Are Boxes TOO EXPENSIVE and Pricing Collectors Out?

[@jstymie]

There's no good way to say this without sounding shitty, but it's hard to take this topic seriously on this channel, of all channels, when you're very much part of the problem. Since 2019, the hobby has seen an influx of investors and speculators that have mostly run traditional collectors out of the hobby. The speculation crowd has convinced everyone that the only cards worth owning are rookie cards and amateur / draft cards of completely unproven players while continuing to devalue all but the 2-3 highest hype vets in every sport / product. You mentioned in this video that you told people to not chase Anthony Richardson, but you literally have videos on this channel where you were doing Anthony Richardson chases. The same investing / speculator crowd has also convinced the majority of the hobby that their cards aren't worth anything ungraded, flooding the market with unnecessary middle men adding additional layers of cost. Pull a card that is worth $40? You need to pay someone $25 to get people to agree it's a $40 card rather than relying on their own eyes. Your business also has breaking division. Breakers and resellers buy up the majority of the product available at launch at MSRP, and then immediately adjust their prices to match reseller prices or sites like Blowout Cards. You could run your breaks with prices based on the MSRP you bought the product at, but you don't -- you take the surge pricing happily every time. You partner with, and promote, services like Arena Club that are nothing are repacks that typically are giving half the value of the buy-in at best. It's literally just a gambling mechanic to create additional profit opportunities out of unwanted cards. Sacrifice 8-10 good cards to put up as an impossibly low % chase in order to get people pay double for cards they didn't actually want. Everything you complain about in this video, you could be doing so much more to make the hobby better for the traditional collector -- but you are not. This is one of the most "pass the buck" videos you could possibly find on KZbin. You're encouraging the worst parts of the hobby that you're complaining about while reaping the profits that are hurting the traditional collector.

[@Nuttyirishman85]

I’m with ya, this guy and the Goldn guy have ruined collecting. He’s talking about boxes, like he buys them with his weekly paycheck, and hopes for a hit. Talking current boxes, that are driven up in price by this KZbin hype. Elitists talking cards. Keep destroying it.

[@dougpetty2128]

Nice post

[@vernonsamera8815]

It's been a investment type collecting with investment companies that offer you this as an option.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@joeyyogotti]

@@jstymie very well said, it honestly couldn't of been said any better!!

[@jordanhiram9294]

this isnt a hobby anymore, its a gambling system designed to get you hooked and steal your money, wake up people your being played

[@tonysteel1377]

Absolutely!!

[@JohnZBaeZ]

You're right. The boxes in retail could've been Scanned. Bought several 2024 Prizm football back then at Target. There was absolutely nothing great in the packs except average 5 cards

[@jagggd]

100%. Anyone argues otherwise is in denial

[@MykalFolkers]

I need rehab for buying cards lmaooo

[@ronaldedwards3587]

Amen

[@TheBnicholas1606]

Now?? It's been too high for years. I can't afford to spend a weeks income on cards

[@Mental_Dragon]

Kids will hardly ever have the experience of pulling an awesome card because you have to buy non-retail boxes that are super expensive for a better chance to get something.

[@anthonyb9436]

Come on Geoff, why is no one talking about Topps and other companies allowing Breakers to purchase unlimited cases while they only provide independent card shops a very low or limited amount of cases. Social media Breakers (i.e. free marketing for the card companies) and card companies are ruing the hobby. It’s not supply and demand when card companies are making special hobby boxes, retail boxes, etc. whereby you cannot pull the same cards out of them.

[@greatscott526]

It's not just kids 😢😅

[@BrewsAndBreaks]

Definitely not just kids. I still get exciting pulling for others but damn..would love to pull something for myself

[@wayneburbrink1215]

I can remember pulling a bird rc plus a mj rc most of the 86 fleer set and a brett hull rc from a shop in Waldorf MD tried to get the 76 Peyton rc but had to pay 200 for a fresh pack pulled one

[@samsonbabayan6894]

ASSUME THEY HAVENT BEEN RESEALED FROM SOMEONE FIRST OPENING THEM.

[@RandyBandana]

80s kid here, I feel sad when I think about no one today will ever get to know the feeling of trading with friends in school at recess, or spending a $1 or $2 on a few packs of cards and pulling an 87 Jordan sticker, 88 Jordan Fleer etc putting it directly into penny sleeve and top loader, looking up the value in Beckett price guide #1 Jordan cover, thumbing through those black and white pages looking up the values, having them in a Air Jordan shoe box still to this day, yeah maybe not a millionaire but that feeling was 🔥💯🤘 All this garbage today makes me sad 😢

[@shaneh2755]

I 2nd this! Well said. Its sad. I still collect cards, but its hard to stay in the game. I decided to stay with only certain products. The prices today are ridiculous. Kids are definitely being priced out of the fun.

