Watch This BEFORE Sending ANYTHING To PSA

[@SportCardMadness]

Check out this video where an ex-Beckett grader came on to answer some TOUGH questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaacqGRug9SAncU

[@JamesFunke-s3r]

I only try to invest in raw cards. That way I am 💯 percent liable on my own decision and expertise in what I collect. A expensive piece of plastic with an OPINION on it is worthless. I have been a collector for 40+ years and I refuse to have a young and inexperienced kid to determine the condition and value of my property.

[@the.wayne.b]

it looks nicer in a one touch anyway.

[@BostonbredNE]

That’s the smartest thing I’ve heard yet I was the same way since 1975 then I had some pretty decent cards where I have doubles and triples and I thought I could make some money and they coming back 99.59 or nine point fives I can’t type arthritis anyway I think you understand

[@craigwinans1948]

Technically PSA agreed to the insured value as soon as they opened the slab. If they had a disagreement, they should have stated it before the slab was opened. Also pursue criminal fraud charges on them and they will have to bring the card to court or be charged with destruction of evidence. They'll end up just paying you to avoid the publicity. There is no way they'll win since they authenticated it in the first place.

[@joshshulkin-l1e]

Wish I could say I was surprised. I feel your pain, PSA did similar to me with 6 Barry Sanders rookies I PERSONALLY PULLED FROM 1989 SCORE FOOTBALL CASE BREAK, and had Barry sign MYSELF in Sacramento at a Barry/Thurman/Emmitt event in the 90's. PSA slabbed 5 of the cards, which were signed in silver sharpie, and offered me 60 dollars credit on a card they had "damaged" during the grading process....A PACK FRESH 89 SCORE BARRY WITH A BEAUTIFUL SIG..... 60 bucks!? like Keshawn says.. "C'MON MAN!!!!" I ended up taking it with a promise that a higher up in the company would oversee a complete review of my submission, and reward me accordingly. 180 days later I couldn't get my calls returned by anyone with any f--ing power/juice to credit my account and I washed my hands COMPLETELY of the situation by selling my 60$ credit to another collector for 45 bucks, and I refuse to give them another dime, EVER!

[@insidetheparksportcards1745]

Funny that they can grade an autograph but can't tell if it is fake, amazing!

[@SportCardMadness]

@@insidetheparksportcards1745 👆This 💯

[@derekgraziano9499]

Collectors put PSA on the top of the mountain ... Only we.chamge it

[@OlinKreutzRules]

That’s right!!!! Only we chamge it. J/k messing around. ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻

[@Doors067]

​@OlinKreutzRules only we can chamge it lmaooo

[@mikescorpio13]

@@Doors067 do it guys chamge it already

[@velvetbear7184]

Investors not collectors there’s a difference

[@SportCardMadness]

Just an update: No resolution yet, but PSA President Ryan Hoge is involved now.

[@create101]

Ryan, do the right thing!

[@chadcory9690]

Ryan don't be a scum bag if u don't give this man at least his card. Back u are a scum bag. It's his he bought it he owns it. He spent his hard earned money on the card give it back or pay him for it

[@theresistance2641]

If Ryan doesn't do anything....... I'd get the FBI involved for fraud. Just saying

[@JamesFunke-s3r]

Ryan...be a man and find the same card for Frank out of your pocket after all it is YOUR guarantee.

[@waynestill9692]

Why wait a year, just stop using them and use CGC. They own JSA now.

[@SportCardMadness]

I can’t keep w the DMs so I’ve decided to let you all know the guy who sold the forged autos is Bret Moore aka “Bret The Vet”

[@brycec9344]

any resolution?

[@SportCardMadness]

@@brycec9344 Ryan (PSA President) agreed to give Frank back $2500 + the card after I reached out to him with this video and Frank accepted that. I think it's a somewhat fair outcome for everyone.

[@Hoosierdaddyjones812]

​@SportCardMadness it's sad that it takes social media influencers to force a company that's makes millions off the community for decades now to do the right thing.

[@scottparrish2422]

PSA should reimburse frank the money he bought the card for. He bought it because of the PSA slab.

