Are CO ANGLERS Ruining Tournament BASS FISHING

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The Tin Horse Monty Fishing

The Tin Horse Monty Fishing

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@MichaelWestfall-bd7fo
@MichaelWestfall-bd7fo 3 ай бұрын
Great take on the situation. I love to fish as a co angler. And you are 100% spot on. I don't want to do away with Co's but I don't really enjoy fishing behind a " scoper".
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Mike. It can be a challenging day. Especially if they are good at it.
@jerryhall437
@jerryhall437 3 ай бұрын
Great Perspective Gabe! As you know I’m a boater currently but I have also fished as a co.. like you I fish for the experience. My days of wanting to compete professionally are likely behind me but I enjoy the competition and the camaraderie. Who knows … as I age I may want to go back to being a Co- 0:30 angler .. I’ve enjoyed fishing with 99% of the CO’s I’ve fished with . Keep up the good work! See you at Pickwick!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Jerry. It's a fun day on the water if we let it be. Tight lines!
@af4od02
@af4od02 3 ай бұрын
All your thoughts are exactly mine. I hope the co angler experience doesn’t go away. I have left co angling because of FFS. I have also dropped my annual membership from the tournament organizations. It seems to me technology has basically driven me away. I don’t blame the boaters for using FFS. I have never had the desire and time and money to invest to be a competitive boater. But, I do enjoy competing against my fellow co anglers. I have always felt the co angler was necessary to keep the tournament rules in check.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate the comment. I hope you get back into it someday.
@twoseamer216
@twoseamer216 3 ай бұрын
Great takes Gabe. Well reasoned and thought out responses go a long way.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate it!
@Daniel-pz4wm
@Daniel-pz4wm 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your input Gabe!!!🤓 You the BFL guru!!!🤠 You've been there done it and put in the work👍 LOVING THE VIDEOS when i can see them 👍👍👍
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I appreciate that! 🤜
@jeffreymiller1440
@jeffreymiller1440 3 ай бұрын
Good one Gabe! Well said, I’ve done well as a co angler and going back to the days of bass clubs it was about friendship and doing something you both love, it was good to finally meet you, tight lines
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Nice meeting you too. Hope you caught a few.
@kevinhallemann4095
@kevinhallemann4095 3 ай бұрын
That was a great show Gabe . well said I needed to hear that today.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Kevin.
@neiljohnsen276
@neiljohnsen276 3 ай бұрын
Co anglers are not ruining bass fishing/tournaments. Tournaments are ruining bass fishing.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Man that's a solid point. They definitely have a big impact on a fishery.
@TonyThompson-z8s
@TonyThompson-z8s 3 ай бұрын
I fished my first tournament as co-angler on Neely Henry a coupe months ago. Really enjoyed the day, was non stop getting after it. The boater was using forward facing sonar along the bank, grass and docks etc. I ended up catching three keepers and the boater culled maybe 4 times. Great experience, I have signed up for another co-angler tournament the end of this month.I hope they continue with co-angler formatted tournaments. I did give the boater 40$ for gas even though he said he didn’t want the gas money.
@Abe_Sinclair
@Abe_Sinclair 3 ай бұрын
It's sort of like the first time you go to a casino and somehow you win everything..... Then every time you go back for the next 5 years you just lose....
@JAMESJONES-gn8wq
@JAMESJONES-gn8wq 3 ай бұрын
Hi was reading your comments. I’m a boater looking for a co angler link for the Al River tournament w/e of 9/14-15. If you know anyone please let me know. Been having a hard time finding a link which helps garuntee both of us participating. If a boater doesn’t sign up with a link before the deadline he is subject to getting drawn with another boater which none of the boaters really like because you then have to see who’s boat you use & split the day up front 50/50. Anyway sorry for the long reply but since you were new to process wanted to explain. Thx
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Awesome Tony. Glad you had a good experience and good luck in the next one.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Abe there is some truth to that LOL
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
James did you post on the BFL/ Toyota Series link finder page on Facebook?