[@HarperBomb]

You nailed it Randy. I use to live to get the new Becket mag, just to see if the Gregg Jeffries rookie went up to $10 or cards going up a couple bucks cause someone was hot that moth. Not hearing about JoJo’s 1/1 auto gold for $100,000.

[@RandyBandana]

@HarperBomb Exactly 💯🤘 Hey remember on the back you could order previous months issue unless it was crossed out in red OUT OF STOCK 😕🤣 I use to do that IMMEDIATELY if I couldn't find it at the store 🤬 THEY SOLD OUT FAST!!!

[@thomaswood2319]

Same here. Its just ridiculous whats happened to the hobby we had growing up. I remember pulling an 85 Topps Dwight Gooden and thought I hit the jack pot. it was maybe a $7 card. I think it reached as high as $10-$15. Todays hobby, that would be a $1000 card but you would have to get it graded first. We put them in 9 pocket sheets, not penny sleeves. That came later for us, lol.

[@RandyBandana]

@thomaswood2319 Hell yeah The 9 pocket sheets in the 3 ring binder 💯🤘 Still have mine but now I use it for my Sports illustrated mags and 90s Beckett basketball Guides and mini books

[@TheUnratedsoldier]

people dont like breakers because they contribute to the price increases of boxes since they are constantly buying wax and making a profit off of it. Yes, it does make it affordable for people to buy in for one team or player, but this also takes away peoples chances of buying a hobby box at a cheaper price.

[@vintagecollector5340]

It's not how much they're buying, its why they're still buying. Obviously, they keep buying, because people are always buying into breaks. Truthfully, I don't blame breakers for profiting and doing good for themselves. Its not their fault that people love buying into product. It's like someone sitting at a casino and winning good on a slot machine; they're not going to leave the machine in the middle of them hitting good.

[@chasejackson7248]

I don't like the people that buy into breaks so the breakers can keep doing it.

[@SlickRipTheRuler]

It's so crazy and ridiculous that it's not even worth complaining anymore!🤦🏽‍♂️

[@George_D_13]

Wish I read this before I typed an essay in the comments. You’re so right.

[@dljtwo]

This one is a little confusing Geoff. Because earlier this week you were praising the $8k box release saying it was severely under-priced and now you seem to be playing both sides of the fence. The hobby is broken, whales and degenerate gamblers are to blame, and to be frank, the only thing that will fix it is the Feds and regulation. It's sad but it's the truth and I'm all for it. The major players are too blind to see that they're dragging this hobby further into the crosshairs of regulation because the money involved is getting ridiculous.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@jerryb19531953]

Yea I saw that episode where he says 8000.00 is way under priced. Now seeing this video, he's nothing but a 2 faced liar.

[@joshuayoung9037]

They have been over priced. 20 dollar blasters between 40 and 50. retail prizm Megas use to be 40 with a guaranteed auto. Now they are 100. Greed has taken all the fun out of collecting.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@jcwilson4295]

Ofcourse its over priced, I think 300 bucks for a box of 15 cards made of cardboard? Its a joke and not the hobby it was.

[@LocoD829]

Everything has gotten out of hand with sports cards. You have people paying thousands of dollars for RPA’s and Downtowns….all because of the hype. These cards can’t sustain these values long term. All the repacks and breaking….just money grabs. I’ve been collecting since the 80’s junk wax area and the hobby is so much of a business now instead of a hobby.

[@stinky3shoes491]

Damn right , it's all chasing that 1 or 2 rookie cards, rookie cards are racing box prices . Look at years in baseball with no great rookie cards, they cheap.

[@elitebaseball2041]

Especially when that player has two bad games and his price drops 20%

[@JoeyMossBBG]

Yes. I won't purchase a box unless prices come down 50%. When it's common to crack a box and extract less than 25% of what I paid for that box in cards, it's easy to pass and just buy the cards I'm looking for.

[@Coop0]

I know dude. Greed is ruining everything.

