Archer tells T'pol about Zefram Cochrane's crazy speech

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[@nicholasmaude6906]

"He was frequently intoxicated" - well if you'd lived through a global thermonuclear war that killed billions of humans no doubt you'd develop a drinking problem.

[@RurouniKalainGaming]

600million.

[@dickbahls9012]

I seem to recall in lore that he turned to drinking because he no longer had access to his medication for his mental condition. I don't imagine living through the war helped either though...

[@jblyon2]

@@dickbahls9012 Hell, I have enough problems WITH my medication!

[@markfox1545]

@@RurouniKalainGaming - more than that were killed. 600 million would barely put a dent in Earth's human population.

[@GerOffYeWeeBastard]

If I lived through a global thermonuclear war, my chief concern would be finding enough of a supply to develop a drinking problem!

[@girl1213]

Zefram Cochrane was smart enough to *know* he wouldn't be believed. Hell, he didn't believe it himself until he personally witnessed everything. But he sent his warning anyway because he knew it would be recorded. Hidden under the reality that he was a drunk would keep people from taking it too seriously, but his fame would keep it from being forgotten. Just a funny story about the first warp-flight pilot. And what do you know: Archer found the truth behind his warning and that's what saved them from being attacked in the 22nd Century and allowed history to go unalerted by the 24th Century. Just one funny little story saved the future and propelled the name Enterprise to be the Borg's dreaded enemy ship that would ultimately destroy them. Not bad for a drunk.

[@kirishima638]

Except the MASSIVE plot hole that Cochrane never encountered nor knew about the Borg in First Contact. And the away team wouldn’t have told him. The Borg were confined to the Enterprise E in that movie.

[@NATIK001]

@@kirishima638 Lily knew, she saw the Borg and learned of their goals and fought them enough to understand them. There is no reason to suspect Lily wouldn't have shared her experiences on the Enterprise with Cochrane.

[@kirishima638]

@@NATIK001 that’s a good point! I forget about her completely as the character is so pointless!

[@58HeroZero]

Breadcrumbs...

[@thegrimmretails3777]

I'm sure Lily Sloan encouraged him to drop the subject.

[@blinkenschnaag777]

The Vulcans knew the truth. They knew Picard and his crew came by the time Zefram Cochrane was launching The Phoenix. They just didn't talk about it.

[@iona2225]

It involved time travel. If the Vulcan higher ups had released the report; there would be a LOT of questions about the high 'n mighty Vulcan Science guys that said it was impossible.

[@KryptonianChaos1]

Riker said they fled the scene without the Vulcans noticing

[@orvillemeadows3492]

I think there’s a lot the Vulcans didn’t tell us

[@raymondcanessa7208]

they couldn't handle the truth

[@joshuadesautels]

"The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible."

[@kuma477]

It’s like a loop between enterprise and next generation

[@Paveway-chan]

Regardless of how this plot point soft-breaks the lore, I *still* love this episode and how it ties in with First Contact

[@Foebane72]

It doesn't damage the lore at all, Enterprise is seeing the cybernetic creatures Cochran described, for themselves.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

It doesn't break lore

[@dickbahls9012]

Canonically, the first encounter between the Fed and the Borg was in "Q Who" when Q flung the Ent-D to the cube. The Borg were a complete unknown to Picard, which would not have been the case if Archer left even a passing log entry about this encounter. That said I really like this episode too lol

[@AdamEspersona]

@@dickbahls9012 That said, the Borg were still not known by name in this era. Also, 200 years had passed between Archer and Picard’s era. And not all logs or records survive the passage of time.

[@Paveway-chan]

@@dickbahls9012 How do you mean canonically, in this instance? The Fed's contact with the Borg form a time paradox. Picard encounters them, but then when they travel back in time (First Contact movie) then debris is left, which then reactivates in ENT: Regeneration and tries to get back. They send a signal to the Borg collective which has to travel so far through space that it only reaches the Borg in the 24th century, the same century as Picard's encounter, implying perhaps IT is responsible for the Borg invasions somehow

[@James-nl6fu]

"Frequently intoxicated?" What else can you do on this planet?

[@1TakoyakiStore]

Q Continuum: Q, you shouldn't have informed the humans of the borg before they were ready. Q: Well technically they already knew about them...

[@Salty_Balls]

Nothing gets a Vulcan woman as dry as time travel talk.

[@HailAnts]

I always felt that at the end of this episode Archer should have read a directive from Section 31 ordering him and the entire crew not to speak of any of the events they’d witnessed over the past few days..

[@grandparedpill2695]

Section 31 didn't exist yet because well the federation charter wasn't signed or even written at this point.

