated this nicely

[@minerat27]

It's a shame Graham doesn't extend the same courtesy the other way

[@michaelrudolph7003]

But Graham doesn't behave that way toward anyone he's critical of or even the entire field of archaeology. So if its ok for him, why do all of his critics have to treat him more kindly than he does them? That doesn't make any sense.

[@GreatEditsEveryDay]

Hats off to Ed for giving someone he deeply disagrees with his due, strong manning the other side's arguments ❤

[@peterwoytowich5176]

..strong manning?

[@ETbutforreal]

@peterwoytowich5176 Most people know they meant steel-manning.

[@GreatEditsEveryDay]

@@peterwoytowich5176 steel-manning my bad

[@brandonlawrence5851]

ooh steelmanning, never heard of this term before. probably gonna start showing up everywhere i look now haha

[@temdaro]

Deeply disagrees? Did we watch the same video? From what i heard, they only disagree about the conclusion. And saying Graham as a journalist is more "well read" than some of his peers is a huge compliment. Personally, I do not find it logical that we humans, had to have around 200k years to invent agriculture. I subscribe to the idea that civilisations comes in cycles not linear. And by "advanced", does not have to mean in the same way as our civilisation.

[@regularcarguy7844]

Love the way the guy expressed himself on the topic ! I'd like to listen to his ideas

[@matt5415]

At 5:09, in light of the flooding from Helene, I think flooding was way more frightening for ancient civilizations. We have all this advanced technology, yet we are still relatively powerless against flooding. Imagine folks 3000 years ago dealing with floods. It would be difficult for ancient people to be safe from floods. They would need a water source that could potentially be the source of a flood. So I don’t think one singular flood left a collective trauma for all mankind.

[@antonjoubert6980]

The real reason for these theories that nobody likes to admit is the fables in the bible that people really, really want to believe.

[@starwarsstuff8098]

Hey Matt, I'm an archaeologist and yes there have been thousands of floods throughout human history all over the world, some much larger than others, but yes surely even small floods would invoke stories as you point out

[@JamesHartnell]

Just had the floods in Spain - many hundreds killed, very worthy of historical note. Also notable for Roman structures holding while modern flood defences failed.

[@nargallegos6858]

Barnhart is being generous here. Hancock is indeed very charming and likeable and very well studied in his realm of work. However, Hancock has decided on his conclusion and then picks and chooses the facts to fit the narrative. "Mainstream" scientists and researches arrived at the conclusion using the tried and true scientific method where a hypothesis is based on observations or prior knowledge, they formulate a specific, testable hypothesis derived from that theory, they design and conduct experiments or studies to test the hypothesis, and most importantly they analyze the results to see if they support or refute the hypothesis. This process has advanced human achievement in science, medicine and everything in-between. Hancock decided what his conclusion was based off nothing but a feeling and now reels in whatever facts he wants and discards provable theory in order to fit his narrative. It sells books, gets him on Rogan, but doesn't advance science in a meaningful way. It's storytelling.

[@ryann6067]

@@nargallegos6858 yep, Hancock is basically a glorified fantasy fan-fiction writer. Nothing more, and nothing less.

[@MrKevlarkent]

Yea they really show that when they completely dismiss the water-wethering on the side of where they cut out the blocks for the Sphinx

[@ryann6067]

@@MrKevlarkent Who? What? And please explain your incomplete point.

[@MrKevlarkent]

@@ryann6067 they think the sphinx is of the same age as ancient egypt, when in reality its older than the last time there was heavy rainfall in egypt, which is ~7000 years before. this is proven by the fact that theres water-weathering on the cliffs that surround the sphinx, as in where the blocks were cut out to make the sphinx

[@ryann6067]

@@MrKevlarkent Again, who is “they”? And what you are claiming regarding the Sphinx is simply incorrect. Meanwhile, in fact-based reality backed by an overwhelming amount of material culture evidence, scientific data, and geological evidence. The great sphinx is in fact a monument constructed at the same time as Khafre’s monumental pyramid tomb and complex. And its construction dates to approximately 2450-2700 BCE. And I’m not sure if you are aware of this. But it does rain in Egypt annually. Ive been in Cairo in a rainstorm. In any-case I’m not sure where or who you learned this misinformation from, but you are very much mistaken in the claim you making.

[@ziggystardust457]

Get em both in a room, I need them to have a open discussion.

[@jonathancortez5179]

Yeah

[@allanshpeley4284]

Yeah

[@harryhayward4841]

why though? one of them is stating facts and the other is pushing forward a theory with no basis?

[@dolemite8282]

Yeah

[@dolemite8282]

Yeah

[@guesswho22peekaboo]

1:08 assuming what he says is true, I already like this dude. Graham brings a lot of interesting facts to light that are worth examining! And it should encourage further research! But that doesn't mean his theory is correct.