[@JoeyMossBBG]

@@Coop0 it really is and I understand capitalism but I am looking forward to the day these outrageous prices backfire on card companies and they're forced to lower prices. Last time I bought a National Treasures box was in 2007 football. Paid $500. Now they're 16x and no game used jerseys. What a f'n joke. I enjoy breaks but it's obvious breakers are allowing these prices to continue. They are the biggest customer with all the volume they push. The average guy can maybe afford a $50-$100 break entry but this is starting to remind me of the lottery. Just another poor mans tax.

[@BobbyHo2022]

@@JoeyMossBBG oh id never.... lol

[@anthonyb9436]

@@JoeyMossBBG remember it’s the card companies who allow the Breakers to buy so much of the inventory from the same billionaire who came into Geoff’s store talking about how he was for the kids and the hobby, etc. etc. blah blah blah … and now we have unlicensed Wemby boxes coming out at astronomical $$$$$ per box!

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@SlickShoes]

Funny you put this video out right after telling people $8000 per wemby box is a deal lol

[@RetailRipper]

amazing stuff isnt it?

[@jordanapodaca23]

​@@RetailRipperretarded to say the least

[@bubblesnz1059]

Except it is... The rare product where the floor is close to box price

[@rosscook7404]

Geoff pumps his interests

[@benjaminlyng8269]

Didn’t he just say that box should be $16k, like earlier this week? People must realize this channel is a vanity project for him - must be bleeding money in every aspect of the biz. Cannot see how this works.

[@rogerbarker2231]

BACKYARD BREAKS ARE THE WORST IN THE BUSINESS!!!

[@DetroitTyler]

I just buy singles, I don't know how people afford to collect via sealed.

[@Alurvful]

It's called financial ruin. 🤣

[@erichjenson7278]

Singles and just buy the cards you want.

[@LeonidasCahill]

I like singles as well, but certain sets are good.

[@erichjenson7278]

@@LeonidasCahill That’s understandable, I do some as well, but not nearly as much as I have in the past

[@LeonidasCahill]

@@erichjenson7278 Yeah, singles are good if you just want certain cards without the mess and uncertainty of breaks

[@tone.]

2013/14 Panini Prizm Basketball Hobby Box $59.95 This is from my invoice on 2/19/2015. Prizm Basketball Hobby now is $1k Literally out of control

[@LeanderJD]

i started collecting in 2021.... you have to be kidding me they actually were that cheap... my goodness this is insane...

[@mikestettler1177]

Just did the same 2018 score hobby football $80, this year $200. You get 4 auto's per box and its full of generic defensive players because of how much they are printing now.

[@Slb5988]

But you paid the 1k …..

[@tone.]

​@@Slb5988I did not. Stopped buying Hobby prizm in 2015.

[@tone.]

​@@Slb5988I did not. Stopped buying prizm Hobby in 2015.

[@BinSimmons]

Boxes priced too high, influencers getting juiced/hot boxes with product hits (always the same bunch), the resell market & bots snapping up hyped releases and retail product, & now the CT scanning meaning buying any mid-high end boxes are even more of a gamble. There's a whole lot of issues.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@JoeyMossBBG]

You lost me at slab packs. Those guys are just recouping their losses from mass breaking. Those are worse than box value today. Not all repacks but those are no bueno

[@Billwilson8]

Arena Club is one of the only transparent companies when it comes to repacks. I don’t love repacks either, but the real people trying to recoup from mass breaking are people like backyard breaks who package up $15-$30 cards with a $60 price tag. Just because you get bad luck once, doesn’t mean Arena Club is on the same level as backyard breaks

[@JoeyMossBBG]

@@Billwilson8 I watched a lot of videos and no one fairs well. Lots of L's. I get it's a chase but I'd be better off chasing my ex around the strip club

[@Billwilson8]

@@JoeyMossBBG very true, like I said, I don’t like repacks either. I’m just saying at least Arena Club actually has the balls to show you a checklist. Other companies just say there are “big grails” in their products but nobody ever sees them or hits them. Either way, I agree most repacks suck and most breakers suck

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@KMAN_CORNER]

I'm priced out now it's a rich man's hobby now

[@chunter3882]

Buying single cards or lots is the way to go. I spent $600 on 4 boxes. Only got about $300 back in value.