[@nefanyo5788]

@@grandparedpill2695 Section 31 posesses time travel

[@kargaroc386]

@@grandparedpill2695 Section 31 was a Starfleet organization, not necessarily UFP.

[@AlleluiaElizabeth]

@@nefanyo5788 Yeah, but if no one knows who they are b/c they aren't established, they'd have no authority behind their directive. It'd be like receiving a directive from the Paw Patrol. The response would just be a bemused "who?"

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

I always wondered, how did Picard not know of the Borg debris? You would think he would be OCD about not contaminating the timeline.

[@attiepollard7847]

Is it known in Star Trek universe that a borg debris can contain technology work and replicate its own self if not then we can only hope that that debris either burnt up in the atmosphere or is drifting somewhere where it's not working

[@Ryan_Christopher]

Had to leave in a hurry once the Vulcans showed-up. Had the Ent-E lingered to mop-up debris, they would have been picked-up on sensors.

[@jonathansotelo4877]

Hypothesis: Assumed destroyed upon entry to earth's atmosphere. Landing in the polar ice caps was the most unlikely scenario, but the most unfortunate. The Borg sphere was orbiting above Montana, the North American Continent. If the Borg technology had crashed anywhere in the sea, it could have been destroyed by the pressure after sinking. If it had crashed anywhere on land, it would probably be at a melting point and too warped, damaged beyond repair. However, crashing in the polar ice caps probably allowed it to survive, because of the rapid cooling that could have prevented it from burning and even melting away after it made impact. It would be possible there was more wreckage that hit the planet, but did not survive like the two drones that survived in the ice caps. From a Borg Sphere which, according to Memory Alpha, has a crew compliment of 11,000. So, it might not be luck, as much as brute forcing the statistics.

[@blinkenschnaag777]

@@Ryan_Christopher But I assume the Vulcans knew about Picard's presence anyway. They just didn't talk about it, as long as Picard and his crew was just chilling there. You know, Vulcans keep secrets too. They knew time travel exists, they just didn't want humans to go there yet

[@Ryan_Christopher]

@@blinkenschnaag777 Enterprise E was more advanced than the Vulcan Science Vessel that made First Contact. Geordie would have known if those Vulcans had pinged them on sensors. Easy to hid behind the Moon’s dark side and wait for the Vulcans to land, and get distracted making First Contact. If you’ll recall only one person, Lilly, saw and knew about the Enterprise E warping back to the future.

[@josephmassaro]

Random Admiral from Starfleet Command: Congratulations are in order Captain. You stopped the Borg from changing history and removed all trace of their presence from Earth's past. Picard: Merde!

[@xaviercarr4718]

Picard: Well, that sucks! I guess I can kiss my Locutus persona good bye

[@ultramaximusreviews]

This is one of the best Enterprise episodes.

[@jamesgarner8262]

(The ENTERPRISE soars above ⬆️ around space; Archer looks on the computer 💻 about Zefram Cochrane’s greatest speech 🎤; the door 🚪 beeps) Archer: (talking to someone) Come in. (T’Pol enters Archer’s Ready Room) T’Pol: (talking to Archer) I’ve contacted

[@Martin_Hermann]

Let's just agree, that the canon is a giant mess and continue to admire Jolene Blalock's amazing figure!

[@isaackellogg3493]

“My TV Guide interview was six paragraphs about my _boobs_ and how they fit into my _uniform!”_

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Funny how she's the only female Vulcan dressed like that.

[@Revkor]

the best way to get around it is Enterprise is a DIRECT result of First Contact..

[@Butler_Buck]

Great scene. Great episode putting Enterprise firmly in canon. The Borg had to wonder if the federation had any ships not named Enterprise that would cause them concern.

[@kdrapertrucker]

Or defiant

[@Butler_Buck]

@@kdrapertrucker But Defiant wasn't around for all three Borg incursions. Great 'little' ship, though, and was the best thing about DS9.

[@somewhereoutthere8405]

“Target acquired…Species 5618. Threat classification.. Enterprise!”

[@damiencrowley5039]

Voyager

[@blinkenschnaag777]

@@Butler_Buck What about in ST First Contact? kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5Wxk4mugrN5rM0

[@boqndimitrov8693]

this series was good at creating points of contact with the rest of the stories in the franchise. ❤

[@timothyhiggins8934]

I miss this damn show

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

It is kinda Neil Armstrong saying in a commencement speech that he fought Martian invaders on Moon.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

He was joking, of course. Probably a fan of Ray Bradbury (like me).

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

@@virginiaconnor8350 😀

[@Scyllax]

Didn't he?