[@gene1star]

Do you know a Definition of „theory”?

[@ryann6067]

It’s important to note that Hancock has recently publicly admitted that there is no evidence supporting his advanced lost civilization theory.

[@gene1star]

@@ryann6067 it is difficult to be f.e.with Sahara not examine, difficult to have things that were destroyed by time or by humanimals.etc.

[@ryann6067]

@@gene1star Im sorry, I don’t understand what you are trying to say.

[@gene1star]

@@ryann6067 The lack of evidence for an ancient advanced civilization could be due to several factors. First, any traces of such a civilization might have been eroded over time by natural processes like weathering, tectonic activity, or rising sea levels. Could be destroyed by humans, animals, plants. Second, if such a civilization existed thousands or even millions of years ago, the materials they used might have decayed, leaving little to no physical evidence. Additionally, our current understanding of history and archaeology is limited, and certain areas of the Earth are unexplored or improperly studied. They could drew the wrong conclusions.Finally, it's also possible that advanced civilizations left behind technology or artifacts that we simply don't recognize or understand.

[@AutodidacticRED]

What a refreshing perspective. We need more of this from every professional regardless of their field.

[@ArturoTorras]

I gave you thumbs up, because I really like your guest. He is an honest, and intelligent guy. thanks for sharing

[@geniusjohn8280]

Everyone has stories of floods . People need water to survive and dont want to walk miles to get it. You build a little village near the river. Rivers flood occasionally exceeding the normal level of flooding causing great damage or even destroying the village.Just like every culture has stories of war, romance, heroic leaders, villains , etc.

[@fragileglass9622]

Fantastic video! Ed is a wonderful example of collaborative professionalism. Absolutely respectful. I love Grahams works because he delves into well researched history, great storyteller and I could listen to him for hours. I wish I had known of Graham back in the college years. I would have possibly changed my future going into archaeology and specifically working to disprove or research Grahams ideas, his ideas are fascinating and would bring excitement into the work.

[@tammigissell2378]

To me, this was a great conversation. Im a long time fan of Graham's research and writing and enjoyed that he asks us to do our own research and come to our own conclusions. Really enjoyed this man's perspective as well. I think that a lot of people forget that Graham Hancock has never claimed to be right in his conclusions but has begged the establishment and the wider society to keep digging for answers xx

[@ryann6067]

Interesting point. And to futher expound upon it. Not only has he not claimed he is right in any of his conclusions. In fact-based reality, none of his conclusions have ever been right nor are they backed by any evidence. Which he himself even recently admitted.

[@Dxrkwinter]

I think the most important distinction that needs to be made with people like Graham Hancock, is for them to not present their ideas which as you say, aren’t really backed by any level of physical evidence, as a fact. He may evolve his ideas over time and more recently admitting his theory has no real world evidence to back it. But when he’s going on the same podcasts as scientists and archaeologists who can back up their ideas with evidence. Or making a docu-series which, the whole definition is to be based on current objective fact? It almost tricks people into thinking that his theories hold more merit than they actually do. I personally don’t at all see how Hancock in particular has drawn the conclusion he has, given the observations he’s made. But still, it’s dangerous to dress up pseudoscience as actual science without making the important distinction between the two.

[@jeninelynch2330]

Unlike other sciences, archaeology does not produce a commercially viable product. Instead, it produces social knowledge - the only true 'value' of which is to the public & tourism. This is why research funding is so very hard to come by... and usually only a minimal amount - only a few tens of thousands at most. We then must construct a methodology of investigation, including the budget of our limited funds. This means, picking WHAT we can accomplish with those funds e.g., surveys, wages, excavations, carbon dating etc...the options are infinite, but our choices our limited because all these things cost money. That is one of my biggest issues with GH....pleeeeease Graham, please give us some REAL money to work with. He has made tens of millions then denigrates our work. Then help up acimplishit, say i. Share the wealth, and we might be able to get some answers to some really big questions. Here i am, out digging in wintery earth for €16-20 per hour, only to have the whole world tell me "you're not doing enough".....how, say i, am i supposed to do more????? I can barely afford to live. And i work in the construction industry, which is one of the few places where archaeologists are needed commercially. But in construction, we only dig where developments are about to occur. .e.g., along a road route, pipline, housing. There, where we dig is dictated to by where builders are about to dig. It is considered rescue archaeology, and thus, any evidence that comes from this site will cover multiple time periods. And is more like a snapshot of a particular spot over time, which then must be interpret ed within the context of other local archaeological knowledge. I wish i could do something with a bit more weight to it....if only some rich guy with the same goals as us, could come along and inject some real cash into the endeavour 😅

[@Miquel-h4x]

Right. GH equivocates so much that he can always claim he never claimed or said that...... He makes his money planting seeds in the minds of those that "do their own research" and go straight to Atlantis and the worldwide "advanced" culture/civilization - which he equivocates on, also!