@rexellis4120
@rexellis4120 3 ай бұрын
Definitely don't get rid of the co-angler because I loved it and I plan on doing it again!!!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Agree. Hope you get out there soon.
@jerryg957
@jerryg957 3 ай бұрын
All good points you make, I always thought the co angler was there to keep everything on the up and up.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Jerry. Ya that's probably the main reason.
@JAMESJONES-gn8wq
@JAMESJONES-gn8wq 3 ай бұрын
I’ve fished a lot of BFL’s mainly as a boater & I think your comments are pretty spot on. One thing I would like to see for fairness purposes is less official practice time. I never fish my home lake so even if I get Thursday & Friday to practice going against locals is tough. I think BFL’s should have one practice day with prior Monday going off limits. This would make things more equal & also cut down of gas & travel costs! Also have a bonus prize for the highest boater + co angler combined weight so this helps the boater work with his co instead of possibly against him. It could be a Sponsor bonus or something but a secondary prize. Just some thoughts. Practice fishing is not fun when you’re holding back on catching. Make these Tourns more “equal & competitive “!!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Interesting feedback. I appreciate it. That would be a fun format. Thanks for the input
@corymiles248
@corymiles248 3 ай бұрын
Such as WON Bass. Excellent format and no whiners.
@Abe_Sinclair
@Abe_Sinclair 3 ай бұрын
Top finishers this year at Bass Nation all brought their own live sonar units in a backpack and attached it to their boaters boat..... I said that would happen as a joke last year, but I'm not prepared to have to do that just to get a check as a co....
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I don't think I would bring my own scope because of the hassle. It would be nice tho
@joewinkler2168
@joewinkler2168 3 ай бұрын
Good one Gabe! Although I've never been a co, that is on my bucket list, sooner than later as I'm 69 yo. But running my own tournament series , it gets in the way. But I do hope when the chance comes I get to meet op with ya! Love your content. JW
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Joe. You should try it. Just go have fun and keep it simple.
@Greaternickfishing
@Greaternickfishing 3 ай бұрын
Man if it wasn’t for the option of being a co. I would have never gotten the opportunity I have. I’m so very greatful of being able to back there.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Nick. Remember where you came from ✌
@steveshepherd1046
@steveshepherd1046 3 ай бұрын
Very good. Very informative.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Steve
@josephtaylor5165
@josephtaylor5165 3 ай бұрын
I’ve been fishing ABA and BfL for 15 years. I chose to spend the extra money to fish as a boater. Even if I fish with an co angler the cost is still the same. I have made a lot of friends having co anglers. Gabe was one of them. It’s just a bonus to have them help with gas and net fish. I’ve learned new things from them catching fish behind me. Bad as I hate to say it. They help keep the competition in line. Some reason a few people have forgotten that integrity and honesty is a major part of this sport. I think co anglers like Gabe will find a way to catch fish behind live scope. But they can just as easily draw lesser angler like me!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Dude I'm glad we met and have spent several days in the boat together. You are one of the good friends I've made fishing the BFL's. I appreciate your feedback buddy.
@jkos563
@jkos563 3 ай бұрын
as far as the boater goes in the BFL'S I think they would be willing to pay the extra $100 to make up the loss of not having a co angler.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I think some would but just as many wouldn’t.
@MikeFosterOutdoors
@MikeFosterOutdoors 3 ай бұрын
I welcome the co anglers in my boat. I enjoy sharing my knowledge with them as well as 9 times out of 10 they are great company. The co anglers need to stay IMO.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Mike. I imagine you're good to fish with.