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

@@Scyllax It is classified.

[@Scyllax]

@@thiagodeandrade7081 The actual fiber-optic technology they used on the moon has been declassified.

[@wdbldr67]

They did a Great Job with this episode. Great Writing and Acting. In some ways this episode sets itself apart from much of the first 2 seasons.

[@user-kn9pt8ir8n]

Those group of humans were Picard Enterprise crew i think

[@ai6894]

Regardless of whether or not Starfleet/Section 31 kept the Borg incursion under wraps I enjoyed the nudge to _Deep Space 9_ about Tarkaleans (tea).

[@psvids2228]

Mr Worf Quantum torpedoes! Fire!

[@mrconductor144]

Its funny, the first word is Archer in the title, and yet i see below a link for the actual T.V show "Archer"

[@WhiteScarsEmo]

You would think that once they had regained control of the Enterprise-E, Picard and crew would've done as much damage control as they could: make sure they got as much of the Borg remnants as they could. Corpses of the drones they dislodged from the deflector dish, debris from the sphere, et al.

[@grandparedpill2695]

This just showed one thing that Picard wasn't perfect.

[@smartalec2001]

I guess they had to get out of Dodge before the Vulcans noticed them.

[@NuclearFridge1]

"Oh yeah! Lieutenant Hawk! Where did his murdered carcass end up? Oh, well, never mind... We have a heroic exit all lined up. Let's... ' Make It So!!!'"

[@ncc1701chris]

That group of humans Archer was referring to that stopped the Borg is Captain Jean-Luc Picard and his crew of the USS Enterprise Starfleet registry NCC- 1701-E.......the movie( first contact )

[@marshmallowmonster7731]

Well duh we know :)

[@Fishface000]

@@marshmallowmonster7731 hey that's classified information, I'm informing starfleet command

[@InfernosReaper]

Which is why Enterprise takes place in an branched timeline, which does a surprisingly good job at explaining away some of the continuity hiccups between Enterprise and the rest of the shows.

[@absolutez3r019]

@@InfernosReaper but even in Voyager 7 of 9 confirms the borg were present at first contact. And while Picard was formally introduced to the Borg in Q,Who? He had already encountered them in the Neutral Zone while investigating the disappearance of their colonies

[@josechavez3977]

Captain obvious reporting for duty

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

This was a great scene I remember seeing it when I was a kid.

[@timbuktu8069]

I would love to see them tie in Metamorphosis from TOS. Cochrane is alive and well and living with an alien

[@agm8554]

Dr. Zefram Cochrane had long since disappeared by the time of Enterprise. As I recall, he disappeared in 2119 while making what he believed would be his final voyage. A few years later, Dr. Henry Archer (Captain Jonathan Archer's father) died. Captain Archer was just a little one when his father died and probably hadn't been born yet when Cochrane disappeared.

[@girl1213]

@@agm8554Archer's birthyear is 2112, and Henry's death-year is 2124. So Archer was 7 when Cochrane disappeared and 12 when his father died. And it took him about 27 years until he flew his father's ship, around the same age range Cochrane would have been when he made First Contact with the Vulcans.

[@agm8554]

@@girl1213 I stand corrected. Thanks.

[@blondegirlsezthis8798]

Jolene Blaylock could have acted every part in pantomime and I would watch it without any other characters

[@Vhailor_Mithras]

I don't think even Zefram would've had the whole story. How much would the Enterprise Crew tell him besides the basics of what's going on?

[@JimElford]

They didn't mention it in the film. At all. Why would they. Clearly the showrunners were stretching credibility here.

[@Vhailor_Mithras]

Actually, they did mention it to him. They were trying to convince him to continue with his original plan to fly the Phoenix. Zefram says "Let me get this straight." And Rikers' simple reply was "That's right." Before showing him the Enterprise through his Telescope. He simply knows that they were Cybernetic Organisms from the future. From what I can tell, he didn't know their name, where they came from, or that it wasn't just Humans but all species that were in danger.

[@JimElford]

@@Vhailor_Mithras ah my mistake, good excuse to rewatch it so! Enjoyable movie but my god they dgaf about the temporal prime directive did they :) quick, sedate Lily! Oh but tell Zef everything

[@agm8554]

@@JimElford It was a Catch-22. Either violate the Temporal Prime Directive and save all organic life in the Alpha Quadrant or obey it and allow the Borg to execute their master plan.

[@vdoggydogg3922]

How did archer know the plot to first contact...anazing

[@shauncraigparkinson8165]

This is Star Trek, not Discovery

[@rj-yy2gm]

Amen brother! Discovery is nothing but shallow characters and flashy graphics trying to be like "Transformers". No depth whatsoever. Plus it doesn't tie into the true timeline.