[@user-ed1yx2fq7l]

Duh. Especially retail boxes. You spend 40 dollars to open $1 worth of cards

[@cheese423]

7 years ago I could walk into a card shop with about 60 bucks in my pocket and open half a box of Phoenix football. Mahomes class, too. Nowadays one pack is more than that. Sad stuff

[@JamesGlucksman-z9q]

Prices for boxes are too high, especially since they are diluting products by increasing the numbers of parallels and reducing the hits in the boxes

[@ronniemac1980]

Breaks are a huge problem with the prices of boxes. Breakers may give people a chance at hitting something cool at an affordable price, but it also drives the box prices up when Topps and Panini etc think the market has a larger thirst for boxes, so they print more and price the product higher. It’s a double edged sword.

[@jimbriggs8648]

Unless you have Geoff Wilson money, hard working shmucks like me can't.

[@joshuajohnson7519]

Marry money like he did.

[@georgeramos3632]

Geoff makes his money by promoting dealers and card companies especially PSA grading….and PSA is a major ripoff..

[@George_Gilbert]

@@georgeramos3632that’s why he got so many 10’s. Remember he went to the nationals and all the cards he graded came back a 10. 🤣

[@jimbriggs8648]

@@George_Gilbert He just likes to say "the National".

[@jimbriggs8648]

@@joshuajohnson7519 money doesnt buy happiness. Nor does PSA 10's lol

[@CRATEtv]

Me and all my collector friends aren't buying anymore boxes. Screw these greedy companies. Everyone should do the same and STOP BUYING WAX!!!!

[@nydibs]

They need to stop buying into breaks

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@ogshoeplugogshoeplug5039]

The title of the video states the obvious. Of course, Prices are out of control and you Geoff Wilson are part of the PROBLEM.

[@sourcingsailor4987]

It's Geoff, but I totally get your point.

[@pedrocardenas7007]

If cards lost their value. Would the hobby be this big? No. This is a money grab plain and simple.

[@user-ed1yx2fq7l]

If the dollar lost its value would the economy be this big? No. This is a money grab plain and simple.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@thejosh_roberts]

Yes that's ridiculous! I personally will never spend more than $100 on a hobby box.

[@stinky3shoes491]

Most should be 100-150$ some nicer hobby I can see 200-250 but never more. Average hobby box should be 100-200. No more it's getting crazy.

[@donster32]

No disrespect to your 32 mn video...save yourself some time...YES...its TOO EXPENSIVE! Singles only from here on out.

[@MPsCards]

I bought a box of Cosmic last year just for fun. And it was fun This year’s price has me skipping it.

[@user-ed1yx2fq7l]

I can’t remember opening a box ever. It’s an obvious scam. Watch my friend open them all the time and he hardly gets shit

[@andiepaige2871]

Absolutely, yes! I am no longer ripping for this reason

[@redscreenrattler]

As long as there are people willing to pay these ridiculous prices prices will remain the same if not go up even more

[@matthewpagh9522]

Yep, it is beyond out of control, unless you are full time in the Hobby for a living the average collector cannot justify these prices.

[@Cloverhope23]

re-packs were a thing since the 90's, my local card shop had where you could see the first and last card, with maybe 30-40 cards in between. and the 1st card was usually worth the price of the pack.

[@anthonyb9436]

Regulations would be in interesting topic to cover considering this is legalized gambling for kids.

[@TheCardDeal]

Agree it would be interesting, however no kids are buying this product at these prices. Adults with jobs, disposable income is the buyers that are targeted. Look at the inserts. All designed to grasp at that age demographic hearts and memories as a kid. If a kid has that kind of cash for expensive boxes, I doubt that makes up for more than 1% of the buyers of current hobby prices.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@joemansmann4253]

The problem with breaks are if you pay 80 for a team you most likely wont get 80 dollars worth of cards

[@Tim.K.1976]

Yes of course they are the corporate greed is going to price people out of the hobby. Stop buying them and they may come down. The manufactured rarity is also killing the market all these new modern cards are priced way too high 😂

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@anthonysmith132]

The average collector not buying won't do much of anything. Its not the average collector that is the problem. Its people like this guy that do nothing to help it. People that continue to buy into breaks and give these breakers more and more of an audience. Breaking used to never be a problem. I remember like 12-15 years ago I would buy into a break for like $20 on ebay and got decent stuff. I could buy the team I wanted for less than $100 or buy into random team break and they would rip like a case of stuff. It was fun, it wasn't expensive you got decent enough stuff and maybe hit a big card. Now these dudes are going on WhatNot and selling a $1 card for $10 and people are buying it thinking nothing of it. They are selling $400 spots or more and opening maybe $500 of product and people think nothing of it. Why would a company ever stop selling a product at a high price, if people keep paying for it? It not the same situation, but look at Subway. People were outraged that a sub used to be a $5 footlong and then it became a $10 6" haha. Nothing about their overhead changed. Nothing about their product changed. They just could so they did.

