Archaeologists deny Portable Rock Art claiming artifacts to be natural.

[@mariarussell7488]

He wanted to oooh and ahhh over your birdstone, but in that moment, especially with a camera there, all that mattered was status, his status over yours.

[@cynthiamindermann1399]

Lol Maria you hit the nail on the head! I was thinking he just wanted to argue.

[@tomstem1]

Oh my god what idiot.

[@bluecrow3755]

I'm blown away glad I ran across this..thanks uploading... I have what I believe to be totems ..pocket totems.. something... From two separate sites...i know they are birds. ♠keep on keeping on

[@johnnyderpp4771]

I found a perfectly round flat stone cut in half somehow with either a sleeping or dead person's head kind of split open with a bird flying out of it in a creek a few miles out in the middle of nowhere. I think it's art, we have a coffee can full of points, knives, drills and such in the area.

[@Djimbeau]

These guys are nutcase, the materials aren't even correct, the things they see are obscure. And they tells them for 10$ on ebay so they don't value them either

[@FacesintheStone]

Got a huge site in Graham North Carolina where every stone is a bird plus face Effigy. There’s totem faces the size of vans. All the totems are piled up in a giant mountain. Location with drawn to protect the site

[@carlyp7478]

Because if they agree then they have to correct all the lies they have told and the things they have hidden or are hiding. They are not wrong they are lying.

[@RondelayAOK]

Too many people post geofacts on KZbin. God bless them! They’d really like to find artifacts. But there are too many people overcome by this desire.

[@transformtransmitt]

A valid challenge- I agree!!

[@dales6301]

Some are artifacts. Some are probably not. IMO

[@missdemeanor3524]

I believe the rock art guy, but I've gotta hand it to the stone tool guy for maintaining his professionalism during the encounter.

[@jostoney6501]

I spent 17 years doing Field Archaeological work in the southwestern deserts of Arizona. It is my profession and I am with a degree in the study of Anthropology and Archeology. My specialty was rock art and stone tools. I'm not just speaking of arrowheads when I say tools. It took me nearly 10 years to study the look, pecking and grinding techniques of ancient peoples a stone that has been used for quite some time by human hands has a distinctive look. When I come up against people like the guy at the beginning of your video I've got to turn my back and walk away. So many of them act like ancient man had no life, no children, no desires for entertainment. So convinced are the poor misguided souls think they're professionals because they've watched videos or read books on this subject. Archaeologists really never even looked at the smaller version of things, we've always had plenty of time in the field. Generally when working on a site we are stuck with mainstream guidelines never having much time for new and innovative ideas. I never really seen the variety of artwork that early nomads could have done with a rock until I moved to the Southeastern portion of Arizona from the Southwestern regions of the same state. The difference between the two areas besides vegetation, it's the five Mammoth kill sites we have here within a 10 mi radius. I'm so excited about the things that I have found but I'm in my own private little Idaho with it. Friends and family do not see what I see nor will they listen to any professional wisdom I may providing my defense because yeah I'm on the defense a lot. I'm way into my retirement now and no longer work the fields for pay, definitely for pleasure now. You got to get them young though I do volunteer work going to schools and talk to the children about this. There are professionals that run museums in my area and they will agree with me when we start discussing the real age of humanity. We all live quite near a huge open pit mine and when you go hundreds of feet deep into the Earth you come across some pretty old geology. It would only make sense that old mine tailings would have super old dirt at the top of them. Then again that's another story.....

[@captainlurk9380]

We have 2 gravel pits on our property and if I find things that are clearly worked and clearly art after the pits have been dug down 30 feet . How old does that make these tools and art?

[@jostoney6501]

@@captainlurk9380 generally the ground has not been worked or moved in anyway it's 10 ft deep for every 100 years

[@captainlurk9380]

@@jostoney6501 Thank you very much . !

[@jostoney6501]

@@captainlurk9380 keep in mind Captain that when there's a lot of alluvial fill on the ground your artifacts are bit younger. I've been on digs in the desert we're 10 fit trenches produced 1100 year old artifacts.

[@jostoney6501]

If you're finding rocks with etchings on them could well be from a Neolithic era due to the fact that Paleo-Indian used to migrate quite a bit and they would be etching stones as they they traveled I find those type of stones here and we have Mammoth kill sites on our River.