[@justinkittleson3295]

If they grade a million cards a month I think they can afford it…

[@darrellgeist2061]

Plus all fees

[@andrewgaffney4881]

@@darrellgeist2061 Yeah, all the up charge fees, which is a scam. They shouldn't be concerned with the value of the card, just the graging.

[@Finessegawdhou]

Sucks but it’s not the guy who sold it to him problem, if he didn’t know & was passed by psa…it is 100% on psa

[@crowe668]

Ole Frank looks just like Magnum PI..... shirt and all...

[@larrythompson3750]

I almost see it... think maybe we could get him to do another video wearing a Detroit Tigers hat? I think that might bring me around to the Magnum PI comparison lol!

[@gilbertmaisonet6716]

Ur Right 😂

[@Wobu27]

Been saying this for years, no one wanted to listen on Facebook, Instagram or at card shows. Now people are feeling the pain.

[@minerism69]

The part that gets me is not giving the card back. Similar to US Customs by confiscating anything at any time. Plus the part of fair market value. I'm sure Franks daughter who is a lawyer can find case study of deceptive practices. That is market manipulation. Could we choose what date a cards value is and send it in to PSA not to be uncharged?... and Frank has been a long time customer! This has me fuming!

[@Alaskaicebreakers]

It’s honestly too bad the company is going so far down hill. We need to stand up as collectors and keep raising this awareness.

[@mikescorpio13]

well the over demand for grading is in large part responsible for the degradation of quality grading.The number of almost common cards sent to PSA by the new gen of flippers is clogging the process.Flippers are to blame for the lack of employee or the lack of experienced employee in the grading business. And of course the more people are getting involved,the more chances you get some bad apples in the mix scamming their way through the hobby.

[@mobbman1]

You, cant blame this on peopke looking to grade thier collectibles. Its PSA fault if they wanna have shady business practices without being transparant to the customers. Your totally wrong and im suspecting some psa stink on you right now actually. To blame peopke who are getting into the hobby is shameful and straight up scummy. Go for low hanging fruit is really weak move.

[@georgebow7832]

I dont understand how people think the guy that sent the card to psa to be authenticated, and it came back authenticated, how is it his fault? Why should he give the buyer money back? This is 100% on psa not the seller in my opinion!

[@SportCardMadness]

It isn't "initially" his fault, but a month after selling Frank this card the seller KNEW it was counterfeit and did not tell Frank (too long of a story to type it all here). Frank didn't find out for months. Still not necessarily fraud, but just poor form. Further, he has continued to sell counterfeit cards and has even tried to do additional deals with Frank. That is what I have a problem with. Well, that and him not feeling bad at all for Frank - esp given he wants to do future biz with him.

[@georgebow7832]

@@SportCardMadness I understand now, I see your point. It's horrible for the hobby!

[@LoVEFoRTHEHoBBY]

A few things!! Grading destroyed the hobby. That is why we are in the junk slab era. people are getting cards graded that for real should not be graded just to try to sell it for way more than it is worth just because it's in a slab and it has GEM 10 on it. Like come on now.There is literally warehouse workers grading people cards. Not saying anything about warehouse workers. What if that person is having a bad day is he going to give you a bad grade. only way grading can get better is if they can create laser grading or robot grading or something like that. I have over 60,000 cards and not even 1 of them are graded. If PSA grades something and says that it is authentic no matter how long ago it was whenever they graded it if it was yesterday or 25 years ago they should not be able to say its not real. Either they lost your card or a worker stole it because it took them a long time to get back with Frank. Or the person who sold frank the card somehow cracked open the slab and switched out the card. People try to say you can't crack open a slab and resell it. That is nothing compared to what scammers out there in the world today do specially for that much money. I am very sorry that this happened to you. Everyone else be cautious and safe!!

[@Tamanon]

I have a similar story with PSA mis-authoing a card, I tried to get it corrected, and they "lost" the card. Its amazing what they get away with.

[@gametimegallery7661]

Nat has said in interviews that the authentication/grading prices scale based on declared value is to account for insurance on the submitted cards. Seems that they are cheerypicking where and how much they want to pay out in insurance. That’s not right.