@johnchaney8967
@johnchaney8967 3 ай бұрын
Gabe you made some really good points, I have been a co angler for the last 9 years, I have had boaters say they really need to get rid of co's to my face, I get it their boat, their time , the travel, food, gas all of it, but in the same breathe their comment is I was going to fish it with or without you, one of the main problems is when a boater or co do not do well in the first2 events the usually say screw it, leaving the boater or co looking for a link, I think if you are going to fish a tournament series no matter what you should finish it unless some medical or death comes up I get it sometime work gets in the way, but to just give up because you had a few bad events is wrong. I fish the Bfl hoosier and it's a hard series hell two fish on the co's side you might win or cash a check,its a struggle, you can ask any boater that I fish with I do my best to make sure he has what he needs, ice, water, snacks and anything else I can help with, I give 60 dollars to them to help for fuel if i damage something i offer to get it fixed, i understand the cost of it all, but for a boater to say we are a problem and we should be gone is just wrong. Yes, both sides will get that one person that they will say never again, it happens but for a boater to say that a co was the reason he didn't catch fish that is just crazy, as a co we have no say in where we go or how safely we get there, I always ask my boater what is his guide line on where i can and cannot cast and I ask yeah if your done fishing that laydown stump or whatever do you mind if i have a shot at it, I am learning at the same time trying to figure out why he chose that to cast at, not our fault if we so happen to catch the 4 pounder there you moved to the next target. I have also quit fishing an hour to a half hour before we go in if the boater has 4 fish or 5 and is trying to upgrade, yes it sucks but I am there to learn have fun and help. As far as the FSS situation who cares go fish, that is what your there for I have fished with boaters that use it yes it helps them but I have also outfished boaters that use it so it shouldn't matter. I think if you communicate with each other before and during the tournament you both should be okay and on the same plan. Sorry for the novel but this really gets me made as a co I know some are going to say get a boat and tell me how you feel, plain and simple co's and boaters need to work together and stop bashing each other, I have seen professional anglers say co should be gone, funny they all seem to forget how they got their start. Suggestion for all boaters and co angler at the end of the year when you find out next year schedule get link up right then and there and help each other out stop waiting for last minute, ask question and to the ones that answer the comment be cool about don't be an ass hat or a whine bag some of the people are just starting out. thanks for letting me get this out lol. Can't wait to ready all the comments lmao.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Sounds like you are a great Co to fish with John. You are p[art of the solution. Communication is key! I agree with your points buddy. At the end of the day it's just a tournament. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and good luck in 2025 and beyond.
@johnchaney8967
@johnchaney8967 3 ай бұрын
@@TheTinHorseMonty thank you you as well buddy
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
@@johnchaney8967 ✌✌
@variedterrainfishing
@variedterrainfishing 3 ай бұрын
Firstly, are you fishing Table Rock this weekend? Secondly, good points.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
No. I’m not fishing at The Rock. Secondly thanks.
@variedterrainfishing
@variedterrainfishing 3 ай бұрын
@@TheTinHorseMonty What do you have in the pipe for tournaments? ABT at the LOZ? or something else going on
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
@@variedterrainfishing A few local derbies and the Regional at Pickwick. I'm almost out of vacation time at work!!😢😢
@MarkFields-by8qy
@MarkFields-by8qy 3 ай бұрын
Enjoy the videos, however as a boater when i find a stretch of bank with fish I typically will run it more than one time. So, catching one behind a boater is potentially catching one I may catch on the 2nd or 3rd pass? Just a thought anyways.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Good point but sometimes fish move up in and out of an area. It's possible the fish may be gone on the second pass. Just throwing that out there.
@rexellis4120
@rexellis4120 3 ай бұрын
My experience as a co-angler was my Pro wanted to leave that spot as soon as I started catching fish- That rubbed me wrong because I paid money to fish too!!! I wish that there was some rules on that situation!!!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Ya that happens sometimes
@ronaldstewart3400
@ronaldstewart3400 3 ай бұрын
99%of boaters now used to fish as a co angler, most of them forget where they came from..