[@bradwinkler2232]

Your high hopes and imagination fuel your delusions.

[@themama3633]

Well I can find effigies everywhere I go. I take every possible effigy and look with a magnifier and I’ll find agate carvings and color proving the age. There’s no way in recent days that this many people would do these carvings.

[@angelamarquess-od8yz]

If it's not a weapon then that obstinate "expert" isn't interested.... Shockingly sad how these magnificent creations are ignored and denied.

[@briangateley4909]

From rural cedar grove TN. I finding same Stones n creeks fields and ridges. Keep on Searching. Nature Freedom Dreams.

[@barbarajones9882]

If they would only shut their mouths & open their eyes they would see things in your so called "non artifacts" Don't give up Chris, one day they will have to eat their words. Keep up the good work.

[@slapshot1x]

Thank you Barbara. :)

[@maggiesmith1218]

They are definitely wrong about this and that's a fact. The effigies along with some of the tools will have three faces a young boy a young man and an old man. Standing out in the natural light as you are rotating it will reveal what I just mentioned above along with an animal whether it be a bird a monkey a fox and so on. You can also find maps different types of writings depending on if it's a tribe if it's the Vikings you can also take these and run them under cold water some of them just has to be emerged in the water and it will show whatever messages been left behind or whatever and some of them does not need to be completely wet at all it's more of a risen message I guess you could say. And all you have to do then is just have a damp cloth and let it lightly graze over the top of the material that you have in your hand. I really should just make a video and post it here in these comments to show you what I'm talking about I may just do that. These effigies or whatever you want to refer to him as even your tools that mainly the effigies they have a certain way too that they sit on something let's say if it's a tree to have that Nick in it to where it can set it and balance itself maybe on the corner of a table of course back then they didn't have tables and travel with them so they would have let's say another rock for that bird to sit on as I have experimented with them and played with them I have come to find out they I believe was also used as compasses. Say you balance the bird on that rock in your hand for true north as you are walking it will stay level but once you go to turn it will start to fall. They need to read in the Bible as it says that he created all that is on Earth and there is not to alike all the rocks are different all the leaves etc. I'm 47 years old almost in 6 weeks I will be I recognize and realize this stuff is a child there's nothing I was so tired of hearing more then oh it's natural it's made from the Earth or the water over the years is done this. I don't know about you or anyone else but I would have liked to them present when water figured out it was an artist and decided to make birds at Stone that's some high quality H2O right there. I'm driving so Google translate is typed all this and I'm about to post it without proofreading it dear Lord this may not be good LOL. Once I get to where I'm going though and have a second I will come back and read my post and make any corrections.

[@danielhamel9675]

They need to open there eyes and see the art and accept it the art is in the stone that it is not natural and was hand created

[@angelamarquess-od8yz]

Terrifically obstinate

[@VivianBertucci-abc]

I also believe the smaller ones were worn as jewelry

[@flintrockart]

The thing is with these Archays is that to admit to portable rock art, would make their waste of space, time and money degree look worthless...Its about both ego and towing the damned line with these brain deads...

[@carlyp7478]

I found one of those bird rocks

[@doresaklampe194]

Why would people think that we just got up one day... back in the day and bounced outta our caves and said: I'm gonna go make me a perfect arrow head outta the perfect stone and their all gonna be perfect. Do some people think we had no periods of trial and error. Do they think every man had access to Obsidian in abundance and used no other kinds of stones/mediums? Closed minded people, who think expertise ends with their expertise,...? Don't they realize that: "NOBODY KNOWS EVERYTHING" not even them? Not like experts havnt gotten things wrong before ... And still. Its arrogant and close minded. I don't care who ya are, or what your expertise. You can really only be an expert on things your familiar with. Not things you don't recognize. Chris I appreciate your presevierence and your steadfast determination to reveal to this world, experts and non. of probably the oldest and widest spead dictionaries of human history/documentatIon/communiction/illistration/art/education on earth. Keep your ROCK ARMORE POLISHED and keep up the faithful efforts and the no give into attitude. Love lt my friend. The truth is way too obvious to be denied. If only they have the open mind/eyes, to see, when their no longer afraid of what they'll see, to bother to even look. If they were experts, then they'd already know all about them wouldn't they now. Look at how much more they could really know.🤔

[@hifiphilly9637]

Your statement is 100% correct. . The children who were learning from the elders. It would take years to learn all the different technics that I see in the artwork. You need a tool, you make it.. No Home Depot back in the day

[@truthseeker1161]

Just rocks. People are insane.