[@Bayard1503]

As if there was any need to "beg"... my man, all young archeologists dream of finding new ancient stuff. Every archeologists out there is keeping his eyes open to the possibilities because he has only to gain from a major discovery. People thinking there is some sort of cabal to keep the status quo is ludicrous when it comes to historians.

[@VeritasIncrebresco]

My God, a civil disagreement. What a refreshing rebuttal to Graham's work.

[@CRASHxy]

How refreshing. It's always a pleasure here at the Lex podcast ❤

[@ChipKempston]

At about 4:20 he says they're very good at finding things. Except...almost all of these civilizations would have been on coast lines or along estuaries, which were very different 10,000 years ago. So, yeah, you're not going to find much when it's mostly under the ocean.

[@dudestolemyname69]

Exactly what I think. And the areas Graham has explored aren't getting much attention from the academy.

[@williamdaniels9728]

Most of the older earth works in the Amazon are clay mud bricks vs. the late Mayan & Aztec stone works. Those clay brick mounds weren't made of material that lasted as long as Brick does so many of the new 'older' sites are being still discovered via lidar and other means. Terra Pratta is just compost soil. Amazon soil is bad for crops, you either grow in water directly (like Aztecs) or use terra pratta. The Amazon jungle existed 10,000+ years ago but it was smaller in size (it expanded) - it expanded as the Sahara Desert was forming. The Sahara helped seed & fertilize the Amazon with it's potassium dust particles travelling across the Atlantic. As the Sahara got bigger so did the Amazon.

[@ChipKempston]

@@williamdaniels9728 Well, sure, but I'm referring to civilizations that came *before* those.

[@fibiusthegreat593]

They use sonar technology all along the cloastlines similar to what they do in heavily forested areas. If there would have been such a civilization there would be more evidence.

[@williamdaniels9728]

@@ChipKempston I agree with your general premise and Hancocks. A lot of Civ works have been lost to the ocean. Probably 99% of the oldest and grandest ones as they had to be located near water just due to population size necessities. What those Civ's looked like, were, or how they interacted we may never know. 50,000 years ago is a long time. We can only speculate to about 12,000 BC (Gobleki Tepe) which is only 14,000 so we have barley scratched the surface of what might be there.

[@ashrafulhaque8759]

That's pretty profound what Ed has stated: "As a responsible scientists we're trying to disprove our theories..." and not the other way around.

[@livid_experience]

It's sad because it's not supposed to be profound at all. It's the basis for the pursuit of science. But nowadays academics are more interested in job security than fact finding.

[@dreadtrain2846]

Not profound, that is the very basis of the scientific method. It's what Graham doesn't use and why he can be summarily dismissed as either a fool or charlatan.

[@wbunnage]

@@dreadtrain2846Graeme’s views have changed over time and he loves to be proven wrong. The same can’t be said of some of the people he has debated who have institutions to protect.

[@dreadtrain2846]

@@wbunnage You are lying. I've been aware of Graham for 20+ years. Graham wouldn't know the scientific method if it slapped him in the face.

[@johnmccracken3473]

The theories try to disprove the scientists? Also theory here is a hypothesis.

[@bwilliams3227]

Great show Lex you should have this guest back every year! Great show thanks

[@Ancientreapers]

4:32 Because these sites are so old, nothing organic or crafted have remained from that so ancient time period. All that remains are the constant re-inhabitation debris. Test are done on the latest re-inhabitation remains which gives a false impression on the dating.

[@ArcWelder588]

Was born in Venezuela, grew up in Guyana, now living up north. Following my ancestors.

[@nickperson6745]

are those miniature guitars or is that shelf really far away?

[@jamie42172]

perfectly said, science is built to disprove

[@sshreddderr9409]

your confusing the scientific method with scientific institutions. every scientist works for institutions which have political and monetary incentives, and their career is completely dependent on compliance. only certain topics and theories are being funded, and if you are outside of that, you wont have a job. thats why they are all liars. they have a huge personal incentive or bias against anything outside of the funded thing.

[@LeonardTavast]

The problem for pseudoscientists like Hancock is that science becomes increasingly robust every year because millions and millions of researchers look at the evidence and uncover the singular truth that actually happened. Most researchers today fail to disprove previous theories and instead only add to to corpus because it's the literal truth.

[@faafo2]

6:51 This clip ended with a great quote!

[@UsernameWitheld]

"If we're busy burning books of ideas that we don't like, that's where we close our minds to the possibility of advancing things" Very well said Sir.

[@UsernameWitheld]

@@Josh_728 Yes it works for all varieties of book. That is I think the point.