[@SportCardMadness]

They can’t pick a random year like that it’s unacceptable

[@Kybone]

Umm what?

[@tylersimmons6524]

​@Kybone He declared at $2500, they said the fair market value is $10, they offered $200 in credit. They should be paying the declared value for incorrectly stabbing it in the first place, bare minimum.

[@mobbman1]

Either the declared means something or it doesnt. It cant be both ways. Psa jyst throwibg out the tos book when they feel like and it benefits them. Im not surprised one bit. I expect psa to do this crap honestly

[@postersandstuff]

@@mobbman1 ive-heard-rumors-PSA-steal-valuable-sigs-people-send-in

[@Tadick994]

Oh good god i just sent a single autographed card to psa a few days ago, i got it personally signed by the voice actor my self who ive waited half my life to meet, the card is priceless to me...wish me luck i guess...i hope im one of the lucky one's

[@anthonybair4331]

Please update how it goes!

[@ghagzor]

These are the 1 in 500,000 stories of this happening. 99.99% of people get their cards back dude

[@Tamanon]

I did this, PSA mislabeled it as someone else, then when resending they "lost" it and want me to sign a NDA for the pennies they say its worth. Absolute garbage company.

[@sodapopyo]

Got a update ? Did you get your card back from psa ?

[@jayfarrell2959]

Playing Devils Avocate , whose to say the seller didn't Crack the slab replaced it with a fake auto and sold it. It happened to me on a rookie Trout. Dudes know how to do it. There's scammers everywhere.

[@ghagzor]

If you crack a slab you cant reseal it afaik

[@markstein1916]

PSA fails in every possible way. Pricing, consistency, communication, customer service, integrity, wait times, use of ugly baggies, uneven card placement… all pathetic. Not a shock that (yet again) they failed to honor their so-called “guarantee”.

[@chadcory9690]

I hate psa I won't use them I turn down alot of cards I'd love to have. Because they were graded by psa. Know I do have some psa slabs but that is because someone owed me a couple grand and the only way he could pay me back was by given me some of his personal sports card collection

[@SMISURKA]

Ya thanks but I'll just keep on using BGS thanks. Never had a single problem with them. Love my sub grades.

[@Nogame7_Cards]

Hate to hear this. Terrible story. I actually didnt know they could confiscate a card that they deemed fraudulent. Glad you are helping here and pushing back, or they would do NOTHING!

[@PinstripePride85]

I hear way too many horror stories from PSA to send any of my cards to them

[@SnakeEyes43080]

Who do you recommend sending to?

[@michaelvoyer3844]

This is absolutely nuts! I feel awful for Frank. Great video, thank you both for sharing.

[@Lokahi-fo-life]

I’m torn with the seller being responsible. At the time of the sale he didn’t know, but he knew later. I think I would feel bad and try and make some restitution. PSA should step up and accept responsibility for their mistakes.

[@williammcpherson9953]

If magnum pi can get screwed. We all can.

[@ChrisTigani]

I bought an MJ 1986 Fleer Rookie Card graded 6 from PSA's own seller hub on eBay. This was invoiced by PSA. I sent it back to them for regrading and they sent it back to me as N5 ALTERED. I am beside myself.

[@terryalexander563]

😮WOW

[@KindaTwisted329]

For some reason I thought that at least 2 people would look at a valuable autograph like this and have to agree it’s authentic before it passes.

[@Wobu27]

What's to say if they lost the card, or an employee stole it that they wouldn't just say its fake, still charge the owner and steal his card at the same time?

[@fisherparker159]

SGC Should now become the old and new all card type grading service but only with us the client and quality control being #1 that matters.

[@661fish4]

I have a PSA horror story. They don't stand behind their product.

[@SMISURKA]

Would love to hear it.

[@lawabidingsavage]

What is it?

[@j.tyler2024]

Psa probably kept his card

[@PokeJoeRuben]

WOW, you got me thinking again if i wanna send cards to psa. Thank you for sharing.