[@allmoneyin33llc18]

But mine I’m assuming wasn’t modified by our kind

[@danielhamel9675]

We need to join forces what I have found will change there opinion

[@EvanRobinson85]

All rocks bro... i find heart shaped rocks all the time. Do you think man made them or nature?

[@theotherartifactstoa776]

"Present your research for peer review " in other words, limit your thinking to the boundaries of the scientific model that is totally wrong or lose your career

[@2t251]

IKR?!? Seems like he was trying to submit his work for peer review and the We Say So Corporation said nooooooo. So asinine. SMH

[@tpowell2072]

Lol No they only made arrowheads out of rocks ! They did not have fun with it ! They did not have imagination!

[@davidwilliamson4937]

Native Americans were logical. Didn’t make all those rocks. Heavy to carry. Not useful for use, but imagination is who holds it.

[@MarkPreman]

I find these these effigies all over Ohio, I’ve hunted points for over 40 years, I have pieces that I’ve had for that long of a period. I’m just realizing what I’ve had, not one, but several perfectly knapped “spear heads” that have the Rams head effigy. I also have dozens on all types of rock, ironically all found near heavily known Ancient Peoples camps and mounds. I have rocks that look like a Picasso head, Shamans wearing a bears head, Rams, Lions, Panthers, Crocodiles, Mastodon etc… All of them are very distinct “patterns”, dozens and dozens of accidental geo formations. 😹 Guys like this are very closed minded, and I’m here to tell you that these rocks were revered as sacred, very much so. I’m no scientist or archaeologist, maybe that’s why I see them. It is funny I just discovered them last summer, a whole treasures trove of information, adoration, just sitting there as “rocks”…

[@MarkPreman]

I’m working on a video that would represent as such… most of my effigies just happen to be tools. I could debate his type all day long on the false narrative of evolution. As espoused by his “peers”.

[@zeked.9222]

My girlfriend came up with a plausible theory. She calls them portable rock totems. Totem that they could carry with them. The effigys carved were either something they wanted as a blessing or protection from.

[@timkokidko9142]

In my area... new england. they are not all so portable... but totems, I agree.

[@mikegalacino9228]

He drove over an hour to get there so he must be right. Guy seeing animal faces in every rock is unhinged but seems harmless. Don't argue with him at all though.

[@kevinvanbrill5453]

I live in south n j n have deep ravine n creek. Behind me. From early 1800s till 1960s it was used as bottle dump . Under some cool old bottles I found thousands of same shapes over n over in stone n always dating back b4 bottles. ftom wolly momaths ,sleeping ducks , human faces , n stone pregnant doll like size stones ,, . With the tools made thses things n it's all in 100 sq yard area . Same shapes. N nobody believes me . I see it . Some can't ,some choose not to see, n others see it I guess. This dude gets on my nerves too by the way .

[@madisoneclectic3101]

The old guys are 100% correct. Not artifacts, no effigies, just rocks. But I do like your drumming vids.

[@captainflint89]

its a shame because if he focused his energy on drumming instead of glacially worn rocks he might do pretty well !

[@pamelamcfadden337]

Your closed mind is a bloody waste man

[@pareidoliarocks]

I'm interested and willing to listen to anyone willing to take time to explain in detail the process that leads to natural creation of some of these stones. From igneous to metamorphic to walked on by a wooly mammoth, whatever! All I hear is someone saying yes it is or no it's not. If it's because your professor said so, not good enough. I'm eager to learn

[@cynthiamindermann1399]

I have dug and dug the earth here in South Dakota and I have unearthed beautiful artifacts . My two bears are my favorite. If anyone can tell me how to post an image in thus comment section I would gladly do so

[@billymcgee3762]

Bro. Mr penney. Sir stone of the earth. Pretty cool. I have seen some crazy rocks in my 46 years. Hounding around. Mostly crystal stuff. Anyhoo. I saw it. Watched once laughed at debate. And i am with yah. Bud. Effigys would be first after tools. A lost mother Family or your favorite admonishment. Thank you. Stay up. Props from ☆VA☆□■

[@campland2880]

Clearly these are just natural rocks. . .not manipulated by the hands of man or god or spirit or whatever you're thinking/hoping. Dude, they are not "made" or shaped by man. These rocks are natural. . . . you can't just pick up a random rock and see some abstract "art" with the shape and folds and cracks of it and say, "See! Proof!" What the hell? Take an archaeology course and learn something.