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Good point Ronald
@thedogdaysoffishing
@thedogdaysoffishing 3 ай бұрын
The main reason to having a co angler or marshall in the boat is to keep the boater honest. In my opinion as a co angler you shouldn't have to give the boater gas money. You are not on a guided trip. He isn't trying to put you on fish. You are strictly there to keep him honest. Being a co angler is sort of like playing the lottery. Your boater draw has a lot to do with whether you catch fish or not. The only thing you are guaranteed as a co is the chance to observe an angler for the day and potentially learn some tips that will make you a better angler.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Gas money helps cover some of the costs the boater encored while they were practicing to find fish. The co is also riding around in the boat all day without having to buy a boat. Plus we are fishing. It's just the right thing to do.
@dariusking2927
@dariusking2927 3 ай бұрын
When money is involved in anything it usually messes everything up no matter what it is 👍👍👍
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
10000%
@davisba5
@davisba5 3 ай бұрын
Pretty much agree with everything you are saying. Would I rather not get paired up with a boater that is targeting single fish in open water, certainly, but if it happens I will deal with it. I don't think there is anyway they can get rid of the Co's in BFL tournaments, they need them to limit cheating and many boaters are not going to be able to afford the extra expense. One of my main concerns with FFS in general is the conservation side. I am worried that in the long run it is going to affect our fisheries in a negative way.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Davis! Great points. We have to do our best with what opportunities we have. FFS has made fish tougher to catch in some lakes. It could possible hurt the crappie population.
@timzdrazil6531
@timzdrazil6531 3 ай бұрын
I spent 6 years fishing as a co angler in BFL and Toyota level before switching to the front of the boat. Probably 35 to 40 tournaments on the back. There is literally ONE guy I wouldn't fish with again given the chance. He wasn't even a 'bad' guy... he is just so introverted and focused I was basically fishing by myself all day. He even shot me in the face with bang crawfish scent because he literally just forgot I was there. LOL
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
LOL That's brutal. I bet all the stray cats in the neighborhood were following you. Honestly, that's good feedback on the co/bpater relationship. I've had similar success minus the BANG.
@jimfitz7449
@jimfitz7449 3 ай бұрын
My biggest thing when i fished co was. The boaters act like they are the only ones that spent money and time to fish. Thats why i moved to boater. I enjoy most of the cos i have fished with.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Most boaters are really great to fish with. I've had a few that made me feel like I was only in the boat so they could fish the tournament but that's life.
@stevelogan4365
@stevelogan4365 3 ай бұрын
I fish as a co-angler. Have had a really good time. I hope this mess gets worked out. Just like to fish. Maybe it's time to fish a team series.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I hope so too
@user-iy6rz1eq9x
@user-iy6rz1eq9x 3 ай бұрын
I herd a good opinion from John Crews have the boaters pay extra if they dont want a co ..the anglers dont really care about co anglers not all but most and a wouldn't want to fish a tournament with a guy running down fish or combined the weight
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
That's one option. Thanks
@mslaven5061
@mslaven5061 3 ай бұрын
I think BASS and MLF would benefit from starting a national team tournament trail in their organizations and have BFLs, Toyotas and opens as individual trails.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I enjoyed watching the first MLF team tournament.
@kurtvogel9431
@kurtvogel9431 3 ай бұрын
Boaters could pay extra entry fee to fish alone...?
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I think so
@lemkodude3266
@lemkodude3266 3 ай бұрын
Cos catch fish found by the boater even w/o FFS... the boater pain point is the extra FFS investment which isn't the panacea they were "sold" on.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@Bassfinatic-hb4dp
@Bassfinatic-hb4dp 3 ай бұрын
Shared weight format should be explored IMO.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
US Open style
@warrenwhitaker8498
@warrenwhitaker8498 3 ай бұрын
I have fished both sides of the game. I started off as a co-angler and had a lot of good experiences, also had some bad boater experiences. I don’t think co’s are ruining anything I think there some boaters out there that are all about me me me. With all this said if the co anglers are eliminated then don’t be upset about increased entry fees and the like. I have learned tons about people being in the back of the boat. I does make you learn to figure out how to catch fish behind someone.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Warren. Appreciate the comment.