[@Antiqueexcavator]

I sent a ball signed by the 1926 Yankees. It came back authenticated but said the Babe Ruth was a clubhouse. The ball was given to me by a friend who said his grandpa got all the autographs himself from the players. How do I have someone else take a look? Thank you.

[@SportCardMadness]

HOW TO Submit ✍️ Autographed Items To JSA kzbin.info/www/bejne/oauWeXWBrZuLgKs

[@DavidMacPherson-r8v]

Had the same card grading company grade the same card (numbered out of 50) three times, with a different outcome every time. Talk about consistency.

[@jessicahernandez4174]

Can someone please help with me with the song between 0:24 - 0:30? I've been trying to remember but I can't recall the song and it's driving me crazy, thank you!

[@SportCardMadness]

It’s a custom song we had made for the pod. It’s a half step down reversed version of Come As You Are by Nirvana. Just different enough to not violate Spotify, copywrite etc

[@jessicahernandez4174]

@@SportCardMadness oh my gosh, thank you so much!!!

[@SportCardMadness]

@@jessicahernandez4174 I'm actually flattered you like my music taste lol thanks

[@jessicahernandez4174]

@@SportCardMadness Great taste will never go out of style! 🤘🏻

[@joshpitts25]

Grading is overrated, and corrupted. Expensive and I have no need to grade my PC. This is a sad story and hurts the cardboard market. You cannot trust even the highest regarded companies. Sad......... nuff said

[@RealNightmareMan]

I agree that's why I buy raw if you know what to look for when it comes to fake and real. All you have to do is a little research and there is alot of people that can show you how to spot fakes and what to look for. PSA cards are way over valued in most cases.

[@markstein1916]

COMPLETELY agree!

[@velvetbear7184]

Yep. Grading is a scam

[@ehrenkrause9861]

16:55 well I think was it Beckett or BSA had a bunch of issues where they were giving legitimate grades to cards that were cut. But yeah we have to police them with our business.

[@the.wayne.b]

i hear stories of cards being damaged, and cards being switched for people who send more in. out of my 218 blackhawks rookies, only 3 are graded because i found crazy deals.

[@TychiBalls]

I agree with both of you but you keep mentioning to not deal with PSA for a year but no explanation on why for a year is really confusing. What does 1 year have to do with anything? If you’re that angry with PSA’s services I wouldn’t deal with them for life. Not just 1 measly year. But that’s just me. Is something going to get drastically better at PSA in 1 year from now that I’m not aware of?

[@SportCardMadness]

Good point. It may just be forever. I’m hopeful that they improve but at this point I’m excited about JSA slabbing. -Nick

[@Ripping4Rutschmans]

I hope PSA does the right thing for Frank. This is not how they should treat a long term customer that has supported them. Vile. I’ve always been scared to use them and this reinforces that fear.

[@tony66088]

new to card collecting so glad i came across this video

[@thaatguuy4554]

Oh I've seen psa send my buddy his Christy Mathewson portrait back pinched in the holder, about a quarter way up the card. They sealed it out of the "slot" for the card and sealed it ruining the card. Quality control there needs to be slowed down!! Fast doesn't make you good, fast makes you fast.

[@Shim_Shack_Studio]

Good to know, thanks for this video. I will consider sending in my Brady & Gronk rookie autos into JSA. I'm glad this video popped up in my recommended to watch list. I hope Frank gets a positive resolution, but man, what a story... 😮

[@sportscardrippingteacher]

I saw you on Zach’s channel earlier today. Thanks for sharing!

[@SportCardMadness]

Sure thing!

[@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures]

I'm new to grading, so I looked online to look at pics of psa 10 cards. I sent a 1986 topps Ryne Sandberg in. They gave my card a grade 7. I was pissed. The 86 topps have the black border. The centering on my card was just as good as the 10. My had no whitening compared to the 10. The 10 had two major red fish eye dot. You could barely notice the red dots on mine. They're only 12 graded psa 10. You would think they would they could just go into their data base and see what had been graded a 10 in the past.

[@SportCardMadness]

They have graded much tougher in recent years because they are trying to control the population of 10s. Something else I have a major problem with. Give the card a proper grade. This isn't college Chemistry 101 where you need a bell curve.