[@SyzygyNoon]

This clip is ridiculously sharp. I want to play with T’Pol’s ears, but she would break my wrists.

[@anthonylegore1517]

That's a Ferengi thing.

[@SyzygyNoon]

@@anthonylegore1517 Lobes..

[@theSpartan187]

I love this callback

[@raideurng2508]

Dun dun dun.....

[@douglaslarson7081]

This clip is from S02 E23, titled "Regeneration".

[@paulh2468]

If it meant I could hang around with Jeri Ryan, I would definitely not resist becoming a Borg.

[@sophiefaure6068]

foutez moi la PAIX BORDEL !!!!

[@KENOMAN1969]

The crazy thing is if the enterprise had not stopped the Borg that they encountered, the collective would probably have ended up more powerful. The ship would have continued on assimilating other vessels getting faster and faster, eventually reaching trans warp speeds and getting to the collective with future technology that the Borg should not have had. As a result, when the enterprise finally did encounter the Borg, they would have been far more powerful than they actually were when we first saw them in Qwho?

[@spd579]

There are always possibilities.

[@RTDT_777]

she was a Vulcan for real yawl

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Could've been "worse"; could've been 1/2 Romulan if Manny Coto had his way-and "Enterprise" lasted another 3 seasons. Actually, Saavik in "WOK" wasn't so bad.

[@niggaSCREECH]

Some would say that Zephram Cochran liked to dream; Yes, yes, right between the sound machine.

[@JB-yb4wn]

On a cloud of sound I drift in the night Any place it goes is right Goes far, flies near To the stars away from here Yep Zeppy had a good choice in music.

[@boilerboy]

If I was ever going to enter into an episode, just like the kid in "Last Action Hero", this would be it. I would throw out the temporal prime directive and tell the whole history of Star Trek and the Borg. I'd especially defend Capt. Picard's actions, because he was not in control of himself as a drone, in the massacre of Wolf 359. And I wonder how they'd take the idea that the Enterprise was flung into the Delta Quadrant by an omnipotent being known as Q. Forget about Vulcans not believing in time travel. This kind of revelation would knock them flat on their logical asses.

[@cleekmaker00]

And herein lies the 'problem' with Fandom, especially Trek Fandom; too many try to show off their Trek knowledge and come up with some sort of plausible answer instead of just going with the Story the way the Writers came up with it. Too many try to overanalyze the Characters' motives and decisions like they're Starfleet Officers themselves.

[@chrismaguire3667]

How was it that Q, having introduced Picard and Co to the Borg for 'the first time', didn't know about the temporal incursion that the Borg and the Enterprise -E had in the Earth's 21 century. Come to think, why wasn't the Cochrane Lecture not on the E's database, nor Data not have any apparent clue about the Borg's reappearance on Archer's watch? Was it all *that* classified by Starfleet Intelligence? As Janeway said, temporal mechanics give me *such* a migraine!😋

[@chrismaguire3667]

Oh, just remembered - the Temporal Prime Directive.

[@chrismaguire3667]

Oops, getting my timeframing mixed up. Daniels will not be pleased and I may be getting a visit from Temporal Investigations - Kirk may have meddled with time, but I blame Cpt. Braxton! I did mean the early to mid 22nd Century, not the 21st, where Col. Green was ripping the place up.

[@haczabim]

0:10 WOAH! KILL ME GODDESS!!

[@misterlau5246]

And Cochrane sang. Obviously nobody's gonna believe Borg-like dudes from the future and the Enterprise-E-like crew also from the future did a wibbly wobbly timey wimey

[@timengland3649]

The BORG! Resistance is futile

[@mrp8488]

If you're going to upload these clips, at least make note of the Season, & episode number.

[@richyrich7260]

Season 2, Regeneration.

[@Erekose2023]

Cochrane was originally a scientist of the 'old school' Think of the likes in Lensmen and Subspace Explorers by E.E. 'Doc' Smith. It was a shame they had to deconstruct the character for the film :(

[@JimElford]

I liked that Cochrane was broken, but the Ent crew gave him hope again...enough to achieve his destiny. Proof we all have a chance :)

[@smartalec2001]

The new world will always have to be built by the last men and women of the old one.

[@drunkweebmarine9492]

I’m frequently intoxicated

[@nicholasmaude6906]

In regards to the Borg ST: Voyager missed a big opportunity - discovering the origins of the Borg Collective.

[@tails0420ify]

The Vaudwar know where they came from. They even know their homeworlds location.