[@tysondeleeuw7018]

Agreed. they’re just stones in a creek. Geofacts. Talk to any serious collectors not just the archeological community and they will say the same

[@pamelamcfadden337]

I have " taken archeology," and you are so very wrong.

[@campland2880]

@@pamelamcfadden337 . . . Of course we're wrong, Pam. . .the random rocks you pick up are clearly "portable rock art" made by man. Because, yes, that's how "archeology" works.

[@harry-cj6wu]

​@@pamelamcfadden337 You can't just base your argument on looks alone. Especially when you're going up against a proven natural explanation. An archeologist would go about this topic scientifically, instead of creating an opinionated explanation.

[@Amy_Penney1234]

Just WOW!!!

[@lauragrace9818]

i have one you can't top. i have a piece of toast that looks like george washington . value priceless

[@pamelamcfadden337]

You are just so witty aren't you,? Aren't you missing an episode of " The Kardashians "?

[@surfgoat1]

And this pompous professor guy would be the one "peer reviewing" a paper if he submitted one. That's why new theories take so long to simply be proven....there's tremendous pressure from the peers reviewing the literature to keep status quo (because that's what their books are based on, and they sell their books to the students who take their classes each of quarter. As always, the mighty dollar trumps reason!)

[@captainlurk9380]

Now we can clearly see what main stream archeology would say if we showed them the truth .

[@JuliaLane-u6c]

I know for a fact the faces and shapes are real. I studied them and Also found stones and wood were made exactly like shapes of clouds which have also kept shame designs and travel same directions

[@audreylowry1316]

We are in. We have an astounding collection!!

[@mchervino]

They should have recorded you and posted it to KZbin under the title, some random weirdo squawking nonsense about rocks being artifacts. Dude, give up the delusions making your blood pressure soar. Those are just rocks.

[@syjohnson2989]

Hey man... I have hundreds of ancient portable native american rocks... I would love to show you some of them.

[@syjohnson2989]

BTW, I am a enrolled member of the Seneca Nation of Indians in NY. I live in an old house on the Alleghany reservation. My basement is unfinished dirt floor, so the archeological site was already dug for me 120 years ago. Almost every rock in my basement has a face on it, a face on all sides of the rock, and the harder stones, chert, I think, have incredible images all over them.

[@syjohnson2989]

I'd like to join you in you fight to change main stream archeologists mind set

[@Aneia-qz6rn]

I have a collection of hundreds, maybe in the thousands, not one arrowhead, of such art, effigies, tools, etc. To me either theory is mindblowing. If they are man-made, which I believe most of them are, then ancient man was much more talented than given credit for. If not, & they are a mother neature feature, then nature & rocks are much more talented, & possess consciousness, than given credit for. How they do not see the massive paradox in claiming they are, & giving credit to, an inanimate(?!) creative force is boggling in & of itself! Not even sure that gets my point across cuz it seems difficult to articulate my incredulity, so I can only hope that I may have initiated a train of thought to now-here land. Greetings natives...

[@EvanRobinson85]

If you think these are man made then you probably don't even have one artifact. Not hundreds or thousands. Lol

[@kirtstoneking5339]

And that’s what two know everything-nothing-at-alls look like!!! Poses

[@jeffbailey2557]

These are clearly artifacts what makes the so called archeology world believe that other things such as rock art don't exist . These civilization and cultures were more intelligent than given credit for. Keep up good work your artifacts are very nice finds.

[@ricktraystuart2182]

Pls don't let the slow pokes Get I your way Si r. Closed minds are a xhame.

[@adammatthew9984]

Hey Chris I have some stuff you need to see. No offense to your Collection at all I just can't get anyone to listen to me about what I have and they are not effigy's or rock art they are actually tools and weapons from Midwest America.