[@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures]

@SportCardMadness thank you for responding. As I mentioned, I'm new to grading. I just want to know what the standards are before I send cards in to be graded. I don't want to waste my money getting a card graded, and the value comes back less than the cost of grading. I recently bought over a million cards from a former card dealer, mostly 80s and 90s. I did get a lot of cards from the 60s and 70s they aren't top grades card. I'm trying to sell a bulk of the cards to recoup my initial investment. For example, the 1986 Ryne Sandberg I have 40 copies. So, selling what I think is a 10 is fine with me.

[@jonathonsantamont8527]

@@Shaw_Cardboard_TreasuresPSA stands for Please Submit Again. They don’t care about any of us, just the submission fees. Keep sending the same card in and watch the grade change. That ain’t right!

[@rayvillela2491]

I sent several 2004 messi rookies, highest grade was an 8. I got some 4 and 5's even though I thought they were at least 6 or 7 s. On eBay I bse some Messi PSA 7 and 8 that are much more beat up than mine. They are very inconsistent.

[@rzone9546]

I had an autograph that was signed in person, PSA sent it back said it was not authentic that it was signed by someone else. Get this they also kept my money, and this was in the top most expensive autos to get graded.

[@SuperSoccerTime1]

Had a buddy who got Barry Sanders to sign a card in person. Has the picture of him getting the card signed. PSA said they would not grade it.

[@johnnybaker3792]

Great video Nick! Thank you for putting this out there!

[@jamondelcairo3434]

The grading process for $1 card is the same as a $10,000 card, but yet they charge you based on the card value (your investment not theirs). It is straight up ridiculous. Something that supposed to be fun and affordable for young collectors. You spent $200 dollars preparing and grading a card just to be priced for $20.

[@jesusquinones3934]

Wooooooow! I use PSA all the time, now i'm very concerned now.😮

[@Bigsteppamane_]

I have a story for you…Legendary! I just recently received a Mickey Mantle Bowman Rookie Autographed and a 1952 Topps but it’s not autographed. My Grandfather had a girlfriend in the service that grew up with the Mick. I was the only grandson who took interest in sports cards and memorabilia. When he died most of everything of value was taken lucky enough when they did the inventory we found the cards. I’m from Louisiana a small town of Carencro . I have the best cards in the country no Cap.

[@SportCardMadness]

@@Bigsteppamane_ Would love to see pics sometime!

[@phoenix21studios]

If grading is objective we dont need a company to do it. If its subjective then we dont need it at all.

[@SuperSoccerTime1]

A good question would be how did they charge the first guy who got it authenticated? Did they charge him like it was a $10 card? I submit a card AND IF THEY THINK ITS WORTH MORE they upcharge me. What did they charge guy #1?!

[@Reptitude]

I have a PSA 10 slabbed card and the card is clearly trimmed. They are not 100%. It is not even a $100 card but i would not sell it as it is a reminder to me PSA is not perfect.

[@ryanorourke9487]

I just got a bunch of dual grade PSA vintage cards back from PSA with no problems. I did think they messed up on two other cards, but not the dual grades. No fails. I don’t have any problem with them deciding to decertify this based on new information. The nature of new information is that it’s immediate and new. It sucks that it was such a short time frame, but it can happen. More transparency would be nice. I do believe that they screwed up on compensation here. There is no good alternative for dual grading. JSA is great for balls and photos, but they are a just bad for cards. Pointless to use them. Unlike modern cards, the auto grades are important and vary for vintage. JSA doesn’t offer that.

[@piercem56]

I’m glad I came across this. I’m going to grade my grandmothers baseball card collection = thousands of cards. I will be going with Beckett! PSA is a nightmare!

[@joshuab2850]

Whoa. Who was the seller?

[@Luke-kv5ye]

My LCS sent in a 1993 UD Gold Hologram Derek Jeter. It returned a PSA 9, but did not have the Gold Hologram label. The LCS sent it back in for correction and it came back with the correct label, but graded PSA 7. PSA will only correspond with the LCS which is understandable, but have not returned their emails. Typical PSA, 0 accountability. Feel bad for fellas like Frank - there needs to be a website that collects these horror stories.