[@TheZetaKai]

I'm actually glad that we never learned their canonical origins. Voyager did enough to erode the Borg's mystique; seeing their homeworld or finding their ancient history would have defanged them even more. They are like the Joker: it doesn't matter where they came from, or how they came to be how they are.

[@JimElford]

Mystery > explanation every time. See Prometheus.

[@WhiteScarsEmo]

@@TheZetaKai Voyager really Nerfed the Borg (and Species 8472) during it’s run. And the Q, personally.

[@zamoragera13]

What's wrong with being frequently intoxicated ?

[@TomUlcak]

hmmm... big detail missing. anyone else see it?

[@emancoy]

T'Pol is hot AF

[@carlosrvra]

I didn't care for this episode. No disrespect to the NX-01, but the reactivated Borg tech in this ep is STILL from the 24th Century, and if 24th Century ships and crews have issues dealing with the Borg, it's crazy to think that the NX-01 could defeat them. Doesn't matter how little tech remained... it's STILL 24th Century Borg tech, which can assimilate and upgrade pretty much anything. It also felt as if the writers/producers were like, "People like the Borg, so lets shoe-horn the Borg in!" :D ... That being said, not trying to convince anyone who enjoys seeing the Borg on ENTERPRISE to not like the ep. I can see why some folx would like the ep; I'm just not one of them.

[@TheFloorface]

i agree and disagree. at the start the ship they were chasing was small and under powered but clearly being upgraded. it took essentially a very short time before it was on par with the enterprise and would have quickly surpassed it. my big issue was the drones on the enterprise beaming back over to their ship as it was about to explode. why??? they already had the crew beat and they were just signing their own death certificates going back. the enterprise should have been assimilated.

[@Utubesuperstar]

Well they were adapted for 24th century tech they got plastered by the enterprise d until they were able to adapt, and they had to make due with a 22nd century shitbox so there is only so much they can do

[@spiritualjoy721]

I didn’t like including the Borg nor the Farengi (ignore misspelling )in Enterprise as neither were introduced until The Next Generation.

[@MORE1500]

Real power rests with the scriptwriters, not the Borg. They had to make the story work.

[@InfernosReaper]

@@spiritualjoy721 the Borg at least helped explain some continuities errors away as "alternate timeline" but bringing in those space goblins was definitely a mistake.

[@tomlichnofsky.7048]

🖖🖖😊🖖🖖🍁

[@tomwotton9]

I’d forgotten that the Borg that Archer meets would of course have come from the future.

[@RMJ1984]

For all the faults of this shows overuse of time travel. It's a shame they never did a time travel cross over between Enterprise and TNG crew.

[@teleportedbreadfor3days]

This probably wouldn't go with your channel's theme with the kind of videos you upload, but would you be willing to make a comp of T'Pol being jealous. She's had quite the streak expressing jealousy over Trip and reminding him of past actions, like when he unintentionally got pregnant on that alien freighter.

[@reapergamingcentral4238]

ST:FIRST CONTACT Easter Egg

[@LordTalax]

So the Borg are heading back to Borgia because every species seems to have the same name as their homeworld?

[@foxthx1138]

Of course! - Earthican

[@kevinmcdonald8241]

Borgia? Then their leader was not the hive queen, but a piano player named Victor?

[@TheZetaKai]

Qo'noS =/= tlhIngan

[@jonathansotelo4877]

Boogiea. It was an experiment gone wrong to get the galaxy to party as one.

[@juliapigworthy]

In STTOS episode The Man Trap there's a scene when Professor Crater's wife, Nancy, said the dead crewman (murdered by the illusion-projecting salt monster masquerading as Nancy) had died eating a Borgia Plant? Maybe the ruins on the world Crater was studying were from the original civilisation that became the Borg.

[@cypheron3030]

Cochrane is fucking amazing.

[@thejamesasher]

i cant help but wonder if any babies will be born in montana about 10 years from now and named zephram. i just looked, there are over 100 people with the last name cochrane in montana!

[@rj-yy2gm]

Zefram Cochrane farted

[@terryrose4804]

Your Odysee got shut down?! I'm so sorry.

[@kellyberry]

Wait if its been public knowledge The Borg were coming u think they would have prepared sooner maybe Picard would not have been assimilated at the Battle of Wolf 359 its odd how Captain Kirk never encountered them, however 1701-D USS Enterprise encounterd them a few times

[@SeansModelBuilds]

Maybe the files were buried after 2 centuries?

[@virginiaconnor8350]

Guess he and his crew probably never crossed paths with them or the Ferengi.

[@TheZetaKai]

Section 31 seemed to be aware of the Borg.