[@chrishandle2]

Body language incongruence at 0:16.

[@DaCashRap]

good catch

[@Ghost-gf4yd]

I don’t think so, he does it a lot through the interview. I think it’s like a tick

[@EatDatBitchAwp]

There will always be weirdos like you comment sections💀

[@patrickbateman1660]

The man knows Graham has an insane fanbase and saw how dibble has been treated since. He is treading lightly.

[@EatDatBitchAwp]

@patrickbateman1660 it’s disgustingly true, a lot of graham fans are radical racists whose beliefs about natives ppl get confirmed by hancocks advanced civilization theory. Go into the comments rn and you’ll see ppl saying flint should be a slave or he brings up his dad a lot because he got raped as a child. And those comments have a lot of likes which is just insane. One of the main reasons why I hate graham is cause when he gets confronted for these he acts condescending making it seem as if you are calling him as a person racist, which is is exactly what he did to flint. Grahams ancient civilization idea was created cause foreigners couldn’t believe that native ppl were smart enough to create beautiful cities in the jungles, mountains, or islands in pacific.

[@tack-on-titan]

How refreshing to hear an archaeologist say these things instead of the supercilious diatribes some others come out with on YT.

[@michaelrudolph7003]

Graham is immune from that level of discourse himself? Not in my experience. If you're going to call it out and claim to be an honest person I think you have to do it evenly, and that's not even close.

[@pongop]

I like this very intriguing and open conversation! Well said by both gentlemen.

[@reedkelly6145]

Archeologists SAID, there was no large society in the Amazon because the Amazon couldn't produce enough food to support a large civilization. So archeologists didn't even look at the Amazon for a long amount of time, and the archeologists were 100% wrong. How can archeologists be "good at finding things" when they don't even look because of a unproven belief. Seems to me archeologists don't put in the work to disprove their theories, as in this example they didn't go to the Amazon for decades to disprove their theory, and only did so because the cutting of the Amazon forests keeps exposing ancient structures. Also it seems very rare for archeologists to have independent thought, if they go outside the mainstream narrative, the consequences are usually severe and extreme. This has been proven as fact. What archeologists are doing vs what they say they are doing seems very different.

[@ryann6067]

@@reedkelly6145 Im sorry, but you are astoundingly incorrect with your claims above. Im sorry, but It sounds like you haven’t actually looked into this topic at all and are just repeating baseless nonsense that someone else misleadingly told you.

[@skindred1888]

Bud...are you just parroting what some moron told you ? 😂😂 This is hilariously dumb

[@patrickbateman1660]

More BS.But even ignoring that Grahams claim is there was an ADVANCED civilization in the amazon but there is lit5nothing peoving that

[@apormarkos]

Getting out there and digging holes requires money. One cannot just dig up the whole world hoping to find something. Things are going to be missed until they're found. There's no grand conspiracy here.

[@Michi85387]

Lex you need to interview Robert Sepehr Anthropologist!!! He'll blow your mind.

[@CVsnaredevil]

The Most Dangerous Anthropologist in the World.

[@Oilers1972]

I agree. Love his work.

[@ikballalli5539]

He's not a anthropologist

[@Oilers1972]

@@ikballalli5539 , yes he is and a novelist. Check his bio.

[@Oilers1972]

@@CVsnaredevil , most accurate.

[@jbarrhazit]

The Egyptian granite and dolorite vases. How were those made in antiquity?

[@Tinywars]

Technology wise? Explain to me how a village of caveman had stone masonry skills that are unknown to us today. It maybe not just one civilisation but a few. We most definitely have a lost chapter or two in the World’s history.

[@_MikeJon_]

Because it took thousands of years via trial and error. We didn't just wake up one day and start doing it lol. There's a surprisingly clear lineage in the archeological record.

[@ryann6067]

@@Tinywars anatomically modern humans (not to mention our hominid ancestors), have been using and improving stone tools for hundreds of thousands of years. And we know more or less how, why and what for they used their stone tools.

[@nickchivers9029]

They put rocks on top of rocks.

[@jaketoffen2454]

​@@nickchivers9029it aint that easy...how did they spin so fast ??

[@genghiskhan802]

Change your name to Tinybrain.

[@2ndSprings]

Don't let these archaeologists off the hook when they don't make simple connections.... and don't provide other theories.... Challenge these people to be like geologists.... 🙂

[@jonescrusher1]

Why does archeology have to work to your demands?

[@Electromash92]

Oh kinda like how they do with Graham's ideas... which you then proceed to have a tantrum about?

[@maau5trap273]

So keep asking archeologists to dig every single piece of sand and dirt of the floor until you’re satisfied? What’s next you’re gonna claim it’s on mars?