[@ShawnStacy-f3i]

We determine what grading company is best by what we buy. Ask bud light and tractor supply about the power of the consumer. As pointed out below. PSA will change when we stop inflating the value of their cards by over paying and when we stop sending them millions of cards per month. TAG grading is the best but collectors act like a cult and follow the herd over the cliff refusing to change. AI grading is long overdue and TAG is the first to bring it. Watch TAG videos. People have tried to submit the same card twice after breaking it out and the AI caught it had already graded that card! Much better than a 20 something kid who drank and partied too much the night before handing out all 10's at PSA or the employee who lost their girlfriend last night giving all 8's. PSA has too much power with no transparency. And we the collector have given them that power.

[@Shaw_Cardboard_Treasures]

How does TAG work with older cards?

[@mobbman1]

Arena uses AI grading. Jeters company. Well psa is best for ROI.

[@jc-kn5bq]

That’ll be nice if they had a service to where when they are about to grade your card, they have a live video opening your package and checking your card.

[@0_44_4]

Fxck PSA! PieceaShytAuthentication TAG grading is the way to go. They need to step up their game to handle more cards and more type of cards and years.

[@SportCardMadness]

If they add autographs it would be awesome

[@0_44_4]

@@SportCardMadness yeah this is what I'm saying they need to step their game up

[@mobbman1]

And different sized cards

[@Bostnfn]

Do we know any pricing on what JSA is going to charge for authentication?

[@Lokahi-fo-life]

Not the video I wanted to see after I sent 9 vintage autos to PSA in 3 weeks ago. I know one of the ones I sent in is questionable.

[@chadcory9690]

There gonna snatch the questionable card if they deemed it fake. Fuggen bastards man

[@Swigfamily]

Could you let me know the bulk submitted that forges all the autos. Thanks

[@SportCardMadness]

Its in the pinned comment

[@NoMore-qt5ox]

Hope you get a good answer to your problem. This is reflected in a negative mark on their reputation. Thanks for the information.

[@jamesamos6890]

I had this happen with Beckett one time but at least they gave me the money to purchase another similar autographed card of that player

[@waynestill9692]

Good Video, your 💯 correct on that it's your fault for using them. I stopped using psa 7 years ago cause of their scandals, candy 10s and the fact they cost the most but give you the cheapest slabs on the market. You've all been scammed and then turn around and scam your buyer with saying psa is the best. CGC gets all my business and now they own JSA so hopefully psa will do what should of happened back in 1996 n that's close their doors.

[@1skiless]

When it comes to trimming or coloring, that's a no no I do enjoy restoring cards. But when it comes to trimming or coloring, that's the end of the line or fake autographs, you need to put his name out there.

[@TheRbruin10]

As a beginner collector myself, I really stay away from pre 80s cards. That can be really risky.

[@calronske1853]

Don't be afraid of pre-1980.

[@KelleyCollect86]

I have a PSA subscription and this is straight terrifying!!! I might have to rethink renewing my membership… 😬

[@sodapopyo]

I don't understand why more collectors don't start using Beckett Grading, they are so much better then PSA, Beckett gives you details on the slab and in my opinion looks so much nicer then PSA.

[@groundzero270]

I use BAS. No issues, they fix if so, like they put real labels on the slab.

[@SakuraCache]

They've failed a TONNE of artist autos in the Pokemon world as well recently. Cards where the owner got it done themselves IN PERSON even.

[@MatthewCSeuferwindowsheaven]

Thank You so very much.Frank got screwed.Its bs

[@HardwoodSports]

The problem here (which has been an issue with these Grading companies) is that they do not get held accountable for their own mess ups. They messed up by originally authenticating the art harris card. If it was authenticated then it should be left as that. For someone else to go authenticate it AGAIN, and say that the person who authenticated this the first time around fucked up...well, how is that the buyers fault? Now, the buyer paid for an authenticated card -$7500.00 and psa won't pay that for their own mess ups... smh.