[@coltscards1338]

Pay money for a break and you dont get shit

[@enragedfurbie128]

I mean, yeah, it's pretty obvious the prices are too high. It's going to come back down as breaking channels die off, but until then, it's a horrid marketplace.

[@MikelTulp]

Breaking is for suckers, try buying one team in any break, 95% of time you get nothing even close to money back, you have 1/32 chance to pull the best hit

[@anthonysmith132]

1/32 is generous. In any break, there are only a handful of teams that are actually good to have. Unless that 1/32 team you get actually has a card thats worth it. Which its very unlikely that card comes out because its typically a SP or SSP type card. Like for me, I collect Josh Allen and a few other Bills players. To get a decent Allen out of anything it needs to be numbered, or a case hit. So thats very unlikely. If you want a team with a good rookie, you are paying out of the ass for them and likely wont hit a decent card which is what it takes to make your money back. The only way a break is ever worth it is to have some type of guarantee back from the breaker that if you lose your ass, they will give you something or even part of your money back. Which, whose going to do that?? Or if the buy in is for a "random" team and the amount doesn't vary. You spend $50-100, or whatever the price may be. For a "spot" and have a 1/32 chance to get the best team with the best rookie.

[@JosephCahill-ww7pd]

Pricing is ridiculous 5 years ago you could buy prizm football for 150 now it's 10 times that done spending I hope these card companies go out business. There is no reason for these prices the operating cost and infrastructure costs are the same as 5 years ago

[@SwitchIT-Dev]

Yes, and this has been the case for years. Don’t think anything will change or reverse it now

[@brandonhenry5878]

Used to get into box breaks, COVID priced me out. Now box prices will be what ever box breakers will pay and still make a profit. If you what lower box prices do not participate in box breaks.

[@Elleon12]

Breakers ruined it and scummy companies who don't care about the collector. I will never buy sports cards again. We put these people too high on a pedestal and a lot of them are crummy people. No thanks...I'm done

[@tothetop-omaid]

The answer is yes

[@bigdebo7289]

From 2004-2019 or so, a typical box of a high end product (NT) came out AROUND 2k A CASE!! Group breakers have killed the box break for the common collector. I hate them all with a passion.

[@anthonyb9436]

Do not forget to look at who is providing the Breaker with the product!!!

[@chasejackson7248]

If people don't buy then breakers wouldn't exist.

[@pjgt34]

I only buy singles. F those insane prices.

[@skindocms]

Prices are outrageous. It's also frustrating that the breakers control all the product now. You basically have to gamble to hope to get decent cards or buy singles which is not nearly as much fun as opening the packs for yourself.

[@ThatwasaSTRIKE]

I’ve been buying singles for a while now, finding really good deals can be fun imo, just have to know where to find them

[@t904med]

Not even a question, YES!!!

[@MyangelsareimpulsiveBLESSED]

I'm doing a documentary on insiders purposely lying with video amd audio recording of them laughing at individuals. Many store owners/Breakers are in the hot seat. We are taking our love for our hobby/LOVE...NOT PRODUCT Back.

[@Inequities]

I have been in this hobby for 40 years. I have attended dozens of national conventions. I have owned a hobby store and I have been to hundreds if not 1000 trading card shows. I would love to be a part of your documentary, so please contact me!

[@altonT]

A box of cards or 3.4 ounces of gold. Yeah its a bit overpriced.

[@rashadjennings8739]

Box prices have to mention Topps Chrome Baseball. Fanatics is only going to make this worse.

[@SlickShoes]

Why would they do that when they are in bed with Rubin and Fanatics??

[@anthonyb9436]

@@SlickShoes one in the same, he owns Topps and Fanatics, and would buy Panini if they let him.

[@d3vast8n]

Hahaha! I've been priced out of the hobby for the past couple of years. So now I watch others set their money on fire while chasing the occasional hit so they can break even. Gambling for all ages, all you have to do is afford it.

[@Gdominion_hofcards]

box prices are only PART of the problem. I mean people pay 5...6...even 7 figures for individual cards. So clearly there's a market for high end product in the hobby. So I don't know that the problem is necessarily...or at least not ENTIRELY...the price of the boxes themselves. the REAL problem is when you spend $5K-$10K on a box of cards and end up with a couple hundred dollars in value worth of cards and have a miserable experience. that more than anything else is what is driving people away from ripping.