@larrydiveley7799
@larrydiveley7799 3 ай бұрын
If they got rid of coanglers in bfls they would have to raise entry on boater side to cover cost of cos but I fish on boater side don't mind having co actually clued me in on something by catching behind me when what I have been doing isn't working but is nice for people to get out when they can't afford to do boater side I can see both sides
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. The boater n co can sort of work together
@kathyg4906
@kathyg4906 3 ай бұрын
With off shore FFS fishing being more common I think coangler participation will continue to decline. Especially when boaters are targeting a fish or a couple fish out deeper. Shared weight might make that better. Boater gets their weight and coangler gets best 5 from both. Some recent coangler KZbin videos show issues with fishing chasing FFS and negative effects on cos ie catch no fish.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I think you're right about less co participation on certain lakes. Several folks have mentioned the combined weight format. That would be interesting.
@lynnmoss1183
@lynnmoss1183 3 ай бұрын
MLF is in a tough spot in the BFLs. They would need to raise boater fees by $110, to make up for not having co-anglers. A few years ago the BFL raised fees that amount and participation dropped dramatically. They lowered the entry fee back the following year. Some co-anglers travel with boaters, sharing expenses, that would be lost. No matter what they decide, someone will not be happy, Boaters will refuse to be paired with boaters. Boaters don't want shared weight. Majority of boaters don't want LS banned. Boaters don't want higher entry fees. Will boaters trust other boaters on an honor system with no co-anglers? Boat cameras won't cut it, and will be adding another expense. Maybe polygraph anglers, and what's that cost on site? IMO, the BFLs need co-anglers to police each other, so the co-anglers need more incentives to fish. Maybe raise boater fees $25. 90-100% payback all to the winning co-angler ($10,000 for 100 boats), with sponsor consolation prizes for the top 5 or 10. $1,000 bonus to the boater having the winning co-angler. IDK, BFLs are in a tough spot. It could be the end.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Interesting take. Appreciate it. I stopped fishing the BFL's for a few years (prior to MLF) because they kept raising entry fees.
@dalenorth2512
@dalenorth2512 3 ай бұрын
Boaters should be rewarded if their co-angler does well.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
👍
@lightningmusky5286
@lightningmusky5286 3 ай бұрын
I don’t see co anglers ruining anything. The boater should be able to just fish normally. Coanglers were never guaranteed anything. I don’t do tournaments but definitely wouldn’t want to share the boat with someone I don’t know. Team partner tourney is different experience as you pick your teammate.
@billyhaney5002
@billyhaney5002 3 ай бұрын
With ffs I thing the day of co anglers is coming to a end. You can’t compete with a boater fishing suspended fish in deep waters. A lot of co anglers have stop coming to tournaments . If co anglers are half the tournament income , there going to have to do something to keep co anglers coming back , or not have co anglers. Thanks for sharing Gabe .
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Lightening I agree. Just go fish and I'll figure out something from the back.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Bill. It's a changing climate.
@ChrisHenderson-by8lj
@ChrisHenderson-by8lj 3 ай бұрын
History since the internet shows just as many bad rides with a co boater, and vice versa co has complained about being cutoff. Co anglers was there to ensure no rules infractions are occurring, policing so to speak. BASS gives same opportunity cheaper. 99.00 to ride for a day as a marshal
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
I have only drawn a less than idea boater a few times. The internet is showing the drama side. Most of the time it's a good experience.
@danielt3425
@danielt3425 3 ай бұрын
Here's a point of view, How many fans out there are more interested in the sport because of CO's? I personally can say I know more about the BFL's just Since i've Started watching this channel.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Ya that's a good question. Never thought of it that way.
@ericwm1
@ericwm1 3 ай бұрын
I fished as a coangler for 25 years. And I say do away with coanglers replace them with GOPRO cameras. No place for anglers in the boat anymore
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@gooooooos1
@gooooooos1 3 ай бұрын
For the organization its about money. Its how they $$$ comps from the location. Big difference between 100 and 200 on what $$ it brings to the location Economy
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
👍 I was thinking the more people MLF brings to town, whether it's boater or non boater, the more money for the local economy.