[@SmokinSportsCards]

PSA needs to reimburse him the value of the card after it is graded plus the shipping charges and fees and everything else

[@alvinryangoyap3129]

Jsa makes mistakes too. We send an MJ autograph it came back rejected then return it to the seller and he submitted it back to jsa and pass the autograph. Get Goat authentics if your you want fair authentication for Michael Jordan autographs

[@SportCardMadness]

@@alvinryangoyap3129 GOAT is great (and cheap) but they got one of my MJs wrong too. All of them aren’t perfect.

[@EDOCTRIN3]

You guys have me so scared right now! I sent in a card (very big card) recently and I didn't know if it was real or not and it's my First time ever sending anything so I just picked the lowest value authentication to see if it was real.. I really doubted it but now I know that it is real and again a very huge card. I'm praying that it is just the sleeve that is making it looked damaged but it is Definitely looking pretty messed up and I'm so scared because I shipped it in perfect shape for a once in a lifetime card.. but now it seems like it might be damaged and this mistake is very costly (millions) if it is in fact damaged. It's being graded now and I try to to call over and over and no one ever answers so I'm guessing all I can do is pray it goes well😢

[@Doors067]

Even geoff wilson is starting to talk shit on them. Its wild.

[@calronske1853]

He's kinda shady too.

[@jrgodin4884]

I bought a card graded by HGA and sold it at a show. The buyer came to me at a later show and said it was a fake. I checked with a PSA rep there at the show and he said he thought it was a fake as well. I contacted HGA by email and have not received a reply. Avoid cards graded by HGA.

[@KyKane]

so what do i do with my raw jordan rookie thats not gonna grade that great? I did get a ton of other cards equal value prolly..Man I need the MJ graded though it's selling for more raw than it will graded right now! edit: meaning I bought the card in $50 packs with other cards!!

[@clydebass1578]

Do you have an address for JSA grading

[@gregmillard1012]

It sounds like PSA has a new cocky autograph person who thinks he knows everything and maybe doesn't, I would send I t to JSA when you get it back and maybe it is a good autograph. STAY AWAY FROM PSA until they get there crap together.

[@robertsmith3872]

I’m always very weary of sending something that could potentially be worth a lot of money to accompany that may or may not take the damn product themselves and tell me that it was damaged or lost who’s to know if they are telling me the truth

[@Mr012366]

I refuse to by any cards that are psa graded at all. I've heard way to many stories of miss graded cards and them damaging cards

[@markstein1916]

Sue them into oblivion.

[@chadcory9690]

I would try thats for sure

[@allnovieveryday]

20:30 you think a corporation wants to spend more time and resources that they don't want to invest in, to bolster a customer's appraised value. that's a novel idea. They act like this because they have too much business. Some person at PSA is making a simple calculation that you are not worth their time, and they could be making more money diverting those resources elsewhere. I don't agree with it but thats the behavior you get when you grow a company to the size of someone like PSA.

[@SportCardMadness]

@@allnovieveryday Until a video like this materially imparts autograph revenue. And picking this flagship customer and set registry participant wasn’t the smartest choice to save a few grand. I hear you though - demand in other areas outweighs it. For now.

[@allnovieveryday]

@@SportCardMadness nice to see the CEO is involved.

[@SportCardMadness]

@@allnovieveryday Ultimately they settled on the $2500 which I agree with. This video helped immensely.

[@Colise709]

Yes. I would like to know who is passing bad autographs. Thanks.

[@jonholzworth4463]

I design and build some of the forensic spectral equipment used for authentication. My devices are at Quantico with the FBI. They are in jails and forensic labs all over the country. I personally feel PSA and other authenticating entities vastly overstate their abilities. I've been around some of the worlds best forgery experts, and they don't have the confidence to guarantee anything. The verbage is always "very probable" or "highly unlikely." The only times they are certain is when they find two different inks or materials that didn't exist when the forgery was supposedly made.

[@lightseek88]

if you contacted TAG grading I bet they would love to work with you in introducing some of your spectral equipment into one of those self service grading kiosk they are supposedly working on. Would you be confident in building something that could help the hobby?

[@mobbman1]

I authenticate sneakers. HUMAN ERROR IS A VERY REAL THING. IT CAN CUT BOTH WAYS.