[@Raygun-w2w]

What a legendary set of answers

[@LamiNalchor]

Graham focuses on what we don't know and what could be. That is absolutely precisely put. I believe it is quite possible to enjoy this angle, but it is not the most rational one.

[@mishaarthur7689]

"Finally an archeologist who says my guy miiiiiiight be right while saying he is almost certainly wrong about everything." You people and your feefees. Jesus.

[@stanconya4393]

Thank you, great podcast❤

[@conorkindred3392]

I actually enjoyed his response. He didn’t attack him for his theories like other scientists have. That shows a very cool level of respect. Seems like a good scientist to be friends with in this field tbh

[@mathueelkins76]

Lex with the mini dimebag guitar on the shelf..!

[@israeladesanya4596]

1st time watching lex, comes across as a right 🔔

[@sellingsunshine]

You know your a nerd, when you see Ed Barnharts name and you jump to the video. I love all of his lectures on the great courses.

[@mcampbell5158]

I agree 100% that the evidence isn't there, but there sure is a whole lot of unexplainable things that really could only make sense if there was an advanced civilization. That said, until there is evidence, it is fun hypothesizing

[@justifano7046]

If you aren't smart enough to understand how something could happen you don't get to just insert whatever baseless explanation you come up with. This is called the god of the gaps logical fallacy

[@ryann6067]

@@mcampbell5158 in other words it isn’t hypothesizing but rather fantasy fan-fiction writing.

[@keefazstudio]

@@justifano7046 Dark matter?

[@skindred1888]

There's unexplainable things that only make sense with an advanced civilization? What ? We still going by 1800s racist views ? 😂

[@justifano7046]

@@keefazstudio dark matter as a concept is hypothetical yes. But exists as a placeholder because there's something exerting gravitational influence on other forms of matter. We simply lack the means to properly detect it.

[@tmac9972]

Graham Hancock is the type of guy who throws 50 piles of mud at a wall and if one sticks it proves the other 49 correct because he is the one that made the claim. Here in lies the problem with Hancock it's all about him being correct and everyone else is full of shit. For me Hancock is no different than one of those guys back in the 70s and 80s selling steak knives and slicers and dicers at the state fair were he is just looking to sell to the first smuck he can find in the audience.I saw Graham Hancock were he was speaking at a confrerence and talked to the audience about his theories of Atlantis and then offered a great deal on steak knives, true story.

[@peds8345]

lol say “I hate him”

[@nowwhat6716]

​@@peds8345of course people should hate lying people

[@Art-is-craft]

Until it can be explained how the 12000 year old archaeological remains of civilisation developed people are going to believe the Egyptian Atlantas tale. And further compounding the issue is that most cultures have a root flood mythology even though none of them are suppose to be culturally connected. The people that critique Hancock leave so much detail out.

[@seanadavidson5121]

Did you even listen to this man? GH is very intelligent, well read, a good researcher, WTH are you talking about.

[@johncahill3644]

Hancock has a bachelor’s degree in sociology and essentially worked as a writer his whole life. He manages to have all sorts of opinions from world economics to ancient civilizations without any rigorous academic framework from which to season them. His arguments remind me of Creationists and evolution. Basically “how else would this have happened”?

[@halfon005]

Aristotle was a physician (degree) yet most of the content is philosophy, so what's your point.

[@Cssfiend]

@@halfon005 Aristotle attended Plato's Academy from around age 18 to 37 before founding his own philosophical institution the Peripatetic School, are you confusing him with someone else?

[@stylebox9911]

I love this. Now I need to watch the whole episode

[@erlybird3122]

"We are trying to prove our own theories wrong." If asked, would Graham Hannock say that? I think not.

[@smgmatt1857]

Why not try to prove theories right? Like glass half full kind of thing

[@Popcornmix494]

@@smgmatt1857 because if you try to prove your theory you might end up only looking at evidence that supports your claim. By trying to prove it wrong you are specifically looking at the things that could disprove the theory and if you cant find any your theory is right.

[@aviduke]

He would probably say there are enough mainstream archeologists already trying to disprove him.

[@wolfereignowns1154]

Don't Stupidly forget he also said most archeologists today are not doing this.

[@brianjohnson1346]

What about the DNA mother strands...... nobody wants to tackle that one.. There are only seven different ones on the entire planet.. thats it only seven

[@leeu1707]

What are ‘DNA mother strands’?

[@pleaseclap5210]

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[@GrooveSpaceArk]

Please elaborate. Googling dna mother strands or 7 dna mother strands gives 0 results.

[@markd1810]

@@leeu1707 Mitocondrial DNA, which only comes from the mother.

[@leeu1707]

@@markd1810 Mitochondrial DNA is circular, not lineal (it doesn’t come in strands).