[@iparxo]

Lets all be honest and serious. Where were you 3 guys in 2005?? When boxes such as hockey which i have been in hobby 35+ years were only get this for 2005-06 THE CUP CROSBY OVECHKIN Rookie Card year was only $500.00usd equal to around $700.00 canadian and we could have bought from distributor instead of from card shops. Heck even 2005-06 Series 1 and 2 the boxes were only $55.00 canadian and were being sold at the Toronto Expo Show now fast forward to 2023-24 with BEDARD and boxes started off $130.00 canadian and then with the ponzie Pre-Order offering by a certain card shop went up to $400.00 a box and then Upper Deck called all them so called Online Authorized Shops in to California and no one has balls to talk about what was said by Upper Deck. Not only that but all them shops pulled pre sales from web sites and only re listed upon returning from Upper Deck meeting, so what does that have to say. At the present times everything is being Monopoly controlled cause Upper Deck put a stop clause to distributors that they can only sell to card shops that are authorized by upper deck same goes with Topps Panini similar Monopoly rules. Plus get this if a shop is not Online Authorized they cant advertise on web site with Upper Deck new product and they are limited to amount of product they can get from Distributors cause they wont follow Upper Deck protocols as to having same similar prices as all the rest of the shops. I know for fact that 2020-21 THE CUP a non authorized shop was selling case for $6500.00 Canadian with tax mean while them Monopoly controlling shops were selling that same case for $8200.00 plus tax extra and then in Box Case breaks Team Buys was totaling $9400.00. If we went back to open market where any one could buy from distributors or non authorized shops can buy 20 cases thus prices would go completely down on box boxes cases, cause at the moment its all being controlled by very few and profits are huge in box case breaks, This is where the big $$$$ revenue is for shops as no shop will open 15 cases of a product to sell singles they will go bust, so they have resorted to controlling regulations with card companies. If this dont change hobby will be finished. When you visit a card show how many dealers you see selling boxes unlike in the 90s 2000s many had boxes for sale, all that is now under Monopoly Control. Even distributors were able to set up at the Toronto Expo Show back in the day now they cant cause they be like under cutting the Monopoly Shops as they are the only ones able to sell at shows and have same prices. You can believe if you like but again try to compare what prices were with new products 10 or 15 years ago and now they are 10x more costly with damaged cards in products and less hits per box case.

[@Ty-qw1zn]

Simply stop buying boxes and buying into group breaks. Its painful to watch people still doing this. 10-15 years ago it was worth it now its an absolute scam... From literally thousands and thousands of breakers to the manufacturers getting insanely greedy by increasing product prices but decreasing quality. Im afraid this hobby ive been apart of for 35 years is going straight into the shitter and Fanatics will only make it worse

[@mikid1033]

Yes, it's no longer affordable. A big turn-off for collectors.

[@nate1111-b4u]

backyard breaks lol I don't doubt they have ct scanners

[@hotjoe817]

Yea, it’s bad, definitely not gonna buy as much anymore, greed rules this fallen evil world, I saw 2 nt boxes open, pure garbage, save your money, im glad Geoff realizes how pricey these boxes are, way to go geoff

[@caryanderson6747]

2nd year cards are not worth anything, unless they're Mickey Mantle

[@sourcingsailor4987]

When all the scalpers, resellers, flippers, repacks, breakers, pack checkers, box weighers, case CT scanners are gone and have moved on, US collectors will still be here, carrying the hobby, as we always have!

[@ExposingBethel]

As someone who collected from 1980-1994... it will be sad to watch the market tank when the P. DIDDY stuff starts connecting to LeBron and his MAID OUTFIT... and videos...😢 day to be in the industry.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@jordanmitchell5355]

Teapot always has fhe best take, its been out of control and its getting worse.

[@frankvaughn605]

It's not just box prices.. It's the grading/graded industry... The average kid or even adult can not afford it.. Love your show but when all you see is you and other dealers show is oh wow look at this and that for cards $1000s of dollars.. You never see just just an ordinary dealer selling $5..$10 cards etc...the hobby is chasing away those could be would be young/new collectors to the hobby. Just saying

[@hotjoe817]

@@frankvaughn605 screw grading. It’s a scam

[@frankvaughn605]

@@hotjoe817 to me PSA is a scam.. I think the a grading serves a purpose because it takes what I think and what you think a grade is on a card and gives an unbiased assessment.. But the Omg world of PSA is ridiculous.