@Juan_Mattos
@Juan_Mattos 3 ай бұрын
Fishing as a Co Angler has never been easy FFS or not… I fished tournaments since back in the day then the FLW was called the Red Man… Many times I out fished my boater without having any pre fishing practice and many other times I was literally blocked from even making a proper cast. If you ask me today, I wont ever do it again from the back of the boat.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
It's challenging. Glad you got to experience the beginning of the league.
@Juan_Mattos
@Juan_Mattos 3 ай бұрын
From the very beginning and all the way up until 2010; good memories where the highs are very high and the low ones very low; the Florida league is Brutally humbling!!! I honestly miss the tournament trail, but I enjoy more being at the front now.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
@@Juan_MattosTight lines buddy
@JimGLopez67
@JimGLopez67 3 ай бұрын
I’ve been reading a lot about the comments on the BFL link fb page , seems like a lot of rude boaters. The Co pay a lot of money too. I’m always accommodating to my Co’s BUT I have gotten a few rude Co anglers as well. So it’s 50/50 . How does BFL fix it .
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 2 ай бұрын
I think it's all about having a positive mind set and trying to enjoy the day regardless of the outcome.
@DennisDuffy-n8g
@DennisDuffy-n8g 3 ай бұрын
Most of us started as co anglers
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
👍
@134rwa
@134rwa 3 ай бұрын
Oh boy, when it comes to FFS, the Devil is in the details. Waterboy's Mom would say "Forward Facing Sonar is the Devil", Lol. The thinking about fishing really changes when it becomes a money winning competition, which is understandable, but I don't think eliminating co-anglers is an answer, especially when FFS is the real issue. The Boater and Co-angler do become somewhat of a team, even though it's not the Boater's job to put the Co-angler on fish, but they both can learn from each other is some situations. When things become political, the soul is lost, let's find a way to "Make Fishing Great Again"!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Always love your insight RWA!!!!
@tonygreen4356
@tonygreen4356 3 ай бұрын
Bad mouthing something after you have signed up knowing the rules is really kind of BS.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Good point Tony
@alexrobertsfishing
@alexrobertsfishing 3 ай бұрын
As a Co, your mindset determines your day. If you have the attitude that your boater should put you on fish and he doesn’t, it’s YOUR fault for setting your expectations that way. The only thing you can control as a Co is your actions and how you adapt to the day. I hope they don’t get rid of Co-Anglers because right now, it’s the only way I can compete because of financial/lifestyle reasons. Agree with pretty much all of your points here and you said some things people need to hear!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Nailed it.
@raymondbradford4086
@raymondbradford4086 3 ай бұрын
We as a fan of bass fishing get a one way view of things alot of times from the pros telling the narrative about whatever topic.. Truth... older co angler programs were done away with because pros would draw a co angler knowledgeable about the body of water and would "help" the pro get a better finish then they would have by themselves... that happened way more often than a co angler hurting a pro some way... also the boater knows beforehand that the tournament he is paying into is a co angler event.. so why be upset.. you knew you was being paired up from the jump... co anglers need to stay in these tournaments if for nothing else than to minimize cheating ... good experience and generally a good time overall...
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Great comment. Thanks
@silv3r100
@silv3r100 3 ай бұрын
With the advent of ffs, co anglers will not pay to fish and be front ended for the money they pay regardless of the amount
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
There are a lot of co's that have left because of that.