[@marcusjasso2600]

Let's have a pod with both Ed and Graham. I would love to hear their conversation! Perhaps the two of them could propose another possibility!

[@theevolutionofthebear3093]

Pyramids everywhere is easy to explain. How do you build something tall? Start with a massive base and build up from there, it's natural that it would get smaller as it gets higher. They didn't have complex steel frames back then, they didn't know how to build skyscrapers. It seems pretty obvious to me.

[@raina4732]

My son even figured it out at the playground when he was 3. He wanted to built a giant tower, and stacked rocks that kept falling. Finally he realized all on his own that if he made a larger base that got smaller as it went to the top it would hold firm. No ancient seafaring civilization taught him how to build a pyramid.

[@upwardspiral7441]

Baalbek stones were built with the heaviest 800 ton stones on top. How did they lift that 40 feet off the ground before the wheel was invented? No one knows it’s a mystery

[@raina4732]

@@upwardspiral7441 They certainly knew what a wheel was. Using a wagon or a cart over sand is impractical. And what does the wheel have t do with lifting heavy stones using wooden logs to roll, ropes to pull, and other stones underneath to get leverage? Look up how the Romans moved these giant megaliths, they even drew details pictures of how to do it. Or look up the video of Mussolini's monolith being moved down a mountain using primitive techniques! There's still the old black and white video of it.

[@upwardspiral7441]

@@raina4732 sorry should have said industrial cranes not the wheel. Again how did they lift 800 ton stones 40 feet no one knows it’s a mystery

[@Chris-sm2uj]

@@upwardspiral7441 ''no one knows it’s a mystery'' we actually do idiot, it is called ''leverage''

[@nolandemartino5420]

Lex should get 50 cent on the podcast

[@jessehutchinson7539]

where is Ja?!

[@micahkitchens2480]

It’s the knobs found in so many of these ancient monoliths all over the world that gets me. Also the work uncharted x is doing on the small pre dynastic vases also confuse the hell out of me.

[@shamrokz95]

Interesting Ive never once heard him say " a single advanced civilization seeded the whole world"

[@Caleb983]

Have you not read America Before?

[@GeorgeLucas1138]

Came here to say this. This is why I get so mad about this stuff. People dont actually listen to graham and incorrectly quote his work often

[@ZeroNiteLite]

You can agree or disagree with Graham, but no need to resort to being rude condescending or throwing insults (not saying this interview is that at all). I find Graham very thought provoking and whether he is 100% wrong or 100% right or somewhere in between, its good to see differing views and ideas on the past

[@BlakeRyanFilm]

What a fantastic way to object to someone else’s conclusions. Straightforward, supported, and courteous.

[@theweisman6212]

The evidence has to be in the ocean at 400 ft depths. Old coastline prior to 15k years ago.

[@maau5trap273]

If you did research about the topic you’d know there’s thousands of underwater pre history sites already found and still 0 evidence. Literally 0 as in 0.0000000000000000000 amount of evidence found

[@ChrisShortyAllen]

Why not on dry land? The theory arises from sites on land.

[@bustyboy123]

@@ChrisShortyAllenbecause the water levels rise

[@Art-is-craft]

@@ChrisShortyAllen Humans settle near coasts for maritime. Even the Roman Empire was a coast culture.

[@pooman2]

You don’t need to be technologically advanced be to be advanced. The wisdom of these older civilisations could more inward. That’s all I’ll say. Apart from the fact that technology is a representation and earthly embodiment of inner whir-circles. And that’s the real goal of the exercise. To full the bloom of god, the one, and holy nature of reality, my boy. Now give me some crisps.

[@Star-hg1kt]

😂😂😂 whatever bro

[@87ericmartinez]

what about the field of applied mathematics, known as Chronology?

[@sammycourteille8775]

If only we could find two presidential candidates who could debate in this way!

[@ryann6067]

@@sammycourteille8775 we have one at least 🤷‍♂️

[@CaseyAtchison]

Ouch, the old "not a single pot shard" when the perfectly symmetric, carved granite vases are already dated pre-dynastic ... and still ignored. The "missing" evidence is ignored until somebody else publishes it.

[@vids595]

This is not ignored. It is just not interpreted as indicating what we normally think of as advanced civilization. The craftsmanship of the granite vessels suggests that there was significant skill and technology in Predynastic Egypt, indicating a society with a sophisticated understanding of stoneworking. However, whether this points to an "advanced civilization" in the broader sense depends on the criteria used to define "advanced." These vessels show that the people had advanced technical abilities in stoneworking, which required knowledge of materials, shaping techniques, and possibly tools that have not been fully understood. While they demonstrate impressive craftsmanship, other aspects of society (such as writing, architecture, and centralized state development) were still in formative stages during the Predynastic period, which is why many scholars reserve the term "advanced civilization" for the later Dynastic periods, when those elements became more established. Nonetheless, these vessels do imply that there were sophisticated and possibly highly specialized artisans and craft traditions before the Dynastic era. And no one claims there was no civilization at all predating the dynastic period. Simply that they were not what we would call advanced.