[@ThatwasaSTRIKE]

@@hotjoe817 It really is. I see people get low grades on cards they thoroughly inspected. But somehow a recent PSA 9 I picked up has a noticeable crease on it.

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

Yes, it is point blank, but the product will keep going up in price as long as we keep buying products from the shelves like it's going out of style and from reseller at secondary prices. I've been part of the problem I imagine in theory, but I'm slowly but surely buying and spending less on products due to self reflection and researching what I'm buying before I spend my hard earned money!!👍🏼😎💯

[@rex-freestylepackripps801]

👍🏼😎💯

[@joeyyogotti]

Honestly the reason why this "HOBBY" and honestly it's not even a hobby anymore is so expensive now is kinda because of you the sports card investor. I could honestly keep going but I am just going to leave it at that and I know a lot of the people who have been collecting since the 80's know exactly what I am talking about!!

[@threeg6966]

I have been collecting since the 1960's. I could never have imagined that it would get to this point. Prices are driving many people away, or at least slowing them way down (me). I go to card shows and local card shops and scour the bargain bins to keep me in the loop.

[@markkal1804]

Box prices are sky high. I try to wait for bargain bin at Walmart

[@nate1111-b4u]

Or the clearance section at dave and adams lol

[@coltscards1338]

Just lower the prices It's that easy they set the market 🤦

[@JaiselGosai-v5j]

Motif boxes are going for $2k+ and no card out of those boxes are worth opening the box. Stroud RPAs going for under $1k. If you hit it’s still a massive loss

[@TheSuperMonkey22]

Thank you for talking about the topics a lot of other hobby channels don't! As a newer collector I really appreciate all of the 101 content you release. Like the retail video, the card grading content and videos like this!!!! 🙏💯🔥

[@jamiepike6909]

It’s people like yourself and other influencers who have done this to the hobby Geoff. It’s a free world and of course you can do whatever you want, but you’ve played a part in this. You can argue that you haven’t…..but you’ve helped it get to where it is.

[@joemansmann4253]

Yes it's bad I started transitioning to nonsports cards just stay in the hobby

[@davecothran]

Happened long ago. I just grab a couple packs at my local Walmart, have fun opening them, actually looking at the cards (not just checking for limited) and spend my money on older cards with on-card autos and game-worn jerseys.

[@pauliepulera1619]

1000% Blasters should be $20 tops. Hangers $5 topps. Hobbys like $100-$150. This hobby is out of control. Over printing, too many sets, too many variations, too many of everything. On top of sealed product being ridiculously over priced

[@Rocklyn1]

I remember pulling great cards occasionally from retail. I got out of the hobby for 15 years and recently got back in. I am seeing now I should not and can not do so. It is too expensive. When I got back in, I saw a type of card that I thought was cool. I went to Topps to see about purchasing it and it was sold out after only 4 days from when it came out. Then I realized all of the ones being resold by the ones that bought them up to begin with. I found you and thought you were a breath of fresh air to the hobby. But after reading so many comments, I realized everyone commenting has a very valid point.

[@mikeywestside8509]

It's gotten so expensive that I don't even buy boxes anymore. I just buy the singles that I want off of eBay.

[@rogerbarker2231]

I'LL NEVER BUY ANOTHER BOX AGAIN

[@DarkKarnEvil]

I don’t buy cards anymore maybe a retail box every now and then.

[@Pbrennansimkins1]

Paying for a box and then paying for your card to get graded just doesn’t make sense anymore

[@hotjoe817]

@@Pbrennansimkins1 grading is a scam, still haven’t graded a card and I’ve spent over 10k plus on boxes

[@tonysteel1377]

I just buy the graded singles I want.

[@Pbrennansimkins1]

@@tonysteel1377same. I only buy graded cards. Not worth paying for something twice in theory

[@Pbrennansimkins1]

@@tonysteel1377 Same

[@tonysteel1377]

@@Pbrennansimkins1 : It’s a strategy I’ve been using since I stopped busting packs and the prices became illogical for a simple hobbyist. Even buying into breaks aren’t a guarantee. Yet buying directly assures this. I can sacrifice the thrill of busting for being consciously frugal.

[@basbalking]

I stopped playing the baseball card lottery. Not breaking open this on my channel, no way!