@silv3r100
@silv3r100 3 ай бұрын
Fishing industry as a whole has impacted all who live the sport
@ChrisHenderson-by8lj
@ChrisHenderson-by8lj 3 ай бұрын
Fishing is Gambling, it may require long hours, but you don't have a boss or punch clocks, schedule vacations, so it's pay to play. Co anglers are marshals short and simple. When BASS pros spoke up, they replaced with Marshall's. To be a BASS Marshall, it costs 99.oo. rider still paying to police the angler. Classic Marshall pays 500.oo to ride per day. BASS still getting paid by the marshals. If you want to learn from that pro you drew as co boater, I'd just watch instead of fishing out of yhe boat. My boat, my investment, why shouldn't the co boater pay the owner of the boat to fish. Not a fan of co anglers. It's the luck of the draw and that don't test the field. Some boaters are not fans of Co's. In short, you wanna pay to play, get your own ride.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate your honesty. It’s good to get feedback from a boater who doesn’t want a co in the boat.
@ChrisHenderson-by8lj
@ChrisHenderson-by8lj 3 ай бұрын
Angler has has how much invested on said tournament. Truck, boat package, etc, and the Co.? Funny, a guide gets 350.oo., good ones do. Agreed, not all PROs are :pros" but they don't get nothing for allowing a stranger on their deck.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
@@ChrisHenderson-by8lj Don't forget it's about the experience also Chris. I do agree that the boater has a much larger financial investment.
@keithoszmanjr4802
@keithoszmanjr4802 3 ай бұрын
I've been a boater and co angler and I think FFS is ruining tournaments more than anything.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
How do you feel about the new rules from the tournament organizations?
@jamesborders9841
@jamesborders9841 3 ай бұрын
LIVESCOPE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO PLACE IN PROFESIONAL FISHING!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Seems like it's heading that way.
@brandonelliott5345
@brandonelliott5345 3 ай бұрын
Not sure why anyone would want to fish as a co angler or have someone in the back of the boat.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
If you can't afford a boat, want to learn about a certain lake or don't have time to practice the co side is a great option.
@Abe_Sinclair
@Abe_Sinclair 3 ай бұрын
Bass fishing is ruining co angling.... It's the other way around
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Abe
@surfandstreamfisher5749
@surfandstreamfisher5749 3 ай бұрын
eliminate co-anglers, entry fees will go up or prize money will go down. FFS makes it harder on the co-angler. just one more reason it needs to be banned! but corporations run BASS & MLF so it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Can't argue with that.
@johnkommer2842
@johnkommer2842 3 ай бұрын
Why are boaters wantn rid of co anglers because the co showed him how ro fish😅
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Sometimes 😀
@rayman7712
@rayman7712 3 ай бұрын
Or (and just hear me out) ban forward facing sonar! Get back to skills fishing. Makes it fair for both anglers in the boat.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Never know. It could happen.
@jimmesser2025
@jimmesser2025 3 ай бұрын
Ffs is the coangler now
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Without a soul
@dgar1010
@dgar1010 3 ай бұрын
Ban it
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
How do you feel about the rule changes?
@billyhaney5002
@billyhaney5002 3 ай бұрын
I
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
👍
@jamesborders9841
@jamesborders9841 3 ай бұрын
FFS & LIVESCOPE SUCK!
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks
@ernestcoleman4672
@ernestcoleman4672 3 ай бұрын
Nope. The arrogant boaters ffs 🎉 and covid did. Mostly.ffs and boatets
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Thanks
@B_ROB_82
@B_ROB_82 3 ай бұрын
I see both sides as well, i think at this point it kind of is the co's ruining it, and maybe rightfully so with the tech advancing but its always been one of those known things as a co you are at the mercy of the boater. If you join expecting something other than adapting all day and embracing the challenge then you might be the problem. for bfls its what 110 plus lets say 60 for gas average maybe more its been a few years lol. money well spent to have a shot at a check and just fishing.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
Appreciate the feedback Rob
@edwinro77
@edwinro77 3 ай бұрын
end all pro bass fishing.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
LOL That would solve it all.
@variedterrainfishing
@variedterrainfishing 3 ай бұрын
Firstly, are you fishing Table Rock this weekend? Secondly, good points.
@TheTinHorseMonty
@TheTinHorseMonty 3 ай бұрын
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