[@alfredoj1349]

@@vids595 really well explained but all the evidence of that technical knowledge strongly suggests that even nowadays with all the modern technologies borrowed from aerospace era some artifacts are not possible to make them today as the were made. And the other problem that the dogma seems to ignore is that being made of stones they cannot be dated accurately but as the where found with predynastic objects scientists seems to willingly assume (is this case is valid for them to assume) that they were made by people in that period even the evident inconsistencies with other objects made in that period that don’t show the same craftsmanship

[@CaseyAtchison]

@@vids595 Asking for pottery shards when these have existed for decades is disingenuous.

[@maau5trap273]

Mainly because there’s nothing found as of now that needs to be attributed to advanced technologies that couldn’t be attributed to skill with you know the material that we have been using for over 3.3 million of years,hmmm stone ?

[@ryann6067]

@@CaseyAtchison Note: claiming Third Millennium BCE Egyptian stone storage vessels are “perfectly symmetrical” and also “ignored”, when they aren’t. Is extremely disingenuous. And is a clear indication you have not bothered to learned about what you are attempting talk about.

[@Rip-Van-Tinkle]

Investigating and collecting data, having a discussion about that data, putting forward ideas, civilly disagreeing on certain points, putting forward a counter argument and then discussing that, is exactly how science used to operate before politics got involved and corrupted it. We need to go back to operating like this, because this is how we advance as a people. It's rare, and refreshing to see someone talk like this these days.

[@HorusOne-p9o]

technology wise you see, why do so called experts not see it? beyond me, polygonal walls are everywhere and we cant make them today so go figure

[@skindred1888]

What ?

[@gullf1sk]

You have brainrot

[@Twendelulu]

For all the comments saying "finally a archaeologist who isnt insulting Graham". You should know Graham incites the agro between himself and the archeological community. He plays the victim and can't take any criticism for the fanciful claims he comes up with (claims that don't have any evidence to support them)

[@factsnchill168]

What do you do that’s important in life buddy?

[@vtsaltcave]

He mentions earthworks in Guyana. Where are they located? What are they?

[@stirp3717]

I dont think graham has ever said its a singular advanced civilization

[@AHille444]

Grahams biggest contribution was getting "mainstream" archaeologists to address fringe theories. Now non traditional theories can be discussed without being called a "pseudo-scientist" or "crazy".

[@gullf1sk]

Pfft haha. Nothing has changed, its still pseudo-science, crazy and complete cracksmoking bullshit.

[@ryann6067]

@@AHille444 incorrect, Graham has made no contributions to our understanding of our ancient and prehistoric past, nothing. And those “non traditional theories” you mention they are still “pseudo” and are irrelevant in serious discussions regarding the study of our collective global ancient and prehistoric past. -Unless, the conversation is about debunking his work as the evidence-less and base-less pseudo-historical fantasy fan-fiction interpretations that it is. cheers 🍻

[@ksumrz]

He's done nothing but bamboozle the scientifically illiterate masses for financial gain.

[@partlycurrent]

anybody seriously discussion grahams theories is an unserious person

[@AHille444]

@@partlycurrent Its not Grahams theories that are good, its what he represents that is good. Any "scientist" not towing the mainstream line was never taken seriously or even worse labeled as a "nutjob". Open dialogue on alternative theories will benefit everyone.

[@bartosdiagos]

3.30 If they where independent, how come there are similar structures etc. ?

[@coastrider9673]

Facts? I would posit that megalithic structures and Precision made artifacts, all unexplained By traditional Archaeology, are facts.

[@_MikeJon_]

"Precision" by what standard? That's usually used by psudo science proponents to mean whatever pushes their narrative.

[@kingslayya6876]

they always avoid this which is why they can't be taken seriously

[@ryann6067]

@@coastrider9673 that’s simply not at all correct. And thats a fact.

[@lloydgarrad7364]

Agreed

[@coastrider9673]

@@ryann6067 how so? The traditional model runs from primitive to modern, in linear fashion. Clearly they are missing something.

[@FREDDAGGS]

Finally a real archaeologist who can argue like a professional. Differentiates evidence, interpretation and hypothesis. So rare to hear the real deal.

[@patrickbateman1660]

Flint dibble mind broke you guys lmao. This guy agrees 100% with dibble. He is just more polite.