[@scottparrish2422]

If PSA grades a card and you undervalue it they charge you the fee based on what the value is if it gets a good grade. Such bullshit

[@DanielCordone9]

Yar and then the cards drop down 200% a few weeks later, so you're effectively losing money.

[@chadcory9690]

One of the bug reasons I hate psa

[@greezyzgurage]

Who do you recommend to use for grading, if not PSA?

[@SportCardMadness]

@@greezyzgurage JSA when they slab autos. Short term PSA has the most value but you can use BECKETT and Tag as well.

[@anthonymcdonald3167]

They better be watching PSA I'm old like this guy I just started grading my cards now I'm thinking twice tighten up PSA Make it right

[@markstein1916]

Avoid PSA at all costs! If you MUST grade them, go with SGC.

[@ImOnlySIeeping]

@@markstein1916 lol it's literally the same company "dont drink coke, drink sprite!"

[@philivey1123]

The guy who sold him the card isn’t at fault. Maybe he is a bad actor I get that and knew it was fake but PSA authenticated it so this should go back on PSA. It’s this guys fault for not declaring it for the amount he paid because PSA should have to cover for the declared amount. So $2,499 should be paid out here

[@jeffspicoli6172]

I sent back a slab of a Bo Bichette auto rookie to BGS, original grade 9.5 and auto 10 - numbered 5/10 then sent back 8.5 grade and retained a 10 for the auto. I sent the card back because I had several collectors say it was a counterfeit. It was not not but BGS dropped the rating, likely because they damaged it, because how does a card go from 9.5 to 8.5 straight out of the slab. All I wanted was authentication. These companies are a joke.

[@LoVEFoRTHEHoBBY]

I wanted to add something else to my comment that I wrote earlier. If you were sending the card to be graded, because the auto was already graded, I'm guessing you wanted both on the slab, why did they even start trying to regrade the auto?? Hmm

[@DavidMacPherson-r8v]

Card grading companies are some of the biggest crooks. Most of the actual graders are in the hobby to profit from. Complete conflict of interest. Had a former grader from Beckett, accuse me of having a fake Low numbered prospect auto, of a player they were heavily invested into, because the other graders never mentioned that card being submitted. Then he researched the serial number on the Beckett label, and apologized for calling it a fake. Such a conflict of interests with these graders that profit from the card market. I never grade cards because of the corruption. Tell this guy to call the local FBI in Cali to investigate.

[@FDLrick]

PSA lost 8 cards, took them 6 months to find them. 4 of the cert. #'s had already been removed. Strange but True.

[@mjcollector1million]

Terrible that this happened. Hopefully there’s a better outcome. I think PSA deserves criticism, but I don’t think you did it accurately. You should have reiterated that the guarantee does not cover autographs. That’s a big point that you didn’t touch on enough. Secondly, obviously they’re screwing him on valuation, but you should provide evidence for a better valuation. It’s an extremely rare card/auto so I don’t think they’re “cherry picking”, there are probably no sales. You said cherry picking a hundred times

[@SportCardMadness]

Agreed but PSA needs to be better about communicating the lack of applicability of the guarantee to autographs. Me and just about every collector I spoke with truly had no idea. He provided a sales receipt but that isn’t sufficient evidence as there are no public / recent sales; though they can certainly look at other rare autos of obscure players in this set and quickly realize $10 is asinine. Further, they have access to the registry. Reach out to owners of this card and take a dollar cost avg of the sales price. There are about 700 different ways they could have gone with this that would have been more productive and accurate.

[@mjcollector1million]

@@SportCardMadness that’s my point, PSA doesn’t communicate it, so for your viewers, you should have drove home that point about guarantee not covering autographs. Great video though

[@SportCardMadness]

@@mjcollector1million Thanks … I agree I’ll do more videos around this and help get the word out.

[@Fred_Nickles]

It's so hard to go away from PSA cause it's really the only thing people value. But their grading is also super subjective. I had two vintage TCG cards come back with the same 6 grade, one with scratches and whitening one with none. Not saying it was a 10 but no shot both were a 6. Got a 6 across my whole submission 😅