[@McMasterGolf]

They are watering things down with poor odds of actually hitting something good. And prices go up. Breakers still stock up and sell overpriced slots. Unfortunately the breakers will keep buying to keep their businesses running and it won't give the home collector a say.

[@coltscards1338]

All they have to do is lower the prices that will lower the market

[@JasonCox-q1n]

Yes! Yes! Yes! It can’t be said strongly enough… The cost of new products is ridiculous and return on investment is a joke. I won’t buy new product anymore. Singles only.

[@CJPokerJoker]

I've been thinking this for so long! Thank you for talking about this! I agree that breaking can be exciting, but that excitement quickly turns to disappointment and regret when you get nothing for the $100 you dropped on a team. The teams that provide the best potential return cost a ton, again with no guarantee of hitting anything. Breaking is gambling and should be treated as such. Maybe if it was regulated, there would be less breakers and the manufacturers would have to reduce their prices to get sales.

[@stinky3shoes491]

I can't afford a fun topps chrome or bowman anymore. The risk or odds just suck when getting anything worth the value. Box prices rise cause of 1 or 2 rookies that's it. It's bull. Box prices are raising card prices . It's all a Las Vegas gamble. SCAM. buy singles. Let others waste money on boxes .

[@jongreen7119]

Is this the sign of a new junk period in sports card. Signature, patches, green, aqua, magenta, and on and on of cards that are really not anything special.

[@mattrowe7728]

It's pretty easy to go broke in America, and buying and ripping open boxes is a surefire way to do it. It's a total joke now. Total greed.

[@joshpitts25]

Box prices are out of control and it's being fed by all the card flipping. My thoughts.

[@garyradaker3375]

Box price got to high in 2010 when Strasbuurgh came in the league then trout ,then breaking. I only buy topps update box now and I can't afford it this year. This will be the hobby down fall in the future or now .if you can't buy the product you can't collect sets anymore. That's why I am in vintage buying the cards when I wasn't born.

[@imperialmoose]

You know, I often disagree with you, (as here - there should definitely be regulation of this gambling industry), but I really appreciate you talking about the hobby every week and offering your different perspectives. It's really helpful to understand what's going on, even when our perspectives on it don't line up. Thank you!

[@soluscristus1]

If you’re a collector then you are probably not ripping boxes.

[@tonysteel1377]

I’m definitely not ripping boxes.

[@MikelTulp]

Since getting back into the hobby 3 years ago, only boxes I rip are baseball Topps , Chrome, heritage, upper deck hockey, that’s it tried breaking four times once with you guys paid 90 for two teams in 24 chrome got $5 back, worse in football

[@mestizo3113]

I really don't see how anybody can say that boxes are overpriced. Just cuz you can't get a Stroud or Wemby auto from NT doesn't mean you still can't sell an Anthony Richardson rpa for $20,000. Just run with it just like all the breakers and influencers did with Kenny Pickett.

[@Comicbookyoutubersrock]

I think the cost of the boxes would be more manageable, if the prices cards that are being ripped don't plummet as time goes on. I'm relatively new to the card market, but it's the nuttiest thing I've ever seen. Like you break a box, get a numbered Wemby and let's say it goes for $5K when the product comes out, literally a month or two later it's selling for over $1K-$2K less, but the product it still worth roughly the same. I mean cards just don't hold value at all. And keep in mind, this is all happening in the off season. So it's not like these players are having a bad season to justify the cards falling, it seems to literally just be the pattern. I get the rarity element, and the fact the market gets flooded as time goes on, but the crazy amount of the price drops is still nuts to me.

[@LeonidasCahill]

Very good points about breaking. I myself never have enough dough for boxes, so the prices skyrocketing pisses me off.

[@jerryb19531953]

Geoff have you read all the comments here? it's time for you and the other big companies to tell Topps and Pinini etc to lower the prices on their boxes or they will go bankrupt. Don't think it can happen? Without customers all their inventory will be rotting on their shelves.

[@chrisbohinski3364]

100%. I’m getting back into it for the first time in 30 years. It used to be fun and not so expensive that you have to mortgage your home. It’s unsustainable.

[@BobbyHo2022]

It went out of control during Covid. Stuff I was buying for $100 a box went to $300. I remember NBA prizm the following year with Lamelo going for 2k a box and I just laughed. I have been buying cards my entire life since 1987. It was more a hobby for me. Now it is an investment game.

[@angeldust7777]

I am a 90s collector and I am not paying shit for these new boxes. With 8000 I can get a nice PMG/ credentials/ rubies of a HOFer.