[@FREDDAGGS]

@patrickbateman1660 Dibble is a "science communicator". That's someone who was given a degree out of pity, won't go away, then starts talking. Much to everyone's horror. He has no actual talent, he can't argue to save himselfs. He's the reason Hancock is so popular. Because archeology seems dumb if all you see is Dibble. Actual Academics are not threatened by an author speculating.

[@BestFitSquareChannel]

I deeply appreciate the humility. Thank you.

[@huykieu7775]

It's simple, Graham wants to create Scientology 2.0 with better persuasion. I dont mind people have different interpretation from the same dug site, but Graham's goal was never about getting to know the true lost mystery, he only care about what can support his conclusion. He always talk about archeologists belittle him like they are some kind of a mafia association but most archeologists work independently, if he got mad at some arrogant professors then be more specific, dont villainize the whole field and then play the victim. Not to mention the man prefer to appear on podcast and shows rather than dig the damn site.

[@MrSporkster]

Hancock is not even an archaeologist.

[@kuruman1]

Wonderful discussion!

[@jesterlead]

The DNA record certainly doesn't support Graham's theory.

[@moozoo2589]

please elaborate

[@jesterlead]

@@moozoo2589 The entire DNA record found in SA is consistent with migration from Asia across the Bearing land bridge during the last glacial maximum.

[@moozoo2589]

@@jesterlead The consistency in DNA does not automatically imply the migration across the Bering land bridge. The distance between Easter Island and SA is huge, yet we see on the island ancient remnants of the same high quality polygonal masonry.

[@jesterlead]

@@moozoo2589 The DNA record to date suggests all of SA are descendants of East Asian Humans. There is no evidence of an "advanced" sub-set. Not saying he's wrong, I'm saying there is zero evidence to support his theory.

[@markcredit6086]

@@jesterlead wow could you be any more wrong . Now go to your room the adults are talking

[@josemadrid2913]

Doesn’t Hancock believe that things like the sphinx was built by the previous advanced civilisation?

[@ksumrz]

He also believes they built the pyramids with psychic powers.

[@sshreddderr9409]

@@ksumrz no he doesnt. he says that he doesnt want to dismiss the possibility of the existence or use of psychic powers. that is completely different than saying that he believes they were build using psychic powers. considering the possibility means you are also considering other things, and there is no preference or commitment to one possibility. you are misrepresenting his opinion.

[@driftFD]

@@sshreddderr9409 Actually he did entertain the thought of "telekinesis", I wish I was lying.

[@sshreddderr9409]

​@@driftFD thats a complete strawman again. "considering telekinesis" is something completely different from claiming that they have definitely been build using telekinesis. he is making no argument that they have been build with psychic powers, he is just saying that he doesnt dismiss the idea. he said that he has no idea how they have been build. you are trying to make him sound unreasonable. I dont agree with everything he says, but that doesnt mean I get irrational about what he actually claims.

[@driftFD]

@@sshreddderr9409 Do you even know what strawman means? 🤣

[@DaveSstation]

Well spoken at 6:44 🤙🏼

[@Big_Wamu]

Lol everybody builds pyramids.... if you are a parents and have kids, give them blocks. Guess what they build?

[@cmo5807]

Umm hmmmm I dont remember a pyramid being something I built as a kid nor any kids I have seen play with blocks. Usually they make L shapes or houses if advanced enough. Never have I seen a pyramid. What I suggest is going to get some blocks and try to build a pyramid its not as easy as it looks to get the blocks to line up correcty the first time. You seem to think its just stacking blocks on one another..... intresting.

[@Big_Wamu]

@@cmo5807 my kids stack blocks in a pyramid, and other shapes, all the time. They're 2 and 4... maybe they're ancient aliens? 🤷‍♂️

[@Big_Wamu]

@@cmo5807 it literally is just stacking blocks on each other

[@FrostekFerenczy]

@@cmo5807 - A heap of dirt that every child builds is the simplest, most stable shape that won't fall down. That's why the pyramids are that shape. They couldn't build anything more advanced than that at that scale.

[@Chris-sm2uj]

@@cmo5807 ''What I suggest is going to get some blocks and try to build a pyramid its not as easy as it looks'' HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA a toddler can do what you described

[@charismatic9467]

*93 Missed calls from Flint Dibbles*

[@Nick-pl1jn]

Thank-you. This is why freedom of speech is so important. We have to be able to have respectful conversations in which people can have differing opinions. This is how we learn. This is how truth is found.

[@Bumbaclartios]

fuck i’m on the redditor side of youtube

[@privatejoker76]

Predditors have spread to archaeology 😅. Can't wait to hear about the latest historical figures that they discovered were transexual 😅😅😅😅

[@justinmayfield6579]

“Archaeologists, all of our ideas are theories. Very few of them are facts.” I wish more people understood this. This also applies to all the soft and theoretical sciences. Outside of math, basic physics, etc., it gets very speculative.